Ramadan Livestream – Secularism and Liberalism

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Assalamu alaykum warahmatullahi wabarakatuhu brothers and sisters and friends and welcome and welcome to the fifth Ramadan live of Sapiens Institute rather Sapiens Institute's fifth Ramadan live and hamdulillah. Today the theme is secularism and liberalism. We've gone through five themes Alhamdulillah and then we're going to have something brand new for the five odd nights of the last 10 days over Ramadan and they're gonna be very exciting themes and topics and updates. So please be aware that we are going to be live at every odd night insha Allah in the last 10 days over Ramadan. With me today we have our beloved Dr. Rothman Latif, I want to come by exam to law how you share?

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Well, I'm gonna How are you? getting very good, very good.

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We also have with us today, the the venerable, the noble, the one and only

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100 along with thank you so much for having me once again. Good, good masala. So brothers and sisters, we're going to be focusing on the theme of liberalism and secularism. And at the same time, as you know, we're going to be updating you on our work, and how you can support us and how you could really get involved in this reward and have a share of this reward. Just to remind every single one of you the Donate link is Sapiens institute.org. forward slash donate live, don't do a donate today. Don't wait for the last 10 days or Ramadan. You don't know if you still don't have the money. This is the control of Allah subhanho wa Taala. You don't know if you're going to be alive,

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the panel. So now talk to us, give us some historical lessons concerning Islam. You know, sometimes the secularists of the extremists secularists and extremist liberals, some of them, they basically pointing the finger at Islam and say, You guys are backward. You don't have good governance. You don't have good justice. You don't have good morals don't have good ethics, you don't have any tolerance. You don't have any coexistence, you guys are medieval, right? Obviously, this is a crude perspective. But how would you respond to that? I will respond to them by using just one word, France.

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That's a good point. That's my response. My response would be France, before you point fingers at Islam or the Muslim civilization, look at the best model you have today. I mean, they will turn around and say, Oh, no, no, that's not the best model. But this is the 21st century secularism is about let's say,

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you know, how we know it is about 200 years old, right? If we take the the Enlightenment philosophers as the starting point of modern secularism, right? Because it came as a reaction to the church. It It was born in Europe, it is a product of the European history.

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It was a product of the European history. So if we take

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the inception of secularism in the 18th century, if we consider it to be from that particular period, then it is not doing well, unfortunately, it's already failing, right? It's only 200 years old. Firstly, what we need to look at what it produced, it produced colonialism, it produced nationalism, it produced all sorts of isms and schisms, that resulted in all the great grand Mac, you know, magnificent in the, in the sarcastic sense, conflicts that occurred in the 20th century, right. I believe, secularism as an ideology, that manifested in different forms in the 20th century, was the, the cause of these conflicts, and the conflicts still continue. So before you point a

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finger at Islamic civilization, we really need to look

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look back at where we come from, you know, I mean, if if Europe is or if the West, or the Western world is our model, then we're not doing quite well. Unfortunately, we really need to improve. When it comes to Muslim civilization we have the entire night we can talk about all the virtues of Islam and the Muslim civilization. The question of tolerance, the question of governance, the question of justice, the question of coexistence, the question of pluralism, the question of, let's say, how the other is treated Islam, amazingly, or the Muslim civilization in general, you know, produced a golden age, and many others. Others testify to this. I mean, the Muslims don't always praise them

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their civilization. Of course, there were many bad things. There were many disturbances. There were many

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You know, things we are not proud of, of course, of course, we are very honest about our history, we try to be at least, you know, it's not very easy to be completely unbiased and unprejudiced when talking about these things, but we have to be unprejudiced and unbiased. Because the Quran commands us to do so. In chapter four, verse 235 and chapter five, verse five, verse eight, sorry, verse eight, we are told by Allah our Creator, that we just even if it's against you, so we we try to speak with justice. So it's a it's a huge discussion. liberalism is an offshoot of secularism. Right? So that's another idea we need to discuss tonight, inshallah Tada. And at the same time,

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don't forget why we are here today, we are here to make sure that these discussions continue. We are here to ensure that the Muslim civilization has some intellectual defense. Okay. And that would be

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For them in the beginning, this is not gonna happen on by Yeah, that's very interesting what you said. So, your, your perspective or argument seems to basically look at the history of secularism, liberalism. With regards to, you know, its curriculum, VT, right, it's kind of work experience profile, and you're seeing all the jobs that is hard, and you're saying, you know, it got sacked from here, didn't do very well over here. Someone gave him the P 60. Over here. People from Britain understand that concept. When you get sacked, you're giving your P 60. And, or P 45. One of those anyway, and you know, so you're saying that the curriculum, VT of secularism and liberalism is

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basically not great. But the man will argue, bro, like, you know, look at the scientific progress. Look at the fact that there are, you know, many minorities in different nations in Europe, in America, what about the secularism in America, in America seems to be quite successful people are integrated very well, you know, people call themselves I'm Italian American. I'm, I'm Chinese American. I'm Greek American, I'm Irish American, you know, they have a sense of allegiance to the Flag if you like. So from that perspective, you know, France could be an anomaly, they would argue it's a it's an extreme, it's a hard form of secularism, you have, like two forms is an airhead form

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of secularism and a soft form. And this in France, you know, they, they not only make secularism into this hot ideology, but they they defy the ideology, right. And then the symbols of the ideology, like the tricolor flag, if you insulted then you could get into trouble. So one would argue is it's a good perspective to see the history, but they would say, all of these things, all of these things in terms of war, in terms of nationalism, in terms of all of these evils that you say they would say that you can't link that to secularism, but you link that to ideologies, such as nationalism, you know, ethno nationalism, narcissism, you know, and all those other forms of

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ideological evils and say, how can you link this to secularism? secularism is merely the separation of the church and state, what would you guys say on this? So on you you have a go and talk to someone in the teeth. And yeah, that's a very interesting perspective. And I agree that there are many great things about Western nations today, which I cherish myself. Okay. These great things. Like, let's say pluralism,

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tolerance, generosity, compassion, okay, equal opportunity, let's say in places like Britain, places like Germany, at least in theory, at least in

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These are some great things. But what you mentioned earlier or later actually, in your statement that nationalism, secularism, Nazism, fascism, I believe these are actually manifestations of secularism. Just to say that secularism is a separation between the state and the church doesn't really give us any details about secularism. secularism is an idea that gave rise to many other branches, which came to be known as these branches we just mentioned, like, you know, different manifestations, different ideologies accumulated, or they emerged as a break from the church, okay, and it's very unpredictable, unpredictable, secular ideologies, or whatever they may be in different

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places at different times, are very unpredictable, depending on who's governing, depending on the public opinion, and how the societies can be manipulated into a particular direction. They can go into any direction, for example, Europe, not until very long ago was pretty open to immigrants, you know, we were flourishing. And for the last 20 years, for some reason, the wind has started to change direction, right? tolerance is reducing the far right is on the rise, nationalism is being used as, as a whip to attack and lash immigrant societies. And Islamophobia is on the rise. France is a classic example. This is my point, that these societies and these legal systems and these

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ideologies, they are very unpredictable because they don't have a static moral standard. It keeps changing with social consensus, wherever the society is decide to go, that becomes the norm that becomes moral. While in Islam, we can't do that our social norms, our moral values, our ethics are being defined clearly we cannot diverse, you know, we cannot diversify them or we can we cannot digress from them. We have to stick to what is murder. At the time of the Prophet his murder today. What is immoral. At the time of the property is moral today, the Prophet told us not to harm the other, the Jews and the Christians and the rastriya and or others, you come to govern, or you have

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rule over them, then we don't do that. Right? We cannot brutalize minorities, or even immigrants, let's say if we want to use a modern term, right, if not minorities, so our moral standards, our ethics are defined by the Quran and the Sunnah, while secularism, any Tom, Dick and Harry comes along, proposes some ideas, and these ideas are accepted by enough people in a society they become the norm, they become the, how can I put it, you know, the modus operandi of that nation or for that nation, like what's happened happened in France, French politics is being heavily influenced and bullied by the extremely,

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extremely How can I put it?

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Extremely bigoted, far right element within the country. Right. So I hope I'm making sense. But this is where the differences, the Islamic civilization, our ethics are clearly defined. We're not unpredictable, our civilization, with all his problems and challenges for the last 1000 years or maybe one 1300 years if you want to put it that way. Okay, we have a static system to, to demonstrate or to show show the world historically speaking, while secularism is only 200 years old, strictly speaking, as we know it today, and is still producing some bitter fruits.

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Okay, interesting. Talk to us, man. Anything you would add to this? So a different perspective?

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Your mute, mute, mute,

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you're muted.

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Alright, can you hear me so I'm going to come?

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Yeah, I love all of you. Thank you so much. Alhamdulillah. I think it's, it's wonderful what's being described already. I think what we're dealing with really, I mean, this is really this comes across in both of your comments about secularism and liberalism is I think at the baseline, I mean, if we start right from the very, very, very beginning, right from very foundation we're dealing with, you know, man's man's desire for selfishness, man's desire for self expression, man's desire for self determination, self autonomy. And that really, I think, would be the the foundational ideology or thinking behind the even the rise of movements or shenana is describing of nationalism or, or far

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right, nationalism, movements, Nazi ism.

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But even those who are not as you know, as sinister as those, what is it that's motivating man to simply be man in the first place. I mean, this is really the philosophy. What is

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What are the agents that are, you know, that are within man social experiences that that it can create him to be what he ends up being. I think that there is something that's so formative, so fundamental, that that Islam explains so beautifully. And I want us to go all the way back right all the way back to the very beginning. And that is when if you guys recall, the new remember, and the grind is in fact reminding us to recall and remember, and that is that after the initial revelation of the Quran, that of course we celebrate in the great month of Ramadan. The greatness of this month is predicated on the greatness of the revelation that was revealed in this month, meaning the Quran,

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and the first revelations of recite in the name of your Lord, if you if you if you remember that, you know, from this point onwards, there was in fact the delay and a gap in Revelation. You know, for some months, and the the pagans of Makkah began to turn to sell him and began to say to him What a horrible, horrible his Lord has abandoned him, his Lord has abandoned him. Now, if you think about secularism, and you think about liberalism, about the idea of promotion of self and enjoyment of self experiences, and so freedoms and soft autonomy, everything that results from it, there's going to be good elements that Chuck anon has described them, but also negative elements that in fact, eat

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away at the, at the, you know, idea or ideals of social goodness and social care, social equality, social compassion, and social vibrancy and so on and so forth. In Islam, in fact, in what comes across in this initial, very early sort of abohar, Allah reminds the process lm that your individual greatness is not based upon self promotion, not based upon self, you know, selfishness or self greatness, but there is a parallel between individual life, individual pursuit, individual experience, individual, you know, your your being, and, and your accountability towards Allah with respect to social output, social greatness, social goodness. And so for example, if you see that, in

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sootel, Doha, Allah begins the surah by reminding them about himself. Every single one of us is a life experience, every one of us is a is a life history. Right? And the visa Selim Of course, he had a life experience a life history. And it was it was it was Rocky, it was difficult for him in his early days, and a lot reminds him, let me adjudicate your team and find out why didn't we find an orphan and sheltered you? And you were

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wondering, and Allah guided you, you were in poor, impoverished, and Allah enriched you. But if it stops there, right, then what's going to happen is that man, when he recounts and remembers himself, what I went through in life and what I need to achieve in life, it's going to be devoid of our of our social responsibility, our social accountability in terms of society, Allah then says, For Emily, a team I fell into how do I miss Latin? How am I been a mature Robic, I've had it. Therefore, as for the one who's an orphan, don't shun the orphan push away too often. As for the one who is, you know, who was petitioning and requesting, don't push that person away, don't be cool to that

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person, and recount the favors of your Lord. And so therefore, you find this amazing amalgamation really, of human self identity. And

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to be there, then donate Sapiens institute.org forward slash Donate Life without taking much of your time I'll go back to talk with money we're making some excellent points amazing fascinating points please go check continue your love this year May Allah reward in abundance out there Brother Brother shines it's really remarkable to panella anna and i think that's going to be probably the golden word. For us tonight the word invest right and thinking about this of course as an investment for you to further the work of Sapiens and really think about Allah in the Quran. He says that Oh, you believe her Allah will download enough some academic level, let every soul look to see what is

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sending forward for tomorrow. What is it that we have for tomorrow, don't it not only tomorrow, as in the next life unbounded rewards remarkable rewards from Allah subhanho wa Taala. But the growth of Islam in this life is also about our tomorrow. Remember, this is a work for generations to come. This is about us, our children, the furtherance of the Islamic cause. This is about academic excellence, really highlighting the cases of misrepresentations of Islam, you know, putting the record straight, all of that requires time and effort. And of course, the ones are going to benefit inshallah, not just of those who are living today, but inshallah of those of the video I'll give you

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one example a beautiful example. Shannon mentioned the example of these Paragons, we have really archetypal Paragons in Islamic history. Many of them were not as good as they should have been. Many of them were well beyond what we might consider to be, you know, record standards of excellence. One of them the prophets, companion, Omar wrote the law and in fact, one saw

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once a patch of field, that was not so there was no no cultivation of the seeds. And an Omar approached the man and asked him, man, I can think about this as a principle Menaka what prevents you from sowing your seeds? Think about that, as a principle, what is preventing you from sowing your seeds, the man says, and I share hood Kabir Mo, the garden, I'm an old man is going to die tomorrow. Right? Think about that, that the problem with being apathetic to to a potential goodness that's awaiting you. But to be apathetic to that. I'm an old man, I'm going to die tomorrow. And Omar says to him, I'm compelling you, you go to sow your seeds. The man son said, I saw the next

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morning Omer and my father both on the floor, and they're both sowing the seeds on that patch of land, there is a potential goodness a potential growth. Nothing Of course, you know, if you if you imagine this for you know, everything in life, everything you can imagine around you, anything, everything has a point of growth, anything like for example, if you think about Sapiens Institute, insha, Allah, we want growth in cell by Allah's permission of that, yeah, anything a business enterprise, a leaf, a twig, human being insect, Animal, rodent rat, anything has a point of growth, from the point of life, it might grow for a short time, it might grow for a full lifetime. It might

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grow for a day hotpot a day, you know, but from the point of growth to the point of end growth, where it ceases to grow. That's the point of dementia, there is a middle middle illness to that, you know, and that middle illness is like, is like challenges. That's a challenge, right? Everything that grows must face challenges in order to facilitate that growth. If you imagine for example, you know, we had a rat infestation in our house last day. And I'll tell you something, I've come to admire rats. You might think I'm crazy, but I admire rats, because I think that is so gifted. I mean they're so intelligent, in how they how they learn to maneuver around in a human intelligence can

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evade us in different ways. But if you think about that, even the rats face us they face us we're in humans in our homes, for example, because we're we're threats to them or we're challenges to them. A plant will face the heavy rain the heavy storm, you know, small animals will face like heavier, you know, stronger predators, right seeking seeking them. humans beings we face illnesses and diseases in life and all of these are potential impediments opposite

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And then of course, that facilitates our growth because we learn, we accustomed we adapt to these things. But that can't be the main growth Allah wants from us. The main growth allowance from all of us is a growth that even excels this. And a beautiful example is given, in fact in the Quran with Miriam. If you think about Madame la Salaam and think about the work of Sapiens as well, money ma Salaam was a small unit, she was a peasant, a peasant girl, she was not somebody who was that important. But there was an ambition that came from her mother, Hannah, the mother had an ambition, she had an inspiration, she had a resolve in a for her daughter, even before the daughter was born.

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Everything the work of Sapiens Institute, the work that we're doing, it all starts with, you know, an idea, it will start with a motivation, with a with a with a plan, it starts with, you know, something that a person within your sub industry, so of course, all of our work, that we have this sense of intention. And so she says, well, Allah, whatever is moving in my womb, I'm going to dedicate for your service. Look at that, so Padilla, right, think about that, in terms of our next generation, if you're a mother, for example, you would have an an aspiration for your child, you know, seek greatness for your children seek greatness for your communities where society's right,

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and then Allah and then what happened. He said, she gave birth, and and it was a girl. Now if you're a girl in ancient Nigeria, right, the opportunities perhaps are far less than they were if they were fed well, boys. And so she then she is not prevented from that. And Allah says that, she says, I've given birth to a girl. And Allah knows, of course, she's a better girl. And I've named her money. And when I see graffiti with you, from Shere Khan, in a forehand from our progeny, and Allah says, Allah accepted the vowel that she made, and she grew up in excellent goodness, that's growth. So it wasn't only growing in terms of her physical being growing in terms of our age, she was growing in

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her knowledge growing in her conviction, growing in her faith growing in her imagine growing in her, you know, relationship with Allah, all of these are forms of growth in the life of money. And so think about that. Therefore, Omar was commanding this man to sow his seed. So there would have grown, I mean, people are going to rely on those seeds. Even if the old man dies, those seeds will still exist, there's going to be fruit from those seeds. That's the work of Sapiens. Right. If all of us if all of us get involved in really planting that tree, plant the tree, the tree will require cultivation, it will require care, it will require rain water, you know, if you have a farmer, if a

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farmer you remember the story of jack in the beanstalk, jack in the beanstalk, this in this story, what happens is that jack goes and he buys. And his mom sends him to my you know, the cow if I remember, and, and he encounters the man who gives him seeds. Instead, he goes back home and the mom is angry with them, because what can the C's do? You throw the seeds and then overnight the beanstalk grows. Now, in reality, of course, nothing like that can happen, except with the permission of Allah subhanho wa Taala. But But what does the farmer has to do, in order to facilitate growth, he can't simply throw his seeds on earth that is barren. On earth that is drying,

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he needs to ensure that he tells that he plows, if he kills and plows in the earth, what he will do is he will create new Earth, and that New Earth, that the seeds will have exposure to air and exposure to water. And they will allow for those new plants to grow. And that's really what it is. It's about clearing the earth, right, irrigating new creating new Earth, and then sowing your seeds. And then maintenance cultivation looking after that, that plot of land in order to see that growth. And I think that's really where we need to be in our work. And I've given so many different kinds of analogies and metaphors here. But I think we get the point and Sharla Yes, this is a multi layered

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Oh, hey, Jeff, he was looking for something and I think he found something and hamdulillah. So, with regards to secularism, we haven't really spoken about liberalism, as a kind of connection. But before we get before we unpack that, what are your thoughts on this whole idea anyway?

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Before whether you speak Yeah, let me very quickly remind everyone to share this live stream on your social media platforms, brothers and sisters, on your Facebook, Twitter or YouTube links, paste them everywhere, let people join in and let them hear what we have to say today about secularism and liberalism. This is going to be a very interesting discussion, a lot of history, a lot of intellectual ideas, a lot of ideas from the Muslim point of view, inshallah, you will get to hear a lot of these things and there will be questions, we will let in people to ask questions, and they will ask questions and we will answer inshallah. So Sapiens institute.org forward slash donate live

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pledges. So this is the Milan from philosophers corner says, I hope you're doing well. I just wanted to pull up a comment here, because she recently embraced Islam. And

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she's really, really interesting YouTube channel called philosophers corner, she goes through she learned from my whole book, she did like 85 weeks or something. Yeah, she went for other people's books and, and you know, she's been having some eunos troubles because of a reversion I believe I just want to let her know that the whole community have her back. And that may Allah subhanho wa Taala. Grant her the best in this life,

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to come and to guide me and to shower with Allah's boundless love, and yet offer her to keep up the great work system. Allah bless you.

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inter Christian battles in Europe,

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between the Catholics and the Protestants. And then you see, obviously that there's big kickoffs between like France and England and the ones that everyone's very familiar with.

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And then you start to have the the colonization of the Americas. And the Americas was a very unique place, because you had like a lot of these different people from a lot of different places in the world sort of all congregating into one place. And there were obviously a lot of the 13 colonies were British, and they were making alliances with the French to sort of rebel against the British, and this made complex how they were all going to sort of live together because they were making these sort of strange alliances, and to sort of overcome a lot of these inter

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Christian struggles that they were having, you sort of see the inclination towards secularism, as a response to this to try to fix the problem

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was also obviously they were competing with the Islamic world, and all of these other things are going on, that they needed an answer to sort of get over these troubles, secularism seemed to sort of be a step in that direction. Now, the only thing is, with secularism, there's there's a number of issues. First of all, it's sort of requires that you flatten the the playing field. So like all belief systems sort of become equivalent to a certain degree in this worldview.

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And that's problematic in a certain degree. Because it sort of devalues everything. So, you know, when you've got people that grow up in secular societies, everything is sort of equally fictional. And when kids are growing up in this sort of environment, as well, it rubs off on them, they look at their own traditions as somewhat fictional, because all of these other ones, sort of seeing the same way. And personally, as well, when I grew up in a sort of non religious High School,

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that was definitely how all traditions were seeing us. And it seems to rub off from this sort of flattening of the playing field that you get in secularism. And, and not only that, so they say it's, you know, the separation of church and state.

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But then it's obviously often very much linked to democracy. But then democracy is also pretty much the rule of the majority in certain regards. And it you know, it undermines itself in in many ways. And I, for example, what do you do if the majority of the populace

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are religious, and they vote in a secular state, they vote for something else they vote for, you know, like, for God to be pivotable in the, in the social sphere, and things like that. And so, you know, it's got these issues here. And then obviously, that, you know, the issues that Adnan alluded to, as well, with regards to inclination towards things like nationalism, and all these other problems.

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And I think often these are sort of reactionary to realization that this flattening of values just doesn't work that people eventually end up having to sort of inclined to something. And it can go as far as sort of seeing secularism as in a religious way as well, you see that with France, who's sort of notorious was even when they were religious, and they were Catholics, they were renowned for, you know, with the same sort of vigor that they're currently doing with the, the minorities like the the Muslims that live there at the moment. This is a recurring pattern. This is the very, very similar thing that happened with the Protestants that lived under them with King Louie when he was a

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leading with Catholic rule

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and see it. So for me, secularism is probably problematic because of its flattening of value hierarchies. And that this ultimately is it's done with, quote unquote, good intentions. But then it has consequences and like, you end up sort of turning it into something different.

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Yes. I don't know if that makes any sense. But yeah, no, that is very good. What you said because I agree with that, because I think secularism, you know, they try to universalize it and is, is it's very Eurocentric, because it was a European problem. You had the catholic church that was using the coercive arm of the state to prevent any thinking or to stop ideas that was in Congress with the Catholic doctrine, combined with trade laws and religious issues. And Martin Luther pegging on a church door in Wittenberg, his thesis attacking the Catholic Church, and then that, you know, gave birth to the kind of reformation and the religious wars the 80 year was the 30 year was the massacre

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on St. Bartholomew's day. I mean, Europe suffered a lot. And what happened as a result, there was this kind of like compromise. Now Professor john schwabe, in his book, liberalism, human rights and the liberal project. He's a professor from the London School of Economics. He makes us a point and he basically says that I think he introduced

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is the kind of liberalism here, he says, This is when thinkers started to

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look at the individual, as some kind of abstract entity like, away from God's perceived will for society. And that, in a way, gave birth to what you call the kind of philosophical foundation of liberalism, which is individualism or activism, which is really no, there's differences of opinion here. But generally speaking, is the view that the individual is an abstract entity, almost devoid from social obligations and attachments muster words of the feminist philosopher Malik, Marilyn Friedman, she says, that's what atomism individualism is you abstract the individual, away from society. And then what they do, therefore, they say, therefore, they, they have the individual has

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an inherent right to liberty, and to property and to things like this. Now, people think this is based on the golden rule. People think this is like, you know, love for others, or for yourself. People think that this is universal, but it's not. There's a lot of philosophical unpacking to you to do. Because what do you mean by Liberty? Yeah, people think, like, we have an essay. It's an academic essay, and one of the unique things about sapiens, we bring stuff into the public domain. That's not even popularized yet. So we wrote an essay on does Islam control freedom, and we unpack the idea of freedom, because we use it as a common thing amongst discourse, whether we're religious

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or not, and when again, we want freedom. But this is totally pragmatic. We said, Well, what is the idea of freedom, and freedom itself, which is which is very linked, which is linked to liberalism.

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Freedom is, in a nutshell, the absence of coercion. But what is coercion, if you read the book by y timer, he wrote a book called coercion and that that's still the deal. He basically gave some thought experiments to show that you can be coerced or forced to do something or you could be made to choose a, a an outcome, that is not what you want. But it doesn't mean that your freedom has been violated. For example, if someone has to have life saving surgery, and has to sign the contract, the disclaimer, you know, if they don't sign it, they're not going to have life saving surgery, and they're gonna die. Just because they are squeezed or coerced into signing the contract to save their

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lives. It doesn't mean they're not free. And there are many, many other examples to understand. But the point here is so free freedom is not only the absence of coercion, but you have to understand what type of coercion and the discussion amongst academics today is, it's the is the is the is the non violation of your rights. So to be free, means that your rights have not been violated. And Robert nozick also has a discussion on this, and so on and so forth. So this is very key. Freedom is when your rights are not violated. What questions should we asking now and I want everyone to listen to this concept. The question we are asking is, well, what conception of rights should you follow?

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That's the point. And the liberals have a liberal view on rights, the kind of more positive view and rights like maybe some of the kind of

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communist socialist types don't have a different view or rights. So when we use an idea of freedom, that is predicated contingent, particular understanding of rights. So as Muslims, we should say, we're most free, we're free than everybody, everybody is literally enslaved. Why? Because we, our rights are not violated. We have the correct conception of rights, and how can we discuss that we say they came from God, and God knows us better we know ourselves. God is a kind of universal legislative, if you like, he's a source of all morals and rights. And then we can have an ontological discussion rather than getting involved in this in this political stuff. We're like,

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well, if you really want to be free, you need to really know what your rights are. Because Because understanding your rights, when they've been violated when they haven't been Riley, it is actually the thing that's gonna make you understand what freedom is, but that needs to make you understand, you need to find out first or what right what conception of rights are the most accurate. So the academic that was working with, well, rather, I was learning from when I was doing my post grad, on this issue, he basically wanted to develop a eudaimonic approach to rights, but you demonia is linked to like the Aristotelian understanding of well being and happiness, know what rights give you

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well being and happiness, but then again, we could just bring it back to Allah subhanho wa Taala show that what Allah Allah knows the human being better than we do. So anyway, the point I wanted to focus on this because number one, there's an essay on our website called does it sound keto freedom, and he goes through this mood, he goes, this was a kind of a crude summary but goes in depth on this. But you're right. So when it comes to liberalism is linked to this whole historical issue, because it was like a compromise. And now the liberals think now that liberalism is universal, but it was a European problem. Because if you

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To look towards that way, or that way, you would see there were other civilizations like the Muslim civilization, they weren't experiencing those problems to that degree at least. Right? So it's a Eurocentric issue they're trying to protract or, or trying to impose on the rest of the human experience. And also, when they talk about things like liberty, we need to unpack what that really means I, you know, I'm not going to fulfill your definition. And in academia, it's the absence of coercion, but specifically certain instances of coercion, not all aspects of coercion, and that is contingent on your conception of rights. So if you want to talk to me about who's really free, talk

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to me about where you get your rights from, how do you know those rights are actually the rights you should have. And in the Islamic tradition, our rights come from the Quran and the Sunnah, which we can prove, and it's true, or whatever comes from truth is true. But the other thing that we could unpack, but we'll let someone on and I'll stop here is to unpack this whole notion of individualism and atomism, how does that affect social degradation and decay? How does it affect politics because in an ideal, ideological, liberal state, they can't have a conception of the good life. They can't say, right, this is what values you should follow. Because what they assume is that human beings

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are, if they're free, and rational, they're going to come together in that vacuum of morals, and they're gonna be a competing market marketplace of morality, and they're gonna just battle it out to show What more should be good. And that's why in a liberal society, more has changed over time, because that competition in that moral vacuum always changes. But the question is, is very naive, because what if someone's more powerful, because in that type of scenario, those who hold the influence, they're the ones who are going to shape society over time. So there's so many things to unpack. Let's bring it bring it bring someone on. But don't forget brothers and sisters, these ideas

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were useful wants to

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remind you about the link? You know, if you want to support such research, and you could look at the specific essay called does it sound keto freedom, I'm telling you, you won't find much of this stuff online. It's cutting edge stuff Alhamdulillah support this type of work, brothers and sisters Sapiens nc.org, forward slash donate live, donate today, use of comments, please. Yes, I just wanted to touch it. Because obviously, we're talking here about liberty, what do we mean when we're talking about freedom and things like that. Now, often, this discourse is sort of dominated by a very naive approach to this sort of ideal sense of freedom, freedom, like the typical, those who shall not be

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named, but that they sort of see themselves as the the modern William Wallace, just screaming freedom from a pulpit. Now, the problem with this discourse is it often neglects that there are different types of freedoms, and that these freedoms can overlap. So you can have positive and negative freedoms, positive freedoms or freedoms to do things. And then you have negative freedoms, which are freedoms from things. And these can and do often come into conflict. So for example, someone having the freedom to party all night, in unreasonable hours on, you know, very, like family estates or council estates, where there's lots of children, that can be considered a freedom, if it

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was a freedom that we could do. But obviously, in the UK, this isn't something that's allowed, but you could argue for that as a freedom. Now the issue and the reason we don't allow that kind of thing is because it impacts on other freedoms, that is freedom from disturbance, at times when, that are used commonly, for most people for rest. You've got children asleep, you've got all the people that you know, don't want to get massive anxiety when they hear next man down the road, blasting his subwoofer and playing his dubstep or whatever, like, and this is something that's often forgotten, forgotten about. There are freedoms to do things and freedom from things. And this is a complex

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discussion and it's, you know, one that's often overlooked, and one that gives rise to the the biggest contentions in a society that just rambles on about freedom all the time. And when you make that a higher value, in and of itself without really allowing the, the, the, you know, the average person or the public to understand that there are, it's not as simple as just shouting freedom from the rooftop. It's much more nuanced than that. You get all of the problems that you sort of getting today, these sort of nincompoops. Yes. This is interesting, because in that essay talks about the positive conception of freedom and liberty, positive conception of rights, and negative conception

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of rights, but even from the Islamic perspective, we don't even need to even talk about those particular issues. We could just say that, well, Islam gives you a set of rights, and it gives you a methodology on how to prioritize those if they conflict. So we could give them a tiny different paradigm of rights, but you're right, too many rights here, but you are right about rights. They can be conflicting and they need to be unpacked.

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For sure, 100%. But what we want to aim to do as well is want to bring them to the Islamic discourse so they could see the world, the way we see the world, that our rights come from Allah, you know, we have this in even our tradition who took a bad the rights of the individual, the rights of the province. And the unique thing about Islamic tradition. We didn't have to evolve this through pain. It was derived from the scholarly tradition that we had the ability to prioritize what rights we have if they conflict, and we understood clearly what rights we had. So you know, when someone says, oh, Islam is not free, because it tells you to do this, like, Well, no, because that's not our right

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to do. That's not our right to do that. Yeah. And we could just say to if that's not our right to do that, then our rights have been violated, therefore we're free. So then we bring them back to the conception of world meet freedom is predicated on rights and we should unpack that by bringing them to the Quran and the sooner from that perspective, but your point use it was brilliant, because people think that you can just do what you want. But in reality, if anyone lives in the council state like I used to live in a council the State Road my friend on the third floor Martin, he's had these massive speakers, bass, you know, drum and bass days, maybe I was a kid, I was a kid. It was

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like, Oh my god, the whole, like the whole estate would like almost vibrate, right? I used to I used to point my speakers out my window because I had this stupid sense in my head that everyone wanted to listen to my music. I'm

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such an idiot, man. I still don't understand how drum and bass is appealing to anyone who has a he has a normal federal and honestly by how he's dropping bass appealing to anyone with a sound federal man. I

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mean, he's like,

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it becomes appealing when your address corrupted.

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Okay, so I used to love I used once upon a time I used to love drum and bass.

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Yeah, absolutely. I sort of dubstep. You know, you can say the bad days in my life. I hope, you know, Allah forgive us for

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sin. But there was a time when I used to listen to this music, it makes you It drives you crazy. There's a reason why this stuff is around.

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It really is bad. You know, it leads to evil things. I'm not I'm not I'm laughing because it reminds me of the university lecture that we both gave one day, I forgot what university was thinking it was.

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I don't know if you allow me to say but I was talking about, you know, you know, he was talking about the the witches that were banned in, in Scotland. They weren't like in the 19th or 20th century or something. And not the last of which that was bad. He was like, you know, The Last Witch that was been the last any and he basically turned the W to be

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like really shocked. Yeah. And he was like, Oh my god, I'm so sorry. This from the government base past I really apologize.

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That was a funny time. You know, that word, that word, which is very often used in raps and r&b music and hip hop music, you know, for women in particular, that becomes part of you becomes your second nature to you there and unfortunately, you know, when you listen to that kind of stuff, you know, and you're basically feeding your soul with that poison. And when you're having when you're having that poison, it does affect your behavior. It makes you well maybe that's not a problem. That's the other problem liberalism, bro.

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It's an offshoot, I mean, all of this hip hop, drum and bass. Okay.

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Housing Gary. I mean, I don't know what are the types of music have come since the since 2000. Since the year 2000. I don't know. Right? mumble rap

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yet? Yeah. Do you know this top is actually a manifestation of liberalism. What's mama rabbit? Well, it's literally what it's

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really people mumbling oh god and call it a wrap.

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I wouldn't like to know.

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But I hope you know I was invited on on a BBC program big questions with Nicky Campbell. And we discussed this point about rap is rap music evil and I was arguing it is evil because the very base is very evil how it started what it represents. And there was another musician there will argue now rap music can have a good use. I said no, we can't have a good use because any rap music which is actually rap, it leads to rape.

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If it leads to rape, obscenity, it literally in some cases, it leads to rape a women seriously there are if you're listening to certain type of raps, you know, they do Li lead to these kinds of crimes. How misogynistic, these these. I mean, the content in the language and the lyrics and how dehumanizing for certain people it is this music and this genre, so we have to be really careful. On that note, I would like to quickly mention also you know Hamza was talking about how liberalism

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And secularism is an offshoot, or is is a product of European experience, and how it has now become a yardstick to beat the whole world, which is unbelievable how this presumption of moral supremacy is considered to be normal. Now, you know, when people are promoting liberalism as if it is the the universal norm for humanity. Now, every single human in the world has to conform to this norm, you have to be liberal, otherwise, you are not human. Right? You You're not advanced or you're not, you're not grown up, civilization is speaking. So this is the peak of human development liberalism is not it is absolutely not, because certain manifestations, some of some of which we have already

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discussed, and some of which we will discuss the new course, they will show you the liberalism is definitely not the final say on human civilization, right? We have a lot of other options that haven't been promoted and considered to that same level, right? liberalism has been promoted by colonial powers. And once they left these countries,

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once colonialism collapsed, and it fell, what did these colonial powers leave behind, they left behind a Eurocentric European, white supremacist

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ideologies to rule these non white non European countries. To this day, a lot of the countries that were colonized in Africa, in Asia, even in South America, they are being forced to adopt liberalism as their norm. Why liberalism is purely a product of the white man when I use the term white man, I don't mean in the racial sense. I mean, in the civilizational sense, it was born in Europe, right? Why do we need to impose a European ideology? Or why do we need to even understand or claim or even accept the notion of the supremacy of liberalism or any European ideology ideology for that matter? We don't impose Islam on people we believe Islam is, is a far more superior, civilizing force than

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any other ideology on the planet. We believe that I believe as a Muslim, okay. Certain people might claim out there that I'm,

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I'm an Islamic supremacist, I'm not. I'm not trying to impose Islam on people. Okay. What I'm trying to say is that I believe in certain things, I believe that Islam may be the best source of civilizing humans, right, because it has a very comprehensive set of teaching, coming from our God and our Prophet. And when once these teachings are adopted, they do lead to civilization of the of the character, the Prophet told us that he came to perfect characters. Allah told us in the Quran that the Prophet came with a very beautiful character. And if you follow Him, even how we eat, how we walk, how we sit, how we treat our parents, how we speak with them, how we can't even raise our

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voices, every single thing, we have instructions on, right, there is no ideology or no set of teachings in human history as comprehensive as Islam. Right. And, and I believe that do I become a supremacist or supremist, Islamic supremacist, if I believe in these things, No, I don't. Because I don't like to impose Islam upon other races, other cultures, other nations, for that matter. It's their choice if they want to adopt, and if it's the choice if they want to leave no problem, but liberalism for some reason has become the standard of norm in the world. And this is something we need to challenge and this is exactly what Sapiens Institute stands for. Okay? freedom in the real

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sense of the word not in its negative manifestations, rather, whatever leads to human progress or to human well being, we believe in that freedom. Okay. So this is something we would like to you know, tell everyone here that brothers sisters, start sharing this live feed so that we can hear these ideas and inshallah get to know our perspective on these matters. And inshallah support our work Sapiens institute.org. forward slash donate live is the link. And don't forget to share the link

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What's your name, sir? I'll

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I mean

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if you've muted

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While they concern.

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My question is that most of the time the secularist ask a question that

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if Islamic law, Sharia law is established in some certain countries, then the people of other religions like, cannot preach their religion or they can't build church temple. So they make to make this contention.

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So they just try to say that Islam is not Islam is forcing others to not to preach their religion because it's dominating you some autocracy, something like this.

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Was there a question with that?

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sounded more like a statement

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saying it and they're making this contention. So what should we say to them that I slam is not not Christian? Yes. So I'm saying

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how do we respond to the contention that Islam is autocracy? Rather, I think what he means by that is like, it's, it's like a dictatorship or it's totalitarian, or it's kind of I think you get the point. So how would you respond to that contention?

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Okay, we're gonna have a go share with one you've been silent for a while. So let's go like this think I think inhibition when I first judoka hair to Brother, I mean for coming on and asking that very good question. I think at the very foundation, let us start by saying that Allah subhana wa Taala, he really, you know, teaches us to have a very deep appreciation, in fact, for human diversity, human differences. Alana Ronnie says, you kind of want to Allah yohannes are people, we created you from a male and a female who made you into nations and tribes, later articles, so you would recognize and know one another. In fact, when when we think about othering, even of like

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religious people, and old people of ethnicities, it's coming when when this becomes really imbalanced. And Allah says, the most noble of you in the eyes of Allah, those who have the most piety of you, one of the beautiful testaments, in fact, of Islamic civilization in salmon history, is the fact that Islam gave a lot of privilege, a lot of rights, in fact, to other people, and not to create the sense of otherness, separation between, you know, self and other other people, but in fact, to create a humaneness, a human society that promoted this, in fact, in his own society of Medina, it's beautiful. In fact, in fact, the way that the Christians and the Jews used to live in a

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with the Muslims, in many examples, with a lot of tourists, a lot of understanding, you can find the fact you know, throughout Islamic civilized Islamic history, the fact that Christians and Jews were never prevented from building places of worship centers of worship, even of teaching, in fact, in the great civilization of Al Andalus, of Islamic Spain, in the you found mosques and synagogues and churches in the same vicinities you found Christians and Muslim schools in the same vicinities Islam therefore, afforded those previous for people simply to live and to exist as other religions in those states without infringing upon the rights of those people. And I think therefore, it's a bit

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of a misnomer to argue therefore that Islam is an advocates anything you know, of the opposite, is not to say that every society is a society is not utopia, you're going to find examples of, you know, of, perhaps, you know, mistreatment in some cases across the entire globe. But at the Foundation, Islam understands human differences. Islam understands that the standard of moral excellence is based upon the paradigm of, of knowing Allah of doing good unto others. And I think about this for example, together many many beautiful Hadith when the President spoke about like for example, when he said our raha moon, or hamama ramen, ramen fell out of their hammock, manifest

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sama, the Merciful ones are those on the old merciful shows mercy towards Be merciful with those on the earth, the one and a half will be much for lunch, you mean that all people that's whatever reasons they are, but to have a standard of mercy about you, and Islamic Society. An interesting thing, in fact, is that when when the Crusades were launched in 1095, and they arrived by 1099, you know, it's interesting that in the Muslim world in bloody shaman theory, you already had Christians, native Christians living with the Muslims, already living in the Muslim, they had their own monasteries and the nunneries at their own churches. And one of the interesting things is the fact

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that the native Christians did not always support the Crusaders against the Muslims. Oftentimes, in fact, they sided with the Muslims because they realized We've been living in a good sense of justice with the Muslims for centuries. But you coming from

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Europe, you have no Muslims living in Europe to understand well, this is what Islam actually is. And so as an aberration of their own of their own faith, and as many examples like that, I think it's a good examples, of course, for sure canon could mention in terms of Mughal India, which is, of course, another example as well. But I think the key, the key, the key point to to hit on is the fact that this verses in the Quran Of course, emphasizing like Crawford Dean is no compulsion in religion, women, Sherman coming, whoever Allah says amongst you wants to believe that unbeliever over just believes that I'm this believe everything, of course, is just we're alone in the next

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life. And that human beings, we are a complex mesh, right. We're a complex mesh of all kinds of people, including, of course, religious persuasions, but Islam does not promote antagonism towards others for the sake of who they are. But the fact is, some promotes, you know, living with a sense of conciliation and goodwill is interesting and forcing landlords, they call this experience the kind of events here, which means the coexistence between these different religious groupings.

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There's a lot going on. And just to very quickly add to that beautiful response you have given to the answer. One of the things I want to quickly highlight is, what standard are we using to judge the Sharia law? Or the history of Islam? Are we using liberalism as a yardstick to judge Islam? And would that be a fair approach to apply? Why can we not take Islamic civilization on his own terms, let Islam speak for itself, rather than using alien ideologies, in some cases, white supremacist

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Eurocentric ideologies to judge Islam and the entire Islamic history for that matter. Even the European history itself will not stand up to the scrutiny. And we were to apply modern liberal standards to the evolution of European Society for the last less, let's say, 1000 years. There is not a century that will stand up to scrutiny. Right? So we have to really judge a system and, or a dynasty for, for that matter, by the times it was experiencing or the times it was living in, let's say, right. So anachronism is another mistake a lot of people make is that they use the modern, fully developed, when I say fully developed, I mean, you know, modern standards of human rights or

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modern standards of expectations.

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on people who lived in the past, they didn't live our lives, they didn't have our luxuries are our sense of ease. They didn't have our comfort, the comfort we have today, right now I'm sitting in an air conditioned room, right? with light and with with a laptop in front of me and all these things. Okay. If I start to insult, let's say, King Henry the Eighth, okay. The fat man didn't have any laptop, he didn't have the electricity we have didn't have the food on his table. I have, okay, therefore, he was a barbarian. Would that be fair? No, that would be fair. Okay, that would be insulting to the English people, that would be insulting to English history, that would be insulting

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to what we know today as the English identity because it the identity itself came about after a long process of development, right? So that you have to really judge the history, or the history of a civilization by considering the times

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the civilized civilizations went through, for example, you know, there was a lot of change, there was a lot of there, there were a lot of challenges to be civilizations for them to read this far. Okay, so this is something I wanted to quickly highlight that we shouldn't use one

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alien or for example, something, something we have come to believe in today, as a standard to judge people, people of the past number one, number two, we shouldn't be anachronistic about history, you know, when we are talking about the people of the past.

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rare that you're going to find an organization that's going to be actually willing to take on these liberal concepts head on

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in a non general way, but very specifically, and actually, you know, really articulate a positive case for the Islamic tradition, at the same time show the kind of philosophical, practical flaws of the second liberal tradition. Because some people have the hands tied, or some people think that it's not a right strategy. But I think, you know, if you look at atheism, for example, and Mohammed hijab, he did a piece on this. atheism, the rise of atheism was not necessarily because of any type of philosophical thinking. It was actually as a result of liberalism. And there is a connection between liberalism from especially in the UK context from post 1950s 1960s onwards. And you have

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this basically, kind of

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this religiosity, he wasn't even a hard philosophical atheist, it was more like, Oh, I don't need God anymore. And there was connections and even doctors manatee wrote a piece on affluence and atheism. So there's a link between affluence, liberalism and atheism, the affluence obviously creates this kind of false sense of self sufficiency. So you don't think that you're dependent on anyone, and therefore, you don't think you're ultimately dependent on God. And it makes it gives you this sense of hubris and ego and E. And that is a barrier to divine mercy and grace. And that would be a barrier for you acknowledging the divine in the first place. And also liberalism facilitate

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this kind of understanding of you know, there was this so called progress and liberal values replace traditional religious values. So liberalism, in a way became the replacement religion. And the people thought, Well, why don't need the church him or don't read religion anymore. I don't need these things anymore. I have this kind of, you know, collective liberal society that's taking me somewhere, whether it's from an athlete's point of view or values point of view. And, you know, it's given me this set of I could do what I want, right, this Nazi thing. So liberalism actually is one of the main causes for for atheism, there's not anything in particular philosophical, and this has

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been substantiated by some research. So what we need to do if you want to solve the atheism problem, then maybe stop talking about philosophical naturalism and scientism, which are important things to do, of course, because every drop raises the ocean, but go straight to the main kind of ideological cause behind these things, which is liberalism itself. And that's why it's so important to talk about these topics, brothers and sisters, you know, support sapiens, Sapiens Institute org forward slash donate live, don't wait for the last 10 days of Ramadan, you don't know if you're gonna have money, it could be taken away from you like this. And you don't know if you're gonna have life, life

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satisfy the question. So support Sapiens institute.org forward slash, donate live dot sharing the link and start supporting inshallah, let's go to the next question. Most of please go ahead, ask your question. Briefly. inshallah. salaam aleikum wa rahmatullah. So I just wanted to make a quick comment and lead to a question. So like, usually my discussion with liberals, I noticed that they automatically assume that liberalism is like an axiom, like, there's these these like, post colonial racist undertones, it's like my position is right. And they give no logical argumentation for that a lot of the time is

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defined in a very, very circular value dependent way. Where is liberal if I say it's liberal? So, you know, for example, a lot of the horrible things that the terrorists will do, like, for example, ISIS or al Qaeda, right, like torture techniques, that the CIA will engage in the same activities. But then it's funny that that's justified not only by them, but the population, because liberalism is defined under their paradigm. So under that way, it's a catch 22. Like, there's no way around it is what is right, like, Whatever I do is right, which I find a bit annoying, but I'm gonna ask you, do you think that

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we're on a trajectory of liberalism in the whole world, including the Muslim world? Or do you think there's a reversion back traditional values, because I'm seeing contradictory statistics everywhere, in places I'm seeing like a reversion back to traditional roles. And then of places I see like, how they talk about what everyone's good, everything is going to become liberal. So

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yeah, it's funny, you mentioned that as well, because there was studies that showed that

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when asked whether or not, for example, like quite questionable things could sometimes be justified, for example, the military attacking

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the the public, or like, certain torture techniques. And it was very often the case that liberal countries or Western countries would vote higher, that it was sometimes justified. And then when they asked Muslim majority countries, it was always dominantly, like very high and never justified.

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Which is obviously quite ironic considering in the media when they tried to push a certain view of Islam, they always tried to make it look like Islam justifies the the torturing of innocent people, or the attacking of the public, and that that really isn't the case. And with regards to whether or not there's a

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Can you repeat the the last question, again, the inclination or a rise in liberalism, or

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when address Roma stuff? Oh, yeah, sorry. I was gonna say, Do you think there's a trajectory towards liberalism in the world in general? Or do you think there's like a reversion back to traditional values? So yeah, that's a really good question. Because the one of the things we need to keep in mind here is the population is skyrocketing, skyrocketing. So when you're saying you're seeing contradictory statistics, it's very likely that what you're seeing is that there's a very large percent of the population or a very large number, we don't have to look at a percentage. But there's large numbers of people that are inclining towards liberalism. I think that is a fact. But there are

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also very large numbers of people that are

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rejecting it, and inclining towards traditionalism. And because populations are so high, you can see large numbers of people doing this. And there's also also the issue with

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Wait, who are they asking? And you know, for example, when their news

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certain news channel puts a survey out, they often have their own political bent or their own particular political leaning. So when they do surveys, the people that are answering them, generally tend to be leaning a particular way, politically already. And then you'll see another news channel, they'll put out a survey, and they'll have an opposite political leaning, and they'll ask their viewers, what do you think x y, Zed, and again, it'll sort of Express very high percentages leaving but that's less a an expression of the percentage of the populace at large, but more and who they're asking and the type of people that watch certain channels and or, you know, where they're asking

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things like that. So, I think yeah, it is probably paradoxically a bit of both that you are seeing a rise in it worldwide.

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Just simply because they've, you know, they've got Hollywood, they've got

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access to a lot of the media that people are sort of sinking their teeth into now. And as you see, the world sort of increased their use of the Internet, and more and more people are getting access to online, that these ideas will be in every home almost. And it's not so much that borders like they used to offer a wall, or a protection to people from certain sort of thinking

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that you know, that with the internet, these walls are sort of penetrable through the computer screen through and but it works both ways. So you're gonna have a rise in liberalism in places you wouldn't typically see it. But you'll also see the rise of things like Islam, like you are at the moment in places like the UK, in South America and Africa, because of the internet, because of this very same thing that where you create a bridge, people can cross both ways.

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So yeah, it's, it's going to be a complex picture to look at going into the future, I think, because of the internet. And because of high population rates.

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People need to understand that, you know, the state or the political entity is always going to use basically,

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the influence of proxies in society to disseminate ideas, and

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even the education systems, like even the media is used for that. Even for example, you know, different issues. So and, and obviously, within that the there'll be a scope of them differing and saying, look, you know, we're about free ideas, but there is a scope. And when you go outside of that, for example, if you challenge the kind of fundamental basis of liberalism, or the fundamental base of some of these ideas, you'll be dismissed, and you'd be silenced. Right. And so you have to understand that this is a state thing, this is an ideological thing. So a kind of state entity will use the influence of structures and institutes and organizations and, and whatever, and sources of

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influence within a particular society to push that ideology to push those ideas. And, you know, just as a person, the proofs in the pudding, right, look what's happened the past 15 years, since the advent of the Internet, look, what kind of ideas have been pushed, what kind of

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philosophy has been disseminated is affecting the hearts and minds of our youth. This is why, you know, we have to use any legal and ethical means necessary to create that pushback.

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Because, you know, our lighthouse mentoring service, for example, which we will pay it with, with with request to August, I believe, you know, we get people who who are, who have, who are basically a product of, of what's been happening for the past 10 to 20 years. And lots of parents who have lost their children, you know, they've lost their children, they haven't died, but their souls have died in a way they've left Islam, or they've adopted a completely different alien worldview, and so on and so forth. And that's because of what's been happening recently. So we need to have that kind of pushback.

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And we, the way that we can do it from a Sapiens sgw perspective, is to create strong leaders to be able to create the kind of movement and leadership where people could take Islamic values much more seriously. And they could see the flaw in the kind of alien ideologies that are based on untruth that based on falsity, and they actually lead humanity down, this kind of down the down this path of destruction of moral decay, moral destruction. So this is why it's so important to support us brothers and sisters, Sapiens institute.org, forward slash donate lives, brothers, sisters, the donations are apparently very slow. I can understand why because a lot of people may be waiting for

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over to you with the Hamza. I think we have answered but the most of us question exactly, exactly.

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Mr. v. What's going on Mr. v?

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Yeah, I have a Can you guys hear me? Okay. Yes, we can. Okay, perfect. I'm just on my phone right now. Um, yeah, I have a question. I put it in the chat too.

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So I was just watching a video about. So he was

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I forget his name, but he is a person of faith. And he was talking about descriptive truths.

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There's only really such thing as just descriptive truth, and nothing really a universal book that is true for all people. So I guess what I mean by that, like even in the faith, you have different sects of Islam, like you have the Sunni and the Shia, and he also have different cultures. But at the same time,

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the Quran is known as the ultimate truth, the be all end all. But even within the faith, there is

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different descriptive truths. So how could somebody

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like, you know, claim ultimate truth for all peoples? Like, how can everybody believe in the same thing, like what things should we believe? Like? I guess you could say, What's like the ultimate truth? Like, like, Is there a thing that you can point to like the Christians when they say, the ultimate truth is the Trinity? hope that makes sense? Yeah, that's very good. So from it. So to summarize this from an Islamic perspective, what we would say is that the ultimate truth is of the source of the ultimate truth is actually the Quran, the prophetic traditions, okay, and understanding of the early generations and the classical scholars. So that is the source of the

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ultimate truth. Now, when you look at the sources of the ultimate truth, you have things that you what you consider non negotiables. So for example, in Islamic tradition, you have what you call the six pillars of faith, the six pillars of man, wish to believe in God in His angels, in his prophets, in his books, and in Divine Decree, and predestination, the hereafter and so on and so forth. So these are things that will be will be considered a non negotiable is also the Quran give us an understanding of this, that Allah talks about in Solomon, you have verses that are like the foundation of the religion, the foundation of the book, and they are an ambiguous but you have other

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verses, they are ambiguous. And so from this perspective, when you start to understand that there are certain things that are like non negotiable, the absolute, there's no differences of opinion, this is what you would call

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the Absolute Truth. Now, the other things they come from an absolute source, but there are valid differences of opinion, there are valid differences. Now, some people claim a valid difference when it isn't a valid difference, but that's a different discussion. But as a concept, you need to understand that there are there is a scope of interpretation and what's very interesting

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Islam also in his jurisprudence has this concept of auth now often means kind of social custom. And in certain cases, we apply our, the moral values of Islam. And in certain cases, they can be adapted in the context of social customs. Okay. So it's it's a very nuanced kind of

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ethical system if you like. It's like virtue ethics in a way we consider the kind of moral variables. So I don't know if that helps. So just to summarize, that we believe that the source of ultimate truth is the Quran, the prophetic traditions, and the understanding of that, by the early pious predecessors and the classic scholars. And that's the source and within the sources, meaning the Quran and the Sunnah, you have non negotiable absolute truths in terms of the way we understand them, like the six pillars of faith, you know, we're not going to invent a seventh pillar of faith, or we're not going to reject one of them. And there is an understanding of each of those pillars of

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faith. And also we understand this as well from a Quranic perspective on God talks about, there are certain verses that are foundation of the book, and they are basically an ambiguous and there are other verses that they are ambiguous. So and that gives us an understanding of there are certain things are very clear cut and other things that that it's allowed within the scope of differing. Now, there's not time to unpack on what is the kind of avec de la was the was the kind of etiquette of deferring, what is the scope of deferring, and so on and so forth. That's not for us to discuss right now. But I just wanted to give you that concept, in order to understand the question, I've

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answered this, assuming that you're a Muslim, if you're not a Muslim, then the question is, and we have to basically try and find out what is the Quran the truth and is the Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu, it has defined a prophet, and we would argue that there are many positive arguments to show why God exists, why he is uniquely one, why He is worthy of worship by the Quran is from the divine, and why the Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu idealism is actually to find the Prophet. And once we could show that as the truth, that whatever comes from this truth is true. The other thing I need to just final just to make you realize that you need to understand that just because a kind of a

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system or or a just because a truth,

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or the the foundation of truth, or the source of truth, produces maybe values or morals or a system that can be misinterpreted, or that can be for example, applied in in a particular social context. And therefore, a may have different kinds of manifestations of those values, that it doesn't mean it's not true anymore. They just it doesn't, it doesn't it doesn't logically follow. And what the beauty of Islam is, is actually appreciate that in within its legal ethical system, it tailors for you know, certain social norms in particular cases with particular criteria, of course, and it also caters for a scope of interpretation. And at the same time, it also emphasizes on the things that

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are non negotiable, and that can be established without any differences of opinion. Does that make sense?

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Yeah, yeah, I know. It was a very nuanced question. I think you really answered it really well. I appreciate you listening in and answering it honestly. They have a lot and Yeah, I am. I am a practicing Muslim. And happy Ramadan to all of you follows face to face. Then I bless you. Thank you so much for your question. Brothers and sisters again to remind you Sapiens institute.org. forward slash donate live is the link Sapiens Institute has done wonderful work in the last nine months. As I mentioned earlier, 6000 people have been trained to defend Islam and to share Islam intellectually developed, and 33 academic remet, our Savior Sapiens has developed 33 academic webinars delivered 10

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I'll get to my question very straightaway. I belong from Bangladesh. And to acknowledge the very truth here in Bangladesh, people are very much religiously, I mean, very much sentimental about their own religion be Islam or Hindu or any, any religion, any religion. It is. My question is, in my teenage days, I was used to listen to Mr. Kinnick who was very much you know, very, very good at you know, aligning Islam with science. So, in those days, I was also very sentimental with my own religion, I always got used to happy to see my own religion to be scientifically correct and all that, you know, but the problem was, subconsciously, somehow I was very much used to consider

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science to be the yardstick of truth. Because, you know, you can understand that fact. But in when I got to the university, and I started, you know, I mean, by that time, in my teenage days, I was very much sure that Islam is the truth. There's no problem with it, no doubt about it. But by the time I got into university and I started thinking much more into it, I when I get to see some kind of an, you know, irrelevance with science and some kind of, you know,

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elements with science, I got a bit shocked. And from then on, actually, I got a very much a bit confused that what should be the yardstick of truth for a Muslim? Because it's interesting.

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Yeah. So, this is the basic question that for anybody, for anybody who may be been individually is Muslim or

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non Muslim what should be the basic basis of truth? And I have another question very, very short guys. I have a very I have a German friend who is a photographer and ones I was having a chat with him about religion and he told me one thing that

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why do we Why do we need religion because we can figure out by our self that what works well for our society and for ourselves that if we keep loving each other and if we keep helping each other, then there is no need of religion. So it doesn't mean that I by their thoughts, but the thing is, I couldn't just respond to that contention. So again, my basic two points induction. Okay, so first question is why do we need science? Or can we use science as a yardstick to get to the truth? Okay. Especially when science appears to contradict some religious ideas. And the second question is why do we need religion is unlisted around? If he's not, then we can quickly take this question in sha

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Allah. So science keeps shifting polls, and share with mine can also have his July's turn to answer this question. As we know, science today, science is not static. Okay? It's not even a moral standard science. Science doesn't tell you what is good and what is bad. science doesn't tell you murder is bad. science doesn't tell you. It doesn't tell you that adultery is bad. For example, lying or cheating is bad. Science simply explains how the world works. Okay? So and it also keeps shifting polls, scientific methods, and the philosophy of science is very important for us to understand and study that highlights how

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science cannot be used to know. You know, the ultimate truth or let's say our moral values cannot come from science.

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Because Science is not a static set of ideas. It keeps changing. Okay, every century for example, Newton science is not science today. Strictly speaking, the science of everyone hate them, let's say is not science today, strictly speaking, the science of our costumers. Dharavi from Spain's who invented it surgical instruments, strictly speaking is not science today, science has moved on. And I'm pretty sure in the next century, science will move on even further. Okay, and the century after science will be something different to our science. So they'll probably look back at us and say, oh, they're these guys are COVID. And they couldn't even treat it, they will laugh at us. They said

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these idiots. They couldn't even treat COVID right. And back in the day, you know, like we laugh at people who couldn't treat tuberculosis, right? People would die from tuberculosis TB, what we call TB, right? So science keeps changing, it keeps moving. Okay, so we can't use something like that as a yard yardstick that keeps changing and keep moving. While our moral values are static. They don't change with weather, we don't change. When we move to Rome, let's say you know when when someone said do as do in Rome as Romans do, no, we don't believe in that. We believe in the idea that to in Rome as Muslims do, okay, or as Islam teaches you to do, okay, we don't change our

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psychology or our way of thinking, by the change in weather or by the change in scientific ideas or scientific methods and scientific or the philosophy of science for that matter. That's my brief answer, share with mine You want to ever take on that inshallah. Thank you. Thank you so much for coming on. And answering your your great questions. I pray goodness, for the people of Bangladesh, who may Allah make you, you know, one of one of the great leaders in all of Bangladesh.

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I think that, you know, she can I mentioned all the good points about the fact that we can't use science as a yardstick because the fact that science is developmental, it's developing and of course, science tells us a lot about the what of our, of our universe of our Cosmos of our being. But science has not answered the question about the why. And that's really where, where we where we need to stop, because remember that we are all of course, observing our own realities. You know, we are in some ways, scientists are in and of ourselves, and the fact that we're seeing ourselves observing ourselves, we're seeing changes in ourselves. I mean, everyone's getting older, you're

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seeing this changes in yourselves. All of that, of course, is about your, your intuition, your observation of life of experiences, you're using your senses.

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And this is teaching us a lot about the fact that we are if I if I, if I learned that Ron gives us this example and says that the life of this world is playing amusement and, and pomp and competition and, you know, and rivalry, like the example of you know, of a farmer comes to his Earth, and he's so impressed with his crops growing, but then they began to begin to wither away, and then they die. And the human being in fact is like that. So we're self observing ourselves in our our developmental changes in life. But none of this would would teach us about why that's the key question the question about it.

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Islam and about the faith of Islam is about questions about why. Right, you might see something remarkable observation, you might see something remarkable experimentation taking place. But the question is the why the why of life is a fundamental question, right? All of these things, in fact, pointers to good are in the Quran. Of course, it's not a book about science per se. The Quran is a book about instruction, the Quran is a book about guidance. But the Quran points us towards looking at the world and the cosmos and thinking and deeping and reflecting deeply about things happening around us. And each of these things should should make us more solidified in our faith, because the

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questions about the Y are being answered. Right? The fundamental purpose of man's existence is predicated on the fact that he's, he's a conscious human being. And even if you think about that for a second, about consciousness, What is consciousness? What is it? Because for atheists, it's a big it's a troubling issue. What exactly is our consciousness, something that is intangible something that you can't touch? Right, but what is it? How does it emerge in that in that human being, right, how does empathy I've spent the last?

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Let's say, I don't know. I mean, 12, nine years, I think, studying empathy. You know, I have 100. Now, my second book being published now by Springer, on empathy. I have one which is available for free as a download on Sapiens. org website called on being human how Islam addresses othering, demonization and empathy. And I'll tell you something, how do we explain that? How do we explain those emotions that are so you know, embedded in human being in human consciousness that they relate to create this amazing

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display of displays of affection of love, of empathy, of closeness and, and these kinds of things? It isn't there's no way that science could answer these questions. But remember, even when we begin to look deeply into these questions, it's not about just a certain superfluous, you know, examining of observed observable events. It's about how these observable events direct us towards the Creator of all things. And that is Allah subhanho wa Taala, in fact, is beautiful. And then in the Quran, Allah mentions this is really beautiful. I think it's really a moron. I think it is that Allah says that in the few Hulk is similar to the elite in the creation of the heavens and the earth. And the

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alteration of night and day are Signs for people who reflect and think deeply. But then Allah tells us who those people are. You see if it simply stopped at that point, and it's about amazing. This is amazing. Look at what's actually happening without them thinking about the next verse And Allah says those are the ones led near the Quran, Allah bayamo. Corrado allege and obey Him. They are the ones who remember Allah standing, sitting and lying down, right? That means they're engaged. They're the whole focus on the meta, this thing that I'm observing about the word is teaching me leading me towards the why of all existence, the why of all life. And then then I love them again, says, Wait a

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sec, Karuna v. Holocaust. And then they think deeply about the question of the heavens and the earth. So that's the whole point. Everything should be predicated on understanding our human purpose, our human reason, the reason for our very being in the first place. And I think that that's really where we're science, it should be leading us. I think you mentioned a second question, but I just can't remember what it was.

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I can quote, The second question was, why do we need religion? Why do we need religion? To know the truth and to know, goodness, we can be just good. We can just be helping each other Be kind to each other? Yes. That's good. That's a good question. But see, even in this respect, and that that yardstick also changes and is and is developmental. We believe in an objective morality. objective. Morality means therefore, that our sense of knowing what is right and wrong, has to be based not only not on, you know, people deciding these things amongst themselves and in a parliament, for example, or in a Congress or in some kind of a court. But this is coming, the divine, the maker, the

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originator, the creator, the Supreme the being Allah subhanaw taala This is Allah, the necessary cause of all things, Allah subhana wa Taala would instruct us about the Paramount parameters of, of human existence, human life of what is good and what is what is not good. What is evil, right. That's that's the safest way of understanding these questions. Because otherwise it becomes very subjective. very subjective, it becomes, you know, I mean, because if we speak about, it's just about me, me needing to be good. For example, how do we define what that goodness actually is? Different cultures could believe in different things being actually good. You might even find that

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the the paradox you might find you might find evil

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One people might Rogozin be evil. And others might say, in fact, that's a good thing because they have a, you know, twisted mindset, or they have diseases of the heart, for example. And all of these things, therefore would complicate, and confound and clouded issues. Whereas if we believe that good is coming from the source of all goodness, which is God Himself, Allah is the good one. And Allah, you know, teaches humankind, mankind about what is good for them to do, then that, of course, is the way that we believe what we believe to believe I think that's very important we stick to this principle, that the source of our goodness, is Quran, the source of truth is Allah. Right? And what

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comes from Allah, if Allah is true, then what comes from Allah is also true. And that's really where we should put our put our point. You're not a logger and doctors, man, may Allah bless you. Thank you so much for those responses, brother Hamza. Very quickly, I would like to have your take on these two questions. Question number one is, can science determine the truth? Do we need science? Or if science contradicts religion? Apparently, any, anytime? If it does? What do we do?

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Because this comes as a challenge to many people. That's question number one. Question number two is why do we need religion we can both just be good to each other, we can help we can be compassionate. And that's it. We don't need religion. So very quickly.

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Give me answers to both questions.

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Yes, Bismillah. Wait, it depends what you mean by truth. Now, what science can give you is scientific truth, which means what, which means they could give you scientific conclusions, or workable theories that make good predictions that are well confirmed. And they can make sense of the physical reality. But can for example, science give you you know, an understanding of the kind of explanation for ultimate reality? Can it basically give you an explanation for non physical realities? Of course, not, because it's a particular method has a particular scope. So

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science can't give you the truth of the capital T, what science can give you is an estimated understanding of the actual state of affairs, meaning they could basically scientific conclusions or theories, can ones that are well confirmed and they have predictive power, they can basically give you an approximation of the truth of the physical world. And that's it. So can it can it do things like you know, you know, deny God? Of course not, because that's a metaphysical truth. You know, God is not of this universe. He is transcendent, as Abbas's and basic chemistry he Shay, you know, can science deal with, you know, subjective consciousness, you know, the hard problem of consciousness

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has has so shown that the physical sciences cannot basically explain the two main questions in the hard problem of conscious consciousness, such as, what is it like for particular, conscious organisms have an inner subjective conscious experience? And how does that particular conscious organism have that inner subjective conscious experience? And how does that arise from seemingly cold, non physical, non conscious stuff? But there's more to unpack there. But yeah, so, you know, use the scientific method as it should be used, which is to understand how things work really, in essence, and to try and find explanations for how things work.

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And to understand physical phenomena. And even when you try and you discover a, a truth, like a theory, in science, a theory has a high epistemic value. If the if the theory is well confirmed, and it has predictive power, then you know, you should accept it practically. But if it goes against anything in the Islamic creed, you don't have to worry, of course, no, of course, you don't have to worry why. Because even if you're a realist, or an anti realist or an instrumentalist, from a scientific perspective, you still gonna, you're still going to understand, you should understand if you've studied this property that theories can change. Even Richard Dawkins says this in his book, a

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devil's chaplain, and he's like evangelical when it comes to the Darwinian mechanism. He says, In the future, we can have feature understanding observations that can

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change Darwinism altogether. Well, we can do, it could basically undermine it, we could just throw it all in the bin.

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You know, we could we could reject Darwinism altogether. And the reason they say this because science is progressive meaning its basic method is the inductive inference, or induction, where as you move from the known to the unknown from the limited observations to an unknown observation, for example, if you observed 1000 white sheep, you may conclude the next sheep is going to be why all sheep are white. Now we know that's not necessarily true. It's a probabilistic type of reasoning because you can have always another observation that can contradict your current conclusions, which were based on limited observations.

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That changes over time we've seen that in the history of science and even when something works, it doesn't necessarily mean it's true. And we see this from the history of science, even logically speaking, that, that when things used to work, they produce truths. But we eventually found out that those theories that were working were actually false. So

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if you can't reconcile a scientific truth, in this case, the scientific theory that's well confirmed it has predictive power. With revelation, if you can't reconcile at all, you do not reject religion, Islam, because it's come from a source that knows everything, Allah is Al Hakim, and any he is the knowing and he is the wise Allah has the picture, we just got the pixel. And even though the thing that may go against Islam, hypothetically, is well confirmed has predictive power. It shouldn't be a means to undermine religion. Well, what you could do because you understand the flux and the dynamism of science, you can basically accept it practically but not in your creed, saying, this is

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the best thing we have as human beings and we're developing a we may find something that is more in line with revelation in the future. So it's not necessarily a huge problem, but there are there is hardly anything that I can think of that is irreconcilable with Islamic tradition. And that's how amazing the Quran and Sunnah are because they are multi layered and multi leveled, meaning the words that describe natural phenomena in the Quran and the Sunnah have many layers of acceptable meaning in the classical tradition, and each layer of meaning can address different understandings over time, a lot of the Quran is timeless from that perspective. It's multi level and multi layered. What

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was the other question? The other question was, do we need religion when we can be good to each other? We don't? Do we need religion to instructors? and goodness? Okay, well, that's good. Well, there's a problem with the question because you use the word good. That means you, you must have an external understanding of what good means you must have your own particular conception of what is good, or you're assuming a universal. Now, yes, we do believe as Muslims, there is a universal basic type of objective truth, objective moral truths and objective moral values for sure. Like, you shouldn't kill innocence, you shouldn't steal, and so on and so forth. But life is far more

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complicated than that, for sure. You know, you have ethics and morals, you know, permeating every aspect of society for all that the top from governance, even from, you know, the lower aspects of society, it permeates all of society. So the thing is, what good are you talking about? How do you define good? Yes, we can agree on certain basics. But what about applied morality? You know, when there's certain moral variables or certain priorities that we have to juggle? Who is the yardstick who who is where do we go to prioritize those moral values, you know, who where do we go to give us guidance, more guidance, in order to understand what we should do in a particular situation. Now,

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you're saying this be good to everyone with all due respect is very nice. And it's very, you know, beautiful, but it's naive. It's socially and morally naive, because in reality, it just doesn't work that way. You need a reference, some people have, you know, their own normative ethical theories like ethical hedonism or areas attenion virtue ethics, or deontological ethics. So whatever the case may be consequentialism, they're going to refer to that or combination of those in order to actually prioritize the moral values, and actually, and, and act in a particular way that they think is right. But that means they refer to a reference point, we have our own moral epistemology as well.

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We have a more meta ethics and we believe morality comes from God directly His divine commands, which is in line with his with his nature, which means it's in line with the fact that he is the source of all goodness, he is the master for the lowing, etc. But we also believe we also have our own moral epistemology, and that more epistemology is yes, on a basic level, our intuitions are federa on a very basic level, but it means he also is the Quran and the Sunnah, we go to the Quran and the prophetic traditions to teach us how to act in a particular way with certain more variables. And it gives us the principles that we can apply to unprecedented moral phenomena or social

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phenomena or or life's affairs. So we derive more principles and specific moral solutions and so on and so forth from this yardstick, this reference point, which is the Quran and the Sunnah. So the question we should raise now is, how do you know the Quran and the Sunnah actually, the yardstick to follow? That's a good question. But we could prove that to be true, we could show the Quran is from Allah, and we could show the Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu, ala who seem to be the final prophet, and if we can show that then whatever they say, is obviously true from that perspective. So, you know, that questions assumes a particular understanding of what goodness is yes, we agree on a basic level

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of goodness or human beings, as Paul Offit throws what Islam teaches, but life is more complicated than that, when it comes to governance when it comes to social interaction, when it comes to things having different moral variables, how to, you know, when there are competing moral values, how do you prioritize them and so on and so forth. This requires an ethical theory and normative ethical theory was in the West, you will probably, you know, the predominant

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ethical theories of deontological ethics and maybe ethical hedonism or utilitarianism or consequentialism. But in Islamic tradition, we have the Quran and the Sunnah. And we derive principles of values that are timeless from that. And we have specific solutions for specific situations as well. And we and we believe in that to be true, because we have a whole philosophy we have ontological commitments, in, that we can actually unpack, but there's no need to unpack it right now for the questions I have. Thank you so much rounds, I hope, brother Mui, your questions have been answered quite extensively. Thank you so much for asking your question. May Allah bless

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currently publishing his second book, first book was on the history of crusades. The second book is on human suffering or empathy.

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Hamza brother Hamza, Mashallah. He's postgraduate in philosophy for the sambal Ahmed, who works with SAP Institute is also about to start his PhD on philosophy of science where the hijab Mashallah is on his third or fourth Master's in theology, and no, no support support is already in the PhD program. He's been doing work, a lot of work about martial law, so he's already a student, PhD candidate. So these are the kinds of people who are part and parcel of this work. We're trying to defend the intellectual boundaries of Islam, and not compromising the tradition of Islam. We're not watering down Islam, we're not giving away our face. We're not giving up any of the models that have

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If that's what your name is, right. Okay. You can ask your question inshallah. Go ahead. Very quickly.

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Yeah.

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Hello, can you hear me? Yes. Go ahead. I would like to ask him a question here.

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Yes, go ahead. Your life? Ask please.

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Okay, it seems we have lost that gentleman. Half is Salam Alaikum on I'm from the US. And I think I only on joined your stream, because I think it's very pertinent. I live in the most liberal city in the world. I live in New York City. So I'm, what's funny is that I grew up with the law. I didn't grow up with much Muslims, I grew up with questions I grew up with an atheist. And this one contention always came to me is the concept of morality on there, like we could come up with our own morality. And they give me like, different ideas that Oh, it's like, rather hundreds of said it's empathy. arm is based on consequences. And then when it comes to these types of arguments, right.

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Like, I don't know how to, like how to counter them, like all mindef just like the basics there. But what's funny is that I can't I'm not very good at coming with defensive questions. I don't try to debate with people. That's not my job. Because I'm just a layman. I don't know enough to debate. But when people come up to me, I'm, I always stumble away when I come up with atheists, right? Because there are sometimes like, they come up with these type of logical arguments, like logical

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ontological arguments that I can't come up with. But what's funny is that when all my Christian comes up to me, because I'm, I could I'm not really faced by it.

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So how do I deal with like, dealing with atheists? I know this is brother, like specialty. So that's why I can?

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Yeah, very good question. I mean, I think I would refer to my previous answer, if they give you a normative ethical theory. So for example, look at the consequences and so on and so forth.

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You just have to say to all why, why should I choose that it may be coherent, to certain degree, although we don't have time to discuss this, but you know, things like consequentialism, unethical hedonism, and so on and so forth. They all have their flaws, the philosophical flaws, but not withstanding, just go to the very basic point,

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even if your ethical theory seems to work, okay, based on its own assumptions, the point here is, I'm interested in truth. And I believe that if God created the universe, and He created you and me, and he's commanded something that is, then you better believe is true, because God is Albar, he is the source of goodness. Now, he's external to the university can make the universal moral claim. And, you know, his commands by virtue of who he is, are going to be true from a moral perspective and otherwise, so you should just say to them, fine, you could have you know, we have empathy to the person, someone was one of the most empathic individuals on this planet. He was the most merciful

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and the most empathic. Now, you could have your moral theory, but I, you know, immediate coherent to a certain degree, but I'm interested in what is right and what is true.

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And even if you talk about consequences, who knows the full consequences? We don't know the full consequences of our actions is actually a huge, a huge sense of arrogance to think that I know how am I action and now my more actions

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the rest of society in 510 15 and 20 years, we just they just don't know is is is still based on assumptions, they have epistemic limitations.

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And even from a kind of consequentialist point of view, you could say, well, God knows what the consequences, he knows what he has the picture, we just got the pixel. But not not withstanding, bro, just say to him, this is what Allah says, Look, I'm gonna say it's true by virtue of where they've come from. And then that shifts the discussion from, you know, an ethical theory to more foundational questions such as well, Does God Exist? And is the Quran true? And is the person true? Because if you could, you could, if you could iron that out, if you could show to them that these things are true, then whatever comes from truth is true. Right?

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Yeah. And also, um, I know that. Does that make sense? It does make sense it does. But I also have another contention and it's not what atheist it's actually what Muslims themselves.

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It's what most like I respect my Arabic teachers, like wholeheartedly modula bless those brothers. But um, this is something I always kind of struggled with the concept of

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God, like on who created God, and then brother he job martial law broke bless this. Brother. I wish I was there with the David would to be but I had school that day. So

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this concept of the arm, what you might call it Kalam cosmological argument, I want to know why most Muslims are so against kalaam. Like it's especially athletes. They're so against Calum? Why is this?

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Well, that's not necessarily true. So let me let me give you a principle rule. The Dean is very principled here. And this is one of the messages and blessings of a lot. When you look at the Quran and the Sunnah and the teachings of the pious predecessors. You see, you could develop principles. Okay. So let me just give you a very quick principle.

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What, what the people what the classical tradition of the early Muslims they didn't like Kalam

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with regards to a blameworthy, kind of what was the blame, where the Kalam a blame where the elmaleh Kalam was the Kalam but you have assumptions and presuppositions and premises that cannot be found in the Quran and Sunnah? Because they knew if you develop a philosophical or theoretical position about something, and you don't refer in some way to the Quran and Sunnah, or it's not premise or in the Quran, and Sunnah you don't have to know that it was values, as, as its assumptions, at least that was that's going to create is you're going to create answers and solutions, philosophical solutions are going to contradict key parts of theology. And they had other issues that could create

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a lot of doubt and so on and so forth. So it wasn't all of the animala Kalam

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and even al ghazali and I have a lot of love and respect for others it is 11th century theologian and plenty more from Allah subhanho wa Taala shall shower him with his mercy

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understood because he went through this journey. And he basically said that you don't give everyone in will cut out. You don't do that. You know, he said, it's like a second medicine for sick people.

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You don't give medicine to someone who's Okay, they're gonna attend sick. And he also said, you have to assess on an individual by individual basis. When do you give someone come when you don't you have to understand the psychology of the person. So he was very nuanced with that. And he also said, don't think your faith is going to come because of certain carefully produced premises and a some kind of deductive argument or some kind of conclusion. He says someone smarter than you can come and change your premises around and could undermine your position. He said, he ma true eemaan comes from internalizing the Quran and the Sunnah. And also on

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eBay, even taymiyah, who is seen as one of the most ferocious, ferocious critics against invalid Kalam, if you study his work, and they don't study his works, if you study his works, he didn't say all of illuma Keller was wrong. He had a certain issue with certain aspects of elimelech Keller and others he actually praised and felt that it was good and Phil philosophy was good. So you mentioned on on events I me because I recently bought a book by him regarding logic and then yeah, I'm actually very interested on it because my Arabic Teacher He's like, you focus too much on

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The last logical aspect of it. So he recommended me the book on. I don't know if you read this on? Yes. The the. The rebuttal of the logicians or Yes, yes. Yeah. You probably reading halex translation. Yeah.

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I don't know. Yeah, I didn't get it. I didn't receive it. Yeah, just resolved. It's actually a very hard read from what I remember. But it was funny because when you read something to me as work, then you could just accuse him of Calum.

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That The thing is, it's a very philosophical book, the general principle is this bro. We learn our Deen by, you know, understanding the Quran and the Sunnah, looking at the universe, reflecting on his signs, understanding why he's worthy of worship, following the clearness and connecting to Allah and salah and decurrent, and so on and so forth. And as we develop, we get older if and when necessary, we start delving these matters, but we do it with caution, and we do it with the right guidance. And yes, you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater for sure.

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You know, I follow ghazali, his approach al ghazali. His approach, I think, is the best approach on this, which is you basically you don't you don't think your Eman is contingent on some kind of philosophical argument is actually,

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you know, because of you internalizing the deen of Allah subhanho wa Taala. And if you're going to get involved in this Calum stuff, you have to understand, you know, what is blameworthy and what is not blameworthy, who should give it to who shouldn't give it to you, and so on and so forth. So for someone like you, I think what you should do is focus on your core and focus on your ibadah focus on

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learning the foundations of the faith. Once you get that established, then you can grow slowly into the philosophical aspects. Because I give people about five principles before they get into philosophy.

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You have to listen to this five principles before you get into philosophy. Number one, have the right intention.

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Number two, make sure you have a basic grounding of arcada of your creed. Number three, make sure you're praying to Allah subhanho wa Taala. And you're protecting yourself from these, these shubo heart they do, they cannot have God and so on and so forth. Number four, make sure you connect with students of knowledge. And mainstream scholars an early ama that can help you and guide you there. If you don't have those things in place, then with all due respect, you shouldn't get involved in philosophy, because you will get lost 100%. So you have to have those things in place. I repeat this all the time. You know, our my third post grad in philosophy, I like it. This is my kind of field.

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But I only realized the importance of these principles, because I got into a bit later. And if I went into philosophy when I was 25, when I was just like three years old Muslim, and I would definitely probably have gotten lost. Yeah. So I go into academia in my 30s. So

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and just to repeat, have the right intention, pray five times a day, have a connection with Allah, protect your heart, Vicar, etc.

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Have the connection with righteous scholars and students of knowledge. And also make sure you have a good understanding of creed. And when I was doing my post grad, I was like, wow, these guys are so close yet so far. And the missing link was Allah. Allah He I remember thinking, the missing link when I was Allah, his names and attributes, the missing link was tallied for them. Yeah. But if you don't understand that, then you think, you know, you'll fall in love with the illusion of these philosophical

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hands. I would I would like to mention, right? Yes.

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It's not for everyone. It's not for everyone. Absolutely not. Not everyone has to become a philosopher. Okay. We generally advise extreme caution. People like you're not a mere they could make a difference. People like azali. They made a difference, okay, if not rushed. But it's a very, very dangerous path. For those who haven't studied Islamic theology in depth. in depth is the point you must study Islam in depth so that you know exactly what Islam stands for before you start to get involved in Kant's philosophy or Descartes, or, or let's say even if you want to go into ancient philosophy, why would you study these philosophies if you don't even know Islam? It doesn't make

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sense then it is not natural to be influenced by these thoughts. If Islam is not there as a defense mechanism to defend you, right. So these are some of the things we need to ensure look into Harveys thank you so much for your questions. May Allah bless you

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brother Hamza one last thing I want to say I really enjoyed that Lawrence Krauss debate um, couple of years ago. I just wish that I watched it many years ago knows eight years ago.

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Have you

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just found out recently to be honest?

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Okay, looking for the obvious. Thank you so much. A lot. Bless you all that goes along for law. Thank you so much. I hope everyone enjoyed this discussion. And everyone is enjoying pretty sure because a lot of interesting questions are coming up. We're trying to answer those questions to the best of our ability, at the same time don't lose the mark, as they say, Sapiens institute.org. forward slash donate live is the link, we need someone to come forward and start making some big donations like 3000 4000 1500, we need those lions and lionesses of Allah because we are currently struggling to reach anywhere near our target. If this was a Christian missionary appeal in the bible

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belt in the US, by now we would have raised about a million dollars without hesitation I am saying this, because for some reason, for some reason, Christian or Christians are very passionate in donating for the dissemination and for the personal proselytization of their faith, perhaps, perhaps they feel the need to do it. And know Muslims feel very relaxed that Islam is a powerhouse. Islam is intellectually very powerful. Islam is a very rational faith. Therefore, we don't really need to spend money in defending it. That's a misconception. Islam is a powerhouse. Islam is a rational faith. But a lot of islamophobes can easily spin it and spread misconceptions about it or

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misrepresented. It is these misrepresentations we're trying to we're trying to defend Islam against a candidate. Islam is a weak faith, and we can't defend it absolute Islam stands on its own merits. But at the same time, we must understand that there are misconceptions out there, people are spreading doubts about Islam. So when there are doubts about someone's character, if someone accuse you of something, let's say that there are hundreds of people watching the stream, if someone accused you of something, something erroneous, something so incredible that you would be shocked, would you sit idle, and laugh and smile? I am. I am a made of rock. I am I'm I'm an Iron Man and

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nothing. No, you have to defend your character, you have to defend your trade. For that reason, Islam has to be defended to the best of our ability. And this is what Sapiens Institute is doing, donate and share the link live, online or on your online platforms. So let's go to the next question. inshallah. Let's take the question from Maduro. Sorry, Mooji. We We thought you had asked your question, we will mistaken that's why we let you back in so that you can ask your question. Go ahead and show up.

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your life

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and your time is running out.

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We don't want to we don't want to lose you again.

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Can you hear me?

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Yes.

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What do you have? 10 seconds to ask your question.

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Okay, let's move on. Check. Now. Can I say something quickly about the point you made about not being apathetic in situation. Look at this, all of us.

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In this hobby, the Prophet he said, he said three things. He said harass alumni and fac was dying bill now well attaches three things. He said harass alumni. In fact, he said be eager, like hasty, eager and quick to do what will benefit and seek Allah's help. And don't feel like apathetic don't feel as if you're weak as if nothing can happen. You know, you mentioned the point about Christian missionaries. Yeah. And it's such a true point. It's such a true point, the amount of mistruths and misrepresentations that come from that cramp camp, and fortunately, many of them not all, but many of them about what Islam is, what is M stands for, together with this a multi million dollar pound

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machinery, right of propaganda machinery of, of media, right, where they can disseminate these ideas, many of them are anti Islamic ideas to the wall to the globe. That means, of course, that there's going to be a lot of ignorant people lay people who don't know any better about Islam, and of course, have confusions about Christianity, who would then fall victim to this and then would have these negative sentiments about what Islam is and do Muslims really believe x y and Zed Alhamdulillah. We're just about to release Sapiens institute a very extended elaborate essay on on some of these claims made by Christian missionaries, for decades, they've made these claims for

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decades. And their claims and their their their their opinions have have have gone very far all around the world. So Christians believe what they say, because they don't know any better. But the problem is

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other Muslims. The problems are the Muslim children, the Muslim young people, the Muslims who who might come across these anti Islamic arguments not knowing, of course that they're they're based on mistruths, misrepresentations, and they fall prey to this. And then of course, in the worst cases, those who might be influenced to become Christian who might keep Christian companies and become those become Christians themselves. And that's the danger. And that's the work of Sapiens Institute, it's about thinking deeply about the fact that there is a problem, there is a disease, and this disease needs to be diagnosed, it needs to be handled and dealt with properly. And it has to be

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dealt with, with knowledge, with knowledge with understanding, but also with compassion, and with love is not about anybody being antagonistic to anybody else. Right. And I write this on all my work that this is about the fact that we extend our heart, you know, because we want guidance, of course, for even the detractors, you want guidance for them, you don't want anything evil for them. But I'll tell you something, I want all of us to think about this as I want you to really donate insha Allah, Allah, Allah had the guts, he says, You have an Adam, an honorific Alec, or son of Adam, spend and you will be spent upon spend, and you will be spent upon this nothing that you will give, except

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that Allah would give much more back in return. But what we're hoping or what we're praying for, is that the spending and shoreline this case is going to is going to create societal change is going to create generational change is going to mean in fact that there is something that exists, that's going to be the assistance of all of us of our young people have children of Muslims, that they will have a clearly outlined response mechanism in a form for these detract for these detractors. I want all of us to feel proud, be very proud of Islam. You know, I was reminded, as you were speaking shaker down about a very beautiful thing that happened in the Battle of Ohio. And it might seem

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because you said that, you know, sometimes you may be, you know, we're on the backfoot. And it could even feel as if most of my feelers if they're disempowered, they might feel disempowered, because it's as if there's so many problems happening all around the world. And what do you do in a situation? And what's Sapiens going to do? For example, look at this example, I will Sofia in the Battle of or heard who was the one of the leaders of the machinery king, he felt so thrilled and so empowered, he took a high place, and he began to shout down at the prophets, companions. And when prophet himself after the after the fact that many of the province companies have been martyred, and

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the province himself was bleeding, so solemn, you know, and he says to, and he's and he shouts, and he says, A fecal Mohammedan is Muhammad with you? And the Prophet when he heard that he told his companions loud to jiba, who don't respond to him, and then they send a shout out as a fee come, mo kochava is Abubakar amongst you, and the poor and promises his companions, loud to G boo, don't answer him. And then he has a third one Effie, come April hubbub is Omar with you, and the Prophet system to them lead to gebouw don't answer to him. And then I was Sophia and says, oh, Lu horrible. Oh, hi, and majestic and glorious, is horrible, the God that they worship, and the Prophet said, a

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gebouw. Now you answer him. Now you answer him. Right? And he said, my mother, Nicole, what do we say Oh, Mr. Allah. He said, say Allah, Oh Allah, gentle. Allah is higher, more glorious than that. I mean, now there's a response. Now it's concerning Allah. Now it's concerning our theology. Now it's concerning the Lord of the heavens and the earth we say something or Muslims. I mean, do something all the sudden, I mean, that was concerning you your Allah subhana wa to Allah. And then he says, I was Sophia and said, lenel oza la jolla. Come we have also our deity you have no wizard, and the Prophet says aji boo answer him. They said, what should we say you're a super la he said, say Allahu

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Mola Mola come Allah is our support and our master, you have no support and monster, it's just a beautiful reflection of the fact that you know, we have to have whatever the situation, a great sense of encouragement, pride, motivation, consistency, right? And, you know, an ambition for the sake of Allah. May Allah grant all of us that Tofig locker locker and Dr. Swan for that reminder. And one thing a lot of people actually don't usually contemplate is the fact that Muslims had faced a huge setback at that time, you know, when the prophet or Salam was telling them to respond. Muslims had allegedly or let's say, apparently lost that particular phase of the battle, whereby the

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prophet SAW someone was injured, and the Muslims had to take cover basically at that time, and that was a huge setback. And even then, even in that condition, even in those circumstances, the Prophet sallallahu Sallam did not not respond. He responded to any attack against Islam or a lot of glory for that

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integrity of his faith. So in those circumstances when the Prophet is injured, and every single Muslim is worried, and they have lost

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over 70 companions of the Prophet salallahu Salam they are the dead bodies are lying around okay in the battlefield and they can't even collect them. And the Prophet is telling his companions to respond to the Islamophobic statements made by abuse of Yon who was the head of disbelievers at the time, right panela unbelievable results. So what what do we learn from this, that we cannot not respond to islamophobes this is not an option. When Islam is being attacked when Islam is being maligned, when misconceptions are being spread against Islam lies are being peddled against the prophet of Islam is being is being made to look as if he was the worst character in human history.

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While the truth is completely the opposite. He was one of the best people to walk the planet Earth. And why is this happening? Because we don't have enough people respond. Because we're not paying heed to that particular Sunnah of the Prophet salam, even in those circumstances, he responded to my brothers and sisters. This is what we're doing Sapiens Institute is responding to all these Islamophobic attacks, and more responses will be put out in the future, inshallah. And that's why you need to really start supporting, okay, imagine if you were there, when you would you support the professor. When you if you saw the prophet in that state, when the Prophet was being attacked? Would

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you support him, of course, you would support him, all of you love the promises of them. We're doing exactly that. What is Sapiens doing? We're trying to defend the integrity, the credibility of the prophet of his faith, which was revealed by Allah subhanaw taala. And this is why you need to start supporting each other Sapiens distribute.org. forward slash donate live is the link in it to start making donations. So that we can actually continue with this work for as long as possible. Whether we live or not, is not the important thing. We need to leave behind this legacy of defending Islam intellectual boundaries, and inshallah, there will be more people coming in the future, who will do

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this work in sha Allah, inspired by some of the work left behind by our brothers in sha Allah, just like we are inspired by people who have left behind their work in the past. So let's go to Mooji roots if you

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Yeah, well, now we can. Go ahead. Very good. How are you? We're fine.

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I just want to say that currencies that invite people make Dawa wisdom on the patient. And you should brothers because you do Dawa, you want to invite non Muslims, you want to

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remove the doubts of young Muslims, you should be more patient. You blush last time, I asked you a question. You unfortunately you blocked me for one question. I'm the perfect dhaba. And tonight, I should come and talk to you with another account that that's not correct. Because I do dabble myself. I invite people to Islam, and you blocked me just for being just for being against one fabricated ad is a new brother Hamza. You told me right? Me, I will answer you one week I have written you several times you didn't answer. And I wanted to just tell you that that's not correct. how you're going to answer Islamophobia. We received a Ramadan 1000s of emails. So I decided I was

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going to answer I didn't say when though, but I'm going to LA, but why you blocked? And I personally, it wasn't us. I'm not aware who blocked he wasn't us. I think I think I think it was one of the administrators and i think i think it was because

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your question wasn't referring to any of the particular topics and it's a very contentious question. When you undermine undermining authentic Hadeeth. And I think we address your answer very well. No, you did it. And we treated you with courtesy and with with with with with a lot of compassion and love.

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Yes. Well, with Habibi, you know, you know, if you don't have you know, somebody, I don't Muslim or maybe, yes, maybe if someone knocks on my door three times, I don't answer the door, they have to leave, right. There's no obligation for you to even it's actually a privilege for you to come and speak to us. And likewise, it's a privilege to speak to you, but you have another account Habibi, you have to realize that we don't want this to end up being a huge debate, because that's not the purpose of today's or any of the streams to debate, the authenticity of Bukhari or Muslim and so on and so forth. Given that the normative Islamic view is that Bukhari is authentic, and that people

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who usually trying to spout any kind of contention, or they want to detract away from that narrative, with all due respect, a lot of the times it's because they

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haven't studied modern criticism. They haven't studied how to reconcile Hadith, and so on and so forth. And we gave you some very humble advice. And we said, you know, come to me, let me know, what are the criteria for mutton criticism? If you're not able to articulate that, then with all due respect, you're not even qualified to reject you. And how did you allow? You didn't answer the question last time, but you will. Okay. What's the criticism? Let us know. I mean, have you read the book on modern criticism, you're happy? The point is not just that you wanted to debate, you said Hamza, come and debate me. I said, I'm not going to debate. You're my brother. I'm not here to

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debate you on these issues. It's like debating, for example, the six pillars of the mind, I'm not going to debate something that is like an obvious, self evident truth. And so you want to have a discussion privately, I will get back to you on my email. I'm not dismissing you. I'm not saying you're referred to me.

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I'm not saying you're bad person, Woody, you just have to understand you can't come to someone's platform and hijack it in the way that you want. Because with all due respect, it lacks a bit of other because no one's saying that you're a bad person. No one's saying that you don't have a right to espouse your views. No one's saying that you can't be you know, you don't have your own positions. But with all due respect, if we're if we feel if we feel very strongly about the self evident truths, and, and these and these established normative facts in the Islamic tradition, someone who goes against them can't just be given platform, it's like, I would never entertain

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someone who's a flat earther. With all due respect, I have to be authentic with you, if someone came to me said, Let's debate that the world is flat, like I'm so sorry, you know, you go do your homework. So you have to appreciate and have intellectual empathy, that what you're coming to us with is the equivalent of being a flat earther. And I have to be honest with you. Now, this doesn't mean I'm not gonna entertain you, it doesn't mean I'm not gonna reply to you, I will reply to you insha Allah, and we will entertain your ideas and help you on that journey. And maybe I will learn something and you will learn something. However, you have to respect the fact that we are under no

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moral, Islamic or ethical obligation to allow you to hijack the live stream for your particular purposes, you have to appreciate that today's livestream is on liberalism and secularism is not on mutton criticism, or heavy criticism with all due respect. So the reason you were probably blocked is because you wanted to basically talk about this issue.

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I'm not blocking you as a human as I'm your brother. I'm not blocking you we will have that discussion please wait into after Ramadan I will get back to your email and if you forget Don't worry you could read you could hustle me and read an email me again and we will get back to you in sha Allah. Does that make sense? But I just want to say that I fight Islamophobic and ex Muslim extremist ISIS Taliban Okay, so you should do also because they all the time use this hadith is like stoning adulterers killing apostates against Islam. So if you cannot fight this, you know, barbaric acts, then you cannot find Islamophobic it's just, you know, doesn't make sense because they all the

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time used to say that Islam is barbaric. Okay. I am a former apostate myself. If that Hadees was to I should be killed, but now I'm hamdulillah I wasn't judged by Buhari and his followers. I survived. And I converted to Islam because I was 25 I didn't understand that's why I became an atheist. But Alhamdulillah Allah subhanaw taala gave me time and he guided me to Islam. And now I do perfect Dawa. That's why my channel is the perfect double. Okay, and I did perfect hour, but if I was charged by Biharis followers, I would be killed. Okay, because because he saw anyone

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watching, okay, okay, we're gonna move on from here, because today, this is not today's topic. But you have to understand just by your very statement is obviously you have not even understood the idea properly in Islamic jurisprudence and nuanced way. You need to access the classical fuqaha the classical jurists, you know, this is not like, you know, I can't be a butcher, for example, and give a legal ruling. I don't have the skills, right. Likewise, you have to be able to have the tools to be able to understand the legal rulings and apply them in a modern context without deviating from the classical principles. I think your your own very statement has shown that you maybe you've been

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a bit reactionary and you have even dealt dwelve into the the depth of Islamic jurisprudence, but me and you or me or you and someone else who is even more qualified than me, will address your questions after Ramadan. Why can I separate on Sunday? Can I say I have been debating shakes, okay. Chef Mousavi from London, Chef huddart. Okay, from London, so I know what I'm saying. Don't think that I don't know anything. Okay.

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movie Mooji Bella Bless you. Let's have that discussion by email and I'll give you my number as well.

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I want to tell you that I'm not afraid of anything.

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Further This is not the

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dawn it's

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like an ISA Habibi. Mooji I'll give you my number after Ramadan we could speak Okay, inshallah You promised her. Yeah, I'll give you my number. Absolutely. Okay.

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By the way, if I forget and I do forget, and you need to pester me just email me again I'll give you my number right or what what one question one question before Mooji goes

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away Let's not get triggered on this issue we got think No, I wanted I wanted to ask him quickly Why does he want a number so that he can say later that he has now debated Hamza? No, no. I'm gonna pass him to someone more qualified code Mr. Adnan Rashid Oh, no, no, no, I also known as the islamophobe, eater.

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My name

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Okay, so don't worry inshallah Mooji. I strongly recommend for lectures

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on my YouTube channel, not because they are my lectures, but they cover a lot of content on how this rejection. So they are titled had this rejection. For long lectures on this very topic. Please do watch them and then call for the hams after Ramadan inshallah knucklehead brother, he says Hi, welcome

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to salon what I thought a lot. I was pretty lively.

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Nice. I mean,

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we have to be as nice as possible and authentic as possible and explain why he was probably blocked. And it wasn't because his ideas are strong or anything it was because it was just not appropriate to hijack. I mean, he sounds pretty confrontational, so I can definitely understand But anyways, Dr. Ban Latif salaam aleikum, brother, I don't really know you.

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Yeah.

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Adnan and

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Hamza. I love you, brothers. Man. I've been watching you guys since I became a Muslim back in 2010.

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And, you know, I'm a Puerto Rican Muslim. I'm a letter in here in the United States. I served in the army and everything. And I thank God that I was I left the army before, just after 2001 because, you know, nine and 11 and all that. And yeah, I can only imagine that. Had I, you know, continued being in the military, I probably would have killed Muslims. Right. So

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anyways, that's neither here nor there. So um, so yeah, I, I've seen I've seen your debates Hamza with Lars Ghul. He took a beating. Well, you do that you guys do that to everybody? Which is it? I love it. And it's not to make fun of them. But it's just one logic prevails all the time. Right. So Islam is logical. And that's why I love you guys. The base, continue to good work guys in speaker's corner. And I wanted to I it's probably going to be off topic, and I apologize, but our brother has and medical Shibez said, are better known to the world as Malcolm X, he says, America needs to understand Islam, because this is the one religion that erases from its society, the race problem.

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So

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I have one more question. Um, well, basically, what I wanted to know is what do you guys take on that statement, or that quote from Malcolm X? And we also know that there is no centralized authority in Islam? Is that correct?

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Well, well, let's start with the first question. We end on this one. Yes. Everyone would love to say something about this. The reason first is because I was actually reading a bit of the book yesterday. And I opened the page randomly, and it was on that point. And that's why this is so powerful, because, you know, Malcolm X, he acts and this is the difference between understanding something abstractly and experiencing it. So he experienced Islam in the Hajj, he experienced Hutch, and that experience was a transformative experience to him, were literally overnight, his kind of false ideology about these issues. Although his approach on these issues, he felt that he was wrong.

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And he felt that his son was actually the solution to the race problem. And you know, he was saying like, it was delaford, for example, he understood that everyone from different colors, they all snowed in the same language, right? And he would eat from the same plate, with people with the blue set of eyes and the bluntness of hair, and so on and so forth. Now, what's very powerful about Malcolm X's experience is that he internalized the Islamic values through his relation to any change the state of being because what is the state of being a state of being is to be is to be related, how you relate to yourself, how you relate to others. So the way he was relating to others,

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dramatically changed by virtue of those experiences.

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And he said, People need to taste this. He said, People need to see what Islam is about people and he and he, he makes you know, this. This guy was prophetic in a non theological sense. You know, he says,

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In his book, in the same couple of pages, he says, We need with good PR and marketing with what he said, with good PR and marketing. People can basically understand the truth of Islam and understand how his sound would eradicate the race problem. Even when I read Malcolm X and look for the first time, I took a day of work, right? Because I was so engrossed with the book because his book was like a template for political analysis of the Muslim community, into into the future, right for the future. Because the way he described the psychology of people who are a bit bored, who are who are too soft, or people who basically didn't know how to do with political Social Affairs, and, and so

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on and so forth. His analysis was absolutely profound. Absolutely, and the amount of people who have become Muslim, because of his book, I mean, his life is an IRA May Allah Subhana with regard him, Jonathan, for those that lost our founders, mercy, forgiveness on our brother, Malcolm, and he was a huge influence for me when I became Muslim. And I read his book, I used to listen to his talks in my headphones, and I used to walk home sometimes. And from the office I was in, it would take me about an hour and a half or two hours to walk home or something, I would just listen. And I would just be mesmerized by his eloquence and his, his, his, his, he's a, he's a beautiful human being, or was a

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beautiful human being. And that's the thing like now like I listen, you know, I watch his documentaries, or how's a use of, you know, talking about Malcolm X, and it literally brings tears to my eyes because this there's there was a man that had he still been living now probably could have done so much good. But obviously, you know, that's the Allah knows best. He took him when he took him, you know, what, who are we to say, you know, he said, you know, what we learned from our connects, we learn the revival of a part of similar leadership, that's hardly spoken about. And that is a keep and I like talking about leadership right? In I did a private seminar the other day, it

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was on empathic leadership. And one key aspect of leadership and this is the leadership of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam that we don't talk about today. Is courage. Courage, my brother. How many people talk about courage today? I want to hear you hardly see it. But Malcolm X was the manifestation of courage. Like when they asked him, you know, are you scared? They're gonna kill you. He said, I'm already a dead man.

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You know what I mean? I'm already a dead man. Like he embrace Death to the degree that he was like, This is my this is my duty. This is my calling. And I'm gonna meet Allah when I'm going to meet Allah. And let me tell you something about a lot of the brothers in the in the West brothers in the Dow. And I'm not saying this in a contemporary way. I'm saying it that we're all part of the same thing. as me. No matter altos movement, the Hadeeth we believe is a mirrors of each other, is relaxed, some courage, brother. And one thing Malcolm X has taught us and revised, revised and revived Is this the missing leadership, the center of leadership, which is courage. You know, the

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process on when there was an issue in Medina, I think, people thought there was some some kind of attack or something. They went out to find out what was going on. And they found the process on him on his horse with a sword saying, basically trying to calm them down. He was the first to protect people. In one of the battles he was moving forward, and all the arrows were coming in the Sahaba. were holding him and he was saying, I am not Elia I am the messenger of Allah, Allah ECMO, we need this type of social intellectual courage is missing. We're lost in this kind of pseudo Musleh and massada Don't get me wrong, benefits and harms muscle muscle, high muscle that is part of our

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tradition. But sometimes we use it if we're using it to hide our cowardice then there is already a problem and this brother let me do something let me do something which is Inaki The problem is about your creed. Because who is the one who's really harming? Who is the the one who's allowing these things to happen? Who is the one who's actually benefiting you? It's not these things. We say La hawla wala quwata illa Billah there is no true power apart from the power of Allah subhanho wa Taala everything is because of Allah qudra Anuradha everything is because of Allah's power and will. It's not these things, these things don't have any intrinsic power and the Sahaba knew this, the person

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knew this. And that's where the this went, wherever is gonna happen is gonna happen. Famous, what does our tradition say if the whole world were to come to harm you, they will never harm you unless is the will of Allah. And if the whole world were to come to benefit you they will never benefit. This is the will of Allah subhanho wa Taala we revive that kind of aspect in our minds will be far more courageous. And we want to give things intrinsic power, we won't say Oh, yes, they have the ability to stop me. I'm scared of them. No, because you will see the greater picture that behind all of this is Allah subhanho wa Taala. And wherever Allah chooses for you, you can never choose any

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better. So one thing that Malcolm X has taught me personally and you know, I'm not

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I'm courageous Not at all. I'm in many cases I'm not. And we endure mela guidance Oh, is how to be courageous. And that is a missing sooner needs to be revived in terms of leadership in today's context, bro, your question has been such a beautiful question. Well, I want Dr. Smiley to talk about this real quick look at this example, because he was speaking about the Battle of ohad we forgot to mention this is beautiful and like what I just said about showing courage exemplifying courage actualizing courage beyond just verbalizing courage. So, you know, in the Battle of Ohio, we mentioned one example, the next day, the mushrikeen, they said we're going to come back, we're going

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to finish off Islam because that was that was a motivation for the battle board in the first place. And they didn't do that, of course. And so they were preparing themselves and then they came to the Manasa T and and when African came along and they said that to the Muslims or look in the NASA jamala config showroom unlock wisdom in the Quran, they said that the people have gathered against you sort of fair them. And Allah says about those Sahaba when they heard these were words for is that a man or a man increased when they said that? And they said, hustled all day while working and there was two times in the Hadith in Sahih Muslim when that was said in that case, one that example

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when the Muslims spoke to the Mana 15 and they said Allah is sufficient for us. And the second Ibrahim Ali said before them, of course before turning the fire. And he said sufficient while Allah blesses preserve affairs before returning the fire. But the next day, then the machine prepared themselves. Look with the Prophet said look at how we showed courage a local, he said to Bill alley called Bilaal. And he said to Bill, I'll bill out, go and tell them, don't tell them we're coming out the next day. Next year, we're continuing the battle. And he said, while I Rajma, Anna elimine, shahidullah Patel, double unders, and no one can come out with us, except the one who witnessed the

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battle yesterday, right. And this is really remarkable, because you might have expected that there's a harbor, they've lost family members have lost friends, they're bleeding, they're wounded. But the Prophet said, the only ones coming out with us the next day are those same ones, right, just to show the example that where you know, where we're battle ready, that we're not, we're not scared that we're courageous, even if we're bleeding, and even if we're mourning, our loved ones, we're still gonna engage with you. And this is a beautiful example of courage. alaqua.

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Right. And I wanted to mention, so like you, you have someone like Malcolm X.

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And then you have someone, like, let's say, Martin Luther King, you know, both of whom believe in, I guess, God, right. But Malcolm X was firm, and he was not afraid to die if necessary, right for his beliefs. And for at the time, you know, his, his black brothers and sisters. And then you have someone like, you know, Martin Luther King, it's, it's, to me, it's like a stark contrast, because, you know, Martin Luther King was more passive. And he didn't, I guess, want to take risks. And he started a movement where like, there's no violence. He Malcolm wasn't like that. Malcolm Yes, it was not violent. But he would absolutely defend himself if he needed to, you know, I'm saying and, and

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that's, and that's, I think, the difference between Malcolm and and Martin Luther King, both of them, you know, our religious people, obviously, are, we're religious people. And, you know, I stand with the Christians

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here in the United States, and it's just, it's just getting crazy with everything that's going on, you know, and whenever Christianity is attacked, I'm always in defense of them. Because, you know, if they can do to the Christians, what they do to the Christians, you know, having the government step in and trying to force them to marry people of the same sex and things like that, then it could come to a slam, right? So they can do that to them, they can do that to us. So, you know, I'm always in defensive Christians, but whenever the Christians, you know, try to attack Islam or Muslims in defense of Islam, right. But I always mean, something beautiful is that Malcolm X before he was

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monitored, you know, there is there are documents or documents to show that the KKK was going to march on Monday with the king in Alabama. And this is when Mark was became Muslim, like a proper Muslim. And he wrote a dispatch or sent a fax to my Luther King telling him that if they come out against you, you'll find us supporting you. It was kind of in Malcolm X's money was a paradigm shift because Islam is not about separation. It's being separation is Islam is not about being exclusivist. Islam is not about you know, only blacks. For example, as you are he of course, came to learn that lesson through his experience of the Hajj and so on and so forth. But it just also shows

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the fact that sometimes we see

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Like the issue as Fred fractious, but it wasn't always like that. And I think that was the end of his life, he became more understanding of the fact that mine was the king, of course, is fighting his cause in a based upon whatever he believes. But it doesn't mean that we have to harbor enmity with one another in a perpetually like that. And I think it was quite what I came to learn about that it was quite, it was quite a touching moment. But of course, it is what it is. I mean, to give some credit, though mine with the king, of course, he did go to prison, multiple, multiple times, of the citizens and so on and so forth. And that's something I think for, for for for him, in that

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sense, you will be seen as an act of, of courage, you know, in that sense, but I think that Malcolm X, kind of, you know, he was someone who spoke truth to power, and that was a key thing, speaking truth to power being, being unafraid. And of course, the end of his life, you know, Allah, Allah gave him what Allah gave him. We ask Allah, Allah give him Allah accept him as a month.

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I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, Malcolm X was a phenomenon. He inspired me in so many different ways. Like, I used to watch his black and white videos, when there was no internet around, was to watch long documentaries about him and all that, you know, that when there were VHS videos around, I used to, I found a documentary about Malcolm X, and it was absolutely mind blowing. And he inspired me in such a way, I believe that he was inspired. He was a phenomenon. He was one of the most eloquent men of the 20th century. And a lad put a lot of power on his tongue. And he single handedly shook the racist establishment he was facing in the US in particular, and possibly global because he

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was talking about South Africa and France at different times, you know, so May Allah bless him or give him the highest. I mean,

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we're not gonna be before you go. This is an article we have on Sapiens called, I can't read. And it was a response to the the tragic killing of of George Floyd and before he married Ghana, and it kind of it looks at some of these kind of racist things and an Islamic solution. So you're welcome to the answers on Satan's website.

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Yeah, absolutely. I'll take a look at that.

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Did you see how the picture of Malcolm when you know when he was a, I guess, when he was shot? He died with a smile on his face. And only a moment would die like that? Absolutely. You know,

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I believe a loss kind of Allah guided him near the end of his life, so that he can be taken like that. You know, he will Shaheed insha Allah, and, you know, the fact that he went for Hajj, and he completely switched his

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aqeedah. And he abandoned any confusion if he had any in his mind. And he clarified his position that he was an orthodox, Sunni Muslim, when he returned, and a lot took him in that condition because Allah guided him due to sincerity. He was fighting against oppression and a lot like certain qualities in people for him to guide him. Allah, Allah knows who are deserving of guidance, you know, you know, and, you know, he also went to Gaza, Malcolm X. Yeah, he also went to Ghana. Yeah, he was he was the first African American, like, you know, activists to set foot in Gaza, actually, as this is a lot of evidence. And so this is pictures available as well. So on his, in fact, on his

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journey through the Middle East, I think it also stopped in Libya, but also in in Gaza as well. Therefore, his concern was a Palestinian concern, as well, it wasn't only about the rights of causing suffering of the black people. But it was also the suffering of people generally, and particularly the suffering of the Muslims in Palestine as well. I had I had just one more question. It's just I didn't know the Malcolm X thing was gonna be explosive. Um, can I just ask this question real quick?

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So like I was asking earlier so we know we there's no centralized authority in Islam is that correct?

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I mean, I know that I know that there's there's certain people that you would go to you know, in order to I guess find certain find out certain information, but we don't have a pope there's no there's no like there's no like there's no trivalent to pop, we're we don't have any, we don't have an infallible voice of God, living among us now. Right. So So then, unless a prophet is alive, the Prophet sallallahu Sallam passed away 14 centuries ago, right what we end up that infallible voice, yeah. Well, after after the Khalifa is after they died, then the centralized power or the centralized authority is no longer there. That that's I think, after Alli.

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We've had we've had regional centralized authority. Leslie, when the Ottomans were around, they had to shuffle Islam, let's say or when the when the other for example, during the basket period, there was the Mufti of this

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To call the use of survey, we've had voices like that, but none of them we deem to be invaluable, like the pope is considered to be valuable. Right, right. Yeah. Well, I mean,

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there's a difference between a centralized voice for a base and authoritative, authoritative voices. So we've had many authoritative voices. But if we were to say that one person's take on Islam is the take note, after the progress of life alumni, that hasn't been the case, not

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alive messenger or the final authority of Islam, as we understand, right, so thinking, can you briefly explain then the process by which Muslims, try to find the truth of a matter or a consensus, and I'm talking about an individual, not like a group. So if I, let's say, you know, I'm having an issue with

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a deity, you know, someone says, This is false, and I believe it to be true. So because, you know, I was heard go to this person go into at least normally different shifts, or for, for a particular question on a particular field, you go to the experts, right? If you want to talk about hobbies, you don't listen to let's say, someone who specializes in, in, let's say, the Arabic language. For example, not every speaker, not every public speaker on Islam, or not every Imam in the masjid is an authority on every single topic in Islam. So, for example, if you want heart surgery done, you go to the heart surgeon, you don't go to kidney specialists, right. Likewise, islamically speaking, if you

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have a question on the veracity of Hadith, you, you, you you research for the highest authorities on the science of Hadith, and we have many, right, so pretty much we've had a consensus on the second century to this day, among the 100 being on most of the Hadith literature, right Bukhari and Muslim. The veracity is unquestionable, right? They are authoritative work, we consider them to be we consider them to be mostly authentic, right? There are no reports within those two books that have been challenged successfully. maybe one or two reports have been questioned by certain people. But the predominant position is that most of the reports they're in in both books are authentic. And the

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other four, of course, some reports are questionable, and they have been clarified, they have been discussed orally. So we have a very, very powerful,

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how can operate a very powerful tradition on the science of these, these people. Mostly your question the veracity of these today are either completely ignorant of that tradition, or are simply agenda driven. They're just, you know, they have some of the problems. Yeah.

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I hope that your question? Yeah, no, absolutely. And thank you guys so much, you know, for taking the time. And

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like I said, Keep up the good work and insha Allah, Allah will bless you. And then keep going to speaker's corner my brother keep going over there giving them punches left rain Sunday.

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It was good speaking to you guys. It's been a pleasure. I'm kind of starstruck. Not really, you know, but I you know, I appreciate you guys work so much, and thank you so much by law preserve you and straighten your tongues and keep you steadfast on this journey. hamdulillah salaam aleikum wa rahmatullah wa barakato.

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So much for coming in and asking your questions and raising the issue of Malcolm X, we need to remind everyone that what Malcolm X was doing nearly 60 years ago, or let's say nearly 50 years ago, Sapiens is trying to do something very similar today. What was Malcolm X doing once he had found the path, he started to defend the path because he could not tolerate a misconceptions deliberately spread by the media about Islam. Today, we have the Islamophobia industry, which is a multi billion dollar industry, well funded, well oiled, and it is working day and night. islamophobes don't rest, okay. They work around the clock. And we hardly have any organizations defending the intellectual

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boundaries of Islam and answering doubts and misconceptions, and saving our youngsters from doubts and apostasy. So this is why Sapiens Institute is out. And the work we have done in the last nine months since the inception of this new institution, were trained and empowered over 6000 people to defend ensure Islam developed and delivered over 33 academic webinars, delivered 10 in depth online courses and seminars delivered advanced training to the Blue Mosque outreach team, which has access to 4 million visitors every year, published three books, research and published 13 essays and articles launched free online lighthouse mentoring service which caters for

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crucial endeavor to protect our youngsters, in particular, from misconceptions and doubts, because they need a platform they can go to to get their questions answered, and this is what we're trying to do today. So inshallah, before we take any more questions,

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actually, let's, let's take another question. I think ebrima ebrima, please ask your question, and we will try our best to answer it to the best of our abilities inshallah. Go ahead. Assalamu alaikum.

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I'm fighting. I'm good. How are you? I'm hamdulillah. Thank you so much. All right. So I'm sure all of you have experienced that one card that the islamophobes pool whenever they're struggling in a debate, which is your prophet is a pedophile.

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And when the liberals say this, it contradicts their utilitarian doctrine and the harm principle, but I don't say that because I found that they don't mind being hypocrites, because they acknowledge that their doctrine is created by men. So I usually just say that them calling the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam. a pedophile is anachronism because it was normal at that time. And I give the example of what he's saying something.

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Yeah, no, go ahead.

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Okay.

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I usually give them the example, that what they're doing is the same as judging someone in let's say, the 15th century, for not driving a car. But although nobody has said this, I like playing devil's advocate because I don't want someone to get the impression that Islam is wrong. So when I'm playing devil's advocate, I think that they might say, what was it

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that they might say that it's their choice to marry a younger woman? And it's not their choice to, let's say, ride a horse? And the only response I can, the only rebuttal that I can think to that is that

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what's it called?

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Like, this is different from anachronism. This is more of the divine command theory. But we know that the age of consent varies around the world. And how would we know that they're, like in their nation, that they're in an age of consent is the correct one.

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Right, prove them wrong about liberalism. But what what exactly is your question? Would that be a good response to them? If they were to say that

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the fact that he's a role model, and he did it and he could, he could avoid it not doing it? Yeah, yeah. No, we we say to them, that

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he doesn't have to avoid it because that was the norm of his time. What he has done for us is to advise us to avoid controversial matters. If you are living in a society for example, if something is controversial, and it is optional, optional in Islam, then you can leave it you don't have to do it and getting married. to let's say a woman of a particular age is an option in Islam.

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It is not a must it is not obligatory. It was normal then to do that it is not normal today, we don't have to do it today. How do we know that? The Prophet himself part of this, he told his wife Ayesha, that Oh Ha, if it wasn't for your people, I will bring the door of the Kaaba down to the ground level. But the reason I cannot do that is because it's going to cause a controversy, or something that wasn't obligatory, for him to do. He avoided it. He didn't do it, because it would cause controversy today, getting married to, let's say, a younger woman.

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And that sort of age would cause controversy. We Muslims are actually advised by the prophets, on example, to not do that. So that's why we don't do it today. Right? So yeah, normal then was normal for them. Right? Today, people's expectations, their more their social norms have changed. So we don't have to do optional things. We don't have to do them, we can simply avoid them because the Prophet sallallahu Sallam himself, from his own example, taught us that, that you be very of social norms of the people you live in. Yeah, what what is obligatory in Islam cannot be left under any circumstances, we cannot leave our obligations, right? For example, five daily prayers, passing in

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the month of Ramadan, and giving charity, these are the things we cannot leave under any circumstances. But whatever is optional, and it may cause let's say, controversy in a given society, we don't have to do it we can simply avoided due to the principle principle of Musleh and Masada. Okay, we have the principle, which has been discussed by our jurists at length, that anything that causes problems or controversy in our society, we shouldn't do it, we should avoid it, actually. Okay, that's my answer. I hope that makes sense. Yeah, it does make sense and I forgot to mention this last time I was here but I really enjoy videos about with maanden fodio and sallahu Deen

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because they're very unsung of Islam. And there's a lot more coming in sha Allah, do watch one of my lectures on my channel, it is titled The age of ISI historical consideration. So I discuss a lot of these things anachronism and other things and how do we respond to questions like this in that particular lecture is lengthy, but perhaps you will find it beneficial inshallah. Alright, so I'm like, thank you so much. Well, it just is, again to remind you, this is a very important appeal for you to pay heed to Chawla Sapiens institute.org. forward slash donate live is the link. Tonight we are discussing liberalism and secularism. Okay, so liberalism has been used lately by some Western

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powers as the yardstick to measure the level of civilization or for other nations, other people, other regions. So this is something we're trying to highlight is not a fair thing to do. Because

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the western, the Westerners were not always liberal. They were at times, following other ideologies or systems. Now they are found liberalism. It is not fair to enforce a fourth liberalism down people's throats, especially when they have their own systems to live by. Islam is one of those systems Islam is a great system that produced a huge civilization. For over 1000 years. This civilization dominated the world militarily, economically, intellectually, educationally. Okay, there were the largest libraries in the world were in the Muslim world a lot. The best scholars, best thinkers, philosophers, points, scientists, authors, they were in the Muslim world, even Jewish

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and Christian scholars flourished throughout the Muslim world from a Londoners to China, right, people who were seen as the Muslim citizens of the world, they could cross borders freely openly. for Jews, and Christians, and others from other religions. They were free to travel through the Muslim world and relative security. So the Muslim civilization, which is very often undermined by islamophobes on Islamophobia, Islamophobic media outlets, it is hardly talked about, so we the Muslim, okay, we need to talk more and more and more about the Muslim civilization and our achievements of the past. Okay. Imagine the Muslim has dominated the world for over 1000 years, the

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best and the largest libraries were in the Muslim world, the lives of Baghdad before it was destroyed by the Mongols was the largest library on the planet. Okay. The Library of Spain, let's say Granada, you know, when the Catholic Monarchs in 1492 they took the last stronghold in Spain, on the Muslims. The city of Granada, they burnt 1 million books that were found in the library of Grenada. Okay. Many other libraries. You know, they were they faced similar fate, but these people over

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Essentially Islamophobic, the Mongols as well as the Catholic Monarchs, they didn't realize that this was a faith protected by Allah. And Allah preserved the legacy of Islam and Muslims forever. So no matter what islamophobes do, no matter what

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they try to achieve in the Islamophobic attacks against Islam, they will be biting their nails forever, continuously, they'll be pulling their hair because they won't achieve what they're trying to achieve. The Islamic civilization is the biggest source of inspiration for Muslim youth in the world today. And this is exactly what Sapiens Institute is trying to do. It is trying to disseminate awareness and realization of the great achievements of the Muslim civilization, among other things. The philosophy we talk about comes from our giants like our Rizzoli, and other scholars that theology we promote. Of course, it is also from our giants of the past, and other ideas, other

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intellectual defenses we are using in our videos and our public and our published published materials, and our books and articles in our researchers and our webinars in our seminars. Most of this inspiration is actually coming from the Giants we are standing on, I mean, we're standing on the shoulders of giants literally will lie. Some of the Muslim giants, they produce amazing works in the Arabic language in the Persian language. The question is who's going to study all this, this will Sapiens Institute is trying to do is trying to raise awareness of the achievements of the past, so that we can really take pride in them and disseminate knowledge about them in the world, so that

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people can take inspiration, our youth can take inspiration, okay, instead of taking inspiration from Hollywood and Bollywood movies, we really need to start understanding and realizing that there is a lot better.

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You know, there are many better models to follow out there. So this is why Sapiens institute.org forward slash donate live is your link, you need to promote this link, you need to spread this link.

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You need to actually actively start, you know, supporting this institution. As I explained earlier, this institution is defending the intellectual boundaries of Islam. Okay, we are defending Islam against all sorts of Islamophobic attacks. Islam is the most attacked faith in the world. I'm saying this without hesitation. Islamophobia is one of the greatest threats facing Muslims in the world today. And it has been normalized by Western media and other media outlets inspired by the Western media, right? So we really need to start thinking hard about this, what we're going to do about it, when we can educate, we need to educate our masses primarily, and we need to educate the non

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Muslims, the rest of the world, the people we share this planet with, we need to start explaining that Islam far from far from being a threat or a force for evil. It is a force for good as long as done good in the past, look at our civilization. Look at the Muslim civilization, what it has achieved from a London who's from Spain to China, look at our architecture, look at our books, our scholars are thinkers, our points of loss of robot theologians, our our our speakers, our orators look at them, look at the contributions they have made, or look at our teams look at our military generals. Okay, of course, there are mistakes, of course, there are periods of disturbances, right?

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Wait, we don't deny those periods, right. But at the same time, we said the norm of the Muslim civilization for over 1000 years was absolutely magnificent. Okay, we created some of the best thinkers in human history. Of course, among other civilizations, other civilizations did the same. But the Muslims in brought many, many faiths together, for the first time in human history without any fear of persecution, the US had the Golden Age under the protection of Islam. But this is the kind of knowledge we're trying to promote and disseminate through platforms like Sapiens institute.org. And if you want your children to know this stuff, if you want them to take pride in

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the achievement of Islam and Muslims, then you must report institution, this institution Sapiens institute.org, forward slash live is your link that you need to make a donation to our

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beautiful things you said that none about about the civilizational impact of Muslims.

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I think one of the big things that we're doing in Sapiens is to really clarify the narrative, what is the correct Islamic historical narrative? And I'll tell you something that, you know, you know, not everybody is going to, is going to say that, you know, you're not going to find people who are sympathetic to Islamic history or semi cause that you will find the information readily available. And so one of the things that's interesting, in fact, because, you know, I traveled to Islamic Spain a lot and we in fact, have a course prepared for Sapiens. It's

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all prepared or the slides already everything on hamdulillah about the the civilization of lenders of Islamic Spain is that many people don't know in fact that when the Muslims arrived into landless before like 711 Tarik penzion brought his arms to a landless the the Jewish people were already facing intense persecution. So the pre existing visigothic rulers visigothic kings, before King Roderick chin phila record the first and even before that, there was intense policy against the Jews, like what the Muslims or Jews experienced collectively in Inquisition, or in the 15th century, they were being having forced baptism forced conversions there will be expelled, and they said that

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the kids should be taken away from the parents. So there wouldn't be further attack entangled in their deviation, you know. But when the Muslims are absentee landlords, they protected those small communities of Jewish people, they allow them to remain there, they allowed them to settle, they gave them rise, they allowed them to build their synagogues, they could worship in peace, so much so that they became instrumental. In fact, in in that golden parachute, we call it an envelope. So you had of course, other hand the third of the 10th century. And his, the diplomat, had diplomat, of course, was the Jewish individual has diamond shop route, as diamond shop route was, was, was like a

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Rabbinical scholar in in many ways. I mean, he was someone who would translate in Hebrew texts. But he was the one in fact that after Amanda third would use to go and bring in the deployments, and people of nobility from from other parts of the world, European world, and let them see the splendor of Al Andalus, like the Mendoza Hara, and kotoba, and so on, and so forth. So this really big points are about justice, because the whole point about Islamophobia is that they create this, you know, this,

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this fear of, of Islam and and of Muslims, based upon an image projection, largely in in Western media. So the Muslim appears kind of as the one who is barbaric or the one who is darkened. And this is something that is not new to the Muslims. It's something of course, that the the African Americans, of course, on the west as well, my book on being human commerce is in fact, at length. It's something that, you know, the Vietnamese experienced, you know, so people, of course, experiences throughout Asia, because that's how a stereotype is created is created by kind of putting everybody in one in one in one homogenous entity, or non homogenous entity. But the point is

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that when the Muslims came into an undiluted and great civilization, they saw these

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these minority groupings like the Jews, and they afforded them rights and privileges, and including, of course, the Christians who did not embrace Islam who remained as Christians by also allowing them to remain a live in peace. And then of course, there are civilizations also thrived in that same space is about creating the space opportunity that facilitates the growth of, of agricultural growth of industry, the growth of sciences, and so on and so forth. And it's a great testament, in fact, to, to that great, remarkable history, you know, of the Muslims, and there's so many like that. And I wanted to also remember, if we're not speaking about kind of only a distant past, Muslims have

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been instrumental in our contemporary history, as well. In my book on being human, which you can download for free on sapiens, your website, my final chapter, in fact, is on the genocide of Rwanda, Shaka now knows a lot a lot about that, because he's met the key players at that time, celebrity mana and of course, he's traveled to Rwanda as well. But that's something that's 1994. And I remember an event that was hosted by yourself, because none, you know, on Islam in Africa, and I remember that one of the speakers at the table was saying that, that's kind of Africa, the word he used, he said, it's like the golden rule. I don't know if you recall what he said. He said, it's

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like the golden, something that that what the Muslims showed in those 90 100 days, was like something that was just unparalleled, unparalleled, and I truly believe that 100% I think, my Valenti chapter in which you can read for free, you know, from that book on sequences, your website called on being human. But that's something that's not too distant. And of course, you know, history, the study, 1994 and and many, many other examples, you know, like that, as well. And I think, therefore, the whole point is to feel a sense of pride in your heart, you're filled with pride in your history and your civilization. And, of course, remember, this is stemming from

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stemming from Islamic guidelines, Islamic principles of justice, of harmony, of tolerance, of a peacemaking of mercy. These are all emanating, you know, from from the Islamic paradigm. And that's what we're saying. That's what we have to have pride in. Right. Our kids should have pride in that sense of Islamic Islamic paradigm. That's creating all

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These things, the sense of goodwill, you know, Justice between people that's not coming from this the feelings of just empathy for people. I mean, empathy is great. But it's empathy that's directed, guided by, you know, Islamic principles of having love and mercy for people that's coming from the stomach guidelines is something that we know will be what we're promoting.

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Absolutely share with man, you know, the case of Rwanda is just a fascinating case. You know,

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you know, Rwanda might be one of the least Islamophobic countries in the world today. The reason why this exactly the reason is, the role of the Muslims is still very fresh in the memories of the Rwandan

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Muslims, fortunately, did not become a party to the genocide, Muslims from both sides, Hutu and Tutsi, both sides respectively, they did not become a party to the genocide. And and, you know, the president of the country, Paul Kagame had asked his people to leave the churches as it is as they are, because these some of the churches were used, unfortunately, to commit the genocide. Okay, actually, the genocide was committed in some insight, some churches, right. So he asked his people to leave the walls with shrapnel marks will leave the the touches on people's bodies, you know, leave the remains. And I've seen some of these churches with my own eyes. I've gone to the to the

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basement where the remains are kept. I have seen that with more and eyes, the skulls and the bones of the victims of the genocide. Yeah. And he praised Islam in the parliament in one of the one of the events and he said, the role Muslims played in the genocide, the positive role in saving 1000s of lives of the people who took refuge in the mosques and in the houses will never be forgotten. No, in fact,

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in fact, he considered himself to be a friend of the Muslims, even though Muslims are called Gumby is very friendly towards Muslims. Yeah, he said. He said, like he said that he said that, in a God sent us, the Muslims to teach other Rwandans how to live up to the human,

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literally unbelievable

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realization of Islam we cherish

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it in Kigali, in Kigali, because Kigali was the first major dumping ground for bodies of to civic culture. It was the first one. And so they used to dump their bodies, Muslims used to take out their canoes, you know, you take out the canoes in the lake of Kigali to try and take out the bodies of these victims. And when they used to be asked, why would you do that? Because it is printed, they had to think about do or die the entire hallway, you know, the the armed youth militia? They would say, why would you do because you're running the risk of dying yourself. And they would say things like, that's what Allah says that if you save a life, you save the life of everybody, if you take a

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life unit.

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I mean, they were guided by Islamic principles. And I'll tell you something, when they asked Shekhar salia vimana in an interview,

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how did you do what you did? Because it's absolutely unprecedented. Right? You're a minority, small minority in that country. And you at the risk of death, you and the Muslim people could could risk your own lives to save the lives of countless number of Christians. You know, the Muslims, like you mentioned that the monasteries and churches they're barricaded you know, the the barricade themselves, they will lock the gates, the Shrek soleimani said that you have to open the doors of every mosque, and you have to allow these to season and he said that the Muslims should give them their headscarves and the men should give them the prayer beads and disguise them as Muslims. And

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that's exactly what happened. And he said that when these things happened, the the principle was that when he when he asked a question, how did you do what you did you know when he mentioned he mentioned one than one verse in the Quran when Allah says it favorability he asked for either the Vayner Kobe Nadal with an uncanny Willingham him, Allah says repel evil with what is better than it. And the one between whom I knew him there's enmity, because mutual friends, but interesting that the context of this verse is dour is to call the word to autoworld. To Allah. Allah says, woman is an old amendment that will allow I'm going to slowly hand will color in little muslimeen who is better

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in speech than here calls to Allah and does good deeds and says I am one of the Muslims and Allah says that the good isn't comparable to the evil and Allah says repel evil with good. That's exactly what he what he quoted. And it's true. That's the paradigm is the lowest and that's that's a model for us very quickly, I want to mention very quickly. salmaan Khurshid is typing in the comment section. We are taking questions but if you can

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type your question, because I'm not I'm not able to take people in currently. So samancor sheet if you can type your question in the chat, and we will try our best to answer Muhammad, please do likewise. type your question in the chat, inshallah, and we will take your question and answer it, I do apologize, I'm actually not able to take you into the feed into the live feed.

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So inshallah do ask your question in the comment section and we will inshallah respond to it as soon as possible. So sort of wander is an is an excellent example of the Muslim civilization, how thriving and are living it is, how it shows that Islam prevents people from becoming a party to mass murder. And, you know, acts like this, you know, although people might argue that in other places, it didn't happen, but we can say that where it happened, it was definitely due to Islam. And when it didn't happen, it's clear that they completely ignored Islam, the complete notice lamb unfortunately, okay, for example, people people can talk about what happened during the Indian

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partition in 1947, where atrocities are committed committed from committed from both sides, which is a fair, fair point, but we show people that how people in both cases when they did commit atrocities, they followed their passions, passion of revenge, instead of following Islamic teachings and even in even in those cases, there are examples where people protected Hindus, they they were hiding Hindus and Sikhs in the in the households so that they don't get get killed. There are hundreds of stories where people actually gave refuge to Hindus and Sikhs in their houses, where they protected them against the mob. So there are some questions you have of man

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inshallah,

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one brother Faisal assadi. The article My question is about something mentioned earlier about the current state of liberalism is a consequence of the European experience. Is there a case to be made for Islam influencing john Locke's work, since during this his time, as far as I know, the Ottoman Empire was the only multicultural empire in which bits were going? Actually, that's a very good question. And john Locke, it is claimed, was potentially influenced by Islam. How? That's a very good

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you know, it's a very interesting story. JOHN Locke had a teacher called Edward pokok, and the University of Oxford and Edward pokok is considered to be the first orientalist in Britain. pokok had traveled extensively throughout the Muslim world collecting works on Islamic history and Islamic philosophy, and all that. And having read all those books in the Arabic language, because pokok knew the Arabic language, he started to lecture in the University of Oxford and john Locke attended those lectures willingly. And in fact, Locke said that I would attend pokok lectures more willingly willingly than I would

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attend other people's. So

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his theory on government, john Locke's theory in government, that the government is a trust in the hands of the rulers, is very much inspired by Islam. And many people argue that that theory Locke took from the lectures of pokok and put it forward as a theory of governance, in his philosophy. So Locke, in his concept of tolerance and coexistence, very much influenced by potentially by Islam, and even his unitarianism possibly had something to do with his, his influences from Islam. So we can we can make all these claims.

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I don't know if there is an indirect mentioned about Islam in his writings. But Locke was definitely

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listening to Islamic content. There is no doubt about that, because pokok was an orientalist was teaching at the University of Oxford and Locke was attending his lectures. There is no doubt that Locke did

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come across Islamic content or Islamic philosophy on governance and other things. Right. There may be other questions. For the Hamza we couldn't let people in. So we were we were asking them to type their questions in the comment section. We are answering. I have a question for you but are none.

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Okay, what's your question on why did Richard Leinart not conquer Jerusalem? He made a long journey, but then he suddenly turned around. Why did he do that? He shared with mine just went I think he should have wanted that question. But the question is posed to me, Richard Lionheart, turned around six miles away from the city of Jerusalem and didn't even want to look at the city. And when he was asked, why did you want to look at the city he said, what I cannot conquer, I will not gaze upon, right? And he turned around because he was too

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Followed by generals, military advisors, that it is a futile exercise, we simply won't be able to conquer the city, because behind us is the hostile

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Muslim population and in front of us is a trained army base, you know, that that that way we are going to be seated, and there is no water supply because all the wells outside of the city of Jerusalem were poisoned. And, of course, there is another reason which not many people know about. So burn Saladino up was in the city of Jerusalem at the time. And he was extremely worried about this situation because Richard was a fearsome character. He had already killed 3000 Muslims in

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during the siege of acre. And so bond, the Sultan was worried that if he was able to take the city, then he would massacre the population. And he went to his share bow being a bunch of dad, asking him for advice, a check advise them as to what he must do. The sheriff told him just going back to the Lord of the words, he is the one who gives victory is the one who gives defeat. So ask him, so Bogdanovich or dad himself narrates in his biography of some fansler Dean, that the Sultan went to the masjid you prostrated on a prayer mat, and the prayer mat was wet with his tears, and he cried to Allah and was making duar continuously great bed was full of kids. And for some reason, Richard

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turns around and leaves without harming the Muslims of Jerusalem at the time. So this is my short answer to that question. I was a little tired I'm thinking okay, thank you so much. And I think Okay, so let's have

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fun here.

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Guys, someone is first so I was actually Oh, wasn't

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that great. Very good. Other bro mela bressi salmaan

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Santa Monica. Monica Rahmatullah

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brother Muhammad and as well as been waiting for a very long time. Apparently, he's been waiting to speak with me for three years. So if we can let him in as well, inshallah, actually let him go first, Brother Mohammed, you've been waiting to speak with me for three years. May Allah bless you. I don't know why. Why do you find me so special? But go ahead.

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brother Muhammad your life? Yeah. Can you hear me? Yes, Allah. So Allah Salaam, how are you brothers? Good. Lord bless you. Oh, my God, that's like a dream coming true.

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I mean, I've been watching you for a long time. And like you inspire me a lot by what you do around the world and in speaker's corner. I mean, all these experience that I'm learning from you, it's like amazing. And I'm doing that every day, even before I go to sleep, I watch it. And I gain a lot of knowledge out of you. So that's, that's something like very important.

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But 100 I have a question. Like, we have different genres, as far as I know, like seven journalists. I don't know if it's that. That's right or not. And you have Jonathan for those. So like, you have people that want to meet the Prophet, Muhammad Sallallahu sallam. He's in Janata for those, of course, and you know, God created people in different ways, different mentalities, different personalities, and they do different stuff like your Eman might be stronger than mine.

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And it's pretty, I feel like maybe pretty bad, but because you go to Janata for those and I don't like is that how does it like sit? I don't know how it works like if I do some good deeds, but my deeds are not good enough to be with the Prophet. Is that something that we're going to experience later on? Or? Not necessarily? Not necessarily, not if you follow the Prophet advice, you know, the prophets on the life column, C was asked similar questions and he said, help me to help you. And the Sava said, how you are for love. He said, Pray and Allah give you a love of God journal, the highest abode also, the Prophet sallallahu Sallam in a very famous and a very important Hadees. He said, on

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a work capital, your team culture nakahara team, I am the one who supports an orphan will be in paradise like this. You really sincerely want to be with the Prophet sallallahu Sallam in general, verbose, or whatever abode, Allah will give him in Paradise, then start supporting an orphan and do it with that intention. And I cannot imagine Allah subhanaw taala not giving you that honor and privilege, Allah, Allah is the most just allies The most rewarding if you do that, if you follow

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The property advice I don't see why you won't be with the prophet in gymnotus

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Yeah, for Angel Angel I'm not saying like I'm not talking about myself only button in general like there are people that pray that gives a God that do all the things that they have to do. But like you feel a bit low when you watch someone else who has like dedicates himself to Islam and everything or like when if you're our Ahmed Mohammed Mohammed. Yeah, heavy heavy metal bless you mean you have something in common? You know that?

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Well,

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we both love it. No. Oh, well, yeah. Like, oh my god.

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But I don't know you have met in person? I haven't. Yeah.

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That means you guys don't have many people to love.

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me. Listen, have you been mirrored? I have done business transactions together? Yeah, we we've ate together. We've almost lived together. And we've traveled together. We've done everything that you require in order for friendship to manifest itself. Well, I wish I can do that as well. One day. Yeah. And yeah, so hamdulillah it's a privilege, but I wouldn't mention something to you, bro.

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I don't want you to think I want you to see, the Islamic tradition praises the status of the one who calls to Allah. Allah says in the Quran, and who is better in speech and the one who quotes Allah does righteous deeds and says I am one of the Muslims. However, there is a very important context, praise, the maqam praise or aspire to reach that status. But don't overly praise those who try and do the work. Let me explain why.

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understand our context, brother, one of the most as a huge privilege to do this work.

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Allah subhana wa shell showered us with His mercy, and we do not deserve it. But let me tell you something that is a constant, constant worry if loss of the most difficult things. And the more you grow in your Islam, the more you realize this is public work is extremely difficult. It becomes more difficult not by being in public, by by virtue of trying to sort your house heart out when you're engaging in public work. The pious predecessors, the self, they didn't consider the public actions accepted. sufian authority was so worried he had physical effects as a result of being worried about his Nia, I want you to also understand the although Yes, the macom of the art, it should be

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respected because they're a representation of the dean. However, from an individual perspective, you need to make a hell of a lot of data for people involved in the dour. Because the greatest struggle, like I'm not gonna say this as well, like, Man, you can throw him anywhere and I set you firm on Mars who gives you have 50 aliens, and he will destroy them.

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The point is this though, and he will tell you and even maybe with my own experiences, the delegate sometimes easier, or what you get more worried about is your heart and your lungs. And I'm telling you, bro, sometimes I don't even wish it on anybody is something like once gonna sit to me. It's something that you're always going to be worried about. And so I want you to understand that context as well. Yes, it's a praiseworthy Muslim. You must respect people who call to the dean, especially the Messiah, because of the inheritors of the prophets of the Prophet salallahu alayhi wasallam However, this work, the hardest struggle is effortless. So I want you to make sincere offer every

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single one of us. I do I do. And I want you to be encouraged for you to get involved in this work. Since you've been watching online. Rashid's debates and topics and discussions motivational. You're the perfect person to engage with our work to become a volunteer to get involved in Sapiens. Where are you from? I'm from Lebanon, but I live in Turkey. Okay, brilliant. So, Turkey, Turkey? Yes. Let me explain what I mean by this. So from a social political point of view, are they gonna open the gates for the Dow in 2004? This is what that affects whether you like him or not is irrelevant. The point is, what have they assumed that happened in Turkey was non existent prior to 2004? Just ask

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any people who would like him, we would all like him to give him that credit. And the you know, there's lots of money being pushed to the Dow and so on and so forth. But the tech issues at the moment, and I spoke to two academics, one for mama University and one from even hadou and others. In my field is this that is a massive crisis of nihilism. There's a massive crisis even hedonism amongst the youth, theorized there needs to be a grass roots movement because the current

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People are doing the dour. They've just amassed lots of money and they don't have the right strategy from what I understand. And I know because I've engaged in Turkey on that level. Yeah. And

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so what my advice would be the greatest service you could do Habibi, because I believe from a social political perspective, tech is like the last man standing.

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I mean, with all due respect, we don't we don't talk. I mean, maybe Pakistan. Allah. Allah works in wonderful ways.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah, I don't want to say is from the outset, what you see is many left yet, and we know that he's gonna be victorious. Anyway, with or without us. We just have to, you know, try and get be part of that reward when we're nowhere. Yeah, of course, any we're not anywhere near facing a threat like the Mongol invasions. No, no, no, I didn't mean that what it was is, you know, it is like, probably like one of the last beacons of light in a way.

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And what you need to do, bro is, now's the time to create a very quick grassroots popular and academic intellectual grassroots movement in Turkey, where we win the hearts and minds of people. And we go away from the ideological rhetoric from the social political rhetoric, and we just affect people's hearts. Because Well, I have learned something about Turkish people, even the second years, bro, they have a lot of love for the deen. And what happens is, there's this excessive ideological narrative that splits the Muslim practicing with the secular people. But when I meet with people, I realized, these people are only like this because of society, because of their background, because

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the historical, social political circumstances

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and because of that lack of knowledge, but if we treat them as our brothers and sisters that have slightly gone off the path, and we've through love and empathy, want to bring it back on, I'm telling you, you will win these people over and these are good people. These are sincere people. And we should not fall for the ideological rhetoric. That is the practicing guys versus the secular guys. It's not that simple. And it's never that simple. And we need to create this wins hearts and minds of people both.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you. I would love to speak to

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talk to you next time. Maybe Thank you very much. And I appreciate it. And I'll keep I'll keep watching. Thank you Have a good night, guys. Thank you.

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We have another brother we can take him in meet child who has been waiting for a very long time so we can take he said he's going to be very quick. So I request from the rest of the brothers who have questions to be very quick, because we have very little time left.

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Before we come to you, please mute yourself for now for a few minutes. inshallah. Okay, so we have very little time left. I want to remind everyone watching that brothers and sisters tonight we are here to read.

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Sapiens Institute is an organization that has been working for the last nine months, and it has trained 6000 people who defend Islam intellectually, may Allah bless this institution and the people

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tuition, so the least you can do is to support this institution inshallah make a donation on the link that's rolling on the screen. Do not

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take it lightly. So let's go to the next question. Epsilon four. She's very quickly what's your question your statement, or we can put on

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mute, we can hear the sound in the background. Yes, go ahead. Salaam Alaikum Sergi Believe me is my brain to meet video nanosheet because you inspire me from 2019 anyone comes up comes I also greets you with all when I watch your lecture or debate with Professor Krauss you inspire me in philosophy, philosophy. So come into questions how I have two questions set up man if I belong from not police agency from Pakistan, so if I will miss second English because it's my so we so please forgive me if I make a mistake? No question. So my first question is that we have a lot of interest to study the books or the people of the people of the Christian the Jews of the semester, and I assume that the

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Dr. Mike and user helped me to study and contemplate that. But here we live in a society of four products because they consider the returns towards study of these books, their possibility we stray from the right path possible we stray from the right paths. That's why you should do not to study the books of the people, the Bible or the Talmud of the Jews. My first question is a non issue for you this second question is that we see some inherent shower, some in universities, some of the liberal so called professors, where students are so question with regards to the religious issues. So this is the professor's gives a short little base to see the books of Richard Dawkins say the

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book of Richard Dawkins also gives me argumentation of the book. So that gives me the onset of all this question that we have in this sphere. Thank

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This mic was no problem. The second question will be answered for when they when they promote Richard Dawkins, what you do is you tell the students at the same time or tell the professors to mention an antidote as well, which is Hamza sources. The Divine reality. So always mentioned don't fail to mention and it has been translated into the Urdu language, it is in the pipeline, we will publish it inshallah very soon, and it will be popularized in Pakistan as well. It has been translated into Turkish it has been translated into the Arabic language, it has been translated into the Urdu language. So we will disseminate it in Pakistan as well so that people can hear that side

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as well. It is a huge problem is it is like epidemic in Pakistan, where professors are deliberately trying to promote atheism in Pakistani universities. And of course, we need a counter movement, and that that must be led by students and attend our courses, our seminars, and our webinars and read our articles and books, you will see a lot of

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the first question was about, you know, guiding misguided people in places like Pakistan, of course, you see, the reason we study Talmud, and the Bible and the biblical commentaries is to show the light as we see it to the Christians and the Jews. Were giving power to the non Muslims. So we obviously are using the literature and their sources to show them that how Islam is true, right. But when it comes to Pakistan, of course, we cannot use the Bible to talk to the Muslims or Muslims we need the Quran and the Sunnah. We do our, to the Muslims as well. And there are many scholars are trying to do that there are so many good scholars in Pakistan, who are doing a great job, online,

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very popular scholars, Mashallah. And you're, you're probably, you'd saw a great, great job, you know, you'd love content if you listen to them. In Sharla. We have more people. So I would love to pick you for longer, please go ahead each other very quickly. Make your point.

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This one from Hamza Hamza. So it tells me that one what kind of attitude we should adopt when a professor tried to focus an anti Islamic ideas on the religion, what kind of ethical reason because sometimes we confer with the teachers, and one day when you try to get an aggression with the students, so what kind of attitude we should adopt during this trip? For people like good boy? Yeah, of course, or I must have 11 claws. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, what I would say, Salomon Brothers. salmaan is number one, the way Musa alayhis salam was told to speak to him spoke to speak to sorry, specifically for our own and on was la Yunnan. Okay, mmm, cool to be in his tafsir. He

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basically says that, if Musa alayhis salaam had to speak softly and kindly to fit our own, then imagine how we must speak to anybody else. So the default position in any type of interaction is always kindness and softness. Then over time, when you see the more variables change, that maybe you have to change your stance to be a bit more assertive. Because when you see the ayat in that sort of that Allah will disburse, when the throne was a bit more persistent than than most, I was a bit more assertive. But the default position is always compassion and kindness. So use compassion, kindness and wisdom. And I'm telling you, there is nothing more powerful than someone with good o'clock,

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without coming across too emotional, and showing them how they are intellectually wrong, how they have a false perspective, false assumptions. And if you're able to able to articulate yourself with wisdom, which means saying in the right place at the right time, in the right way, and you do it and you do it with a clock, then I'm telling you, the power of that will be phenomenal. Don't get angry, don't get emotional, don't throw a tantrum, don't insult them, because this is what they want to see. And they want to claim that these Muslims are unable to have an intellectual dialogue. And this is not the perfect way. It's not the perfect, absolutely. So let's move on. Brother Forman, thank

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you so much for your

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your book and look out for the divine reality.

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The book has been translated into the Urdu language it is in the pipeline is going to be published very soon and it will be available in Pakistan inshallah. Paula, so look out for the book inshallah. Okay, thank you so much. For the next question. Keep it short and snappy inshallah. Let's go by the wood up here,

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Solomonic.

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Allah? How are you guys doing?

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Okay, so I'm just gonna actually keep keep this thing short. So I guess people are waiting. So I've taken the book of Hamza and read like 80 pages of it. And I kind of felt like I was

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it was great. Well, I have to say that I don't want to be arrogant or something like my but my suggestion is that we need your book and also enforce the language. And I think it's already It's already in the Farsi language. Really.

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Yeah.

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So, I believe it's in the Farsi language I forgot who did it. I need to find out but if you ask around, see is learning Kurdish Turkish Farsi, bangla French Arabic.

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I've got

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Yeah, I'm Russian. Russian is coming up his Republican Party. I believe so bro, someone actually sent me. Let me just double check someone send me a copy. It's

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a been in as well.

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So brother there is a party foundation apparently.

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So why don't we collect these translations and put them up?

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Once again?

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Yeah, because actually, I've noticed that even you know, Dawkins has the slide, you know, he publishes things in Iran or in Afghanistan or this. Yeah, translation of his books, you know, God Delusion, poison, like, like anything they are funded. This is exactly what we're saying here. These guys look at the doc in the books of Dawkins are being translated into the Muslim languages so that the Muslims can become apostate. So anybody

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you know, is Farsi Persian. Yeah. Yeah. So he's here. I don't know if you could read the policy. Let me just show it to you. Yeah, I can. I'm pushing myself. Where you're gonna find it. Don't Don't

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wait.

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Because he can read the publisher here. That's why I have the catalog here. It says so. But I cannot see the publisher. So

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the phones are so small, so I cannot send me send me a picture. humbler? Send me a picture. I'll read it, then. I'll do that right now. One second. One second. I'll read the publisher, the name of the publisher, don't worry.

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As

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I just saw that on the sheet said, you know, these people are actually like poisoning the Muslim world nowadays. So yes, yes. We need an antidote, the antidote in Sapiens Institute, we need more institutions like this. Our works are being translated into do and, and Farsi and Arabic and other languages hamdulillah. So we have both. Okay, one second. The publisher is

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humming Hamza. Okay, no, one second. That's your name. Okay.

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Go to the back page with it with the, with the barcode is one second. The publisher is Pamela. We will be publishing in Afghanistan or in Afghanistan.

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Really? I mean, I'm I'm from Afghanistan, but I have actually not I haven't noticed that so that's okay. difficult to read the name, you know,

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the publishers name. It's very difficult to make out.

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If

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no, no, I cannot see it. So I cannot see it clearly. Okay. Yes, it's something side. It's something so either I don't know. But we can Okay. Can you Google it? Can you find it on a website somewhere? Well, I think the brother who did his hard copy so it's been done done. He

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was robbed.

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Or Donna Barbary? No, No. Yes. No, nobody basically means atheism. So yes.

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Remain Edyta Allah. Go ahead. Well, Mama.

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Okay. Yeah, yes. Okay. So you can find, I'm pretty sure you might be able to find it somewhere.

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Hamza, we need to find these books and put them up for people to download or Yes, while the country. So it is impossible. Yeah, it's actually like I mentioned this, you know, I was actually like, shocked when I heard the news. You know, in even in Kabul University, there was actually people that are advocating Satan worshipping, you know, to that extent, you know, I was actually shocked when I heard that. So,

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huge struggle is a huge global struggle. Yeah, we continue in JAMA with I was so thanks. Thanks for your time. So next time your

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brother sisters, don't forget to to make a donation if you can and support the work. And while we're taking these questions, inshallah, let's take these final question. Last question. Yeah. Last few questions. Okay. Mohammed, is key, a charity of

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Allah Mubarak. Thank you.

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So.

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So I have one question. Do you think that in order to really come close to Islam, one has to have some prerequisite qualities

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like a strong deep motive motivation?

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Because when I look at the word, not everybody, not even every Muslim

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tries to understand better the religion and his deep. So is that from this perspective, is is the secular and liberal word.

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Is it? Is it because of this more attractive and common to, to the word? So, so that's my question. Did you get that question um the

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qualities prerequisites to be guided? You're going to answer this one row. Okay? No, I mean, look, Allah subhanaw taala looks at hearts. If your heart seeks guidance, Allah will guide you no matter what, even if you are in a cave somewhere, and you want

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Allah, Allah will guide you. So Allah subhanaw taala will look at your heart if your desires guidance. For example, Abraham, the story of you, Brian is a powerful example for us in the Quran, that he was looking for Allah, he was looking for God, he looked at the moon, he said, this cannot be God because it disappears. He looked at the sun, he said this cannot be God because it just simply because these are life giving entities you know, the sun and the moon are life giving entities. So they looked at the sun, he said cannot be God with resets, then Allah subhanaw taala guided him revealed to him that this is your God, this is him. So if you really truly seek guidance,

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it is impossible for Allah not to guide you because a lot of promise guidance, those who seek it, so it's entirely to do with the heart. I hope that answers your question. And we just very short just by an alternative interpretation of the Ibraheem alehissalaam narrative was actually not the fact that he wanted guidance. It was more of a rhetorical argument against the politics of the time. So some that's a separate incident. That's that's when he was debating. Okay, yes, this is a second when he was seeking God when he was speaking or even about his below. He wants to see a miracle the Yeah, yes. Yes, that's but that doesn't mean that he's he didn't have yaqeen he wanted like this

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Elmo. yaqeen haka canine in your Can you want to the higher? Yes, absolutely. Yes. So good luck with that. That's your answer. Brother, brother, actually, may Allah bless you. Thank you so much.

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Thank you, and let's move on to the next question of maybe smead sharp, keep it short. sheshe brush the meat. You said you will keep it very short and quick. So let's go ahead and see how short you can keep it inshallah.

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Molly, come ready.

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Okay, so very fast. I want to ask a question to Brother Hamza and to start and then, as you know, that I am trying to do Dawa over here in Malaysia, especially to the six

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but content is very difficult to find the start and but the Hamza if I could get any way of your help, to reach out to you to contact you and get some information and work together in sha Allah, to to spread the word of Islam, the truth of Islam, to the Malaysian community, especially to the sake that's my question.

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Okay, great question. And

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the best thing to do is there are some art that have very good contacts in Malaysia. So if you were to ask me about Malaysia, the person I would recommend you to his brother. I don't know if you know brother fugly or Han.

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Brother father Abraham has got good connections and he'll be able to give talking about physics in particular. Yes, yeah. The issue is fugly knows people who know people he's very he's very well connected in in Malaysia, and he'll be able to give you the right context as As for my direct contacts in Malaysia and seek material I have no idea. So the only person I would recommend is contacted to add their brother fugly. berghahn is accessible on social media as well. He's a very good brother. I've worked with him personally. Very hard work in martial arts about a COLA and he'll be able to give you access to people who be able to help you directly maybe advanced got a solution

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as well, but that's my my current solution for the button. I know him as a representative of IRA here in Malaysia. The only problem is he's not in Malaysia is in Singapore. Ah, okay. Okay. Good point. I don't know so maybe I'm not gonna help you in this one.

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Okay. You see, there was a website I was aware of.

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It was Islam for Sikhs or something like that I have lost.

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Look, I will find someone to help out. inshallah. I am not aware of any content from a Muslim perspective on Sikhs. Unfortunately Sikh community is a very neglected community when it comes to Dawa and we really need to do some work there. That is a very uneven Hindus for some reason, even Hindus. We haven't had any solid works written by Muslim scholars, of course, apart from the ones we know already. So we really need to focus start focusing on six. I was aware of some work online Islam for six or six Sikhism, Sikhism and Muslims.

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Something like that. There's a website I was aware of. I can't find it at the moment but you're right brother will if you if you keep in touch with

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there is another brother called Libra I think Ibrahim but the brain is not insane in Malaysia

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so if you keep in touch with us on on social media if you get in touch with me on my Facebook page message me that you have spoken with me on the live feed and I will find a solution to this problem inshallah. Okay, that's really done. A very I've already done that a few apologize on your Instagram and on your Facebook, but there was no

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segment messages there Facebook, can I

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can Vijay? Yeah. Can I share my email in the personal chat and inshallah maybe you can take me from there. The best way to get in touch with me do send me a message or through my personal Facebook account, which has a gold coin. It has a gold coin as the DPW. Okay, so me a message through that and we'll keep in touch inshallah. Okay, we'll work on this problem. Okay. So many other things in

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our

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lives.

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Okay, let's go to next one. So me and my mother, and that's it.

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So me, me.

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Me, me. Me. How are you doing? Go ahead.

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Yeah, I've got just two quick questions for the song she asked. So simpler Hamza, you mentioned that, that is volunteering for Sapiens. I'm sorry to ask, how would you do it and I think that qualifications that you

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know, so luckily, Hebrew for your interest. So if you're going to Sapiens is your website, you go to request and underneath clicking, you click volunteer, there's actually a volunteer form. It's quite robust form you could upload your CV as well and you have to agree certain things. And then eventually we'll get back to you now have to be honest with you, we've got hundreds of requests. And we've got a very small limited team many of the brothers have multiple functions, the act maybe one brother acts like an admin guide the management guy than the editor than this than the other. So at the moment, it's a bit chaotic. So there's a lot of people on that list however we endeavor to get

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back to you. So you could fill in the form your name your email your number, briefly explain why you want to volunteer upload a CV or a covering letter, agree certain statements and then submit it then we'll have it in the database and we'll take it from there inshallah.

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And also one more question for for non cheat so I was watching your lecture on on the on the Mongol invasions

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and then you said that, that that some of the Mongol generals they like converted to Islam, but they weren't AI problems so I was wondering if that if if the end if all of them were not permissible some of them were were actually Muslim I was

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literally situation that

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I didn't get the last bit what what situation sorry if there was not a problem with it all not not Muslim with it. What are some of them truly Muslim?

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Yeah, I mean, if you're talking about Mongols, from Mongolia, later on, converted to Islam and they didn't fully adopt Islam, they were still using Ganga Khan's

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a yardstick as their source of inspiration and source of legal,

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you know, legal,

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source of legal system to rule by are governed by, but that's why a lot of the Olimar did not accept Islam, but there were people like Bercy con. Bercy con was a grandson of Ganga Khan, who accepted Islam and not not only him 1000s 1000s of his followers, the Golden Horde that was governing much of Europe and land as part of Poland. These people became Muslims because of Bercy Khan. Bercy Khan was a contemporary of hulagu auralic who, who destroyed Baghdad and Bercy Han, was very disturbed by that and even fought his own Mongol cousin to avenge the murder of the Kaylee's in Baghdad. So, there is a book by Peter Jackson, a very interesting book on the Mongol history. It is titled The

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book is titled The Mongols and the Islamic world, okay, by Peter Jackson, get that book. It's a very, very good read. Perhaps you need to skip the first few chapters and go straight to the history where he describes the history of Mongols and their their relationship with Islam. Right, Peter Jackson, the Mongols and the Muslim world. I hope that answers your question. Okay, thank you very much.

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Next Muhammad, last question, and inshallah, then we will end this particular live feed inshallah, as salaam aleikum wa rahmatullah. So I

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I don't have a question. I just like to share some information. I think it'd be a good closer and a huge email.

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Right.

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Hello. Sorry, bro, can you come back in? I accidentally kicked him out of here before he's coming back in. I found a website where our brother

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our brother, what's his name? What was the name of the brother?

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I forgot his name. So meet the meet brothers a mutual. I have found a website where you can find some good information. It is titled Islam sikhism.com. Okay, Islam sikhism.com

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is lm SIKHIS m.com. Okay, Islam sikhism.com edge is a very good endeavor. I'm not saying all the website, every single piece of information there is something I recommend. But it seems to be a website on Islam and Sikhism. It is I'm pretty sure created by a Sikh convert to Islam. And he is is giving some information to the Mohammed back. So Mohammed zactly. Yeah, that's all good. I got so scared. I was like, What the heck.

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So did you guys hear anything I said, or you said you'd be any mom because that's what we had. Oh, yeah. So

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are you aware of Keith Ward?

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He said, Yes, I am. Yes. Okay. So for those that aren't, he's a English Anglican priest, philosopher, theologian. He is a fellow of the British Academy of priests of the Church of England. He was a canon of Christ Church of Oxford until 2003. comparative theology and relationships between science and religion are two of his main topics. He was a religious professor of divinity at the University of Oxford. Essentially, he is one of the most distinguished Christian theologians in Britain and maybe the world today on YouTube channel called blogging theology. It's run by someone named Paul, he's a you might have seen him in speaker's corner. He has stated that he believes that

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Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi. wasallam, is a prophet of God. And not only that, he also believes that the Quran is a divine revelation from God. And he says that this is nearly and I'm quoting him nearly universally accepted among his Christian theology, colleagues, that Mohammed peace be upon him was a prophet of God. And he adds that a lot of layman Christians don't believe this. And he says, and then he goes on talking about the difference between layman Christians and actual Christian theologians, and this is Mohammed is a Catholic in the Catholic tradition in one of the books in actual fact, and not many people know this.

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That in their literature, it says that they actually believe that Islam is a way to salvation. So I don't know if Keith wood is a Catholic. I'm not too sure

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about the fact that he's such a huge name. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. For him to say this, I really have to watch this program. I. It's incredible. It is unbelievable. Yeah, I'll just think in the comments. And if he said this, then obviously it's a huge statement made by NASA is doing us a favor is only acknowledging the truth. But this is absolutely amazing. But, but really just just just to be a little bit,

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kind of balanced on this issue, although it's fantastic, fantastic news. We also have to be a little bit careful because from a social perspective, social psychological perspective, when you create such a narrative, then what they do there's a subtle understanding that they think the door could swing both ways. Because we have to be honest that Christianity is not a means to salvation, current form biblical mainstream Christianity. Yeah. So just psychologically speaking, sometimes when the Muslims you know, at the moment, we're like a downtrodden minority. And when you have like theologians saying, Yes, Islam is true and Quran is true, and they don't become Muslim themselves,

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psychologically can create this issue of the door swings both ways. So they will create kind of out of acceptance. I know this sounds like me being the bad guy now, but we have to be honest, no, it's funny that you say that because in the live stream, the Paul he asks him, so what is like I think he asked him what is stopping you from becoming Muslim? And then he gives his own like reasoning and that so it's like exactly what you're saying right now. Yeah. So it's fantastic. anything close to two eemaan we love even the Sahaba will make dua for the Byzantines against the Persians because they were closer to Tao heed right. And you know, they wanted them to in and personally do offer

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them so anything closer to Amman is always good for sure. However, we also have to understand that these have social psychological implications and people might think now the door swings both ways. So we have to be very careful on that issue as well. But nevertheless, what you said bro is good news. Yeah, thank you for allowing me to share it.

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Thank you so much. Also, on on that

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