Responding to Trump on Israel – The Propaganda Shared by Jordan Peterson & Ben Shapiro

I just I don't get it. I visited the occupied territories rustle during the First Intifada. I cried every day for two weeks been featured by Trump. I love the Muslims. I think they're great people of Donald Trump, the junior guy has done Jr. here. I'm going live. So we get these kind of propped up people like Ben Shapiro, who Israel kills enough of the sons of bitches that this is not a problem with Jordan Peterson. But what happened to Jordan Peterson when he started working for Ben Shapiro to daily what is the logical conclusion of that? You're your own church. You're your own God.

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Muslims. I think they're great. himself. That's right. Donald Trump, the junior guy has done Jr. here. I'm going live right we have an exciting new episode. He's brought to light much of the atrocity propaganda that the likes of Jordan Peterson are promoting

by and also his boss his higher up Ben Shapiro. And it's really unfortunate and sad to see that much of the stuff that's being put out there. Also by our Christian conservative friends that we're trying to build a relationship with to unite against much of the evil that's affecting us our families and our children. Anyone know what a drag queen is?

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So without further ado, let's bring out our special guests. Keith woods. This is the Daily Show.

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Hey, thanks for having me on. Good to be here. Good to have you with us. How are you Keith? How's it going?

Yeah, doing pretty good. Like you said it's been full frontal assault the last few days. There's a there's a lot of information war going on right now. Okay, before we get into your interaction with the Trump himself, the junior guys Don Jr, here. And I want to go ahead and let a get your feedback on this short clip. It's actually by a holocaust. a Holocaust survivor himself is when he was a child who really speaks about what's going on. So instead of me and you just getting into it, I want to let it come from a Holocaust survivor himself, and then we'll kick it off. How's that? Sounds good. And I found that it wasn't exactly like that. That in order to make this Jewish dream a

reality, we had to visit a nightmare on a local population. And there's no way you could have ever created

a Jewish state

without oppressing and expelling the local population, Jewish Israeli stories, has shown without a doubt that the expulsion of the Palestinians was persistent. It was pervasive, it was cruel, it was murderous

and with deliberate attempt. So that's what it's called the Nakba. In Arabic the disaster or the catastrophe. There's a law that you cannot deny the Holocaust. But in Israel, you're not allowed to mention the Nakba. Even though is that the very basis of the foundation of the state I visited the occupied territories Russell during the First Intifada. I cried every day for two weeks at what I saw, the brutality, the occupation, the petty harassment, the murderousness of it or cutting down of Palestinian olive groves.

The denial of water rights, though he

humiliations.

And this went on and is much worse now than it was then. It's the long it's the longest ethnic cleansing operation. In the 20th and 21st centuries, I could land in Tel Aviv tomorrow, and demand citizenship under the right law have the right of return.

But my Palestinian Finn in Vancouver panna co us who was born in Jerusalem, can't even visit. Now, if I have the right to return after 2000 years, how come Hana has not the right to return after 70 years? So then you have these miserable people packed? It is horrible. People call it the world's largest outdoor prison, which is what it is. You don't have to support Hamas policies to stand up for Palestinian rights. That's a complete falsity you think the worst thing you can say about Hamas multiplied by 1000 times

and still will not meet the Israeli repression and killing and dispossession of Palestinians? Your thoughts?

Yeah, it's a perspective, we don't get much in the West. Everything is in the context of whatever the most recent event is, all of the focus is on a specific Hamas crime. And we're totally denied the context of what's causing this violence.

The fact is, there are over 600,000 illegal Israeli settlers on Palestinian land 10s of 1000s of homes have been demolished by these illegal settlers. In the case of Gaza. This is an area that's five miles wide. That's a morning jog for some people 25 miles long, with 2.1 million people packed in there. It's one of the most densely populated areas on Earth. Half of them are children.

And these people really have been denied any way of of advancement here. I mean, what are they supposed to do? You know, the whole conversation, like I said, in the West has become about Hamas terrorism, and the focus of how it's rarely suffered at the hands of Hamas. But these people are under a brutal occupation or under complete blockade. The Israeli government has turned down multiple truces from Hamas, you know, whatever you want to say about how extreme Hamas is they have offered truces and exchange friend and the blockade which had been rejected, and these people are in an absolutely desperate situation, and it is funny. You know, when you hear discussions as to Nakba,

we're getting all this atrocity propaganda right now, Ben Shapiro was was retweeting a claim that there was pregnant women having their babies ripped from them, no evidence for this claim at all. But a lot of this stuff actually applies to Nakba. There were children ripped from their parents turned up, there were mass rapes. There were murders of civilians. Don't take my word for it. I mean, we've seen footage circulating this week of former Israeli soldiers, these occupations is an ongoing criminal act, war crimes after war crimes those are psychological and and very difficult process. But once you realize that, you are part of a terrorist organization

you understand that you have to say no, you have to take the consequences because I say that Israel is an apartheid state because I say that my government and my military commanders are war criminals.

The whole because

when I

look back on this with glee, you've heard they use flame throwers on Palestinian civilians, how they rape 16 year olds, many of them are proud of this. So unfortunately, it's a very one sided conversation in the West but the context that's that's always left out is the fact that you know these people are being denied statehood during the night basic necessities of existence and it's forcing this this brutal situation.

I want to go back to what you were saying I want people to imagine and I just heard the story yesterday that someone that a friend of mine a family member knows that they got word This was before everything kicked off now that someone the their family home, they had people coming in, they're about to take overs, you have to just get on a plane and get from over here to over there. I want people to imagine like you got your home that's been passed down from generation to generation generation, and it's been your bloodline your family then you got these illegal this is by international, they're violating international law. This is something that now can you just imagine

this is your home, it's your property. Imagine your home you're living it right

out just somebody just came in and just you put you on the street. I mean, it's hypocrisy to think that some people would, you know, just sit there you ever seen that movie Red Dawn?

I haven't seen that though. I recommend it's with Patrick Swayze. Maybe this is this is not from your generation, but this is a old older movie. And Americans were under attack I think by Russians or whatnot in the movie, and then they can see they're coming out to, you know, protect their homeland and whatnot. And it seems very hypocritical like when people you've seen videos with the, with the Muslim lady, and then the Jewish settlers said, hey, if I didn't steal it, somebody else would. Stealing my house. And if I don't steal it, someone else is gonna steal it. I don't know if Did you see Did you ever see that video? Yeah, yeah, I saw that. And the guy has a New York accent.

Yeah, not even from 3g. So what I'm saying is just you got to put yourself have some empathy, some sympathy. I mean, we I mean, me as a Muslim, I'm you're a Christian.

Yeah, I'm kind of a lapsed Christian. Yeah, definitely. Culturally Christian. Yeah. But I mean, as a Muslim, this is something according to Prophet Muhammad, you know, we believe is the last funnel messenger, you know, a killing any innocent human being life. I just want to put this on there. So I don't know if you've ever seen this. There's engagement before the Geneva Convention, you know, you're not to kill any innocent men, women and children, mutilating bodies cutting down what you see in Gaza, it's just like a total annihilation, like all buildings, you know, if innocent civilians are just being you know, just bombed annihilated, people can can see. You know, and this is one of

those things that you actually with with with Trump, he actually retweeted one of your tweets. And you you made a comment after that. He said they are respectfully griping women, shooting concert goers and kidnapping, the children they shoot and blow cut. And then you because you tweeted, some you reported here and can you go ahead get into this, you reported of the respect of the churches, all I did was all I did was post this video of

as retaliation. These were Israeli forces bombed this very old mosque in Gaza, one of the largest mosques there, I believe. I just pointed out that look, if we're if we're talking about standards of military action, and so on how terrible the violence is on both sides. Well, you know, Hamas did give orders to their fighters to respect churches and monasteries. And then you see the behavior of the IDF. They're happy to target religious sites, got a huge backlash, but no one actually said it was wrong.

As you as you see what with Trump himself, he didn't actually say it was wrong. But you know, again, this is this is stuff that's, that's not highlighted, it's totally different. When you have people are lashing out basically against being in an open air concentration camp. And in a desperate situation where they're slowly being ethnically cleansed versus an occupying army. That is no target. And civilians, as far as we can tell, seems to be carpet bombing of Gaza, there's no way to to believe that these are sort of precision military strikes. It's just so ironic, because I remember when the Ukraine war started, and we were getting this footage of buildings being bombed in

Ukraine and Putin was being called a war criminal for this and there was all sorts of allegations of civilians shelling and these were war crimes. Very little evidence for those specific claims. But I mean, we're witnessing it happen in every day No, and Gaza. That's acceptable. It's acceptable if the Zionist state does it. I just want to make a caveat here just as as a Muslim and Muslim simply means as we go along I just educate the audience because it hears somebody's words and they're like, you know, they have associations that are totally the opposite a Muslim is simply one by definition who submits his will to the credit heavens and earth so as a Muslim I don't know about much of these

groups and they're like most Muslims were just you know, so Hamas or whatever some of these other you know, the groups so we're, what they're trying to do is like, this lady here, she sees a Palestinian flag. And I think you also I don't know if you posted on this, but you had people who can identify with what they say is an occupation from Russia. So you see a lot of Americans putting Ukrainian flags but as soon as this lady sees a Palestinian flag she thinks okay, right away in her mind their programming she's connected with Hamas or who some other group out there and she thinks right away they program you think like, oh, you're supporting terrorism, you're this dead. The other

I mean, it just absurd. So have a look at this. Three posted. Author, Lauren wise, that's my Instagram. Author, Lauren wise used to be right in front of your kids. That's okay. Thank you.

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I just I don't get it. I just can't. I don't like I don't you know, I don't understand. This is what do you see something I just don't get it, Keith?

Well, I mean, the media is totally one sided. You know, we have Zionist controlled media in the West. You know, they preach tolerance and diversity and open borders and all these very like left wing values to US and the West comes to Israel to support this this you know, fire right liquid government to support the ethnic cleansing. The support repressing this this non white population. It's a complete double standard. This is never explained. You got it. The head of the ADL out there, Jonathan Greenblatt purpose of the ADL was supposed to be to to fight racism. They tried to get Tucker Carlson fired from Fox News because he was speaking out against immigration in the US. At the

same time, they're supporting this this thyroid, Zionist government in Israel. And we have protesters on the streets of New York. I don't know if you saw this footage. But there's a there was a protest in New York by these people that were sympathetic to Israel, and they were literally calling for the complete genocide of Arabs and wiping out of Gaza. The response would be from Netanyahu and the military.

From the river to the sea, Palestine will be deceased. And he said need to do like this. You see, now Gaza, like this guy doesn't need to do like this. Oh, oh, like this, but all this Jewish toxins? What do you what do you think the response should be? to Gaza? We're gonna wipe them off the

plasmid like a parking lot? Yeah.

I think you can do I think I think now is the time that we need to erase Gaza. Jonathan Greenblatt is silent and not because Greenblatt and the ADL, of course are themselves Linus, and the support designers entity. So we see this double standard across the media.

It's never questioned, the pro Israel position is always taken. Unfortunately, you know, people in the West get that propaganda from all sides.

Going back to your interaction with

Trump, Donald Trump,

Jr. You pointed out something but I did respond to Trump Jr. with is you know, he's portraying us, because He wants people in the West to be sympathetic. So it's, you know, the, it's this kind of Muslim versus Christian conflict. But I said to him, Well, how come you don't speak out about the treatment of Christians in Israel, because just in the past few weeks, we have multiple stories to as a Christian cemetery, and Jerusalem that was smashed up by a Jewish settlers. There was a church in Haifa that was occupied by these Jewish extremist groups. They've been forced out Christian and Muslim worshippers out of out of their holy sites in the Holy Land, with the support of the IDF, the

support of the Covenant government. And we've seen multiple videos in recent months and weeks of these Jewish settlers spitting on Christians.

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so during the Stations of the Cross through Jerusalem, you see these these Jewish groups spitting on Christians. Now you could say, oh, that's an isolated incident. You know, every country has its extremists. Right. But the problem is in the Israeli government, you have people that are sympathetic to this, the Israeli National Security Minister went on Israeli state TV and defended that. He said, Look, it's an old Jewish tradition to spit on Christians. You know, we should keep that in mind. When when we talk about this, we shouldn't condemn them too much salad with the horn, Lomita marlbank Ville? Or do I give

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So these are the kinds of people in the Israeli government. And, you know, the background to this that people are missing, as well as

known as happens in a vacuum and there's there's provocations on both sides, certainly. But in recent weeks, these provocations have really increased in Jerusalem. And there are these extremist Jewish groups that want to build the Third Temple to fulfill their prophecy on the site of the Al Aqsa Mosque which you can correct me but I believe that's like the third holy site in the world for Moses.

So this is obviously very, very incendiary for the reestablishment of the Third Temple, there will be a Third Temple are already active, the Temple Institute in Jerusalem is active. And there's multiple groups like this that are openly working for us, which would create a huge conflict. One is the Temple Institute is the Third Temple being rebuilt. I don't have to guess about that. Now. I've been to the Temple Institute in Jerusalem myself. And I can tell you that all the furnitures already prepared, the plans are already in place. And now for the first time in millennia, they are making plans to rebuild the temple. This is a major development, who it's later of 30 years actually did a

podcast about this yesterday, Rabbi Haim Richmond and he said that Christians in the West should be worshipping all Jews. I just want to say this to our Christian friends, you know,

just just to call it as it isn't saying straight out, you know, you guys are worshipping one Jew.

That's a mistake. You should be worshiping every single one of us because we all die for your sins every single day and that's exactly what's going on here. We're all God's first gonna would die for your sins right now. Because because the Jewish people in the land of Israel are the bulwark against the orcs. Okay, the orcs are coming not to a theater near you, but to your home. Again, very extremist like supremacist statements. He said that Israel was defending the world against the orcs and he was just casually referring to to Arabs as orcs. It's like a total supremacist. And these are the kinds of extremist groups that are driving this you know, they're trying to this Temple

Institute is like trying to breed this red heifer. They're using like embryo selection, it says really weird stuff, trying to fulfill these Talmudic prophecies, and they've been exacerbated in this a lot. You know, there were sprinklin blood on the side of the Al Aqsa Mosque kind of preparing the way for for fulfilling these prophecies and doing the sacrifice.

And the problem is, you know, it would be one thing if these were just some weird isolated cults, right you have that in every country in America has crazy Christian cults, protest funerals and stuff, right, but they're very much on the fringe. But the problem is these people get the support of the IDF when they store my locks and mosque and forced worshippers out the IDF protects hundreds of ultra nationalist Jews are carrying out incursions into the Al Aqsa Mosque complex in occupied East Jerusalem. big crowds of mostly young settlers raised provocative slogans and entered the mosque compound for a third day on Tuesday to mark a season of Jewish holidays. They are being

escorted by the Israeli police. The tensions have been rising here because during Sokak this this week long holiday,

ultra nationalist Jews have been entering the Temple Mount, which they call the Temple Mount, which others called the Al Aqsa compound in larger than usual numbers. And when they make these extremist statements, and they said that all non Jews should be worshipping them, as some kind of Uber mentioned, just just a column as it isn't saying straight out, you know, you guys are worshipping one Jew.

That's the mistake you should be worshipping every single one of us.

People in the Israeli government defend them. So if you want to talk about extremism, or we're always getting told about white supremacy in the West, right, the biggest problem ever is is white supremacy. But what about the supremacy that's that's driving this conflict where you have you have Jewish supremacists within the Israeli government, you can go through look at the members of the Israeli Knesset, multiple members, cabinet members of the Likud government, have expressed their desire to build a Third Temple, which means eradicating these Christian and Muslim holy sites and the area because they have to destroy all these idols as they're considered them to fulfill the

prophecy, which means demolishing this mosque, that's that's his very sacred place for Islam. This is a totally extremist position. But it's it's accepted as normal increasingly in the discourse in Israel amongst Israelis, and again, never reported on the west.

Back to what you were you were discussing here, that today we are witnessing the creation of atrocity propaganda in real time. What is atrocity propaganda and how has it been used to win support? Or

are we seeing that with much of this here this is this an example of it and much of what these people such as Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, and the Trump himself Donald Trump, Jr. are sharing three lies currently being told about Palestine. Number 140. Babies were being hunted. This is completely false. No evidence has been provided for this. The claim comes from this journalist during a walk and talk she makes the claim saying I seen the distance more bodies being covered babies. Their heads thought off later in a tweet. However, she admits that she did

not see bodies but heard a soldier talking about number two people were also false. There is no evidence of this whatsoever. Number three 250 people were killed at a concert, false. The only videos we have seen are people running away from the concert, there isn't a single video or photo suggesting that 250 people were killed at a concert or that a mass shooting took place. What we do have, however, are interviews of Israelis claiming that Palestinian resistance fighters were actually kind to them merciful to them. So why are they lying? It's called atrocity propaganda. They lie about atrocities in order to incite emotions, hatred and violence. Why? Because they are the

ones planning to commit atrocities themselves. To do this, they need to convince you that Palestinians are barbaric animals that torture and had babies. This is a war of information, follow for more, and help us fight your comments, is this much of the atrocity propaganda that you're talking about? And you've, you've you've debunked a lot of this stuff? Is that correct? Yeah, I've been trying to keep ahead of this, I expected this kind of thing to come out, because this is what they always do in times of conflict. And I would just say to Muslims, as well, you know, you see all of these kind of conservative commentators in the West that are promoting this stuff. These are

really astroturf propped up people. You know, a big part of this is that there's been so much censorship across social media that conservatives and nationalists and patriotic people in the West that oppose wars for Israel that oppose the Zionist agenda, they're just censored off these platforms, so they don't really get a chance to to push back. And so we get these kind of propped up people like Ben Shapiro, who Israel kills enough of the sons of bitches, that this is not a problem, whenever anyone suggests that Israel is willfully killing civilians, that is the most ignorant, bigoted anti semitic book ever said, there cannot be a ceasefire. Anyone who calls for a ceasefire

is a terrorist sympathizer under these circumstances, you know, he doesn't care so much about American heritage or culture. But he uses his his last video to try and raise funds for the IDF. He doesn't represent the average American, these people don't represent the average person in the West. But I certainly expected to see this kind of atrocity propaganda and, and not try to go through the history of this. You know, it's very interesting. One of the first examples of this was 1641 rebellion of the Irish against English route. And you saw these reports in Britain and the English Parliament and the early version of the press, where they were talking about the Irish rebels were

ripping babies from pregnant women, on you know, they were torturing women and children and all this kind of thing. And these reports were used to justify a pretty brutal crackdown, and later, Cromwell executing prisoners invoked us. And it's incredible. You see, like, identical kinds of stories now, when you see Ben Shapiro to his 6.1 million followers retweeting the claim of women being ripped from pregnant children by Palestinians. So the playbook actually hasn't changed much and all those centuries. But we saw some recent examples of this specifically related to the Middle East as well. I mean, when the US was justifying its its attack on Iraq with the first Gulf War, there was this

famous testimony by this q&a girl who was 15, who said that she had witnessed babies being pulled from incubators by Iraqi soldiers and left to die on ground. And the first Bush invoked this a lot and justify in the war. These are baby killers, these Iraqi army, they rip babies from incubators, right. Who could oppose baby killers, who could oppose fighting baby killers rather,

a turned out this girl was actually the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the US. And this campaign had been organized by a front group acuity public relations committee that was actually run by an American PR firm. So the entire thing was fake. The entire thing her testimony was pre planned, they tend to the story because it was good atrocity propaganda. And note that they always go for the baby killers, they always go for the children, right? Who could oppose people that want to fight baby killers. And the point of these stories is to dehumanize the other side. And it's very important to design this cause. Because the way they fight these wars as they target civilian

populations, and if you want to justify that you have to invoke some kind of collective guilt on these people, you have to say that these standards, sort of Western ideas that have been adopted internationally about rules of war and civilian engagement and just war, these don't apply, because actually, this entire group of people are guilty, and they're guilty of this collective evil. And the most obvious way you can invoke that that everyone is going to agree is just morally beyond the pale is is targeting of children. And what do we see yesterday we see this claim 40 beheaded babies. The source was Israeli News Network. I've yet to see any verification for this. It's been out 24

hours Now supposedly, the Israeli army said that they have no

information about this, but this one all across western social media. And then we were just getting story after story like this, there was a picture that was supposedly of Israeli corpses and someone identified that they're actually IDF buddy bucks, which suggests that there were Hamas fighters.

A video that Donald Trump Jr posted that I actually got a community note and kind of fact check them, which was kind of funny. But he was posting this video of a room full of full of corpses and people that just shot them up. And he claimed that a friend and Israel sent him this and told them that this was what Hamas fighters did. The dead people were clearly Arabs. And we traced the source of this video was from 2015. So all this stuff is going on social media, no one even knows where it's from, what the source is, but they're basically just looking for anything that can find sick. And we've heard all this about, you know, mass rapes. The thing with the rave, and again, you tries

to sources for this, what's the source of Ben Shapiro was posted in us as well, that was 240 people, right, that this rave raped and killed? Well, you know, am I a terrorist sympathizer? Because I say I'd like to see some evidence of this.

So far, what I've seen as far as evidence for that is it was like a one eyewitness report. So one person claimed this. We've seen no photo evidence, you know, it's 2020 tree, if one has a camera phone,

especially if these young people are at raves in Israel. There's no photo evidence, there's no video evidence. There's no corroborating evidence, there isn't even a second eyewitness that reports this. And just increasingly, these stories get debunked, not within hours, but within minutes, but they still reach millions of people because you have these centralized Zionist influencers and these networks to prop each other up and push this out there. And they do it in a way that they know will appeal to a western audience. As far as the roof goes. I mean, I saw footage yesterday that there was actually Israeli police at the rave that engaged in a firefight with the Hamas fighters. And the

claim was they were using the rivers as human shields. Now, I don't know if that's true, but certainly they were there, covering with them in between the crossfire. So it wasn't as clear could a picture as they just descended on and attacked all of the civilians. But that's not even to defend that specific action. But it's just to say that we're not getting the full story here. And people are putting this out without fact checking it without any standard of evidence or investigative journalism. And it's because they support this agenda. It's because these people are bought and paid for by powerful Zionist influences. In the case of Ben Shapiro, you know, he said his that he his

loyalty to Israel is, his loyalty to the US comes from the fact that they support Israel so much. And these people have a clear agenda, and it's clear that they are misleading their audiences. We tried to push back against it, but that's just such a, like I said, a full frontal assault on the information warfare front.

I don't know if you heard of UFC fighter, one of the legends of the UFC, Jake shields. I don't know if he was following you before I recommended

that he follows you and for some balance fair reporting. And he's also somebody who was

discussing what we're talking about much of these fake videos is amazing how much propaganda and fake videos we are seeing online social media is making it easier for us to direct lies, but imagine how much fake history we are taught you can even goes deeper. Despite that many countries will throw you in jail for questioning history. Soon, they will need to pass laws questioning current events. So it's, um, he's someone also, you mentioned, this term astroturfing. Can you go and explain, you know, most people don't know what that would that term me, but this is really important that people know, this term astroturfing. What that actually is. Yeah, astroturfing is when a powerful interest

like props up a kind of fake entity to represent a cause presenting it as something else. Now, the perfect example is where I talked about with the the QED baby story, yes. Is you had this queue at public affairs committee that was supposedly just kind of neutral committee that's just reporting on what's going on in QA. It's actually run by a PR firm that is specifically like designing strategies for how do we get the American public to support a war in Iraq. That's the perfect example of astroturfing. Now, what you have to realize about political discourse in the West is it's entirely astroturfed. And I would say specifically on the right, because when people gravitate to, you know,

right wing, or you could say conservative beliefs in the West, I think they tend much more to have my instincts, you know, I want to preserve my identity, my heritage, I'm Irish. I share the views of majority of Irish people. You know, I don't want to lose my nation to this liberal, globalist multicultural way of life. I want to preserve the things about Ireland that I value, and I think that's how most Europeans feel they're really not in

Interested in conflicts in the Middle East and, and you know, sending weapons over to to use on Palestinians. I mean, this is, this is a hard sell for the average person. What happens is you look at the conservative movement. And you look at like Charlie Kirk, who's the head of TP, USA at this big conservative students movement in the US and he's funded by by Zionist billionaires. You look at Ben Shapiro, and he's an ardent Zionist. He declares his loyalty to Israel, and on every show, he's raising money for the IDF. His employee is Jordan Peterson. But what happened to Jordan Peterson, when he started working for Ben Shapiro at the Daily wire, there's the logical conclusion of that.

You're your own church, you're your own God.

You know, this was a guy who had a huge audience, captive audience of young people. He taught the meaning he taught them that there's something wrong with liberalism, there's something wrong with this liberal individualism that's been given to you and people gravitated to that. And then what did he do? He joined the daily wire, and he took trips to Israel. And it was pictures of him having dinner with Ben Shapiro and Benjamin Netanyahu. And then he was given these phone and interviews with Netanyahu. And now he's on Twitter, send, give them hell that No, he's telling people we need to go after Iran. He's pushing the Zionist propaganda. And it's like, you can go down the list of

all of these big conservative influencers that are that are propped up. The editor of Breitbart people might be familiar with Breitbart, this was a publication that became very popular during the kind of first Trump movement. And it does represent that kind of populist, Trumpist energy.

The editor of it is a guy, cultural Pollock. And he came on Twitter, after taking a break for the Sabbath. He came on on the weekend.

And he said that Gaza needs to be flattened, people there need to be wiped out. So I think clearly, his identity, his loyalty is more Israel than done to united to the United States, because he's never made statements that strong about securing America's borders. But he's very concerned about securing Israel's borders, and you can even look up, you can still find this online. Breitbart, there's a headline it says Breitbart, founded in America made in Israel. And there's a picture of the founders of Breitbart and Israel in a meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu. And the idea for Breitbart was literally like conceived and planned in Israel. And I can keep going through the list

we have even you look at like the intellectual influences on the right. Like I said, there was just kind of populists trumpists, movement, Brexit, all this kind of stuff was happening in 2016. And there was this question like, where's this energy going to go because Trump was certainly in his rhetoric. I mean, as president, he was a Zionist as any president. But in his rhetoric, he talked about things like ending these foreign wars. And there was a, I think there was a mood of that let's move away from the neoconservatism. Let's move towards America first, not getting involved in these foreign entanglements. But what happened, you had this thing called National conservatism appear,

and this was going to be the new philosophy of the right in the West. And you have all of these people like Viktor Orban, and Tucker Carlson speak at the conferences for national conservatism. Well, who runs to the national conservatism, it's turned by this thing called the Burkean Institute by a guy called Euro Amazone, who wrote this book, the virtues of nationalism, and he was kind of telling people in the West, okay, you can have a little bit of nationalism, you can have a bit of your own identity. But he also had a big defense of Zionism in that book. And he's a he works in Israel. He's a university professor living in Israel. And he's telling people in the West, this is

how your nationalism should be. This is how you're allowed to be conservative, and China to Zionism. So the question is like, why are we in the West? Why do we need a guy in Israel to work out this philosophy of what it means to be a Westerner what it means to be a nationalist in the West? Why do we have Ben Shapiro telling conservatives in America to send their money to a foreign country, but it's like you go down the list, I mentioned Breitbart. Again, you can look this up the current, one of the men editors are disrupted. Sorry, I'm confused. I'm thinking of Prager University, Prager University, which is this big channel you may have seen on YouTube. And again, it's one of the

biggest influencers of conservative discourse. They get millions of views on their videos. They kind of teach young people this is what it means to be conservative. This is what it means to be on the right. And they have multiple videos like defending the IDF defending Israel is what you have to support Israel. Their CEO literally worked for Israeli intelligence. I mean, she's literally like an Israeli intelligence spy. So this is who's controlling this centralized astroturfed conservative movement in the west and now I can go on there and I can rescue these people and I get 30 million views in a week. And you know, I'm just a guy with you know, just people enjoying my content support

me I have no institutional support, and there are people

like that out there, you know there's the America First movement under their young Zoomers that reject us stuff. But we just people like that just get censored so brutally, to prop up these astroturf figures Praeger, you the daily wire Breitbart, and like you said, you go to each one of them. And it's it, there's always you can trace it back. And there's an Israeli first or at the top of these organizations, we can't have a proper conversation about anything in the West while this is going on, because it always gets that directed back towards this state in the Middle East.

People can go to there's a good TED talk, if you type in TED Talk and astroturfing, I recommend people look into this because it's, it's real important. Human life is precious life, this is something that

is very important, doesn't matter if it's from a child from from one side or the other. You know, these are innocent human lives that are being lost. And it seems like every time there's discussion of you notice via be Piers Morgan via be on any one of these news channels, the first thing they want to get into is having the Muslim the one whose they're trying to speak up and on this, they right away are pulling this, Do you condemn that, of course we condemn and killing of innocent human beings is something clear. But then they shift the focus to talk but in another direction, and they don't do the same thing. If somebody from the idea for somebody on this side comes out. They don't

ask them to condemn the the indiscriminate bombing of what is it like 50%? Or is it 50%? Almost like children in Gaza, you got children, most very young children and young children. I mean, they're innocent, they have nothing to it was just incredible as well, because I've seen I mean, I've lost count this week of how many Zionists I've seen on Twitter, effectively justifying genocide. They just mentioned, Joel Pollack, the senior editor of Breitbart said level Gaza, these people come on they're supposedly conservatives that are supposed to be concerned about the West and they're they're making these arguments like everyone in Gaza is collectively responsible for Hamas. We need

to glass Gaza just wipe it out. They're talking about wiping out 2 million people that are that are confined to a space. And this is like the most extreme kind of discourse imaginable where you can literally come on social media and advocate for genocide. I mean, what could be what could be more extreme than that? We hear all these terms like hate speech and why we need to silence the internet, because of white supremacy, where you have these Zionist ethnic supremacists on social media freely advocate in genocide as a form of racial revenge. But then you have you have conservatives use someone like Nick Fuentes. He's, he's censored. Okay. He said some controversial things. You could

find the most controversial stuff. He said he's never advocated genocide in an entire people. But somehow this is accepted. It doesn't make any sense in the terms that these people treat the rest of our politics. Like I said, Jonathan Greenblatt, he's the man person responsible for censorship, his anti Defamation League, which is a explicitly Jewish activist group. And he is trying to censor people for pretty moderate beliefs. He led this advertising boycott of Twitter when Elon Musk took over that Elon has said no cost Twitter 60% of its advertising revenue. And he did this to try and force them to censor voices, mostly anti Zionist voices. But he's going on TV now. And he said that

this is a this is the worst thing to happen since Nagasaki.

He's defending this this Zionist fireroad government while he pushes, you know, far left woke beliefs in the West. There'll be no statement from the ADL condemning the people that marched to New York with Israeli flags, and we need to wipe out Gaza. But they did do a big, huge research article about the fact that there was some, there was some nationalists. There was some far right people in the West on telegram that were sympathetic to Hamas. That's the big focus, but the fact that you have actual Jewish supremacist that are openly telling cameras, they're genocidal, and they want to wipe out Arabs that gets a pass.

Here's

many have

quoted this defense minister saying I've ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip, there'll be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed, we are fighting human animals. So this goes back into like, now dehumanizing

children, human beings. And let's just go ahead and take a take a look. When you do that, then you make the other side look like they're just barbarians and you try to take that human element away from it. And now they're, there's no feeling for what's happening and people can

Let's look at some of these videos. I mean this is just a man now he's sitting

his his whole

house

everything's pretty much gone. This is

an aerial view of this I believe as Gaza is right? Yeah. I mean just imagine now these is this that mosque you were talking about? Is this the mosque? Do you know? Well, this is this appears to me to just be residential areas right can see there's no there's clearly not targeting very specifically there it's just everything is flattened.

So these are and then the excuse is always that this this group is in there, you know, you got possibility somebody's in there. So now Does that justify with international law that you can just go ahead and level the entire, like building with residents with kids eating dinner? Nola, where they sports people think people have you heard this thing? They're like, why don't they just get out? Yeah, why

haven't they been like, this is they've been like blocked from going anywhere. They're like stuck in here. It's like, that's when you hear this term open air prism. Like people don't get it. It's like there's just an open air prison. Yeah, yeah, even I mean that this is the justification. What does that mean? Can you Can you unpack package that because some people they don't get these terms? These word Okay, what does that mean? This is like they're barricaded in this area that you got how many was like almost 2 million people more. It's like 2.2 million, I believe. And they're stuck. They can't leave the sudden everything's managed. They're stuck there. So this is not just that things

can't get out. Things can get in, right. Like I said, this is five miles wide, 25 miles long, 2 million people packed into that tiny space. And it's a brutal blockade. They have this no go zone around the area that if you step into it, Israeli soldiers will fire on you. People get killed every year for going into that area at the sea is also blockaded. And in the past few years ago, there was a humanitarian edge ship that tried to send aid to Gaza that was fired on by Israeli commandos in the sea. And they've enforced these these brutal blockheads. So one of them was when people were flying kites over the walls into Israel, these like fire kites that actually didn't do that much

damage to Israel. It was basically an act of desperation by by young people in Gaza, but then poses brutal blockade, where they weren't allowing in really essential supplies, like you couldn't transport things like plasters and medical equipment. So they're totally blockaded, is an open air prison.

According to some estimates, 60% of the population is unemployed. And that's been the case for decades there. So these people are really in a totally hopeless position on Yeah, I've seen Zionists, this is how they justify it. They say we give them a day to evacuate the women and children. So now effectively anyone that's there deserves their fate if they got hit with a Israeli rocket, or you know if our soldiers go in and clean house looks like where are they meant to evacuate to 2.1 million people locked in this in this, effectively a concentration camp. But this is like I said, this stuff is normalized. I mean, I saw a member of the Israeli Knesset was saying that

every person that lives in Gaza is guilty, there are no civilians. I saw another one who's a member of the ruling Likud party was advocating using a what he called a doomsday weapon and firing Jericho missile and to Gaza, which would just wipe out

massive region, kill hundreds of 1000s of people. But again, this is the kind of supremacist attitudes that are normal in Israel, this Jewish supremacism amongst this ruling party where you just get elected politicians casually talking about genocide and these people.

Yeah, it's very jarring to see

like how you differentiate because it's not a Jewish and Muslim thing. You have Christian Christians who are there. As a Palestinian Christian, I have many problems with Christian Zionist. First of all, this is an ideology that completely ignored me, and ignored my people, and to a certain degree even dismissed us and dehumanized us, speaking about an empty land or Palestine as a land without a people that is dehumanizing to our presence. If you believe that God brought the Jews to this land, and they have a divine right to this land, and this is fulfillment of prophecy, then what about me, what should I do? Should I just leave should I pack and leave? Is this what you are proposing? In

other words, this is an ideology that completely ignored our presence, and even dismiss that presence. Many times they will tell us go to Jordan. Many times they will say there is no such thing as a Palestinian. Other times they will even say we are an obstacle to the second coming of Christ. And in that process, they have ignored our rights and maybe my

One of my biggest problem with Christian Zionism is that it is devoid of justice. Because what about the current military occupation to our land? And to our people? What about the many in justices and the discriminative laws of the State of Israel towards Palestinians? I mean, it's a state that says that the right for self determination is exclusive to the Jewish people only How can you as a Christian support that? What about the rights of refugees to return or about land when confiscate land from Palestinian families, sometimes Palestinian Christian families to build a Jewish settlement on that on that land? can you how can you be as a Christian okay with that, with that

action? You mentioned the spitting on Christians, you mentioned the treatment of Christians even there in this area. So this is not something that is you know, you have a long history where before this I've had rabbis on many Jews believe wrongly, that Zionism is either part of Judaism or is compatible with Judaism, or is even the main part of Judaism. All of those are actually false. Zionism was created to negate Judaism. Zionism was created to replace Judaism. The differences between Zionism and Judaism are vast, they're fast and profound. The propaganda that designers have turned out for the past 100 years, have confused and conflated Zionism and Judaism such that when

the average person walks down the street, he thinks that the State of Israel is the Jewish state. He thinks that Zionism is Judaism. And he doesn't know the difference. This group of Jews here are students of the students of the late sokola, Rabbi Arab JoJo Teitelbaum, who was the greatest disseminator of the clarity regarding the difference between Judaism and Zionism we met with we go to Muslim countries and happens because it's a requirement as the chief rabbi of Palestine, Robert Teitelbaum said, we are required to let the world know that these Zionists and their state does not speak for the Jewish people, and they are not in any way, I have the right to use Judaism, to

oppress to steal the land from the Palestinian people. These people who are good to us and we babysat each other's children we live together, they have no right to steal from the Torah doesn't permit you to steal desires wants to confuse to make it as as a religious conflict, nothing to do with religion. On the contrary, the Muslims and the Arab people were for us, our friends, and our patrons, the ones who protect us and provide a safe haven. And they should not be full, full, full victim of this evil movement of Zionism with God's help if you will remove this impediment to peace. Zionism, a new a relatively new ideology, so 100 mere years, then the Jews and Muslims and

Christians were living for hundreds and hundreds of years, and it was never a problem.

Also, I don't know if you heard of MIKO pill. It was Rabbi who lived in Jerusalem. He was one of the anti Zionist rabbis, like rabbis that you interviewed. And he was interviewed by a student of his and the student said to him if

if you were in charge, today will be the first thing that you would do.

And this rabbi said, the first thing I would do is I would ask the Palestinians to come back.

And the student says, Why, what are you talking about? They're terrorists, they want to kill us. And the rabbi, his name is Rabbi Omraam, Rabbi, Imran Blau. And the rabbi said, Who told you that? Who told you that the Arabs were going to kill us? We had great relations with the Muslims in the Arabs back in the day, you know, his family lived in Hebron and his half family lived in Jerusalem that always had, you know, Jewish minorities. He said, We had great relations, we share the same values, we share the similar culture, you know, we all treat each other with respect there was only only when the Zionists came

the beginning of the 20th century, that the terrorism began, that the violence began, it was initiated not by the Palestinians, not by the Arabs and the Muslims. But by the Zionist, Israeli, also Jewish, who's also speaking out against this and he talks about like many that Jews, Christians and Muslims are actually living in this part of the world. They were living there for centuries in peace. And it's not until recently until this was started happening, that this land was stolen and now you have all these injustices that are that are happening, that now this is causing what's what's erupting in this part of the world. It's very sad to see in that clip you played at the

beginning and Gabor Matta, he's very critical of Israel. You have people like Norman Finkelstein, one of the most influential academics who's Jewish who's critical of Israel, Noam Chomsky, Alon Poppy, who wrote a book the ethnic cleansing of Palestine, that's kind of the authoritative book on the Nakba. So yeah, it's not a it's not a question of all Jews, but it is an issue of there is this ideology of Jewish supremacism? That is very common.

Within the Israeli government within this ferrite liquidnet government, and within these extremist Talmudic groups like the Temple Institute, who this guy representing it says that Israel is fighting orcs so worshiping one Jew.

That's a mistake. You should be worshipping every single one of us because the Jewish people in the land of Israel are the bulwark against the orcs and says that everyone knows what works. What are orcs, Orcs as then, you know, the kind of ghoulish monsters from Lord of the Rings. That's how he wrote non Jews and in the podcast he was on and he says that all non Jews should worship Jewish people collectively. While I explain this to me, I cannot wrap my head around this. Because Muslims we love and revere Jesus as one of the mightiest messengers. We can't say one disrespectful thing about him when we say Jesus was a peace be upon him. Obviously, we don't agree that he's God or

literal Son of God, we believe, like in the Bible that he's called the Prophet. He's a messenger. That's a different discussion debate. But what I'm saying here is that we have such respect for his Blessed Mother, Mary Medion, has a whole chapter in the Quran named after her. Okay, my point. My point is, why, why is there such a connection now here with this other group who disrespects Jesus, who talks, you know, evil, bought his mother, and now you have Christians, I believe, what is it? Like, what's the percentage wise of Christians who are actually Zionist now, and they've taken like Muslims almost as the enemy, and they're over here, you know, getting spit on disrespected, and

whatnot. And we'd love peace for all for all, all of us, you know, to work together on many of the common things that we have in common. But this just doesn't it doesn't like make sense to me, you know, that you have these angelical Christians who are who are out there, and they're propping us up and helping helping this to happen most of these in justices and what what are your thoughts on this? Why, why is this? It doesn't make sense that you have these people telling us that the the ultimate conflict is Christianity versus Islam. I mean, like you said, Jesus is revered as a prophet in Islam. If you look at what the Talmud, which is what these people follow, you know, they have a

lot of religious books. It's the tour isn't their man book. It's the Babylonian Talmud. If you look at the Talmud, what it says about Jesus is,

you know, is we don't have to get into it. But people can we don't have to get into it. But I know I know what you're talking about. Yeah, would be an understatement, right? But yeah, unfortunately, you have these Christian Zionists that think they have to fulfill this prophecy by by given these these Talmudic Jews, a homeland and Israel and by supporting any kind of oppressive action to do against Palestinians. Now, there's an interesting history on that, you know, there was a so called Scofield Reference Bible that was made very popular in the US after the First World War, that had a lot of this dispensationalist stuff about, you know, how history is broken down into eras. And it's

necessary to bring about this this Jewish state in the Middle East. And people are kind of hopped up on this stuff. Now, that's not common theology and Catholicism or an orthodoxy, but it has spread and a lot of these evangelical churches and again, you know, I would suggest, if you look into the history of that, and why that spread, and why,

from that I heard something about this is kicked off with the scope. Scofield Bible. Yeah. And again, I'd suggest, you know, if you look at the kind of interest, I promoted that unwanted Christians to embrace that, you know, again, it's the Zionist influences that want to have Christians under their thumb like that. But yeah, I mean, theologically, historically, it doesn't make any sense. I mean, there was a Pope Benedict, the 15th, was one of the Pope's that said, the holy land could never belong to to modern day jews. And, you know, if you look at Christian theology, I mean, Israel, the people of Israel, Jesus brought about the new covenant. So Israel is

supposed to be,

that's the covenant that you just brought about that would be if you're Catholic, Israel is the Catholic Church. It's not the state in the Middle East. That is this Zionist political entity that you have to support of, of people that deny Christ. So it doesn't make any sense. Like theologically, historically, it's very much again, we talk about astroturf, this is very much a modern phenomenon. It's very much tied to the US and their support for Israel.

But unfortunately, this has captured a lot of people. But I do think a lot of Christians are waking up. I hear I think that's what I was gonna say, I see a lot of Christians who are pushing back and waking other Christians up about this. Yeah. If you look at young people, if you look at the trends with young people,

like I said, there are a lot of people in the West that are tired of liberalism, and they're looking for something more meaningful.

And I think he's, you see that even with things like the popularity of the TED protests and even Jordan Peterson when he was popular, but if you look at the trends, like young people that go back to Christianity, it tends more to be more liberal, like Catholicism, orthodoxy, something that has more of a tradition. And also if you look at support for Israel, it's very much a kind of generational thing. The Boomers definitely

like big supporters of Israel in the US. But as you go down, as you go down to generations, and you get to the younger conservatives, they're very much ambivalent about Israel. And that's a concern for Israel, because, you know, they hopped left up on this anti colonialism stuff.

Now that they're opposed to Israel, for that reason, a lot of first second generation immigrants in the West are Post Israel. So they need the support of the Republican Party, specifically, they need support of conservatives. But if you go down to the younger generation of conservatives, I think the internet has a lot to do to it. And, you know, being able to get these narratives out there about how Israel hasn't been a friend to the US, you see that support begins to collapse. And you see that conservatives of the younger generation are much more nationalistic and much more America first, they don't understand these generational conflicts and why the US should be involved in the Middle

East. So if you look under the surface, you know, there are ways in which these traditional sources of support the Christian Zionism, the Republican Party, they're slowly getting undermined by being able to spread narratives and being able to speak freely. And the Internet has had a lot to do with that. We got a few more minutes I want to just touch upon. This is a longer discussion. I actually spoke about this some time ago about this third temple, it was something that was kind of like, oh, this conspiracy, this that the other, but this is what you were pointing out, this is becoming more mainstream now. Is that correct? With this, with the political party that's now in place, they're

actually trying to go ahead and build build this type of where's it at right now? What's where are they? I mean, it's, it's obviously very, it's a very touchy subject for everyone, the Christians and the Muslims and the Jews. So the the Israeli government won't come out and say, like, yeah, we're going to demolish the mosque and build a temple. I mean, that would really set things off. Right, especially when they're trying to normalize relations. This is something people can go look into, right? This is not something that oh, yeah, I mean, you can just look up the Temple Institute. You know, the, the quotes I was pulling from where the guy was calling people orcs and said, everyone

needs to worship Jewish people. That guy that's on his official podcast, Rabbi home, Richmond, okay, you can look that up. And he was head of the Temple Institute for 30 years. And this is all documented. They even have a lab and Texas I believe, where people can verify this, this is something well, yeah, there was embryo selection to to breed this red calf that they have to sacrifice on the Temple Mount. And then they can build this just Third Temple. And you can just find multiple statements from people that have held very high positions in the Israeli government. Like I said, the Israeli government might not come out and say, Yeah, we support this, because that would

just declare them an enemy to all Muslims and Christians alike. But you can find statements from individual ministers where they say like aspirationally Yes, in the long run, we would like to see the Third Temple build. Yes. That's how we'll know when that when Zionist project has succeeded this kind of thing. And these are the groups you know, this attack by Hamas was called the Al Aqsa flood, because in their statement, they released they said it was a response to the rise in tensions related to Al Aqsa Mosque and what was kicking this off. Again, you can find all of this verified as these Talmudic extremist groups were storeman Alexa mosque force and worshippers out there declaring

to the Muslims, we're going to tear this down, we're going to build the Third Temple. You can find this footage, they're telling the the Arabs there's going to be a second Nakba. So these are the groups that are driving this is this supremacist ideology where these people think that they should be worshipped. think that they're the center of history. You know, they don't believe that the covenant is for all mankind, they believe that it's about them, and that they have a right to extinguish other people's holy sites and destroy other people's places of worship to bring this about. And, you know, like I said, if there were a fringe cult, it would be one thing. But when they

have support within the Israeli government, I think it shows how extreme the sinus project has become.

Recently, we had the one of the discussions of the year on the Patreon David pockets. I went down there myself, I met Patrick and I would really recommend that he gets if he wants to talk and dwell into these topics. He talks a lot about politics and others, would you be willing to go on I would recommend that Patrick and David he has a vision of Muslims and Christians working together on a common good are the things that we have in common. I'm really, I really respect this vision, and I really agree with it. We have a lot of things in common and we have many things that are affecting ourselves, our families, our communities. And now we have these things that are now a

point of contention. And I think you've made some really, really important points and what would you say to someone like Patrick, Ben, David and others, a lot of his a huge Christian following and others. I make this example I had also a Christian who was a huge hater of Islam and Muslims. I don't know if you've heard of Owen Benjamin. My main thing is to help people not hate so many good hearted Muslims that are withstanding evil, and they are the type of people you you want to root for the scholarly, beautiful muslim people don't want

At the media paint, you know, a fifth of the planet is people that deserve to be bombed as a sacrifice. So we want to we want to help with that. We want to help because there's a lot of hate out there. And go ahead. Yeah, there's a lot of programming that I've realized has happened in America of the anti Muslim programming, because we all know there's Pharisees in every religion, there's some bad Muslims and bad Christians and bad news. Because I used to think that Muslims were the boogeyman, something that really changed my perspective was when a Muslim friend of mine, I heard him say, Jesus peace be upon him. And I had always thought that you guys hated Jesus, you

know, and that was, and that blew my mind because I listen to Ben Shapiro on Joe Rogan, talking about how Jesus Christ was a common criminal and was killed for rebelling against Rome, which is insane statement. And then my Muslim friend would say, Jesus peace be upon them. And I was like, hmm, that kind of made it through the programming. And once he started to see like, wow, Muslims, they say what they say Jesus, they say, turns a respect peace be upon him, you know, they don't disrespect him, but this other group does. And then he was like, man, you know, when he started to really investigate, he saw like, he was he was programmed, and he got unprogrammed. And I think many

of these people listen to people like yourself, you know, giving much of the facts debunking much of the atrocity propaganda that's out there. What would you say to someone? Like, would you go on PDB podcast? Would you sit and talk with, with, uh, Patrick and David and many of his followers that are out there, if they're confused, right, they're confused. You know, they don't agree with $3 billion. We have homeless people, we have sick people, we have communities that look like they've been worn torn in our country. And we're, I'm an American, also, my I was born here, I want the best for my country. I don't want our money being thrown out when we have issues here. And most Americans, I had

a Christian lady also, from if Americans only knew if they only knew they wouldn't agree with all this money, how much is a 3 billion a year going? Going out to 3.8 billion, it's actually more if you look into imagine what we can do with that money here. Right? So what would you say to the average Christian and other people who their people are being programmed, and the wrong direction? What would you say to them? And where would you direct them to get the proper education on this matter here? Well, I would just repeat that the conversation in the West is very centrally controlled by figures that are very focused on this one specific topic. Now I come at this, first

and foremost, from the position of a nationalist I value like real cultural, I think religious diversity, and you know, I want to preserve my identity. And you know, I'm getting a lot of Muslim followers now. Because I'm, I take that to its logical conclusion. I said, Well, you know, I want an Ireland for the Irish. And I think Palestinians should have Palestine, and they shouldn't have to be forced out of their homeland. And you know, a lot of them they see, oh, well, you know, you you're taking this kind of nationalist stance in the West, you must be anti Islam, you must support these wars in the Middle East. It's like, no, of course not. You know, people in the West, we want to be

left alone, we want to have our own cultures and traditions. It's not us that's pushing us. It's these Zionist figures that have sort of captured the conversation, once you all of the lists of big influencers. And we get redirected all of the time if people in the West are concerned about losing their identity and culture. And if they want to preserve that if they do something like oppose immigration, they got distracted this and know what the problem was actually Islam. And we need to reform Islam, you know, this was popular, you had these figures like Tommy Robinson, where he was first he was representing people that were concerned about multiculturalism. And he said, actually,

the problem is Islam. And Islam needs a reformation and we need to make the Muslims good liberals and feminists and then everything will be fine. And so he puts people on these figures put us normal Westerners and opposition to Muslims as if we have to do this imperial project to change other people's religion, just because we want to preserve our traditions and identities. So the conversation is totally manipulated. If there were people that could actually express that and could actually express a proper if even if you look at the US someone expressed the proper American first position that say, why are we supporting Israel when it bombed the USS Liberty and American ship?

Why are we supporting Israel when it's creating all these enemies for us, when you know the previous terror attacks on the US have been justified by their ongoing support for apartheid said in Israel so I think if there was a proper conversation if people could have an open dialogue about this, things would turn very quickly and that's what you have to keep in mind this are very powerful interests. I work very hard and throw a lot of money into controlling this conversation. As far as where to look you can follow me on Twitter you'll find the people I retweet there are still some good voices out there. You know, I was banned off Twitter for a year and a half so like I said, it's

we get suppressed higher but you can follow me Jack shields is a good example. These are guys that were pushing the band DDL tag as well try and end this design a censorship of the internet. Lucas

edges another one who I repost a lot. And you know, we are out there there are people that care about the West want to preserve our traditions, our identities, but see that the problem is not Islam or the problem is not any individual people. The problem is this supremacist Zionist ideology that controls our discourse, and then creates this destabilized Christys wars and this destabilization in the Middle East. And you're waking people up about that. And you have I've interviewed a lot of Jews, rabbis what Naga said earlier who also who make this distinction and who are against to this same movement, Jews themselves. Yeah, yeah. So you're down for the PBD podcast,

if you absolutely, absolutely. Let's get everybody who's watching send this, go ahead and retweet this send this to our friend, Patrick up and David. And he can have a another fair, balanced discussion with somebody like you, who's very well informed. I want to thank you very much. God bless you, for being with us and helping to share much of this these this information is very important. God bless and thanks for having me on. Thank you, brother. Thank you peace. We've been told that they're out to kill us all. So I'm gonna go brothers and sisters, we went to the streets to ask Americans about Islam. Here's what they said. Do you know anything about Islam? No. Do you

know anything about Islam? No. Sadly, do you know anything about Islam? Not really. Do you know anything about Islam?

No, sorry. You know what Islam means? Islam? No, we've been told that they're out to kill us all. That's what you've been told that Muslims are out to kill you all.

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