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When I said to the policeman in Hebrew, help help this boy. And they said to me, or I'm talking about his an era of these messages coming in to me right now, from people in Gaza. He told us when the soldiers come, they wake everybody up and hurt them into a kitchen for hours. While soldiers asleep in their bedrooms, this whole idea that Jews and Arabs have been enemies. I mean, that's like just it's modern propaganda to kind of justify because this is over 1000 years of mothers teaching their children grow up and kill Jews in the Muslim world. Jews thrived. It was a golden age. We we Jews talk about the golden age of Spain, when it's time that Gaza ends, the 2 million people who
live there. They are clever assassins, they need to be removed from that land, that land needs to be turned into a national park. But Hertzel he was thinking about Christians. Hmm. annihilating Jews. What, what's your response to that? So the narrative that's painted that for over 1000 years, Muslim mothers teaching their children hate Jews, eradicate Jews, completely untrue. It's absolutely untrue. And that is my next guest, Rabbi. That's right, Rabbi, David, give us Sara, I first went to Israel, as a 19 year old young man, trying to find my place in the world coming to a place where I felt like whoa, you know, like Israel, that's like my people's country, very first week, maybe the
second or third day, I was in Jerusalem, I was walking down a street that's called Jaffa Street, and goes from the Jaffa Gate to Jaffa. And there's nice old stone shops and stuff. And there was a little boy, maybe six or seven year old boy, bleeding from his head, he must have cut his hand on a broken bottle, bleeding and crying and, and there was two policemen there. So I went to the boy. And I said, you know, come with me. And I took him to the policeman. And I said to the policeman in Hebrew, helped help this boy. And they said to me, why are you talking about he's an Arab, you know, just get rid of him. So that was my first experienced rabbi, David myba. Sarah, and you know, just
right here in the beginning, I can say it's a cognate, or related word with Beshara, or Bashir. busser, right. In Arabic, it's, it's it, it's a Hebrew word that means a messenger bringing good news, beautiful, beautiful. And this is what really captivated me the story you're sharing. And there's another part to it, I want to go ahead and emphasize this is the part that stuck out and I want people at home to really like replace this word Arab, with the next word that we're going to go ahead and have people listen to it, and they can really, maybe this can really hit home. If he said said the N word. Right, please forgive me. But I'm just trying to say just replace Arab with the N
Yeah, exactly. How repulsed? Will we be? Yes, this is an era isn't it? You know, just get rid of him. So that's what's happening to the people over there. This is how they're treated exactly is this. So this is the story. This is where your journey started to where you are today. Tell us a little bit about yourself, for people don't know about you. And then we get into kind of the story that I was sharing with the audience, you know, I want to like actually replace what you just did, which was completely right. But right now, what I'm hearing is people being driven out of their homes being displaced, many of them being killed. What if we went back 80 years ago and replace the
word Arab with a Jew?
Right? Hmm. I mean, what was going on?
In the early 1940s, when Nazis were rampaging across Europe and driving Jewish people out of their homes, rounding them up in these tiny little places full of disease with no food, no water, and intending actually to, to exterminate them. You could have gone farther with what you just did in that little segment, which I understand like that was like for an American audience to hear that word.
But when I see what's going on today, what I see is the history that I grew up with, which
was totally the Holocaust.
And I can say at that time, I don't know how much people were aware of what was going on in the world, you know, did they know what was happening in real time? I think, largely, it wasn't really known until afterwards. I don't know. That's history. My point is right now we see what's happening in real time.
And I think we're feeling very impotent to do anything about it. So
So anyway, that's just what's right on top for me like right now, while while I'm sitting here. I don't know if you hear these little sounds coming from a computer going, Yeah, blink. These are messages coming in to me right now from people in Gaza.
Right now women in maha Z camp. One of them is 24 year old mother of two who I've been in touch with for about four years, and helping her provide literally food for her children for these years, and the other one is a woman is an amazing woman. She has four children, and she's also there. And I've only been in touch with her since October 7, when things got so horrible, but they're both writing to me in the last hour or two, telling me they are being driven out.
And there's nowhere to go.
So you're literally right now getting messages from Gaza, how are they able to communicate? We heard like the internet, they shut everything down? How are they still able, it's often on?
It's often I mean, yeah, there'll be there'll be there'll be in touch for a while, and then they're just gone. You know, and it feels like it's really important when you can be in touch with them to, to connect, you know, part of I think, obviously, the little bits of money that we send them help them buy food and water. And all this started in a time when they didn't even need warm clothes, you know, and now they do anyway, there's so much that they need and the little bits of money that we send help them but besides that, for a lot of people
being in touch with someone who's outside of that situation, who knows what's going on.
Here's another one, like really, really?
In real time, that's amazing in real time, you're getting messages from Palestine, from Gaza, that sustains them. You know, it's like, there's so many things from the Holocaust, where people wrote on like little pieces of paper and like stuck it in a crack in the wall saying, If only someone knew what was happening to us. Right? Are they right? Or are they just like scrolled on the wall? Like when this is over? Someone will find that and they'll know what happened to us. We got we got it in Torquay is happening right now live? The whole world seeing it? Yes. Yes. It's, it's telling me, let's go back to this story. This story when I when I first watched this, it's an era of you know,
just get rid of him. I was like, wow, so you went back. And you were going back, you lived in Israel. And now this is kind of what kicked it off. And then there were other events. But take us back to that story. Let's let's revisit that story.
I, you know, I grew up in America, in a very, you know, comfortable, reasonably easy life in the late 1960s. And as I got more and more interested in my own Jewish identity, and who am I, as a young, you know, young man growing up in this world and really seeing myself as a Jew, where's my place in the world? Where do I belong? Like,
it was good to get born in America and grow up there. It made life a lot easier than most other places. But I didn't feel like that was really my place in the world. I don't actually belong there in some essential way. That country of America doesn't belong to me. You know,
this land is your land This land is my land is like, Hmm, not really. We are the beneficiaries of a genocide. That's why we're there. So where do I belong? And everything I knew kind of pointed back to the land of the Bible, the land where my ancestors lived, the land or the Jewish kings were kings and where our profits were. So I 1819 years old, I thought, I'll go there. I'll check it out, and was full of idealism about it. So that's like some background.
And then when I went who was 1971
the story that you're
asking me to retell a bit is when I first was in Jerusalem, which was like magical, amazing, beautiful, unbelievable kind of place. There was an incident where maybe second or third day I was there, I'll just retell the story. I was a very nice street full of old shops, you know, stone buildings and just beautiful. And there was this little boy was
He's bleeding out of his hand and crying and I and I thought, oh my god, you know, I tried to help this little kid. And there were two policemen standing right nearby. so I gently took the little boy to the policeman in Hebrew. Speaking in Hebrew, right?
Yeah, yeah, yes. Yeah, I learned Hebrew.
And this policemen were like, they were like,
like, what was an era he's in? You know, just get rid of him. He's an Arab, like, just, you know, just get rid of him. And that was honestly, that was my introduction to what did you can say, the other side of Israel. So I lived with an ideal kind of romantic vision of Israel.
And actually, you know, one reason I was telling that story is because it took me decades of my life.
In decades, when I saw right before my eyes, decades, like I told when I was just telling him what's when I was 19 years old. I think I passed age 50, maybe got close to 60. Before I could integrate into my overall concept of Israel, what was really going on there. I read the history, I knew that I knew that the Jews throughout the Arabs demolish their homes, you raise their villages I saw right before my eyes, piles of rubble, that were Palestinian villages, I knew that. It wasn't a matter of cognitively not knowing it, it was a matter of integrating it into my conception of what's going on.
And I'm saying this because
it takes people a very, very long time to
let go of the stories that we tell ourselves to mean so much and kind of shaped who we are, right, that story that I was telling myself about Israel. Do you think it's a story about myself? And to let go, that was such a major reorientation? What why? What triggered me about that story, what was fascinating is that humanity, like just the child's an innocent child, your humanity turret was on, and you wanted to help this child. But then you took them over to the proper authorities, and is a fair assessment, had they lost their humanity.
We're trying to abide by our intention here is to get people to keep the humanity on. I mean, we condemn the killing of any innocent human being all human life is precious. This is without a doubt, all human life, not just some, all human life. Yeah. So we want to get people on the same page with this.
And then when we and never again, you know, you know, like, Isn't that one of the purposes of religion? Doesn't every religion it's each Yeah.
Right? And then they get they get distorted and corrupted and perverted. So it ends up when you say they lost their humanity. Oh, they're so kind and helpful to other Jews, where people they think are Jews, but they will wall off everybody else. And, you know, with all respect for other people's religions, I think,
in practice that
you know, there's a lot where the religion turns into like an in group versus the out group. Now you talk about for our audience, who don't know this term cognitive dissonance when you went through it for a long time from and that was that was a catalyst from that moment. So cognitive dissonance dissonance the state of having inconsistent thoughts this is one of the definition beliefs or attitudes, especially as relating to behavioral decisions and attitude exchange. Some examples given are you want to be healthy, but you don't exercise regularly or eat nutritious food, you feel guilty as a result, you know that smoking drinking is harmful to your health, but you do it anyway. In the
field of psychology, cognitive dissonance is the perception of contradictory information and the mental toll of it. So this was your state for a long time. How can someone now how can we impact this that people who want to have their humanity on they don't have to go through such a long time while we're seeing right for K innocent children, innocent human beings being going through
Genesis, would you say this is a genocide is?
It is it is? It does doesn't matter whether I say it or not, but it is. It's, it's, I mean, it's
Israel is indiscriminately killing 1000s of people simply because of how Israel identifies them, right
They're Gazans, they're Palestinians. They're Arabs, and they're just getting killed. And also, it's very clear that Israel is removing them, erasing them from the place where they've been living. And that's over 2 million people. I expect they're going to be
pushed out of there. And we need to remember why are they even there in the first place? Something like 80% of the people in Gaza are the children and grandchildren of people who were pushed into Gaza.
In 1948, when their homes were
destroyed, they were driven out of their homes in 1948. And then the Israelis dynamited them, bulldoze them, wipe them off the face of the earth, so they would have nowhere to come back to that's explicit. And that gets called the Nakba. The Nakba, the Nakba, and it's a continuous process that began in 47, and 48. But we're seeing it, as you've said, a couple of times, I don't know the 4k means, but we're seeing it in 4k, like you have 1080 You have this is the different HD. That's like the top and HD. Okay. That's not my field of expertise. But
this is happening.
Right now, in real time, real time getting messages right now, within the last hour from two women with children who haven't been able to eat for two months, being driven out of their homes. And, and when you say, Is this a genocide? I don't want to get pedantic. I mean, you can look it up in a dictionary or go to some, you know, international law, like what is genocide? This is it. It's happening.
And for Americans, it's being paid for with our tax dollars. And given a diplomatic cover a political cover. That's happening right now. Tell me, let's go back in history, you mentioned 915 48. I'm going to play another clip. And this is by one of the leading figures in America, it's a Christian. And there it goes with this narrative. So we want to unpackage that narrative and see how false true this is. We can no longer embrace this being Mr. Nice Guy, to the people who are in Gaza, because this is over 1000 years of mothers teaching their children grow up and kill Jews grow up and kill Jews, if not. Now, when you hear that, as a Jewish rabbi, what do you say to that the narrative
is that she's the what she's repeating is that it's been over for 1000 years. Most of mother's mother's Palestinian mothers are teaching their children to hate Jews to eradicate Jews. What's your response to that? Completely untrue? It's absolutely untrue. This, first of all, this conflict only began a little more than 100 years ago, it began because of Zionism, declaring that it's going to take this land away. That's why that began.
And it's certainly not 1000 years. And during the past 1000 years, many, many Jews who needed to flee from their homes were taken in by Arabs, and by Muslims. Even in Gaza. There were Jews in past centuries, who fled to what we call Eretz. Israel, the land of Israel. And the place where they went was Gaza. And they were taken in that's known there are rabbis in Gaza.
Nobody killed them.
Wow. So this is an this is confirmed. I've interviewed other rabbis. And they've also testified to this historically. So where she getting this? I mean, because there was a relative relative peace for over 1000 years. Sure, sure. So where does she get it? So go back to that concept of cognitive dissonance. And I want to apply it to this situation. So most people want to believe that the people who they identify with and they are a part of are good people, and they do good in the world, right? We want to think that about ourselves in the plural.
And if the evidence is to the contrary.
And you and right before your eyes, you see that that's not true.
Cognitive dissonance means you can't hold both of those things in your mind at the same time. You can't say we are good people, and we're doing evil that doesn't fit. So one or the other of those things needs to go. And if you're very attached to the idea that we are good people, then you have to get rid of the evidence.
You have to like sweep it under the rug and not believe it, and even overwhelm it with something else. So I would just propose the kind of armchair psychologists that that woman and many, many people like her
can't accept that their people are doing something so horrible. So the psychological defense against that is to say, like,
Oh, those people, the ones we're doing it to,
they're really the problem. They're the ones who hate, they're the ones that kill, and so on, and so on. And we're hearing that over and over again.
This is very complex. I don't say that as an excuse to not deal with it. But just right now, something we hear over and over and over is on October 7, yes, Hamas fighters
broke through the fence that they had been enclosed in for 16 years. Most of them were not much more than 16 years old, you know, they broke through the fence, and they attacked Israelis and they killed hundreds.
They committed atrocities.
And that is just used over and over and over and over again, as a kind of justification.
Which it's not for committing even greater atrocities. I'm just saying that's a dynamic. Why does that woman need to insist on something that is so completely untrue?
It's, it's like a psychological cover.
I think it's not a political argument. Right? There's no, there's no truth to it.
But it can make her feel okay. About the people who she identifies with. Whether she's Jewish or not, I don't know who she is. But she identifies with that. So for her, it's okay to do what we see as real doing, because those people are such monsters.
And just one more piece of information, I want to go ahead and just drive this point home. This is another academic Jewish academic.
Regarding this question, and this issue is near to the painting, I want to go and play this. Jews under medieval Islam never suffered from the same general negative perception as in Christian West, despite regional variations and high medieval political instability. In medieval Islam, multiple multicultural environments, combined with active engagement in science and literature lead to something of an Islamic Golden Age for the Jews, at least according to most historical, historical accounts. It has been primarily in the context of recent political developments, that the ones assumed positive views of Jewish life under medieval Islam have been seriously questioned. And this
is from the Professor Dean Philip Bell, Professor of History at separatists Institute.
Would you would your institute is a Jewish College in Chicago, it's a Jewish College in Chicago. Do you know this? Do you know? Do you know this? Do you know this professor? I don't know him actually. But more importantly, is what he said is undeniably true. Absolutely. Anybody who knows, like say Jewish liturgy, meaning the kind of body of prayers that we say in the worship would know that our most beautiful like,
hymns and poems we call it PU. were written.
In the Muslim world Jews thrived. It was a golden age we we Jews talk about the golden age of Spain, that was several centuries under Muslim rule. And it came to an end actually, when the Christians conquered the Muslims and push them out. Oh, yeah, sure. I mean, and
all this stuff is being used politically and distorted. But anyone who has a shred of knowledge about the development of Jewish life knows about, say the Golden Age in Spain.
Beautiful I can go so much farther than that. I mean, many of the people listening might have heard of my monitor is I think in Arabic is rolled out my Mooney Rambam
Thank you remember, you did that very well. Rambam which stands for Rabbi Moshe Ben, my Mom, tell us about him. Yes. Well, what I want to say well we there's an expression saying from from Moshe to Moshe, there was none like Moshe meaning from Moses, the prophet in the Bible and
kill Moses bend my mon Ron Bom are all my money. There was no one that great. He was that great. He was like the leading
Jewish philosopher and so on. He also was a physician.
I'll just say a few more things. So he was born and on the loose in Spain under Muslim rule.
The rich went on for centuries. And it was a beautiful multicultural kind of environment.
I've even seen pictures of tombs of kings, that engraved on the tomb is Arabic, Latin, and Hebrew. I mean, that's how multicultural it was the tomb of the king has those three languages anyway. So my mother is was born there, his family was driven out, they went to Morocco. And eventually he went and settled in Cairo. And he became the physician to the Caliph in Cairo. But the thing I wanted to say is he wrote his greatest philosophy, that in English, it's called guide to the perplexed. It's written in Arabic language.
You know, and Jews, the majority of Jews in the world spoke Arabic, they lived in Arabic speaking countries, for centuries and centuries.
Yeah, so this whole idea that Jews and Arabs have been enemies. I mean, that's like just
it's modern propaganda to kind of justify
my moderate, very sadly, what some Jews are doing to Palestinians. And that's been going on for, I'd say, started about 100 years ago, it got very intense, a little more than 75 years ago. And as we speak, today, it's like reaching.
It's reaching a level like, actually, I think beyond what was done in 48, to drive more than 2 million people out of their homes and
indiscriminately just kill and starve people and actually induce diseases.
it's, it's, I just can't even think about it. And even though I did can't think about it, so that means a lot of people need like, a screen so they don't have to think about it. So they come up with this idea, like, oh, they'll kill us if we don't kill them. First. They even actually did kill some of us.
Now, you being a practicing, obviously, Jewish rabbi, many Jews did. I've spoken to Jewish rabbis. They also they talk about how Zionism has hijacked Judaism. And here's an interesting historian. He talks about how designers don't believe that God exists, but they do believe that He promised them the land. How ironic. And that, is it true that most of even the the theater rehearsals in the early founders, they didn't also use this argument that did to establish this
state that they had to establish it for their survival against the Muslims. They didn't use that. They didn't that yeah, they didn't. No, no, no, no, they didn't. They weren't dealing with that. That hadn't come up in history yet. For them, when you talk about Hertzel, he was thinking about Christians.
annihilating Jews, I mean, we're talking about, let's say, when my grandparents were young, right, and my grandfather was born in what today is Bella rose. And it was rife with pogroms, meaning mobs armed mobs attacking defenseless Jews, killing them, raping them, destroying their homes, you know, so they fled from that to America. Thank you very much America.
But that's what that's what Hertzler was reacting to. It had nothing to do with Muslims, who wasn't Muslims who was I don't even want to say it was Christians because Christians don't behave like that. People, but they're not they're not they're not Christians, I don't know call themselves they're not Christians. But that's that the point is, had nothing to do with Muslims whatsoever.
Who and you also brought up something about Judaism itself, I think you might have used the word hijacked.
It's very true that
Judaism has always maintained a relationship between the Jewish people and that land. I can say the land of our ancestors, for sure. You know, that was a place that we prayed about when we prayed like to be able to be restored to it but it wasn't being restored by by might or force, like we're going to take it over. being restored to it meant that we were
Living in like a godly way. And the religious idea was, if we
live in a godly way and do the right things in this world, then God will take us back. And that's part of like, kind of putting the world back together and kind of like this. It's like a mythical ideal, the way it should be, almost like an image of the Garden of Eden. I don't believe it's a historical reality. But it's again, I think psychology is so important, like our inner lives really drive what we do, you know. So if you have a belief have a kind of an ideal way that it should be. And that ideal is, we'll be back in our land, when we live in a right holy, godly way, part of the reward for that as we'll get to go back to where we belong.
That's that was a religious Jewish idea. And for 2000 years, Jews had that idea and prayed about it, and tried to live in a good holy way. And it wasn't happening. And there were pilgrims, and there was
horrible things going on. So in the late 1800s, in the time of modernity, maybe a different conception of human agency in this world and less like relying on God to get things done. And in a time when nationalism was rising in Europe, there were Jews who thought we need to take history into our own hands, right? Not pray about it, not do all these religious obligations or commandments and hope that God does it for us, because that's not working. Right. We're meanwhile we're getting killed. So we need to take care of this ourselves. And that's, that's the birth of Zionism.
I'm gonna get your we're gonna go back to this. Michelle Bachman, who's former Congress lady who was in the previous clip, I want to see how you That's That's why I played that clip, because she's a very influential lady. And then you know, that's who that was. Yeah, so many, many people. Here's another clip. And I think one of the wisdoms behind what's happening is we're really getting to see people's true faces and what's in their hearts and if they even have a heart, so I want to hear this next clip and see how you interpret this way. It's time that Gaza ends the 2 million people who live there, they're clever assassins, they need to be removed from that land that land needs to be turned
into a national park. 2 million people clever assassins. I think half half of those there are children under the age of 18. How would you translate those those those what she's
spewing out there? It's just hateful racism?
I can't imagine I can't imagine what's going on in her head.
I can't either I was like, Am I crazy? Here is this this is like almost inciting genocide. This is also this is a crime.
It is it is it is
yeah, it's sick. It's it's a kind of a psychopathology to think that way about any clever assassins turn it into an amusement park. I cannot wrap my mind. I said, I don't get it. And like you said, yeah, go ahead is just totally irresponsible. I mean, I would just say irresponsible, totally kind of like Trump.
Just anything can come out of her mouth. She has a thought she thinks it's going to like, impress people and get her some attention. And oh, well, there she is on the Charlie Kirk show. And
so she just blurts out, whatever she feels like saying this, it's completely irresponsible. And
it's just it's horrible. We we are living in very, very frightening times when people like that can have such a platform. And they're taken seriously.
Very scary. I want people to now watch this next clip and tell us your experiences from living Israel. Did you see some of this and I want people to just put them so until we're able to put ourselves in other people's shoes, to have some empathy, some sympathy and say, Would we allow this for ourselves? Check this out. We understand that Israeli soldiers came in this morning and without any notice, without any invitation. came into the apartment and have been there ever since.
I will not speak with you. There is a soldiers. The soldiers Yes. What are they doing? Here? We are the prison here.
They are giving you here and the soldiers is upstairs. We cannot move. We couldn't speak with you. You can't leave the hell no. They told you that. Yes. I can't believe how long they're going to stay. I don't know. Are they paying you any money?
You're kidding. I'm kidding. I'm gonna see
If no bank manager said he had to get to his bank to open the safe, but soldiers won't let him go, he told us when the soldiers come, they wake everybody up and herd them into a kitchen for hours. While soldiers sleep in their bedrooms, they can't leave or use the phone, or less. This time, we kept the women under house arrest, but let the men go to work and the children go to school. When the children returned, we caught a glimpse of two armed soldiers at the top of the stairs, asleep in their bedrooms, what is your reaction and this is this has been going on for, for how long for decades.
They can literally come in someone's house and take over their house and sleep in the bedroom. They can do anything they want. No one's going to stop them and they do it. I know this personally.
I know I have. I mean, I've absolutely seen this. I have my own clips of people. I can use names and places I can tell you very specifically going back at least 20 years.
And it's it's totally common place all the time, Israeli soldiers bargin to families homes, take over their homes, they often go up on the roof and use the roof as an observation point or even a sniping post.
And you could say they use the people in the house is like human shields.
And they they can't they just ransack the house. I mean, this happens
every single night. And it's done for again, for psychological reasons to simply assert domination. And to enforce subjugation to just show who's boss. We're going to come in here, we're going to tear your house apart.
And there's nothing you can do about it.
This is a wow. And I when I before I show this, this, it just puts yourself in there because it would we ever allow this to ourselves to someone. You have your family, your home, your dignity, you have safety in your house, you're the king of your cast. So the queen of your house, and now somebody's coming and just taking over and sleeping in your bed. Would we accept that as Americans? For ourselves? I hear you, I hear you and
let anybody say let's hope we never find out. And that question of would you accept up just tell you a little story about me growing up? You know, I heard so much about like, the Jews during the Holocaust.
Going like sheep like why did they just go? Why didn't they resist more? Why didn't they fight back? You know, but if you are faced with brutal, brutal people with weapons, and you have nothing and you're barefoot in your pajamas, are you going to fight back? I heard you Eddie right now you just said like, oh, who would accept this? Like you don't have a choice? It's not you don't you don't like nobody's asking whether you accept it? Yeah, right. 20 guys with guns, bash down your door and barge into your house.
You don't have a choice.
The name I'm thinking of right now, I've just I'm not going to use her name because she's actually
still there. But when Israel built the wall, the famous was is a woman who lives in Bethlehem from a fairly prosperous family.
She and her husband and children lived in a house and they still live in this house on one side of the main street and went between Bethlehem and Jerusalem. Right across the street was her sister. And next to her sister was her brother. And when the Israelis built the wall that divides Palestine as it does. They built this wall
right in front of her house, right around the side of her house, right around the backside of her house. So that the other side of the wall was like on the side that is where Israel is. Then where she was isolated in her house is the part that's like the West Bank where the Palestinians are. She can't move out of her house except one way walk all along the wall. And when they did that, they also occupied her house they commandeered it might be a better word for it. They just they barged in, they took it over. They stayed there for weeks. And she has
she talked about like hanging laundry out on the line like from her balcony with the Israeli soldiers just sitting on the balcony, them watching over the wall, watching her neighbors you know ready to snipe them.
And that's gone on and on and on. And eventually the Israeli soldiers
left, but they're still stuck behind that wall and they can come back anytime?
Well, I would say honestly, I want to, I want to say nothing can stop them. But there is something that can stop them, then I think it actually is the American voters and American taxpayers, because all of this is supported by the American tax dollars, and American political support, then when the US finally gets ready to pull the plug, it's all going to go down the drain.
And this is important point that I don't think any person who has their humanity on would want their money going towards what is it about almost 4 billion yearly? That's the regular amounts. Do you know what Congress is considering right now? How much another 14 billion unconditioned.
And, you know, I, you know, you know, I'm in Canada, right? I live in Canada, that's where I am. Israel's
gross domestic product per capita is higher than Canada's Israel has like a higher level of economic activity per capita, then Canada does, and the US is giving that aid.
It's just like, I know, a lot of your audience is probably in the US, people in the US really have to get mobilized.
I just want to say like, two or three weeks ago,
there was a bill in the US Senate to provide $10 billion of unconditioned aid to Israel to like, you know, finance, all the weapons that they're using now that weren't included in the previous aid. And they bundled that bill together with aid to the Ukraine, and
50, Republicans voted against it. And that wouldn't have been enough to stop it. Except the one
person who joined them was Bernie Sanders.
So Bernie Sanders plus 50, Republicans voted against it. And that's what shut it down in the Senate. But now they're trying a different configuration of the bill, trying to get the money through again,
the reason I'm talking about that is to say that this stuff is determined by actual decisions made by real people who are elected by the American voters, and everyone who stays home and doesn't vote.
You're just turning it over to the other side. And I'm an American, I'm an American has been living in Canada for 28 years. I'm very active in US politics for this reason.
You know, I still vote I vote in Pennsylvania.
hour out, I just want to say, regardless of how bad the choices are between like worse and even more worse, we still are making a choice. We can, you know, voting for the lesser of two evils, is better than not voting at all, because then the worst evils going to kind of dominate. So again, just thinking, thinking about soldiers, barging into somebody's house, commandeering it sleeping in their bed, from that all the way into sending 2000 pound bombs, to destroy people's homes, and hospitals, all of that is enabled
by us voters not doing better. So I'm gonna say do better. I'm one of them. I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to us. We need to do better. And we can put an end to this.
And I'm with Rabbi, David here, and those things that you're hearing is someone live who is messaging him from Gaza, Palestine. And just a couple more questions. Have you had any success? How have been the conversations when you talk to other Jewish rabbis on the issue? Have you been able to help people get through the cognitive dissonance quicker with your experience? Has there been any success? Can you talk to us briefly on that? Well, one thing that says it's very polarized, right. And I you said earlier in this conversation, that we're really seeing people's true colors. People are kind of needing to get on one side or another of this divide, and it's very divisive.
So something we are seeing is, there are
rabbis who never before have spoken out or done anything to try to rein in
the abuses and the horrors that Israel
committing, who are now doing that. I wish there were more, I wish it would happen faster. But it is happening. I think there's people a bit like me, maybe 15 years ago, were just like the evidence piled up so much that I just could not continued like rationalizing and justifying and it kind of like the dam broke, you know, and I got kind of swept over to the other side. I think that's happening to more and more rabbis and all kinds of Jewish people. So I am, I am being contacted
every day by Jewish people who are they actually write to me, someone wrote to me yesterday said, I realized everything
that I believed was a lie. Somebody walked up to me. And now what do I do? This is from another Jewish person. Yes, there's lots of them, lots of them. Beautiful. I just want to actually say straight out out loud, like an organization I'm active with in the States is called Jewish Voice for Peace. And it's been around maybe 15 or 20 years, it had about 200,000 members. But more and more and more people are just coming out. And joining us, you probably see this you see lots and lots of Jewish people going into public spaces, like, you know, Grand Central Station or bridges and really demonstrating our not in our name, not in our name, right. I thought about wearing my not in our
name t shirt today, but I didn't wear it.
But my you asked like you, you know, what you asked me was? Am I having some success and changing people's minds? And I have to say I don't I don't see that directly. And it's the kind of thing where I think it's,
well, I'm just I'm not in that conversation with specific individuals. But many, many, many people are seeing what's going on. And it's finally adding up to them, that they cannot support it. They cannot go on, like with their acquiescence to just let it be so many, many, many Jewish people are feeling honestly, that like pangs of conscience based on all the teachings of Judaism, about pursuing justice, pursuing peace, about every person is an image of God. When we say we're created in the image of God, we are an image of God. And anyone being abused or hurt, is abusing and hurting god, this is in our teachings. So more and more and more people are putting two and two together and
what's actually happening right now it's such a violation. And I cannot stand idly by, I need to engage. And it's very painful to
see that the communities, synagogues that we are a part of and that we identify with or are
on such the wrong side. You know, and it's forcing people don't make a choice. It's very difficult. I mean, I'm not looking for sympathy, right? Because other people are getting bombed and don't have anything to eat. I'm not saying feel bad for people facing this difficult choice. But it is difficult and more and more people are making that choice. It's
I don't think things are ever going to go back to the way they were.
As we wrap up now, I just have a couple more questions as we're almost out of time. We covered a lot we dispel this myth this lie that this has been something that Muslims it's a Muslim versus Jew things Muslims and Jews lived in relative peace for over 1000 years. We discussed
the situation the Nakba, 1948, the over almost 800,000 people that were driven out their homes so people can look more into this. You mentioned human shields. I've also had a Dr. Norman Finkelstein, another Jewish academic professor, and he addressed this you mentioned how when the videos showing the soldiers going into the house, and then you gave it also example of the human shield. And it's interesting that Amnesty International as Dorton, Dr. Norman Finkelstein and other human rights, human rights organizations, they say it's actually flipped the other way around. Like you just said that they're using the Palestinians as human shields, but this is a common argument. So my next
question is, how do you address this and then we can go ahead and conclude is that prior after 2006 they pulled out they could have made this a beautiful resort and it could have been a paradise on earth. And you get this you
hear this a lot, right? This is another one of the talking points that there was no occupied, there is an occupation they pulled out in 2005 2006. No. How would you address that? No. What do you mean specifically, is it Israel withdrew its military and the settlers from Gaza, when you say they pulled out in 2006, you're saying they pulled out from Gaza?
Yeah. So you know, there's an Israeli professor who said that that is very analogous to the guards at a jail.
Basically going home at night, right? They have the keys, the prisoners are on the inside. They have the keys, but they left the jail, they all went home, but they left the prisoners on the inside. And the guards control how much food goes in? What can come out, when anybody can come out if someone is sick, they have cancer, or they have kidney disease or god knows whatever is going on, would you let that prisoner out to go to a hospital? Or do they just have to stay in there and die? Right, so to say that Israel withdrew from Gaza. It's just another kind of sleight of hand. It's not true. They turn Gaza into basically a huge concentration camp. And not only that, but Israel constantly
surveillance with drones. Constantly. Israel knows where everyone is in Gaza. That's why they're able to kill the doctors, the heads of hospitals, the presidents of universities, over 100 journalists, they know where everyone is.
And why they never they didn't really withdraw. They control the land borders. Egypt is subservient to Israel, there's one little part of Gaza that borders on on Egypt and is Egypt serves Israel's interests. Egypt is bribed to do that by $3 billion in US foreign aid every year, second only to Israel. Right as your controls the sea, the air, the land controls the water supply, as we see electric supply. And Israel has kept Gaza very explicitly. They say this basically on the slightly above starvation diet up until 10 weeks ago, when they just shut that off.
So it's not true to say that Israel withdrew.
Well, this is people are getting a totally different perspective. What is it currently now the amount of civilians that have what is the number that have been killed? And also including in that, is that journalist UN workers? Sure. Do you know the numbers? Well, it's something like 23,000, were up to 23,000 want to say 23,000 people identified as dead. I know.
Pacific families whose loved ones are under the rubble. In other words, that's that's not counted in there. So it's, it could be people know, they were in their house when their house was hit by a muscle. They got out so those are they got out those bodies of their children, but they have other children that they can't even get them out. So yes, so those are not included. We got people. We don't even know what's going on with that. They're still under the rug, whatever that number is. Edie it's going up today. went up last night. These women, these women who I told you I'm hearing from Mufasa camp, there was over 100 people killed in Mahasi camp yesterday.
And this one woman, I said her name is Iman, she stayed in her house, you know they were all told to leave and go to the south. So the other woman, the Mesa with two children.
She left and went to the south and there's nowhere to go. She didn't have anywhere to go there. You know, and
the man said they're not leaving because nowhere is safe. It doesn't make sense to leave. She has been in her house for something like six weeks with with no windows, no doors, holes in the roof, no water, nothing to cook on. Nothing to cook, but they didn't leave their house. And Mesa left her house. She went first on Eunice and then she went from 100 units to Rafa and she was basically staying in a tent and then the day before yesterday she went back to Mahasi because
like a monster nowhere is safe. It wasn't helping her to be in Rafa.
And then each of them they actually don't know each other. They live very near each other but they don't know each other I'm just saying. So last night while I was sleeping mom wrote to me and she said that now they're getting these leaflets telling them they need to leave my house because my house is going to be flattened
and she has nowhere to go. And then about two hours after that.
I woke up and I wrote to Mesa Mesa, how are you doing? You know what's going on? And she wrote back to me, she said the exact same thing that they have been
forced out of like the ruins of the refugee camp to she lived in her whole life. With nowhere to go, she has two little kids.
And her house was her house was so damaged two years ago, there was hit in the middle of the night. She actually grabbed her two kids in a mattress and ran out in the street and slept in the street, and then couldn't go back.
And I did fundraising. Oh, yeah, I'll say it. You can edit this out of the few ones that
gave money that helped this young woman Mesa rebuilt her house, Kyrie Irving, Kyrie Irving.
She rebuilt her house and move back in about the third week of September.
And two weeks later, this happened in her house is gone.
Her house is gone. She has nowhere she went, she went back to Mikaze. But there's no house there for her to be in. And as of this morning, she left and she wrote to me I could I could I could pull up the clips that I get from her. I mean, you can see this on my Facebook Messenger.
He's been very outspoken also, Kyrie Irving regarding this as any, you know, I'm not gonna lie to you guys. A lot of stuff is going on in this world. And basketball, it's just not the most important thing to me right now. There's a lot of stuff going overseas, all my people are still in bondage. It's sad to see this show going on.
And it's not just in Palestine, it's not just in Israel discriminated against, based on their religion, color their skin, what they believe in, it's just, it's just that he's really been somebody who is many are scared of getting canceled, and, you know, to speak up more concerned about their careers rather than humanity. But Kyrie has really been stand up on
say, for literally put his money where his mouth is, stand up human being Yeah, she's put his money where his mouth is. And the money is, it's a way to concretize your wishes. And you know, you want something you want, you want this young woman and Gaza to have a house, you want that you can make that happen if if you have the Ways and Means, you know, so anyway, I'm just, I want a more talk about them and what's going on there. So they have right now. I mean, when I finish talking with you, I'm gonna go back and try to reconnect with them. And I don't know if I'll be able to.
Let's close off with this. I know I'm not going to speak for Canadians, but I know as an American here that we would never never ever agree with if a school shooter came into an auditorium, a elementary High School, and he took over that we would say it would be acceptable just to blow up the entire school. Unacceptable hub on Canada. Yeah, I think Canadians have that attitude. Yeah, no, seriously, you know, but at the same time, Canada's government is just lockstep with Israel. Right? You said Canadians Canadians have a certain way of seeing things. But our Canadian government is.
It's not, it's not helping.
I want to say God bless you, the Rabbi David, God bless you. Well, thank you. God bless you, too. And,
you know, clearly there's,
there's more going on in this world than what we know. And certainly much more than what we can control. You know, and we each need to do our piece of what we can do, and have faith and know there's something bigger going on here. It's not just us. Right? We have to do our part.
You know, but there's something greater going on and really, really God willing, that will kick in. Yeah. And that's an insurance. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you very, very much. I have no doubt that moving lucky talent will be a successful project in sha Allah. I've had the blessing of knowing brother Eddie since he started the deen show, and he's one of the most sincere and most dedicated people to the data that I have ever met. So please do support. The Deen center does that Kamala who hate on
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