Dealing With Trauma – Book Launch Webinar

Salam alaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh Alhamdulillah wa Salatu was Salam ala Rasulillah welcome to the special book launch webinar, where today hamdulillah I'm joined by the co authors of this amazing new book that Yaqeen Institute has just launched. A book focused on dealing with trauma in Islamic way and titled, your Lord has not forsaken you addressing the impact of trauma on fate. I'm your host for today is my conduct the books P O at Yaqeen Institute, and my guest today are the co authors of this book, two of our most esteemed researchers, sisters Najwa and sorrow. Sisters Salam aleikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatu. Welcome to this webinar.

We're really happy to be here. Thank you for having us.

I'm really excited that you're launching this book, it's going to be inshallah a means of hope and optimism and, and healing, I think, for many people, because it's a topic that that strikes, you know, it hits us in the heart. It's something so many people have been dealing with. And during the process of editing the book and putting it together, I kept thinking of so many times in my life, and in the lives of so many people, I know, when we would have needed a resource like this, and I'm so happy that the current generation, and the next generation will have access to it. So to get started, sister now, can you tell us a bit about why you've decided to write this book? Why the

topic of trauma, of course, topics to choose from, it's a scary topic, it's a topic that brings up a lot of memories for everyone involved. So why trauma.

So several years ago,

are sitting man had sent out an email to sister Sinai. And he had this idea about doing some kind of guidebook to talk about many different kinds of issues that Muslims face. So like substance abuse, domestic violence,

depression, anxiety. And so when we're reflecting on how can we have a book that could incorporate all these different things, when you could probably write a book on each one of those topics. And

through our own private practices in our discussions together, a common thread throughout life's hardships, hardships is, essentially trauma. A lot of people walk around and so much pain and feel like I'm very depressed, I'm very anxious. And they they very might well be. But something that has really not been addressed is that trauma is oftentimes the thing behind their suffering, and that their depression and their anxiety is really just a manifestation of that trauma. And when we, when we just look at trauma in general, you see that, especially with complex trauma, complex trauma is when you have a series of traumatic events. And so you might look back and say, Well, you know, I

didn't really have trauma. And we see that in our practice, right, we asked, you know, have you had any experiences of trauma, and a lot of people are like, well, I don't even know what trauma is. But you know, there are have been studies that show that about two thirds of the population have experienced at least one type of trauma. And so our idea is that if we work on trauma, we are addressing the underlying issues, that that is helping contribute to this overall suffering.

And so yeah, it is a it is a hard topic, but we were hoping that it would be very impactful, and, and so it'd be transformative for a lot of people. Yeah, I'm doing, you know, on the definition of trauma, one of the things I loved about the book is that you're into the much broader definition than what the quote comes from many of our minds. Like when I think of trauma, I think of major events, you know, like, the death of a loved one, or, you know, injury and accident. But you're going deeper than that. These aren't the only types of trauma, they are the things that we don't even realize in our lives that are traumatic, and that have an impact in how we view the world and

even our relationship with our Creator. Can you just give the audience an idea of what does trauma mean, and what does it include not just major trauma, I think in the book, we'll discuss minor trauma as well.

For me, I like to simplify it and I say trauma is any adverse experience that changes your way of thinking. And so what is traumatic for me might not be traumatic for Assad or somebody else and the other way around, but there are lots of things that people don't realize is traumatic. So in the study that they were looking at, they identified that there was a lot of trauma just

for most people, or for a lot of people. Divorce is a common one parental neglect, living in like a very rough neighborhood. All these things you know, when we think about trauma, you think about what like war are

Sexual Assault, you know those kinds of things. But really, there are very,

a whole host of other traumatic things that can be very impactful. And you can also have small traumas that add up over time. So maybe you had bullying in middle school, and then you faced a lot of rejection in high school or in college.

So it adds up.

And when we look at it from that perspective, I think it also takes away the stigma, that it's not just this really horrible thing that, you know, I can't move beyond this. It's something that, you know, it's beyond repair, no, hamdulillah like, and that's something that we hope to to show with our book is that it's more common than people think. And then there's opportunities for healing Hamza, that words, from Dayla, that's amazing. And I think I hope our viewers and listeners take this to mind that, you know, sometimes you may be thinking that, Oh, the books not for me, you know, I haven't experienced any major trauma in my life. But if there is something that that's holding

back your self confidence that's negatively impacting your relationship with your Creator, if there's something that happened in your life that had any negative impact on your mindset, I think this book helps, I'll come to that. It helps us in many different ways, you cover a variety of topics, and a variety of different traumatic situations, and how to deal with it in a holistic and Islamic way. So you've spent five years on this book, or Hamdulillah, that this is amazing.

Five years of, of research and hard work. And, you know, the hard work isn't just on the end of our authors, but also, you know, our creative team are putting in so much work with this book, our marketing team, I myself read through the book, like 12 times, edited and make sure we have no errors.

It's been,

it's been amazing working with you on this project. And I myself learned so much through the process of reviewing and editing the book, sister, Sarah, could you share with us? What are some of the challenges from the artist side for writing a book on this topic and a book of the size and this nature?

You know, subhanAllah, when we went into into this project, when we spoke to ship how much that meant, we didn't anticipate how huge of a project it would turn out to be, we thought it would be probably a couple of papers, you know, it would be, you know, just something to kind of touch upon the topic of trauma and like, mentors said, to alleviate some of the stigma and some of the shame associated with, with difficult experiences that people endure, especially when it comes to the impact that traumatic experiences can have on faith, a lot of times people don't, don't create that link. And so they feel very alone in the fact that they might not be as connected to alleged path

data, after going through a traumatic experience. And so we wanted to make sure that that was our main goal is we wanted to address that, but we did not anticipate it turning into this huge series of papers, which have now become chapters, which have now become a book SubhanAllah. And we're very grateful for, for everything that came from it, it's been a wonderful experience, both in working together.

And, you know, being able to release something impactful, but it definitely had its challenges for sure. I think that whenever you're going through a project of this size, and for that extended period of time, there's the natural struggle that comes with balancing your work, both mental and I you know, work as therapists, your family life, you know, we're both moms that have the back, and then you know, writing and, and making the time for, for a project of this magnitude. So that definitely, you know, was a challenge, but something that we actually really, really enjoyed, and we found it

wonderful to be able to write it. And then I think one of the biggest challenges that come with writing something about any type of,

of any substance is that balance between wanting to create something that really resonates on a personal and emotional level with people, while also having like the scientific backing the academic, the academic piece where people can understand the science and the brain science behind things and everything, while still allowing it to resonate in a very personal way with people that can sometimes be be a difficult balance to be able to honor a person's experience, especially with something like trauma, because it's something that's so sensitive and so painful, while while still also offering practical guidance, like we didn't want to push people past their personal limits, but

we also wanted to kind of hold their hand through the healing process. And, and and that's a that's a very diff

vocal balance especially when we're you know we're really clear on this is not a substitute for for therapy but we want it to be helpful in a person's journey in their trauma So balancing those things was was definitely a challenge and we hope it was beneficial chulmleigh Masha Allah, may Allah accept this from your I'm really impressed by the work you have done against Boko Haram Do you know and I really hope it benefits millions of people.

You know, the title of the book is quite interesting. Your call it your Lord has not forsaken you and

that secret from surah Taha right? And I think surah Taha is holistically the framework for the book, right.

I find this interesting, because when I was growing up, you know, one of the traumatic events in my life was that my father was murdered when I was like eight years old. So I grew up without a dad. And during my teenage years, surah Taha was like something I held on to and back then the writings on this topic. So, you know, it was just my own reading of the surah. And, and latching on to its message that gave me a lot of hope and strength. So to see someone take that same concept and actualize it into a full huge book, explaining how you know, these different concepts and different types of trauma. It's amazing. I think, in short, you help the next generation you deal with such

traumatic events much easier because Surah Doha is so so powerful. Anything you wish to add to about why the book was given this name.

You know, my eldest pathauto grant your father Jemison, Fidelis, and reunited with him and all of your loved ones there. Because that's an incredibly traumatic experience. So does that fit for, for sharing that with us and for sharing how sort of how it really resonated with you during during your teenage years, such a powerful Surah Subhanallah actually,

I still remember the moment that mentor reached out to me, she said, I got it, I got the framework for for this book, it's going to be sort of to die and she went through she was like I was reading start to die, I was reading the meanings of the I guess, and it's perfect. And I remember getting chills because it was perfect. SubhanAllah. And even the way that Allah's path had revealed this surah to the Prophet Muhammad assassin, at a time when he felt abandoned, wondering, like I haven't received revelation for so long, is almost passed on to upset with me what's going on, and he felt so sad, right. And that loneliness, that feeling of sadness and pain. That's, you know, that's a

feeling that people who've gone through a traumatic experience feel. And then Allah's path that I set this sort of filled with solace, filled with reassurance filled with healing to him. And it was just a perfect framework for talking about a topic that requires that that means that healing.

It's amazing how people in different parts of the world gravitate to the same Surah for the same feeling of hope. And it was revealed to rasool Allah, as always, to give him hope, and writer today remains a source of hope for many of us. So, you know, the book is going for very optimistic framework in order to really help the audience. And that's my next question for Sinatra. Who do you think is the primary audience for this book? So like, folks watching this webinar, you know, why should they download this book? Or how will it help them, you know, which type of people do you feel would benefit most from reading this book?

We think that this book would be beneficial for everybody. And we really wrote it on purpose in a way that it has some it has research has evidence based practices integrated throughout, but we wrote it in a way that the average person can read it. And we also structured it in a way that it's broken up into pieces throughout, so that the mom who has two kids can, you know, read it during, you know, breakfast time or during that time. So the person who's working a lot of hours, can be able to, you know, read chunks of it at a time. And we didn't want to just talk about trauma, I mean, trauma, I think everybody can relate to that, right?

But we wrote it on purpose in a way to incorporate a lot of different psychological concepts. You know, we went to school hamdullah for psychology, but most people do not have that opportunity. Maybe they took, you know, a psychology class there, or maybe they didn't. And so, to be able to talk about many different aspects of psychology, and then more importantly, to integrate spirituality throughout, we thought would be very, very beneficial. So that was our primary audience. But you know, we also wanted to write it for Imams, too, because most of the time because of stigma we have associated with with mental health. A lot of people go to Imams and hamdulillah

they have so much knowledge in there and they're trained in their own way.

But for them to also be able to

read this and say, Okay, wow, like I I'm seeing a connection between the Trump piece and the spirituality that we integrated throughout, I mean, we even have like sections on, on, on as Hadith that directly connect to the, to the traumas or the interventions that we're we're using, so that they will be able to also offer that to the people that maybe come to them, but are not ready to approach counseling or talk to somebody about it yet. And then the last group of people is we were also hoping to kind of set a framework for therapists to So back when there was a lot of trauma work several decades ago, it was really based off of, you know, cognitions talk therapy.

And then over time, with, with different

research that was emerging, it started to shift to the body start to shift to the body, and to different like expressive therapies, but something that you will notice throughout, even if you just go and research, it really is missing a spiritual component. And so we want it to be able to make that framework. So also therapists can go and say, Oh, hey, look, this is something I can integrate into my own practice. Or if they have a client who really likes this, this approach to approaching them, then they could maybe even bring it into session, and they can work on it together. So we really wanted it to be, you know, our contribution to the whole Ummah, we hope that is going to be

received, and that everybody in Charlotte find some kind of benefit from it. Mashallah, so this book is not just for the therapist, as some people might think that, you know, this is a 400 page book on trauma. So they think you know, what keeps you on a bookshelf, and when somebody comes in, they open to the right chapter, the book, so everybody is searching in a very approachable manner, the language is very easy to read.

The references are also easy to follow up on. And one of the things I love about it is that there's a lot of activities in the book itself, like, you know, I find that when it comes to working with your own difficult thoughts, and dealing with personal trauma, journal journaling, can be very healing, it can be very helpful. And I love that y'all have encoded a lot of journaling activities throughout the book, that there's many sections where the reader is asked to stop and to think and to reflect, and to and to try some of these activities, I find this to be really beneficial. And I hope that people will do the activities and not just read through the text, because this is where

the real work takes place. You know, when when we confront our thoughts, I think this is something most of us are afraid of, we scared of our own minds, we scared of facing our own thoughts and working through them, you know, this, this is why we distract ourselves with social media and the technology and, you know, entertainment, but to just take time to sit with your thoughts and write it out. This is a very, very healing process for anybody. And I love the fact that you have so many activities in the book are related to this Saturday, you know, some of these activities, would you like to give us some examples of them? Or maybe you explain to us why why why did you include this

much activities in to what people would have otherwise have thought was a, you know, just a manual for for their purpose?

You know, I, that's one of my favorite things about the book, too, is there are workbook sections after each chapter. And so you have the chance to really put the information that you've gained to practical use, because a lot of times, and I'm sure many of you have that experience where, you know, we read, you know, those typical, like self help books and things like that. And in the moment, like yes, you know, like, I know, whenever I read like a parenting book, it's, you know, for the next for the next hour, and things are great. And then you go back into regular, the regular mode with the you know, with your kids. But when you actually have the opportunity to stop, write,

think, reflect, use your personal experiences, and use the knowledge that you've gained in that chapter to reflect on your personal experiences. That is the start of being able to break patterns and cycles. And that's the goal, because trauma brings us into a negative cycle, negative thought patterns, and it takes energy and it takes work to be able to break them. And it's not, it's often not enough to just listen or read about something, you need to enact it into your life and being able to reflect and do an exercise that targets that particular negative cycle or negative thought pattern is very, very helpful and really transformative in the healing process. And chulmleigh There

are just so many different activities that you know that that we come up with. I know in one chapter, you know, for example, there's the reflection of

in the life of the prophet Muhammad sauce, and then what are some things that you have that he didn't have?

All right to be able to reflect with, with gratitude. There's another one, where, where, you know, a lot of times when we're going through a difficult experience, we zone we zoom in on that experience. And that's all we can see. All we can see is that negativity, that difficulty that, that hardship in our life. And in this activity, you're challenged to view it as a pixel in a picture, and zoom out so that you can see the whole big picture and kind of write out you know about that experience. There are visualization exercises where you pause, and you visualize certain things that can start to create change in your life. So there's something for everybody in the exercises, there are some

exercises that will resonate with you, there are some that won't, and that's fine. But within every chapter, there is something that will resonate with you, and that will be impactful Inshallah, and creating a positive change.

You know, I was just thinking about when I was reviewing the manuscript, the one that stood out to me, you mentioned now about seeing your, your challenges as a as a pixel of your life. I love the visual example, you gave that when someone feels an exam, and they says, I feel my exam, I failed my exam. But you have actually make a list of all your exams in your life. It's like, I've done well in 100 exams, and I failed one, it's two, putting it that context makes it so much more digestible, it makes it so much easier to handle. And you're right, we tend to let this get away from us, you know, we tend to allow our negative thoughts to dominate us and did activities go a long way, to helping

us to change that. And you know, my advice to those who are watching and those who read the book is, don't do don't just do these activities, what some of these activities, you know, you need to turn them into lifelong habits. Like personally, one of my habits, right today is every morning, I do gratitude journaling. And I've done gratitude journaling, even when I've lost my job, I've done gratitude journaling, even when they were literally riots and looting outside my home, like I'm still sit down and say today, I'm grateful that I'm alive, you know, I still look for something because, for me, this stops you from from going insane with a test of life, that no matter what's

going wrong, you stay focused on what's good. So that doesn't, my advice is don't just do it once off, try to turn some of these things into habits. Because these habits can really save you they can really help you. And there's this way I love about the book that it's it's going to help people in the long term, it's not just the book you read once, and then you put it away, you're going to be taking it out, you're going to be reusing it, you're going to be sharing it with your friends with your family members. And you know, right now we have the eBook out, but inshallah we're hoping within a few months, we'll have the paperback version available as well. And then inshallah it will

be available in bookstores and libraries around the world. And you know, the impact will be even more. But for now, make sure you download the ebook and get started reading it, because this is really amazing research that is so beneficial to every single one of us, because we all have things in our life that we need to work on. We all have these things that that may either be holding us back in terms of dunya, or they may be affecting our relationship with Allah subhanho wa taala. And there's this natural urge to ask you about this. A lot of times in the book, you'll discuss how trauma affects your relationship with your Creator, or the way you think about your Creator. I found

this to be very interesting that, you know, people may lose, like the Tawakkol because of trauma. Would you like to elaborate a bit on that to give our audience some tips on how to deal with negative thoughts about Allah subhanho wa taala? And just to give them a preview of what you can learn from this book, inshallah?

Sure, sure. So one of the ways that we separated the chapters of the book is we looked at the 10, most cognitive 10 most unhealthy cognitive distortions, or the most popular ones. Because the way that we experienced trauma in our environment, it really does shape not just our world, but it shapes the way we think. And that extends to our relationships, it also extends to our relationship with Allah. Something that we've seen in our practice, unfortunately, was something that we really wanted to highlight was sometimes when people went through adverse experiences

at the hands of somebody else, they would find that it affects their relationship with Allah. So I'll give you an example. It's not unusual, that we see clients who have suffered from neglect or abuse from their parents, and maybe their parents were practicing, or maybe their parents even misused, you know, certain concepts of Islam to their benefit. And so what happens for the child or the adolescent, they grew up associating a law or Islam with someone who was not using it correctly, or even, you know, to say, quite frankly, abusive, right? And so when you have someone that close to like a parent

course that's going to affect how you see a lot, or even just how we interpret certain events. You know, something that we hear is, you know, either

afflicted with traumas, I've been afflicted with hardships, Allah must just he must have forsaken me if he doesn't care about me, or it's a punishment, all these things are punishment. And that's one of the reasons why we talk about sort of Doha. And we talked about the problem, as I said, I'm because he, he had so many different hardships. And it wasn't because Allah had forsaken him, or that there was something wrong with his email.

And so what we wanted to do was that we wanted in people's minds to be able to comb through that trauma, so that they can distinguish, oh, actually, you know, I had certain assumptions about a lot, there's sort of things that I might have thought that are not necessarily true. Perhaps, you know, Allah had saved me from from this, or he, after my trauma, he actually, I turned out to be better, in some ways, had I not experienced that trauma that's called post traumatic growth.

And so we wanted it to be, you know, a source of healing. And so that people know that, you know, Allah has been with them this whole time, it's not necessarily a punishment, is we wanted to foster foster that growth. Because one of our hypotheses just kind of between the two of us is how many people leave Islam, because of traumatic events that they were not able to sort through and they just attributed these things to Allah, or the religion that we're not really there. And so, you know, it is our hope that by going through the book, and going through the exercises, that people can come back and say, well handled that, like I feel connected and more connected to myself. But I

also feel more connected and closer to Allah.

You raised a very important point that, you know, I've learned from my experience whenever dealing with youngsters who have doubts about the deen or we've left the religion 90% of the time, it's trauma based, you know, and you ask them about their relationship with their parents, or maybe their community, you know, maybe there was an abusive member of the community that harmed them in some way. And you realize it's not really the religion that chased him away, but not being able to cope with the trauma and and, again, shows us the importance of this book to Dr. King's mission of helping people overcome their doubts and entertain Yaqeen. So may Allah accept us from y'all and

reward you for this amazing work? Sister, Sandra, just say there's someone who wants to read this book, but they're dealing with a very specific kind of trauma, and they see a 400 page book, they're not sure if it's the right thing for them, how would you suggest they approach the book keeping in mind that they have a very specific problem?

That's, that's an excellent question. Mashallah, when, when it comes to the book, we we completely acknowledge that it's really long. And we we know, when we were going through the writing process, that was one of our main challenges is, how do we incorporate so much information and make it digestible? One of the things I would say is that even though it's 400 pages, it's not super dense reading of Hamdulillah.

And every single chapter does deal die, every single chapter will resonate with with anyone, but there are there is a specific trauma that is dealt with in every single chapter. So there's, you know, grief, there's betrayal, there's jealousy, the, you know, like it may experience that might, you know, traumatic experience that might lead to feelings of jealousy,

suicidal thoughts, you know, so many different experiences, and so many different types of trauma. So every chapter has is dedicated to that. But every chapter is still something that can resonate with anybody who has experienced any type of hardship, because the thought patterns, even though we're talking about specific traumas in every chapter, the thought patterns that we talked about in each chapter are thought patterns that people experience in general, and people typically struggle with, you know, so one of the things that I would encourage anybody who might be you know, might have something very specific that they're looking for, and might look at this like 400 pages and

think, you know, this is probably a little bit too much is number one, you know, anybody who's picking up this book, start off with a healthy intention. Inshallah, do this for the sake of Allah pathauto, for the sake of your relationship with ls pathauto. For asking Allah Subhana Allah for it to be a means toward healing and towards solace and toward peace. Right, starting in with that intention is going to be something that's very helpful in a inshallah and transformative way. The next thing is, you know, look through the table of contents and see what resonates with you every title kind of makes it a little bit more evident what each chapter is covering, right? And so see,

which resonates with you, you can start, we encourage you to start with the introduction, just because it gives a good framework, but every chapter is independent. So start wherever you'd like and with whatever resonates with you and Shama and you can bounce around, you know, as you

as you'd like,

the other bit of advice that we would want to just make sure to give you is,

as we've as digestible and practical as this information is because it's really practical. And because it is geared toward traumatic experiences, it can bring up a lot of really difficult emotions for people. So just recognize that there might be some heavy stuff that comes up for you, as you as you read through the book. And so tread a little bit lightly as you as you go, take your time, do it in small chunks, if you ever feel overwhelmed, take a break, also be you know, be able to identify when, if things get to be too heavy, that might be a good indication that you might want to actually start working with a therapist and go through this book with the therapist. Because if

it feels like too intense to go through it on your own, then that probably means that there's some really heavy duty trauma in your past that is coming up. And, and so you want to make sure that you deal with it in as healthy away as possible and Chavon.

That's very important advice. And again, a reminder to our viewers that this book is not a replacement for therapy, it is a supplemental, it's a way of assisting you through the process. And yes, for many types of major trauma and even many types of minor trauma, it's best to work with a qualified therapist to guide you through the process. So as we reached the end of the webinar, I want to thank our creative team held a special shout out to our creative team because they spent the past six months working on defining the book, adding in these beautiful images and infographics and I myself was completely blown away by the work they did, you know,

above and beyond what was cool, and you know, special Vantage that to many people working behind the scenes at the team that do not get that much credit, those of us who are on the screen or on the YouTube channel could see our faces, we get most of the credit, but behind the scenes, there's a huge team of hard working sincere individuals who put in so much effort

and a book like this was a team effort, you know, from the orders, the editors, the creative team, the marketing team, the cover designers, all of what everybody who was involved in doses added to everyone's scale of goodies on the last day before we close off system do you have any closing comments with the assistance or you can give your closing comments as well

just that you know, I'm really excited you know, it's been several years in the making and it's very exciting to inshallah see it in PDF format and inshallah in book format, and like you said, I mean, the community has been working so hard, a big thank you to you because we

you have repeating it over and over and over again, and also to the creative team in the past six months but they have been working they had infographics from the very beginning back in 2017 18. And they put so much hard work into it. So just you know, feeling very very grateful for your plan to have this opportunity and to finally you know see in sha Allah the print in our our hands

this this this

Salah yes you know, to reiterate to second Lafite, I'm to use your smile, and to the creative team and to the entire team that has been just so wonderful to work with throughout this process, you know, I can't even express how impressed we have been, you know, art and creativity. I like to be creative, but artistic was not so much. And seeing the way that the creative team has managed to convey such intense topics in a simple image is incredible, mashallah, and so it's really wonderful and adds so much to the, to the book into the experience of reading the book.

We are definitely really excited but we also just really pray that Insha Allah, you know, when we were starting this book, and throughout the process, we had an image of the person that we were writing for, like this faceless person who was struggling and who felt alone and who was feeling disconnected from LS PAC data but wanting to be reconnected to him. And that was who we were picturing, as we were writing this book, and so we really hope Inshallah, that it reaches that person and reaches all of you and it's beneficial in creating transformation in your thought processes, your mental and emotional health and first and foremost in your spiritual health in

connection to all this path data as well and we pray that it's going to be beneficial and we're very, very privileged to have worked on it and inshallah to see it come together as a book like this and have

accepted from for everyone involved. So, for those of you who want to download the book, it's available as a

a free download on the Yaqeen Institute website in the section and we have many other free ebooks available as well. Hamdulillah we have built up a wonderful catalogue of ebooks over the past two years we have the proofs of profit, heard of Rasulullah Salallahu Salam by Sheikh Hamza Shinobi. We have the Quran devoted to ebooks the DUA, the E, book to habits general by Dr. DE Sneem. And this is our latest edition and humbly, humbly we thank Allah for assisting us in being able to put this out there and to introduce this So for now, the book is available as a free download, but we do have plans in the very near future within the next six months inshallah you have it available as a

paperback as well. In the meanwhile, please make sure you click on the button to download and get yourself a PDF copy of the ebook, and that you get others to do it as well. So as many people as well as possible can benefit from the work of our

entire team. And please make dua for us make dua for everybody involved Allah accept our efforts, he keeps us sincere, that he allows us to put out more resources that benefit the Ummah and that he continues to use us to serve this Deen. Does Apple have everybody watching for your time, your attention you support

both of our guests for the amazing work that you do. We all like everything that you said that you do for this team and for your communities and make you continue to use you serve the team and we bless your families and he bless your communities and may He

bless the Institute as a whole. Thank you once again to everyone for your time and attention.

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