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Modernism In Islam

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Jamal Zarabozo

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We have today's brother dinoco continuation of our lessons here on

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today we have a very important topic in the series of lectures, which

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cannot be given

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on the topic of

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the

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introduction.

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tokens are gathering, because

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the organizers have, have decided to

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give a number of lectures about, or under the topic of Islam in the West.

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And

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some phenomena that are occurring in the West with respect to Islam, now, they are also occurring throughout the Muslim world,

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not least, except for Idris specialises. Many of these things are occurring throughout the Muslim world. However,

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moving here, to identify them, and to realize what they're all about, and to know how to respond to them.

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Because unfortunately, in the in the United States and in Canada, and it is there's lots of room

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for mistakes.

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There's a lot, there's not room for intentional deviations.

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And that is because of our situation here.

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For example, we do not have many scholars,

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like the will, will scholars, maybe we don't have any, I don't

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have many people of knowledge

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that are well grounded in Islam, who can answer some of the some of the things and some of the claims is some people from Muslims come up with. And in many countries, they have a body of knowledge, they have a body of scholars, they have a long history of Islam.

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When someone comes in and tries to make some kind of claim in Islam,

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they know who the scholars are, they know who are calling in, and they can take these claims to those people. And they have the ability to, to refute the claims or to show why they are false and incorrect.

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And they have to tell everybody about these mistaken claims and to warn them about the thinking. Unfortunately, here, we don't have

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it, it is quite easy, in fact, for many people to come up with many things, and no one really to answer them, or no one will need to respond to them.

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Also, some of even some of the organizations that we have currently in in the West, and again, in North America, in particular,

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are set up in such a way that they kind of feel like we Muslims are very weak, and we're standing minority here. So they're just trying to bring together all Muslims.

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And they're not really interested in necessarily, in looking for

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the one true Islam, the Islam of the person.

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They're more interested in just bringing together people who call themselves Muslims, and uniting them on some kind of basic platform, same chromosomes come together.

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And when they do that, they bring in lots of ideas, lots of concepts that are actually formed with them. And they allow those concepts to spread among the people in the name of Mr. moonpie, or something of that nature. So that's another problem that we have here in the United States that makes it here in Canada, then makes us a little bit difficult sometimes for us to see you know what is correct and what is incorrect, how should we apply it to them? How should we understand it?

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So, as I said, hamdullah the organizers of this, this gathering

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has set up a number of lectures to inshallah, discuss some of these phenomena, so that inshallah we will be very clear about what is going on. And what is correct about these kinds of movements and what is incorrect about these kind of movements, and how would you like to deal with it?

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This is the first of the lectures in the course as you know, it was supposed to be given yesterday before my flight arrives.

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I was hoping someone had given us some idea

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And I'll be talking a lot about the modern school.

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And we'll get into that in a few minutes.

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We also are supposed to have an inshallah we will have, and I encourage you to put pressure on the organizers to have

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a very important measure about by a barrel he was supposed to be last night. And inshallah, as I said, if you put enough pressure on the organizers inshallah you will be able to get it

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on feminism's numerous them.

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Because there's lots of ideas.

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being spread again, through the United States and Canada and now on the internet is being spread actually throughout the whole world, about what really is Islam and how women should understand Islam and how women should not understand Islam from a man's perspective and purpose. And what it has done some research in that area and has read

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the writings of the leading

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proponents of this idea and has done

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excellent research. So I encourage you to insist that the lecture be given.

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Thirdly, we also alleged to have a lecture on the Nation of Islam.

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Like Islamic State,

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the Nation of Islam, given by brother Adrian Palmer, I think you're all familiar with the Nation of Islam. But after that, he's also going to give a lecture on the post Nation of Islam. I guess the pseudo nation and the Neo nation have been dropped from the schedule.

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And finally, inshallah Allah, again, will be giving a lecture on another phenomena that has developed and that is the Abrahamic faith, faith,

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Abrahamic faith

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in which basically Jews, Christians and Muslims come together, he's saying that following the way of Abraham,

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with another two branches, but anyway, they come together in some training to follow the way of Abraham, so therefore, our brothers, and we should come together for getting any differences that we have among us, among ourselves, and so forth.

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So I think inshallah, these lectures are

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going to be

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and very beneficial for those of us living in the society to realize, and to recognize what is going on, so that we can celebrate, and is for ourselves about what is the truth, and what is Institute. And as I said, inshallah, This lecture

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will be about the modernist school.

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And

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when I was looking at my notes, I noticed that they don't define the Modern School into like, page 12. I don't know if that's the best way to

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give a lecture. But let me just begin by saying a little bit by what we mean about the modernist school, and then go into their development and talk about something that you're going to find is common about many of these different groups that we'll be discussing in these lectures.

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Basically, to put it frankly, what we're talking about, when we talk about the Modern School,

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is the idea or the school that says that Islam has to change, because of the changing of the times.

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And anytime you approach the gene, anytime you approach any religion, with that kind of thinking, that now you have modern times at different times, and so therefore, the religion has to change to meet the new beliefs and cultures of the modern time.

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But what I mean by modern things, and this is something that is not just in Islam.

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There's also in Christianity and Islam Judaism, as we'll talk about in a few minutes. But let me go back in history a little bit

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and talk about something that that developed

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the lead to an early appearance of this modern school which is basically the same, although under a different names that we have noticed

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that have happened in the history of Islam.

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And what happens with this modern this group, what happens with the feminist groups in the Abrahamic faith

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and now let

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the Nation of Islam

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sometimes Muslims are not content

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and not satisfied

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with the teachings of the Quran and Sunnah

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and not satisfied with it in the sense that they don't get everything out of it, that they think that they need.

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So what happens is the sometimes they go to external sources

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Tanisha declared the brown is the Dean of the

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Cameras complete.

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Allah subhanaw taala telling us that he has completed

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our class our religion for us.

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Everything that we need for guidance is in the Quran and Sunnah. And the things that transcend

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it, there's no need for any Muslim ever to go beyond the Parana Sunnah. And what it points to, to the guide.

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There's no other sources that we need to turn.

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And this principle, can either support the film team and explain all the details and explain it in a clear manner and so forth.

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This principle should be something very well understood by all Muslims, that we have our Deen and all this we need for guidance is contained in our deeds.

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We have no need to have to look for other places for God

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has cleared as basic as that idea should be to any Muslim. Historically speaking.

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That's not always the case with respect the practice of

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historically speaking many times the Muslims look to external sources.

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And they try to see what these other sources have.

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And sometimes they become very impressed with these other sources.

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Such that they get so impressed with those other sources that they get to the point that they say that the Koran and cinema also have

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the person that doesn't matter, these things must be consistent with those things.

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So they begin to interpret the problem sooner, in the light of these externalities

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are no longer

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pointing to the principles of subrogation like the principles of subpoenas.

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But instead of trying to make the father some nuts, and what it says compatible with what these external sources say,

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as I said, that happen relatively early in the history of Islam.

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An example of that, during the time of the Khalifa, for example, a man

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who lives in the envisioning from 170 to 231.

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During this time,

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a number of the books

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of the Greeks

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began to be translated into Arabic.

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Now, one of the problems with that one of the things that we have to keep in mind is that a lot of these books were

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science books, so to speak, like mathematics and things like that.

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So, they had some aspects, that perhaps they did not have the time or they were not that much into. So therefore, they were very much

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influenced, or very much, I should say, impressed I mean by what these books contain.

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But at the same time, you have to realize that in the Greek thinking,

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philosophy, and talking about God, and so forth, all of this was also part of Greek thought and part of even when writing about mathematically we talk about these things, when writing by logic, when we talk about God.

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However, what happened is there were so impressed with the one aspect that they bought, all of it also must be good.

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So they went to see what the Greek thinkers for example, said about the place of human reasoning, said about God and so forth.

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And since they were so impressed with their thinking, they concluded that, you know, the Quran must have the same kind of thing.

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And some of them begin to interpret the plot in such a way that it is consumers consistent with the green

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thumb, and this happens a lot, when even further

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and further what they have is the truth.

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But basically, their purpose what what they have is the truth.

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And the Quran and Sunnah has to be consistent with what they have.

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Because there's somebody in the pond that is not consistent with what they have, who has to figure out some way to interpret it and make it consistent.

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So there's some headache that is not consistent with what they add because according to them, you know, this ties in everything with a dad, this is reality. This is fact you can't deny it.

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So does the Harry Potter me that is not consistent with what they

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You know what we'd love to say,

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then we'll just reject the

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approach.

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So they kind of turn things upside down. And of course, we're talking about some are more extreme than others. You know, some, by some philosophers in the history of Islam, what are known as philosophy delve into it completely. And really were philosophers are called Muslim philosophers, but in fact, they have very little to do with

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some of that is known as the martyr Villa, they went to some extent, though in the Greeks, and some extent they did. So, you have I mean,

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you cannot,

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do not want to bundle it all into one, one thing, but you have to distinguish really, between different levels.

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But one thing that the very clear

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among many of them, including among many of them,

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is that, they begin to exaggerate the rule of law or human reasoning,

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they begin to give it any such importance.

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That even even from the point of view of human reasoning,

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even from from the point of view of human reasoning, and even beyond what human reasoning Can, can do.

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And even when it came to be talking about Gods, for example, which they had never seen and talking about here, after which they have no idea, no experience, even in these matters,

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they allow the human reasoning to rule and to decide what is correct and what isn't.

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And, as I said, even from logical point of view, it doesn't make sense. But it gives you an idea of the priority, and the importance that they give you.

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The human agent, can judge about God and about the doctrines of

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one of them, for example.

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And because of this,

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and because of this kind of approach,

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we begin to see,

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especially the Sahaba, and so forth, it conveys, like any other human being, they begin to treat every thought through like just coming from humans.

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To the point even they begin to fish, some of them begin to think,

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like, it's just like any other human being.

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One of them was a famous one.

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And this is someone who is not I mean, you can call him an extremist, though, say among the martyrs, you know, just represent as an

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extreme.

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He said, walking your religion under the banner of meaning and Lacan.

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And do not be satisfied with narrations from Poland and Poland. In other words, use your mind.

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And listen to what your mind tells you, what your mind tells you and just ignore what is related to us on the topic of animism.

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The opposite of your mind tells you this is right. And the other generation coming out is saying this, just ignore it.

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So let's go existed in the history of Islam

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refuted by many people on many, many different points. And they kind of they kind of died out. They were known as

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the kind of dead on in the ideas and their influence existed still existed, they both sister being read

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in all their books, they're not all bad.

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Now they say that even you know, even a watch that isn't running is correct twice a day. So any other books did not contain all bad, they did have some bleeds, and they did have some, and in some times they were very good.

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And so they continued to be continued to be there and so forth.

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But they kind of influence they had a period in which even the ruler was kind of

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spreading their teachings and then they kind of died out.

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However, in Europe

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during the time of what they called the Renaissance

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Renaissance many people say that the Renaissance was due to Muslim influences.

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However, unfortunately,

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they are forgetting that the Renaissance, the Muslim influences had a lot to do with the Renaissance.

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That's really like the Muslims are doing the opposite analogies.

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The Christians or the Europeans took something from the Muslims and they left out the most important thing.

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They took out they took the the concept of scientific you know, research

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and inquire into scientific matter.

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But they left the idea that all of this must be according to the level of our data, and it should be a way to be versatile.

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They took one idea and they left the other. And, in fact, it led to them becoming completely secular as the most are many areas of the West.

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Developed in the West as this science was coming from the Muslims, for example, the Muslim Spain, and spreading to the rest of Europe and having influence on the European way of life.

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What happened over time is that

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scientific facts

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begin to contradict what they called scientific facts. And that's another

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thing that we might have to get into. And what they believed in is scientific facts begin to contradict the Bible.

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There were scientists, who are doing tests and so forth, and experiments, and coming up with conclusions

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that were not consistent with the Bible.

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Now, we as Muslims, we shouldn't be surprised by that, because we know that the Bible has been tampered with.

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And if this kind of thing will never exist, with the spectacle,

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done with respect to the Bible, since it is

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a loss of human distortion.

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It's not surprising that we've seen

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so what what developed

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is a core genes, many of these scientists were persecuted.

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They were burned, some of them were burnt at the stake,

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through imposition, just like the Muslim children go to Spain, to Inquisition, to

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begin a movement

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in in Europe,

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and basically the

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word developed among the Jews, and among the Christians, and we will not go into too much detail about this.

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But they developed among among the Jews and the Christians a movement

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which is known as the as the modernist movement,

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which tried to handle this head off, how can we have the Bible saying one thing? And yes, we see scientific facts things?

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Well, the solution was

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to change the attitude towards the Bible.

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And to understand some, some will take repercussions simply just reinterpreting the Bible.

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Others would say, okay, the Bible is still true as a whole, but it came down to humans. So therefore, when it comes to specific matters,

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it could be wrong. So we have scientific fact that goes against me just ignore what the Bible says.

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So these poses they said, they began to develop among the Jews and among the Christians.

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Now, in many cases, there were things that were not really related to science at all. And this is also happening again today that these modernists

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are among the among the Jews.

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Before this modernist movement,

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they did not have music in the in the synagogue, they did not have men and women mixing with each other and other things.

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Now, music and men and women mixing with each other not based on scientific fact,

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the response is not at this moment, otherwise, you have to change not just with respect to scientific facts, but really with respect to culture, cultures change, so let's change the religion. And this is also a point that we have to keep in mind when we talk about the modernist movement in Islam, because the same thing is kind of has kind of developed.

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Now, what's happened in the

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what happened, as you know, in the, in the Muslim world,

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after this period, when, when you took the

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idea of science from the Muslims, when they became developed on this idea, and they became with respect to a material point of view, they became stronger.

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Then the Muslim Muslim world was decaying and the Western Europe was right.

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And it's kind of funny sometimes when you think about what's going on, and

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so the Europeans began to dominate and colonize

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the Muslim men.

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So they became some choices for the Muslims.

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First of all, why were the Muslims decaying?

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And it was clear that the Muslims were decaying became because they had lost instead of going to the

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Planning and learning directly from financing and applying for financing this is

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what they call the door to Etihad in general who was considered close, they just took from the earliest scholars and applied with the earlier scholars and without really going through the process and to see what is the true guidance.

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So they began to develop really three,

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three approaches to the Western

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approach was to reject everything from the west.

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Whether it was good or bad, just rejected and let's just stick with our traditional and custom, traditional religion. And

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then now, as I said, this practice is demonstrated from the Quran.

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So they want to vote for this reject, reject everything from

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a second vote, which we love to discuss in more detail

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to accept everything from the west.

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I mean, you can find some people

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like the Hussein who said, we have to accept everything from the west, the good of it, and the bad of it.

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And you will not remember these people this is this is at a time when the Muslims had fallen

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behind economically, materially,

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militarily.

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So for some people, the answer was to basically to give up Islam, you know, why are we behind? We are behind because of our plan. And because of our culture, we have to give up our time and our culture and follow the way of the West.

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I mean, some ridiculous things, some statements like, you know, the reason we're behind is because we do not have theater music, like Louis has.

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I mean, you can actually find statements like this from Muslims earlier this century, they were late lessons.

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So that was one approach.

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And he tunes completely follow the West and except whatever the West isn't.

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A third approach

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was the approach that people like, you know, to do properly and others

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pretend that there's something clearly wrong with the Muslim world.

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The answer and the solution to the problems in the world is not in following the West, but is in a true return to

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animals in Kasumi.

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In Syria, for example, he started just a moment in which he was pitching this idea. Yes, there's definitely something wrong with us. But the thing that is wrong with us is not you know that we don't have men and women mixing in theater, music, and so forth. But the thing that is wrong with us as we have not really the teachings of the Quran,

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I want to

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talk more about the group that basically wanted to accept the ideas of the west

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to some extent, to complete extent.

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And, of course, this was something in the interest of the rest of

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the rest, of course, have had a hatred for Islam for many years, they also wanted to open up all the markets of the Muslim world and dominate them economically as was viciously included politically and then thirdly, and everything.

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And it concentrated on certain areas of the Muslim world.

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Because printed on Turkey, which was the seat of the philipa, this was the head of the Muslim

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Muslim governments.

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They're also countries concentrate on the indo Pak subcontinent,

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which was a very important phone in one of the best sources of wealth at that time. And they're mostly agriculture and mining.

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And because they are Egypt,

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Egypt was kind of the intellectual head of the Muslim world, as it was there and so for

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me, there is a concentrate on on quite a bit.

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If you're familiar with what happened in Turkey, of course, Turkey,

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over time finally became a complete cyclist states.

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During the time Mustafa Kemal, he changed the scripts from Arabic script to landscape T, he prohibited the calling of the event, and he changed the dress of the people. And so

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because of time, we're just kind of we have to skim through some of the developments. But let me talk a little bit about

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So I had fun.

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And this has been done, sir died

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at 17 to 18. And

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he insisted on being cancer.

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So, I think that we dropped, The surgeon said this would be

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the best.

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From 1817 to 18. And a quarter was during the time in which the British were very much involved in the,

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in the dominating the indo Pak sub continent. There was a mutiny, of course, in 1857, after which time the British completely dominated Indian

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society. And I wanted to discuss him because he's a little bit

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you know, the prototype of the kind of people that we're talking about here.

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From his early days, in India, He mixed with the British.

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And he spent his youth attending, you know, the British kind of parties with dancing and music, as was customary for he came from an upper class, so that was customary for the people at his time.

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However, he arrived at the conclusion,

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especially after the mutiny in 1857, he was at the conclusion that the salvation of the Muslims depended upon cooperating and defending the British and adopting their culture.

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He pointed out that enmity between Christians and Muslims on religious grounds is prohibited by them. Because of all the religions in the world, Islam has the most respectful Christ and His guidance.

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And you can hear that again today.

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Basically, what what he tried to do, as we said, is, he tried to remove any differences between the Muslims and the English, he was the first to know the the Muslim scholars at the time, they were very, somewhat tough,

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sometimes very difficult.

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So the society Hassan was the first one to give a fuck to say that it is allowed for Muslims and Christians to eat at the same table.

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Of course, he did that, you know, to open the door for

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breaking down the social barriers between the English and the Muslim. So the Muslims would be able to adopt the culture of the English.

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He had this idea that the Muslims are as he called them, the Mohammed ins of Egypt and Turkey. In fact, one time he wrote in 1869, when he visited England, he said the Mohammed ins of Egypt and Turkey are daily becoming more civilized.

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See, that's the point that's, that's one of the points that you have to keep in mind, is that to become civilized means you're following the way of the West.

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Today, to become civilized, you have to follow the way of the rest. And even you can hear that, by the way, many times in the political week, leaders of the West, you know,

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I remember one time I forget what happened. But Iran did something

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to that what Iran did, but the name of the

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oil.

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That then for one time, in a speech, he says, Well, you know, you always forget to give

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the speech after you're done did something. He said, I'm just very happy that one of the civilized nations of the world didn't do

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the same kind of thing. They said, society, as

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you said, until the modern education of the masses is pushed on as it is here in England, it is impossible for natives to become civilized and honored. So what he did in 1878,

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he began a University College.

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And the purpose of that was to create a modernized group and

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the medium of education, the language in which

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everything would be taught was English.

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Of course,

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just breaks up when you when you when your next generation is trying to learn a specific language in order to get ahead and so forth and go to college and graduate which is still happening in the Muslim world. And in the Muslim world, people don't care that much about Arabic anymore. If they know that to get a good degree and to get a job, they have to learn English.

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And they're going to come spend more of their time on English than ever. So some of his some of his ruling

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society is that polygamy is contrary to the spirit of Islam, and should not be permitted except in working.

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Modern bank business transactions, loans and international trade, making up our money modern economy. Although all incoming payments of interest do not fall under the definition of Riba and therefore are not contrary to local funds.

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punishment for down, amputation of the hand with death stoning for doping. And 100 lashes for fornication are barbarians, and suitable only for a primitive society, which lacks presence. In the San Jose Mercury News newspaper in San Jose, California, they are interviewed one of the leading imams of a mosque Islamic Center in California. And he said basically the same thing with the idea of amputating hands and so forth. This is a barbarian, barbaric and blah, blah, systems criminals.

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And of course, he hadn't been through I need to mention it.

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And it is just one example of the of the kind of people that develop.

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There was many more than him and as this especially in, in Egypt, you have, for example, Kasim, amin and former senior many of

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you have many with the same kind of idea that look, Things are different now than during the time of the farmer hammer. So tell them perhaps what the talk was fine and good for that time.

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But we have to change no longer good, if he wants to become civilized, and modern and progressive people, we have to leave the Quran and we have to leave the center behind. And in order for us to become modern and civilized people. Now, as I said, like talking about Mozilla, once again,

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you get I mean, there's a wide range of people, some are really extreme and some are less as extreme.

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But the idea, one constant thing among them all,

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that basically we have to reinterpret the religion.

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And we have to re understand the religion

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in the light of what we presently know, nowadays as knowledge.

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So for example, scientific facts,

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any new fact no should make us re insert the difference. And then we understand the put on as soon as, unfortunately, they don't just leave this to scientific facts.

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But they also spread it to

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sociological theories,

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and things of that nature, many things that are not actually scientific facts.

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And sometimes they do not distinguish between scientific theories and hypotheses, and scientific facts.

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There's also a big difference between those two. But what they do is they take sociological theories, economic theories, whatever. And based on these dates

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are based on some minor evidence they're willing to go through the process and know

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and reinterpret or reject portions of the Quran.

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And you're not consistent with these things. Anytime you get this kind of reasoning anytime you get this kind of thinking. And this is the kind of thing I'm talking about when we talk about the Modern

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School. As we know in Islam, the Quran and Sunnah as we said, it is complete, it is preserved Allah subhanho wa Taala until the day of judgment, it is presumed Allah subhanho wa Taala for all of us to follow it and observe it interpretive, there is no need for any change in the gene.

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For example, it does need some people who follow this approach they consider themselves

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and making

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the claim that the reviving religion

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but heritage deed itself even if you know the the meaning of it from the Arabic point of view, it means something existed, it was lost and you bring it back to its original state.

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So even touch deep into history of Islam in the future is down what it means is that when Muslims stray away from the Quran, Allah subhana wa tada is going to send them people or bring them back.

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And it is never anytime we're never any need to change the parameters to know.

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And even our understanding of the function must be consistent with the understanding of the bonuses.

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So what happens sometimes, as I said,

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is that people simply go to the office and

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they take some points or some hypothesis or something in their mind.

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And simply on the basis of that they're willing to reject something for example that has been established among the Muslims for years and pretend.

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I just give two examples.

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One of them I'm borrowing from the English to know to mention.

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One of them for example, is the idea of

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Muslim women

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marrying non Muslim men.

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I think everyone would agree

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that the Quran and Sunnah or the Quran, self makes it very clear that it is prohibited.

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And what's the woman to marry a non Muslim men.

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However, some people have found it in themselves.

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But if you look, for example, at American women,

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American women are different.

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And the women at the time the President.

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So therefore, nowadays, under our new society, our new culture, a new way of life, we have to change this law upon which our lesson handling data has revealed for guidance until the day of judgment.

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We have to change this law beforehand.

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Because American women are different from the woman at the time.

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And because they're different in theory, or I don't know what

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they carry guns or something in these infused with guns, I don't know, I'm just gonna explain I don't know why they're different.

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So therefore, this man says this is allowed for Muslim women to marry men.

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And another example. And I want to finish up so we have time for questions or comments.

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This is really this example, I think shows you the way thinking that I'm,

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I'm trying to make you aware of and

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shall I be careful about?

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Someone was talking about the Hadith of the thermometer,

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narrated by Rebecca.

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And when she said that people will never puffer

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if they're if their fans are in the hands of a woman.

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Now, the example I'm going to point out, kind of tells you kind of shows the approach of these, these people.

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Someone in a lecture, he said,

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he said the TARDIS is inside your body.

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And he said, although there is usually a reliable source of

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the truth is not true.

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First, he said the according to the scores of heads of a buck it up is not a trustworthy narrative.

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And that's the first one I want to see it many times you'll find among these people among the writing, they'll say things that are not true.

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And the hope is that the commoners who are listening to them

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or the non communist, whoever's listening to them, will not actually research what they said and will be probed by witnesses. Because obviously, otherwise, how could you make this decision?

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I went through about 23 books of original

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23 books about narrators of heresy, what every scholar could find, taught says about abubaker and not one of them said

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and their leader is the woman.

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This kind of approach to the plot into ideas that are accepted by the scholars is

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just unbelievable.

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That you can just take any this kind of thing and say, Oh look, Indira Gandhi, and both of my year

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when the Indira Gandhi, of course, She's famous for

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why some people don't like them rulers, because

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Indira Gandhi, because when she was in power stretches sterilized the men or the women.

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If it does, what happens when you get a woman ruler,

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male, but Canada ideal

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from the Islamic point of view, and it is up to the foreigner to how it is described, what is the

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character that doesn't imply GMP, the gross national product of a country is going up? Whether they win a war against Pakistan or something of that nature, this is not the last.

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How can you claim that under these three women, these countries have

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has done Islamic prosperity, semi prosperity, first of all, that would imply that all of them must have became sort of become Muslim for them to really have. Because from his point of view, is not just in the junior but also in the

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anytime you see.

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It is talking sometimes just even about the after, what about the hereafter? And

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so what did these people have, under these woman rules that you can say, well, this may not be authentic, or actually for him to stay Clearly, the metaphor because of his own rules. This Hadith is not

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Another guy was talking to another speaker, another writer, well known writer, he was talking about music, writing about music. And all he said is,

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I thought that a mouth is one day and thought about music and I didn't see anything wrong with it.

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And as I said, there's a wide swing.

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And this kind of approach to the Crohn's and this kind of approach of the gene, this is very dangerous.

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And these people want to follow it.

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And

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sometimes there's not much we can do about it. But at least we ourselves, we have to realize that this is not the way to approach the Quran and Sunnah.

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And we have to allow the Quran and Sunnah to speak for itself. And we have to understand things in the light of the Quran and Sunnah.

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And not the opposite, we go out in the world and understand things and then goes to the Quran, Sunnah. So judging, based on our understanding of the way the world works,

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and but this kind of movement, which is spread, and it's very strong, especially in the United States,

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it is very dangerous. And the bookstore, there's another new book about them, I picked it up in Arabic.

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As I said, it's a movement that is very dangerous, that is not spoken about probably as much as it should be, especially here in the West, where they are very strong, where they have some centers where they are propagating

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their beliefs. So up until this time, I have given you some idea of their posts, something to be aware of, but then inshallah when you come across it, and when you come across these people at the very least, you will not be influenced and you will not be affected by them

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almost a half an hour

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just as an answer to a question. So

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I'd like you to stop about

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are they saying that they're making, like

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your

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religion about medical doctors

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and things

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like that.

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There's two, two aspects.

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Number one is this is what you alluded to that and in order to make it stand out,

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you have to have the quality that it takes to make HDR, and you have to have some certain background

00:48:07--> 00:48:10

image the image there in a very small area,

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otherwise you might have some understanding of or you might have a good understanding of Islamic legal theory. And then for example, with respect to

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such that you make

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any decisions that you make for mistakes in the prayer and he was combined to get everything you can find and you study all of them, maybe you only studied with respect to that particular point and not with respect to anything else. But in order to be a mustard, you have to have certain capabilities and a deep understanding of the beam basically, what those capabilities are. Secondly, also any he had is not performed when there is

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if there is a statement from the Quran assuming that x and y is haram or halal, then there's no he had

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she had is to be done in those areas in which there is no statement from the promisee

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so the plan says that

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it's not allowed for Muslim women to marry non Muslim men, then there's noise behind them. And so the Quran says you don't make he hadn't you may make he had in some area close to it that is not directly covered by it.

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But obviously you cannot make it to be had when something is covered by the person so they are making it scared in those areas that are covered by the plan sooner than this is absolutely wrong. All the scholars agree that it's jihad is only to be made when there's no text in the Quran Sunnah. If they are making jihad in areas which are not covered directly from the Quran and Sunnah, then they are making a mistake by making stupid when they're not qualified to make

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before

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going back

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to cover up

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everything

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Are

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you

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they have a cultural

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background.

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They're the one that when the media was no

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information,

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everyone has to realize this the the Sharia is not for us as individual.

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And we apply as individuals what we find is good and not good.

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The good the Sharia has come from Allah subhanho wa Taala, who knows the nature of man who knows nature for men,

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and in other words, all mankind and knows what things in society will lead to evil and what things may not lead to. If some things are beneficial and do not lead to evil, then there are halaal and there is evidence for them to be halal or haram. However, is there something wrong, I mean, if there's something that needs to evil, and the evil of it is greater than the benefit from it, and unless I know the data, knows that destiny will lead to to evil for human beings and Allah subhanaw taala has,

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I don't know what the point that this person was making, whether or not should be held for him to look at women's arms or whether or not should be held for women to show their arms.

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Because you know, the Allah subhanho wa Taala knows the nature of men. And there could be many, many reasons why Allah subhanho wa Taala

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has prohibited women from from from showing the Maven using his argument. And it could be the case that if you allow them to show their arms, and he's not affected by that, then they may go on to show something else that is affected by you don't I mean, you don't know? Well, unless and without as stated, it's I mean, if you look at the West

00:52:26--> 00:52:30

now in many states is not illegal, for example, for women to uncover their breasts in public.

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That we started with one guy in New Jersey who said when they come to their house, I don't see anything special.

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And then over time it develops and Okay, now the thing if you go on bikini doesn't affect 20 years from now they're gonna say if she goes out No, doesn't affect me.

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While at the same time, of course, we know what's happening with the spectrum.

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Also,

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the modernists are there are some modernist, the presence of modernity.

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And they say that we have to change everything

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when those kind of people are not too concerned about because most Muslims will look at them and say, you know, this guy's a little bit off his rocker.

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But they I mean, there are some like cousins of mine, he said I am a modernist and we have to change them.

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So there are some kind of a wide thing. So there are some who basically, they say the Quran, Sunnah gives us guidance, but we can reject and accept what guidance we need according to our understanding.

00:54:05--> 00:54:08

That is basically a rejection of Quran.

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We are the more dangerous ones or those who are claiming

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that

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they're not coming out saying we're Muslims. They are claiming that this is the way Islam is meant to be. And this is the correct interpretation of Islam.

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Now when I say that they are a movement,

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what I mean by that, as you said, it is like a trend of thought in some cases.

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And it may be no relationship between someone in Chicago and someone in Karachi was the same way of thinking.

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However, at the same time, especially in the in the United States, I'm not that familiar with Canada on this point. But in the United States, they have

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three or four major centers

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that they are using to propagate. I mean even with magazines and TV, TV shows

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are actively propagating this

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view of Islam, they are presenting this as an alternative to Islam. So in some cases it is I mean, you can see this as a movement, these are the leaders of the movement, this is what they're doing. In other cases, it is the kind of trend of thought that is spread.

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He said, stay away.

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This depends on on on your own particular situation. I mean, if you're if you're just

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someone who doesn't have much influence or cannot do much, then you just stay away from them inshallah you'll be safe from their from their mistakes. If you are someone who's like, has some

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position of authority or respect among the people,

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then I think it's obligatory upon us

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to work against them in the sense that, first of all, you study them you understand where they're coming from, and what kind of arguments they use. And you study those arguments to be able to refute them well. And you own other people about these arguments, and you show why the arguments are false.

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And if you are in a complete position of authority, and you know that some people are going to come trying to present this, these views and spread it among, especially among the users over then use your position of authority to block them and not allow them to distribute their materials or to give directions. So it really depends on where you are. This is a case of almost every, there are basically a group of data.

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So that's basically the case with every group.

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You don't have anything to do with them. Don't even read the readings.

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There was some noise in the middle of the lessons where the question actually was, could you repeat the question?

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The lesson is known for the actual question, Mark.

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I don't think there's any question that the Muslim sisters have a very important role in Dallas.

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But I don't think that that role is as it is sometimes done. And it's

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both for the men and for the women

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as being an example of what Islam is all about.

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Well, one of the aspects of the women in Islam is that in general, they are not out in front of the public, they are not in particular, out in front of men and so. So for them to be making power to Islam by going out in front of men and being out in fundamental ways and speaking directly to men and getting close involvement. This means they're making doubts to something that data cells are not actually implementing

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what they have, and at the same time, then

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you're not supposed to be you know, going out to coffee with women to explain to them about Islam or something of that nature. And when when women come to the mosque, and so forth to ask about Islam, this is really the role of our sisters to take them in, to talk to them and to explain to them about this, under the proper Islamic circumstance. So that was just as much ruled by the laws of Islam as anything else. And it was only the political and when it came to making our doing things that went against the promise. This is not important. And it is not part of our today.

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The most important role of our sisters is to explain it to them and to teach Islam to those women who are interested in learning.

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I don't think they should I mean, if you can arrange.

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If you can arrange for a meeting with women only, for example,

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to lecture to the woman what to do in a mosque or whether it be in the church or whatever. Of course, this is

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If we can arrange to talk to the women

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in the mosque or in the church, talking to a group of women,

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some kind of women's

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meeting, there's no no harm in that. And of course, that would be very good. But I wouldn't recommend arranging lectures for, for a woman to go and talk to this church group in front of the men and the women and so forth, and then going to another and so forth. Because again, and again, this is not something that is rooted in Islam. And again, she's making delve into something that's different from what she is actually showing that the

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obligation of Islam is part the setting the example of being a Muslim, but

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also avoiding men and not mixing with men and not going out in front of men to talk them it's also part of

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being

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a woman could go out. And I've heard this argument that if I go in front of

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non Muslims wearing hijab, they reject me.

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So I should go to talk to them about Islam, I'm not wearing Hijab

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when you just take it one step further,

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I'm saying it's the same, it's the same argument that you do some things

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there may not be proper for you in the name of the doll and this is not

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a position of basis that when I get first of all, if you want to be if you want to be able to develop Java and make it professional, you actually become Bella that means you

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men going outside as a woman

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admire depending if a woman director fell outside his home setting up the ship and picking up the home

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from the woman's

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house

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live

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in this world, where multinational companies all over the economy applications applications worldwide is recognized interest of the

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company the other companies

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in the bank.

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So how can you decide

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as a company

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in

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Indonesia

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think as an individual,

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first of all you do you do the best that you can to avoid anything which is wrong. And you do your best not to rationalize something, which is

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what I mean by that is by saying for example,

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exactly like what the question said, Oh, look, you know, how strong the multinational companies are, and we can do anything a lot, we also deal with interest. So, therefore, let's deal with interest to me must be okay for us in a decent sense.

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kind of approach. And it is not, it is not correct. From the point of view of the Quran and Sunnah. And if you if you want to make for example, Muslim strong, as a whole, if you want in the self as an individual can be strong as a whole, as an as an individual. And he just comes by applying

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by returning to the Quran sooner, and avoiding those things that are Haram, no matter how tempting they are.

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And in some things are going to be very tempting, but if the Muslims can resist them for the sake of Allah, subhanaw taala, Allah subhanaw taala will help them will bless them, and we're given something better.

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And it's something stronger than any because our you know, our man is the strongest thing that we can have, for example, in Afghanistan, when the Russians had all that weaponry and everything, but they were not able to defeat the Mujahideen and when it's done, and one of the reasons for that a lot of them is because they had the man and that a man, you know, being a doll and willingness to sacrifice bullets of our data is much stronger and much more than all the weaponry that they had. So and we have our own sources of strength, if we want to

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actually use

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an example

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Today

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advice of my counsel, I will not answer that question in the description of the tip.

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I think the, the,

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you know, there's two approaches to this topic, either you name names, or you don't name names. And I think the I think the organizers here would prefer to not name names.

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Although although the other speakers, I can assure you are going to name names.

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Lot of

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years just wanted to

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make this process.

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So that's

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what would make them

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refer to them as

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the western thinking.

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I didn't mean to imply that.

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But there is something very,

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say that Santos not a Muslim,

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or these people as a whole were not Muslim, because you don't know exactly the situation in which women believe. But I'll say this, and I'll just make this point.

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To believe, as Allah subhanaw taala says that, we want to be Batman, Batman, and you believe in for the book and reject for the book, to reject anything from the frog, to reject anything from a brand

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to reject anything that has been authentically narrated from them, and you're not rejecting it because it has not been

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narrated authentically, this, also

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to believe that there is some portion of Islam that we no longer have to apply today. This is to believe that there is some way of life or some new system that is equivalent or just as good or better than Islam, this is

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abuse.

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So these people are treading on a very thin line, some of them, it seems clear a lot of that some of them have gotten over the line. Some of them are carrying as I said, they are treading on a very dangerous

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and alive.

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I want to talk about

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and

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actually

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you been

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trying to come up with a

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name like you have more than a niche.

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Dr.

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David,

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let

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me just comment on that first part. Now let me come in

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with respect to that first part that you said that there's something clear

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And somebody else says something going against them should be the case, if we just pretty much ignore that the result, we don't worry about it.

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I would agree with you 100%. Except the many times the people who make such statements have influenced them following

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and the one who is following him many times doesn't know, how long does it

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and I like this example of others is a woman who is where he said of a book, it is not an authentic narrator, and, and so forth. I'm sure many people in the audience may have been fooled by what he said, and said it isn't authentic and suited for that editor. So has been the case that it is like it is like,

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with respect to you know, the sciences headed.

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Example, never narrated a headache before, then it's not allowed for me to sit down and say, here's a week narrating the lines of and so because there's no point.

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So, I would say that there are many opinions, many statements that people make, that nobody listens to them, I don't talk about them because but the term is those who are listened and being

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listened to,

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should not prohibit

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the slave woman of Allah subhanho wa Taala, from going to the mosque. I don't know of any authentic narration that says that she wants to go to the mosque to get knowledge,

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then you cannot prevent her cases attending the mosque and attending the mosque or getting the benefits of the mosque. The woman wants to do that she should not be prevented by

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the scholars have agreed. I'm saying maybe I shouldn't say that. But what I know among some of the scholars have written and this is what I don't understand

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which is a beautiful upon a woman to get

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on everybody, men and women suffer and under different circumstances. So the importance of knowledge is such that

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if a woman

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is not getting the knowledge where she is or from a husband or in a house or whatever, then she has the right to leave the house without his permission in order to go to the mosque to get knowledge. So the place of knowledge for women is

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and handler nowadays, notice to get knowledge especially in the United States.

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Here in the United States, in the united states of the United States, Canada,

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Canada, and North America.

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Many items if you can get those without having to leave your home like books and tapes.

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There is a minister of

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laws as such.

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Special Events recorded note that if a woman cannot get in her house and she is allowed to leave the house without her husband's permission to go,

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that will pretty much

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for this.

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Short Allah we

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try to allow time