Introduction To The Science Of Hadeeth Part 3

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The importance of preserving the Prophet's teachings and the Sun Parter is highlighted in the context of Islam. The speakers discuss the use of theories to prove claims and the importance of proper recording and handling. The conversation also touches on the recording of hate and the lack of recording for history books. The segment ends with a discussion of the recording of headaches and the importance of knowing who is a source for the recordings.

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Let's start with

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the first

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proof from the position of the center. And as we said,

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over 40 places around the position of the center from when we hadn't table

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the last point that wants to talk related to them, is there

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any proof

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almost no data preserve the some

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of the promises from foreigners any proof

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from the Quran, there's some proof that the Quran was preserved.

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few verses. What about the student of the prophecy?

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Can we say that? For sure I'll listen to preserve the son of the Prophet.

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This verse

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revealed the good

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and we shall preserve it.

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Verse nine, what's the meaning of the Quran this in this verse?

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Could it be just a bra

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does it make doesn't make sense with respect to this verse, executive we talked about them, that could mean the brand.

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Doesn't make sense for it just to mean the fraud in this verse.

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Barely We have revealed the desert of the Quran and we will preserve

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a dictionary.

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If we want to find the medium, but what on

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we have to look

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to see how we want to see how the neurons we fly we have to go to the center of the province.

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So therefore, do we think that all this kind of data just preserved the letters of the Quran

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also preserved the meaning of the Quran and he says we revealed that the Quran will preserve

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which is the case

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it will preserve both the meaning and also the wording of the Quran. So the meaning is the sooner so this verse can be taken as

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evidence with almost no data. And the Quran is promised to preserve the Sunnah of the Prophet

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proof or kind of proof from the Quran itself that the sinner would be preserved. There's also a logical proof

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that the sin of Apostasy then would be preserved.

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What would that logical proof?

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Do you think the logical

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thing we talked about?

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talked about the importance of

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data many times in the fraud or disaster poses, right?

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There's many places in the Quran in which Allah subhanaw taala commands us or points to the importance of the sentiment.

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If it was the case that Allah subhana wa tada did not preserve this, and yet put such a great stress on the students.

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What what the philosopher's called?

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And even something stronger than that

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kind of avatar, and it has almost no data is ordering something when you have no data, or is it over and over enough to preserve the thing. So in other words, is asking the Muslims to follow something that if Allah subhanaw taala did not preserved there's no way they could, they could.

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Therefore also logically and it makes sense that the data was stressed as soon so often in the Quran, also preserved.

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Now, how did all this append without preserving put on?

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I think most people are familiar with them.

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And even whenever the process isn't revealed, or

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received any revelation

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he would tell his followers for

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recorded, and he would tell him exactly where to record it. This verse

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comes after this verse before that verse. And we know that by the time of the death of the Prophet says that

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the whole point on was was recorded.

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And we also know that shortly after the death of the process and made a collection,

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and then during several models,

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this is the history of the Quran, for how to preserve the Quran, that's usually most Muslims know that. But with respect to the preservation of the heads of the processes, or the preservation of the sooner this is a topic which many Muslims are not that familiar with. And we'll be covering today some of the some of the, some of the ways by which the sooner the provinces and

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just one last point about importance of the sooner

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shall it is obvious to everyone according to the scores.

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Anyone rejects the senior is what

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if anyone rejects this

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and he is not rejecting? As I say, even one word from the Quran

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is not rejecting one word, he's rejecting actually many verses in the Quran which Allah subhana wa tada

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points to the importance of

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while we play this importance of assuming that

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it was something well known to the Sahaba

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they knew the place of the province of film, they understood the Quranic verses, concerning the Sunnah. And therefore this led them to do their best to preserve the Sunnah

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Allah Today we will discuss

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some aspects of the early years of Islam are the earliest after the depth of the process. And so before I go on, is there any last question about the importance of the center, or the place of the Sunni Islam

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want it might be that for the last lecture,

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if anyone says that he does not have to follow the soon as the promises,

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for example, you can just follow up on

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that says the order comes from the proper system, and he doesn't have to obey it. And he says enough parts of them. And this is rejected.

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So in other words, it's something the Prophet says to them clearly ordered, for example, the Muslims not to do this thing and

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and the person has no doubt about whether the province has been a citizen. But he says, we don't have even though the province.

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This is the type of rejecting Muslim now, which is

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now there's a hadith and someone says it's not authentic it is that something else is not the same at the same level. And we'll discuss that in more detail

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as the course rolls along.

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And for the bracket

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should we answer this question?

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Not exactly related to

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where we are.

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But suppose someone comes to the center of the policy

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for certain Eddie's and he rejected How do you not because he rejects the sooner the Policy Center, but he rejects that anything that

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doesn't make sense.

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We'll discuss this also later in the course about what kind of heavy it can be rejected on the face.

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But let's say for the time being,

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the question is that reason versus revenue?

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First of all, suppose there's some contradiction between the two. Which one takes precedence?

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For example, there's something there is something stated, and how do you

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our reasoning says this cannot be true. And it has some contradiction between what

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will happen which one Thank you

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have to be

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Which one will take precedence? So that was enough for

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me, I wrote nine volumes on this question. But the answer was that easily could not have written.

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Maybe it's in Orange

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agreement thing is a knuckle gun from

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the doctor, for example, what what we

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are not necessary theory. But let's say what we confirm by science.

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because actually

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most of scientists

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so what's the thing and knuckle comes from home

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and is a source of income is what

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source of Revelation is all about that.

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And the one who created this universe and created all sciences

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is also less than that. So there's no way for the two to actually contradict.

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There's no way for something which is confirmed and nothing to contradict something which is confirmed in an up.

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So when you ask the question in general, yeah, which one takes precedence? doesn't really make sense. So what that means that something is definitive.

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I mean,

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if you go to a

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very poor,

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something is definitive in Revelation. There's no way for it to conjugate

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something definitive.

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And there's no way that

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it was actually from Alyssa

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was opposite of

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what's the other one?

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Mr. Speaker right in front of

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the other one is speaking.

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So is this possible for something definitive, from reason to contradict something suddenly?

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And it's possible for something definitive and nothing to contradict

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If you have a contradiction like this, or like this, the one that is definitive?

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So it's not a question that always takes precedence?

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depends on which one is definitive.

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There's many verses in the Koran or many of you whose meanings actually

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we cannot say for sure. What is the medium,

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for example of us peddling data?

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In the Quran talks about

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the sun, the sun is in its own

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orbit has its own world.

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So this journey, this verse one way we can understand, but it's not clear we cannot say for sure what it means it means that

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somehow the band has some kind of orbit.

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So if we but exactly what it means that we don't know. So we cannot use that verse in the Quran, to try to

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convict something proven by by saying, with respect to the orbit.

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This is the problem was the most.

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But the bigger problem because in the history of Islam, many groups took what they believe

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It was the thing that they believe they took us to be the puppy. While in fact it is not because

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so if you have a situation like this where that visit Eddie

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and someone and he rejects that, have you made that happen? And he claims it, suddenly, this is not the same thing as ridiculous.

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In other words, he is accepting the soon as the source of all what I mean, he's talking about a particular idea that

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with respect to a certain ruling,

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it goes against what he considers scientific facts is not the same thing as

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even the scientific facts.

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For example, not the real facts, the

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facts and theories just thing we want to inspect.

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Yeah, because even before like, for example, yeah.

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Yeah, but,

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but like, for example,

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we don't know, always we have.

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But sometimes, we use theories to prove that something is true, but

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from the premises, we work on it, but then themselves evolve to time, which would have been true, but we got to

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talk about change, in theory, not changing back.

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Back to something that is true, one plus

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one plus one

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equals two.

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Over time, there's gonna be disproven, that's the word theory is

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if you say that this is a theory, that means that may be proven or disproven.

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I mean, that's what if you if you say, for example, in economics,

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if you say something that cannot be disproven, just like this is not a theory.

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theory has to be something that can be proven or not proven. Facts is something different.

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So facts will never contradict

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that there is my

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Anyway, this is how we're getting

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there someone makes something like this, that is based on

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not the same thing as it is not the same thing as rejecting it, maybe making a mistake. And it depending on the situation, but it's not the same thing.

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And they they will not make

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this kind of thing, rejecting you, on the basis of luck.

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Table wrote a book refuting them called that were

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basically directed towards particular and there were

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two opinions.

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Okay, that's much later in the course.

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this is something later in the course, Java will

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tell you something.

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We have to we have to distinguish between two things.

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One is

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Everything in the Quran

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and almost What

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are definitively

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confirmed, definitively confirmed.

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definitively confirm

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everything in the Quran says definitively confirmed. No question about that. You cannot I mean, everything in the Quran. definitively confirm. You cannot go to a verse in the Quran. Or what was the reason say that's not true.

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cannot do that.

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Because it has been confirmed. Yeah, no question about but that's different between

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you writing Arabic?

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These two are two different things, everything in the Quran is definitively confirmed. But as evidence oranges meaning nuts is not always definitive, what does it mean exactly?

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We have to distinguish between these two

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actually advertisement for the course in the fall

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as well.

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So to reject these, these are not true, this is not. And this is even to the level, many of them, I will say this level to reject something,

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because it is considered considered acceptable.

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But when it comes to talking about the meaning of the head, you can say the Hadees is true, but the meaning is not that people understand

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everything in the branches and

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the votes but not everything in the product.

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Not make the clear for him.

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Yeah, he's saying he's not saying that this isn't true. But the thing is the way you apply it, or the way you understand is not correct. And this is the mean, and

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what have you,

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which is what we call that

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the question

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was a

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long time ago.

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And then there's

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not only because people understand in some way and they understand

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they say in the meeting, and also

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they have something from APA which is up there.

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Then the commercial

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when we talk about signs of fabricated

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we're going to be using any that

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any there are things there are some Eddie's which there's no question that the province does not suit and they are not,

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know, move on to some of the ways in which the the province system was, was preserved.

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And the first one we'll talk about is the recording of headings.

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First of all, let's just bring two points out at the beginning.

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For the athletes who have been

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economists would have liked

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to have been preserved.

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For the purpose preserves, is it a necessary condition that the heavies were recorded?

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Of course,

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because so many of them will repeat one of the points that they tried to make, especially the past century, is that anyone familiar with it in the Philippines say about the recording of Haiti.

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Sometimes they say 200 years after the death of the club.

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And they tried to use that as evidence that heads were not preserved.

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So the first thing we have to realize that recording something and writing something down is not unnecessary.

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their condition reports have been preserved,

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it helps

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it helps

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support the preservation

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is it a sufficient condition?

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Okay. Also recording itself is not a sufficient condition, but the recording has to be done properly

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has to be checked.

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As we see, as we'll see in this course,

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not only was it recorded,

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but also it was checked to make sure that

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according to

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some Muslim scholars themselves who believe that if you read some books and find some Muslim scholars themselves who believe that the eddies were not recorded during the time of promises,

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Muslim scholars and so, all of this

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will discuss some of the reasons why they came to this.

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Aaron, Aaron conclusion

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parents means Wrong.

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Wrong conclusion

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is really

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not necessary.

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First of all, what is the Allah subhana wa tada and the Quran

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uses a specific word

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for the air.

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Well, actually for the provinces, but another verse for the Arabs as a whole. what's the what's the lesson kind of out of cold air? Remember what we're talking about?

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Okay, I mean,

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any of the Arab world people who did not know how to read or write in general.

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Okay, there's some reports that said that, at the time the Prophet has sent and received his first revelation.

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How many people in Mecca know how to read

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between 30

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to 30 days to Danny, there's some reports about the time of the process and I received this first revelation.

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There was between 13 to 17. People who know how to read

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chef must have allowed me

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to be a solid

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They famous statement, probably not.

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And they bring lots of evidence, they present many things to show that.

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In fact, there was many things that amongst the Arabs that were recorded, there was there was a poetry there was recorded some of the genealogy records.

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So they conclude this statement probably isn't true.

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But that's one of the statement is one of the arguments that people used to say that the headaches were not recorded because in fact, not too many people knew how to read or read.

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But even if that was the case, at the time, that the province of cinemas received his first revelation. We know for sure that was not the case. By the time the process that I'm done, right.

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What are some of the why do we know that?

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What were some of the things the process has changed.

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Number one, the pulse of cinema exhorting people to learn.

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Getting knowledge is obligatory on every Muslim.

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So first of all, encourage people to learn but what else and he took even more dramatic steps to make sure people will not have to return

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after the after the Battle of button

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In order for some of the price to be free, those who were who did not have the means to free themselves

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down the condition that if they would teach 10 Muslims how to read or write,

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it would be free.

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But one that shows that

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regardless of what number we start out with any of the practices are increased.

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So this was one of the things we did also in his MOS

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there was a number of hubbub

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including the light even, even last

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year even even thought of it.

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And others they used to teach reading and writing inside the mosque of the provinces. And it was their job to teach the Muslims how to read in

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the woods.

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Okay, we're getting we're getting, first thing we're trying to establish is whether they have the means to record.

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That's the first thing, what we're trying to establish Now, did they have the means

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they have the means to record heavy.

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That's what we're trying to establish first, then we'll get to that. So those people who said only 13 to 17 people in Mecca, they know how to read or write.

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That gives the idea that they didn't even have the means to record to record.

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But then we studied the life of the provinces. And we see that

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when the prisoners of buzzard wanted to be free to teach them Muslims.

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There are some people who are taught how to read and write in the mosque of the provinces.

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Also, we know it's confirmed the

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different scholars about that have had a number of secretaries

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who used to read.

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But how many of you have

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what we know for sure from authentic it is now the number is now up to six.

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At least 60 people to Java just to write

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some of them

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used to write just the revelation before on

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some of them used to write letters.

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Like to the emperor of Rome, or the Emperor. Some of them used to write is 3d.

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Silver, so some of them were specialists. Some of them were general.

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They had a nickname for whatever. Remember, he wasn't the generic writer, the the specialist wasn't there, he was the one that they would call

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to record. I forget the nickname. And his nickname gives the impression that they're just waiting for it.

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And also look

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around itself.

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The first concerning

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What kind of data

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to record?

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Now we know all this data also says they can be blown up.

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And you're very few people know how to write

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verses this command would be a hardship on them.

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So we can conclude from these things that

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this question? Yes.

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For me, let's move on.

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Okay, so that's that question is yes. Now again, just because they had the means to record it. Does that mean that they're recording it?

00:34:27--> 00:34:34

No. Okay. So now we have to go on from there. You see actually a flowchart? It's a bit closer in my mind. We're going from top to bottom.

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So yeah, since you brought it up.

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Next question is did they record the heavy

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Hey, what's

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up? Yeah, Ortega. We're talking about

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we have any dissenting views.

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What do you mean? What do you mean?

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The record during the

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to them

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during the public like them, did they report anything

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Well, I mean, I just I just told you that we had 60 polycephalum and 60 secretaries

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some of them used to write letters,

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the treaties are

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already we know that

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they were they were recorded, but some scholars even Muslim scholars again said the promises send them prohibited

00:36:33--> 00:36:33

to record

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the Muslim star says the Prophet says himself prohibited the recording of Hetty

00:36:45--> 00:36:46

What does evidence

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reading from

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the ages of

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Okay, anyone records anything from me except that he should?

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Have you

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heard any system I will say that it is recorded and famous.

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Okay, what else

00:37:45--> 00:37:45

any other heavy

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any other heavy

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is another heavy form of

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this recorded to buy a luxury and

00:38:11--> 00:38:12

also probably saving for three.

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One of the best books on the topic.

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That is until

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he wrote his

00:38:35--> 00:38:36

PhD dissertation on the subject.

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This is by a bug that this had he says that we did our best to get permission from the process to record his headaches but he refused.

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Any other

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I already wrote the three up there. So you know,

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the first thing I will say the country in which the public system says

00:39:16--> 00:39:18

if you record anything from the

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second one says, say the country said we asked them to give us permission to record

00:39:31--> 00:39:32

what wasn't it

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was even sooner. That's action and he prohibited them he says no.

00:39:39--> 00:39:41

It was part of the sermon

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because the third one is Bible.

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Well this one says that the

00:39:54--> 00:39:59

any they were recording his head is in the throes of recording something and he said what are you recording?

00:40:00--> 00:40:01

When they told him that

00:40:02--> 00:40:03

they were recording and

00:40:04--> 00:40:11

he told them that, that you know that the people before you were destroyed because they recorded something other than the book of almost

00:40:13--> 00:40:15

and this may be found in the same book.

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In addition to that,

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in addition to that, it's been narrated from the following

00:40:26--> 00:40:28

that they all disapprove the recording How do you

00:40:29--> 00:40:32

have a stable country to live in the throat

00:40:35--> 00:40:36

of the living above

00:40:39--> 00:40:42

has been recorded for all of them that they disapproved the recording

00:40:44--> 00:40:45

and the following

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are some from from the survey and also even seen him in the bay

00:40:57--> 00:40:57

by hand

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by hand

00:41:05--> 00:41:07

so all of these people

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statements or their statements from them showing that they disapprove of recording it.

00:41:16--> 00:41:17

So what's the conclusion?

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If you are a judge

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Okay, and there's a dispute between your brain and yours

00:41:33--> 00:41:39

helps you answer this and so you're so you decide in the favor of jury? What did you do?

00:41:42--> 00:41:45

In other words, you cannot just look at this evidence and make a conclusion

00:41:46--> 00:41:50

just to see if there's some conflicting and even this evidence you have to study more close

00:41:51--> 00:41:53

this head is weak.

00:41:59--> 00:42:01

This head is also not a

00:42:06--> 00:42:07

recipe for a claim

00:42:08--> 00:42:10

they wants to get around and suddenly

00:42:12--> 00:42:14

they wants to get around this problem and they sent it

00:42:17--> 00:42:18

but if you look at

00:42:20--> 00:42:21

the footnotes to the text

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it says authentic there's no question that the eddies is almost at 100

00:42:29--> 00:42:34

Have you recorded anything? Probably besides the Quran that you should

00:42:42--> 00:42:42

not narration

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the narration and then this book

00:42:52--> 00:42:53


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for those who oppose

00:43:03--> 00:43:04

was an argument by

00:43:07--> 00:43:12

his argument that the reason the Bible says in a prohibited recording is because you're not supposed to be

00:43:16--> 00:43:18

good as a good argument

00:43:24--> 00:43:26

I'm not ignoring your question. I mean, obviously

00:43:28--> 00:43:31

there's some evidence that shows that promises isn't

00:43:32--> 00:43:33

permitted the recording petty

00:43:38--> 00:43:41

if everybody has to follow this and they have to record it somehow.

00:43:43--> 00:43:53

We don't know if we don't support it. Or how can we like transmit as we talked about the first point we made is this recording something is not a necessary condition.

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Not necessary conditions. That's why I went through that point.

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Oh, my thing what make that

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but okay.

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who narrated I don't remember what it was

00:44:23--> 00:44:24

who caused the solution?

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Okay, this is the

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00:45:05--> 00:45:08

Okay, so someone young explains the process in them that you cannot

00:45:10--> 00:45:16

memorize the provinces. So the province told him to assist himself by the use of

00:45:18--> 00:45:19

hand, which means recording

00:45:21--> 00:45:21

any other

00:45:26--> 00:45:29

people's hobby? That's why should you record?

00:45:31--> 00:45:33

also listen, I must be angry.

00:45:40--> 00:45:40

Have you

00:45:45--> 00:45:46

recorded by

00:45:57--> 00:45:59

Sullivan Ahmed, who's to record everything.

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00:46:09--> 00:46:23

So some people told him that he should not record because he's human being in something that gets mad and maybe and he doesn't want you to record what you say. So I suddenly went through the process and of itself and asked him about it and he said to record it, because nothing but the truth is

00:46:26--> 00:46:28

related to this and the one that I mentioned

00:46:30--> 00:46:38

earlier, he said, You will not find anyone narrating more than himself, except off the webinar, not because I used to record the heaviest.

00:46:41--> 00:46:42

Any other

00:46:50--> 00:46:53

The one who used to record everything the process

00:46:55--> 00:46:56

told him not to.

00:46:57--> 00:47:01

Because he might as a human being, he might be something he doesn't want to be recorded.

00:47:03--> 00:47:08

So he went through the process of them and asked him in the process to record for nothing, but the truth needs to

00:47:16--> 00:47:18

go beyond that.

00:47:20--> 00:47:23

Beyond that, also, we have the 60 secretaries

00:47:26--> 00:47:33

of the province, who as we said does not just record the port, but also recorded letters, 3d

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Like I even haven't thought of one time he was asked

00:47:39--> 00:47:40

during the fitness

00:47:41--> 00:47:43

he was asked to be anything

00:47:44--> 00:47:54

from the Quran, I mean, anything from the provinces in the simple Quran, or anything special, where it is only what is written in this paper. And this paper had some

00:47:56--> 00:47:57

punishment for

00:47:59--> 00:48:00

retribution is the murder.

00:48:02--> 00:48:08

Okay, so and there's some more by the way, we could add, so what can we conclude from this?

00:48:16--> 00:48:23

Okay, we conclude that it was recorded during the headies were recorded during the lifetime of the promises.

00:48:24--> 00:48:28

But we still have this phone, right? What can we say about this heavy,

00:48:32--> 00:48:33

heavy, just a couple more.

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Okay, only for specialists,

00:48:41--> 00:48:43

and permission specialists.

00:48:46--> 00:48:47

There's one point about this.

00:48:50--> 00:48:53

And that point is that this was during the farewell pilgrimage.

00:48:56--> 00:48:59

Other words, this this, this permission from the public, that sentence

00:49:00--> 00:49:02

came very close to the end of it.

00:49:04--> 00:49:06

And there's another incident also

00:49:09--> 00:49:13

had it was prohibited to be recorded and either sensitive would not have occurred most likely.

00:49:14--> 00:49:18

And this is this is the death of the process in which he

00:49:20--> 00:49:22

asked for paper to write something for the

00:49:26--> 00:49:27

end of his life.

00:49:29--> 00:49:33

So we have this problem. This one contradicts many, many, many.

00:49:36--> 00:49:37


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which one's

00:49:42--> 00:49:43

This one's ever again.

00:49:51--> 00:49:54

Center in the middle century, is developed as a defense

00:49:55--> 00:49:56

against all

00:50:01--> 00:50:02

He has

00:50:04--> 00:50:05

just put in a footnote.

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So let's look at the ways that the seller is

00:50:12--> 00:50:13

reconsidering these different

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First of all,

00:50:17--> 00:50:20

one of the early sources of hate.

00:50:24--> 00:50:28

Just hate the title. This is his opinion, I'm going to give you I think three or four

00:50:30--> 00:50:33

first opinions by Trump or musi.

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This is, by the way, one of the first people read a book

00:50:53--> 00:50:56

published now, I forget the name,

00:51:06--> 00:51:07

whoever, whoever.

00:51:10--> 00:51:12

So these are the things that this is DevOps

00:51:14--> 00:51:18

was with respect to the early period of exam, when the people had not

00:51:20--> 00:51:30

something they want to put on, and he there was still learning the Quran, so the province of Finland, and he was afraid, there might be some problems. So he told them, and enough to record.

00:51:31--> 00:51:39

But then when the number of attendees became larger, and people were more familiar with many more people who will memorize the Quran, then According to him,

00:51:42--> 00:51:43

permission to

00:51:46--> 00:51:46


00:51:52--> 00:51:54

and also add to check that

00:52:01--> 00:52:02

they're of the opinion.

00:52:03--> 00:52:07

And by the way, this is not necessarily something that contradicts the first thing.

00:52:13--> 00:52:17

I just said like what he said that these IDs abrogate the city.

00:52:18--> 00:52:24

And he doesn't really give any, he doesn't try to seek any explanation. He just says that the petty abrogates

00:52:26--> 00:52:29

Shalom and the PhD dissertation

00:52:32--> 00:52:33

is the opinion.

00:52:42--> 00:52:43


00:52:45--> 00:52:52

refers to just one thing that is writing the Quran on the same page or on the same sheet with headings. And

00:53:01--> 00:53:02

when one vote for

00:53:06--> 00:53:11

me, allows me that opinion that there was never a general prohibition to record it.

00:53:13--> 00:53:21

This one was never advocated, because it was never a general prohibition. The only thing was and you should not record the Quran, any conversation.

00:53:23--> 00:53:24


00:53:25--> 00:53:26

Now, Is that sufficient

00:53:28--> 00:53:34

evidence to say that permissible record and have we seen enough care?

00:53:37--> 00:53:39

Have you come to this conclusion?

00:53:40--> 00:53:41

There's only one sheet

00:53:43--> 00:53:51

and this is all subject This is why I wrote here the just from the wording of the different headings Hey, NBC more fun.

00:53:57--> 00:53:57

I'm going

00:54:07--> 00:54:08

to have another problem right.

00:54:09--> 00:54:11

Remember after I finished this, what did I do?

00:54:23--> 00:54:25

I mentioned I listed a bunch of people right.

00:54:30--> 00:54:37

Remember that I said after narrating this, as I said, and so on. So song song song. So and I even mentioned subdomain, what would you

00:54:42--> 00:54:44

agree with recording it?

00:54:46--> 00:54:50

So we still have a problem. How can these people have a domain not like recording?

00:54:57--> 00:54:59

Not necessarily. This is Part

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00:55:01--> 00:55:03

a PhD dissertation to discuss these people

00:55:04--> 00:55:06

and to discuss their

00:55:07--> 00:55:08

reasons for

00:55:09--> 00:55:10

disliking the recording.

00:55:11--> 00:55:13

If you study what they said,

00:55:15--> 00:55:19

study what these different solvents have been said. None of them.

00:55:20--> 00:55:23

None of them just like the recording of headaches.

00:55:24--> 00:55:26

Because of a commandment promises.

00:55:28--> 00:55:33

None of these people that I mentioned, ever said don't record hate because the promises and prohibited

00:55:37--> 00:55:38

point what I'm saying right here,

00:55:40--> 00:55:41

consider the promise that

00:55:42--> 00:55:45

they put on record. But they have some other reason.

00:55:47--> 00:55:47

For example,

00:55:49--> 00:55:52

some of them, were afraid that

00:55:53--> 00:55:56

someone would be able to add things in the writing and therefore they must be kept pure.

00:56:00--> 00:56:04

Some of them were, we're talking about the importance of having good memory.

00:56:06--> 00:56:10

One of them for example, he said, I've memorized so many have you been I've never recorded any of them.

00:56:13--> 00:56:17

And other people against as soon as they take this as evidence that you should want to record this. And, in fact,

00:56:18--> 00:56:19

and even those

00:56:20--> 00:56:22

that I mentioned earlier, like I will say that

00:56:28--> 00:56:30

even those people that had their own collections in Britain,

00:56:38--> 00:56:38

in his book,

00:56:41--> 00:56:42

he records about 30 or 40.

00:56:44--> 00:56:45

bands who had their own

00:56:46--> 00:56:50

collections or own any possession of recorded.

00:56:53--> 00:57:00

This is proof again, that from the time of the province system, the heads of the provinces was being recorded.

00:57:01--> 00:57:01

So we're

00:57:04--> 00:57:05

recording where

00:57:07--> 00:57:12

whether they are aware of it or not, the point is that they were not against recording, because it's something

00:57:14--> 00:57:18

they were against it for different reasons. Like for example, if you want to take

00:57:23--> 00:57:23


00:57:26--> 00:57:30

something different Yeah, we cannot say for sure whether they know or not.

00:57:34--> 00:57:35

Well, let's see.

00:57:36--> 00:57:37

Okay, let's take this.

00:57:40--> 00:57:41

The one who narrated this

00:57:43--> 00:57:46

until had his own collection of written

00:57:52--> 00:57:55

reporting. Also, he had his own collection, of

00:57:59--> 00:58:03

course, later generation born says someone came to you in a medic, and asked him for coffee.

00:58:06--> 00:58:15

He said, If I give you one once I like that, you will not appreciate what's in it. And in other words, you will not learn it, you'll just take it as a book like the way we take a note it's really quick.

00:58:16--> 00:58:24

And it was just not the way they used to do used to take time. Now, there's still one more problem though, but recording

00:58:37--> 00:58:45

point that I was trying to get it that they did not like recording for some other reasons, for some

00:58:46--> 00:58:47

reason that has nothing to do with it.

00:58:52--> 00:58:59

They did not like recording it, most of them do not like recording it. Because number one you do not memorize that if you you rely on what you wrote.

00:59:02--> 00:59:05

Number two, someone could come and add things to the Edit if you write it down.

00:59:08--> 00:59:12

because of these reasons, which has nothing to do with whether the process is permissible or not

00:59:13--> 00:59:14

like people

00:59:17--> 00:59:18

talk about

00:59:23--> 00:59:25

what was the reason for this?

00:59:35--> 00:59:36

With reason.

00:59:39--> 00:59:42

My Muslim as much as COVID tries to get to that time

00:59:43--> 00:59:50

to see if they were recorded in a Muslim himself. He knew that this Hadees is authentic yet is not to be a play.

00:59:52--> 00:59:53

Obviously, you recorded

00:59:57--> 00:59:59

but there's still one more problem that we haven't

01:00:02--> 01:00:03

During this time we're

01:00:08--> 01:00:09

going to see

01:00:16--> 01:00:18

what's the big break now?

01:00:20--> 01:00:21

on the tape, we just came from a great

01:00:25--> 01:00:35

question from before, the point that we're trying to make with respect to the southern terrain is that they just liked recording it, but not because

01:00:38--> 01:00:39

everything to do with what.

01:00:40--> 01:00:41

But there's still one more incident.

01:00:44--> 01:00:47

And that's related to our second

01:00:51--> 01:00:52

way with this incident.

01:00:55--> 01:00:56

This state

01:00:59--> 01:01:02

had the idea to record the heads of the provinces.

01:01:05--> 01:01:06

And then

01:01:09--> 01:01:09

he changed his mind

01:01:12--> 01:01:15

originally had the idea idea to record the headings of the problem.

01:01:16--> 01:01:20

And then he changed his mind. After the what is the

01:01:22--> 01:01:34

what is the halifa had the idea towards the people or to get people to record the headaches of the processor? Then he changed his mind. And then he ordered anyone who had recorded to burn.

01:01:37--> 01:01:38

I guess we should put that over here.

01:01:41--> 01:01:41


01:01:43--> 01:01:44

comments on this?

01:01:46--> 01:01:47

The following.

01:01:57--> 01:01:58

By the way, you should start thinking like

01:02:00--> 01:02:01

you should first thinking like, how do you think

01:02:08--> 01:02:08

from now?

01:02:22--> 01:02:23

What's the question we should ask before that?

01:02:26--> 01:02:31

This story is true. It doesn't come down to us through authentic change. No, it's not

01:02:35--> 01:02:37

the narrative from from?

01:02:39--> 01:02:41

That's the first question for you.

01:02:50--> 01:02:51

Good economists.

01:02:54--> 01:02:56

To get an idea, for example of how many heads were

01:02:58--> 01:03:04

recorded by some Sahaba for example, there's the story concerning a Beretta

01:03:07--> 01:03:09

someone by the name of Ahmed Maria

01:03:10--> 01:03:11

must be one of the main

01:03:15--> 01:03:19

areas in the presence of Aveda and he rejected

01:03:23--> 01:03:24

I would have said I heard that from you.

01:03:26--> 01:03:32

So what I said if you heard that from me, you'll find this recorded in my books.

01:03:33--> 01:03:41

So I took him took him to his house and his house was filled with books in the province heading and it filled with books.

01:03:43--> 01:03:46

And the man looked through us and he found what

01:04:02--> 01:04:06

doesn't come any all the changes of this story or the soccer.

01:04:19--> 01:04:20

So, in other words, their proof

01:04:30--> 01:04:32

check a lot of majors PhD dissertation.

01:04:34--> 01:04:35

He goes on to show that

01:04:36--> 01:04:38

besides all the Sahaba will have recorded

01:04:40--> 01:04:44

49 of the of the what are called the matrix domain.

01:04:49--> 01:04:51

The major domain other words these are many.

01:04:53--> 01:04:55

He said at least 49 of them had books

01:04:58--> 01:04:59

of the minor today

01:05:00--> 01:05:01

And he's 37 of them had books.

01:05:04--> 01:05:10

And from the early first early second century, 251 people had recorded or

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recordings of Headey. So what these lists did is 437 scholars

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from the early generations who had recorded it, and all of them have died

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before the time of

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or before the time.

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But we have to,

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if you read, by the way, many of the books by Muslim scholars themselves,

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many of the scholars Muslim scholars themselves, they also were of the opinion that these were not recorded in the early generation

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allows me from his PhD dissertation

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that almost all of the headings that the province has in them were recorded

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during the,

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during the lesson was broken system or shortly there.

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He states

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the 1000 any, this is what he states in his dissertation that they actually have quite a detailed dissertation.

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He said, By the end of the first century of the hilldrup, 100 booklets have headed towards that were in circulation, hundreds of booklets have headed towards that mission. And if you add another hundreds of 100 years, and it seems more likely that the number of added works were

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but still Muslim scholars themselves.

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The many of them came to the conclusion that edits were not recorded in the early years,

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we worked to understand why they had this misinterpretation.

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And it wasn't Muslim scholars themselves, if you go to some books.

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And even though again, people still writing, they still give the impression that the process in them were not recorded,

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at least on a wide scale.

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Many years after the process,

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although several automated PhD dissertation is given abundant evidence to show that most of the edits were recorded, even by the author themselves, you'll still find Muslim writers saying that most of the edits were not recorded during the sermon generation.

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And their mistake comes because they misunderstand, first of all, they misinterpret certain terms.

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And these terms are between

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I misunderstood the meaning of these terms.

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Secondly, they misunderstood

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the meaning of these terms, also.

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Muslim scholars for history even nowadays,

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we're still saying that we're not recorded during the early years of exam. And basically there's a reason they came to that those erroneous conclusion was for the

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for these for these reasons.

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One of the greatest

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even hazard himself

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the fastest person, but he also gives the impression of us were not recorded. Let me let me see if I can do this.

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Gentlemen, let me try to make clear.

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Have you ever lost recording never do you

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have is

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number one they misunderstood what these terms mean?

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They also misunderstood what these terms apply to.

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Number three, they

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had a great memory

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therefore they did not need to record any

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Number four, some of them

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are Muslim scores. And grouping a large number of Muslim scholars who, as I said, you'll read the name of Muslim are not specialists and heavy. But people are, for example, especially people who are writing in dour and not study.

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This aspect of headings in detail, many of them still when you when you read what they write, they're giving the impression that it was not recorded, and barely period.

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Number four, the profit for him is the recording of headings.

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Number five.

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What about the cookie? What about number four?

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We already discussed number four, right?

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What about number five?

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Any misinterpretation of statements from our discourse?

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These are some of our discourse, they said that they didn't like to record it, so forth and so on. So these people that have misunderstood them to think that we're not being recorded at

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all. So we've pretty much discussed that. That wasn't the case. What about number three?

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Is that a great memory, therefore the

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memory dies when you die?

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Before You Die,

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which is another topic? And

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I mean, the problem is this is actually no no.

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When you when you read the history, as we said many people add records. This doesn't mean anything. As I said, you will still go read it.

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Now what about these first two?

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the problem

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with respect to the first one, for example, is that there's some

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that says that

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after the buffet.

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Thank you.

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Anyway, so here's one of the major domains. And

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look at it.

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The What's your reason, many of the books of history is that these two were the first one.

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By the way, they were ordered by also another one.

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So anyway,

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if you read in many of history books, it says that these two were ordered by the river. And the other one even hasn't.

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They were asked by the halifa which, by the way to record all the heavy.

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One of the

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most scholars consider him to be one of the questions.

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He orders these two to collect the other person and

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so it's recorded most of the books that have history that these people were the first to make between

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men said we

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were the first people to make the dream for heavy. So therefore they concluded from this statement from this report, that this was the first time as we're recording

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what's happening that mean

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that would

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Had we listened to me?

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And also submit what precedes me?

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Okay, anyway, what they did in general is that they were the first ones to bring these together from different people. And kind of like put them in a book.

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That was there were the first ones really,

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you can say to make a book of headings.

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But making a book of hate

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is not the same thing as playing, they were not recorded.

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This is a misunderstanding that many of this is Muslim scholars. And so when they read this statement, for example, in poverty, or today, when they conclude that this is the period when, how do you begin to be recorded, but that's not what the subject is. And so what

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we're recording to edit something that existed before that.

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with respect to number two,

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there's one

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system again.

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And again, he tries to prove that

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these are the process of including sample it was not written down until the year 400 or so after the

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event, itself was not actually written down until about 400 years after the process.

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And his proof is that

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if you looked at the chain,

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they always do. Butter now has evidence from them.

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So in conclusion, since they're always saying, butter Now, everyone knows in these terms, meaning,

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for example, means that

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he informed us

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by say, for example, Mohammed told me, I told us that it was

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humbling for me, you will see this a lot later.

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It's similar to what he related to us.

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So this writer concluded that, and he These are only oral

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if you had half an hour or something.

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But as we'll see later, this is not the case. So the words apply, I'm reading to you from my book, a heavy you might say.

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I read it from a book, a few will set but

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I could give some examples from

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And then they want to say the woman was defeated.

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Have you thought about this type of ad? I think he still hasn't been.

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This means that

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claim is not as you're putting it in such a way that they realize they have

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these people claiming that they had they thought they had such a great memory that they would not

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look through.

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For the problem that basically the problem with this argument is not sufficient. Just because they had a great argument in logic.

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aces need to be just because they had a great memory this does not lead to the fact that they did not record

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so this argument by itself is not sufficient.

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this point, five things are subpar. Some of the reasons why you'll find many Muslim scholars.

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Also concluding this in their years headings were not recorded, at least not until the time of

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love correct. before the time of ometer by the way, most of the headed for recorded or personal collection.

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Someone recorded the heavy duty note in order to help remember it

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The collection like we think of nowadays as a disciple.

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Okay, now there's still another problem

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with the and the recording of it

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I don't know, I just read as a book by Mohammed I was out and had it had

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a, he just quoted

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and responded to him in about 20 pages, of course very small and the response

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and there's still one more problem, especially with Seth allowed me to claim

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to claim that in the early years of exam, the first entry there was hundreds of books of heavy collections

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based on

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what's a good question today? I mean, why why is someone is gifted someone doesn't want to believe in Elliott, what's a good question that he could ask?

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Exactly where are those books

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were on

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supposedly hundreds of books, all of them a lot

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of them are lost.

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Especially after I said the importance of assuming that everything is else all these books are lost

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the book

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book collection

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Okay, then we're incorporated

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or simply incorporated larger?

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How'd you quote

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suppose someone has a book?

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Everyone familiar with him?

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He's one of the it's one of the Sylvain

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he has a book

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discuss it in more detail

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was your book

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named mama now when when the students

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narrating the eddies of this book?

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How did they use?

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What did they

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know? Yeah, but a nice

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refer to the authority. The book isn't important.

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Book is not important. For example,

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many of the edits and sample audio from the

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chain goes through remember, there's no mention in the book about the other book that

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was in America because the book is not important

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for the editing the book is not important thing. Important thing is who is your source?

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Important thing is Who was your source so therefore, they had a tendency not to mention names of books.

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And it was the

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worst thing was

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because you don't go to the Sahara and take the paper. No,

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never go to Mmm.

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You cannot go to a bookstore by paper start reading paper

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but that's the way to get affected

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To get those headings you have to go to him.

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So therefore the book is not important. So all of these earlier connections, what's happened is for example, Macbeth

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down to

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for example, this, this collection

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this collection is the

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by the way, I'm picking just by chance the book that still exists today.

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Vote that was not

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it is a collection of heads that hammer heard from overeater

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was recorded

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was in written form with the data, and it was written form

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with a man.

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Now, my mother instead of

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losing this book into other words, he kept it as the as the workplace.

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And he passed it on to I believe,

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I believe I remember

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from Yemen.

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He's written a book called

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and also his book.

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About 16 volumes right now. Some that still exists today.

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Yeah, he incorporated this into his book.

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Yeah, cuz

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you can't get much earlier than that.

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Well, the mom

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died in the year 58.

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So we're talking about a collection of heads that was first recorded before the year 58

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and then died in the year one, one