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Channel: Muhammad ibn Adam al-Kawthari
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I'd like to invite our dear guests, honorable chef.
He's much senior to me an age and also in knowledge he doesn't look like it by age wise mashallah he has not aged much especially when you meet him and you'll see him he has kept well and may Allah protect him from all illness and weakness. But Masha Allah when when you see the shift, you think like he's a young brother from our age group, you know, like 2522 You know, but you know, he's mashallah much more senior than us and age, and he has much more senior and his contribution and his commitments we were still studying when shift and instead was writing books and publishing books and teaching fatwa. And obviously, I want to already give my disclaimer that if there is any form of
intellectual edit any form of disrespect on the on the what happens on virtual right, you can bring your teacher on, you can bring a big ship on, and you know, the ship if he gets a little irritated. He can't do much because it's virtual. So we like to pull strings, but in the meantime, we also have to maintain our respect for our style. We'd like to bring Mufti Mohammed Adam Kothari on to the screen. Let's sit down what Alikum says
hello, how are you doing? Hamdulillah I will just speak English inshallah. No Arabic, Arabic, I almost lost all the Arabic that I knew a little Arabic that I was new. I was running out of like, like, all my language was done. And unless you have all your viewers and listeners who are Arabs, but I think no majority English speaking and Punjabi speak
hamdulillah I'm doing good. How are you guys? Everybody are all well, inshallah Hamdulillah. You know, the audience to know that Musab Mohammed bin Adam, of course, he is joining us at two 3am. And England time is there and it's midnight. And we have so fortunate for him to join us this late and may Allah reward you we have really no other words that we can successful. Allah bless you your time and you Baraka.
this is the last time when I was with you guys, on this miftah that was the last time I did a program at 2am.
And after that, this is the next tournament doing it at 2am. So
I feel so honored. But at the same time, I feel the sense of guilt that we that we have asked you to come on this late. And honestly our community in America and especially on the miftah program, they really cherish your your presence. And it's sometimes I feel like we're being selfish asking you to come this late at night. But please, we are we are definitely apologize. But if everybody online can at least appreciate the service presence and liquid. He said he said the last time you came online what I remember when he came on a year ago or so it was it was late there and he came on just for us. And again, he's doing this is this this is the contribution of scholars and journalists want to
reward your contributions. I mean, I mean, I'm normally awake till about 2am Anyway, so it's not really okay. What's going on? How's your family? How's your parents and children institutions? handled? Everyone's well handled? You guys have stuff and Subak going on in your schools?
Yeah, everything's back to normal Coronavirus in terms of everything is back to normal, all the schools and mattresses and everything's more or less back to normal. I'm doing my follow up. And you know, just love this app doesn't mind.
Having the hula has studied intensively. And he has people who knows a little bit background of landscape of the sub studied and one of the most illustrious institutions and very, what is a stat shift use of Motala Rahmatullah Ali. And this is also very dear students. Loyal students are moved into many of you the whole love, the Great Mufti in Karachi, Pakistan, and also study from Dr. Sheikh Hamza al Halabi, and other great scholars who have this app has published many books, and a lot of them are related to social issues, then the issues relationships, you can just Google his name, you'll find many of his books online on Amazon, and you can order them and Melissa continues
to answer fatwas on daily and contributes to the needs of our community. What else can I say? I've just marveled at the work that you have done and the work that you continue to do and the community is indebted to you for your time and your contribution.
What we are going to discuss, as most of you have probably mentioned, mentioned earlier, the academic scholarly length, growth in earlier times with the Sahaba and their ability, with differences of opinion with the difference of political, social politicals challenges that they
had, how they were able to navigate and able to present his stuff in such a great manner in a diverse society. And especially living in America and England, you have people from all walks of life you have immigrants who have migrated from West Africa, from Pakistan from even you know, even people who converted to Islam. And now we have to accommodate them and make sure Islam is presented in how we have we have Islam has such leverage to accommodate differences of opinion and hold scholars were able to navigate through such complex city so move this up, please lead us on this discussion.
From the LA salatu salam ala Rasulillah. But
this topic that you've just brought up, it's a very vast topic.
There's a lot of facets to it a lot of aspects and we don't want to make this like a very
academic type of, you know, program or lecture is Friday night, Friday night is mashallah people want Friday night light.
There was light stuff on Friday night, so after a hard week, people are just kind of relaxing, and so inshallah without making it very academic just, I think what I mentioned, move to prohub as well, but what I would like to maybe discuss is just look at maybe scholarship in different parts of the world, as well and currently,
recently past and in the current times, elements scholarship and the challenges that they faced and
different types of automa what what they contributed to the ummah.
in terms of my personal experience, 100 I, first of all, I studied here in the UK. I was born in the UK, raised in the UK, and studied, as you mentioned, darlin, very, that's what I studied. Now, seeing scholarship in the UK, the challenges that people face, the face, the Imams face there is, and then after finishing studying have come back. And I've lived all my life in the UK. And of course, I've visited many times, North America, Canada and the US. And the challenges are similar, both in the UK and in North America as well, very similar challenges
that Muslims face, and especially the people are very adamant knowledge and students, aspiring students who want to study Islam who want to, you know, maybe go far in the understanding of the I think the first thing that really is important where we need to start off this discussion with is that I think one of the things that I've realized is that sometimes we don't actually not saying everybody, but in many communities, we don't actually
recognize true scholarship. This is this is a big issue. In many communities, especially in the West, and in North America and in the UK.
So true scholarship, what is true scholarship, what is true, who are the actual people of this itself is a talent to determine and to recognize who is a person of scholarship and Islamically. And this is important, because we need the community to recognize who the true scholars are, who are the people of Parliament knowledge, so that we require guidance, we need solutions to our
problems, whether they are individual problems or collective problems, who are those people qualified to guide, especially in this current climate is become even more common, camouflaged and confusing, because of what we have. I mean, in the earlier times, it was it was a bit easier, even though people didn't recognize in certain communities, but they you know, stuck to their own communities and, you know, but now we have social media and you know, Twitter and Twitter is everybody's a chef on Twitter, everybody's a chef on Facebook, everybody is a chef, anyone can just basically open up a YouTube channel and start preaching in different parts of the world. You know, I
normally say to the students that in the earlier times, if you wanted your voice to be heard, and your explanation of Islam to be heard your views in regards to the Quran and Sunnah and different aspects of religion to be heard, you would really need to be accepted by other people of knowledge and you will need to be accepted by the general masses before you are given up given a platform. Wow. Because you will only get a platform in the massage it you will only get platform. If for example, physically, you advertise an event, who will come to that event.
Only those people will come to the event, if they recognize you if they see you as a person of worth going to
the platform is open for everybody just make a YouTube channel, or you know, whatever social media Avenue channel and that's it and people are watching anyone and everyone. And this isn't this is true with even other other aspects of life as well. This is true with medicine as well. You know, nowadays, everyone's a doctor on YouTube. I mean, I normally have this discussion my mother grandmother, you know, sometimes since a couple of years, she's we gave her a whatsapp you know, we gave us an iPhone, just for the WhatsApp etc. So she can talk to her sister in another part of the world etc. She got so fascinated with with the with the iPhone, like you can talk on video and
people, you know, she had to get a calling card and all of this. But now, you know, they keep on sending her like old washes video, you know, if this is a problem, eat this this many times and put this oil in this one and put this one I'm telling I said you know what, this couldn't be like some you don't. And the way she's reacting as though this is a qualified doctor talking because all her life someone talking about this is only be someone who's qualified. Yep. But actually explain to her that this could be just like your normal natural neighbor, just a normal random woman sitting in front of her, you know, computer and telling you how to make this and how to make that and how to
cheat this illness and that illness. So I'm trying to drill into her that this is this whoever speaking doesn't mean it's qualified. But because they've been accustomed all their life, only listening to someone who's qualified speaking, before only people who are qualified to speak that now on social media, qualified or non qualified, everyone speaks. And when it comes to both of these two areas, Islamic scholarship and medicine, everybody wants to be an expert
Sheikh Abdul Fatah Daramola I'm sure you everyone that you've heard of him and you've read his books. You know, you said his name. I was just looking at his book today. So just like martial law of heart and somebody
next to my desk all the time on my pillow, it says a great book. Yeah, it's it's it's a masterpiece. It's I mean, every student of knowledge should read that it's amazing. When he visited Pakistan, he's visited many times, I heard this directly from my teacher multipath manner with Allah. When he visited Pakistan, on one of the visits. He was there, he visited quite a few times. He stayed two weeks in Davao in Karachi, as well, once once he was researching something. And he wanted to use the library. So he traveled, they traveled to India quite a bit as well and Bangladesh. But one of the times when he visited when he was leaving, after about two weeks, a lot of people went to the
airport with him to see him off.
So somebody asked him say, you know, what are your impressions about Pakistan? You've stayed here for two weeks? What are impressions? What do you think about this country? He said, Hamdulillah I loved my time here. People are really good, amazing. It's a very good country. People have been hospitable, etc. But there's one thing every person is a doctor and every person has a Mufti. Oh, yeah.
Everybody wants to give you a fatwa, or have an opinion about Islam qualified or not. And every person wants to give you a remedy for some illness in seconds.
So this is this is an issue. I feel a very big issue that to recognize true scholarship.
It's really, really difficult in this time, but who are the real people of Elam and Islamic scholarship? And then there are differences as well between a diary between a between an island between a diary between a personal real knowledge, someone who's anyone can do Dawa. But
people of Dawa doesn't necessarily mean that people have deep knowledge of Islam, you know, there's a difference between a four p and a duck. So this is this is really important
to recognize and you know, there's a proverb in Arabic that says in the Marathi fool formula, following the will father.
I think I must have mentioned this before as well. But the true virtue of the people of virtue is recognized by those of virtue. So, a real enjoy a mechanic who is a qualified mechanic engineer, only another mechanic or someone who has a bit of understanding of mechanics were recognized that appreciate or will appreciate it. Likewise, with Islamic knowledge as well. In order to actually recognize someone or scholarship we need to have a bit of an understanding ourselves. Otherwise, it's difficult to understand. Because for a person who has no background of Islamic scholarship, then someone might just look like a chef. They might just think somebody might just act like a
shark, somebody who might just know a few words of Arabic here and there. Am I just somebody who might just nowadays, you know, scholar is someone who makes dollies or who's
As doesn't gin, you know, treatment or black magic treatment and you know people think that's like I remember once there was a brother saying that the greatest chef in the world is the one who gives you the most powerful tower. He's
the greatest chef in the world, who gives you the most powerful towers to shoot you. Yet how can you expect that with amulets, you know, like ambulance people write with amulets, and they, you know, for treatment, etc. And there's a whole factor behind it, what's allowed and what's not allowed. But in other words, someone who can teach, like is a scholar is someone who's just who's there to just treat people from illnesses, sicknesses from black magic. And that's it. It's not about I mean, you know, as well as and all the graduates know that we've not students of knowledge, don't study one day how to treat black magic in $1. In this niche, Army, people study for eight years. You know,
once somebody actually told me, they said,
Do you know how to treat this, you know, black magic stuff? I said, I have no clue. So who gave you the title and lifting them?
What to do with that? There's not one day we study this stuff. This has got nothing to do with. Some people think it's just dream interpretation. Somebody once told me that a chef or somebody who knows how to interpret dreams, I said, Whoa, we started nine years, 10 years, 12 years, there's not one day we had a lesson on dream interpretation. Wow. So dream interpretation is not necessarily scholarship, treating given black magic is not necessarily scholarship scholarship, it is something else. It's something beyond that.
So I think that's really important that in especially in our western countries, we recognize we respect everybody, but we recognize people should know who is fit for what role, and Imam is fit for a particular role. A diary is fit for a particular role. Everyone should stay within that limit Rahim Allah Who Imraan out of a head, the WHO for work of her and the who Allah has. Some of the early people said Allah's Mercy is on that person who knows his limit and stands by that limit. So if someone is a die, he stays. According to that level of being a die. People recognize this person as a die as a motivational person. And you don't really need to study eight, 910 years to be someone
who's good, you can go in tomorrow. There's some people who go into Marta bluedata, amazing in motivation, you know, basics of Diem. Anyone can do that you don't really need extreme level of scholarship. But then when it comes to deep matters of D, who will decide for us? Who will who will tell us what to follow what not to follow? That's where the role of the people of Feck LM Hadid, you know, great scholars, you know, they're all comes in and and we recognize those scholars.
There are too many things you've covered in this in this discussion so far. And one of them, I'm not going to repeat it. But for the audience that's watching, it's very crucial for us to recognize full scholarship. And now it's like you said, camouflage just been so blurry now. And a lot of people gain this recognition of being a scholar, it's so easy, they transition from being stabbed to a man to a shave, to a Mufti. Like it's just even even the names are now very confusing. What like, even anonymous symbol asked, What's the difference between the Imam and the chef, and, you know, and stuff like that. And then you have also scholars were moved is called goddess hub, or have is that
like, what this call this guy's an actual scholar, but you know, taking away from it being a half or Kati, but this person studied many 19 years. And you're recognizing him as a student who studied for two years, we can have it. So there's, there's mixtures of that that's one aspect. The second aspect is that people also obviously, will, I'm not trying to blame the audience, but someone like me, also, we like to tend to find those people who cater to our mindsets. So if someone is a little bit traditional, someone has academic someone who's more knowledgeable, and he has or she has an opinion, and then someone who seems to be a professional or scholar, and he has or she has an
opinion, people like to follow those positions, because it's it's their mentality and their appetite. So a lot of it has to be a very sincere approach like really? Are we literally are we looking for knowledge as True Knowledge? Are we looking for the self appeasing opinion? Available online? But of course this Dean is not a joke. We'll do a whole dudina Come we have to be aware
who we're taking our deen from, and especially for social on social media and online. You know, imagine there's more than 2200 mustards in America, which is not much compared to England. But you know, not more than 500 of them have Imams or scholars you know, like, so there is a lack of
Anchor ship anchors in their communities. So that leaves a very big vacuum for people who are looking for jobs or just seeking an opportunity to jump in and pull those back comes in. I mean, maybe they're doing it for the key fire or a service to the community. But the community is now really looking for guidance. And now, we don't have enough scholarship or we do, but they're not choosing to serve at the community level. Maybe they're going into another advanced studies. So that's a very good point that was that has made out. And we have to be careful. Should you tell us that? How careful were the scholars that pass when they were asked a question before they could give
a verdict? Like, you know, what was their position today? On the fly? I mean, myself Tshabalala sack up. Yeah, but like, and I feel like if I don't give an answer, or someone doesn't feel like they're giving an answer, their knowledge is questionable. Sure. Can you tell us the essence of how careful these scholars were, even though we're so knowledgeable in that field before they give a verdict? Well, I mean, hello. I mean, great Imams have written about this topic. Like Imam no Rahim Allah or the annual.
His masterpiece, introduction to his animoji Mork it's amazing. I mean, you know, the quarry that was just before us, he was talking about Egypt.
I remember when I went to Egypt, many years ago, I stayed there for over a month or so a couple of months. And in the other days to actually teach this always there's an open lesson for all of the labyrinth mentality, but Imam and always mocha Dima, which is an introduction before his own much more. And it's amazing. He talks about the seriousness of,
of giving views on Islam, you know, how, you know, there's a hadith of the messenger salAllahu alayhi salam, which is a sound Hadith Agera Okuma Littlefoot here Agera Okuma the one who is most courageous courageous amongst you, on giving Islamic verdicts you know, in any way, shape or form giving rulings about Islam answering questions about Islam, telling the masses, issues relating to Islam, the one who is the most courageous amongst is the one who is most courageous into
in wanting to enter the fire of hell May Allah protect some of them Imam Mohammed Al Hassan, a che Bernie, he used to not he's too used to smile less towards the latter part of his life. Somebody asked him that, why not smiling? He said, how can that person's smile whose back people have made to enter Jana or Johanna, like people have relied on me, I've got the burden of the whole OMA, you know, they used to feel a sense of responsibility that if I tell one person, something, which is not right, and this is this is dangerous, this is you know, the responsibility is going to be a mural on my back. Mr. Malik was once asked, this is famous, he was once asked many questions, I think about
40, or something like that. And majority of the Mekorma, but the numbers right now, maybe 48 and 32 of them. He actually said Landry darlin, I have no answer. I don't know, sorry, as someone else. And people used to do that in the early times, God, someone else need these to be so scared. You know, imagine one person you give a wrong answer.
You know, this is why, you know, in the books of Falcon fatawa, they discussed this that if you should never answer a technical question, if you're not emotionally in a good state, if you're extremely hungry, or angry, hangry as they say, whether you're extremely hungry, or you're over eaten, you know, both extremes, whether you're overeating or extremely hungry, very sad, very happy, sleepy, or, you know, whatever. If you're in an imbalanced state, you should not give a ruling on Islam. And this is taken from the Hadith.
That ecology should not judge whoever the ban Lyonya called the by an eighth neighborhood, but a judge should never decide between two people when he's got anger. So based on that anger, is it imbalance state? Any imbalance state? Now that's why you know, sometimes people people respect to expect the scholars to answer in every scenario situation, you know, and sometimes people ask me, I say, Look, right now, I'm not in a state to answer my mind is not normal. Like I've just had food, right after food, I don't answer questions because 1015 minutes the food is gone to my brain, you know, you know, after food, you just need to relax. You need to you can't read a book, you can't you
can't do something. So these things, you know, and
you know how they used to be so careful about this. I remember off the top of money I've ever once mentioned that
his particular point that just two, three days after his father had passed away a massive calamity you know, in your life when your own father passes away, someone in your family passes away. And we know about your brother, may Allah have mercy on him and credit him Jana, I mean neuroanatomy. So this happened two, three days after his father had passed away, that somebody asked him a question. And he said, Look, I wasn't completely in a state of mind.
Because I was so emotional. But somebody on the road or somebody just after salah, who asked him a question about follow up or something about whether divorce was done or not. And he gave an answer in haste. He didn't understand. He gave an answer. But then afterwards, he realized that actually, I think I've given him the wrong answer. Now should I do, I don't know who the person was in the middle of the road. Then I just know him by the face. So he said, I tried to ask people, this was many years ago, 3040 years ago, I tried to ask people do you know this person who comes to pray Salah in our Masjid? His he has this kind of appearance, facial features. Maybe someone said maybe?
Yeah, he sometimes pops in here, but he prays probably in the local, you know, in the next town, there's a masjid there. He probably prays there. He said, For two weeks, every single salah I went to pray in the masjid, to find that person to tell him that what's your question? I need to give you the right answer. Wow, Teresa two weeks is that after two weeks in one of the Salah, I saw the face. I was just in Salaam and I saw the face. I ran and grabbed him quickly. You know, as though that I've gotten my hands on a treasure that for two weeks, I could not sleep that I gave you an answer that I feel that I was losing. Right? Wow. So this this is this is what happens to these people.
They take it as a responsibility that this is a big responsibility you and we can't just say anything and everything. You know, nowadays, people just put every view forward, and then it's these great from the time of the Sahaba that's why some of the Sahaba used to burn, you know, like go murder the Allahu Anhu. And some of the early leads to burn some of the Hadith and stuff because they were so scared. But maybe one letter, one word we've altered in here, what answer would we give to Allah? subhanaw taala? They will they were extremely scared about it. So I think this this, you know, this whole issue of being careful about ailment knowledge, if you don't know, we don't know,
you know, I don't know the answer, just say I don't know.
This has always been the habit of our pious great Imams of the past. And, and even in the current times, the great scholars, you know, the greater the scholar is, the more precaution they have. And the more humility they have as well. And because they don't need to, you know, like the same sports as well.
You don't need to Blow Your Own Trumpet. You know, if you've already got the knowledge in Ireland, then you just let your own will automatically do the job for you. You don't need to say I am such and such, you don't need to advertise yourself. You don't need promotion. Allah promotes you. Only those people need promotion. And those people need all the means of promotion where the qualities won't promoted. So you need external promotion. Yeah.
empty vessel just echoes. Yeah, exactly. And you know, and so, like in sports as well, you know, they say, like, in the UK, soccer, we play his feet, does the talking on the field? Correct? You know, you don't need to talk and say how good you are. And this is how these great scholars are they they they do the work. And they you know, they did have no shame in doing Raju retracting when they said I made a mistake. So what not, they don't have an issue saying that I don't know the answer to this question. So they are humble and have a lot of humility as well, of course, I know we're getting too technical. And you have answered so many. I mean, you have a lot of you have me and
definitely the audience and actually concerned where how to find the right answers. And what are the what are certain futures that we should, as students of knowledge, acquire, seek in a scholar and we should seek in ourselves if we're becoming scholars. Yeah. Only like if I'm if everyone's calling themselves a scholar, what is now how do we go on chanting? So how do we, how do we verify the active and necessary means to reach them? Right?
It's a very good question. And it's a very difficult question to answer as well, especially in these times. I mean, normally, I would say that, look, there's a lot of similarity between medicine and Islamic scholarship in terms of, you know, the expertise
with all these kinds of questions, not just this question, that how do we sort of recognize real true scholarship and orlimar but also
answer or whose view or opinion Shall we follow because there's so many opinions? Wow. Yeah. The diverse opinions you
Yeah, diverse opinions. You know, nowadays you go on Google and you just find anything and everything. So there's so many diverse opinions, diverse colors, all of this. I've been asked this many times before and the norm, the way I normally answer is that how would you deal when it comes to an health issue? And medicine? How would you deal with one is the science of medicine? And we'll be we'll have the Dan or Elmo differ Killian Dion. You know, a bombshell theory said that any moral human sciences worth studying, only two will have done the science of medicine for the burden for appeal at the end for the dean. In other words, one is the science for this work for the external
body, and one is for the internal. And for the next slide. One is for this life when it's been excellent. So how if someone's, for example, has illness, sickness? How would they do? They will how, number one, how will they find the best doctor? Okay, Allah has given everybody aka we don't like I did mention that proverb that real scholarship is only truly appreciated by people of virtue. But that doesn't mean you have to be a scholar to understand the scholar like I am, for example, I don't have no knowledge of medicine. And I'm sure you probably don't have, but we still have a loss given us a bit of apple intelligence, we can determine who is a good doctor? How do we determine
that? Number one by looking at the qualifications. And that's one thing, which is difference, which is easier in medicine. And I won't go into the reasons why. But it's easy in medicine, by looking at just qualifications, then, in mother's qualifications, you probably know what I mean. And so because medicine, especially if it's in the West, I'm not talking about Pakistan medicine, or the subcontinent medicine, because anyone can get a degree from anywhere. But in the West, if someone's qualified as a proper from a proper University, as you can guarantee this guy knows.
So, but that's how we determine and then we can see intelligence we can, you know, I once remember many, many years ago, so no one can show that nobody will know who this is. But I this was a long time ago, but 20 years ago, I had a local general practitioner, you know, your we call a GP here, your local doctor, I don't know what you guys call it there, again.
Adopted opposition here, you're so he, he actually had come a few years from before from India or somewhere, and he was practicing and, you know, in my city. So one day I went there, and
for some issues, when I saw him that he was checking my symptoms on Google, he had his laptop towards him. And he actually typed it up in Google and just checking. And I just saw him. Since that day, I just change my doctor. So I don't want to be with this doctor.
I don't want to who's checking on Google? I want someone who's qualified. So, you know, we've been given every human being Allah has given awkward and intelligence to determine, we don't really need to be scholars to, you know, it's not difficult to determine the right or wrong as well. We can tell like when it comes to our health matters more than just go imagine someone's got a health issue. You see a diverse opinions on the internet. Which one will go for the one that's the easiest, the one that tells you you know what, go to sleep and you don't have to do anything. The one that tells you you know, relax, so fine. It's all cool. Nothing's no problem. Chef, I gotta give you my what I'm
sorry to cut you off. But once I that, that last two years ago, before COVID I, after I went to Pakistan and came back when I came back, son, I got irritation on my body. It was it was just itchiness. I put clothes on it would irritate my body. I didn't know it was at the clock, the new clothes that I had stitched was it the material? Was it my blood platelets was it was it was it was it could have been something wrong with my blood, my skin. And my wife being a practitioner in health care. She so she was there and she's she said I think we should go see a physician. And I'm like, well, but like, you know, I don't think it's serious. It kind of happened for a couple of
weeks. And then I'm like, You know what? I'm smart enough. I can Google all this information. Why is it Why are you having itchiness? Why are you having irritation? I wasn't really interested irritation. And I googled and I searched. And of course, there's everything is there from blood cancer, to skin, skin cancer, to KIDNEY LIVER problem. It could be many things, you know, and I'm just reading this and I'm reading articles and then go into archives of medical
scholarly articles. I'm like, I'm not just gonna read Google I'm gonna look at I'm gonna try to act smart and to read deeper into the writings. Man move this up. I lost my sleep. I looked at 12 One o'clock, and I was like, what's wrong? I can't see whether you're gonna die tomorrow.
You keep by just looking at yourself. You're gonna go mad. You're gonna go mad as I told my wife. I don't think I'm gonna be alive for many more days after reading this Google's
Let's pack our bags. Let me pack my bag now. You know, of course, it o'clock in the morning, I popped into the clinic with a blood test bloodwork, everything figuring it out. But Subhanallah you know, when it comes to medicine, we have to be careful what we're looking at we make the wrong medication. Similarly with religion, we were looking at something we may get the wrong answer.
Yeah, true, is very true. And that's why I think this is a very important question that, you know, how do you determine real scholarship and which opinion to take from
the plethora of opinions and views that we see on the internet? So I think if we take our religion seriously, if we the way we take our health seriously? No, we're worried about asking anyone and everyone we worried we don't want anyone to give us something an opinion that's going to harm us. We're very particular. If not for that medicine, even even buying a car when you go to buy a car, we will make sure that we will ask five six different people and we'll get we'll make sure what is this guy an expert you know, when it comes to dunya, we will try to find the most expert person. You know, this is sad, because when we when it comes to Team people think that oh, the onus is on me
like has anyone said it? Let's say I will just say to Allah, Norman, Oklahoma, Ohio to open Google stole my sin. There's one guy he said, take him for task that's wrong. You know, there's a hadith that says, Whoever is given an answer
without knowledge, then the sin is on the one who gave the answer for him, if mu Allah but that's not unrestricted. You know, that hadith that says that? Look, if someone gives you a wrong answer, Hadith says that the sin is on the one giving you the wrong answer, not you. Okay? But that is only in a case where you've put in your effort to find the right answer. Wow, beautiful, then the person gives you the wrong answer, then it's not your fault. But as long as you've taken the same measures in trying to find the right answer as you would take the same measures in trying to find the right medicine doctor or finding the house buying a car buying a house or anything of the dunya if you put
that much effort in Dean as well and then someone told you and you ended up with the wrong car or you ended up with the wrong medicine and killed you it's not your fault. You know, so
quick twist just for the quick because I think that people I want I just want people to hear for example, I somebody asked me recently you know, because of this COVID 19 protocols and how to write I'm gonna I'm just giving you a fatwa just like Mr.
meat a little bit. Your mind literally sparked up here.
I can't hear you man your mic.
I can't hear you.
That means it means we don't want to hopefully configure his mic system and back. So if somebody goes to a camera right now, and the government has three hours, ombre time, so you go into haram, you do your toe off and then you have to go sofa get back on the bus, boom. So you only have only an opportunity to to go off and then go for Safa Marwah, the person was asking what if I do multiple swaps right and then I between my Matoba do mortar wives are first I do manifesto of them?
I gave him I gave him some form of answers but I was for sure what more answers from you and now can you do multiple cameras multiple times before he decided so for
most people to ask before doing sorry for his Yeah, before he finishes
and why does he want to do that? Because he knows right now you can only do one tawaf you can only come into my office right now you're there for six days one time. Okay, so that's why he just wants to do three four and then do Sorry. Yeah.
What did you answer? I don't know. At first he was saying you know, I'm gonna do my numbers to off right. And so there is no there is no facade between the power formula there is no separation between the formula and the amount of sorry, which is the short so he said I'm gonna do nothing. So I said well, buddy, what if you get busted and you're moving around so fast and they see you give you another laugh and then they kick you out. And now you have Umrah done right? So I said I said that first of all, I think you should do your Morocco up the near that you came in there for literally macadam in case they might be in *y. That should be macadam also. Then I said, I
thought of nothing at Essen. But of course,
even in tawaf, if you break your toe Have you have used the bathroom, we come back and pinch a cloth, on the basis of that if someone took did more tawaf between his camera tawaf and then went back to the sofa. I said, I felt like there was no problem with it, especially in the people she's in right now.
soaking Shala is here your brother's talking about
here. No, I was between two movies and I feel like I'm giving
them is you know for those that introduced I'm sure introduce some vision but use our gift online mashallah people can benefit from his doubt
in a lot of the questions and answers that he has posted over there
what's your opinion? I think we think about this issue is very nice to know
answer wanted to like we don't
Yeah, and I was on
my show notes like maybe 3am Therefore I am there
mashallah, you know, he's still on with us. We're doing a class tomorrow with him in regards to the scholars of mela wanna, you know, the scholars of beyond the river in Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, I may be missing some of the names of the countries but we set up the title The
Pakistan or Hindustan not by Hindustan okay. No,
we will we will in Pakistan is not that back. So
before you send him a Pakistan Pakistan is my job is behind
Muhammad, you know, my brother just came out in Pakistan for 40 days. So he still has a lot of the
a lot of love for Pakistan.
hamdulillah but the idea is that
did not know makan is because of the machina have love for the country. He's just saying that pretty much because what's happening there and the people there, he has left for the country, not just one specific person and we just move the move Tucker with money, of course have with a whole lot. So she will we'll get to that discussion, too. But, you know, the diversity of scholarship has many opinion topics. And I'm sure I was watching you guys spoke about a good portion of partisan had to join late as we had some guests here, aside from he was finishing the part where, like, some of the abilities to recognize a good scholar, what have you, but
yeah, I think that we can just wrap that part up. And then I just want to talk about maybe some one or two countries. But yeah, I think it's just the way people just need to take seriously, you know, I think there's one thing that I think that I wanted to say about this, that
ally more authority, or a scholar or someone who's of scholarship, and how you can recognize this, this is somebody who has stayed in the company of other great people, this has always been the criteria, you know, nowadays, we have all these, you know, degrees and certificates and before then we never used to have dark rooms and you know, institutions like we have now, you know, in the early times, how do people study? There will be no nobody graduated as an alum course, there was no Ireland course, there was no six year course or a seven year course there was no system like that in Bermuda, then bus Vancouver, they used to just stay in the company of Allah and a study and then the
chef has to give each other the you can still teach this and that's it. And they spend all their life.
Can you also tell us about how like, one of the ways that you should qualify as far as the Khaled talks about, like, how many times it traveled around? Like, the more you traveled, the more scholars that you met the world qualified your work.
Yeah, they travel all over. So I think this point is really important, that the focal which actually means, you know, a scene because aim is not just the information, it's also the Hikmah the wisdom, you know, the basura? What answer is required at what time? Sometimes the thing we were saying is right, but it's not the right time, you know, to say every item has a duty to number one, give the right answer number two in the right way, and number three at the right time. Sometimes it's right where you're saying it's correct, but it's the wrong time. Sometimes it's correct, and it's the correct time, but it's in the wrong way. So, it has to be right or you say the way you say it as
well as to be in a bill Hekmati well, more rather than Hashanah with wisdom, and lastly, it has to be at the right time. Because not you know, it might not be the appropriate time to say this particular thing. To all of this, people only learn. These things can't be just learned from books. These things can only be learned by staying in the company of people who have these qualities. Our scholars have always if you look past as well, every great scholar had a role model had a great chef that they adored they loved oh maybe two maybe three. Mr. Josie or mama
his whole life was based on loving and adoring and staying in the company of Tamia.
Imam, Imam saluti. Likewise, you know, he calls him 100 shareholders from shareholders launcher, here's my shuffle as long as my shuffling. Everybody has one person, it's always a connected chain. The Sahaba had that with the province, Robertson, the tambourine had that with the Sahaba, they have one or two or three people, sometimes one, whoever you have Manasa would, whoever you have this sort of, you know, connection with, and you stay in the company, and we stay in the sock, but there's no nothing better than when it's this. And I'm knocking my socks off, just like the soap type of stuff. But this is sort of, you know, even in the western sciences, you know, when you when you What did
they say, when you go for work, if you follow someone, Shadow, Shadow,
medicine career like, like you're using the example of how to tell a real scholar, even in the medicine medicine world, like if you and I walked into a hospital, we really can't tell a physician is because there's so many different medical practitioners walking around. Some are not physicians, some are just nurses, not just their nurses, some are NP, some are pas, some are physicians, some are surgeons, a normal person generally cannot tell because everyone is serving you in the hospital as a patient. But the moment the physician walks in the room, everyone that is serving you knows who the physician is, then
the nurse, the NPV, you know, the medical school student, the resident and American residency, they're all around your hospital bed. And they're all like working on the patient. But the moment the physician walks in, they'll step away for the docs Doc is here. So I see from that increment by Ron, that, you know, it's not necessarily the responsibility of everyone to know who to scholarship is because everyone's bringing benefit, but it's at least a responsibility of scholars to know who your scholars are respect to those that in the Maya, Father, like, we should be able to recognize people of the craft should be able to recognize this person. That's also not happening now. That's a
than general people like because if your whole team is benefiting, you respect him. If they're benefiting, you respect him. But if I'm the hottie, and I'm a teacher, like we're students of knowledge, the moment we see someone like Murphy talk to us, man, we know where we know where we stand, because we've seen that this man is a man of true scholarship suitable for to have a load of moolah are one of Turkey I mean, whoever these giants of scholarship are, but in the medicine world, they say that when a student graduates and he goes goes into residency residency in America, they literally serve four years under a real doctor.
And all they do is do what that doctor tells them to do.
Just do what he tells you. And no one knows, even though they make them work, like rather than starting residency now as well, if they make you work 20 hours a day, in human hours, but no one blinks an eye because it's something which is it's controlled growth to the person is being practically. So what you're saying, well, if it's up, it's it's a real phenomenon in every other field of work. But for some reason, in the work of, you know, the work of Dean, we choose to just ignore that aspect, because it's our fault, because we don't have connection to our teachers. And then that just continues.
I honestly think that sometimes this you know, staying in a company shadowing great people, gives you more benefit than the five, six years we study in classrooms. You know, I actually recently tweeted about this, that there's four ways of benefiting from scholars. And the highest of them, I felt was traveling with them staying in the company, that's more benefit in there than sitting with them in a classroom and study.
I honestly feel that you know, that
I you know, last year, December of 2020, I went to Pakistan. I was in Karachi for quite a while two weeks.
And we had a friend with me, a colleague who actually graduated from Darden production as well. So chef Multiplus told us, he said, Look, if you want to come in afternoon, into the office hours, you're welcome to come, you know, because he knew that we came for him. We told him everyday, we should go and sit there for three hours. He is busy with his work, different types of work. We just we don't talk to him. He doesn't talk to us. There's other people, people coming in people coming from meetings. He's doing online meetings. I mean, when we were there, he was so fascinating, because he his meetings were online with Tshabalala and miniapp. From Saudi, he's actually the
adviser to the Saudi government and head of the Kurata etc. These are all the Bahrain based IOP you know, scholars of Islamic finance before he used to go Bahrain for this, but it was because of the COVID
The time was online. So you can see all of them in our shell. This is all in Arabic. And we just sat on the sofa and just listening to him and you know, all of them the way they used to respect him with money, honestly, it's like he says something and everybody's an irascible line. In fact, they're closer. They're
like he used his final word. But you learned so much from his correspondence, just, I think, you know, even sting of hiking and sitting in the company, and just observing gives you a lot of benefit. I tried to do that many times, even in 2001. When I went to just after I graduated from Tulum, Karachi, I went to hear later.
And I did that for about a month, I asked him, I said, can I just come and sit in the office of 61 corner? I won't say anything. So he said, Okay, so every day, in his office, I was an afternoon 11 o'clock, I quietly go into the corner of the office and sit in a corner of the chair, I wouldn't even say salam because he'll be busy writing something on the phone for two hours, when he finishes, I'll just go away, just to see what he's doing. Honestly, that gives a lot of benefits. So I think this is this is really important for our young scholars and graduates to stay in the company.
If not physically if it's difficult, then at least constantly stay in the company like it may be contact them, talk to them online, at least you know, Mullah Indra Pula, who nitro kukula. If you can't get everything, then at least don't leave everything.
This is a it's a privilege, you know, you have to have the enthusiasm and the drive to do this. And honestly, this the striving to learn knowledge man, man, the the, you know,
millennial learned and what
they had written, my brother that was his, that was one of his code lines, learning knowledge, and aspiring even the graduates of a maximalist College, staying in their company is so powerful, and your Scott your father, Marshall, let us call himself so mashallah you had been game, you were privileged to have scholarships from your childhood. And now you're moving around the world trying to find more opportunities of learning. So, I normally say one of the greatest blessings I feel of Allah upon me is that since I opened my eyes, I just saw scholars, books, you know, I can remember just seeing Black Books and Green books and you know, this book and that I remember how difficult it
is to have a black covering and, you know, leather kind of cover when I was about five years old, I remember I used to play with the pages and modify parameters at the seat of official because my father used to have all these books. We still have tons of scholars coming from all over the world. Now that my father is oh no, but that time these two and he's come to the UK, this come to Leicester and they all just come to my house.
I've seen you know, all sorts you know, from the subcontinent, from Pakistan from India. Even the Imam of haram Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdullah, Supriya who's passed away now he was the mom of Romaine. He came to my house actually sat in his lap and traded his beer and etc. Even shoot pictures into my house once before but that was later on. But if you're looking at you know from subcontinent more than a sedimentary, he used to come every year and see my father every year is to eat at my house. Chicago happens monkeys to speak on my house with the model as a gumbo hero has to a 96 he stayed three, four days on my house chef used to be John we used to come every year from Pakistan every
stay one night. At my house stay one night it is a Sienese lab. And it is let's go to so many from India and Pakistan. I've seen all of them sat in all of the laps.
privilege and this is why Allah Swanton has put this for a reason, right? Like you don't know what voie of what scholar hit you when you're pulling their beard. And, you know, and that there's a reason why today you are aspiring what you're aspiring, you are thirsty, that you know how the manuka
is multilevel. You know, like, how even my husband humble when he's heard the story of Dr. Mohammed Al Andalusi, who traveled all of them. And then he came to to Baghdad, and remember him that Hammond was under house arrest. And he had a very interesting way to learn not just in the 10th century, you know, 19th century that when he would sit in and of course, I'm not saying the whole story, but the whole story so I'm understand the story.
In a summary, he heard this guy was from Anglos right from Spain in Montreal at that time, Spain was growing at the peak of knowledge. And after I met a duck and he had entered into Spain by 750 by by the eighth in the ninth century, the Masha kotoba became the Xena to the island with a central place of knowledge and scholars came out from there Imam Imam poor to be himself Kim the 12th and 13th century the entire
Okay, so you have this caller about keeping Muhammad elusive music around 200 500 You know, and he travels by foot through Africa to meet Imam I'm a bit humbled when he gets to two but closer to the doors of buck that someone told him he is he's under house arrest. Oh, he's like, Man, I'm ready made it this far I gotta read, I gotta read it. I really have to meet him at my home in Hamburg. So he walks in and he goes to the jungle, Mr. Buddha. And there are scholars and students gather around a scholar that's giving the lecture. So he sits in the lecture. And then he asks, Who is this person who is more in Greek scholar, you know, at that time a student
and, you know, in, nevertheless, he, he goes to the he finally, after the gathering disperses, he walks into the great scholar of mine who's teaching and he asked some questions about other scholars, and then he gives us the knock. He gives us constructive criticism on academic forms. Then he asks about his shamon, Amar and other scholars of Damascus and other scholars. Finally, he says, I want to ask you about someone whose name is Mohammed bin humbard. So, for instance Mithuna look Shifu and Hamad bin Hanbal Imam and Muslim me like you want you want me to tell you about a monochromatic series. Let me give you my Imam on the Muslim in waterfall little home. Well, you
know, he's the greatest of the Muslims I can give you my my opinion. He's just a great human. Finally he goes to the my my husband handles house, he finds his house, knocks on the door. And he says he
opens the door. Is that what's going on? It's just to the mechanics, a little bit new companies have come from so far what it learns from knowledge of Hadith from you to Muhammad was is was an accent Margaret. He said, I come from the far west. Remember him and Amber says war, Africa, women, everything is an admin dark further than from Africa. So where did you come from? He said, I came from Honduras is a wow, you can move forward. But he's, he's like, I'm sure you've heard of my situation. Right? He said, I heard of your situation. But I was already at the entrance of your city and I couldn't go back. So he said, Please, I want to learn from you. He said,
The humble the student 20 years old.
I want to come as a beggar every single day. You know, zeal, hallelujah. I will make that I'll disguise myself as a beggar or come to your street. I'll make noise as a beggar. And then you come outside pretending to give me some money or some food and you give me a narration or two. And I'm happy with that. You remember having to have assists Allah.
me one condition that you can't tell anybody from the circle of knowledge is between you and me. He said, he's like sharp, we get this deal done. And he would come every morning he would tire rubber on his head. He will have a staff in his hand. And he said to us and He will come like agile, agile, you know, guys, there's reward helped me Help me Help me I need some support. And he was sneaky would knock on the door and open the door. Make space for him, and give him 123 generations like this and collected 1000 What the 300 narrations.
Finally, the Khalifa who was abusing him, the leader died. Next leader comes in Hamburg goes to the masjid his respect and honor. Of course Allah gives him more respect. When the Haven Muhammad Rahim Allah al Andalusi, will ensure
that humble This is Imam Muhammad, the numbers are the practice that 1000s of people who will see this man coming in, you have Salah who allege this he would he would make everybody move out of the way and he says let him come close them composed and he will bring him close to him. He's a had my Yato Allah He is to tolerable. This is the man who is eligible to be called the student of knowledge.
He said then he would tell everybody my story how I came what I did, but this is what's Mufti Mohammed bin Adam looks like right now honestly, traveling. What moved to Turkey sub to the lands of the spoils of moonwalk. And I want to transition there. And you can tell us a little bit about that with this.
You shall buy me like helps me sure we'll we'll do it. It's called like a couple of hours a small course tomorrow on it. But I mean, those lands are quite historical, especially with Pakistan. But you have Bihar of a mom who is from entertainment and then you know, the whole our own transaction. Do you know the whole area, they're great Hanafi jurists well from there. There's a lot of scholarship but there's a lot of history as well how Islam entered there from the time just at the time was to have more one home. So inshallah we will look at that tomorrow but I just wanted to before that instead of that.
Also talk about like, you know, just just in a few minutes,
some of the other like the current day scholars
ship that we have in different parts of the world. A lot of people are acquainted and familiar with, let's say, the Indo Pak or I don't know if there or not, but indo Pak we have a mental you get in a lot of people from originally from Pakistan, for example. So axon is mashallah it's full of
Dalu blooms on modalities and scholars, you know, we have the physical modalities under which there's 1000s of modalities, but just in Karachi, you know, there's four amazing major institutes in in Pakistan. And why I'm mentioning this because there's something I want to mention this for probably the phone really big, big religious seminaries. One is the Darling Karachi. And alum Karachi is it's unique and I don't know if you've gotten Karachi visited.
You know, it's Yeah. You mentioned that you have moved to don't have this Buhari in Karachi.
said about it. Yeah. So I was when we were in Binoy. Town, but yeah, we used to go visit
quite often. And we're able to benefit from him. Office. Yeah, I used to. But I'm telling you know, people will not sit down because you can't really
you can't explain. You know, I just recently wrote a book as well, two weeks in Pakistan. And I talked about that in Karachi, some pictures in there, based on my visit in December is it's unique. It's amazing. But download, I'll just give them I'll do a simple I'll try to explain it by saying think about a major university campus in America because England is no different because you guys have small streets, smaller cars. But America really comes in big sizes, right? In America, the campuses like the University of Michigan, or any of these major campuses, think about that. But in Islamic Seminary in Karachi, and that's what the old uncle Archie is pretty limited three acres of
It's like a city. It's a walled city. You have hospitals in the you have cafeterias in the you have hospital and you have parks in the you have a massive Grandmaster in which 30,000 people right now can pray in one given time. And that's just in the middle. No, all area this is just the mercy 30,000 people it's a mismatch.
And the Hadith clap auditoriums like 500 students as the auditorium seats going up. Every student has a mic and everybody know it's a unique system. So that's the volume in Karachi were moved it up with money is with money. Then you have this, the mother said they used to do that, which is the second really big one in Pakistan. It's also in Karachi, which is geometer alumina Islamia in the binnorie town area of Karachi. This was established by Sheikh Mohammed use of Inula Impala that's one of the dual hub studies. Yeah, this will be used in a study, der in Karachi was established by Sheikh Mufti Muhammad Shafi Rahim Allah the father of multiple of money, the author of the famous
commentary maarif luperon, which is also in English. So the Nolita mother size is huge it's massive and it's mashallah it's very popular, especially foreign students should listen to Dr. Euro him Hola. Used to be there. I was very, he was very close to my father, very close. That's why we never used to come every year to the UK where we stood inviting me to say no. First thing I'm going from Blender Heathrow Airport to Leicester and comes to to our house stays one night, the next day. Take us wherever he's to be a teacher there. Dr. Kinder Rahim Allah who just passed away I once traveled. When I was studying in Ireland, he on a plane from Karachi to someone Punjab news, it was so
With three with two people on my right hand seat in the plane, I was in the middle seat on their seats right next to me on the right was after the results Canada, and the seat left was 15 examinations. And I also had him for both of them. There was nobody else. And we went and we came back together. It was a morning flight, we went and came back. But there's a story behind why that happened. But anyway, we're gonna turn institution just to give people insight about the second one of shifting. So
we have a strongest bow to them, just not just because we studied there, but also now our students are center and Hungary of like how you do move turkey. So we have a very, very close relationship with all the teachers. They're one of the things that are unique about this seminary. And this is how you understand what we're talking about the diversity of scholarship, that diversity in institutions as well, where ships have been normalise institutions, I mean, Jammie jams about aluminous lemmya in Karachi is perhaps the opposite end of the spectrum and compared to Dalton, Karachi, where it has no amenities. It has only one mic and the entire class. It has extremely,
extremely basic basic necessities for students. You're taking sharp your showers or you know really old your you don't have no AC coming from America. You know, we had to stay in rooms that we have, you know, on the floor. We didn't we didn't have
When you call foreign hostile hostels like you haven't done them Karachi, you had absolutely no heat and even in the winter, so it was the opposite end, you sit on the floor, there's no high tech classrooms. But yet, there's a certain level of comfort in any that you find there. I don't think I've experienced anywhere else in this world. It's like when people used to ask earlier the Allahu Anhu that how were you able to sleep? When you were laying in the bed of the prophets of Salaam, and you had the entire gangs of muck outside of your door with spears and swords ready to slaughter you? Are you able to sleep? And he said, Well, he was able to sleep as not better that day than the rest
of my life. Because Allah has sent serenity upon me to be able to sleep. So this institution is very different in regards to his external look, per se, but they're doing the same thing. So I think this is important because it's not necessary that we have to have everything the same or institutions had to look the same. They have to have the same luxury, as long as the effort is the same and as long as the outlook is the same. It was I think, almost gonna be some pictures. You know, because he just went there
No, no, Masha, Allah, Allah, Allah, He is very good. I mean, I just wanted to show the book I just recently wrote, This is the one two weeks in Pakistan. Wow, beautiful, Mashallah. It's quite thick as well. It's about 140 pages. Beautiful girl pitches, volume, Karachi picture, beautiful. But in there, I've got a section on the no return address. And because I visited that in the in the trip as well. So we have pictures here, and then all about encouraging pictures. And then we get to other seminaries in Karachi, and I've written briefly about the different seminaries. Yeah, the different ones I visited. This is the one who says Jeremy Blum and Islamia binnorie town, who started it, what
is the whole page on that?
And then another page and and these are the pictures, these are the graves of shuffles of renewal, etc. And that's the picture, your mother is
absolutely beautiful. Our brother Rahimullah came back three months after, you know, standing there for two year to two plus years finishing off his studies. And I'm telling you, I'm the next brother older than him, this person had transformed not only externally, but internally like this man had a different type of
different type of Outlook. He is his physical his level of concern his level of I mean, I was I was I was I mean son was one year now.
I was I was saying to some of the students today as if he was, if he was a little lower to give them life will lower than what would have happened, but he had such zeal, enthusiasm and talent to do so much work that came from those two years. It didn't come from I don't know if any came from anything else and shared with
you. If you walk into their jammies, Amelia. Gentlemen, we talk today. And you say to any teacher, I know of the Rahim, Wahid don't kiss your hand. Because when he was there for two years, he served the teachers like a slave. It was coming from America. Right? Right. So students are coming to America, Canada, England, wouldn't have normally a chip on our shoulder, like, I came here, I'm here, that's good enough. But when a person goes beyond that, and is getting top marks, as you know, we should all try to do the best we can. It's gone is amazing. But at the same time, you know, doing what he's supposed to do to serve teachers and make teachers smile and make them laugh. People tell
me that when he would walk in the hallway, he would have just to remind me know, he was a son of shepherds have been naughty, he would wrap his soul around him and walk with him. And they would have, they would literally be walking together for hours talking. And for those who are watching, I know how good my brothers are doers.
I know. It wasn't that good. Right? But it's not language. It's not language barriers. It's not, you know, I can speak. It's about love. Right? If you love one another, and if that person has love for you, it's it's definitely contagious. Right? There's a connection that he does is
he came back here, almost two years. And it was he was a changed person. And you could tell it was not it was not a front because it was deep. We slept on the same bed, and I can I know what time he wakes up with the hedge funds, and I know what he was doing. But
there was a change personality, right? And for all those are watching, it's not that we all have to become doctors, to respect doctors. We respect doctors because they save lives. It's not that we all have to become scholars gonna Eileen Omata, Eileen, almost me and my husband. But we should appreciate the concept of what people have to go through to give up their entire life and then sometimes come back and not see the fruits of it like him. Right. And like many others that are passed away before they were able to see their work coming to fruition. But so these universities, these institutions, we have great level of respect and love like people do have
Yale, Harvard and these institutions in America, I'm sorry to cut you off. I know you mentioned other two institutions. But I want you to make sure before you leave, speak about other scholars and other countries that you're going to speak about. Those names can also come to light for everyone. Yeah, I'll just finish up this and then we'll just a few moments and then. So we said the dollar and Karachi and the granola tun madrasa. The other two really big ones. One is in Bhutan, which is hydrometers, which was initiated by Chef monana Maha Magellan, the lira. It's a very, very amazing I went there as well. And then in Lahore, this Jeremy I Shafia. Very, very big Institute in Lahore.
These are four major rooms in Pakistan. But the significant thing is all four of them. The people who started them, they are all direct, great students of the man himself came along my chef, Maulana Chavez.
He was the man behind. He was the man behind Pakistan. He was the one who campaigned for Pakistan. It's because of him Pakistan came into existence. He told all his students like Morticia Federman, everybody, you guys all soft tissue. Now everybody campaigned for Pakistan. We need independent Islamic country. There was a lot of opposition, but this was his vision, and he passed away before Pakistan was created. Otherwise he wouldn't be the first person to move into Pakistan. When all his students did Hitler. Allah left Gilbane and he did his job. He was a Mufti of Dahlem Diovan, he made another dog in Karachi, and which is today probably even more popular than the dollar and the urban
itself. And Chef Jalandoni he moved to Milan. Mufti Mohammed Hassan Rahim Allah, he was the person who started a Shafia. He also moved to LA. And he started and chefs will be nor is also student.
All these machines, but it's all the baraka is the tannery baraka to be honest. And then our handler in India, we have our own Durban done. We have always been to
many modalities. I mean, just to finish up the list, like if you're looking at in India, and you'll see Darren Dugan is a very big mother served in the Sahara on port one, where Chef mom has a career I was shuffling a leaf and taught and a great, great, major seminary. And then you have the network of alumni as well. And then you have well, you have all these wishes in Pakistan. But in other countries, I mean, I
this takes a lot of time, but I also have the lower head option to stay in Syria in
2001 and 2002.
I stayed for two years in Syria.
And that was an experience. It opened up my eyes to a complete new world. Because I studied environment very first eight years here in the UK, after which I went to Syria.
It was a very different experience. And you know, I got to know a lot of different people, different scholars, different ways of doing things. There were a lot of Hanafis and chauffeurs. But you can learn from different flavors. You know, the dean, there is a correct Dean but you don't have the old ice creams but all ice creams are one flavor. But there's still ice creams. You have you have a store strawberry flavor here are some things are not ice cream, and that's problematic.
Ice cream like the McDonald's
it's something else it's fake. It just sounds like it looks like ice cream but when you taste it, but within proper slumming scholarship, there are different flavors. And we respect we know people have you use like a particular flavor. But you appreciate respect to everybody. So if you like ice cream, see like all ice cream. I mean, you might favor a particular flavor. So you have these different flavors. Even within within the subcontinent. You don't like multiple housing, the no return has a different flavor within the same, you know, same city and not just same month have Muslim you know, same is another word I'm looking for the same like
same background, but still the flavor is a bit different from one madrasa to another. So in Syria as well. It's kind of like it was amazing. I mean, I stayed in I stayed in Damascus.
The scholars that I really, really kind of
was taken aback by I would say I
was really impressed by
Chef Mohammed say that I'm abandoned booty. Shaheed Rahim Allah who was martyred was actually killed, you know?
Five, six years ago,
I used to attend he used to have an dusts in JAMA Toliman, which is a massive machine in the center of Damascus. Every Monday and Thursday, he used to give it to us people used to come middle from different cities. There's one few people used to fly from Alabama.
Jordan from Jordan has to come once a week to understand a thing he taught for over 20 years Ram Prasad. He was still continuing every Thursday in between McGraw Venetia. It was packed students of knowledge would come public would come on Monday to teach a commoner pious icicles with a Monday one tomorrow. Salah is trying to pray in His Masjid was Jonah Hartwell was amazing. I mean he was on morphine. Caleb here is author of 8090 books. Dr. Booty
I got to know his son very well. Very good made friendship with him but he was very difficult to get close to him he was because he used to get mocked all the time it was shot several wrong booty was very high level.
But then also there was somebody could shake up the result a hell of Euro him haha, he passed away around 2014 He was in German Roma, we used to call him share hope or Russian, or locker or the attorney, the Quran, Hadith,
of Quran all used to come from him, he was 40 of the handshake. He was a chef of most of the machines
that I got to recite the whole Quran to him. I remember when I was young, but again, through memory.
Really jazz, I've got it actually on my I'm actually not at home at the moment, I'm actually have content that I've listed here. So
I have it on the wall, because we're just going to be soon so I thought I'll just stay away from pleasure. And then Fraser and then go home and sleep too.
100, I've got a massive, would you call it, it's this big, he feels very good. There's massive. And in there, he's written the whole, put my name down and the students read the Quran to me.
And you have a choice if you want to just just to have some awesome minds just have some housing, it might take another two three years if you have to do other people used to do and with
that I read the whole Quran and the pearl be like through memory to my chef who ready to share the whole list? Is there a grid through the whole there's about four to eight names that goes all the way to say you know, because the DeCordova who and who says what workman when I find to the Prophet sallallahu alayhi salam who took the Quran from Ukraine and
Georgia. So this is a standard of the Quran.
From the chef to all the way to Allah subhanaw taala you know how we have sent it just an idea this is
we don't have this too much in the subcontinent of Quran. So that's what was the lesson I need to do this. So I used to go every day like this will be a line of students wants to read by him. I know you just spent like 10 minutes, 15 minutes. In the beginning, I just get five minutes 10 minutes in I used to print one page from and I said this is gonna take a long time, I think five years I'm here for two years. How am I going to do this finish my Quran in two years. Really, Tim? I don't need to memorize I know because I really memorize it, but still, there's no chance I want you to read the quote or you know, like, if I can do it in three, four months. So anyway, I got a bit close to him
and you know, got to know him and he started liking me and you know and then he started giving me more time and he speaks to Houston off he was able to do is to say funny low, you know, and things like that. And so hamdullah Houston when I used to come into town we come come with no problem. He was he was really old. 80s
There's some YouTube videos of I've heard of them so much. So I'm in a community in here, Michigan, where all my 80% of my community is Syrian. Ah, okay. A lot of many of them have studied and spend time with
Sheffield reserve and Herradura Ramallah and then there's other people don't shift to summer refine. He's still alive. He's in Turkey right now. He's, he's visited us here in Michigan. She also modified.
I used to attend to his lessons and he's had a brother kosher. Sorry, Rifai. There was a friend of mine who's a teacher slash French Moogerah. He's actually in Turkey right now. Amazing. He's a student of Chef.
But he was a friend as well to mine too. He wasn't he wasn't much older than me.
But also a teacher in high school at his house. And as you know, I sit with him and read I read the Dubrow with him a lot of different books and just talk to him. He's amazing.
He's in Tokyo. They've all moved to Tokyo. He actually now in Turkey has the roots of Buhari in the massage to love Turkish students. And many students who are they will absolutely love him.
Somebody called Chuck while humble used to study at a time at the same time as being is a very good friend of mine. If you see him on social media, hammered while and humbled. He's actually Hanafy but his name is Muhammad while and humbly very popular with Paula and he's a good friend of mine. I mean, I talked to him on what's happened we talked about
but amongst the other great scholarship writer, How can I forget him? So
you know, great Muhaddith I got to know him really well. Around with Raj didn't
He was still alive. He passed away when I was there. But he was bedridden.
Nobody could go meet him basically, you know, there was once an opportunity that I could have gone to the news but difficult.
He wasn't hallelujah. I went to a few times visited hudec, you know, just had some friends.
There was a hell of a student from Halloween to study with me. And then he insisted, he said, You have to come and stay with us for a week. So I attended one of the weddings there Halaby wedding and he was just amazing. He had a different experience of
us as well. And there was there was a chef in France that I used to know as well. But Moodle, tries to go to his house every week.
He's, you know, the He is the Great White Death of Sharm. He recently passed away two, three years ago. I remember once
from from Syria, I was going to Karachi for just two three either found a ticket or something. I was just going for three weeks just to go Karachi and come back to Pakistan. So I checked in with the writer. So he said to me, are you going do you have any space in your luggage? I want to send some of my books to share when I'm talking with money as a gift. He loves Shut up with money, he actually write a certain volume. So I said, Yeah, I said, I'm just going like, student don't have much Singlish taking my clothes. So I've taken from one to Charlize. So he asked me how much I selected take this much. They said come to come to my house the day before. You know when you want a date two
days before, I'll keep the books ready.
So, two days before I went to his house.
His son opened the door and sit down. Chair came downstairs and those two puzzle books.
Except this one part is for you. All his books. Wow. The file for Chapter nine. Wow, what a generous person he gave me. I hold his books as heavier, all of them
the 1520 books that he all his books, gave it to me it was it was amazing. Wow. How about it? How old? Were you? Was he around at that time? He was I think around but I didn't get to read him or
anything like that. I mean, those are the means when there was somebody else for sure. Come to Latif for food.
He passed away in Malaysia there's actually four for food brothers. For some of them for food is still there. What do you do for food he just recently passed away and you have another brother, the eldest one who is the son of Chef Mohamed Salah al for full show Hello sorry for food is like the grandchild of all the Syrian teachers. All of these people have talked about his everyone's teacher was like the cannery of Syria.
So his son, Chef combo, luckily for furan Hassani.
He actually went to Malaysia when the pillow problems and Syria so he moved to Malaysia and passed away in 2014. I got to know him very well, very close to him.
He treated me like a son. He actually wrote a foreword for me and my books as well. But I
knew he was amazing.
I'm just No, I'm just envious, because some of the names that you've said, I wish I had seen them forget to study from them. And I read their books. And I just marvel at the writings. You know, this is this is just a reflection of who they were. That is one sorry to what you just said that you know, you feel, you know, like a sense of remorse. I didn't meet someone that's one person but I feel the remorse and this will remain for my life. I was I could have met him you know, it wasn't like it wasn't before my time. It wasn't that I wasn't born was shareholder.
He passed away in 97 never got to meet him. But mashallah, you know his sons?
Yeah, I met all of them.
There's one or two in Canada as well. Yes, granddaughter is married. He lives in Canada. And I mentioned
to somebody else in Syria, one of my teachers chef Mustafa Al when he was called the Allama to school, alum of the Sunni scholars. I actually met his son in Toronto was it knows Toronto was it? Michigan, I think was in Chicago.
One of the programs actually, after the program, I was invited. He came to meet me with his son and he said, I'm the son of Sheikh Mustafa, as well as my teacher. Wow. It wasn't Chicago.
He wasn't in Syria. Yeah, he was he was. He used to live like five minutes away from me and his brother Muhammad. So Haley now lives in Kentucky.
He lives here and he was visiting here in Michigan. I was just with him.
Yeah, he's written a lot of books also, as well. Yeah.
Mashallah, I mean,
I asked him about his Ultra poly salami. We're delighted to who I said how do you write this? He said I wrote it every morning. I start at 4am till 11pm for X amount of time
here's X amount of years, non stop. The only thing I used to go for Salah, which is around the corner, and Hajah to the beetle, hello forest ranger and food, and that's it. Nothing else 4am till 11pm Every single day for about seven years, we weren't for people normally 13 volumes, volumes.
It's a masterpiece.
But I mean, sure, I think all like everything that you just said. It just speaks volumes in regards to how you know anyone have any certain niche will appreciate the people of that niche like sports, and so on and so forth. And the names that you're saying, many people might not know the names, many people might not even remember the names. The fact is, everyone should everyone's able to remember that you remember the names and you feel honor and seeing the names you feel pleasure in saying the names because you were able to benefit from those colors and be in there sort of up. But the point you were making when you when you digressed into the Syrian scholars discussion was the diversity of
scholars all across the world, and how in every country, in every subcontinent or every continent, there are scholars who are doing great work at their own level, providing so much for the world to take from. And that takes us to the topic and discussion that scholarship has always found their ways into different countries. It's not necessary that scholarship enter the country through government scholarship, but enter countries at times even before the government was established. And, you know, to the readings of Kufa and Baghdad are one of the Alana sent many governors, they're from Southern law cause not short but and they're always challenges and then he decided that I'm
gonna stand alone Mr. Woods, and he will be the new will be the spiritual leader in the sense of teacher of that community. And maybe this will make a difference and that it's that's what changed the area. Some of the discussion of how scholarship always entered the different communities is a discussion that we will be having tomorrow on our claim class. But just for the audience to understand that scholarship is not was not necessarily confined to money into our market and macabre.
After some time it went to Iraq Kufa of that which became the center the mecca of knowledge. And some time later, it went to what we call now whether or not the place beyond the sea. These countries that were mentioning in Africa some time even moved from there, in that teaches us that Allah subhanaw taala can use can take the work in the service of knowledge from anyone. It's not based on the color of our skin. It's not based upon our language. It's not based upon our upbringing. It's based upon Allah accepting a certain group of people, individuals that put sacrifice and time into this. So today, it's an it's all across the world. But it can enter anyone's
home you can enter anyone's lives as long as we already to our land is fertile enough to accept a hadith the prophet for Salah more knowledge, just like water, it's very similar to water there's only two two objects that Allah uses the verb unzila for in the Quran. One is generally Allah uses for Hadith as well. But Allah uses it for water and Allah uses for y. And then Quran ends in the map. And they're both very similar because they can cultivate land and make it fertile and it can bring life to it. And in order for us to accept it, we have to be fertile enough we have to soften our hearts and inshallah hopefully it can benefit us but maybe you can spend a few minutes talking
maybe a minute or two, just talking about wide knowledge spread this land and ensure the rest we'll talk about more in our class, which lands the lands or just generally just generally how it moved and why.
We like me the mumble while he was Madina Munawwara of course and from there
you know many of the recent scholars have said impatient with the Fatah Beholder akmola is to repeat this quite a bit. That knowledge, you know, moved initially was Medina, Malik Donnell Asia, the place of Asia or the case of why afterwards he moved to towards Baghdad and Iraq and sham area Syria, Damascus.
And then he moved to the our our area. And and you know, this amazing thing is that in each era,
there's been a part of the world where it's become prominent in terms of knowledge. So knowledge has been everywhere. But Allah chooses certain parts of the world at certain times of the time of certain eras for scholarship to be prominent, and shepherd for double what they used to say, especially Hadith knowledge. The last century said he's moved to the subcontinent. That's where your scholarship is now.
It was like that in the last I don't know if he still is, but it was like that in the last America now maybe with you guys they're much more wise is moved to America.
there's all these it's all of these countries have imagined. No, a lot of people forget Spain.