Shadee Elmasry – The Pandemic Discussion Part 1
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So Mr. Equal.
Welcome to the Safina society podcast. How are you guys doing?
So this is our first virtual podcast. So we're doing it online.
So you guys might hear the the differences in audio here.
So I think the topic that we're going to talk about today is
really starting off on what it's like to be in a more virtual sort
of world. And
I think the the first thing I've noticed is, is it's hard to meet
up with people now. I mean, it's only been like four or five days.
And I feel like I have cabin fever already.
Well, I'll begin with that idea of being on the computer all day. For
me, it hasn't been an issue, I think for a lot of adults is not
an issue. But for some kids that it's new to, it's pretty, it's not
nice to see someone who's never been on the computer all day to
always being on the computer all day.
It's something that is not necessary. But for me, I think
it's
I guess it's been a little bit easier. The if it's prolongs, then
I think the lack of physical meeting is not going to be good
for personal social reasons. But it's it's been fine. A lot of
people relying upon, you know, technology that we've already been
using. And I think homeschoolers are already ahead of the curve,
too, because they've already been doing this stuff, you know? So
we're all homeschoolers. Now, I guess, if you're, I mean, none of
you are. But there's some something a lot of listeners are
probably dealing with right now. I think the biggest benefit, and I'm
sure I'm going to try to stay as as positive as I can, since I am
fairly negative about this whole situation. But
I think the biggest positive I've seen is, is the this has sort of
been a catalyst to make a lot of things go remote. Yeah, I think
that the podcast is a great example. I mean, we've been trying
to do this for a number of months, almost like years at this point,
never gone and done a virtual episode. So I think it'll, it's
made a lot of things a little bit easier. I think even things like
government forums and things like that, once this blows over may be
we might be living in a more virtual world. And I'm curious to
see how we can turn this into a positive thing, right? I know,
people are very against like, being virtual all the time. But
maybe there's some benefit in this right? Maybe they're you cut down
on community, you cut down on a lot of other things.
Well, I spend a lot of time you spend a lot more time with the
people in your house, if you have people in your house, I think it's
a big problem, though, for people who are lonely, who are alone in
the house. So it's a big problem for people who maybe not even get
along with the people that they live with, right? Or are limited
with the people that they live with. So it's going to be a you
know, back and forth, it's going to be beneficial for taking down
commute time. And spending time with people that you live with.
But it's negative for the people.
It's negative for people who don't have, what is the feedback? You
hear the feedback? So clicking? No, no, no, it was like an echo.
I think it's gone. Alright, let me try. So it'll be a positive for
people who commute, take out the commute time and all that and
spend time with the people in your house. But it's a negative if you
don't have anyone in your house. And a lot of people don't have
people in their house. So they have to be taken into
consideration. Not every Muslim household is some kind of big
happy family. And sometimes worse, you have people in your house that
you can't stance, right?
Virtual is really bad unless you have an excuse to lock yourself up
in your room and say I'm being virtual. Yeah. And I think there's
also I mean, maybe we're getting to on the negative side of things
here. But there's also a lot of people that can't work from home.
Right, like just because of the nature of their jobs. So
obviously, if you work in an office, if you work in an
environment where you can just log in on a laptop and do your work
from anywhere that makes sense. But there's a lot of things that I
think like keep society going a lot of jobs that that can't be
remote now, like we wouldn't be able to be remote if like our
trash wasn't being picked up and stuff. So well. Here's a question
for you. In any office building, in any school in anything, how
many people are employed in non content functions?
A lot. A lot. I mean, I would say like a good 10% Probably. So your
maintenance, your grounds crew, you're all that stuff.
A lot of people also forget that. Just because people work in tech,
doesn't mean they all work.
I can work remotely Oh, there's a lot of people who maintain cloud
servers and maintain the infrastructure of all these
things.
I mean, I work for a large telecom agency. And I know if there's, we
have so many employees that go out there to fix people's internet and
fix people's things. Like if they couldn't get out there, you
wouldn't even have internet. Right? So it's, it's, it's like a
blue collar zone. Think about? It's yeah, it's all blue collar,
right? Well, we're gonna suffer what I do. Everything is person to
person.
I still work in an environment and in a type of industry where you
actually need a wet signature on a document for it to be valid.
Are you in?
Today was my last day in the office? So as of as of tonight, I
start working from home Skyping with the with people? Yeah, we're
using Zoom actually. Oh, the whole world using Zoom? I mean, I'm
surprised. It hasn't. What zoom was always the best aerial
platform for the last like few years now. Just people weren't
using it. I mean, why the Chinese right? Don't even start.
Listen,
listen, why didn't you guys say anything about doing a virtual
podcast a long time ago, when?
Five hours me and Alex five hours commute to South Jersey and
getting passports and visas go to South Jersey? suggested it
never explored it. I've been suggesting it for years.
I think we all we all had concerns about audio quality. This way?
Well, well, that's why all the people like me and sad needs to
stop coughing tickets. Are you sick? This a third time? off man?
Virtually around me? Exactly. It doesn't come through the screen.
Listen, well, I mean, there's a video that was going around the
other day about the ritual reality of the internet, right. And not to
make fun of the shake or anything. But the theory was quite wild. And
the theory was that it was in fact that the electricity is the moat,
the concert is a gin. Gin is electricity. And that it's gin
that is moving stuff from the servers to you to your screen. And
it's the world of gin. So
this is a rehash. This is a rehash from one of the early Egyptian
modernist salaries. Really? Yeah, I don't know if it was Afghani or
one of the other guys. He said, what it was like electrical
impulses. Yeah. So this Schiff said, General electrical impulses.
And I mean, it looks like a very pious shift. But the theory is
just a little bit out there. He says that the their electrical
impulses. And by getting us the world online, the more time you
spend online, he sucks your energy out, right? And you're feeding the
world of jinn by being online. And, and that, in fact, through
the cable wires, and through the silicon chips, the silicon chips
are their homes and their cable wires or their highways and
pathways for travel. Right. So I mean, wouldn't that be the case
for electricity overall? That's good. So much. So and where did
they come for the silicon chips? Exactly? That's my same question.
Like the are you saying that Gen didn't exist before the discovery
of electricity? Good question. And what happens when I am typing
something about the Quran or something? Why wouldn't they be
against that? I mean, why would they go and retrieve that? I mean,
if there are Muslim Jen,
who is it has them being on there to
Rhonda calm is run by Muslim Jen.
Come on. That's yeah. So So while he's he said, furthermore, that
code is Jin languages.
That might be true. Yeah, that might be true. So well, if you
took on a theory like that, then maybe the virus might end up in
the mp4. Right, then it might end up coming out of the speakers of
the listeners, right? I mean, if we keep going down that route, but
I'm gonna We're not. So next up.
I think you know, what's interesting, too, is this is only
like, the third or fourth day like I was saying, you don't have cabin
fever. What, what really worries me and troubles me is how do we
deal with this in at a longer scale? And I know there's people
at my work that are like, Oh, we're going to be wrapped up in
two weeks and be back to work. And I'm like, I don't know. I don't
know how to break it to them. Like we're not getting back to work two
weeks
out right now.
And so how do we deal with a semi permanent situation?
You know, because this I don't think it's gonna get wrapped up
for, you know, four to six months, at least this virtual sort of
world
Use anyone have anything else to say before I put in my two cents?
Go ahead.
Well, I think you just create a new routine, right? I mean, this
is not going to be anywhere near the hardship of jail, and they
create a new routine. And I think the new routine should be sort of
evolved.
I mean, comparing it to jail, I mean, just think about them, they
create your routines. They're like, physically fit some of these
guys. These guys look great. And they're eating trash. They're well
read. They're well read a lot of these guys do great. And I met a
guy Subhanallah at the homeless run the other day. He came in and
he said, Hey, you guys are Muslim? And we said, yeah, and he said,
any old Villa even a ship on regime and he's broke out without
the buses. Right? exact copy of Abdelbaset. So I said, Where did
you learn that? He said, there was an inmate in the jail, who would
play a tape he was the only Muslim his well behaved is good behavior
allowed them to give him a cassette tape, like one of those
little cassettes with a tape player, and the speaker on the
side of the cassette tape, and he would play that. Okay, and it
would play the whole night, 45 minutes side, and everyone would
fall asleep to the eventually, the whole jails the whole, you know,
group of people in the jail, we're all listening and would fall
asleep to that, right. And he persisted. And he's only allowed
one tape. So he kept playing the same tape. Right? One day, so I
had a one day so I'd be okay, one night, sideways at one at night,
I'd be and until he the guy memorized the side, right? He
memorized, and he was able to recite it, he didn't even know
what he was reciting wasn't a Muslim.
But he said, when that guy left, I couldn't sleep anymore, none of us
could sleep anymore. So that guy was bringing that into the jail by
day in, day out, right. And so they were falling asleep to that,
and benefiting from that. So if we just, you know, think about them,
they have routines, and we got a million times better our situation
is, so it's about, it's about having a sleep cycle. That makes
sense, that's good. It's about getting physical exercise so that
you can get tired, even if that means a long walk. Like my
preferred physical exercise, believe it or not, is a really
long walk. Okay? Whether or not it's outdoors or on a machine, it
doesn't make a difference to me, I really like to have a nice fast
paced walk, but a long one, right, so that you know, the type of walk
where you're actually sweaty and tired at the end of it, but you
had 10 minutes.
But but one that doesn't kill your knees over years. And if you do
something more intensive, good for you. But then the other one is
cleaning up. Right? Cleaning up because when you stay home all
day, the place gets dirty, right? So so getting clean, getting
clean, getting tired, having a wake asleep cycle, that's good.
And then lastly, changing your clothes, changing your clothes,
like getting dressed in the morning. Wayne's dressed, I don't
know, did you go to work when you said you work from home. So I
mean, I, when I started my career, I worked almost exclusively from
home.
And I remember the first like four months were just horrible. And
then like you're saying in terms of a routine, there's just certain
things I do the one of the most important is getting dressed in
the morning. I think that's extremely important.
Whether you're working from home or not, I think it's extremely
important to get dressed in the morning because it puts you in a
state of, you know, I'm changing. I'm going from this, you know,
mode of waking up and having breakfast and then now I'm
actually going to work now, and that that's helped a lot. That's a
big deal. Yeah, changing your clothes is a big deal. Yeah, and
it's not just the top right. Pants on like, Get Get ready, ready. And
I think that makes a huge deal. I actually put my shoes on, believe
it or not, a lot of a lot of Muslims don't wear their shoes in
the house, but I I clean my shoes. So you know, I like it as long as
it's not a carpeted area, actually, you know, find that
also. I mean, in the morning, it's the forest cold anyway, so I
actually put everything on and it changes everything changes your
whole mindset about things. I think one thing
for people who can't work from home, it is definitely you know, a
different conversation. But one thing I found is I know a lot of
shoe scholars and Muslims online or we should are saying you know,
we should use this opportunity for halwa and, and, and meditation and
vicar. Here's one thing that I have a question about my day. It's
not like I've actually gained anytime in the day besides my
commute of like one hour or so. Right? One hour, one hour, let's
say an hour and a half or so of commute time. I still
have to work the whole day, right? It's not like you know
I now have this time of seclusion. If anything, now these people are
pinging me, like, you know, Midnight asking me for stuff.
Because it's like, Oh, you're home. You're just chilling anyway.
Yeah, it's I think it's not like we have all of this extra time now
it's, I don't know, what do you guys think? Yeah, I feel that we
don't have so much I don't have so much extra time. But at the same
time, I don't have the same level of hassle. And, and, and you know,
there's an annoying part of your day, and you come home and you're
tired, you know, just, that's eliminated. Right? That's been
eliminated. One thing we don't have is we haven't had to hit the
first weekend yet. But that's what I'm looking forward to. Right. A
weekend of no parties, no dinners, no birthdays. I mean, I hate those
things. Anyway, so this is great.
Like, I don't have to go do all these things. I can actually sit
and read a book.
Sometimes a weekend with all those means and fancy has and Nikka. And
all that. I mean, you wouldn't even go to funerals, if someone
dies, right? So all that can make the weekend more tiring than the
week. Right. And your cheeks. Your cheeks are so tired, because you
have to smile to all these people. Right?
I come home and I don't want to talk right? I just I don't want to
smile. I don't want to talk because I've been smiling to
people all day. But
it's gonna be nice. And I was thinking the other day, could you
imagine if your shift told you? Listen, no more sports. No more
weddings, no more, go and hang out with your friends. No more of any
of this, right? I do balay immediately you would do?
You'd be like, Man, this is too strict. This is too much. I can't
do this. Right. But here we are. We have it on by force. Right? So
it's, it's compulsory now. So you might as well make use of your
time, I saw a meme that said when your daily life is classified as
quarantine, the dude whose faces is the same before and after?
What about people quarantines in an apartment? I mean, the thing is
that you can still take a walk, what are we talking about? Right?
This is the dead of this is not the dead of winter. It's not like
there's no oxygen outside? Yeah, you can still take a walk. So I
mean, people don't.
So let me change the subject a little bit. If I if I may, that
I'm hearing two opposite messages from people. Right? And I don't
know who to believe.
Or other guys, just listen to us. Unless I'm hearing from physicians
on both sides that this is it. This is the big one. The biggest
calamity of our generation. That's number one. I'm hearing from
others who are laughing. They're laughing and there are the others.
Physicians, er physicians and stuff who are saying that this is
only affects people who are would have already died from the flu if
they got immunocompromised, blah, blah, blah. If your children are
basically not dying from this, if you're under 40, you're good to go
unless you have some major. So I gotta be honest, I don't know who
to believe that's why I haven't commented on anything about the
severity of the crisis. And I mean, so Maureen. So my question
is, when is what is giving you this certainty or there's the zeal
to believe that this is the big one? All right, so a few things I
have to give, like 99% of the credit to solid so told me about
you got me I had to I had to convert more into this line of
thinking, okay.
I mean, I was a I'm calling them flu bros. Right? We're still
calling this thing flu. I was a flu bro back in January. But I was
very quickly converted by sounds. So there's a few things that I
want to talk about here. Alright, so here I pulled up a tweet from
the World Health Organization.
The World Health Organization was a joke to who.
So I pulled up a tweet from the who they said on January 14.
Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese
authorities have found no clear evidence of human to human
transmission of the novel Coronavirus. This is the hook.
Okay. So a couple of things. I think even Saad and I that were on
random discords and Reddit threads and on these accounts, we knew
that there was already confirmed human to human transmission and
transmission. We knew a lot of things that a lot of people just
weren't reading up on. And and it's not that you know, where are
the people who are keeping up to this keeping up with this or any
smarter than these doctors or anything like that? I would say
it's akin to you know, Nazmul knowing way too much Aki, the in
philosophy more than some scholars, right. It's just the
She has a lot of time on his hands. And I think the truth of
the matter is, yes, there are virologists, there's
epidemiologists, there's scientists. But that doesn't mean
that they're keeping up with this thing. And following the news,
they're not making sure that the evidence and information that are
gearing getting his accurate take the who, if the who is telling
people that there's no human to human transmission in January 14,
then obviously, people are going to be like, Oh, maybe there's not
like, I'm not smarter than the who? It's an appeal to authority,
right? We constantly just say, Oh, I'm not an epidemiologist. I'm not
a scholar, like, how would I know? Right, but I think it's extremely
important for people to do their own research as well, because
people lie. People have other agendas. I mean, this guy running
the who Dr. Tedros. He, I mean, Assad can comment on it. But he, I
mean, he was charged for, you know, other things like Kenya, he
was covering up cholera outbreaks in his home country. Yeah. So how
can I trust this source of information? Right, and we know,
like, even in the Islamic tradition, when you have most of
what is multilotto Hadith, right, which is you have so many
different reports and so many different claims, saying the same
thing that it can't possibly be wrong. You're telling me that, you
know, so many reports came from China, that they're hiding the
numbers, they're lying about the numbers? And we're here saying,
Oh, don't worry, China's numbers are perfectly accurate. We can
believe this. How can I believe that? It just doesn't make any
sense. And so here's a few facts. I'm gonna lay out and, and I'm not
a virologist, I'm not an epidemiologist. I'm not a
scientist. I'm not a doctor. I'm just a random guy. But I don't
think it takes anything more than common sense to know some of these
certain some of these things. One, it's definitely not the flu
because of a few things mortality rate, and the way that it spreads.
The flu is not spread airborne, right? When you'd have to touch a
surface that somebody sneezed or coughed on. The flu doesn't do
that. Another thing is the flu doesn't spread asymptomatically
Meaning I could be, I could have cold, I could, you know, have
COVID Right now, and have no idea that I have it, and I could go to
someone's house and spread it. And then that personal gets sick. The
flu absolutely doesn't do that.
In addition, the flu doesn't do other things such as
there were reports that even people who were in the same
apartment building through the ventilation someone in the other
bit other other apartment was getting sick. I mean, it's this
report is not out there. That means it's airborne. Yeah, it's
airborne. And then a few other things is there was a mention of
Saito keen storms, right? Where people who were young, who,
because they were young and had healthy immune systems, it's
almost similar to like a, what he called a histamine attack. Right.
What do you call that? That's it. Like, allergies. Yeah, like in
that what does that called?
immune response? Yeah. And immune or, like an immune response.
Right, in which you know your body? That's what histamines. It
kicks into overdrive. Yeah. Antihistamines. Right. So what
happens is, the cytokine storms, they kick into overdrive for only
young people and people with like, good immunity. And these guys end
up collapsing and dying on the spot. Yeah. And this was reported
in Iran and Italy, it happened in China. But this is nowhere in the
news. It's nowhere anywhere, right? It'll get there. I mean, in
two weeks, we'll find out and then people will freak out. The young
people who are getting this and then recovering it they have lung
damage. The there's reports about
kidney, heart tissue, reproductive damage, reproductive potential for
young people, right? Anybody below the age of 40. Now, that's
literally only the health problems, right, like, like actual
health and bodily problems. Let's now take into consideration the
the healthcare impacts and the societal impacts of what this
could do. If you have a hospital
that has X number of ICU beds in the US, there's approximately
110,000 ICU beds. Now a regular hospital bed isn't the same as an
ICU bed. Right? There. It requires special access, special care,
there's different equipment, all of those things. There's about
110,000 of them. Now they're saying that approximately 20 p 20%
of people that contract this disease will be in a situation in
which they'll need an ICU bed. Now that number might be a little bit
lower. If you're looking at Italy's numbers, it's wavering
around like 10 to 15%
then made an ICU bed, that 110,000
isn't just for COVID, right? People are using those ICU beds
now. So they're probably around 50 to 60% capacity already, some
people claim that they're already full, right? There's there's not
very, very much capacity at all. So you use up those ICU beds,
let's say you double the capacity overnight, which is not going to
happen. But you double the capacity overnight, you have
200,000 ICU beds, that's nothing, right. If if if you have
a million people getting sick, or 500,000 people getting sick, then
then you're going to run out of those ICU beds very, very, very
quickly. In addition, as you shut down the economy, you shut down
businesses, you shut down all these other things, you're going
to impact all of these other areas, right? And people let's say
you got let's say you had to have a selective surgery, a lot of
hospitals are already stopping selective surgery. So you wanted
to get a surgery, you're not able to get get it because there's
COVID patients taking the bed that you need. And that's this is only
the start. Well, that's those are secondary consequences. Right. And
then so now we're just talking about secondary and then and then
I can keep going on and on and on. But just how far I've gotten in
the conversation already. It's very clear, this is not the flu.
Great.
Even take something I mean, this is huge. Omar getting canceled,
how much of an impact does it have on the the economy of of, of Saudi
Arabia overall? Enormous, right, all of the hedge companies and
almond oil companies all across the world are getting impacted
about potential hedge cancellations. And that's and
that's right. And, and looking at the timeline of this thing, right?
How just what, three, four months?
It's very likely that HUD will change it, whether it's can
suspend it or not, I don't know. But maybe they might limit it to
only certain countries, maybe there's a much longer process. But
the the it's going to be impacted. I think it's pretty clear at this
point. All right. Question for you. Have you studied and looked
into the effects of other the plagues of past centuries, because
there have been plagues in each of the past centuries, even if not
like plague, but infectious diseases that spread around that
there was no cure for that spread around really quickly, such as the
Spanish flu, such as cholera, such as what was the before that? I
can't remember. But one of the interesting, the actual black
plague was way before that, yeah. But one of the interesting things
that, that someone could make do a study of is that these sicknesses
cause such a disruption. And then you can know that there tends to
be a major war.
In the decade following that plague, almost like textbook, it's
amazing, actually, if you, if you align them up, it'd be really
interesting to see if the sickness or if the plague that went around,
altered the way, you know, the the power structures of the world.
Yeah, ended up in a domino effect. Of course they do. The these
things tend to leave a lasting impression on the world that kind
of shift its trajectory a little bit. Yeah. So that usually means
like, social upheaval, political upheaval, which are the lot of the
conditions for why warfare starts in the first place. So you know,
that wouldn't surprise me at all. Yeah. I mean, I haven't studied it
in depth, right. Just over the past few months, we've been
looking at this stuff. However, like, I think there, the world is
very, very different than what it used to be. I think we this is a
fact I'm unpacking. If I could just speak about my village in
India, because I've been there and I know how it works. If 50 years
ago, you could have just put somebody at the front gate closed
off the village, and it was self sufficient. You had farms and
everything, and nobody was coming in and nobody was going on. You
can spend decades in there and nothing would happen. Yeah. Right.
So that type of world almost doesn't exist, except for in
certain areas. Right. Yeah. Maybe like in the middle of Jordan
somewhere. You could do that. But I mean, when it comes to Western
nations, that doesn't exist. We have
just in time supply chains, right. So we don't even have all right.
All right. Yeah.
All right. All right. Can Can I bring up a topic here? Yeah,
pretty interesting. All right. Let's go back into the history
here. All right.
Corona so far as of March 18, as the death toll is around, let's
say 9000 As an estimate, is that just is that a number that you?
That's that sounds sounds about right. All right. The last play
that was
we've had too bad too bad things that went on.
Everything good? Yeah. Okay, so the Spanish Flu
Oh 1920 Exactly 100 years ago, the Spanish flu was worldwide. Okay.
And that killed 100 million people. Okay. 100 million people
died. Estimate. Okay.
We go back
eight teen, let's see when, in the in, believe it or not in the 19th
century, there wasn't a maybe the record keeping wasn't as good. But
there were a million people in 1890 worldwide flu pandemic
influenza. And then a million people in color diet and in from
in Russia from cholera. Okay. But nothing massive worldwide in the
19th century. Let's go back to the
18th century 18th century again, record keeping, we don't know
what's going on in terms of that. But Persia, they had a Persian
plague 2 million people
died of that. Okay, moving back even further.
30 to 90% of the population
of England died. Sorry, if southern England right died in the
New England epidemic, southern New England I'm sorry, southern New
England died of an epidemic. We don't know what that what the
population of that was in the first in the first place. These
are Native Americans.
So the Spanish flu so far, maybe because of rep record keeping has
the lead in deaths. Alright, until you now you finally go to plague
of Justinian. That's the the Black Plague. And that's where that's
the massive one 40% of the population of the middle of the
Mediterranean countries in Europe. So that's unknown, how many 25 to
50 million people. Okay, so the Spanish Flu ranks is number two,
okay.
And we said those other plates, a million from the cholera pandemic,
a million from a flute, the influenza in 1890. And then
100 100 million again, we said Spanish flu, a million from the
Hong Kong flu, which is influenza eight, all right, h three and two,
and then 32 million
from AIDS worldwide, which there they say commenced in the Congo
Basin, or they're blaming it on the Congo, easy out for people who
can't defend themselves.
But, you know, looking at that in comparison, I mean, Corona has got
to do a lot, you know, to be listed with those giants. Corona
still has quite a way to go. I mean, I, well, here's where I
think that type of thinking is flawed. I see a lot of straight up
statistics. I mean, Corona, it's been what? Alright, if it lasts a
year, one year, at this rate, what are the numbers is going to be?
Even if the numbers are 10? Right. 10 people died. Let me tell you
why this is a big deal. One is, because I think I see a lot of
people just comparing numbers. Right now. Look, I'll be frank,
people dying from hunger is going to be more than the people dying
from Corona. Yeah, but you can't catch hunger if someone sneezes on
you. That's why those analogies are, are not, you know, also,
they're more dramatic than anything else. But that's so
good. Also, I mean, the only thing that I was going to say is that
this is a
right, those those previous pandemics and illnesses have have
probably, at this point in time have probably killed, you know,
way more people statistically, but a lot of like the records keeping
and the the numbers was done after the fact. So for like the Spanish
flu, which was the most recent one,
they didn't come to that estimate of like 100 million people dying
until very recently, like, it's in modern times that they were able
to accurately estimate that, hey, this probably killed 100 million
people. So a lot of these statistics are kind of hindsight
statistics. So, so even with Corona, right, we're at the
beginning of like, if you if you picture the entire, if you picture
the entire pandemic as like this parabolic kind of normal curve
that goes up and then tapers off. We're like at the very beginning
of that hump right before it's coming. And so we're not going to
know how much damage it does until it's done basically. Wait, so you
don't think that we're near the hump? Oh, no way.
No, actually, it's not even me. It's if you if you ask most
Uh, most of the researchers right now they'll tell you that we're
not even at the beginning of the hump. See, I mean, you're I don't
I don't You're, you're very confident in that. But it just,
I'm trying to figure out how do you present this as an argument? I
mean, 2009 2000, right. world you are. And you tell me why the
opposite is true. What's the opposite? That we're in the peak
of this? This is almost? No, I can't say that. I can't argue it
either way. Yes. So what I'm saying is that what I'm saying is
that as a scoreboard, if I'm looking because ultimately, what's
the big deal? Death is the big right. So that's the number one
I'm going to care about. Right? Yeah, the worldwide h one and one
flu pandemic that hit about 250,000 people died. And some
people estimate that it's up to 500,000 people died from each one
and one. Right, right. And I mean, not the life though. We don't have
people don't even know about it, right? I mean, yeah, if you ask
it, what's h one n one, they'll think it's like a type of visa.
Right? Yeah. But
500,000 people died in that flu, and it's a regular flu, the good
old flu, right? Of 2009. And life moved on. And so if you want to,
you can possibly make an argument of what in the world is a big
deal? Right? And I'm not saying that that's my argument. But you
can definitely make it happen. The squatter, the scoreboard, this is
not a big deal. So so a lot of people are obviously making that
argument. But I think it's almost similar to saying, like, let's say
World War Two had just started. We're in like, the first two
months of World War Two, right. And somebody came up to you and
said, Well, you know, what's the big deal with World War Two
business? I mean, World War One killed more people, right up until
that point in time? Correct. But World War Two wasn't over yet.
Right. So and they would later find it the deaths when He clipped
World War One by like a huge margin huge. Why tonight? Can I
answer that? Well, one of the things is that at least in in our
part of the world, in the northeast, there are precautions
being taken that would would, I would assume, would really temper
the growth and the spread of the virus. That's, I think that's what
I think that's a natural assumption that most people are
making.
But like, I know me and Moline have been like looking at this for
like, two months. And like, even the extreme kind of quarantine
measures that I mean, China's a, like a totalitarian state, like
they can do whatever they want, they could lock people in their
homes, they could, you know, stuff, people in jail cells, I
don't think we would we would ever see that kind of response in
America, although Alex might be like, you know, we might, of
course, we will give the government give, give give, give
the government a chance to prove themselves, just as bad as China.
But
I think that, even if we embarked on that level of extreme
quarantine, we're still this wave is still kind of coming. And even
even the data out of China, like out of Wuhan, like they went to an
extreme, like quarantine, and they were still hit pretty hard, like
their hospitals were overwhelmed. So I think it remains to be seen.
I mean, a lot of this stuff is speculative. So obviously, it's
like, you know, you don't anything could happen. But
it almost seems like being precautious. Like there's no
downside to being precautious. Right. Like there is wrong, huge
outbreak. Downside. You know, how many cash businesses are just
going belly up in by next week? Yeah, week after that. And then
when that when that happens, do you know where theft and robbery
is gonna go up to? Alright, let's do the raise hand thing. But Alex,
you think you were gonna say? No, I I agree with Dr. Shadi,
actually, and specifically, that's why I think it is a big deal.
Because I think that the whatever precautions we're taking,
whatever, whatever, whatever we're doing to try to stem the spread of
this.
Whether it's called for or not, it's going to happen. Right?
Right. So does it doesn't matter that this, maybe it's just like
another flu I suppose it is, right? It's just a another type of
flu. First, there's real impacts to that, because the flu also
exists. It's not like this is one this year, it's seasonal, really
bad. It's more like we have the seasonal flu pluses. And every
year we're gonna have this now because it's the new it's a new
pathogen, that's a new virus that's come into the population,
it's not going to go away, just like the flu doesn't go away, just
like the common cold doesn't go away.
That's a so the impact on the healthcare system is permanent. So
it's double the amount of even if it's just the flu, it's double the
amount of people that are going to be in hospital, double the amount
of people that are going to die, double the amount of people that
are going to need to double the amount of loss of productivity
Be if it's just regular flu, same kind of impact. Because of that,
we're now taking precautions to avoid the kind of stuff that we're
seeing in Italy in Iran. And that is destroying, destroying the
global economy. Right? We're interconnected in a way that we
weren't even in 2009. And where this hit first, is the supply
chain to the majority of the world. In a time where our
consumables, we're a consumer society that consumes disposable,
everything. I mean, like look at Google fast fashion, right? People
don't even wear stuff for six months anymore. You buy a shirt
for this season, by next season, it's out, you'll never wear it
next year, that gets tossed into the garbage or gets sent to a
country where they don't even want it either. And then it gets into a
landfill. And that just keeps, keeps happening keeps happening.
This is that's over. Also, we rely on China, for like 80 80% or 85%
of our antibiotics in China and India combined are like 95% of our
pharmaceutical production. That's gotta go for generics. So yeah, so
this kind of this kind of situation is going to completely
alter, not permanently, not just the way we interact with one
another, you know, social distancing, less handshaking, more
hygiene, those are going to impact the way our economy works. The
stock market is plummeting. We're cutting interest rates to zero, a
Republican President is proposing is proposing a UBI.
Wild, this is a completely wild situation. Now, whether it's an
overreaction or not is irrelevant, because that that reaction is
going to happen. Whether it's an under reaction, like more you
might think, or an overreaction, like some people think is
irrelevant. It's happening, actually catastrophic, no matter
how bad the disease actually turns out to be. Yeah. So your summary
is that you have to there has to be a reaction, right? Yeah. Just
the fact the way they're talking about it. And
you know, and they talk about it, once they start using the word
outbreak and things like that, or they're using war terminology.
Now, actually, the President today, today, Trump set called
himself a wartime president. At one time, Cuomo has been saying,
Hey, we're enacting like, a war against like they're treating it
like, like, this is like all units mobilized type of thing. And I
think I want to comment a couple of things. One is I don't think
this is an under reaction here. Here's my thing. I think we had a
severe under reaction a month and a half ago. At this point, I think
it's all moot. Right, we passed the point where we could have
contained this and stop this. I think Like Alex said, it's now
there's going to be ramifications of this right?
A few things that I want to comment on about like the death
rate. Now, like I said, even if it's 10, or if it's 10 million, I
think it does make a difference. And it is a big deal. Because over
the last 100 years, right? In Western nations, at least,
especially in America, we have never faced anything that has sort
of changed our lifestyle after the Great Depression, for example,
not at a drastic way, the way that this is all of a sudden, and I
think the last 20 years, we have lived in a period of extreme
indulgence. And I think if you told people tomorrow that they're
Amazon Prime delivery, deliveries are no longer coming. That's a big
problem. The world has collapsed first. That's worse than Corona.
That is worse than Corona, right? You told me that. And that's going
to be a big bigger deal than Corona. Like if you told me
tomorrow, the internet will no longer exist. Nobody's gonna die,
the internet's just not around anymore, then then half the
population is dying real. Yeah. All right. So this is where, you
know, you have to realize that our world today is created in such an
interconnected fashion, fragile. It's so fragile. It's even if I
told you, Hey, listen, this virus is going to kill nobody. It's just
going to take out the internet, you'll be like, we need to stop
this thing as soon as possible. Because there's too many impacts
of what this thing could actually do. All we did was take out China,
not even right, China, just the supply chain stopped. What
happened all of a sudden, now, we can't even get anything in
hospitals right now. I mean, and now the supply chain problems
haven't started yet. They're gonna start in March. We still had
enough stock on hand to be able to run us through March. Now just as
distinct starts to ramp up. The some hospitals are claiming they
don't have masks. Like it's not even like something crazy like a
ventilator. They don't have masks, some hospital
was sewing cloth they bought like sewing machines and their sewing
cloths in the hospital to put it on, put on the n95 masks, so they
could use them multiple times throughout the day, which is
already dangerous. Right? So we're talking about like, we're not
talking like high level dosages of medicine, what are people going to
do when they run out of their Xanax?
Like, I laugh but this is this is why it's a big deal. It's not if
we if I told you that I kicked you back 50 years into the past but
nobody died then that's a huge deal. Right? Like hey, like in in
the one that Spanish who happened in 1918 there was no internet
there weren't like cute there were supply chains obviously but they
weren't connected in the way they are today. Right? And so even
things like at the hospital yeah we have great health care and
medicine we don't have
people don't have money to pay the hospital bills Did you know
ambulance companies in the US are privatized so the moment like you
know these guys start getting sick they're gonna stop coming that's
true.
Yeah, so let what
is the what was the bad part
No, but but but it all honestly Right? Like I think the the the
fact that we're calling it a reaction at all is kind of already
proof of what's going on right? Like everything that we do is
going to be a reaction and it's just going to try to lessen the
impact but it's not gonna be able to avoid it right it is a reaction
it's not it's not like we were anybody prepared for this they're
reacting to it so it's just gonna be like a you know, your your fire
started and you're you've got a bucket of water and you start like
pouring around the fire to try to put it out. It's a self fulfilling
prophecy. Actually, I have a question. If Alright, so ours is
pretty bad, right? You know about SARS. Right. We've already
surpassed the death toll for SARS. By the way, okay, now listen to
this SARS is a big, this is the sequel to SARS. This is by the
way, this is SARS two this is the actual SARS cov. Two
so Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, SARS is 2002. Okay,
2000 2004 and it hit China, Hong Kong, Taiwan and Singapore. Right.
That death toll never passed. 600. Right. Right. Meet Max maybe like
an estimate will tell you 800. Now I have a problem with calling that
an outbreak. Right in China. 800 people die of old age every day.
Right?
So how is how is the mic? My mate where I'm getting to? Is the
language being used here and the fear put forth by the media? Over
800 People in two years? Not? Oh, in one year in two years. Okay. So
let's say in a hypothetical situation, the death toll of
Corona never passes worldwide death toll never passes. 15,000.
Let me give you let me ask you a question. Yeah. Okay. So 15,000
People just die, don't 15,000 People die worldwide every day. If
a if a, let's say you're in a building, and the shooter comes
into a building, right? You're not going to sit there and say, Hey,
more people in this building die from diabetes every year. We
shouldn't worry about this shooter. That's real shooter. A
shooter is something that we see and know and are obliged to act
upon. But you wouldn't shut down the city because there's a
shooter. Right? You would you would shut down? Of course you
would you would shut down the building you wouldn't you the
building, maybe but not. But look at this,
in this issue of
your example was so crazy. That's why
your example, your example, saying I see what Doc is what I'm saying
is there's gonna be the next pandemic that comes around, we're
gonna say, oh, no, we're not gonna do it, like those idiots from
2020, who shut the whole world down for a thing that killed
15,000 People over six months.
I think the difference is, I think the difference Doc is that.
Obviously, nobody knows how this is going to progress and how
severe it could get. But they do have methodologies to kind of
project you how fasting spread, you know, the mortality rate of
how many people that are infected and dying. And like their
projections, if left unmitigated or like this could be really bad,
right? Like this could take out a huge chunk of the population.
A big enough chunk of the population to cause significant
problems. Yeah, especially when you're gonna have to react. Right.
So So I think that they're they're trying to take things from
horrible to awful, right? Like, like that's, that's really what
They're they're trying to do at this point with all these measures
that are like, we know it's gonna be bad. But how can we make it
less bad than it might be? And, and, you know, these sacrifices of
like the economy and like these things are going to happen no
matter what. So we might as well just do it now, because those
things are going to be an eventuality. Yeah. And if we don't
do even if we don't shut things down, yeah, I don't have a problem
with I'm just saying, I'm just, yeah, being devil's advocate and
saying, Oh, why not? This? Why not that I think a lot of people have
have those kinds of concerns or like those,
you know, objections to like a lot of what the media is saying, but,
but So here's, here's the thing, right?
If that's our limited to say, 15,000. I don't think that any
reasonable person will look back and go, Oh, we definitely
overreacted. And we did too much. Because if they're limited to
15,000, it's because people took extreme measures. And that's
exactly why it's very hard to ever, you know, when in a
defensive situation, like security guards, how do security guards
justify themselves? Right? Their presence pushed made criminals
move away, right? Yes, deterrence, its deterrence. So how does
anything in a deterrence situation ever justify itself? Like,
somebody's gonna be like, well, nobody came to your building?
Because to Why did you need a security guard? Well, maybe nobody
came to the building, because there was a security guard, right?
So it's, well, here's, well, let's talk about something else too. And
this is something that's pretty alarming. If this lasts more than
three, three weeks, and you guys are very confident that it's gonna
last more than three months, right?
These lockdowns, then crime rates should go up as soon as people
start losing jobs. And that $1,000 From the government's not going to
really do much for people right now. Yeah, so So crime rate is
going on? Yeah.
So a lot of police, police agencies, including summer here in
New Jersey, I have confirmation on that. I don't even know if this is
responsible for sending but it's some
it's been published in other states, police agencies are not
making arrests on non reported crimes. So a lot of what a lot of
police agencies do as part of their work is is, quote, so called
proactive police work, which is they're engaging in stops, they're
engaging the public, they're investigating suspicious looking
people or activities or whatever, right? Whatever their
justification for it is, that's out. Now, they're only responding
to calls of from reports of crime. And in California, they're not
even arresting and jailing people, unless it's very serious or
violent crimes, what they're doing is they're arresting them, they're
giving them a court date, and they're sending them back out on
the street. So that's going for anything that's non violent. And
anything that's not deemed really to be serious. So like selling
drugs,
burglaries, people breaking into homes, any of those kinds of
crimes, they're just going to hit you with a with a with a
coordinate process, you fingerprint you and send you right
back on the street, and I'm putting you in the jails. The
county, the LA County Sheriff released, did an early release on
a bunch of people on a bunch of people that were coming close to
the end of their sentence, just let them out.
This is, as this becomes more and more known that police are not
doing car stops for any reason, except, like an imminent danger to
the public. So they see somebody driving down the street, speeding,
expired, license, lights out, whatever, right? Anything that
normally would get you stopped and then they start sniffing around
and asking you questions, none of that's going to happen. They're
only stopping cars, if they look like they're drunk weaving in and
out, or if they're like riding on the sidewalk, about to hit
somebody. Other than that they're not engaging in car stops anymore.
They're also charging less crimes. So I'll give you an example. Where
I work. Normally we get anywhere from half a dozen to 30 people
lodged in the jail every night, every day on a 24 hour basis. In
the last two days, we've had three Wow leads together.
Wow, nobody's getting arrested. Nobody's getting charged. And the
three that we had were domestic violence cases. So somebody got
beat up and call the cops and the cops came. Two of them were women,
by the way.
And I think husbands, I think, see, that's why I don't treat this
virus as a sort of black box incident. With only deaths.
Everything that comes with it is the virus. If somebody gets put in
quarantine and they commit suicide, that's the virus, right.
Yeah, it's not a virus. It's not directly from the virus, but it's
a secondary death because of the virus. Right. And I think that's
extremely important. And I think Saad just posted yesterday also, I
think we should wrap up soon after Yasser as well. Don't you guys
have like 10 more hours for them?
I'll tell you something else regarding that.
So we got noticed
that immigration is not transporting anyone to court.
Federal federal prisons are not transporting anyone to courts.
state prisons are not transporting anybody to get to the county. It's
the entire criminal justice system is basically on on a big pause.
And so they're not going to they're not going to do crime is
absolutely 100% going to go up. And the police aren't going to be
loath to to come to your to calling that somebody's outside
your house. Suspicious. Yep, they're gonna go well, people
breaking in are not question they actually broke in
your question. gun sales. How are they doing? They're through the
roof right now. You can't buy anything you can't find they
can't. The permitting process for New Jersey is all backed. I got
mine. I got my law. Now I need to actually make use of it.
And make a purchase.
Oh, so yeah, so that's the thing if you got your ID Yeah. Even if
you purchase a gun, right? At the at the at the dealer, they're
going to do a transfer, and they're going to do a criminal
background check. That process is hamstrung as well. Now. Wait, what
was the point of getting the lights you have to go? Well, I
mean, another background from the New Jersey Knicks is the National
Instant check system. Instant quality euphemism at this point.
Listen that what what's your opinion then about just getting I
don't even know if we're supposed to talk about this on the podcast
but
ordering a fake gun from China. Think about it for self.
For self for self defense, just to have it visible. Right. You can't
get you can't get that delivered to New Jersey. You. Why not Jersey
bands, any guns even the toy guns that look like they're like
they're real. Wait a second from Amazon.
To New Jersey. Sorry, not Amazon. Not Amazon, not Amazon. What's the
other dude Jack Ma, Ollie Express from Alibaba. Hey, listen, tuck it
into a teddy bear. It's coming from
Amazon. I know on Amazon Amazon. So in New Jersey, you can't buy
like an airsoft gun with like a little rubber thing like for
little kids use it to play. You can't buy that without it without
a without an firearms ID and Alibaba. Aloha.
Hey, listen, down for the count. Let's listen. When you when you
they're probably down for the count. But but when you deal with
Alibaba, like fruit for weeks after you make your purchase,
you're gonna get a random WhatsApp message. Right? Yeah, it's the
weirdest, you know? And then Hello, friend. Exactly. And so
you've done this before? And the guy.
Yeah. And there's going to be a guy saying, Hey, I'm standing
right here with your package in the China airport. There's been
some delays, but it'll get to you. You forget and you forget about
it. Five months later, it appears in the mail. Right? Forget You
wanted it. You're like I don't even want this anymore. To be back
to back to this issue. And we got to wrap up right now. But back to
this issue of self of crime going up need self defense has to go up.
And if you don't use guns, I was talking to wakad. And I said, You
guys in Birmingham, you guys got it easy. You guys got a gang, you
already have a mentality over there. And you guys should be
walking up and down the streets with with your cricket bats. And
it will show that you can't mess with this street. Right? You can't
mess with this street. Because if we're talking about what you're
saying three and six months, by the end of the stick by the fourth
and fifth sixth month, there's going to be home robberies in
suburban areas. There's no doubt about it, right? So you got to
make a presence for yourself. Your presence has to be known. And I'm
telling you, this is where the suburban mentality is a disaster.
They're such wimps and so weak, okay, they're afraid of guns.
That's the first thing. They're afraid of any militaristic image,
but that's what's gonna keep you safe. That you have people walking
up doing community, whatever, as if it looks like this is a gang of
guys that are protecting this neighborhood. Am I talking
craziness right now?
When you guys were talking the way you guys are talking, this is the
logical flow of of the conversation is that, by the way,
be worried about Corona, we're going to worry about robbery in
New Jersey. Apparently, this is hearsay, so I don't know. But
apparently, at a bunch of the gun stores. There were reports of like
liberals showing up trying to buy guns and then getting frustrated
that you had to go through the whole process of getting doing all
that stuff. Like why do they wanted to get guys to defend
themselves and they're like, why does this whole process in place?
Why can't we just get it today?
I found that really funny. I actually know a lot of a few a few
liberals who after Trump got to like they were like, well, I have
to go get a gun now. Yeah, and I was like, what? This is literally
what you criticize people for doing wanting to defend
themselves. And you're not even being realistic. No Maga people
are coming to kill you.
Yeah, so
That's basically where we're going. And it's going to be x as
we were being, like how Maureen was like, I don't want to do all
doom and gloom. Listen, we want
to now we're talking about forming our own militia. Listen, I put up
listen, I put up a wall in front of you and said, Did we Yes or No,
I put up the wall. I said, this is a big overreaction devil's
advocate, you guys broke down the wall. Now the water's going the
opposite way. Now. Now we're on five. We're on, you know, having
community watch groups.
Right.
I'm telling you something else. What the other the other thing
that's that the other way that this could turn out, which is very
possible, is we end up a failed economy because the government in
order to prevent, you know, rampant unemployment,
homelessness, etc. Just start throwing, printing, literally
printing money and throwing it at the problem. Yep. And
a year from now we find ourselves with a collapsed economy, because
you can't do that. And definitely know what went down in Argentina
in 2001. Right. Yeah.
I mean, how is that that's a very plausible scenario. It is. It
really is. Because you literally have the Republican Party now,
going full. We have to we have to do you know what FDR did. During
the
it's, we easily could find ourselves in a situation where our
entire economy completely collapsed post that I posted that
one document that I saw in, it was a city in Illinois, it was a court
document around emergency powers that that a mayor of like,
Champaign, Illinois posted, you know, some of the things in that
were were very unconstitutional sounding. Now, the thing is, the
thing is, you have people, I think, a large number of people,
especially younger people, who would like nothing better than for
the government to just go, we're gonna give you money, and we're
going to wipe out all your debt, and we're going to provide fake
jobs, keep busy jobs, so we can justify paying you money. And
I mean, like, now, it's not on the podcast today. And we teach them
about it. But now it's really hopes, and I hope I'm not
misquoting him, but he really thinks that the federal government
has to step in to make things better for people. And that does
not ever work. It only makes things much, much worse. You need
tribes. You want social plans, straight militia?
Social Security, the best social security? Is the tribal system
right or wrong? Yeah, I agree. I agree. The corporations are not
they've replaced nations replaced tribes, corporations replaced
nations, and corporations are worse than taking care of their
Pete their employees, the nations have done that taking care of
their citizens. Right. So but the last thing I want to say is do you
guys remember some long time ago, I My my, one of my chin
projections of possibilities is that Trump gets in and then some
destabilizing factor occurs. So towards the end of his term,
right. And he cancels elections and literally can cancel democracy
too. If the so called flattening of the curve doesn't happen by the
fall the elections will not have no elections yet. There's no Ohio
didn't hold the primary. Yeah, yeah. But you guys did you guys do
remember we talked about this? Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah.
And you know, what I find interesting is and I'm gonna go in
a slightly different direction is a lot of these things that are
happening and cancellations. And you mentioned in in your in your
community update yesterday, is what happens when you stop Gomez
and Omaha's and you stop all of these spiritual protections that
are on the earth, right? What happens I mean, when you when you
stop at all all of a sudden, right, bro, this is a whole nother
podcast that appears in my opinion, that's a whole nother
podcast when you have days and days of no do offer the OMA going
up from the high domain to the fan, and how many masajid for
Joomla and that's our protection and that was our protection and it
wasn't even enough to write our da collectively as an OMA because we
know that nothing stops the podeu except you're on the cover up
being the trials raining down upon us and the trials were still
raining through all that da right. Now remove all that and what is
the what is going to be willed for us in the future? Subhan Allah at
that point, man, you better make be making a lot of personal draw
to compensate that. So I don't want to be I don't want to I don't
want to ended on a doom and gloom thing. So I'll say two things one,
one of the one of the good whatever whatever the reality of
probability this diseases, whatever right one of the things
that this is is a reminder that as much as we were enjoying our
safety and security, while Muslims in places like Myanmar and
And in China, and in other places of the world, we're getting
slaughtered, and raped and thrown into prison camps, and all, all
because of their religion. Our comforts are only blessings from
Allah, and they can be taken away at any moment. And even if we get,
even if we lose all of this, we still won't be suffering as badly
as they were, as they continue to be. And now we don't even think
about them, because we're too worried that we're going to get
sick and die, or that our lifestyle is going to change.
Yeah, so it's just a reminder. But the last thing I'll say, is just a
reminder of the Hadith of the Prophet, that the strong believer
is better and more beloved to Allah than a week believer, though
there's good in both. And so be avid for that which benefits be of
good cheer. Rely on Allah and don't think yourself incapable.
There's, there's, and if something happens to you don't say, oh, I
should have done such and such, because that's only shaytaan
playing with you. Yeah. And I think I'm gonna end it here as
well.
One, I'm not of the you know, don't panic, don't worry, it's
going to be fine crowd. I truly believe that when you get on a
plane.
And I know I said that in the beginning of the podcast, but
here, if we're gonna go doom and gloom, then I'm gonna go out doom
and gloom. But here's what I'd like to say about it. When you get
on a plane, right, and you go through turbulence, you don't want
the pilot to get on and say, don't panic, guys. You know, you want
him to get on and say, Hey, listen, we're gonna go through a
little bit of turbulence. This is going to be bumpy, I'm going to
try to take it up, you know, to higher altitude, whatever it might
be. And I want you to hang in tight. And when it does go up,
you're finally like, Oh, you want it when you start hitting the
turbulence? You say, Okay, you know, this is, this is what the
pilot told us that we were expecting this, and no, it's gonna
be rough, but we'll get through it. And I think that it holds true
here as well. I don't like giving people this nice message of it's
going to be fine, nothing is going to happen, you're still going to
continue getting your prime deliveries, and you're going to
just continue binge watching Netflix, I'm sorry, this that that
is not going to happen.
And it might for a little while, but it's gonna go away it based on
the trajectory that we're on.
And I think if it does, I mean, this is from Allah, everything is
from Allah. Right? Take it as as the test that we have. I mean,
other nations and other people have faced a lot worse, like, in
the US just mentioned, right? There's Muslims all across the
world that were going through tragedies, and here we were
sitting, you know, eating our Cheetos and watching Netflix and
watching documentaries on them. So it is like you mentioned after
said, the Allah has given us any test that comes upon us is a mercy
from Allah, right? It moves our sins, it removes the wrongs that
we've done. And if we enter a new world, then we enter a new world.
And if we don't then hit we don't.
That's not it's not all doom and gloom, right. So like, I know, a
lot of you'll hear a lot of people on the news and like the financial
world saying that, like, hey, if the economy crashes, everything's
gonna be bad. You know, it's gonna be a lot of problems,
unemployment, all this stuff. But I mean, you know, there's always
silver linings, right, like if this is something that causes us
to move away from an interest and, you know, credit based economy.
And that's a good thing, right? Like that. Everybody should be
happy about that. Right? So So there's certain things that, you
know, there's still sort of linings to all of this stuff. When
you go through a difficulty going through it by yourself is much
more difficult than going through it with other people take Ramadan,
right, try fasting outside of Ramadan, it's way more difficult
than doing it together with the community. Very difficult. And I
think the same holds true here. Yeah, things might go bad. Let's
say a lot of us lose our jobs. But it's not like I'm the only one
losing my job. A lot of other people also are losing their jobs.
And when everybody loses their jobs, then new economies will be
created and new jobs will be created. Yeah. Right. We'll just
sort of restructure into a new new type of economy and, and will
lives be lost along the way. lives are lost along the way anyway.
Right. I think we've talked about this on other podcasts, where you
know, when seatbelts came along the the number of car accident
deaths really didn't go down. When parachutes came out, you know, the
number of people dying from you know, falling out of airplanes
didn't really go down, I guess. And I found that would be crazy to
think about even then, and the same holds true your fate and your
life and death are written either way. Right? We know this. So why
continue? You know, worrying about this, whatever comes is going to
come in and it'll be good inshallah. Yeah, John.
So I'll end it on that you can. Alright, great. I mean, we had
such a cozy and fuzzy podcast that everyone whatever people listen to
after this, it's going to be uplifting.
Get your bats people and start walking in the streets with your
bats from
cricket bats baseball bats in America. You're saying you're
mispronouncing the G? What is it? You're mispronouncing the G as
like a bee?
Cats. Yeah
I wish man I was too late. I was too. I've always had a feeling I
was gonna be too late about this.
It's all good.
All right. Good luck. Good luck, guys. All right. Listen, we could
do this like multiple times a week now we don't have to. Hey, listen,
we could take calls too. We could good yeah, I guess we can bring if
you guys want to you want to get wilcott on to see what the England
situation is like. That will be let's get that physicist on here.
Was he going to tell us?
I mean, no offense, but like,
will you know who we should get? We should get Doctor. Doctor
check. Oh, yeah. These specialists? No way. Didn't know
this. Okay, good. So let's do that. All right. Next Next Monday
May be mixed next week. We're all we're all wrong. And I mean, this
is actually healthy for me. So I don't even mind doing this. You
know, more. Yeah. Good. Yeah. Let's see how sad I don't even
need to record it. We can talk on it.
I think I think maybe we can talk about Ben and two coming on. Yeah,
let's go to Ben.
Ben is going to be good with both the medical and the guns element.
And by the way,
and then by the way, yeah, what's your call it
I was gonna say
in people who who can listen and listen in on community updates as
well. If you want another platform to listen in and type in your
comments and questions today mfine As is coming on, on a call for
community updates. And again, if people want to keep studying they
can keep studying with ArcView and that's continues to keep growing
and even growing now that I only haven't done any because the
laptop has been in use because of all this homeschooling business.
But that's actually growing now more than ever. Now that we're all
online so
community updates come on after after maghrib 730 Child raft so if
you need a really good need a laptop or a computer buy it now
before the supply chain hits Yeah, yes use it because that's why
everything anything you need buy it now and I don't mean toilet
paper I mean things you need. Yeah and totally and I just went on I
bought a second isn't a mini recorder Yeah, converters for the
cameras. I bought second and third versions of those in case they
just mentioned toilet paper because it isn't it fascinating
now that everybody is talking about hygiene, and like the
importance of washing and like personal protective equipment to
cover up these guys. This is
a man
who has given Dawa out here.
And even before without toilet paper I was like listen, you run
out of toilet paper. No big deal. You call up your grandma in the
other country. Hey, in the old world Hey, before toilet paper.
How did you guys used to do it? Then they didn't haven't shown the
paper for a long time in these. How did they do it? Right I just
want to make a note since this is a subpoena podcast. I think the
LGBT issue may have just resolved itself on its own Yeah. canceled
all the primaries are canceled now. Wow. They had one and they
got in people got infected. Right. Yeah. With with what? With Corona?
Besides all their other stuff.
Corona be the least.
Why do you think I cared? Like Corona or you want an STD? Right?
It's it's true.
All right.
All right. Monica la
LANTERNA. stuff would have wanted to weigh in as well as in as in
Santa Fe because it ended in m&r Minnesota has what was what was so
severe
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