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shaytani r rajim
Bismillah al Rahman al Rahim.
Ladies and gentlemen, brothers and sisters, I welcome you with the universal sanitation of Islam. Assalamu alaykum warahmatullahi wabarakatuhu.
The meaning of this for our non Muslim friends in the audience is May the peace, mercy and blessings of Allah God be upon you.
We at the IPC London branch are very honored indeed to have a scholar of the caliber of chef
in our midst today.
But we are also just as much honored to have a dedicated Muslim of the caliber of Dr. jacoba Zaki in our midst also. He will be the chairman for the meeting, and he has taken the trouble to come all the way from Scotland, and we appreciate that very much. I'll now hand over to the chairman to continue proceedings, Dr. Zaki.
Bismillah R Rahman r Rahim, salam, wa salam, ala saya, mousseline ashmit Mohammed Al Mustafa, Ali wasafi, a solemn Ahmad, brothers and sisters in Islam, distinguished guests in the name of the Islamic Propagation center, I bid you welcome to today's events. Before the main feature, which is a speech by asmodee that begins we shall have A reading from the Koran kilometer per one. Bye by Henri Mohamad farrokh.
basic division in the classification of religions is between ethnic and universal religions. There are only are three universal religions in the whole world,
Buddhism, Christianity and Islam, so you don't, in fact have very much choice. All of the other religions in the Bible, 1000s of them are ethnic religions, and Judaism is an ethnic religion. I do not think I would be doing the Jews any disservice if I said that Judaism does not claim to be a solution to the world's problems, but only a solution to the problems of the Jews. I shall therefore be very interested to see how the speaker deals with this subject, which of course is of great interest to us in that Judaism, like Islam and Christianity is also an Abrahamic faith.
I am confident that the speaker will do justice to his subject. Because ashmit data is a household name. He is one of the few Muslims to have mastered the discipline, and technique of comparative religion. I've long believed that the greatest weakness of the Muslims in their encounters, in their encounter with members of other faiths is their ignorance of the principles of comparative religion. This you can see anytime that you watch a debate between Muslims and Christians or between Muslims, Christians and Jews on television. Invariably, the Muslim speaker covers himself with ridicule, and in the process invites not a little discredit on Islam. This has to be attributed to the fact that
there is not a single department of comparative religion anywhere in the Muslim world. For this reason, it is all the more important that an individual like asmodee that should have devoted his life to the study of comparative religion. I shall therefore be most interested to hear what he has to say. And I have pleasure in introducing to you the speaker
after D that will speak for about 45 to 60 minutes, after which there will be an opportunity to ask questions, shake up my
shaytan al rajim
Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem
in Dena in the law Islam sadaqa law said the colonial regime.
Mr. Chairman, and brethren,
I read to you a very brief sentence from the Holy Quran
from Surah meaning chapter
you owe it to yourself Muslims as well as non Muslims to get hold
of a copy of the Holy Quran. I said Muslims, as well as non Muslims, the non Muslims they must know they owe it to themselves that since there are 1 billion Muslims in the world today, they ought to know how their minds are working.
Even as a missionary, you want to fight the Muslims and intellectual battle even then you need the book, to arm yourself as to what the other person
And believes and what he, his book of authority is. And for the Muslim,
it's also imperative that in this environment, English speaking environment that each and every Muslim here to arm himself with the English translation of the Holy Quran.
This particular one I have in my hand is by Abdullah Yusuf Ali.
This volume has about 2000 pages.
And in it, how will you find Iran?
There are 114 chapters, and this was only one of the 114 How will you find imraan? Can anybody tell me?
index? Yes, you see, this particular one here has a very comprehensive index at the back of it. What do you want to know, our carry the young man who decided to so beautifully he was reading from Surah
we will find the hell as a go to the index utility chapter 16 around verse 1200, and 2008 he was speaking about Abraham, the father of the Jews, the father of the Christians, and the father of the Muslims. I don't know why he chose that verse because there was no communication between me and the decider as to what he should read. But as if he was telling us Don't forget, Abraham. Abraham is the father of the Jews and the Christians and the Muslims is broken off. In the verses he recited that Abraham was an upright person going straight towards God and he was not of those who associate other beings with God.
And in the chapter again in the verses he read, the principles of religious preaching.
He says Budo illa cebelia, Rebecca bill Hekmati, say invite all to the ways of the Lord with wisdom.
Now his personality and with beautiful preaching was
awesome, and reasoned with them in the ways that are best and most gracious. Chapter 16 is number 135, our COVID it was instructing me as well as you that look, these are the principles of religious talk, discussion dialogue.
So in Surah, Al Imran Chapter Three,
I a number 19, verse 19, Allah subhanaw taala tells us, he tells the whole of humanity addressed to mankind in the, in the local Islam, most certainly, the religion, or the dean the way to God, acceptable to God Almighty is Islam.
Another place Allah says, one minute after the climate VLAN for legible I mean, who will ask
that if anyone chooses a religion other than the religion of Islam,
he has lost in the Hereafter, he has no place. So what about Judaism?
What about Christianity?
When we say that Islam is the only way
is a no such thing as Judaism? Is there is no such thing as Christianity. No, there are such systems. Then what does the Quran say? Allah does not accept anything but Islam.
Only Islam submission to God's will. That is what he wants. So now I have to satisfy the chairman.
And you my brothers and sisters.
How do I justify the statement of the Quran?
More Judaism, to Christianity, but Islam.
I'm telling you.
It's quite easy, very easy.
You see, the Judaism came before Christianity and before Islam, that is what the whole world will tell you.
Moses lived long before Jesus and long before the Holy Prophet Muhammad. Anybody will tell you that.
But I am asking
any Jew, you ask any Jew, what is your religion? And he will tell you his religion is Judaism.
So I asked him, you can ask the Jew
is this in your Torah?
In Arabic Say Torah.
The first five books of Moses, the Jew say is the Torah
Meaning the law of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy, the first five books of the Holy Bible? Is it invade your Torah? Like what you say the Quran is to ask the Torah is to the Jew? Is it in your Torah?
This word Judaism? He will tell you no.
Is it in your mithuna, your secondary source of information, your commentaries? He says, No. If he knows anything at all about his religion, he'll tell you know, the word Judaism is not in the Torah is not in the mithuna is nothing.
So you see, now he's he's got to say, it's not there. We visit it, is it? Show me where
he hasn't got it?
Where did the word come from?
Now we want to know, where did you get it?
So if he knows, he will explain to you that this term Judaism was created, concocted,
actually, by the non Jews.
See the non Jews in Palestine. They were looking down upon the Jews. And they said that the religion followed by the children of Judah in Judea is Judah is.
Moses didn't say that. David or Solomon, he didn't know though they'd never heard the term Judaism. Jesus never heard the word Judaism. This was a term invented by people from the outside disparagingly pointing to the Jews, that the children, the religion of the children of Judah in Judea is Judaism. And they liked the term and they adopted it.
It is not in the Torah, it is not in the mithuna is not in the Talmud. If there's any Jews here, who knows any better than that? I would like to hear from him or her.
Then what was the religion taught by Moses? We believe that the Holy Prophet Moses was a true messenger of God. God was directly in communication with him. And whatever he gave, in his time to his people was from God.
We accept that.
But what was his religion? Because he never heard the term Judaism.
If Moses was alive with us here today, or if on the other side, if he had the good fortune of meeting Moses, and shaking his hands, and if we asked him all Moses, what is your religion?
Since he didn't hear the term Judaism, he can't say Judaism.
I expect him to say
that my religion is a religion of total submission to God's will.
A beautiful definition for the teaching of God. My religion is a religion of total submission to God's will. And I'm responding I'm telling him, I will tell him that one word for that, in the Arabic language is Islam. Islam means exactly that, in one word, Islam is a religion of total submission to God's will. So what he was teaching was Islam. Maybe he himself didn't know the term Islam, but that is the definition he is giving of Islam.
So the teaching of Moses was Islam, not Judaism. Therefore Allah says, Only Islam is a religion which is acceptable in my sight. No such thing as Judaism or Christianity. Christianity come from
the word Christianity, where did it originate? Did Jesus gives his religion says my religious Christianity Did he say I am the Christ.
If you knew that Christ is a is a Greek translation of the Hebrew word Messiah, Messiah in Arabic, mercy means the anointed one.
priests and kings were anointed in consecration to the office that from now on, you are my high priest. From now on, you are a king.
So the Hebrew word for that is Messiah, one who is anointed, the Greek word for a disgrace toss.
But Christos has been too long. So the love of the US and left with Christ, it is the Greek translation of the Hebrew word Messiah. Jesus never heard the term he didn't hear the word Christ in his lifetime.
Believe me, he didn't hear the word Christianity in his lifetime. It was unheard is a later on creation.
And if we meet Jesus in a second coming,
and if he had the good fortune of asking him, Oh, Jesus, what is your religion?
is a Christianity we can ask him further. So Jesus tell us what church you belong to. Are you an Anglican? Or a Lutheran, Presbyterian? Or a Jehovah's Witness or a Seventh Day Adventist? What are you what what church you belong to? Ridiculous we agree. He said ridiculous thing.
What will he say? What is the name of your religion? Oh Jesus colors. And he will tell us that my religion is a religion of total submission to God's will. One word for that in the Arabic language is Islam. Islam means a religion of total submission to God's will. God says only Islam. Christianity is your creation. Where did the term come from? It is in the New Testament
that the enemies of the followers of Jesus disparagingly they pointed to them at Antioch. And for the first time, they use the term that these are Christians, meaning the worshipers of Christ and the Christians like the term so they adopted it. For me to get Christianity.
Christian Christianity was a term coined, invented by the enemies of the followers of Jesus, you like the term you take it? You say in my country,
people call other people names.
They call them names. Among the whites who are ruling the country.
The majority are English in Africa.
The African calls the English man, Rui neck.
reenact means rednecks.
What are they trying to say is that this guy's a softy, he's effeminate. When he goes in the sun for a little while he gets red in the neck, you know, as a soft guy.
That's what he means. When he says soft, you know, FMLA chair. We are the Buddhists.
You ask the Englishman the Englishman says he's a Buddha. Buddha means a farmer.
But now, if you ask African what he is, I'm a boomer means I'm a farmer. Nothing wrong with it. But when the Englishman calls in a Buddha he gets offended.
Because when he says Buddha is trying to imply that he is backward, rustic farmer, an educated barbarian, though he himself says I'm a Buddha, but in an English speaking person said he is poorer, meaning he is backward.
But they call each other names, they call the colored community hot not means hot and tots. They call my people coolies laborers. They call the Africans capitals.
But now if you like the term you adopt it,
new Indian goes around in South Africa, boosting local it goes around boosting me whatnot. No Buddha goes around boosting a Buddha in the sense of a backward, rustic, and no Englishman goes around boosting we are doing next. But if you like the term, the choice is yours. The Christian made the choice they liked what the enemies call them, and they accepted it. But the religion of Jesus according the definition, he will give us that my religion is a religion of total submission to God's will. One word for that in the Arabic language is Islam.
And he is a Muslim. The Quran describes Jesus as a Muslim, his disciples as Muslims. What does it mean that they followed Muhammad? No, they didn't hear the term Muhammad. Then What does Muslim mean? Muslim in one who has submitted his will to the will of God, anyone who submits his will to the will of God. The Quran says Abraham was a Muslim, Moses was a Muslim, David, Solomon and Jesus were Muslims. Mohammed was a Muslim, and anyone, everyone who submits his will, to the will of God is a Muslim. In the garden of getsemani. We see this submission by Jesus, which qualifies him to be called a Muslim but excellence. He goes to the Garden of Gethsemane, according to the New Testament,
and he tells his disciples, wait and watch, meaning keep God.
And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed to God said, Oh, my father, if it be possible, let this cup pass away from me, meaning remove the difficulty for me, but not as I will but as thou wilt.
The expression not but not as I will, what I want, but as our whatever you want me to be to do, whatever you want me to go through, oh my lord, I am prepared to submit. The word for that in Arabic is as Lama submitting, he is a Muslim who has submitted.
So Jesus was a Muslim. Moses was a Muslim. And if each and every one of us we are prepared to submit to the will and plan of God, you are all Muslims. There is no such thing.
Judaism, and there is no such thing as Christianity in the official books of the religion.
Therefore, I say that there are no Judah ism and no Christianity.
But in the teachings,
I say that, actually there is no difference in the fundamental principle of the teaching of Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, there is not an iota of difference, not one dot.
I said in the fundamentals of the teachings of Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, even as recorded today. In the Christian Bible, there is not an iota of difference.
can I prove it to you?
We want to know from the Jews.
What is the first commandment?
The most important thing in your faith, the first commandment, what is it? So he would tell you in the Hebrew language,
if he knows, I asked an elderly Jew,
as is now Do you know the Shama? We say the Shahada. They say the Shama. As you know, the Shama. He said, my wife moves it at home. So, I want to know whether
the Shema is the Shahada of the Jew is given out uttered by the Holy Prophet Moses, the Shema Yisrael Adonai, eloheinu, Adonai. Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.
Some 1300 years after Moses,
Jesus Christ is on the scene, he is trying to reclaim his people, bring them out of formulism ceremonial ism, into the truth of God
made them to accept the letter and the spirit, they are going for the letter of the law, they had forgotten the Spirit. And as a reformer, among the Jews, we believe as the Messiah, he had come to reclaim them, put them back onto the path.
But his preaching when he preached the Jews, they thought something otherwise, that this man has brought another religion.
Because the way he preached, he didn't preach like the other Jews. The other Jews always said, It is written.
Moses said this, it is read me as I said, this, it is written Malak. Jeremiah said this, everything it is written, written, written, and the quote,
Moses, Jesus doesn't speak like that. He says, it has been said, by them of all time, Thou shall not commit adultery, But I say unto you, on a different level, sounds different. I am telling you, you heard that you must not commit adultery, But I say unto you, Whosoever looketh upon the woman to lust after her, hath committed adultery with her already in his heart, in speaking with authority, not what's written, what is written is there. But now I'm telling you this, you listen to me. Again, he says, it has been set by them of all time, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. But I say unto you,
this is not evil. He who strikes you in the right cheek in the other, it has been said by them of all time that whosoever puts away his wife, let him give her a bill of divorcement. But I say to you,
that whosoever puts on his wife, say for the cause of fornication, causes her to commit adultery, and whosoever marry said that he was committed adultery.
You will notice that I sent to you, but I say unto you, but I say unto you, That created the wrong impression
in the hearts and minds of the Jews, that this man has brought a new religion.
So they come to him, Gospel of St. Mark, chapter 12, verse 29, they come to him, and this is master.
In the Hebrew language rabbi, they were sarcastic,
but they should respect out early is a master rabbi.
What commandment is the first of all?
In Jesus answers, 10 says unto him, the first is in the Hebrew language, he said, Shama is raw Adonai eloheinu Adonai.
to Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one he repeated word for word, what was given by Moses 1300 years before without the change of a dot?
Meaning that in the fundamentals of faith, no change.
If 3d was what Trinity was, what he had come to teach, that was the occasion for him to clarify himself that
you have been hearing about Shama
Now I'm telling you that before there are three that be recording heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one that was the occasion. But he didn't say any such thing. In other words, in the fundamentals of faith, no change, save.
Some 600 years later,
a Christian deputation comes to the Holy Prophet Muhammad from an area called Magellan. And they were housed in the mosque of the Prophet for three days and three nights, they act there, they slept there, and for three days and three nights, they had a dialogue in the masjid, and in the mosque of the Prophet. During the course of the discussion, the spokesman for the Christian poses the question among so many other things. So right now tell us all Muhammad,
what is your concept of God?
And he doesn't fumble, he doesn't say when you see is like this, and like that, and like that, he so to say, presses his spiritual buttons. There were no buttons to press. I said, so to say, I hope you people, my brothers and sisters from India and Pakistan, they understand my English
it's very difficult for me to say things and then now you go along and say Mohammed was pressing his buttons, you know, to get his answers.
I said, so to say can you make a bat? You can make a bath you can say hey,
so to say he presses the spiritual buttons, asking, oh my lord, what shall I say? nobody heard him say that. But so to say,
trying to contact the source of all knowledge. The head computer, as the Quran describes Ramadan Philo, Hema fools, that this is the Glorious Quran from a tablet preserved.
Anyone who has a connection with that any prophet of God would have access to that type of knowledge.
Like the N terminal of the computer system.
You press the button and you get the information, your flights, timing there is that reservation everything is on. So what should I say comes the answer
from the head computer, Philo ham Mahfouz from the preserve tablet, setting through his mouth using him as a mouthpiece. So
say he's got the one and only Allah summit, God eternal absolute.
He does not get in, it's not gotten well.
And there's nothing like
a touchstone of theology. info versus there isn't a theology on Earth, which these four verses do not come with any idea of your concept of God, either within these four verses we accept or we reject.
This is the touchstone of theology. For verses he added them, is it say he's got the one and only is the Christians at the presence of mind, we could have asked him is What do you mean, say, We want you to tell us and you saying say, Why do you say say,
if I posed the question to you, you know, arithmetic. And if you knew the 12 timetable, I'm asking what is 12 times 12?
months? Anybody know? 12 times 12? What is it?
Six times six, right? You don't say say 144? You don't say say 36?
If you said? What do you say? Say? I'm asking you? What is six times six? So you say 36? What is four times 12? Is 144. You don't say? If you asked? If they had asked? Why do you say say?
I am asking you why you say say he's allowed one and only is this? No, I'm told to see that. As it is only being used as a speaker in the radio, from the head computer is being transmitted through him. The
message comes say he is a law the one and only a law the eternal absolute, he does not be getting is not recording and there's nothing like unto him and back to normal speech. Firstly, on a certain level, normal communication, then all of a sudden, he goes into another level, which is not his
alto summit lamda.
And back to normal. So you see this is our concept of God, my brothers understand
So, first words to
say he's the one and only those who said, Here, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Jesus said, Here, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one Muhammad is made to say, Paul, who will say he is the one and only. What is the difference?
It's the same message, meaning the same thing.
So in the fundamentals of the teachings of Moses, Jesus and Muhammad is not an iota of difference.
What was Moses teaching Islam? What was Jesus teaching Islam? What is the moment teaching Islam submission to the will of God.
But today, we have some variations, we want to know now, solutions to our problems. God Almighty was guiding the students through Moses.
They had been liberated from bondage in the Sinai Peninsula.
They were marching from one voices to another. And they were supposed to do that for 40 years. 40 years on and on and on and on and on. Till the older generation, the people who had worshipped the golden calf would perish in New Generation would go into Palestine.
That was the philosophy behind marching for 40 years in the desert.
The Jews the children of Israel, they needed a law a law that would give them quick justice. And if for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, beautiful law.
In the desert is a beautiful law we added to and the adult Ross's stone them to death.
Anybody picking firewood, doing any work on the Sabbath today almost substitute Saturday.
stone will do that.
That's the only language that would understand.
rebellious people as Moses describes them, this is behold a stiff neck people. This is Moses, the Prophet saying a stiff neck means African people says he had been rebellious against the law since the day I knew. This is your tradition from the very beginning. Since I know you're like that.
For such a people, you need a law, heart law. Stern law
is a beautiful law. The law is made for your needs. So eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.
You were trying to chase the birds from the field.
That old fashioned sling of yours the one that David use,
and the stone which you let go when Debbie somebody.
So this other gene will go to the judge and says Look, this fella here, he damaged my eye.
The law says An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.
I want to have his eyes damaged. He broke my tooth brush his teeth. This was the law nothing wrong with it. For the type of people in the desert, you need to know that give you a quick justice, no time to waste. No lengthy litigations new prisons that you can put the guy in quick justice, get rid of the guy and the social character and move on. There's work to be done. This guy has an adult right committed adultery.
You know, the Jewish law and now the guy a limited number of wives.
Why did you interview somebody else's wife or daughter you deserve to that?
Is new prisons in the desert, leaving the guy in the desert to to die of hunger and thirst was more cruel than getting rid of him by stoning him. Get rid of him and he becomes an object lesson for others. See what happens? You do the same, the same way. This is the philosophy of the law, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, beautiful law.
But laws have a tendency to change characters of people who repeated of time any law every law.
I come from a color conscious country, South Africa everything is based on color.
The South African government in the apartheid policy they created us into blacks. coloreds
blacks, colored Indians and whites.
And that part for 300 years, almost white men, colored men, Indian men and African men
when they divided the black further first is white and black. Everyone who is a European is white. Everyone who is not a European is black.
No matter how white you look where you come from.
Lebanon, if you're Muslim, you're black.
If you come from Lebanon, you're a Christian, you're white.
If you come from Syria, no matter how wide you look wider than many English people, some citizens. You come from Syria. You're a Christian, you're white. If you are a Muslim, you're black. You come from Cyprus.
You're a Greek, you're white, no matter how dark
the turkey with blond hair and blue eyes is blank.
This is the last laugh you're gonna have because that system is now officially abolished in the country but I'm just giving you history now. This is up to yesterday, this also.
Now once you have such a law, your mind is working on basis of color. I have had hundreds of whites, Jews and Christians come into my home
and I enjoy feeding people our hospitality, our food, our pajamas as they wrap it up. The white man the white woman, they eat like mad. I said in English terminology.
And when they park they thanked me profusely why people are good day Thank you profusely you know, we enjoyed everything the chat as well as the food
but subsequently when they meet me in the street there's a Good morning Mr. day there's a good morning. How's the wife has a she's very fine. How the family is very good. But no white man has invited me to his house for a cup of tea yet.
Some asking the guys so don't you people know anything such a thing as that reciprocation?
You uncultured barbaric people you don't
know you know, you know reciprocation. Then how is it that you eat my food, you enjoy my food, but you don't call me for a cup of tea at your house? Why? I know the reason why that color consciousness, if he invites me and my family and I go to the elite, we are all separated into races, the white man living area, the Indian in his area, the colored in his area and the African reserves.
So if he invites me and I go with my family with our you know our type of dressing Pakistani, or Hindus and Muslims that way we dress long pants for the ladies and nice downy covering the body and all that long dress.
And I go knock at the door. I find number 10 Downing Street there. And I go and knock at the door. And the gentleman or the lady of the house, or she opens the door and record Oh, Mr. D dad come in, come in, come in.
And we get into the house. People were watching. The other ones are watching somebody watering the garden. somebody's doing some coding in the garden. They're watching surveys the school you going with this family? What is this guy doing around here?
And look at Mrs. Smith, the way she smiles.
You know what's going on? And we go inside, maybe a cup of tea and something a little more than a cup of tea and biscuits and things like that. And a half an hour goes and our goals and things begin to wag they want to know what's going on what is Mrs. Smith doing with the school family. And if any relations of Mrs. Smith or Mr. Smith comes into the house, this Mr. Smith must go must go out of his way to explain our presence there.
It won't be like when English people. This is Mrs. Mr. Brown and Mrs. Brown. He may say look, this is Mr. deedat. And you know, we went to his house and you know his hospitality. He fed us with wonderful fruit. And he must now actually he's apologizing for my presence, my family's presence that he knows that at the back of the mind that color is coming in. So he eats my food but he never gives me a cup of tea. Not that he doesn't know. reciprocation, sociability, he knows all that. But that's only between white and white, not between brown and white difference. So laws have a tendency to change the characters of people like Germany
and land of veto and a very cultured nation, a Christian nation, they incinerated 6 million Jews. Some say it's a fit. I said even 600 is bad enough. on racial grounds. You want to kill people because they are Jews, or they are Indians or whatever.
If they commit murder, you can hang him, okay? The gas chamber, okay. He's a rapist top of his head. I said okay, with a Jew, or Christian or Muslim or anybody. But you kill a man because he's a Jew. He didn't choose himself to be a Jew. He was born into the world, a Jew in the home of a Jew.
He had no voluntary choices and look, I'll go and be born in the home of a Jew. He didn't decide that is just a matter of accident that he happens to be a Jew and you kill him for that 606 and for you on the basis of race, but they say 6 million is less except 6 million.
You start wondering how can such a cultured nation as the Germans the land of griefing before we do such a horrible
do such a horrible crime.
That's a very easy, easier program that we
repeat these Jews, these are parasites, they are Christ killers, the kingdom of God. And it has been happening for 1000 years, in Europe, in Russia, in Poland, in France, in Britain, every Easter The Christian goes on the rampage is that these are Christ killers, they kill a god. So they kill their means they rape their women and Bumble homes, and they fled. Where do they go to, to Arab lands? And what does that say?
That says that's his nature. That's his culture, meaning family and play. Just saying that you are a member of the family and be at ease, make yourself feel at home. 1000 years, this has been going on?
No problem. There was no problem between the Jew and the Muslim, no problem
is a different subject. But I must end with the sentence that the first time any trouble took place. A real trouble between the Jew and the Arab was when the Arabs heard that the British government thinks with favor of the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. So what is this now this is my country for the first time, the Arab realizes that this is my country, and this man here, you know, he wants to give my country to somebody else. So he starts protesting, but he is not organized. He is not educated. So he makes a bad job of it. And he lost it.
But between the Jew and the Muslim, no problem.
In Spain, the Muslims ruled Spain for 800 years, the golden age of the Jew, ask any Jew, your golden age, the highest that you reached in civilization and culture. When they say under the Muslims in Spain, the golden age of the Muslim was the golden age of the Jews.
When we were kicked out, they were kicked out.
When the Muslims were kicked out of Spain, the Inquisition. The Jews were kicked out and they came to Britain, they went to France and other places. But our suffering was the suffering our honor and dignity was the honor and dignity that is how we live religiously, there was no problem no Jew advocate the Muslim saying kill him because as a Muslim, Muslim advocate a Jew because as a Jew, individually, things could have happened. Brothers mutual brothers, Cain killed Abel.
It happens all the time. But as a race rise against the Jews persecution of the Jews never.
Problems starts with 1918 the Balfour Declaration. However, we want a solution today.
I am saying in all humility, that the only system being the way of life that can bring these three warring factions, though we are not at all with a sword in the dome with the Christians, but there is a battle on Battle Royale for the hearts and souls of mankind. The Christians are making tremendous efforts to convert the Muslim world. There are at the present moment that the 5000 Crusaders raising the dust in Africa. There are 6000 crusades in Indonesia.
So far, they have converted 15 million Indonesians into Christianity. And by the turn of the century, they will make this Indonesia a Christian nation. They have converted more Pakistanis into Christianity since independence. 100 years of British rule, they have converted more Bangladeshis into Christianity since independence since 1947, than in the previous 100 years of British rule. They are going all out.
colonialism is gone. politically. They can't rule the people anymore. But now in the guise of religion, they making a comeback, that war is all intellectual battle is on.
But what have you to offer a solution to the problems of mankind?
Jesus Christ, in the Gospel of St. JOHN, he says,
I have yet many things to say unto you,
but he cannot bear them now.
I have solution to the problems of mankind to do anything to the end of the world. I can give you those guidance, how to solve your problems, any problem every problem, but you are incapable of receiving that. He cannot pay them now how beat when he The Spirit of Truth is come He will guide you into all truth. For he shall not speak from himself. But what shall hear that shall he speak and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come. He shall glorified me.
He's telling you honestly, I can give you solutions but you are like little children.
You can grasp, you don't understand what I'm telling you, whatever I'm telling you everything you misunderstand everything
is a false statement. But
of that statement is writ large in the Holy Bible, again and again, we read Jesus reprimanding his disciples. He's saying, ye of little faith, you've got no faith.
You have little faith, ye of little faith, how many times? How many times I tell him again.
And he explains to them, as it is explained a little.
And they can't seem to grasp the message. So he says, even yet without understanding, even yet,
and when he's probed further, he says, or faithless and perverse generation, plus his disciples, not the generality of Jews, he called them other names, your generation of wipers, your white at circus, you hypocrites, You wicked, an adulterous generation.
But he's not telling his disciples, so faithless and perverse generation, How long shall I be with you? How long shall I be with you? I am saying that if Jesus was a Japanese, instead of a Jew, he would have committed that honorable harakiri suicide. But as a Jew, he can afford to do that he loves life, like we all love life.
So he says, How beat when he The Spirit of Truth is come, He will guide you into all truth, for he shall not now if I quote this, you see if you ask any Christian missionary, who is the Spirit of Truth is is the Holy Ghost?
He will tell you is the Holy Ghost.
You get the Holy Ghost. Is your church, is it? Yes. every church and denomination in Christian can claim the gift of the Holy Ghost. The Holy Spirit, correct? Yes, the Jehovah's Witness.
The Anglican has got it the Lutheran got it. The Roman got everyone 1006 in denomination among the whites of South Africa in my country, they got it and 3000 among the blacks, sets in denominations. They got it what the Holy Ghost
asking what the Holy Ghost tell you in 2000 years. Jesus already didn't give it to you in so many different words Give me one. Only one new thing a new thing. Jesus I have yet many as in English, many means more than one.
He will guide into all truth that's all in English means more than one. I don't know that on one hand for 40 years I'm asking learned men of Christianity gave me one new thing that the Holy Ghost gave you in 2000 years to any church. Any church. Bring it I want to hear.
There isn't. I said we have problems. We have problems. The biggest problem is race. In the world race, race, racism. We are all races. As at all We are all races.
Nobody is exempt from just demolitions, this sickness of racism. No matter how much we boast.
We Muslims might say that we are the least racist. But you can't say we are pure from the sickness nobody is. The juiciest said we are the children of Abraham. We are the children of David.
The rest of the world. We are the children of Israel. The rest of the world was going what is going ask him Gentile. What is Gentile, unclean, filthy, dirty and circumcised people? Are you big eaters.
This is the rest of the world.
you know the Arab said?
He says we are the Arabs. You know what it means? We are an eloquent people.
You see in my language Arab says I can give you 100 synonym for Assad. I can give you 100 synonym for a house. In your language. How many can you give? Maybe half a dozen.
Half a dozen for a house. Half and half a dozen for Assad said you see compared to me you have
a job as a musician. We are the Arabs, the eloquent people and the rest of the world is like animals. That's
And my people in India we say we are the Aryans. We are the master race and the rest of the India, untouchables
as the British to do something about themselves as against it as the Germans. They tell you something, as I can say that this is men, any men, every man segments that we
know how to eliminate the sickness. This is very easy for anybody to talk about the fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of men very easy. There is but only one Father, our Creator Lord and cherishes God. Amen.
And we are always children. That talk, talk, talk. How do you implement it?
system you require system.
Talking is easy preaching is easy. How do we implement that brother?
Judaism hasn't got it.
Christianity hasn't got it.
Jesus Christ Himself, He discriminated in his own time. He says, I am not sent, but under the Lordship of the house of Israel have only come for the Jews. He's telling his disciples go up not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans into a knot, but rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. That's what he did himself in his lifetime. He never preached to a single non Jew in his lifetime. A Greek woman, she had a problem, his daughter was suffering some incurable sickness. So she brings her daughter to him, said Master, heal my daughter. So he turns his face away. She goes on the other side. So Master, please, drowning men pledges at straws,
drowning women do the same. My daughter's life is at stake, please help.
So the disabled say, look, this woman, she won't let us let us go. She will better our life out of her daughter. So he says, Do not throw the bread of the children to the dogs. These Greeks are dogs. My children are the Jews.
My what I brought the spiritual blessing is not talking about bread.
He's talking about spiritual blessings. Goodness is that is for my children, the Jews. The rest of them, the Greeks and the Romans and all our dogs.
not throw that which is wholly into dogs. Do not throw pearls before swine. I'm asking who are the dogs and water signs.
That's his teaching. Now, man, you say now we open our churches to all races now, after 300 years in South Africa for the first time. We open our churches to all people.
After 300 years, for 300 years, you can have a black bishop. You had to rule every Christian in Indonesia, in India, wherever the white man was rule. You held the reins
because you were racist.
Now, Jesus had given it to
my children and the dogs are separate things in his lifetime. Now this woman, she's a drowning person, her daughter's life is at stake. So she says Master, even the dogs have crumbs from the Masters table that was too much for him. So he said give her the crumbs. And the daughter was healed. The crumbs of the blessings. His food his bread was for his own children, the Jews.
But as a system, even whatever you claim, you require a system to change the hearts and minds of people.
The Muslim is the only guy who has the system
five times a day. In the corner goes on top of the monotony shouts in a loud sonorous voice, Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar. Allah is the Greatest allies the greatest he repeated four times. Sasha ilaha illAllah said I be witness that there is no other object to worship but Allah God Almighty is only one who deserves to be worshipped. He repeated twice as a shadow. Muhammad Rasulullah be a witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah he's not God is not his son. Don't make a mistake like the others have done. They made the prophets into Gods they made the heroes into God, don't you do that? The Muslim is one and Alhamdulillah this sickness hasn't got as yet are worshipping Muhammad as a
God that is
repeated twice. Mohammed Al sola,
accept these two fundamentals that there is one God and Muhammad is the messenger What is the message? He continues? He Allah Salah is this come to prayer, hi Allah. So Allah, this has come to prayer. Allah has come to success, because this is real success, that you remind yourselves about your duties and obligations was your Creator, and your duties and obligation for your fellow human beings. If you want to be successful, there is no other way. anyone's of the call by saying, Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar, Allah is still the greatest ally, still the greatest whether you come or you don't come, you are not going to lower him in his exhortation in His Majesty in his glory, he will
ever remain Supreme. And the final words of warning, Muslim give the column k La Ilaha Illa law, that there is no other object of worship but Allah, you can carry on worshiping your men, God's women got your money, gods, but remember this, that the only one who deserve to be worshipped is Allah and the Muslim hearken to the core
of Mohammed. He said, that when you stand up for prayer,
You must not leave gaps for the devil to get in between you and your brother.
This devil that Mohammed Salah was talking about was not the guy we see in our art galleries in my country in Durban, this in the art gallery, there is a huge painting by some great artists. You see in that painting, a beautiful woman with wings, well proportioned. And she's got a wand in her hand, and she's directing the devil to go to hell. And in the picture, you can see the devil flying off, ready, complex and red, red red, with horns and sharp ears and a tail with a barber look.
And you see the Hellfire in the distance in the picture, you can see all that
was him talking about that? And they were like that where they look, as if you see when you run for dear life to life.
You stand there and reason with him. You listen to him.
devil comes in a beautiful form, follow me makes things appealing to you. So you get caught. He comes in that form.
wasn't talking about that.
He was talking about you yourself. He was talking about you. Your racial pride, your arrogance, your riches. I am White is black and bridge is poor. That devil must not be allowed to come in between you and your brother. no gaps left.
This is what my five times a day we get together and we finish off our prayer. Go and watch them at noon the most. Sometimes prayer time, ask the Muslim friends if you know see how you people pray and you watch when they finish off. This As salam aleikum wa rahmatullah. So Peace and blessings to everybody to the right of me As salam aleikum wa rahmatullah. So Peace and blessings of God, everybody to the left of me, when I did this as an African day. When I did that, I said Chinese here. When I did it again, next time, I see a white man there. Next time I see a color guide a scheme to the side.
So in my heart in mind, this is my brother, this is my brother, this is my brother. This is my brother system system of eliminating racism, yeah, still raises.
The sickness is there, it hasn't left us. But the system makes you the least racist. I'm still ashamed to say that we are not free from the sickness. Whether you're a Pakistani, or you're a Bangladeshi, or you're a Punjabi, or you're a turkey, or you're an Arab, I say we are all sick. The system is there to eliminate this feelings of racism out of you. Then on a Friday, bigger gathering, then once in a lifetime, you go for pilgrimage, and they you see this is Chinese Muslims. And the guy from Ethiopia is black as coal, my brother and the guy from Turkey with blond hair and blue eyes, my brother, I didn't imagine all this teeny almost look like me. No, I see utopianism Muslim
in the madrasa is a Muslim and a
Muslim, my brother, my brother, my brother, a system of bringing people together and working out this poison of racism.
Alcohol, the only system on earth. He says, Don't touch that abomination is Islam.
Allah says in the Quran, Allah cinnamon was so you believe in most certainly intoxicants while gambling well and Sabu and fortune telling well as long when idol worship, Allah shaytan are an abomination of Satan's handiwork such stunning
abomination that you may prosper for evils, one stroke, slash them all?
I mean, time flies so fast in London.
Mr. Chairman, and my dear brothers and sisters, I would rather leave this meeting open for questions. Maybe you have something you want to ask me. But otherwise, I can keep you here to midnight. I won't be deriving any pleasure out of that. Nor will you. I now leave this meeting as the chairman dictates or explain to you how the system of questioning will work whilst with Darwin and his family life.
Now, I see again, we have a full house here, several 1000 people, and 1000 people and variably produce no less than 1 million questions. So to control the anticipated avalanche, I'm going to call on Mr. Ibrahim Rocha, who will explain to you the format of the
Question and Answer session. Mr. Locher.
smilla rahmanir rahim In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent the merciful. Assalamu aleikum wa rahmatullah wa barakato.
Before I go on to the format of the session on the questions on behalf of the sama, deedat, and myself, I would like you to know that we are simply overwhelmed with the marvelous hospitality and the warmth and the friendship that you people have extended to us during our stay in London. And tonight, looking over this hall at this marvelous crowd,
the familiar faces, some were followed us through different lectures. I see people like the mom, sister Tia and some people out there, even if I can see you, I can feel you and I know you are they. And believe me when we go back to South Africa, we will take your good wishes and warm feelings with us. And we want to thank you for that. We also want to thank the IPC London, IPC I, Birmingham, and really everybody who has assisted us and will continue to assist us. Firstly, there are a few simple rules to observe. All questions must be confined to the subject of the lecture that you have just heard. I think that's fair, you will agree that the questions that you would like to put to the
speaker should be confined to the lecture that you've just heard.
Secondly, in the interest of giving everybody an opportunity, we will allow one question for questioner.
Thirdly, please keep your questions concise and brief. And I'm aware that some of us will try and make a statement in the guise of a question.
While I say these Watch out or disqualify that we don't want to debate if you would like to have a debate, I am sure the acting counsel will be happy to hire out this whole for you, to you. And we will come in here you have a debate or make your statement. Please confine it to a question not a statement.
Also, remember, you will not always get the answer that you think you desire, or you would like to hear
because it only needs two people to have a variance of opinions, you are entitled to your opinion. So his brother did that to his opinions. Also note it will be impossible to answer every single question due to the number of people attending so at a certain point we will cut off, please accept my apologies, if you didn't make it with your question. Lastly, all questions will be put through to me.
upon which I will repeat the question so that everybody up there hears what the question is, and the speaker will take the question. Okay. That's it. Thank you for your patience to the questions. I also asked you to bear with us why you will get a reply to asking you to wait.
So please bear with us. We'll start off with the first question. Please.
clarify the point that not single word of the Bible was written.
The time of Jesus Christ during his lifetime
I mean, took about 1000 year run it took about 40 otters.
It's not it's not only it's not the gospel of
Is your question is,
is the Bible is the Bible of Jesus? Yes.
He gentlemen once a point jellified
is that the Bible was not written at the time of Jesus, he would like to clarify that point.
This is a commonly accepted fact that in the lifetime of Jesus, not
there was no such thing as the Gospel of Matthew, Luke, or john or Paul, nothing at all. Nobody ever paid anything.
The oldest manuscripts the Christian will has. They go to some three centuries after Jesus weeping for three centuries. But they say historically, they can say some of them were written some 80 years after Jesus, some of them 100 years after Jesus, but the manuscript
They have in the hands is 306 100 years old. See the author as King James Version of the Bible and the new version based on
the ancient manuscripts. That is 600 years after Jesus. They do a version and the King James Version based on manuscripts from 600 years after. Now they are able to have access to older manuscripts. The Revised Standard Version is now based on the most ancient, which is about 300 years or in the life time of Jesus, not a single word was written, nor did he write it. Did anybody write a word? Thank you.
Next question, please.
was the coming of Muhammad prophesized in the Bible by Jesus during the time of Jesus?
The question is about the Gospel of St. Barnabas is a Gospel of St. Martin's the manuscripts are in the Vienna museum. It was translated in 19 107 by Lonsdale and Laura Bay, in Britain, the Gospel of St. Barnabas. Now in that gospel, the Holy Prophet Muhammad is mentioned by name.
And everything that the Muslim believes seems to be confirmed in the Gospel of Barnabas. But now, if we produce that as a proof of our claim, that Jesus didn't mention the coming of our Prophet by name, the Christian world don't know anything about the Gospel of Barnabas, they will tell you that this is a fabrication.
Now, you will be forced to start proving the Gospel of Barnabas to the Christian at the end of an hour. And I was exercise the Christian consistent but I don't know Barnabas,
but you do is a wasted exercise. You see if you can shoot Allah tala wants you to follow a certain system in the Holy Quran, because you walk through and they say, linear agenda.
the Jews and Christians, they say to the Muslims, that you Muslims will never never enter Heaven, there is no salvation for you, unless you become a Jew, or unless you become a Christian. In answer to that, Allah says, they will come on you that this is the wishful thinking, vain desires hallucination. Tell them how to
produce your proof.
Again, if you are speaking, let us have a look at your certificate, your diploma that entitles you to heaven investments as to help let us have a look. That is the principle and they have produced it the Bible. That's the proof.
So now, if you can prove your case, as I was trying to do to you that Jesus mentioned the coming of our Levy, in his words I gave you
and we can analyze that prophecy. Further. There are books will be available on the subject, Muhammad, the natural successor to Christ. But this is the way show him in the book that he's holding in his hand.
is a Barnabas I don't know bonobos, I haven't seen bonobos, you said I'll produce this. I don't know, I don't want to know bonobos show me Matthew, Mark, Luke, john, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus numbers. So you speak to him on that basis, there is a better chance for you to prove your case to him, then to talk about bonobos. So my suggestion is for your own entertainment very good. bonobos is very good. But don't waste your time in trying to convince the Christians with bananas. Okay.
The question is that Mr. deedat, has made a lot of references to the Bible. The brother says when he quotes the Bible, the brothers do not accept that those quotations.
You see, what I'm quoting you now are words for example, if you have a red letter Bible,
I think you know, I think you're a Christian and
You know, what is it?
The Christians have what is called a red letter, Bible related Bible. Everything that Jesus spoke is in red. In the gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and john and throughout the 27 books, everything that Jesus spoke is in red. So this is right if this is what you say he spoke, I'm quoting Jesus. But there are other things besides, they do not hold the same value in our sight,
in the sight of the Muslim, so now the arguments and debates, we are now arguing on interpretations, which we have said,
let us reason. But now what do we think of the Bible? What do we believe about the Bible? There is a book available in the fire.
Baby is the Bible God's will? In a nutshell, I will tell you there, there are three types of evidences in the Bible,
which any sensible man can see, in the Bible, you will find the word of
God. For example, if I quote you from the book of Deuteronomy, chapter 18, verse 18, God says, I will raise up a prophet from among the brethren like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall commanded you ask any Jew, who is this is God, ask any Christian who is this art is as good as it also appears to me that God is talking.
Versus I am God and there is none else. I am God and this man like me to ask any Jew who's talking, he says, Go ask any Christian who's talking, he says,
and I haven't hesitation and accepting that this is God's will. That's one type of evidence you will find in the Bible, where we have no hesitation accepting it. Then there is another type of evidence which I quoted You, Jesus says, But I say unto you, but I say unto you, who is this I, Jesus?
Then there's another type of evidence.
In the New Testament, while he, Jesus was being forced into the way he saw a fig tree in the distance with leaves, happily, she came up with wanting to find fix, there are but when he came, there was nothing but leaves, whose words are they not God, not Jesus. But an eyewitness or a witness, or somebody speaking.
In the house of Islam, we also have similar evidences in our religion, we have the Quran, the Word of God.
Then we have the books of Hadith traditions, sayings of the Prophet.
Then we have the writings of of philosophers,
and so on, and so on, again, not at the same level as the word of the Prophet, then we have also Arabian Nights.
This, you know, where they belong.
Among the others, this book around the campfire is a few pornographic stories. So there are different different types of evidence. But we are the most fortunate of all religious groups, that our stories are all in separate compartments. And we do not equate the words of the Prophet with the Word of God. And we don't equate those wise men with the words of the Prophet. And of course, there is a nice
so the, unfortunately, the Christian and the Jews have not been able to separate their books. So the Word of God is in the book, the word of the Prophet is in the book, the word of the historian is in the book, and anything besides which very difficult for people to read to the, to the mother or sister,
to the girlfriend, if she's a very straightforward person. So this is how we evaluate the book is available, there are 50 pence each, to for any to four pounds. And if you feel that's too much, you write to me, I'll send you free from South Africa, but you know, don't be a beggar that mentality don't have a beggar mentality. This is man, you got
to pick them up.
And the plan is also available 2000 pages for six pounds anybody to have access to this, they're available in the
next question, please.
The guy spent recently in Pakistan.
And since then, I have vowed, did you understand my talk in English?
Then there's no sense in me wasting time. If you understood some now how to start explaining to you again, if you understood it, then you can ask the question in English if you understood if you didn't, it's just too bad. I'm sorry. You have to get the speech Translated by somebody. No.
Smaller big. If you understood my English you
past me, if you didn't, please don't waste people's time. Thank you.
In English, can you ask
a question in English?
is no different.
The question that the burners put in is that the speaker said throughout the evening that there was no fundamental difference in the teachings of Islam, Christianity and Judaism. If that is the case, or that being the case, why doesn't three religions then or why doesn't the Christians and Jews follow the teachings of Islam as prescribed by as prescribed in Islam?
You see, we are the children of our environment program.
In the fundamentals as I prove to you no defense, Moses said, one God, Jesus said, One God said one God,
not in the interpretations people differ. He asked the question, how many gods are there? To tell you one God? What is this God like? there? Is there a Father, Son and Holy Ghost?
He believes in a tribal God. Three in One was a did Jesus teach that? No.
It is a well there is a verse in the Bible, first episode of john chapter five, verse seven, where it says, there are three that may record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one. That is the clearest statement on the Trinity in the Bible of the Roman Catholics and the Protestants.
But if you take any modern translation, then by the Christian scholars today, the revised version, the Revised Standard Version, the American Standard Version, the New World Translation, every translation has thrown this verse out as a fabrication.
You see, once you accept the Christian accept that look, this was it is not they're
not the Muslims, not the Jews, the Christian scholars 32 scholars of the highest eminence, backed by 52, cooperating denominations in the Revised Version of the Bible, they said is a fabrication and the throughout the trip was on the Trinity. But the common man, the lady, the police, they'll still keep on preaching it. Because if they say yes, there is no such thing, in the words of Jesus. And even in the Bible, there is no such statement. This is a concoction. Immediately, they'll become Muslims, they'll lose the businesses. If you lose all members, what you will do with all your computers. So the thing is prejudice vested interest, is it's a thing that you know, you hold on to
your cows, you're milking cows, anybody once you have a milking cow, related go, so this is a way of keeping the people in, but any reasonable person who to analyze it, and you'll find there is no such thing as the Trinity in the Bible. Okay.
Thank you, brother. One question. And I think that was a good question in English to
just before you apologize once again, to the questions for the length of the reply, but I'm sure the audience appreciates that. Normal, I hope that Q is not expanding.
If you can keep a tight rein on that, appreciate it, because time is getting on.
One of the main problems
speaker dealt with racism at length during his talk.
The speaker comment on racism.
There are so many problems, but racism is one of the main ones like in South Africa, or the rest of the world. You go to Japan to go to India, race, race, race. So it is a very big problem. And Islam offers a solution. Alcohol is another big problem.
The problem now there are all problems. Each from his point of view civil disagreements is this one. You know, we can't find husbands for our daughters. What do you do? The other guy says, look, our children are drunk. You know, what do we do?
These are all problems, but among them racism, also one of them, it depends on where you put it in the slot number one, number two, number three, number four is listen to the people to decide
that they are all problems.
on how to start?
as opposed to Christian, can you give me a Christian please?
I don't know I'm not from England, but the English is.
Right? The question is, could you describe the the comments in the Jewish Talmud? Is that right? Coming from the Jewish Talmud,
and the historical background of the Jewish Talmud, and its attitude, the Jewish attitude to non Jews,
or Gentiles, for non Jews, you say the book of authority that we are dealing with, when we are familiar with this Holy Bible. And what you want to prove everything is here. You want to know the Jewish Talmud, you can find a synagogue, in the synagogue, a Jewish church, a synagogue, and bonus the rabbi, as the rabbi read about the mood, I know it is available in English, whether he has it or not, I don't know. I don't possess one do I have seen quotations from it? So the best thing is for that information, you go to a synagogue and ask a rabbi and he will be able to hit
Next question, please.
They might be able to tell
that I can talk.
You're an expert on
a scholar and an expert
Reverend chip is one of the largest conferences
in Revelation where they say that God has chosen certain people that he will let go to
a certain sector.
would you say both referring to
the technical nature on remnant church of which we study that has no knowledge. Thank you.
If you speak to Dr. Zaki, after the meeting, they might be able to help
the previous lesson
some people actually
follow followers of Jesus.
What is your opinion
about this point?
In the Quran, the people who follow the religion of Moses and Jesus are referred to as as people of the book. And in the Quran, they are references to unbelievers and disbelievers.
The questioner asks Mr. De dad's opinion on this
terminology that's used from people of the book and disbelieve in unbelievable.
Did I get that right so
I think we'll have to tell our brothers and sisters that they that we have to close by
Eight, because we can get into 10 o'clock and people are moving the fence.
Whatever we can deal with,
we can continue to the 910 because it can lead us to 10 o'clock and I don't think it's fair to the audience to keep them seated in this heat all the time. I think that's a fair point from the speaker, I apologize for that we will go as fast as we can, but when we come to 830, we will cut off. So if you are that cut off, I'm sorry.
With regards to the
Holy Quran speaks about the Jews and the Christians as
meaning people of the book, meaning a limit people, people with a scripture, this is what they were posting. In the time of the Prophet. They boasted that we are alone. We have a book, we have a revelation given to us and you have barbarians illiterate me, you haven't got a prophet to credit you haven't got a book for your credit as such we are learned and you are a learner. So Allah tala addresses them in those very respectful terms. yaalon kita
Illa Kalimantan, savaii manana with that we come to common terms as between us and you come, let us get on a common platform. This is how Allah speaks about.
That means Jews and Christians with regards to the unbeliever and disbeliever This is a choice some translators called those who don't believe in Allah. unbelievers Some say disbelievers. Technically, what is the exact meaning of this believer and unbeliever? I think that exactly you should meet him afterwards, he might be able to explain to you I have no knowledge that English is a bit too high for me. You know, disbeliever means this quality of unbelievers and this unbeliever means this degree, that type of knowledge, I haven't gone. So this is the explanation. That means Jews and Christians and believers, mostly referring to those who didn't believe in.
What is your question?
Find out what there was a challenge.
thank you for your patience, Sister, I saw your child from out here. Appreciate you waiting so long in the interests of giving as many people an opportunity as possible. I would appreciate it if you keep your questions brief
The question that's posed is that often
Muslims are accused of putting the best examples forward in the discussions with Christians, when in fact, the society that it should be posed to is a secular society and not a Christian society.
What do they say? You ask any other secular people in your country in the Philippines census forms?
Religion, what do they say? Judaism or Islam? Or Hinduism? What do they say?
So they say they are Christians, whether the secular or religious. And the fact is that there is a problem of alcoholism from the people. There is a problem of surplus women.
There are 4 million British women in your country than men. If every man in England,
Scotland and Wales they all got married, there will be 4 million women who can get husbands. Now is a loose term as a solution to a problem.
You don't like it you love it. As I said the love is
the solution to the problem Islam offers you. America has 7.8 million more than if every man in america got married 7.8 million women can get husbands and have the manpower they have 25 million again.
That makes 32 million women can get husbands. The 98% of the prison population is men. Still so many men out of circulation.
Problem is getting compounded. So this is not look Islam as a as a natural religion. Allah, Allah God Almighty in his mercy, he gives you a solution. The solution is Allah says many women of your choice by twos and threes and fours, but if you cannot do justice between them marry only one. The only religions on the face of the earth which has the statement marry only one is the Quran. There is no such statement in the Holy Bible. In the Bhagavad Gita, the Ramayana, marry only one, this is a solution to your problem, you have a lack of us as the life is on you. So these are just words that technicality is a find respondent, this is the solution, the medicine, if it is good enough for
you take it if you don't use it in your soup.
Next question, please.
My question is concerning your statement, there is no difference between Christianity, Judaism and Islam. The question is this. As you know, in Judaism, in the Torah, set the offering before God always a blood sacrifice.
You know, the story of
My question is, where is blood? In Islam? Do Muslims believe that?
Do they believe, as I've read so many times, myself, they believe in words.
the concept of
in the Muslim society, as opposed to good works and good deeds, where is the concept of blood in Islam?
You see, the idea of
the Jews had
two goals for your sins, one the scapegoat, and one for sacrifice. One, they loaded the sin on the goat and lifted in the wilderness to take away your sins, and the other for the expiation for your sins, slaughter. And this carried on to Jesus. And still, the thing is, the Christian continues, though he doesn't sacrifice a sheep or a goat, he feels a crisis fulfill that, right? But now the parable that Jesus gives, he doesn't say that. See that? You sacrifice an animal and it takes away your sins. He didn't say that in the Bible. If you remember the parable of the prodigal son,
Jesus spoke about the prodigal son that a father had two sons.
One of them shows at one stage look, Barry gave me what belongs to me my inheritance, and I want to fend for myself. So Father gives him what what to belong to this son.
So he goes out to a foreign country, he squandered his wealth, what was given to him and he falls into bad company in the gutter drinking adultery, whatever fruit and dirt, and in that condition, he realizes that he would have been better off with the Father.
So he returns back to the Father. And the father sees him from afar.
With the Bible, he sees him from a distance and he runs towards the sun, and he embraces his son and he cries, I said this, my son was dead is now alive. He was lost is now
and he tells the other brother, his sacrifice the fatted calf, as a celebration of the incoming with the product.
Now who is the father, and who are the sons in the parable? The father is God.
ask any question.
Listen, man, who is he talking about? fathers, the sons are one like you one like me. You are a good guy, always faithful and all that the other guy has drifted off, he chooses to come back. But as a father say, he doesn't say you squandered my words, I want you to sleep with the pigs. And look after my, my pigs for seven years before I get into the house father doesn't do that the Father is prepared to sacrifice is
not the son, that punishment should go to the son. So this is the law God that if you make a sincere repentance, you written sincerely, you will come back to God. God accepts you with open arms, he will not punish you. She needs no blood.
The blood of a man or a lamb in the house of Islam the Quran tells us that neither the flesh nor the blood of the sacrifice animal reaches him, but it is your piety. What goes in to making the sacrifice your
also without spirit is anything you do the works let's say you pray 50 times a day you have your mind and soul is not there. You wasting your time you fast in the house of Islam when you fast we don't eat and we don't drink from certain times a certain time. But at the same time, the guy's backbiting his slandering. So the Holy Prophet Roma situation you're really starving yourself.
What are you doing? In other words, know your heart and mind and soul must be in what you're doing. Without them. Just formality won't take you to heaven, formality of sacrificing sheep, goat or cow. That doesn't take anybody to heaven? Because the Quran says neither the blood nor the flesh of the sacrifice animal reaches him, but it is your piety what is in you?
The brother says Jesus did not use force
to promote his religion. Did Muhammad use force to promote his religion,
not force or clarify the sword to get people into the fold of his religion.
This is a very common accusation allegations against Islam, that Islam was spread at the point of assault. That's a communist fabrication that is invented against Islam. look at history. One man against the whole world. Thomas Carlyle, a British. In 1840, he built a series of talks in London, and he defends Thomas Carlyle,
one of the greatest thinkers of the past century British English and an Anglican. He said the sword indeed, with regard to the charge of the sword is the sword indeed, but where will you get your soul? Every new opinion at this beginning is precisely in the minority of one.
When you start a movement, there is no political party. There is no Council of Churches to to create the bishop repo There is nothing like that, you know the history of Muhammad. Starting from the minute his beginnings. By the time he's six, his mother dies before he's born, his father died. Often by the time he's six, he's looking after his uncle Abu Talib coats
at the age of 40, for the first time he declares his mission and persecution, if you know the history of the early sahabas, the companions persecution to such an extent that twice they had to flee to ever seen the other Muslims to flee from Mecca to Medina, with the
exception of the top of your head, where is the soul is in every new opinion that is beginning is precisely in the minority of one in one man's head alone very yet it is one man against all men that he takes us on and try to propagate with that will do little for him. One man against all men.
The man takes all of you like me now if I had a gun and all of you accept this law
What is it worth
It was rubbish. He says, first get your sword, meaning you need people to accept voluntary acceptance. The Quran says like,
there is no compulsion in religion is worthless. You are a non Muslim, I take it
so we can
What is it worth?
But this is the chart look at history. Now while he's in Medina, the Quraysh
the idol worshipers, they come to Medina
the guys came 200 miles, the Muslims came out a few months to meet them. The second battle
Medina, third one, the Battle of the trench.
Who is doing the fighting
with regards to Jesus now with regards a soul in the Gospel of St. Luke, chapter 19. Verse 27, Jesus's for those my enemies,
not that I should reign over them, bring them in slay them before me.
1927 check for those by enemies who are his enemies. He doesn't want Jesus to his enemies, bring them, bring them in slay them in my sight.
At Alaska, if you remember, he's telling his disciples, we remember I sent you out on a mission of preaching and healing.
I told you that you must not carry issues.
Did you like anything? They said? No. But now I tell you, those of you whose thoughts or comments and buy them
Am I quoting correctly? Sell your guns and buy so to do a pair apples or bananas? What to do? What? What do you do with it? And then he goes to the garden gets many people at the gate is a steady here and watch with me.
We're gonna watch what he takes with him, Peter and the two Sons of Liberty. Because further in
while I get go and pray yonder at the gate to do what? Three in a line of defense to do what to watch.
Then when the rune soldiers, the Jews brought the Roman soldiers, the tables were turned against him. Peter, he had the sword. So he says, Master, shall we smite them with a sword?
More than two more than one at least?
Did they have the salt with them?
Shall we smite them with the salt? Did they have salt?
salts, Jesus to do what? Cutting apples, pears, what? To keep people, but the tables are turned. So now has a bit already is left of the Europe, one of the
one of the persons you know the gods. And Jesus now realizes that if it comes to the crunch, all will be massacred. So he says, Put down your sword because he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword that enable them to ask themselves that he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword, then why did he give him the wrong advice? It was the right advice, thinking that the Jews will come along to Jews against Jews. It might be a different type of a battle when compared to trained Roman soldiers. So now the tables are turned against him. So he says put down your soul. So the sword is ever there in the hands of Jesus at the temple he will choose you remember, whether with a whip you
hit a man over the sword. You are a violent person.
With a man with a blow, I'm violent and violent.
violent. So Jesus Christ didn't spend any money. The sword was in his hand he had the opportunity, he would have done the job in a better moment.
Thank you very much in respect to the rule that we set early on and Mr. de deus wishes is now 830. I apologize that you are the last man. I apologize to the people behind you. Just before you leave. I would like to hand over to our chairman Dr. Zaki.
If the meeting has to come to an end, and it actually falls to my side lot this evening. It remains to move over to thanks to the speaker, Mr. Medina has who has included us on his European tour to the Islamic Propagation center for organizing the meeting and also to our hosts the West London, London Islamic
society who helped us organize this meeting. Thank you.
Thank you very much for that. I am sorry, Mr. Mr. D dad won't be able to meet all of you this evening. He has left South Africa on the 16th of August 16 of July and he's been on the move ever since. He's rather tired and he has a long journey to Birmingham tonight. I apologize for that. Thank you for coming a Salaam Alaikum