Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal 3
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Hello, Hema Candela. Enemy salatu salam ala rasulillah hit I mean,
my bad. All right, what happened last week? So in our story where were we?
So okay, so we killed the moon last week in our story,
then what happened is well worth, it doesn't take over not
a law. Sorry, actually, the 30 month was the total. Yeah, he was in prison for a while until the halifa took care of things. But the total during the reign of an matassini stayed for 28 up to 30 months generation set. So it is. So it's not that he was waiting for that long, so I apologize for that. But
okay, but the debate started last time.
Not yet right.
Before sending him a supplement, Ibrahim.
Uh huh. He get he made a last attempt, right. And it didn't work. And so when he was taken on the journey to meet a person, so we said, the narration is from a man whose name is Philemon and said, Gee, he says, I came to the door of Al Matheson, and the people had gathered at his door as if it were the day of eight. So you can imagine now so many people there, all of them wanted to go in to see what the Imam would say. Now, notice this happens now after the exam started to speak, because I'm not gonna lie, he started to teach at age 40. And remember, he said the problem started at age 40. So I'm going to start at 40. And people were really, really amazed at his knowledge and amazed
at his narrations in the shortness of the chain of narration is phenomenal, phenomenal knowledge. And people would travel
from Spain on foot, and he from Spain on foot, just to be students of the AMA, one of them. And I think that unless that we might have time to describe the story. He came on foot all the way from Al Andalus. And when he comes, he comes at a time when the mom was not allowed to teach at all. So he was so distraught at that, that he started to come dressed as a beggar. And then he would, you know, beg from one place to another. And because my mom was good at his house was guarded. So then at the end, it will enter the mom's house, and people will think, who's just eating and he'd get their ID run with him. I'm like that for a long time. So you know, reason we're saying this. So you can
imagine the popularity of the mom, it was like the day of eating in front of the doors of a person, everyone wants to go into see what the amount is going to say, because everyone knows he's the sole. He's the one of the, or, let's say, the most popular, if not the only one who is against this ideology now. So now it's really mannessah Jesus. So I entered the house
and saw a map that was placed and the chair. So I stood near the chair while I was standing and moto sim arrived. And he sat on the chair and he took his shoes off, and he put one leg on top of the other. And then he said, Bring him in humble. So they brought him Ahmed, when he was standing in front of him, and greeted him the hollyford and said to him,
speak and do not be afraid. So, but then gives him a very strong response. He says what law here and there are many I have entered upon you. And there is not the weight of a seed in my heart of fear
with all the soldiers and everything in the threat, and since there's not any amount of fear in my heart, so it was very brave, very courageous. So then, when the halifa heard this, he tells him Come closer. So he got closer, and then he tells him come closer, and I'm not mad narrates and he continued to ask me to get closer and closer until I was close to him. Then he said, sit down, and I sat. And the change had burden me. So just he has that little part. But you see how the change was so heavy, and you know, he's thin and he was so burdened with this. So funny. He was like almost saying I was relieved to be able to sit down. So then it was very, very quiet, very silent.
Everyone's waiting to hear the beginning of the discussion. So then the discussion starts. And Mmm, it began Do you give me permission to speak? And you know, I did this because
really, these these few processions or trials, they're not even really like a trial. But the way it operated is that how many have been added to add would start to say some things and then the people or the Tesla would start to yield something so many, so isn't even like a fair trial, if you want to call it they would always create destruction would start saying things first, so I didn't want to start by speaking. So he said you give me permission to speak. So the honeybee tells him speak. So then he asked him
Watch the way he's going to do this. He said, What did the Messenger of Allah sallallahu Sallam call people to surrender? halifa says he called them to testify or to the testimony of La ilaha illAllah Muhammad Rasulullah. So then it says an eye witness that Allah and Muhammad Rasul Allah. So then the halifa was silent. So Mohammed narrates, then I said to him,
had dessiner Yeah, he said,
God had destiny, so is now starting with the chain of narration is going to give him a hadith Abu Hamza called assimilated nobis. Notice, similar to a bus called lm was due up just face it in a V sort of ma Horace alum. So he's saying now when the when the delegation of the face came to the Prophet sallallahu sallam, he ordered them a Moroccan bill, a man Billa sakata Drona man, a man when he ordered them or he commanded them to believe in Allah, then he asked him, you know, what is belief in Allah? And they said, Allah and His Messenger know best. So then the prophets Allah tells them, she had it Allah Allah Allah, Allah 100 Rasulullah, that's one. And then when it comes to
Allah establishing Salah eater is aka, well, sama Ramadan, one to two, and that you give the fifth of the spoils. In a Magnum, you give the fifth of the spoils after after battle or after war.
So then, I need the image just said this Heidi, and basically the number of things that are wise about it. He began by asking him what is and what is required, what is the process that I'm called to, you have put people in jail and you have trials and you're killing people and, and jailing people over what, forcing them to say that the forum was created. But the processor limited, he asked people to say, he asked him to say later Hello, hello, sola. Then he brings a Howdy, if you notice, it was narrated by an abacus. And this is our best dynasty, right? And the halifa has lineage with an abacus. So it's even harder for him to kind of if, if he wanted to work against this
Howdy. He couldn't, because now it's from a lab bus or the lawn? So or if not best for the lawn Houma. So what happens, and then he in the Hadeeth, he's choosing the most important things, kind of like the five pillars. And these are some important things as opposed to them ask people to do so where is the point where he asked about the Koran or anything like that? So it's showing them this is a man in the Hadith. And there's no mention of the Quran being created, or any of these things. So a person then said, Look how it affected him. He said, had I not found you in the hands of the one before me, I wouldn't have approached you. And he's saying, it's almost like he's saying, I
inherited this fitna, and this problem has to continue with it. And you were already in custody at that point, had I not found you at the hands of the moon, I wouldn't have approached you at all. So then he turned to a man in his heart, one of his people, one of the, the
Tesla. And he said, Man, did I not command you to end the manner? Did I didn't I command you to end this test? So then saw the son of Mr. Mohammed he narrates my father said, I said to myself, Allahu Akbar, enough, he has a folgenden muslimeen He says, Allahu Akbar, in this will be an foragers for
a relief I was in this would be great relief for the Muslims. So then, he turned to me and said, What do you say of the Quran? So in this speech of Allah, a dean, but the Messiah is like, any ancient or very old or always existing, not created. Allah azza wa jal said, we're in a huduma look at the evidence he brings in from the opera. We're in the middle mushrikeen esta jurica for a juror who had Yes, ma Kalam, Allah, beautiful, he says, and if any one of them should again, ask you for protection, then grant him protection until he hears the speech of a Look the color of a loved one, or it could also mean the words of Allah, but until he is the Kalam of Allah, because they were
saying Allah does not speak. So he gives me this error from the Quran. So then, and then he gives him the explanation How will he hear the column of Allah? Obviously by hearing the Koran house, can you hear the column of Allah just by hearing the Quran? Or is then he starts to argue and he says Now therefore the Quran is the speech of Allah, or do we bring a column of Allah besides the Quran, the AI is giving commands saying and if any of the non will have them shrieking, asked you for protection, granted protection until they hear the Kalam of Allah. So now this is the speech is a Quran is not the column of Allah
What is it asking you to do? And where are you going to get some other Kalam of Allah if it's not the Quran, so no doubt is the Quran. So this is the evidence that he gave them. So here notice he began to think. And he said, Do you have a proof Besides this, you have any other proof? So I said, Yes, you mean, the saying of Allah Subhana Allah, Allah, Allah Quran. And he didn't say, Man, Allah
created the Quran. And he's saying, as the Virgil, seen well for an Hakeem, and he didn't say he has seen work or an almost look, the craziest corner. So what he's trying to say here is like, there is no verse and no description ever in the Quran of it being muckleneuk. Allah has sent it down. It's an Arabic Quran, but there's no ever description of it being
great, Hakeem, it has wisdom in it, that Allah taught the Quran, that is nothing to say, look, created the Quran, or that the Quran is created. So then the halifa was shaken. So he said, look him up. And then he started to talk to his advisors. This was the first day and this was the discussion for the first day, just look him up. And he starts to talk to his people around him. The next day, he was brought again, and the people gathered again. And the narrative says, I entered with them and toss him arrived and sat on his throne, and said, Bring him back. So they brought him in when he stood between, between his hands, yani will. In Arabic, when they say beignet. They means in front
of him. Because literally, it's between the right hand and left hand, it's in front of you, right?
So he says, How are you? How were you?
In your cell last night? So he's asking how many? How are you doing? or How was your How did you spend your night? So you know, how much is good. And that hamdulillah Then he took advantage of this opening that was given to him?
Except that I saw a mirror meaning in your prison, something strange. He said that so then the notice and not doesn't ask them what did you see? He says, I got up in the middle of the night and I made the window and I prayed to a cat. And I prayed in the first Raka or in one worker and hamdu Lillahi Rabbil aalameen meaning and Fatiha. And Rosa grew up in us. And in the second 100 I have been around me and follows up with follow up. And then I sat down and did this. And then I made the decision. Then I got up and cupboard and made the ticket and I recited that hamdu Lillahi Rabbil aalameen and I wanted to recite poonawalla had and I couldn't then I made effort to recite any sort
of from the Quran, but I wasn't able to. So I glanced at the corner of the cell, the prison cell and lo the Quran was lying down dead. Okay, what 100 was dead. So I watched the Quran, and I wrapped it up, and I prayed over it, and I buried it. So then the hollyford remember the description we gave Evan Matheson moon was used to study in like science and, and learning an element within an artisan was just a soldier. There's no any of this stuff. So then he says to him, Well,
there's the Quran die. And he tells me this is what you say that it is created. And all that is created does. He means everything that's created has an end. The Quran ended last night and it died.
So then look at the AutoSum here. This is his level of intelligence. And these are the arguments that work against him. He gave him the I asked earlier can I'm allowed strong, but this is what works with him. And he says
this destroy this. Like this is what destroys him a hypothetical basically. So then the materialist position was shaken. They're not able to debate him The halifa has no knowledge. So then the halifa starts to say debate with him, speak to him. Then he turned to him and he says, oh, Abdur Rahman urbanists have speak to him. So then Magnus have stood up and he said,
What do you say of the Quran and he wants to start from the beginning again. So then responded to him by saying, Yeah, madness, hap, what do you say over lunch knowledge, saga madness have sat down immediately, because he knew he was gonna get trapped? Because he will. If he says
it's created, then it's cool for he's saying it was knowledge is created. So he didn't have it until he created it, and how does he create it without the knowledge? And if he says, you know, a lot of knowledge is there. And it's, and it's part of the attributes of a lot, then he's going to be going against what a lot of the Monticello were saying at the time is that this is a human characteristic of having knowledge, and nothing is like a lot. So this is a problem for him. So immediately, he sat down. So another daarop, an Imam Ahmed responded to him, and he sat down and then
The third bar up and the mom spoke to him and he sat down, one by one, the top scholars of Tesla would get up and speak. And the Imam would refute each one of them and stop all of them in their tracks. And they remained upon that state, this guy would get up and he would tell him something he would sit, then another guy would think of something, he would get up, and he would sit down, and he narrates himself, he says, so this would, so this one would speak to me, and then and that one and I would respond to this one, and I would speak with that one. And I would say, every time he would shut them down like that, he would turn to the halifa Yeah, I mean, give me something from the book
of Allah azza wa jal, and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam said that I may say it, and you want me to say this? Give me anything from the book of Allah give me anything from the Sunnah I'll say it. Not like not a disobedient person, not just someone who wants to be against you for no reason. Give me something from the book of Allah. The messenger is the son of his messenger seller seller, and I'm going to say it. So then the ad got angry, and he said, Yeah, but Oh, you do not speak except from the book of Allah and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah sallallahu sallam, He is Allah He then he turns to the halifa. He is Willa. He, I mean, a stray. And
he leads astray. And he's an innovator.
And these are your judges and new scholars. So ask them, he's saying to the halifa, ask the judges here. The scholars always will ask him about this, if he's not an innovator, and someone who leads astray. So then the halifa turned to them. And he said, What do you say about him? And they responded, yeah, I mean, he has, he is a straight and he leads astray. And he's an innovator. So and I'ma tell them with what did I go astray and show me how I went astray. And then one would respond, and I would refute him, and then another would respond, and he would refute that person. And then notice that and you can imagine what it was like, then he says, and my voice would get louder than
their voices. So it isn't just like, no one's quite sensitive, then he gives him another quite sensitive. So it got rough, and they were raising their voices. And he would raise his voice, as well, even it wasn't from his character, but the situation is one where he had to show his position, Ramallah and
it says, and he says, Then, and they sought to use the hadith of evenness, Rhodes, Allah, notice the Hadith now that they're bringing as evidence, Allah did not create anything, neither paradise, nor the fire, nor the heaven, nor the earth greater than ayatul kursi.
So they're saying, Now I fukushi is created, because Allah did not create again, the Hadith says, Allah did not create anything, neither paradise, nor the health, no heavens, no the earth greater than it could see. So you know, Madden says to them very simply, and it's quite obvious. He says to them, the creation refers to paradise, and the fire and heaven and the earth. And that's what,
that's what it means then. So doesn't mean Allah created all the following things. Allah is saying nothing of what his what he created is greater than this one idea that he spoke in his book. That's what it means. But of course, you know, this is like when even with bad research anyone someone what first finds what his goal or like his end result is, then starts to look for things and bend them and twist them to fit. The end result, of course, honest research. You look for the truth, you know, and you put every evidence in its proper place. But always you find people when they want to find an evidence or deviant. They always first have their ideology, then they start looking through the
books of Hadith to find something that suits suits it or might match it more.
So then one of them said to me, the Hadeeth of hubbub. So now this guy, you got to brainstorm nine got a great idea. And he's gonna nail the mm with it. He says, Then one of them, the man knows narrating then one of them said to me, the hadith of hubub. Get closer to Allah with what you can for you will never get closer to Allah with something more beloved to him. Then Kayla made his speech. Look at the evidence he brought his speech. He said his speech you will get there's nothing you can get closer to Allah more than his speech. So then he says, I said, Kayla mo sabak. His speech? You're correct. So and then he says then the Quran is the Kalam of Allah. So I'm not even
happy to add was angered. And he started to look angrily at this kind of what kind of an evidence is this? Trying to tell him there is no Colombo law, you bring me this idea.
so then solid says, then I
was looking angrily at my father and my father said, one would speak and I would repeat him and then another would speak and I would answer him. Then when one of them was cut off, suddenly they had no more arguments, even with them.
Jump in. See this is again to show what we're saying earlier looks to create this. It's not really a fair trial and on the academic or anything, it's just like almost like a gang. So they're not all of them are too quiet and he silence all of them would jump in. Yeah, I mean, he is one law history and he leads others astray. And he's an idiot. And then the Amir halifa would say speak to him, debate with him. And so one would speak to me and I would refute him, then another would speak and I would refute him. And when they came to a standstill,
a mirror machine would say to me, go to Yeah, but what are you saying? So like, what's like, what's the end result here? And then I would say, yeah, I mean, give me something from the book of Allah, or the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah sallallahu wasallam. So that I may say it, whatever you give me from these two sources, I'm going to say it not here just to to be against you just give me something from the book of a lot. And the sooner now say it, and then
so let's continue. Yeah.
Where were we? Uh huh. So then, Saul said, my father saw that now his son narrating my father said, some of them said, had not Allah said Holly akula che Jani. Allah said neuron, he's the creator of everything. And Alicia, and the Koran is a shade of Quran is a thing. So then the Quran is created. You see the argument, and notice these arguments. He's hearing them for the first time. So even though we just heard it, the argument came immediately the response came immediately. So you don't like but then immediately says, did not Allah say in the Quran, about the the wind that blew and destroyed the reef that destroyed the people of solid, right? I love describe it in the Quran saying
to them, Nero kulesza it destroys everything. So they didn't leave anything. So now the Imam responded to them. When they said Allah created everything. And the Quran is a thing. So therefore the Quran is created. So he immediately comes back saying Allah described the wind that destroyed the people of solid, it says in the Quran, it destroyed everything. So they didn't leave anything. And they all said no, because it destroyed everything. So then he says to them, then how did the next I How did Allah say in the firewall after it for us? bahala euro Illa Misaki? No, and then nothing. So in the next day, or then in the morning, nothing would be seen except for their homes.
You see, so did destroy everything? Is first I am i right before it's destroyed everything? And when right after I said nothing was left except that our homes. So then
Then he asked them, are their homes a shape a thing or not? And they said yes, they're hungry or something. So then he asked them, then how did it remain? Didn't unless they destroyed everything. So they were quiet. This is one of them who was debating? So then that tells me Roger, it destroyed everything that could be destroyed. And their homes were carved into the mountains and made of solid rock, so they were not susceptible to destruction. And in Arabic When it says it destroys everything. It means everything that could be destroyed. And when Allah says hola hola say that Allah created everything, meaning everything that could be this could be created and the speech of
Allah and the knowledge of Allah and the hearing of Allah and the sight of Allah are not creatable because they are from the attributes of Allah. This is how this is the argument that he gave them. So then one of them responded, so what do you say about the hadith of Imran slain in Allah, Allah and Vicar is the Quran is now an argument that he brought. So then you messing with him Hadith here and this is a Muhammad, so immediately tells him you're mistaken at death and as fuller and fuller and fuller from so and so that the Prophet sallallahu Sallam said in a Lucha ketubot Vicar wrote that, and he did not say hello. So you have an incorrect narration. This is the authentic narration
I know that I've got the chain of narration and everything else. So he defeated them. And none of them could respond to him. And he was of course the Imam of the Muslims and had eaten in his place and his region or his time. So they couldn't argue with him now they couldn't choose choose this route and say no, I think our nutrition they can't mess with him here. So much says this continued until the time of prayer. And person said, arrived spumoni meaning for solar. So people want to prepare for the Salah, and the only ones left that he ordered to stay back were amyloid and Humbert and a man in his heart. So then Watson says
Yeah, do you know Sala Rashidi? And I said, Yes. So the motto and halifa says he was my mud dip and remember who said the mud Debian people would come and teach you manners and poetry, and they will also like, and they will discipline you also tell you what not to do we do this and do that. So, the motive is like a teacher, like almost robots would have been in the place of a parent also.
So, then he says, he was mine, and he was in this place sitting with me, and then saw her Rashidi spoke and mentioned the Quran, so he disagreed with me, and he disagreed with my position that O'Connor was created. So I ordered and he was dragged and trampled. See, and this is something they used to do that they would trampled, and they actually walk over someone. So he's threatening the man. He's saying this was my mother raised me as a child. And it taught me right from wrong and manners and poetry in Arabic in this, and I had him trampled, what do you think I'm going to do to you? So it's a threat basically. So in order to remain quiet, and this is from his other band, and
in the also he's not in the position to challenge so he just remained quiet. So then the Moto son tells him I don't know you, you did not used to come to us. So what he's trying to say is, are you of those who are against the government and against the halifa wish to never see you enter upon us and sit in our halaqaat in our in our in our gatherings? So then here, our government is happy. Even though he's from the people, the Mattila and the troublemakers he was here, he was honest. He says, Yeah, I mean, I've known him for 30 years, and he holds obedience to you. So he's not those who don't see that they should obey you, and hug with you meaning because the man, the halifa, would be
the leader of Hajj, a mirror of the believers is the mirror of Hajj. And he holds. So he's saying he holds obedience to you and hug and Jihad with you. And he stays at his home. So basically saying, He's not a troublemaker for 30 years of knowing him. He's never spoken out against the government or the halifa. And he basically stays keeps to himself is what he meant by he stays at his home, then the Holocaust start to feel comfortable. Because if now he learns that this is one of the people who are against me, and why was this a serious issue? Because remember, they are bussed over through the mermaids. And they, you know, they chased them and had them killed. And so they were always cautious
and aware of those who, who did not like the rule of their baskets. And so it's a big deal to him. And if he discovered the amount of it was one of those, it would have been totally different way that he would deal with him. So then AutoSum says, notice what he's saying, This is in front of the Imam, and Abrahamic neshap will law he is a law, he's a scholar will law. He's a puppy, well, law, he's a scholar, and he was moved and he saw the man defeating them one afternoon a huge crowd of a huge crowd, but like a great gathering of the top scholars, and one by one, he would silence him. It's not like they would come to a stalemate, or they would just sit in another would get an idea
and get up and sit. So the man was the halifa was moved by that. So then he starts to say, well, it would not displease me, for him to be alone with me refuting the false religions for me, we're lucky if he agrees to anything will lie, I will free him with my own hands. And I would walk behind him imagine the halifa saying this if he just just agree to anything that I'm saying to you just give me a little bit of an agreement not even 100% just agree with me. And I'll free him with my own hands. And I will walk behind him and and i with my soldiers will write to him Yeah, he will come to learn and sit at his feet. Look at this, and all this he's saying then he turned to him after saying all
this, then he turns to the Imam and he says, What do you say?
So this is like very
Okay, this is there's a car that needs to move it's in spot number one, the parking spot number one, su 365 or a few parking spot number one, please move it definitely
doesn't need Harrison says What do you say? Yeah. And so this is like, trying to entice him and tempt him and it's very tempting to halifa saying these things. So then he says, What is a lot of pressure now? He says,
I say he says What do you say says I say you need
to can guess it?
Give me something? Give me something from the book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Messenger sallallahu Sallam so that I may say it, he's refusing to budge After all, this Rahim Allah. So because it was a long gathering the old guard up and he was returned to the prison. Not much then he sent me so now everyone else can go rest and eat and relax, but not him. You know, it says, Then he sent me two men, one from the companions of enormous Shafi, who was affected by this fitness and agree to the crazy
of the Quran, and another man named Bubba son from the Mata Zilla, from the companions of Abby to add, and they would sit with me and debate with me. So they would stay with me until the time of his star. Because now it's Ramadan, and they're fasting. And then a table with food would be brought to us. And they would eat, and I would not eat with them. Because again, remember, Matt saw the money of the five is not helpful at all. Okay? And that's why he's fasting now. And he still would not eat. So.
So he says, I would stop it, because I don't want to the issue come up that, why aren't you eating? Well, because it's foods Haram is gonna be a bigger problem now.
So basically, he just find things to do and stall and waste time so that they're done eating, and then they leave. So they would have thought in the prison with him. But he would waste time and not sit, and then when they would leave,
the food would would be taken. So then they left and even odd came to me. And so these two people left. And even if you do add the big troublemaker, remember, the one that stays with every leaf. He said, he came to me and said, Yeah, a mirror meaning says to you, what do you say, is coming out to check after the debate with these two people? And he gives him again, the same answer, give me something from the book of Allah, or the sinner, the son of his messenger sallallahu sallam, so that I may say it. And then even if you do AutoSum, Allah here, he has written your name amongst the seven views or seven that was supposed to be executed. And I erased it. And it hurt me that he took
you any? Yeah, I don't know he's being insincere here is trying to tell him that it hurts me that he would he took you and had you in prison, and will lie it is not the sword. So what do you say? What do you mean? Does it mean it's not the sword? And he's not just going to execute you and you're going to be tortured, whip beaten. So what do you say? And he says, Give me something from the book of Allah or the sooner the messenger sallallahu Sallam so that I may say it, how are we doing on time?
How much are the equation? But
Jimmy, okay. So it says, Now, okay, now, this is now. So this was they, which they were we on this now? Second day. So day one, then day two, and then this was the third day. Now. It says, Now he narrates, he says, I said to myself, it makes sense that something is to happen to me today. Meaning, you know, first day talk, second day talk third day, I mean, it's again, I'm just going to keep defeating them something else is going to happen, they're going to try to convince me that using other methods, methods, so he asked for string from the guards of the prison, and to basically to tie his, like his lower garment, so it doesn't fall if if he's beaten or pushed or anything like
that. He says, I used to hate that something would happen to me. So I would become uncovered. So he tried an extra string around himself. And yeah, in with the early Muslim, this was always you find this when you read in early history, they always work worried about being uncovered. Even if you remember, the Latin is a bear for the law and Homer when he was he no philosopher, he's going to be killed. Now in this battle, all the people who were with him, even his sons left, you just him and a handful, small, small number of maybe one guy, one person that remained against an entire army. So he came to his mother that's not on the line, and she was blind. And you speaking to her. And there
the talk, the conversation discussed, being, you know, tying that is up. So you will not be uncovered something very serious. In our times now, even with Muslims more relaxed. You see the guy and he goes for salute and you know, embarrassments happening and cover cover cover. And he's very, very shameful for them. So he's now worried about that. And he gets in a string from the guards and he ties with an extra stream, almost like a second belt. And so then he says, They brought me and things look different. Now, I was entered from a place to from one place to another, and there were people with swords, and people with whips, and other kinds of uniforms and weapons, and the place
was full of soldiers. And in the past two days, none of these people were present, saying this is different now a totally different crowd, which now confirms what he thought that today something different is going to happen.
And before all these events
happened before this, the people would come to Him, we would come to warn him they would say woe to you. The halifa has pity on you, as he has pity on his son, and heroin, heroin. Yeah, and the son of the halifa young boy, and he has pity on you just like he has pity on her own. So kind of saying, you say what he wants you to say. And again, he would say the same phrase. So now the narration we're going to look at for this incident is from a man his name is Ahmed. And he was one of the eyewitnesses on that day. He says I was in charge of, of some of the events
Tears of the Sultan. What it really means is I was a government worker. And one day while I was at a gathering, the people had closed the doors of their stores,
stores now we're closing on the third day, because they know this, everyone is expecting something will happen on the third day. So now store owners decided to close shop. This is shows you the position of this great mahama. He says
the people had closed the doors of their stores and taking their weapons. So now people would close their stores and take their swords and go to the place of the halifa. So there were all these armed people from the laymen from the citizens coming to the door of the halifa.
And, and I said, so I said, Why do I see as if the people had prepared for a fitna as if people are preparing for a big trial and a big problem. And
and he says going across town, the people, the halifa, has prepared his forces, and all of them are all related to the outcome of the third day. So even the other soldiers and many people had gathered also, because they know the enemy has a following. And if something happens to him, or maybe the people will not be pleased that he'll be whipped or beaten. And they're going to take arms against the Hierophant. And like I said, also there was a relative degree of paranoia with the, with the Abbess, it's because and most of them the oma it's because the maids didn't overthrow anybody, I busted over through somewhere. So it was always in the back of their mind that we might be
overthrown as well. So this is again, internal storage.
they said, so he's asking me, the people are preparing for fitna, so they said, I might have been humbled will be taken to be tested on the Quran. He says, so I put on my clothes and went to the guard of the halifa, who is a friend of mine. So now he's finding was for an acquaintance to give him a good seat. He says, went to the Godot halifa, who was a friend of mine. So I said to him, I want you to let me in. So I can see how am I going to debate the halifa? So he said to me, would you like that? And I said, Nam? Yes. So he gave us some of our own friends, some of our mutual friends and said, bear witness, if anything happens to him, I'm not to blame. So I'm going to give him a
good seat. But if anything happens, it's not my fault. So they they bore witness, excuse me.
So I put on my fancy clothes. So why is he changing put on fancy fancy clothes, because he wants to know
when he wants to fit in. And there's only going to be big shots in this kind of gathering people high level. So throw good clothes so he could fit in, you know. And then he says, I put on a white belt, and omarama turban and a cloak and put on a sword. And the guard took me by the hand is getting a front seat now and put me in the front row in front of the halifa. And always next to him as a yet even as it is one of the top officials. So why is he mentioning him? Is he out here? So basically, it's kind of like, give me a top official in Canada top top gun.
Guys don't know your officials are on
Peter who, but maybe no one else will know it. Anyways, it's like I'll use American terms then. Yeah. So it's like saying, you know, someone took me in the front seat now. Sitting next to me was Joe Biden,
the Vice President, so so then select Obama's right there. And right next to me was the vice president. So I got a really good seat is what he was trying to say. That's why he mentioned him as a not that he had said anything in the in the event. And there was a gold throne. Then he describes it embedded with jewels, and covered with silk. And the halifa came out and saw it and sat on it and said, Where is he who said that Allah speaks with two instruments. So he's saying, whereas the one who said Allah speaks with two instruments. Now, of course, two instruments here meaning a mouth, lips and a tongue, these two instruments, but of course, he's saying that to make what to make the
mouse position look bad, but and I've never said that. He never likened it to human beings. He said, Allah speaks and never said, How are described what, how, and what he uses to speak. So then he says, Bring him to me. So they brought him in Hamburg. And this is again, our narrator eyewitness.
So they brought in humble, and they had dressed him with a garment and a blue headcovering. And he had placed one hand on top of the other while he was saying that Hola, quwata illa Villa, and he stood in front of the halifa. And then the halifa. Now he wants to make it seem like a kind of like a formal, maybe trial or procession. So he's awesome. Are you humble? And
Massoud I am Ahmed. Hamad. ibni, humble. And then he says, Are you and Are you the one who as I've heard, says that the Quran is the speech of Allah. uncreated From where did you get this?
from the book of Allah azza wa jal and the news from his messenger sallallahu alayhi wa sallam meaning the narrations. So then the Muslim says and what did the Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Sallam say, and Ahmed says had destiny Abdul Razak and, and, and azuri and Salim Abhi. And bs en la hora de la con in a la kendama Moosa. So then he begins to give him a hadith of Allah azza wa jal speaking to Musa alayhis salam. And in the end of the narration,
Musa alayhis salaam asks a large region, are you speaking to me? Or is there like a like a translator or someone between us? And a lot of them? I'm speaking to you and there is no one between us. So he gives me this headache now. And this is something he never gave them before. So he keeps bringing up things. So then Watterson says, You have lied against the Messenger of Allah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam.
then if that was a life of me upon the Messenger of Allah sallallahu sallam, then Allah azza wa jal has said,
when I can have kolu, mini lamb, Lana, Johanna immunogenetic.
So then he gives him this verse from the Quran
and the speech, that the truth or that has come from me, so when he tells him if the coal was from other than Allah, then it is created. And if it was he saying that if this speech Allah says the speech
from me, so that must be the alert speaks.
So either that he speaks, or that if
he, if he, if he can speak then who is saying this, that I'm going to enter human beings and a jinn into the Hellfire? Who is this person who is saying this statement? And this is only a statement? It's a statement, it's only befitting of Allah subhanaw taala? If someone is saying, I will fill the Hellfire, as I said, I'm going to fill the Hellfire with humans engines. Who is this person? If Allah can't speak, who's making the speech than it then he tells? And he's asking him, tell me, tell me who did who said this, who will enter the jinn and insert into the Hellfire other than Allah. So it was very strong, it was a very strong proof. So then, of course, in turn, to have been able to
add, and it is the earth and said to them, debate with him. And their response was, yeah, Amir Mini, kill him, and his bird is on us. gonna kill him, I would take the responsibility for his blood, it's not going to be on your hands. You can tell people in Hollywood didn't kill him, we killed him, we'll take the responsibility. So
the person then saw the situation, no one is ready to debate anymore. And no one's going to speak against him. So what were the options he has, and the people outside the window with their swords and their weapons that this is a problem that I'm in. I can't kill them. Everyone's outside the layman and the populations outside with their swords. These people aren't able to debate. So he lifted his hand and he struck the face of the amount. Ahmed Rahim Allah so the Imam fell unconscious,
because he was a strong man. And again, a soldier has got nothing left now all I could do is hit him. So when I met Phil unconscious, there was some movement from the gods of the halifa. Some of the gods of the halifa move, and they stepped back, even though they now are soldiers of the halifa. They were originally from Florida. And what we said about Madden, his grandfather humble that he became popular with this name, he was one of the leaders and he was, you know, took part in, you know, revolt and freeing that area and florissant. So, those were originally from Horace son, they actually stepped back from the positions and actually and left the gathering. So now this is a sign
that of this contempt, and they're not pleased with what the hollyford is doing. So they stepped out and they left together. So the halifa realized that the grandfather of mud from being from Kamakura son, and these were
this was the grandson of this man. These used to be his commanders and remaining remnants and leftovers of people who used to be with him in his army. So he feared that the mom had died. If your mom dies, now we're going to have a revolutionary revolt from people. So he says bring him water. So they brought water and they spray down the amount they kept spraying on his face until he regained consciousness. And when he regained consciousness, he looked at his uncle is happy and humbled. Remember, we spoke about his heart who said he was a scholar, not just any learned person, he was a scholar. But he will remember what he when he would come to the moment prisoners they just say what
they want you to say. Don't have to believe it. So he was on their side out of saying what they want him to say and
He was standing amongst the people. So in a moment when he regained consciousness, he didn't look at the halifa he turned and looked at his uncle's house in Hamburg. And he spoke to his uncle saying,
Yeah, oh, uncle, perhaps the owner of this water which has which was poured on my face is angry with me. So what? It's it's kind of like
it's not coated, but what's kind of like veiled the he basically, he's saying what he's really saying is the halifa can't speak with his mouth, he has to use his hands. So it's very insulting. But he said it in a way not everybody understood what exactly what exactly he was saying. So most people didn't get it. But the halifa understood it and he yelled, Walter, you don't you see how I'm attacked with his speech, and he's attacking me like I'm a halifa. And he's attacking me like this. nobody's doing anything about it. So then,
maybe to add an additional visual mercy. They said, Yeah, and they don't need kill him so we can be rid of him. Just kill him. So first, it says, I have vowed to Allah, that I would not kill him with a sword. No, commanded, nor command his killing with a sword. Because if he says, I said, I'm not going to kill him with a sword, someone will sell calculus. So no, I vote that I'm not going to kill him with a sword, nor am I going to command anyone to kill him with a sword. So then they said, then you have to use the whip. No, it means use the whip to kill him. whip him until he's dead. How cruel it becomes. So then Muslim says
it to me the curse of Allah be upon you. I had hopes in you. By wakaba team and Rasulullah sallallahu Sallam by my blood relations to the prophet SAW Selim. I will not remove the whooping from him until he says the Quran is created. Take him and and he says take him. And so what happened? They took him and they dragged him. Then he says Suddenly, the lunged at me. And they dragged me on my face. And then I was stripped. And then he said, Of course benei was react. So same, same neon integration from or same incident from a different iteration. He says, so I was, I was dragged off and my outer garment was removed. He says, I had a hair from the hair of the Prophet
sallallahu Sallam in the sleeve of my shirt. So it's hot when Abraham turned to me and said, What is this small pouch? And I said, I have a hair from the Prophet from the hair of the Prophet seldom. And then he says they were going to tear the shirt off of me. But he says, they took it off of him slowly. And he says, I guess he later on says, I guess they did that. Or I think they did that because of the hair that they didn't want to rip it off like that. So I was taken off, and then toss him sat upon his seat, and he says, Bring a carbon
layer carbon, and this is the way they work people back then they would get two posts, and they would fasten them to the ground. And then they would
tie their arms and stretch out your arms like that, and then they would whip you so that you don't just stand around and you can move and wiggle and stuff. So they would tell you on stretches like that. And he says
so the flogging posts were brought forward and my arms were stretched. And someone behind me said sees the two fumbles of the frame and hold them tightly. But I didn't understand what he said. And so my arms became dislocated. And so now his arms were dislocated as a result of the stretching.
then mmm solid then the Son of
God, he says my father. Okay, so then a solid says My father was feeling the pain and his risk. So now even before the whooping started, he was already feeling severe pain from the stretching out of his hands. Then the halifa said to the floggers advance so they came, so he looked at the whips, he starts to examine the whips now and he didn't like them. So he said bring others and they brought better ones and he looked at them and he was pleased he wanted, you know, strong and fixing good quality whips. So he said to the floggers advance come closer until they came close. Then he said, Oh, yeah, Papa, a la jolla duck, inflict pain may Allah cut off your hands. This is what he's saying
to the flowgraph I want you to hurt him a lot cut off your hand. So then it says
so the first plug in our has a row of them. So he hit me twice. And then he moved. So he called another another one and said, Oh jacada Allahu edac. And he hit me twice and he moved what's happening now, see, if each one starts whipping in like any, if you bring one Flogger, and he gives him 50 lashes, the first two three lashes will not be like 4748 49 it will be much harder as he gets tired, the others will not be of the same severity. So then what
Once fresh, most powerful whips, so he wants each one to just give two. And then you go back to the line and this next one comes fresh to have the most powerful and severe whips. And then by the time he it's his turn again he is well rested and he can give to have equal power again. So
and then it continues and then Watson kept calling them one by one saying inflict pain, may Allah cut off your hand, and then he would give me two and then they would go another two, and then he would go, then someone from the crowd began to tell him It will to your amount is standing before you, meaning obey the halifa. All this is happening. This is a mirror. I mean, he's, he wants you to obey Him in an issue and he's standing in front of you. So he's saying he agreed to what he's saying. So then the halifa stood and he came close to me with the sword in his hand. And he began to to poke me or to hit me with it, to hit me with it. And then he said, Do you want to defeat all of
these? Remember the room, floggers and soldiers, people with weapons and all kinds of people and the oldest scholars of the martyrs and he's saying you think you're gonna defeat everyone here?
is how can you grow him? Remember him the the governor of Nevada or the the chief of police, he has the will to the hollyford standing before you. And they started this. All the room now everyone starts to yell. Yeah, I mean, His Word is on my neck, and it killed him, and I'll take the responsibility. Then the halifa sat down. And he asked for the Flogger, that was the most severe, and even the floggers. They knew which one of them was the best and most severe. And he said to him, in how many can you kill him? How many whips will take you to kill it? So the man said, five, or 10 or 15? Or maybe 20?
So what he's trying to say is that Yeah, I can, I can kill in five, but if need be 10, but maybe 16, maybe 20. But, but even 20. Even though it's a big number in this list, it's very short. And some people get flogged, you know, 100 300, he's saying I kill him in 20. So then the Hollywood doesn't kill it.
So now the sentence is passed, that the man is going to be whipped until death. And he tells him kill him, the faster the better. And then he starts to whip him the most severe whips, I mean, unbelievable way that this man is whipping this Imam and remember, the Imam is frail. And he's not that strong. It's not that powerful. So he starts to whip him severely. And the interim is being patient and the people who were in the room and in the gathering, they were surprised that he's being whipped so severely, and he's being and he's so thin and yet he's being patient. So
and he would strike him one last after the other until he reached
a number in the teens, those who are counting. So he was somewhere in the teens of whips. And then the blood gushed out and just filled the floor. And the people were surprised at the patience of the man being so patient despite his weak body. So here is how company Brahim said, Yeah, I mean, he is a man of weak body. What does that mean? So he's like, felt bad for him now saying, He is very weak, this is too much. But he didn't say it's too much. So person's cells him You have heard what I said, by my blood relations to the Prophet sallallahu sallam, I will not leave him or I will not remove the whip from him until he says, as I say, or he dies. These are the options.
So it's half then it's up to him, he asked permission and went to him. And he was exhausted and barely conscious. And so it's Hakuna Ibrahim comes close to him, and he begins to whisper in his ear. So now his heart really is trying to come up with a way to end this session. So without lying to the halifa, nor obviously trying to convince him to say which is hopeless. So he comes to him. And he says,
oh, son of Abdullah, I have good news. The Emir of the believers has repented from what he says and he is saying La ilaha illAllah. So then, you know, it says the killing of his loss. And I also say
just weekly just barely even brought this out. This is I also say la la. So here is have stood and he said yeah, I mean,
he has said as you have said, understand, so he's just he's trying to save the onion and end this and trying to save the email. Even though he's one of them. Yeah, and he but he felt he felt bad here.
So hear the voices then we'll raised in the power center, because suddenly imagine now there's this huge room, or like, maybe even, not really a room but like a courtyard or not a courtyard. It's a room. It's an enclosed room, but it's huge. What do you call those rooms?
conference rooms, the big Romania. So none alcohol. Yeah. So everyone in there and there were people outside in other rooms and other places, the palace and outside of the gates of the palace and outside into the courtyard of the palace. And so when the people when he is happening there, but he meals out, he said, as you say, so people thought philosophy said the Quran is graded. So there was a, you know, you can imagine a din and a ruckus and people talking. And then so then when people start to talk like that, in that whole other people in other parts of the pellets heard it, and people outside the population who had their swords and everything. They also heard some noise. So
they didn't know what was happening here. So they thought that the Imam was killed. See, and so there was a lot of commotion now, so even the halifa heard it inside. So he told someone go see what has happened. And then a man went and saw what was going on and came back running. Because basically, you can imagine what he saw was a lot of people outside the palace, very upset with their swords and yelling, thinking that a man has been killed. So it comes back yelling, yeah, I mean, the people have gathered to kill you. So remove, numbered. We're in Nila Colossus, and I'm giving you good advice here. So the halifa looked, and he saw the scene. So the fury and all the people
outside. So he said, put his clothes on him, and take him out to the people. So he wants to show them that he's alive, basically, put his clothes on and take him out to the people. So they took him out to the crowds. And the people asked, What did you say yeah, of the law, so we can say it. So he so then people became quiet. And what happened, not just that they become quiet, they got out their pens, and their papers and their writing instruments and their papers. Because whatever the Imam said, He's an Imam is, is a scholar is iffy. So they want to write down what he's saying. So everyone now is quiet all this writing now it's quieter than you can see the Imam Yeah. And if you
can picture him, bleeding, and tired and weak and fasting, and being basically brought out to the people to show them that he's alive. And the people are saying what did you say so that we can say it as well? And he says, and what else can I say? As you can imagine him now, just with this fatigue, trying to bring out these words saying and what else can I say? Right down? Oh, people have the news.
And witness Oh people that the Koran is the speech of Allah, uncreated from him It came, and to him It shall return. And so the people wrote, and they remained upon the truth. And this was the position of the mount Rahim Allah that if he said something people would say what he he said, and because he remained upon the truth, people remained upon the truth. I will go back now and remind you again to what we said on the first day that the scholars of Islam said these two are the greatest stances in the history of Islam, that the stance of obok or Golan on the day very humble on the day of the manna, why? Because if he would have consented and said yes, to Quran is created,
that would have been because this is now we're talking about the Muslim empires, not a Muslim country. And then other countries had their own muda habit. It's one Empire, they would have made this the official Dean, you know, and probably removed from Hadith. And so we would receive in Islam today where the Quran is the creation of Allah, and Allah doesn't speak and all the attributes of Allah, you know, have changed, but because the man, Rahim, Allah stood firm. And so
the halifa when he heard what happened, because he basically he wants to show them is he still alive? So he heard what the man said to them, he became upset because he just got news that he's he agreed. So he became very upset. And he returned and yelled out, return him, bring him back. So they said, what about the people, he tells them, they have written and they've left and they heard, meaning they saw him alive, they rode from him, and they left, bring him back now. So they brought him back and they tied him up again.
And he says, with force, may Allah cut off your hand and the most severe beating began and And not only that, they also trampled him. Yeah, and they put them on the floor and they just start walking and stomping him with their feet. And when it stopped the amount until he lost consciousness, and when they stopped trampling him he regained consciousness. So then they brought him water or basically it was the date soaked water and they put these dates in the water and the water you know has the know the sugar and from from the dates, and they said drink but he refused because he was fasting Rahim Allah and he said
won't break the fast load.
And he was imprisoned at the home of his hobgoblin Ibrahim at the time about the horror. And a man says, and he even then somehow learned this narration shows you, even in prison, and even he and he's bleeding and so injured and fasting, and you think they just go collapse and slipped all the time to break the fast. And man comes to me, he says, You prayed when the blood was flowing from your clothes, and he says, Yes, our prayers, and his wound was for pouring blood. And even now he's teaching focus on hannula. Then they sent him a doctor and a healer for being a doctor who looked at his wounds. And he said, Well, I look at this, this is a man who heals a lot of people who has been
have been whipped in the past, this is what I have seen those who have been given 1000 lashes, but I've never seen worse than this. I've seen people given 1000. But remember why because the quality, the severity, the intensity. So then
he says he is hurt from the back end the front, because you know, sometimes the tip of the whip will come and reach in the front. But typically, it shouldn't be that bad. But you had cuts even in the front because of such severe whips, that he would get kitten cut in the back and whatever reach the front, also would cause him to break the skin and to be cut. So he brought a special instrument to the to bleed him because there were there were parts where there was bleeding under the skin, and he would have to pierce it in the blood, drain the blood out. And
he says so. And even the blood wouldn't come out yet he was that severe. And then even his face had whips and cuts on it. And so he would remain with him for a while treating the Imam. And then he there was a point where he said there's something here that I have to cut. And we're not talking about, you know, anesthetics or anything like that just you bear the pain. And so there was a piece of meat Now that everything around it was so cut that they had to cut it off. And so he tells him there's something here that I have to cut, and he brings a knife and he basically pulls it and he cuts that off and the Imam the whole time is being patient and praising Allah subhanaw taala. And
some of these move wounds remained hurting him until death until he died, some of the ones still hurt. And perhaps some some some of you have an injury where it affected a nerve. And so it still hurts you even even though it's healed for years, it still hurts. So this is what we're talking about here.
And he had some obviously the scars remained with him as well. until death.
are we doing 10 minutes, so Okay, stop soon.
So this is now just to give you more insight, Danny,
a man came in, he says, Yeah, but I'm delighted that people hold you in esteem, and if people held you in high position in high regard. So he said, I praise and thank Allah for my religion. And indeed, this is the just religion. If I had just said what they wanted, I would have committed unbelief. And I would have committed go for if I would have said what they wanted. So then the mentalism informed me of what they did to you. So he said, when they last me, I started to remember the saying of the Bedouin Arab, remember this, the poet from robbia, who came to him and told him, you know, you know, what happens if you die here and you enter gender right here, and if they don't
kill you, you're gonna die anyways. And if they don't kill, you're going to live in a praiseworthy state. He says, I remember that. And remember, he said, This is what kept him steadfast. And while he was being whipped, he remembered that so now that man wasn't a scholar, anything and he was just a regular man, a poet, and he came and gave advice. And that's why
any, anyone can advise anyone, there's no rule that you know, you have to be a scholar in order to advise a scholar. I remember even the thief was giving him insights about whipping and making him and he would stand in or me even braver in the face of the whip. So then he says,
then the one with the very long beard and his man, his name was Jay. He's one of the the floggers. His name was Rajiv, he came and struck me with the hilt of his sword. So with the handle, he struck him
with the hilt of the sword, then, when that came about, I said, relief has come. He is about to behead me. And I'm a risk so and so I may rest in peace. And somehow you can imagine now that when he saw the men coming to hit him with the sword, he felt happy. So that tells you how much he was suffering from the whipping. And it was that severe. And most things in life, you see someone coming at you with a gun or a weapon, and I say, Oh, this is great. It's going to put me out of my misery, unless you're really in a very, very bad situation. So the amount said, I said that humbler relief is
Come, he's about to behead me, so that I may be in peace of Panama. And then then a man kept saying, Oh, yeah, I mean, strike his neck, and I'll take the responsibility for shedding his blood for.
So then what happened, he remained this a total coup set of 28 or 30 months,
including so including the imprisonment and house arrest that we're going to come to, because an AutoSum feared the anger of the people. So what he did, he called for the paternal uncles of Iran. And then he said to the people, do you recognize him? And they said, Yes. They he is a medical Hummingbird. He said, then look at him. Is he not sound and healthy in his body? Come on. He's not right. He's not healthy. But what are you gonna tell the family for? No, actually, he's got some wounds. You sir, Yes, he is. So then he tells them.
Then, if if he had not done this, I would have known. But basically, he said that I'm handing him over to you sound and healthy in his body. And the people became calm and settled down. So basically, he did this. He turned him over to them, while he was still alive, saying, Look, I'm giving in to you while he's alive. And if anything happens later, I give them to a life. And then.
So then basically, he was confined to his house. So he was under house arrest. But he was also watched. So he was watched and he was not allowed to teach. So basically, there was a Crown Victoria parked in front of his house.
You don't have that here. That's how they watch people in America. And he was not allowed to teach nor was he allowed to talk to people until a person died. But despite all that, in this, there should be a lesson for us. That despite all that he forgave everyone. It is narrated that the floggers came to him, because they did what they had to do. They came to him with a rubric. And he was also he didn't do any. He's not the kind of jokes or anything like that. So and he had severe severe haber. It's noted that when he was under house arrest, the guards would seek permission. It would be afraid of him. It's so much hay, but the guard would ask him permission, the guards would
any knock on his door politely even though he was supposed to be under house arrest for a prisoner still, but they will get permission from him before they can enter before they could take him somewhere because of his haber. So now the guards enter at the the floggers enter upon him, and they won't apologize. But they entered with their heads in shame because they worked really, really hard. And they gave their best, but they were ordered to do so. And they know he's a great scholar in the UK and in the great Ireland but so they come in with their heads, Lord, and when he saw them walk in with their heads, Lord, He immediately smiled. We told him I forgiven you. He tells them will lie. I
have I had forgiven you the moment I set foot in the palace. They won not they threw in they beat him. They said they won. And in the end he said Yeah. And they said How could you do that? And he tells them that Danny, on the Day of Judgment goes who forgive and pardon others will be called. And I want to be amongst those people. So he pardoned everybody and look at the things we refuse to pardon each other over the ridiculous things, you know, sisters in the back the ridiculous things that we fight over. So pardon one another over things big and little as well. So then the people would come and look at how people learn. The man is a great scholar and is a great righteous man.
And he's pardoning and forgiving everyone. So people would come and sit up what about you know, even Hakuna Brahim, the Mattila the people who create the fitna, he said forgiven all of them, then they will tell him play in supplicate at least make the against them. I don't know what they get out of it. But this thing at least mcda against them. And he would say to them, laser be soldering men da da volume. And the one who makes against the one who oppresses him, he's not patient. So he wanted to take his patients to that level. And it's not saying it's Haram. Someone doesn't just as against you. And maybe Salam told us that you would not be there is no veil or nothing between a barrier
between it and Allah Georgia. So you can you can do that. But he wanted to go to a higher level and to be very patient and to be pardon everybody, and that's why he pardoned them. And so
even with the with the halifa as well Yanni, later on, when he receives the news of the conquering of amorian and this is the thing about the rulers back then they would be deviant or they would be bad or they would drink or do things but still, they had a default level of goodness in them. Remember the story of Amaury when the woman she yelled out what this is talking about beating scholars and putting people in jail and this but
When the woman said Walmart for Sema, he sent an entire army and he in he liberated that entire area. So when the news of what he did reach him and he said who are killed in Milwaukee, and he is now in the holler from what he did to me, so I especially now, what a great sense he had and I forgive him because of this, so, so then we'll stop here inshallah, this is a good place to stop the next time we continue. We're going to just look at basically what does the next next Saturday inshallah and in the story
yeah, he dies upon that and then the halifa after him, which is a worth of work. This is the way the fitna ends during his reign. There's some problems in the beginning but it ends during his reign. So we'll end with that inshallah. I think we should just be able to finish I think charlo should be nicely able to finish nicely next time inshallah. Allah Harun for your attentive listening and for your interest in the story with Salam robotic Allah Mohammed Ali Ali.
salaam aleikum wa