Why Are Black Ethnic Minority Communities Being Blamed for Spreading the Virus

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We all know we are. Okay guys sound Polycom Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh Bismillah Alhamdulillah wa salatu salam, ala Sula. We're live on this Friday night special show on the voice of Islam platform also on my page YouTube chambers official page and also on Sheikh was seen Clemson's page and Riaz Khan. I think he will be sharing with his page pretty soon. And the topic of discussion tonight brothers and sisters in humanity and is Islam. Whoever you are, wherever you are in the world you're watching you're listening in is we're talking about the COVID 19. Lockdown. This is the COVID 19, lockdown special and particular myself and Riaz represent a city called Leicester. Anybody who

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hasn't heard of Leicester, they were the champions of England, or I think four years ago isn't our three and a half four years ago or something like that? Because live

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Yeah, once upon a time, once upon a time.

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Yeah. So I want to come to my guests Reus calm in Leicester and we're seeing khamsum in London. First of all we're seeing is London lockdown today.

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London is opening up. It's the quite opposite actually in London tomorrow and Fourth of July. It's a spending spree for many, many people tomorrow, I assume. Yeah, they'll be out there on the street hitting the parties, pubs opening.

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Everything's opening bars,

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pubs all the places that we as Muslims are happy to see close they're actually opening

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okay. Yeah, so tell us RIAs was Lester like as we speak we got down brother as you know. Yeah. Shops

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closed you know, just the same as it was before we've blocked time for tapping it's got reverted back to that now again. Yeah, just displays relaxing with going to the park enjoying ourselves shops are opening up. You know, people were, you know, people sort of relaxed a little bit because it's locked down with ease a little bit. Bank strip back to square one again.

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Yeah. So why do you think Leicester why they selected less to lock down? It baffles me to be honest, because a lot of the cities out there are doing exactly the same thing as Leicester was, and for some strange, known, unknown reason, some raison d'etre, which is going to find out later on maybe six months time, suddenly, the city that has the largest V A M E, or black, Asian ethnic minority community, possibly in less in Europe, right, suddenly gets locked down on the proviso that he's got more cases during this sort of second spike than any other city.

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Does that sound right to you? Is that Is that correct? RIAs. First of all? Oh, London first shoe the major city London not Leicester? Why Leicester will classic don't get it? This is got ruins got high population, all the commerce and all industries in London. I mean, the whole business of England less sorry, London is. So why do you remember the first one? I was telling myself? What is a

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small city like Leicester? Well, it's not a small book. It's more than the other cities. Well, I mean, Lester's got

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inside Lester's probably what is it? 100 150,000? The whole of Leicestershire. A whole of Leicester area is about 340,000 Isn't it? Very small population. Densely populated in certain areas. We've got high fields and we've got evington And we've got Oadby. And they're quite densely populated. Compared to other cities, right. If it's a London, London's got high density densely populated areas. It's quite suburbs as well. No different. So don't want to fit on this. I didn't get it. Well, I mean, there's we're seeing something

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per 100,000

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Yeah, I think apparently, that they do per 100,000 people how many cases there are.

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About four days ago they first mentioned that there there seem to be

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a spike in the Coronavirus and Coronavirus as per 100,000 people. I'm not sure which minister came on. But I think he mentioned the wrong area number one,

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and he was later on corrected

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And unless the show is not the same as Leicester, Leicester shows, of course, as you know, is the is the county, which is much, much bigger than the city of Leicester. And when you say the city of Leicester, then what are the boundaries of that? Because there are certain suburbs which, you know, are included in it? And, of course, I don't know, you can correct me on this. I don't live in Leicester. But there are some suburbs in Leicester, which, obviously, the biggest city itself is expanding all the time somewhat, and does include certain areas or not. So there was a big confusion as to the actual doodle the actual boundaries of where is this quote unquote, local lockdown? And

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what does that actually mean? All practical means that in practical terms, does that mean that there's people you're going to be stopped on the motorway you can't enter Leicestershire? Where you can enter Leicester? What does actually mean? There was a lot of confusion concerning that. And I still think that I mean, even the mayor, the mayor of Leicester, was receiving emails in the middle of a night in the middle of the night.

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He wasn't clear as to why or what was happening.

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I think with Leicester along with 30 I think 36 Other hotspots in the UK.

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There seems to be some form of spiking in terms of Coronavirus, but you know what? Who knows? I don't know. And

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that's only because they started doing CRO testing here, Lester. That's why it says a spike. If it is somewhere else, it would have been the same results. I recommend to be honest with you. So because I've tested quite a lot of people, Lester, it's always a spike. If they went to say Nottingham, I think they would have got same results.

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If that was me, I don't know why. Well, reading an article right now Leicester locked down boundary lines are branded stupid by residents because some of the streets are being cut in half. So if you live in a number 30 industry, well, you're not on lockdown. If you're a number 28 You're in lockdown. What sense does that make at all? Obviously this has been ill conceived. Ill thought of the stats questionable, because you've got seems like lots of issues, guys about how many tests have been carried out carried out I know for Leicester spinny. Hill Park, Victoria Park have got pretty much full time.

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The testing facilities? Oh, yeah. They've got testing facilities. The Army's up there in Victoria Park. I don't know who's doing it in the spinny. Hill Park. But it's in those areas where the BME communities have huge that the testing is going on as well. What does this tell us?

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I'm baffled. I don't know. Who

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can you learn as you

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understand it?

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actually looking at the boundary of the Leslie boundary, it actually looks like the map of Germany.

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In the map of Germany, it looks almost the same, the same shape as Germany.

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That's probably why

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it would be strange, or one resident in in bow Hill Grove, he said that one residents said people living in the lockdown area could easily walk over the line to the nearby pub. Yep. So you can literally so there's no policing of the boundary line. I could pretty much drive out on a road right now. Yeah, if I was irresponsible, and I could just float the boundary line is, is it no significance at all is locked down? If it's one city? If it's one, it has to be a country locked down, doesn't it? What sense does it make? And the other thing is, this week, guys, we've had run ins with the far right, trying to tell us that Muslims are responsible that Asians are the ones who

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are responsible, Asians and the black, Asian ethnic minority communities are to blame. Because in those areas, that's where we've seen the spike. There's lots of testing going on in those areas. Of course, there's lots of messages going out on social media, in the media, in general, saying that the ethnic minority community needs to be careful, because COVID seems to be hitting them more. So obviously, they've gone out there and said, We better get tested. I know you've had your your children tested three hours. I know that a lot of people, you know, in Leicester have had their children's tested, they've had their families tested and all negative. Thank God. Yeah. What's going

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on here that, that coupled with that we've seen, we've seen images being used of when it comes to negative headlines.

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thinks about COVID 19 images are being used of hijabi women.

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You know, even though those are actually, you know, maybe, you know, women working as doctors or nurses or something. They've linked a very negative media story to the Black ethnic minority community again, haven't.

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What is I mean, you know, although we're not Black ethnic, we are as I'm ethnic, the Irish, if you like, your English, this guy, he's probably I don't know if Irish actually.

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We both halfway, I should have done a DNA test. I'm 55%. Irish 55. Let's try that. Have you done a COVID? Test? COVID-19. Robert, I have no, I haven't No, no, no. COVID?

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So look, guys, guys, what what's going on here? Let's analyze what's going on. Look at the headlines. Look at the messaging going on from the media now. And that's why we're having countless conversations of people saying no, you know, we've got these white guys coming to us and saying, pointing the finger at us pointing the finger at the Muslims pointing the finger at the black community, again, the Asian community again, and saying the spikes happening in your areas. You're to blame if people I've my people die, or they get infected is because of you guys. They're very serious accusations on the Yeah. I mean, it's the same.

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If people are fed information from the Daily Log, then because that's the same, that's the same kind of I

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would call it headlines that was on those newspapers, that, you know, Pakistani, were the blame for 50% of Coronavirus, which was had zero context, absolute zero context. Yeah, and, and 100, there were some organizations who lobbied them to actually change

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the headlines into giving it to, you know, give it some context, it was only from one date to the next date. And

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that, you know, of course, broke the argument completely, but these individuals who read these newspapers will follow that narrative. It's unfortunate that people who the bottom line is they don't think for themselves very often. And they're led by, by these newspaper headlines, which are sensationalist to cause disruption between communities, which is really sad to be honest with you, because at times like this, where society not just at a local or even a national level, like a world kind of level, it's almost been reset, has been reset to zero, how we're going to restart. So after, you know, three or four months of fairly,

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Prime has been no and things are very calm. You can see those people who really just want to go back to the way it was before, they will stand out like a sore thumb. Okay, there's no resetting for these people. They just carried on from where they left off, you know, things like, you know, when there was 1000s 1000s of people who were gathering on the beaches of Bournemouth, okay, yeah, like it was the last day in their life. There was no such thing about are they going to be causing a spreading of the COVID-19 and things like that? No, no, not at all. In fact, there was what did the local authorities they called it, a major incident has, I mean, whatever that means. A major

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incident has occurred in Bournemouth and the pictures were there.

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They were seen the thing there when they have a picture of the poem of sunbathers. They're zoomed in on an Asian family and they use that to an Asian family look form of people are the residents go these people are sunbathing and warm for the show the Asian family not the 1000s of white families out there but this potent one Asian family out the 1000s that were there so that's what he's trying to devise by race and by you know, it's just it's so me i don't know I'm sorry I get really well it looks like I mean

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I'm sure there were some people who want it to be next to the sea which is of course it's nice to be next to the sea when

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you know it's a nice hot day but then there was a good percentage on a sun base will maybe upset with their own fair color which is really has its own irony

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I can't tell

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you God has gone go for it. Postal rants on you just carry on. Yeah, now I mean, detracting from the real thing we have to tackle which is BLM Black Lives Matter is noise to confound the movement, feeding into the division. We cannot

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fall for it. Thanks, brother UC for talking about this. That's as Mamiya D says thanks.

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Yeah, so I didn't get

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the mayor was very upset today he was given a shambles, a report to base the recommendations on from asthma near Salam Alikum from Abdullah Malik, nostril Islam, abs Shahid, Allah bless you brothers.

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Bev Bev says, but it's been shown that the mass protests globally have not caused a spike in COVID cases. Good point. Good point. Because there has been a fact who will mean, but why is it been masked? Why has it been a spike in Leicester because of poverty that boils down to poverty, you've got people, like I said earlier on, I've said this before, you've got his major corporations who are bullying these factories to get back into mass production again. And these companies can lose their lose their money, they are going to lose their contracts with these major organizations. And they put pressure on these companies, right? If you don't produce this many items per day or whatever,

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you can lose a contract. So they're calling their workers back into the factories where the US the cramped conditions, usually sweat. They are sweatshop one. They're sweatshops, pain and kittens, whatever it is five pounds an hour. These people are coming into work. Ill prepared no PPE and whatever. No disinfectants or whatever hand goes and beds are working in a small cramped conditions and obviously going to catch it. They're more likely to catch it and more likely to spread. But whose fault is it? I believe in media corporations?

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Well, Chanel has Chanel says lesser is now written down in the history books and the whole world is talking about us. People will always blame others like us to hide their own faults. Wow, they put the spotlight on Leicester. But actually maybe it's a good thing for Leicester first city to be locked down in the new spike. Wow. Champions, champions of England.

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Well, Leicester Yeah, but the point you're the point, you said earlier about the BLM thing to cause division and get that point so distracting from the real thing we have to tackle which is BM and why just tag on and get them why they say BLM tackle BLM is it's noise and movement feeding division. We kind of go for it. We'll use talking about this. But I can explain that because I don't get that. If you say that the BLM Of course. Well, I think it's up to us mamere To

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discuss that distracting from the traction, but the real thing we have to tackle, which is the Black Lives Matter issue and the fact that I think that the reference is that, you know, people are not dealing with, you know, the racist, terrible racist division, which has been created in our societies. And I think that is the real issue, guys. Is it not?

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Absolute that says, well, there are no autopsy to verify the cause of so called COVID. Where is the pathological reports? This is based on computer data models. Right? Okay.

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I don't know. I'm not sure I haven't got I wish we could get some experts in the field that know about this and how they, they you know, how they track the data, and how they actually analyze it and find out, you know, where the spike is coming from and so on so forth.

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So no autopsies, BB ma really says Omar Ali says salam aleikum watching from Canada I sha Allah. And then as some Amir was putting a link to a video that was on the Kama Sutra them they were going to be watching that puja and surely is watching. Right? So man, salaam alaikum. He's watching as well.

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Yeah, so guys, reality is there seems to be a little bit of confusion about how they have decided almost randomly, that Leicester is the first city and now we've told us 36 other cities, okay. Now many of them also appear to be, you know, Black ethnic minority, you know, strongholds as well. We talk about Bradford and so on and so forth. So, is there is there you know, consistent message here that basically the powers would be wanted to lay me on to the ethnic minority communities is there. What do you think? Possibly because looking at the poorer areas where families gather together is smaller houses, look as Asians we have extended families and we can't afford to move a lot of Asian

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people cannot afford to move out and move into a new home because it's so expensive now, sustain a little houses

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That's probably why the class where they're probably targeting the Black and Asian minorities, because we're not we're not well to do on it, to be honest with you. We are there's lot of poverty in our communities where poverty is increasing as well guys, the poverty is increasing. Of course, we've got large wholesale redundancies going on shutdown, I mean, just in our city, Debenhams is gone. And many, many of the big, big frontline stores have gone, we're told that there's going to be, you know, indefinite changes, these are the words that the government is using. But you know, several times they've used the term indefinitely changes infrastructural changes, they're mentioning

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things new, what on earth is going on guys? Does it mean that they're going to be locked down certain areas now is less than going to be located as an area that needs to be have special attentions? You know, the Black ethnic minority areas, the poor areas, so on and so forth? And why is it that, you know, the very people who are seemingly attacking the Black ethnic minority community are also poor people from White Council estates? I have to be honest, this is this. This is the demographic of people that we're always arguing with, isn't it? Rios?

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Yes, definitely. You know, I think the other BLM, the Black Lives Matter movement, it was growing and gaining momentum, people actually joining it. And those powers to be whoever is they saw this, in their profile, look, we've got just some advice, because they gain momentum, they actually covering momentum, as do some good, they don't want that they don't see the working classes get together, then obviously, the working classes join together rise up. So the cause division they do on purpose. So let's pick on an ethnic group and say, they're the causes, or let's pick on this group and say they're the better wants to blame. That's what's happening right in front of our eyes.

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I mean, I know a bit of a conspiracy nut job. The point is, I can see and I can see what's happening here. And I think, this lockdown thing, you're saying this indefinitely, I think they're going to do it for a very, very long, that long time, actually front of a year, and the poverty will increase because of it. Because people losing their jobs, like you said, people, all these people are Indian workers that go into factories, they get paid cash in hand, they get paid pittance, because they convert their money to rupees and they think, okay, 500 hours that foreigner 50 rupees an hour, that's not a week's wages to them. And they don't realize they have been in the poverty, they're

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just unbelievable. That's why they have so many people living in one house, because it can't afford to, you know, break out of that cycle.

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But along with, along with the lockdown areas, and the boundaries, and so on, so forth, we haven't seen that much information going out locally to find out exactly what a person can and cannot do. So, for example, if I drive the car, at least I'm not 100% sure whether I'm allowed to or not. I assume that I'm not. But where do I go? Am I allowed to go across the border? There's people that are living the same streets. And if they walk across the border, technically, they could be fined 100 pounds, right? When we ask what is happening to this society, why is there so little information giving? Where's the communication? You see, Bev says, Lester's an easy target. It's 100% racist,

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this policy less than needs to ask for evidence is based on autopsies, based on autopsies that, you know, because of course, the way they count it is that sort of deaths would be the autopsies. And that's the route but there's also the whole issue of how they say that somebody has got or has got COVID-19 has gotten the virus, right.

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But he also says China has a worse overcrowding, okay. It's a poor country, no health service, low COVID numbers, but a better diet, high number of deaths among BME lifestyle related. That's what she's trying to say.

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When we saw last time,

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what do you think shake was seen? Well, I to be honest, I mean, as you're mentioning these things, and if you go online, and you tried to find information about

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what's happening, it's just there's so much information for any, any one person to kind of gather any form on firm conclusions about anything. Even you know, they're talking about

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biologically that you know, people from who

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have from ethnic minorities are more likely to

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die from COVID 19 and things like that, that information they put out there. And then actually, when you look at it very carefully, this is not something that they they know the reason why, or even if it is actually the actual case or not. So is it report a piece of information out there, which you're not even sure whether it's fat

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And then you're told science. This is the information that we've got. What basic science. Sorry to cut you there. Just a very quick one. Very quick one. This is the this is Sky News. I'm just shared the screen with you. Great to have you back in Leicester and a picture of a woman with a hijab on as BBC as well, your niqab is? Yeah. Again, Leicester is being placed back on hold. And of course, straightaway, we find a picture of a sister there on the headlines. She is the one that bought COVID-19 back into Leicester guys. There we are. And that's just that that is commonplace in the media. This is commonplace. Look, what is his own dice? Book to got gloves on? Just covering essays.

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Yes, word

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is obviously complying with why don't get it why?

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Yeah, well, workers that spread this virus is a factual, additional lack of factory workers. You've actually worked in a sweatshop. No, I don't think so. She looks like a class. You know, sister. Yeah.

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For long term, actually, over the past three or four months is not an isolated feature. This is when they will quite often when you store COVID-19 Coronavirus, especially at the height of the kind of frenzy. That'd be a Muslim, you know, Muslim in the picture. Yeah. And the question is, what is the relevance of putting somebody

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more than once and constantly putting Muslims in the pictures when you have these kind of frightening kind of headlines? Yeah. And of course, this plays in I mean, my own family gave him a call the other day. First thing they said to me was, it's about Ramadan. I said, What about Ramadan? It said, No, the reason why, you know, there's another spike in Leicester is because you guys were out there supporting, you know, celebrate need. I said, we wish we were. We're on our houses, every single one of us now, but even

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less doesn't matter. Because it's a two week incubation period. It was a month ago, more than a month ago. So if it was going to spike, it should have spiked two or three weeks ago. Yeah, absolutely.

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Leave it there is a cricket match this video Park. Some of this for ages to say is Pakistan vs. Bangladesh Cricket match on Sunday, but it was a Jamaican guy doing it. Who was even it wasn't even near Pakistan versus Bangladesh. They just tried to point the finger at us all the time. Just Cornell for 20 people are the cause of the of the spike here. 20 people. Yeah.

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But, but but, but again, there's lockdown.

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But again, yet again, the Black Lives Matter. movement that happened in Leicester cropped out I think was the biggest demonstration I've seen for a long, long time. Now, there was no focus. Actually, there was no focus on the Black Lives Matter demonstrations. Was there as to say, you know, I can't remember if there wasn't or not. I certainly haven't seen it. There was some far right they were moving a little it was. Yeah, okay. Good. Well, not good. It's not good at all. But be me. Be a me citizens are the main key workers in London. Unfortunately, when you take the COVID-19 hope to go COVID-19 To home, you will transfer to the rest of your family. That's what Stefan Mirza is

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Danny Brown and Sam RIAs. Katie Hopkins got the Black Lives Matter on the level as the IRA ring any bells? Question mark, these people use

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history. You should know that use of Yeah, well, I'm there. I'm there at the bar. I'm so my father and his brothers were absolutely felt that a situation of being Irish, no, no dogs, no blacks, no Irish, the pubs used to regularly have signs outside. So we know we've all been through it ethnically Irish, ethnically Black, Asian. Now, of course, Muslim is the big focus now. We've all been through it. So why are we not learning lessons from that history? That's the big question, guys. Why are we not learning lessons and coming together? We've got one common sort of factor here. And that's the fat cats. That's the people who run the you know, the societies and don't really have

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a, you know, a care. One jot for the average person in the street, the workers, the working class people that people are struggling to pay their bills, that people are having to work, you know, 50 6070 hours just to pay their bills, that what about education now?

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areas, our children are knocked up in homes, whilst rich are able to pay for tutors, they're able some of the private schools have been open throughout the lockdown.

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The schools in the country

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will also reopen the site or the schools open the countryside, they will open. Why the schools in the inner cities not open is that they tried to

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try and use they're trying to hold us back in education, they're trying to dumb us down or try to hold our generation from going up and become you know, well to do to become better, better equipped in I don't know, I don't know just what I'm trying to use a current thing because I'm not been out for such a long time my social skills are going downhill. So we're trying to lose, I'm starting to lose my words in our vocabulary. Yeah.

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Like they're trying to keep us down. Because you know, it's all all not all kids at home learning. We're not learning then fit to be honest, we online learning Well, the other kids project control, Project Control.

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Social engineering isn't in a way. Keep it as you know, to? I don't know, so we don't go far in life. I don't know. What is it? Is it? Is it a big social experiment? I mean, this is something that if you look on Netflix, you'll see lots and lots of movies about social experiments. You know, we can mention a few of them, I'm sure. But we haven't got time for that. I mean, is this one big social experiment to see how far they can push us? I mean, yes, we, of course, we know that there is some form of a virus out there. This is not a conspiracy, a call to conspiracy, guys. You're not saying that we're just having a discussion here. And it's a free country to go and have that

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discussion? Isn't it Sheikh was saying? No, definitely. I mean,

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you don't want to get into the area of speaking about

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ifs and buts and conspiracy theories, because then you lose credibility.

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And it's important to remain as realist as real as you can. But you know, you if you judge things on the past people's behaviors in the past, how they do things in the past. And there are certain things which can be mentioned, which are not very far from reality. No doubt.

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You know, how the situation has been dealt with and it's being dealt with

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can always be improved. But is there something beyond that? Yeah, it's possible. It's possible maybe even go as far as saying it's possible, the reality of what's going on in terms of as this as an experiment or control, you know, that we don't want to take that kind of, personally, I don't take that line of thinking, because I don't have any proof for that. But what you can say is that history is something is good to go back to, and gives you a good indication as to

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at times like this, the kinds of things that go on.

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Okay, we've got a we've got a point here.

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It's all bringing society to the One World Order. Dell is saying, Bring society to one word order. You lose credibility, being ignorant that says

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education teaches compliance not to think not pink. Education. There's a we've got to what education that's the question in whose education Yeah, NHS figures. You're sorry. And there's ongoing raises. Another Brick in the Wall? Yeah, no brick in the wall. Pink Floyd, remember that? Yeah. Rehearse is a shout out from London from Stefan.

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Another comment, I think that it's an issue in England, in New Zealand, where the schools are closed, because he's going out to New Zealand as well, guys. We have a learning willing programs for kids on the TV. Also, we have school teachers organizing programs for kids, despite them being at home, teachers run zoom classes with the school kids in my school for my one young son, and I've got Subhanallah he hasn't yet access his password and it's taken weeks for him to even get online. Once he got online. He couldn't use the system. It was ineffective, inefficient. And frankly speaking, it's been a disaster from from square one. I almost decided myself to forego state schools from now

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on because of this. Is that something that other people have felt? Possibly because I feel like he's not learning anything at home. And I can't monitor because I'm doing teaching online as it is. Stephen made a good point here. Unfortunately, the closure of schools in London and other Bab cities will put this generation even further back compared to learn as attended private grammar schools. We're going to postpone it forever. But as we said, if you read that comment

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That's That's a very good point. You made the very, very good point.

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Yeah, that's good. Good points further back compared to the others that are in private schools or grammar schools

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and then you can't even get a decent zoom call.

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So joking, you're gone.

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I know many parents who have now decided to start homeschooling their children.

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They've taken outside schools and now start to homeschool them. So lockdown lockdown, but you know, in for infrastructural changes, maybe this is something that schools will be forgotten, forgotten, there'll be they'll be closed, maybe, you know,

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what do you think, guys? This could be the future.

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You know that the online teacher of the future? We don't know that. It's an interesting debate or discussion. We were having a debate, we're having a discussion about what is going on, because there's not much information giving is there brothers and sisters. And when there's no information, there's confusion. And when there's confusion, people start running in different directions and doing things which they shouldn't do. Ordinarily, of course, that's what we're discussing tonight, discussion, the whole issue of the COVID lockdown in Leicester, and in many other places, there's locks down, they're locked down. But specifically, there's not much information giving guys is that

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this is leading to massive confusion. What do you think? Yeah.

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I mean, some of these factory owners were confused whether to over there were

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what's the word they use when the

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brain has gone dead? So whether you were there said that essential wasn't

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essential, the shop.

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The shops are closed and the shops are not open. What's what's the word, but the difference between the two? I forgot the word now. Anyway, they open it. Open and close. Yeah.

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was raised essential or non essential, essentially, not what they used, right? And the factory owners didn't know. They're essential, but they're allowed to stay open. Because if there were, there's no there's no word for it. Oh, God was the words go out my brain now. You know, the shops are open. Yeah.

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Of course.

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Anyway, the factories for essential whether they're essential or not, but they're still not to keep stay open. What's that word? call you? So what's the word?

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non essential? I think it is. There's a word called non essential No, no, it's another word they used. You know what these are closed now. Why?

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Why the shops closed because they present a risk of people, the public good to going in and contracting the virus.

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There's a word for the close, because it's not deemed as not essential as another word for it. flippin heck is going on my head now. Anyway, these words to this point, that high risk, high risk, high risk. Get it? Forget it. Okay, just off tangent. You know, basically, these patchwork of practice owners, we're not sure whether they're factors are allowed to, you know, stay or not, because he didn't know if there were,

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whatever the word is, I've got the word that I know, I know, essential or non essential. I mean, that's, that's, that's all it is. Don't worry about it. Let's just move on to the next. So what's the point? You

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got? Messages web site open or not? So they start over after four weeks, they reopened after four weeks? Yeah. Yeah. You know, is there some mixed messages out there? You know, that's what that's what I'm trying to say. Because you said about mixed message. People are confused at the moment. That's what a massive confusion there. That's when they start coming back into it. Because they weren't sure. Yeah. And we didn't know because there was no that it wasn't all proper communication lines. There hasn't been proper communication lines, because the government talks to the local authorities. And before that happens, we have a whole plethora of reports in the media, which reach

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us first. And then of course, the lines of communication are blurred. And then people go out and do things which perhaps they shouldn't in this pandemic era this COVID-19 era, guys, so what who is to blame here? Who's to blame for this mess?

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We're gonna house government. I blame the government for it.

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Who else can you blame? Who and the government

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mixed messages computer people? For example, Bournemouth, okay, 1000s of people flocked to bomb because lockdown was relaxed, because we'll get mixed messages. He's gonna go with me. So I bet the government I don't want to, you know be to go

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bashing buffets conference call?

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Yeah, well apparently

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why NWA from landfills he says essential message is getting your message across not worried about the word RIAs confusion could be an international movement in order for the government to avoid being held negligent, a only shift on the individual, which then becomes a subjective exercise. And then Ivan humble says, Keep calling out the hate. Rios can't less than these two Be together, not divided.

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The world.

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Good, how? And then another message from Justin. Actor. He says, How can you respect the BLM Movement when they go around disregarding social distancing laws causing criminal damage and attacking police? I've never seen any of them join Islam after watching an ISIS attack. He says it does the opposite causes division, black culture needs to fix up us Muslims need to fix up then people will come on board and join your cause and become your friends. What do you think of that statement?

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Can I just mention a couple of things that yeah, I want to mention a few things there, which, you know,

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the Black Lives movements is very defined at the moment in what it's talking about, okay. And to kind of brush them all with one and all of them are not disregarding social distancing, and causing criminal damage. And attacking police is quite frankly, it's unfair to say that okay, number one, and black culture needs to fix up. Excuse me, What's black culture? What's white cauldron?

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is made up of many, many countries, Africans are made up of many different backgrounds, if you go to the West Indies all have their own unique types of backgrounds, just to put them all in one bucket and say, black culture needs to fix up I'm sorry, you can't you know, such

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statements. Joseph shows.

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I don't want to say certainly not it's because I'm not saying you're racist. I'm not saying once. It's an ignorant statement. It's an ignorant statement. It's not saying that blacks are this and black culture, excuse me, just because what does that even mean? Okay. Yeah. How would you even break that down? If you say white culture, okay, what's white culture, all around Europe have different types of cultures. If you go to the Americas, they have all different types of culture. So such statements really don't are not.

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Okay, it's justifying it clearing them by saying Western black culture. Okay, that's fine to kind of narrow it. And if you want to narrow it further, and there's justified statistics and research concerning that, then okay, you call it a wrong as a wrong as a Muslim, whoever we are. If it's wrong, it's wrong. It's right. It's right. You know, and this is, you know, Islam, Cain. And this is a bit much mentioned much of this, but Islam came when the Prophet of Islam came to remove, looking at people through the, you know, the vices of color. Okay, as a Muslim, We don't judge people, by their color in any way, shape, or form. Okay? It's only through the demographics and social kind of

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pressures and so many factors that people are judged and boxed according to their color. And as Muslims, we don't have those standards. We have completely different standards, when we're looking at Black Lives movement, okay, whether you agree with it, whether you don't agree with it, if you're talking about oppression that's done to black people, I support that I support that you need to stop oppression against black people. So at the same time, people want to pile on all lives matter. white lives matter. Okay, don't feel left out. Because of course all lives matter and all white lives matter and yellow lives matter. But this is something that's being brought to the front for you just

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to concentrate on a few to to have some awareness and about it doesn't mean disregard everything else. You shouldn't feel left out. Okay. This is what is a small run on a some and some important information. One of the mentioned concerning that

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was it's okay.

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That person's comment was not not cool for to be honest with you. Anyway. Scheid again Mirza shout says unfortunately, the Conservative government loves to give the soundbites to the media and the advice they give is very wishy washy and not step by step. Moreover, the people that have to conform to these rules do not have experienced working in those sectors. This is why the education retail travel sectors are so confusing. This is why the our rates and deaths are increasing compared to other countries. Normally, as we say so also sorry the government do not have experienced these in the sections. Oh, my battery's gone dead. They could be the rest of the question.

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So maybe you can read out yourself because I'm my baptismal. Yeah.

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And by

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Other says, Today I lost a friend after a period of ECML machine and due to COVID 19 Please make dua Allah subhanaw taala

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Bronson in the rank of A Shaheed he was a Harvard alum and Mufti with a 13 year old daughter and a two year old son please this disease knows no identity stay at home and use the time to get close to Allah subhanaw taala degree Cherie bada nice comment there from from unfilled. Why NWA okay unfilled. Obviously Liverpool, is it? Yep. Yep. Rios is probably mates Michelle and this one I would tell them make it easy for the brother increases Rankin and making sheet and allow him to be in for dozle Allah the top part of paradise for those who are not Muslims listening. That is a prayer that we make current when we hear that somebody has passed away like that.

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Yes, there is a disease. It is having an impact.

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Definitely we don't we're not questioning that. Are we guys?

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There's somebody there that we don't know.

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Definitely a virus that definitely somebody go.

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Yeah. Okay, guys. But then we've got this case over here. Lester locked down revolt on racecourse after COVID Spike is City Premier League match gets green light and the green light meaning the race course was populated with lots of riders the other day. Apparently, they were faced with a lot of angry comments from residents. Just down the road from from where I am now in OB the racecourse last Tuesday, was populated with lots and lots of horses and horse goers, and so on so forth. Probably I think around 700 people attended that event in the middle of the lockdown. Is that something that we should be talking about?

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Was it's not been mentioned much as it well, no, hasn't been mentioned at all, especially by those that claim that it's, it's a black ethnic minority issue.

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Comments, anyone?

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Well, obviously, I mean, they're

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so cool.

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with regards to sporting events,

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because they were talking about less the matches weren't doing football, football matches, whether they're gonna continue or not. But I think that the football kind of

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fraternities, and it almost lives in within a bubble.

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The players and their families and whatnot, they live there and very much, they're much kind of sectioned off from society. So

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that's not necessarily

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think to be you know, if they can play football, then, you know, why is that we,

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because they will just want to continue this kind of money machine, the football machine that continues, that has its own kind of setup, as far as I know. As for the horse racing thing, then I don't know, I heard something about I don't know the details of it.

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this, and they can afford to have the medical and they can afford to have the right facilities to look after their health. Whereas we, as more people call it luxury karma?

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No, that's true. Yeah.

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I think, you know, somebody, a good friend of mine, he said that, between more than 200 research papers being written every single week, medical journals, more than 200 a week are being written about the COVID-19. Theories, researchers information. I mean, if you think about these, these journals and papers that are being written by experts in their field, and they're all saying different things.

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And look, if the experts if the experts are, you're not giving us kind of solid information, how does that then kind of kind of filter filter its way down to the general public? Who are not

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specialists in the area of medicine and disease and, and things like that, then, if the professionals are kind of

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not sure what to do, and then what does how does that leave the layman? You know, the general man on the street is even, you know, greater confusion.

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That's no thing you mentioned about confusion as an ESL teacher, English teacher, a lot of people that got this the who test positive or form, whatever country recently arrived here, and their language is very, very weak. The language is very weak. So when you hear words that social distancing, you know, isolation these are difficult words to explain to, you know, newcomers, they don't understand language. So

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Maybe they don't understand what two meters social distance means, and things like that, how they can catch the virus. And you're, you know, you mentioned about the so much confusion that was different, you know, there's different theories out there, the same measure personal understanding,

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it's easy for him to cast a virus that understand what's going on themselves.

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Yeah, I mean, if you go to, if you have an if they have time, to go to the world horse world, who the world horse Health Organization website,

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and you go to the, you know, the COVID kind of information. I mean, it's, there's so much information that

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talks about masks, it talks about Mythbusters, you know, to get rid of false information, travel advice, so much information. And I remember reading not so long ago about some of their theories of, of how this actually spreads.

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And that they said, there isn't any defining proof that we're in the incubation period, the quote, unquote, incubation period, when not sure, actually, a person can catch it by ear that the person can actually only catch it when the person becomes actually sick, which is contrary to what they were originally saying. They're originally saying that in the incubation period is what caused the big problem, because nobody knew who had it, and you'd be mixing with other people, you could catch it. Like this, thus subsequently changed, saying that, it's highly unlikely that while the person is not suffering from it, that you or another person won't catch it.

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So this kind of information is kind of changing on a moment on a monthly basis on a weekly basis. And I understand, especially with things like this, that

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no one's going to have all the answers straightaway.

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as there is a responsibility upon those who are in government and have rule over people to have their subjects, their interests in the very best way, similarly, the general population should have,

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you know, use common sense, they should also have, you know, a fair and good approach in dealing with the

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situation and, and especially with, you know, situations and pandemics like this, where involves everybody moving in the right direction, it's almost you're as strong as your, your weakest link. You know, if you've got 10 people, and nine people are behaving themselves, and you've got one of them or isn't, and that one person can harm everybody else. So you kind of have a strong as your weakest link. And in situations like this, you know, this, this kind of that example can be used. So, okay.

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Why this is happening? I think we just need to Yeah, so So you're calling for a balanced? More of a balanced out? Yeah, that's right. That's not my headline here. The spike, great to have you back in Leicester, with a city with a with a Muslim woman

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covering a face in her hands they're

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alluding to and this image was used in the sun was used by Sky News. It was used by several newspapers, went out there and put this out there and sort of unfortunate the blame to Muslim community maybe Is that what's been said over here? It's a bit weird that it doesn't spread when they crapped the beaches and not adhering to social distancing rules. When it comes to massage Masjid. Suddenly, the COVID-19 spreads far and wide. Somebody says here around 8 million, or is it 8 billion or 8 million people will be going to the pubs as they read tomorrow, this will happen on tomorrow on Saturday. Love protects us from these

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confusing times confusing people confusing times. I mean,

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so guys, where does it end? What are the solutions for us? Let's now go back to find out what what are the solutions? And, you know, how can we try to help our brothers and sisters in humanity and Black ethnic minority company community come together and start to work closely together to share information together? How can we make this happen? Realize first

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for the number of viewers via social media is way for us because with so much fake information out there.

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Just Just be careful guys and just searched this for now. Just be cautious. I really don't know. The tough question.

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What do you think Chef?

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I mean

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Unlike in any matter, it's always important for us to not be swept away with the information that's constantly changing, you know, day and night, and you don't know whether you're coming or going.

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I think it's always good to go back to

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the firewall, but are those things which, you know, the same for you every day. And that is, you know, as a Muslim, your responsibilities as a Muslim always remain, they will always be the responsibility to our last pantile. That remains the keep up with that, because there's so many other issues that, you know, maybe we can speak about in the future, about mental health, in the Muslim community that we tried to hide it, we don't want to talk about it. And especially at times like this, where people have been trapped in their hubs for three or four months, not having much answers and how to get through this, you know, you know,

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going back to your religion, and your faith is something which can give a person a lot of a lot of help a lot of solace. And turning back to Allah Subhana Allah can

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allow them to get through the situation. So these are things which I'm talking about which are fixed, that you should have in your life in terms of routine and as for you know, genuine information, general advice and guidance that's given to you. Yeah, just just adhere to that. Just do your part. And I think everybody does their part then.

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Inshallah, tada, you know, you will get the situation and

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we'll face what then what's going to be a new normal, no, it's not going to go back to the way it was. It's gonna be a new normal wherever that new normal is, and why can't we be part of a forming that and having an influence on that new normal?

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raises, mentioning that it's going to be solid time soon, it's going to be Maghrib time not quite yet. I believe, RIAs we've, we've got a bit of time left. London

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was 10 minutes. over a couple of minutes. There's a couple of minutes in London, it's almost 10 minutes in London. So we're going to end this just final closing remarks from Rails. And then we sent the Shake. Shake we're seeing I'm losing it tonight, myself. I've been I've been locked down for too long. Yep, final poses.

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Positivity ended all.

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Look, stick together, don't be divided by the media keep positive, you raise the hate. There's so much hate out there.

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Don't fall for the hate. We just as the working class men that were women that we are, we need to stick together. You know, means tell this to other people say just stick together, just people by their actions. And if you're an idiot, you're an idiot. Don't just because of the color of the skin or whatever reason you're, you're just let's stick together. Let's get through this together. And then we could sort out differences afterwards once you got through the stage.

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Okay, okay. And shake was seen.

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So yeah, just following from, you know, reference points and what I mentioned, just behind, you know, just before that,

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you know, a lot of us have, maybe not so much now, because we're coming out of it. But education is the best tool, one of the best tools to read the many diseases in our communities. And educating yourself

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is something that not only you're going to rid yourself of ignorance, but it enlightens you to so many things.

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Which, you know, what will help you in life will make you a better person. You know, and this is a very important principle in Islam, that education, you know, seek knowledge is an obligation upon us all.

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So, educate yourself about all these matters in any kind of general general state

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of including communities that are whole, it's not right to talk like this, we need to address people as individuals as as, as individual communities and to you know,

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move forward this way inshallah Tada, alumnus West

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had a couple of comments from Salewa as this Salawat the results if people are buying dumbbells and weights working out at home a new lifestyle, as soon as the weights get into the store, they are gone.

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Okay, and then she also says, of course, we can blame governments, China, etc. But in reality, we're here to be aware of your environment and to obey Allah. Good point to end it on brothers and sisters. We've also got some

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message from Ahmed kassu, saying the government announced yesterday on the second that they were that when an individual having a test they were classing it as a test, but in reality, it was just one test and apparently the figures for testing have

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30,000 lower than they actually are because of the way they collect the data. And that is actually from the COVID-19. website. On last note, I don't know if everybody has noticed. But there is a certain

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COVID app which has appeared on the back end of my phone, and it just worries me slightly. I think we need to talk about that in another episode. One earth is that COVID app suddenly appeared without my permission on the back of my phone, brothers and sisters. Is this another COVID way of collecting data? Oops, sorry. Sorry about the pun.

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It's been great having you guys listening in. And Riaz Great to have you shake was seen. Great to have you. You're probably going to be joining us tomorrow for a little bit of a chat. Maybe. Yes, I think you are on. We're going to be doing this

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is it's Friday night tonight. So Saturday night, we're going to be joining you talking about some new Muslim issues, aren't we on this very tomorrow night. So brothers and sisters, thank you very much for listening in. Thank you for our guests. May Allah subhanaw taala allow us to see the purpose of life created, as we were by Allah subhanaw taala, to recognize him to worship Him and to obey him not to get too carried away with what we see around us not to take everything too seriously. Saving human lives, of course, helping people giving charity, giving information, giving mega educating, helping our children to understand the purpose like our wives, our children, our

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neighbors, so on and so forth. So that's the reality. So without further ado, we're gonna leave you and love you as Salaam Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh