He Doesn’t Accept Religion Because of Women’s and LGBTQ Rights

Mohammed Hijab


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The speakers discuss the need for a Dawa center in Norway for men and women to express their beliefs and explore the issue of gay pride and gay sex. They argue that men and women are not just identical, but the same as the secularists who have a history of neutrality. The future of life is dependent on the state of the world, and conversion is not a negative thing.

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So we're just going around and asking people who was doing a social experiment, or just the knowledge of the Norwegian people, as it relates to Islam as a religion. Okay, if I was to ask you about Islam, what would you say the first thing springs to mind when I say the religion of Islam? Allah? Okay.

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What would you aside from the religion itself the practice, of course, I asked you to expound a little bit more,

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I will say,

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mostly related to men and women are not the same rights and

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something else.

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We talk a lot about words, the older men are more power than the younger. And

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usually, so if that was the case, you should be quite happy man. You should be

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only kidding. You're very young man. Of course, yeah. In spirit and an appearance. But I was gonna say, look, I mean, these are the kinds of things we're trying to, in a sense, not challenged, but trying to discuss Salus because it's true to say that Islam has a different worldview, than say, for example, Western enlightenment thinking. I mean, some people go to different extremes on on this issue, some deny that there's any difference at all, which is unintelligible and not true. And some don't. Some say that actually, those the differences are so much that there cannot be any cooperation. And I think what we're trying to do is we're trying to establish a middle ground here.

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What do you think of that approach?

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I would say, I think most people would be much happier if they

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leave in other people and not so much in with

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God or Allah or anything. I think I think more I'll believe more in people than in any religion. Yes. Okay. But then the question is this is that, you know, when we talk about belief in a general sense, right? You said at first we said, What is Islam? He said, God or Allah, right? Do you believe in God? Or? I'm not sure. Do you believe in God? Or do you know? I mean, most most Scandinavian people now I think it's one of the most atheist societies or at least agnostic religious societies in the world. What if you're an individual who has seen maybe I'm guessing that he's 50 years old?

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Conservative and all that, that is a surprise. I was gonna say that most people you've seen maybe a shift between a more religious Scandinavia, and the less religious one, what do you think the turning points were?

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Because when I said that the priests and then leader positions view of the homosexual and women that is the board makes that make the difference? Because if they don't accept homophily, how awful people are the women, then I don't respect them. Oh, I see what you're saying. Even if this man converts now, which, let's say games convert, but it doesn't mean anything. If there's not an aftercare program, there's not someone to speak to them if there's not someone to help them. And we need to help them by clicking the link below right now, because this is the biggest outreach program in Scandinavia. So click the link below. And we'll be able to do this project where we can do this

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So in a sense, it seems like your biggest qualms against religion in general, is gender equality, and LGBTQ rights. Okay, can I challenge this a little bit in a second? So let's say for the sake of argument, let's assume that the Abrahamic religions like Islam, Christianity, Judaism, all three of them,

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you can interpret them in their most traditional form as separating the rights between men and women in some cases. Yeah. And also suggesting that homosexuality is a sin. Okay, let's just assume that those two things are true. Okay. If I were to say, what's the evidence against those two notions what would you say as someone who's like Western enlightenment process? Some people are women and some people are a whole faith homosexual? Yeah, that's, that's, that's against? I can you can say that one peep one person less worthy than the other and that's why if once people say I'm homosexual, then he's just less worthy. And anyone who says he's not

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I can see where you're coming from in terms of human worth, and this person is a human, this person is a human. So what we're seeing here is something a little bit different, which is that if I were to ask you this question, why is homosexuality, okay? Morality, for example, like, in other words, where do you get your right and wrong from? Where do you where do you understand what's right and what's wrong because they exist with one person have no legs, and another has no arms, and one people are homosexual, and no one is

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dumb or is just, it's just, it's just another type of human is nothing different. Nothing, she said that it's more right or wrong.

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Except in terms of how people are, yeah, this person is not better than that person on basis on that that person has certain feelings of the opposite gender, that the other one doesn't have, or that person has legs with that person doesn't have legs. That person is a man that passes on. To be fair to steal, man, the opposition, I think all three religions could argue that that's the case we would agree like, for example, Christians, Muslims and Jews, all of them will say that, okay, we're not saying that there's anything wrong with a person just because they have those things. But what they're saying is that these actions, for example, these beliefs are problematic. Now, my question

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is, where do you get your beliefs that this is right, and this is wrong? How do you ascertain what's right and what's wrong? Because

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I mean, it's just

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I mean, it's just accept you have to accept whatever it is, and what I feel is that the most religion like Muslims and Christians, and Jews, they all are made by men. We think they want power over other and if they say, Allah said, told me, then he said, Okay, then our told me then you have to do what I do. Because I say because I, I have my my words from Allah. Who can say that nobody, what was your name again? My friend tall, tall. Yeah. Tora. Tora. Like,

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I believe in the northern. Yeah. Okay. So I was gonna say this is that now everyone gets there, right and wrong from somewhere. Okay. Now, you've said that religion, the people that get religion unless for the sake of argument, say, okay, most of the religions have protagonists, which are male. And the assumption from a secular mind, of course, is that these male males themselves created the religion, and therefore they're doing it for self interest. Okay, so I understand the argument. I'm saying that even notwithstanding that argument, for example, you saw in the 21st century in 2023, you've gotten your right and wrong from somewhere, right? Yeah. So if you were, if you were born 400

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years ago, your right and wrong, would have been different, maybe, right? That's believable. And because the society that you would have lived in, for example, when they were worshipping Thor, in the Nordic regions, right, for example, would have been a different one. So they might have believed in the very same things, as Christians and Jews and Muslims believe in now, right? 400 years ago, maybe even 100 years ago, frankly, maybe your grandfather, or even your father might have had those beliefs. Now, what I'm saying is, how do you know that those beliefs, those set of beliefs are true? Today in 2023? Nobody can tell. Okay, I know.

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The only thing is matter is hair now and can't prove anything what's happened before? And it's like, this is how I think it is I get it. So I think that what we need to remember here, because I think when it comes to religion, right, in general, people have kind of like a discourse, which is that we are the secularists, for example. We are the neutral in the party we have, we assume neutrality and the religious is not neutral, right. But what I'm saying is what I'm trying to propose to you is actually the secularism is not a neutral proposition. Liberalism is not a neutral proposition. Pro LGBT is not a new proposition. The idea that men and women are not just identical, we'll just say

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the equal and enrolls, for example, is something which is not a neutral proposition. These are all propositions which require evidence themselves. Which is why I'm saying that when I brought back to your life, your life, you're 50 years of living, whatever is that you must have seen the change. At what point in your life did you decide actually, this was what I'm going to take my right and wrong from? And this is what yeah, this is what I'm telling you. I don't know what I am just,

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I mean, the small, you know, this, lets less you know, in a way and life goes on. I know, I was supposed to show when I was 15. And I know, because yeah, I think everything is

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and I'm happy with that. I think it's okay. It's okay not to know and I think that's the most wrongly with all the relation that they think they know the truth and that's not

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understand what do you ever consider death? Yeah. And when you consider death, what do you what do you think about that? How do you make sense of that? I think that is a very good question. Because then I think I think it's done. It's over. Like, like, you know, when something burns up, it's it's finished. I think that's life.

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This when you live and when you're not living your debt, I think it's is I understand what you're saying. But could you entertain the possibility that there will be a continuation of life after death?

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I'm I don't need it. I don't I don't need I? Of course it could be but who knows? Nobody will know. And I don't need to know, either. Because I just, I think it's exciting to live and I don't,

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I don't really think too much about what happens when that happens. Do you not know or do you not want to know? So? No, I do not know. We do not know. But do you want to know

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if I if I if I had an envelope in my pocket? Right, which sets you I have the definitive answer of what happens after death. Would you want to open that? I don't think so. I don't think

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on that bombshell, my friend. Thank you so much for your interview. It's been a pleasure talking to you, my friend. Thank you so much. Take care. Yeah.

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All right. What we saw there, interestingly, was the mindset of an individual who doesn't want to know doesn't want to understand but at least engaged with the issues. And it's not that you want to convert everybody in Norway, that's not the aim or objective. The objective is just to simply get people to think Spark, some kind of thought process in their mind. Pew Research has actually done research on the most racist countries in the world, and the least racist countries in the world. And they found that the most racist countries in Europe, for example, are those who have the least interaction with say, for example, people of different races. And likewise, someone can say the same

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thing about people of different religions, as well. And so just having these conversations already fulfills an objective of humanizing Muslim people, and encouraging normalizing discussions about religion and ethics, and putting us on somewhat of an even playing field in those discussions. So if it's not conversion, it's also at least going to be normalization. And so the Scandinavian initiative here, where the Tao outreach projects, which is attempting to normalize relationships between Muslim people and other people normalize Islam in this country, doing Dawa, and bringing people to Islam, strengthening the Muslim community is the biggest of its kind. So do you really

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want to miss an opportunity like this where you can encourage these kinds of discussions? It's kind of outreach, I don't think you do. And these are the efforts that were slammed that have sprung forward, of course, in creating this masjid, and Dallas, and so we're gonna have an outreach project, which will fulfill those two objectives in a way that's never been fulfilled before. It's having a Scandinavian history. And that's why I say click on the button below, and donate right now. Brothers and sisters, let me introduce you to Norway. This is a European country, where the vast majority of people have become religious, or 200,000. Muslims have a population of about 5 million,

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and most of these 200,000 Muslims have no idea how to explain Islam to their non Muslim friends and neighbors. But that means to change a law son, his messenger to call people to eternal success. And that is why Muslims in Norway are now establishing a masjid and our center to enhance the Norwegian Dawa. What they cannot do this alone, we need to support them. If you donate to this cause you will insha Allah reap the rewards. 1000s of Muslims coming back to Islam and many of those who become white, and invite slum you will share in the reward for all those shadows and good deeds to come in sha Allah. So click the link and donate now and share the video for extra road