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Bismillah Alhamdulillah Salaam Alaikum peace vnt Welcome to another episode of the deen show where we try to bring you a new show every week trying to help you understand Islam and Muslims. And we've been talking about with our next guest, Chef use of esters, who is a former Christian preacher, whose father was also a minister, his whole family accepted Islam. And he is trying to help us and help you guys understand Islam. He goes around the world, giving wonderful talks and speeches. And we've been talking about the prophets, what they live, what they call people to, and we talked about Adam, we talked about idrees, we talked about Noah and we left off at Abraham. Now you can see our
prior shows at the deen show calm under shake use of essences special section, just click on there. And if you didn't catch the previous shows, you can go there so you get to where we are, and what we're talking about today. So when we come back, we're going to continue talking about the profits, their lives, what they called the people to when we come back here on the deen show
is His Messenger.
Jesus was his messenger.
Why did that maybe, maybe it's just to break the ice as salaam alaikum alaikum. Salaam we're open to learning but I got to thank you for being with us again. It's nice to be back on.
You know, when I come up the elevator today I was thinking that if this place gets any taller is going to be close to the paradise itself. Get a shortcut here.
Sure, you don't get nosebleeds up decide do you know? I just wondered I didn't know. Thank you. It's always a pleasure to have you here with us on the deen show. We've done many shows with you and people can go to the special section that you have on the deen show comm where they can see all the other prior shows. And especially these shows that we're doing the series about the prophets we talked about Adam, we talked about Noah and Abraham and we talked about the way of life that they were on that they all call the people to not worship, worship what's in the creation but worship the one who created the Christian God Almighty, alone. Let's continue off. Continue on where we left off
and that was talking about Abraham.
When we were talking about the prophets, what we're talking about is, as you said, what what they called people to do as far as the way they ran their lives. Yes. How do you how do you run your life because this word in Arabic is Dean. That's your show is called the deen show the weight of your life. And everybody has a dean whether or not they're a believer, because it doesn't mean religion as some people mistakenly translated. It means your way. And there are many people that have no religion. They have no belief but they still have their way that they go about doing things. This is their Deen. So the deen show here that you're using people need to understand that you're talking
about the Dean of the prophets, the way of the lives of the prophets, in particular Prophet Mohammed being the last and the final messenger peace be upon him.
The succession that they come in really isn't as important I think as knowing how each one of them dealt with the type of problems they were faced with. If we moved forward just a little bit on the subject of Abraham I don't want to get too far away that he has a relative by the name of loot, which we pronounce a lot with one oh becomes if you put two O's that would have been loot. Yeah, they bought one Oh, and now today we pronounce it a lot. But the prophet loot, Ellison and peace be upon him. And by the way, we didn't mention this before. But after every time we say the name of any prophet we're supposed to say, peace be punny,
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what's the llama? Something that would indicate that we're given this distinction to them? Yes. And aleut as a prophet was one who didn't have scripture that we said Abraham did. So if you want to use that term we used in the first program we said, super special human, that would be Abraham would be super special because not only was a prophet, but he had scripture and the case
Have loot. He didn't have scripture but he was a prophet because he called to this right belief by divine inspiration. Now at his time, the problem that he ran into was that his people were disobeyed in him. And they were engaged in some things that were outside of legal marriage, not right to do. And they weren't married, but they were having these things that they did, and then have to say that. And so these people are called the common loot, the people of loot, they were bad, they were disobedient. And when he called them to the right way, they wouldn't listen. And without exception, they were all really bad people and these things that they did, they lived in a place which we call
Sodom and Gomorrah. And this is a famous place. And today, it is said that the Dead Sea is sitting on top of the very city of loot. And if you dive down there, you would find it. There's so much salt there, though it's a, it's more than even the Salt Lake of your Salt Lake City is that everything is very buoyant. And there are people who've done some diving there and tried to do some excavation to try to get more information about what's really there.
For us, it's enough just to know that there were people who were disobedient, we don't need to know for sure what they really right there that did water really overtake them. How are they destroyed?
What's important know is that they were destroyed because of their disobedience and not just destroyed in this life. But they'll be in a horrible way in the next life as well. What we learned in the first program, and every program we've talked about is that a human being is a sinner. Without exception, even our profits, they made some sins not major sins, though. Never would we attribute a major sin to them. But they made mistakes, human mistakes wrongdoings. We mentioned that about Jonah, you remember? Yes. And Jonah in the whale said that all the glory is to a law and he extolled the greatness of a law. And then he said the wrongdoing? Well, I'm in my condition now is
because of what I did to myself. I'm the wrongdoer. So we find the prophets, even Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him said, I say it's tough for Allah, Allah forgive me more than 100 times a day. So we see that all of us are sinners, but there is a way to be forgiven. That doesn't require some unbelievable gymnastics of thinking, you know, mental stretch of the imagination that you can't comprehend. Or nor does it require for us to do something that is bloodletting or anything like that. But it's a matter of being really sincere in your repentance, and saying that I'm the wrong door, and I need to be forgiven for tell us how do we equate, because we take this information from
authentic sources, we don't make things up according to our desires. We hope not to that people still give their interpretation of things, you will never get away from people, even if you said, I only want you to quote the Koran. And if I quote the Quran, you can say we'll see, he didn't give us anything of his own opinion, that would be a lie. Because unless I quoted the Quran, from the very first word that the end, in this case, you could say, well, he just quoted the Quran. But by choosing verses to recite, and then choosing what order to recite them in and how I put emphasis on what I'm reciting, I could still give my emotion to that. And maybe you perceive that one way or the
other. Tell us from what we see, mentioned about the profits loop, for instance, okay, in the Bible, and some of the other prophets. Now when you compare what's being taught to us in Islam, what do you take from that? And what do you leave alone?
Well, one of the things about Luke, for instance, is that when the angels came to him,
we have the same story in Islam, that the angels came to him. And they were very beautiful and handsome looking man, as they took this kind of form. Then the people of loot wanted to come and do bad things with them. Yeah. And he refused to let them do that. Now this would be the same but then, when loot leaves, he goes out a certain distance. And as he's going out, the Bible says his wife turned and looked back and became a pillar of salt. But in reading the Hebrew on that I found that there's different interpretations of what that expression might have been or even what the word might have been right? It could be different manuscripts. In Islam, we know that it wasn't that she
turned back and became salt rather, she did not go with him.
And she became a those disbelievers and she was destroyed by the fire that
They engulf dollar them.
The reason I asked is because you mentioned that the prophets peace be upon all of them. They didn't commit major sins. But somebody might come from a Christian background. And he finds in the Bible that some major sins are attributed to the prophets. Is this acceptable?
We look in the Quran, and we find that Moses, Moses at peace be upon him.
killed the man. Yeah, this is in the Koran. That's a major sin. Yes. And that same sin is mentioned in the Bible as well. So that's, that's a big sin. But we're going to say that that is not my intent, because he wasn't trying to kill him. He was trying to hit him. Yeah. The fact that the man died makes it a murder. But it was never an intent to kill. There was an accident.
You can't say it's an accident. An accident is like you turn around and just accidentally whacked somebody you know, or you're backing up your car and drive over somebody, that'd be an accident. Yeah, but when you're hitting somebody, that is not an accident. The fact they've died isn't what you want it so that it's a serious sin. But we're still not gonna say it's the kind of sin that somebody set out to do. Yeah, this is what will make something a major sin real quick, that you're doing it blatantly wanted to do this thing, and you did it anyway. We mentioned about the devil, and how he will refuse to bow down in front of God, because of the creation of Adam. He refused. He
said, I'm better than him. I won't bow down to this guy made from a smokeless fire. And Adam is made from this disgusting, clay or fluid, whatever.
So that sin from him even though all he did, he just didn't bow down and eating fruit for Adam, what kind of sin is that? It would have been a major sin, it would have been a horrible, unforgivable sin if he had not turned to a line repentance. So this is what it's about. It's about recognizing the difference between making a sin and not repenting, even if something very small, like eating something you shouldn't have been, or something small, like just not bowing down when you should have bowed down. But that would not be a big thing. Of course, it said, Oh, I didn't better I better bow down. But it was the attitude behind it. Yes, this is one of the things that makes it a real
major sin or even an unforgivable sin is the attitude with which it was done. So you gave that example that there was not an intent to kill a person. But some of the other things that you might find, okay, let us look to
Abraham peace be upon him. And he did an example while he was traveling. When he went through Egypt. His wife was with him. And he was told that there was a ruler at that time, or any time he wanted a woman, a beautiful woman that he would take her and she's married, just killed her husband.
So when some people came, they work for the king. And I guess they were on the lookout for cool chicks. Yeah, I don't know.
He said to her, tell them I'm your brother.
Well, that's a sin. Yeah. And you could say, well, as we say, in Islam, it wasn't actually a faltered because they were brother and sister in Islam, in faith, they believe the same God and so on. So in Brendan's sister in faith, and brother and sister and sister coming from Adam, we're all brothers and sisters. from Adam, we could you could say that you're my brother in humanity. There's no doubt about it, because we all came from the same human being.
But that's rationalization. Now.
You're not admitting it, but you lied. Yeah. So he lied, and said that he also broke those people's statues. We mentioned that in another discussion. So these are things that would be considered sins. But at the same time, he did repent for those things, and he felt bad about. Now, if you go and you look at the sin, were the things that would be attributed to the profits were say loot was, I see what you're saying. Okay. In the case of the story of loot, the whole thing was that these people were doing some illegal intercourse. This is what they were doing. Yeah. So after he's
escaped from all of that, then according to the Bible story that they have, that Luke is doing something is equal or worse, by doing something with his own daughters. And this is just totally bizarre and totally unacceptable to us as Muslims. We would say that this would disqualify him then from being a prophet, because something that is done in the context of, you know, intercourse, yeah, this is not
The same even as stealing something, because there can be no doubt that what's being done here this is
every human knows better. Yes, every human knows this not done is not proper. And to engage in that would disqualify. So this would be unprofitable, like, very definitely. So disqualify you as being a prophet? So that's in his case. Now, sometimes we don't accept this. Absolutely, absolutely not. Okay, so we talked about a
lot now, is there anything else that we want to mention about him before we go on to the next Prophet, the profit loop, we don't have a whole lot on him, as we might have. For instance, Abraham has mentioned so many times in the Quran, as is Moses Moosa as he's called an Arabic, peace be upon both of them, you'll find that the importance isn't the person, but it is how they handled the circumstances that they found themselves in whatever happens to them, then what did they do about it? Or they give a message out, and then this is the rebuttal that came back, and how did they deal with it. And this is what really helps make them stand out from the others. So he his consistent, or
his message is consistent with the First Men that we talked about, again, surrender, submission, sincerity, obedience, and peace to the Creator. And he was calling to the same thing. So we have a consistent chain of them delivering the same message, the same way of life, the same Dean, calling people to worship the one God, not his creation, who is the next message that we want to talk about. Now? Again, I don't think it's important to go in chronological order to say the one who was born next, as some people might think that that is relevant, and it may be for them. But I think it's important to look at the subject matter that we're dealing with, and we were talking about being
disobedient, or some very major sins here. Now, in the case, of one who has done some really big mistakes, what did they do about it, we could then go to the Prophet, Jonah, we should talk about him. And he made a big mistake, he left his post, he was supposed to stay in Nineveh and give a message to the people calling them to the belief in one God, believing in one God and being moral. And live off this statue worshipping Him, but be moral good people do fair in business with each other. For instance, some of the profits were sent to people who didn't deal fair in business and they were told this is wrong. You have to do fair, then, what did these profits do themselves?
Because if he called to a specific thing, he could not violate that. Even if he repented, it would be no good. He wouldn't be the example for that. So for sure, we know that the prophets who called to for instance,
not dealing in bad business transactions, they themselves could not have been guilty of that. The one who's calling people to the correct moral intercourse or sexual practices, they could not be guilty of having committed that very same sin.
My sense, yes. So we're almost out of time. Not going in any chronological order, who would be the next prophet that before we get we might like to speak about? Well, you could look to, for instance, Moses, and we could give a whole program just for Moses. But one of the things about Moses was that, you know, he killed the person, this reknown just discussed that, and his killing somebody. And he left and ran off to another place. This is also mentioned in Bible and Koran. And for him to have killed somebody, and then run away.
It might give people the idea that he was running away from the sin of killing somebody. But immediately he was repentant of what he did. The reason he ran away is because he knew they would kill him.
And it wasn't time for him to die. So he left. But when he did come back, he had to still face up to the fact that he had killed somebody. Yes. And they did not execute him. But it certainly went bad for him when he started calling them to worship one God, how do you call us to worship a God and You're a murderer. So this is, I think, a good comparison here to look at.
What can you tell us about Moses, his life that
would resemble some of the other prophets, some of their teachings, and the way of life now that he called the people to
all of them called did worship one god belief that God is one do what God wants you to do on his terms, no doubt.
At the same time, not all of them came with
Scripture the way he did, he was on turi scene or Mount Sinai where he received direct revelation from Almighty God, which he committed, writing it down and brought down to his people, when he found them worshiping the golden calf. He lost his cool. And he broke these tablets, he was really upset, because these people were in direct opposition to the message he was coming. And they had fallen back on the false worship of the gods that the Egyptians had been worshipping.
So was he
a person who was following?
Because the Jews, the Jews, the children of Israel, yeah, they will consider him their prophet. So was he preaching Judaism, or Christianity? He was preaching the message that he got on Mount Sinai, that's what he was preaching was that again that surrender submission, and obedience, sincerity and peace, which is summed up but it had commandments with it. Yeah, yeah. Now, if you want to go in chronological order, though, after Abraham, you would go immediately to his site. He had a son by the name of Ishmael, or is my eel, Ishmael, and he was a prophet after Abraham. And then he had another son is Huck or Isaac in English. Again, another prophet. There were both prophets. And the
problems between their mothers is another subject, but one lived with his father, which was Isaac. The other one was left in desert with his mother, at a place called Baca. And Becca is mentioned in Genesis sounds like Mecca. Well, back is also the name used in the Quran to describe the old name of Mecca, and became known as Mecca later, that's where we make the pilgrimage. Right, exactly. That is the place actually, there's a lot about that we didn't even talk about the what happened with his son when he received the dream. And this was a prophetic dream that he was to sacrifice his son. Now he waited almost what, 90 years something like that for years, he had a child, this is an amazing
thing. Now he has a child, and is being told by law in a dream to sacrifice his son. When he tried to do it, the knife wouldn't cut his son, who wouldn't wouldn't, you know, sever his neck or anything. So allow us testing him. And then I ram what came up a male sheep, and they slaughtered that instead.
So we can see this consistent way of life that all the messengers are living, they're striving to be humbly obedient to the commands of their Creator. Sometimes it's easier for some people than it is others. Yeah, but that's exactly true. Yeah, well, we're almost coming to a close, if you can, before we go on. And we have a few more messengers that we want to cover, we want to talk about possibly Jesus, and the last and final message of Prophet Muhammad in some upcoming shows. But if there's any closing comments, and advice that you want to give one of the prophets that came after Abraham, there was Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, from Isaac, or s Hawk, comes one whose name is Yaqoob.
We call him Jacob, Jacob became Israel, and Israel is the progenitor of all of the 12 tribes, and from them came all the rest of the people, one of the sons of Israel, or Jacob is named yahood, our Judah, and it's for him that many people say it comes the name, Judaism, because he's the oldest son of Israel, this was a prophet.
Some say he was what was his name? Judah, Judah. Some say it was a prophet, although according to Islam, it doesn't appear to be. This is for anybody. Why? Because Joseph, or use of that I'm named after is definitely a prophet. Definitely, without a doubt. We didn't talk about him. Where does he fit in this? coming after he has an amazing story that goes along with him. You can read it in the Bible, in Genesis, there's a whole section for him. But also in the Quran itself. Chapter 12 is called surah. Yusuf. You can read the whole chapter. It's very interesting. They're almost parallel, except when you get toward the end, and you see some very good lessons in the Quran that are missed.
Somehow, in the Bible. I mean, for any sincere individual who just uses the tools that the Creator has given them, this brain and he uses what God had put inside them this inclination to worship God, you will see I mean that these men are known through history, and they came with that consistent message to worship the one God.
So if somebody says, How would you respond? I've heard this one
argument that when you mentioned profits and God that this is a way for the elite, the rich just to control the poor, so they give them this kind of story. And these things that we're talking about, how would you refute this?
It's true that people have done that very serious
subject, that people have manipulated other people by presenting a religion they made up or corrupting the religion that did come with real profits, trying to emphasize certain things or exaggerate or belittle
or perhaps, add to or take away from in a way that they could manipulate the people's money, their wealth in general, or the power over the society, the political aspects that go along with it. This is well known people have done that. And this is why God keeps sending new profits and sending the new message, the same message but it looks new to the people because they've lost the original. Yes, yeah. When he and this happened so many times, but when the Quran came, a lot promised to protect it. And he has we still have it exactly. today as it was 1400 years ago. What that's what it wasn't necessary for any new prophet to come after him. Yeah. Where can people if they want more
information, you have a website that people can I have one really nice website for people to learn something about the Quran itself. It's called a laws, Koran. Don't put an apostrophe it won't work on there. Just a l l h squran.com. A lot score on.com and in a cover page gives you a nice story about the cron and some basics. You can also read the Quran or have it read to you there are links for read or listen or even learn the Koran and how to recite it and everything from Arabic Allah that's available on that website. Thank you just made the crater Allah reward you for being with us here today.
And thank you for being with us for another episode of the deen show. You can catch up and come up to speed and see all the other shows that we've done with shake estas at the deen show calm where we talked about the first Prophet, Adam and some of the other prophets and today the prophets that we talked about, and you can see the consistent message that all of them came with that way that way of submitting surrendering sincerely in obedience and in peace to the One God to the one creator. And this is summed up with one word Islam. So if you liked what we had to talk about here today, you can come and visit us every week here at the deen show calm and we'll see you next time inshallah God
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