Channel: Hasib Noor
Countering Tradition, Orientalism, and Double Standards
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome back to an episode of tagalong. I'm your host, Han. And I have here with us, I see no. And while you can sit down today, we're going to be talking about in this episode. Why do we study history? What's the importance of history? A lot of people think history is boring.
And I blame that on the teachers who make history about facts and figures, and not people, and the challenges and the real lives that, you know, the struggles they faced, that are very relatable to us. Right.
I guess the question that comes up now is now both you and I are familiar with one of the Muslims legends from back in the day, Dr. Usha smile. And he Yes, our teacher. And he is a PhD in political economics, Dr. Asha, if you ever see this cycle,
and I'm probably just going to send them this video.
And one of the things I remember that has always stuck out to me that he taught his class Islam and vulnerable history of the modern Western world is that towards the, in the beginning of the class, he talks about how empires rise and fall. Right. But throughout history, if you watch it, you look at it, you will see that Islam stage, right, like something as simple as, like, in the history of North Africa, right. Muslim expansion during the time, starting with
and then following through with automatic minifying. I've been, I've been beyond into the non dental deal. And found Yeah, off manifold. What's interesting to 743, right, there was a what history calls a Berber revolution. Right? Right, because they were number of issues that can come into play. And the whole thing was like, well, we're not paying taxes, because we're not because we're Muslims, right? And so they seceded from the powers, right? They left the Muslim power Empire, but they remain Muslim. And even well, beyond the window, money itself. And even much, much later investors felt that I mean, they accepted Islam. Yeah, they were conquerors. Yeah. And so that's crazy. And so
I think that's one of the things that we need to I think, understand what, because throughout civilized people whenever like they, they've been conquered. They've resisted the life and ideology of the conquerors. Right. And, and in the event that the conquerors were pushed back, they let go of it. Right.
So I guess the question now is, you're forced to give it up. Oh, yeah.
The Inquisition. But even then, even in the forcing of that giving up, there were so many things where that became part of the inherent way of life of the people of southern Spain. That was like, yeah, we know we do these things. We don't know why. Right. And it remains to this day. Yeah. You know, something amazing. I recently had a discussion with other hand Murphy. So yesterday, I was having some breakfast. And when he went to Spain, he saw indigenous Spain or Spanish Spaniard Muslim families. Okay, that they basically said that we've inherited Islam, okay, but none of them were Muslim. That's interesting. Okay, so what they did is and this is like Assassin's Creed for those of
you who are a little bit, check this out. So he said that basically, there was even like, families. Yeah, that their great grandfather at the moment of his death. He's like, I have to share with you something that is who we are. Okay. But I have never been able to share it with you today. until Until today, knowing that I'm going to pass I know we need to carry this unit carry this on because that's who we are. Okay. And he says the Kadima.
Very interesting. And this is something that's been passed down since this Inquisition. So they've been Muslim,
but Muslim only by but because of the forced oppression of RAM not being allowed to practice right in codified into a way of life. Right, that allowed them to preserve some remnants of that, right? And even until today, right? That's very interesting. Very, very amazing. So for those who need to go to Spain, and go to Spain, check that so like, I guess the question now is, I mean, a lot. A lot has happened since the Inquisition. Right? Right. You know, the kingdom, Spanish, Spanish? Well, Texas, the first nation that ruled Texas was Spain, right? Like Spain was the largest empire post fall of Granada because all that wealth and expansion, Britain actually helped
many of the
many of those that were fighting against Spain. Heck, jack Sparrow, like the jack birdie was actually the guy who got who opera. He was British, right became Muslim opera.
So jack Sparrow, parts of the Caribbean, okay, all right, you got to give me
the original jack Sparrow, the actual ride, right? His name was jack birdie, right? He was a British dude who was a pirate, right and
And he actually was known for writing Spanish ships historic. Right, right. But what a lot of people don't realize is that he actually became Muslim. He was known to be a drunk, right? And then when he became Muslim, he left drinking. The locals there. They called him a jackass or a Santa because because it was bird. Yeah, it was last in birdie. Yeah, exactly. And he also was like, he was given the nickname birdie because he had a fascination with birds. That's amazing. So So I mean, knowing this history, what is it doing right now? Like, what does it do for you? Part of it is like, Well, for me, I see a lot of interesting stories. Okay, right, coupled with the fact that
even in the imperfection of these be like I was still a pirate. Right? Right. But here's the thing piracy and actually want to show something.
I actually saw this and actually talks about it. Okay. The time life actually posted something called the Golden Age pirates. And they talk about like, how piracy has been something that generally has existed. And in fact, amongst the original known ways of piracy has been
a lot of Muslims. raiding the ships, right of the Spaniards. Yeah. Because of the posting colonized colonizers. Yeah, exactly. That was there that was there actually revolution against imperialism. Yeah, there's actually a Libyan pirate Queen really was Muslim. Because one of the thoughts I was had in my mind, it'd be cool to tell the stories, like in my mind, the Muslim pirate.
It's not so much about the Muslim pirates, right? But like, it's the stories of these individuals like, Look, they do imperfect things, right, because of the circumstances that they're at. And so like, I'm thinking like, fucking Spain's broken, something I'm working on right now. The next thing I'm thinking about is the story of like, like the real jack Sparrow, jack Sparrow. So though, that's what I'm thinking about. Right? And like, now, you just mentioned this queen. Like, it'd be cool to have, like, I don't know of any many female figures. Like I'm just first time hearing about the queen, Libyan pirate lady, right. I think that would be so cool. Right? And so
like, these stories, and these figures, what did that do for you? Like, what did you get out of it? Like you talked about right before you started? But how do you the people, and knowing the people in history is what made it made them relatable? What did that be making them relatable do for you?
This is what I'm trying to get at what it does. For me, it's like, I'm beside the cool story. Like how did that chain look? knowing things, I think is a source of strength. Good, right? And the reason I say this, and that's just even my own ancestral history, right? Like one of the things that I know about from my father's side, right, is that in India, like my dad's ancestors talking great, great grandfather, right? They were known for raiding British caravans. So you're a pirate.
It's all coming together, guys.
Don't look at it as a pirate because you know,
right, right, you're taking back then, right? Yeah, like, hey, you're invading us. And you're taken away messing up our economics. And so it'll take back what we exactly usurpation is exactly right, we're taking back what was what was ours to begin with, to begin with. And so what ended up happening was that the British, a lot of these British traders, they had their own mercenaries with them. And so they ended up killing their entire family.
Well, from my father's side, like a lot of them, so they, they relocated to the eastern India regions, where that's awesome, where we're at now, right, but it just showcases that at least from my standpoint, like, at least I know, my family's history, right? We don't take crap. Right? Right. It's just like, even at the expense of facing danger, you stand up for what's right, right. That that do you feel that that has fed into who you are by knowing that
it's actually maybe maybe even ingrained something even more that you've already kind of discovered it? Maybe but at the same time, it's just like,
like, my dad knew the story well beforehand to cool. And my dad is also passionately interested in history. And he's someone who has kind of always told stories of the past right? Of before, like, grow me growing up as a kid. Like that, to me was like, Okay, see it are cool, like Islamic Studies, whatever. But like these stories of kings and stories of all this stuff, and even my dad growing up as a kid, he had access to novels and, and the story of all these different his stories, and or the language in the Hindi language. Growing up more so actually, and even my dad read comic books when he was a kid, mostly Phantom, if anybody knows Phantom, old comic books, but for him, it was those
historical characters right now me growing up. I was more of the comic book guy and my source of historical stories was my dad. Right, right. But at the same time, I think the part of the inspiration for me is like, it'd be so cool to bring about like graphic novels, of these real people.
Even now like I love graphic novels, and not comic books, right? Like In fact, I I'm actually impartial and actually against comic books inside I'm sorry. But Batman Superman sucks.
Like, I'm not even. I'm not even about Marvel and DC, right? Like, for me I love image, right? images got some really good. It's like stories of like there's this once like, like detective stories and Batman comes close, right? He's kind of a detective story but a guy who runs around and ridiculous costume right? But I'm probably killing a lot of you watching what impact the going through in like learning you're saying greater The Greatest Story basically, knowing these stories. I'm saying honing in on the historical aspect. What impact did that make in you? I mean, I feel like it's something to aspire to get. These are real people. Good, right. That's what I'm saying. These
are real people
real things that they faced Exactly.
Like, you're talking about a rags to riches story, right? Again, I want to mention focus a lot because of that, but like this guy had his entire family murdered, right, his brother killed in front of him. And I've hunted fugitive of a within a fallen Empire. Right, that new Empire is now basically making sure that Yeah, overcoming insurmountable circles. Yeah. Right. And as you'll see, if you play it out through the people that you've learned through in history, and the personalities and and even, even in the case of insurmountable, like for me, the other thing is I would like I also find the story of judgment use of fascinating to, like, make him the protagonist of a story,
right. Like not the good guy. And interestingly enough, there is a Arab series really is an Arabic about hijab music. Okay, that's interesting. So that mean they they obviously have to romanticize a lot. Okay, but there it does exist. It's actually pretty good. Okay, there's now the Arab seas are we talking like Like, they're all more serious. You know, it's like a recorded Yeah, it's a video. It's okay. So the live action, live action. Okay. Oh, yeah. And then they did recently this past summer, Milan email management. Interesting. So it's really cool because you actually, you get to put a picture and now live the story of how, like, how he saw his office, how he like, okay, it's
not a word, guys.
But yeah, it's also okay. And the beautiful thing about the Omar series, even though I have one, or like three or four main kind of gripes with some of the presentation. I know, I couldn't I couldn't get past the third episode of why so boring. Yeah, that's one thing who's just talk talk talk. I disagree with you. And to some people tell me that I think was the best thing ever. I thought I would never watch it. Because when I, I didn't get past the first 20 seconds. Okay. The reason why is because when I saw what I'm gonna look like, Oh, shut it down. That's like, that's not that's nowhere near what I'm gonna do. Okay. But Guess who? Like my father is like completely against
depiction of it? Right? Right. He's the one who came up and says, you have to watch this. Okay. And he said, You know, he works in the hospital. Yes. with, you know, other people. So, a lot of times when they want to know, like, tell us about Islam, and he finally said, you want to go watch, the more serious he said, These people came back, they were crying. They'll go we've never seen something so amazing in a persona. Okay, I'm gonna hop up. So he said, I watched you know, obviously, all of that then I told him to do yeah, so he said, you go watch it too. And I honestly, because four scholars are the ones who checked the script. Okay. So everything actually you you
listened to on the Emerson has historical accurate accuracy, I'm talking about verbatim. Okay. So the script itself is historical. Okay. With the exception of like, for example, there was a love triangle between washi and Rihanna. Rihanna, that's the whole point. Like there's two slaves and there's no reason to put that right. Okay. But they have to because they Hollywood eyes, whatever. Okay. But or NBC five, NBC five, whatever. MBC is basically one of the major it's like MTV of America of the middle MTV or the HBO, HBO MTV has have like, 20 channels. Oh, really? That was sports one. Okay, gotcha. But any case, yeah. So so that actually, I mean, even now, by the way, I
recommend it to people because it actually, you know, a lot of what you said you get to see the historical aspect. And what it does is, it makes it one thing though, I do appreciate about the armor series, that is the four three or four episodes that I did watch, right, was getting to see the way that the world looked. Right. That also was cool. Like that was like, Oh, I get it. So it's like desert village life. Right. And and seeing the kind of click there's a there's a there's a complexity to it. It's not Yes. You know, there are the goats and sheep in the desert. Right. I understand that. I appreciated that. Exactly. But beyond that, I was just like, now the question is,
is it should I watch more as like, does it pick up as I get more or less boring? Yeah, there's a lot of I mean, it does, but it just depends on you as a person. I think personally, if you were like history, yeah, you're gonna like it. I know some people that they don't want to watch it because they themselves have fun. They find fun.
Filming and reading. Okay, so like, it's not for me, so I don't watch it. Okay, because there is, you know, like, I like other series, but I just, I just found it boring. I think for the majority of people, they will, they will definitely focus on aspects of it. But the aspect that I was trying to hone in on is Yeah, like something that I emphasize in the class is, you know, once you study your history, and you understand what it is that, you know, it's kind of like a not a birthright but a faith, right? Okay, when you're a Muslim, it leaves a lasting impact in you when you know your history. And, and it ingrains, those lasting remnants of our heritage. I think part of it, the quiet
part of the question comes into play is knowing this thing that you're following? Where is it coming from? There you go? What's the source of your kind of your worldview? What? And I think it adds intellectual?
What's the, I'm trying to think of the word for it, but
not justification, not proof, like authenticity, maybe authenticity. But you're not following it blindly. Right? You gotta say, yeah. So like there is. And this is something that a lot of other faith traditions cannot say, right? Like they can't like you can't, there's only so far you can go before it gets rowdy, yeah, have any kind of authenticity to it. Right. And whereas there is like, and this is a conversation I had with a colleague of mine, who happened to be himself was confused, because one parent was Greek Orthodox, and the other parent was Catholic. Right? Right. And so he felt like he went to Catholic school, like college. And after going to Catholic college, he was just
like, I don't know what I should believe anymore, because a lot of this stuff, he's recognizing that the source of it is murky, right? And so I think you have in this generation, we were just talking about this earlier, like, you know, even when I was growing up in high school, a lot of people who have short term, like, livability goals, they only look they only see in the short term. Yeah, I don't have that. I mean, you tell me that john hopkins basketball coach, where he said, People often fail, because they give up what they want most for what they want now, right? And that short term, like short sighted analogy, just aspirations but if you think about it, the decisions that you make
for a short term goal, right, without even considering the long term, objective, right? is, yes, it will get you to where you want to go short term. But then once you get there, you might have even forfeited what you want in the end. Right. And so that's why I think personally, studying history will make you understand not to live for short term aspirations. Yeah, it will, it will allow you to tap into something, which is much deeper and much bigger than your, you know, what you're going to achieve in the short term, but rather than allowing you to aspire to something long term, that's what I think the class will do while you're going to live it through the eyes of two people who have
who are imperfect human beings. In fact, in the case of I'm one of the olana Yeah, he has a major problems. What are some major problems like he was a drunk he had he questioned himself and his own existence, okay, an existential crisis. Okay, he was a person who was this crisis continuing through Islam, partially in the sense that he had to overcome some of his brute force. Okay, some of his like, you know, infringement is impulsive, his impulsiveness. I don't do a lot in the sense of a lot of people say that. I'm one of the one who was harsh, right. I like to say that he was. He had a strong presence. Okay. Right. So just as a reminder of respect, overwhelming, overbearing,
potentially, right. Okay. So in the sense that, like, if he was in the room, you would know it, you not only know it, but you'd be afraid, like, what's gonna go down? Okay. You know, like, that was our model, the longer that it suppiler under the tutelage and guidance and love and care of the prophets lie Selim. Yeah, he overcame throughout the life of not only the prophets, I said, but I will walk in and you will get to see that, okay. And this is why it's so important to kind of the other thing that I always wondered made me wonder is
being who he is, and people being afraid in his presence for even small things, right. And yet, I'm working at Duke was not Yeah, he wasn't. And how does that work? How does that happen? Well, we have two, two strong personalities, but here's the thing, okay, fine, maybe
a strong in a personality sense, right? But he doesn't come off as that when, right. That's the different that's the that's the nuance of who we are as beings, right? So some people, they have very strong personality, but they know how to handle people. They know how to deal with people, okay? They know how to, you know, guide people in situations without nearly being direct. Okay. Then there's other people that like, no, there are no hands, no holds barred. There's no filter. Yeah, the truth is the truth and that's how we're going to get it done. Right. But the interesting thing is
motto the lawn who kind of stepped out of that? Throughout his cadaver? Okay. And it he stopped being this direct like a no holds barred nofilter take what was the I think there was a quote about how
he became softer, yes, throughout,
like in his khilafah. Right. And there was something about how he was harsh with certain people, but soft with others. He Himself said it he said when when he became a halifa. Yeah. He said that I'm hearing that people are spreading rumors that our model will be harsh against us. Okay. Right. And when in his role compared to a walk, and this is when he became clear, when he became clear, this was one of his speeches. Sure. And he said, there, right? I am going to be harsh. Like, it's going to be a like a hardcore. And what he said is I but I'm going to be harsh against those who oppress, okay, the weak, and I'm going to be harsh against myself, and establishing justice. Okay. So that
kind of calms people down. In the sense that he said, harshness is not going to be personal. It's about clarifying his priority as to where he's going to direct that harshness right now, the harshness of the word they use. Yeah. Okay. In a sense of being harsh, okay. to, in general situation, harsh versus strict.
synonymous in many ways, right? You can be strict, but you don't have to be harsh, right. And I think our model, the Alon, who was maybe somewhere in between? I don't, I don't really, you know, I wouldn't subject him to the word strict. Okay. Cuz strict usually has to do with this strict is subjective, right? What a strict mean, right? If you're strictly upholding to the five daily prayers, that's not strict. Okay. That's, that's fundamental. Okay. Right. But if, you know, I don't think I would subject those terms don't. Okay, fair enough. But one thing that I did want to like, you know, make sure to address in the class is how you yourself can kind of live your own
imperfections in the lives of these people. Okay? These are people that are our models. So when you kind of live their life through their eyes, and see how the ideal, which is the prophets of Allah, Holly said, I'm live, okay. And in part of that kind of guidance, which we which we claim to follow is, you yourself will be able to overcome your own imperfections. How do you communicate to someone? All right, so even people like, oh, how come if Muslims or Islam is so great, right, then, you know, the Why is so much this and that, right? A lot of times people are like, well, Islam is perfect, but Muslims are not right, is like, well, if Muslims camp. So how do you make something good, right? If,
like, how can you expect for there to be justice, right, if you don't expect the Muslims to be the perfection of Islam? Right? Well, there's a two part situation number one, and I think this is something we understand in our discussions that we had earlier. And
a lot of times that history in it in and of itself is looked at from an orientalist kind of perspective, okay, and these kind of questions. People are asking us to take a stance when they themselves are ignorant of our own oppression and ignorance and their own kind of history. So when people ask, well, where are the Muslims now? Well, don't you know what the amount of oppression and injustice that's happening? I guess, maybe the first question to ask and this is more a lot more along the lines of the the ways and rules of the art of dialogue. Right, right. If somebody were to ask any of these kind of questions, but the first question is, Do you consider yourself an objective
individual? Right? Right, of course.
There was a right. So then, and maybe there's like, Okay, well, because the question itself is somewhat antagonistic forces antagonists, right? And so the people who would who would want truth, they wouldn't ask the question in that format. Well, let me ask you this, what would be the appropriate question to ask that? Because here's because, because a lot of times, because many times people like and even in my own engagements with people, my first question is like, Wait, hold on, how much do you actually like, how much do you know about Islam? Right? And many times people truthfully, honestly, like, Look, honestly, I don't know anything right here. Yeah. And the answer
your question? Well, so I'm like, and I'm like, great. How are people who are imperfect and especially specifically when they come to, like, you know, countries? Yeah. How are they and they only the representation of Islam, which is which we feel as ideal from God. Okay. A system of an idealistic kind of system that we believe brings peace and justice. Okay. When you have people who are corrupt, yeah, we have people who are unjust. Yeah. When you have people who are transgressors. Does that make sense? I wouldn't hold you know, a faith
accountable or judge it by its followers. Okay. You understand, I'm saying so, if those followers are not implementing that faith, and they're not living to that ideal, okay, and it's it's something very maybe taxing too.
Constantly so it's unfair to hold Christianity to the Crusades. Yeah, that's my point. Okay, discuss that exact topic. Really. If I if I were to like you You were mentioning the same thing as well, like if we were to horde the Inquisition, the Inquisition yeah or not let's just be very honest what the Christians did to the Jews before the Muslims came and what the Jews did to the Christians before the Muslims came in Jerusalem okay they slaughter 70,000 at one word the Jews also prosody is against the Jews the Jews rose against the Christians with and they sided with the Persians. That's what led to the fall of of Jerusalem. So we're going to talk about that in detail and saying that
Listen, if you hold people accountable based on their political movements or this these uprisings or anything anytime violence has been done in the name of their faith, yeah, then no faith would be acceptable. Okay. Right. And the thing is there in even in Islamic history, you will find times Muslims which acted completely on Islamic even amongst against other Muslims against other within Muslims. Yeah, right. You can look too far. hijab and Youssef Yeah. 100 1000s of pilgrims Yeah. And through their bodies and the holiest area in the world Mecca and then the well of Zamzam. Yeah. And you could they said you could taste the blood. Is this acceptable? No. Even during the time which
which was even his seizure laid destruction to the cat? Yeah, the cat up there catapults hit the cab itself and broke and destroy it. Yeah. During even time of disease, which we considered even some called the fifth halifa which I reject. Okay, because the fifth halifa wasn't Hassan Ali Alon. Okay, we're talking about that. Yeah. But the point being is he was so righteous they said he's a fifth righteous Khalifa. Okay. Even in his time, there were three major outright fair to say the column the sixth. No, okay. I would just say he's a righteous halifa. Oh, he's just a righteous but honey for Rashida? No. Okay, honey for Rashi. This
Hadith, because it ends at a particular time. 30 years, he said, 30 the Prophet last time, he said there'll be 30 years of righteous succession khilafah upon the prophetic way, okay. And then there will be corruption and monarchy in German. My point being is even in during his time, there was three revolts, there were people who literally excommunicated the Muslims, they call them not Muslim. Okay. Is that sound familiar? That sounds very familiar. Exactly. era's All right, I'll talk about in particular, even now, yeah, we're seeing these trends and these lunatic people. Yeah. This is something that existed from the time of using the companion. I guess another question that comes
up is, if this, I guess, suppose that cancer, right continues to, you know,
in turn up its head, right. Every so often. Yeah. And it will. The question is, like, how do you cut that cancer out? Come to the cloud.
You have to learn your history. First and foremost, most people don't know their own history to be able to answer those questions. Okay, if Muslims appear to be the great ideal, why then? Well, there's two problems one of them, one of them is actually the questioner in and of itself, speaking from an ignorant perspective, antagonistic, and also their worldviews based on almost like an orientalist belief, okay, where I have to justify my humanity. Yeah. And your humanity is the standard. Yeah. Whereas you can say, Oh, you look like a fair human being. Can you tell me about the historical, you know, whatever, like, Where are these people come from? Okay. Is this really true
Islam? Those are right, nice questions. Okay. But if you were to try to, you know, make me justify or rationalize criminals, yeah. Then what does that say about you? So,
if I were to go around saying, Oh, you suffer a lot, we won't do that at all, but that's why they're not our teachers. Yeah, we won't go around saying Christianity is such and such because of the Crusades. So in fact it such and such because of what they did in Spain, so like for us our response appropriately shouldn't be that of course, right. should not look with the Crusaders. They look with the equals inquisitors. Like, for example, look, okay, now, right now the KKK? Yeah, we don't say the KKK represents Christians, right. any sane Muslim doesn't believe that? Yeah, yes, I'm saying so why is that Asian these people are representative of Islam, right? It's very simple, like, it's a
lack of it's a lack of education history will allow you to confidently understand where you came from, and also to respond to the antagonizing. I believe, inappropriate questioning that we have to justify who we are. Fair enough. So
I guess the question that comes up is,
or rather, the idea One should not be in a position or responding from a position of I hear let me justify myself, right. It's like it's not even about justification. It's, it's about you know, famous quote that's attributed to Mark Twain. History of history doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes.
Alright, so and I thought that was pretty cool. A I thought it was genius, because people it's like,
it's true. History doesn't repeat itself, but there's many continuous comments.
Right trends that keep happening because people don't realize what's going on. Right. And, like one of the questions I had in my mind when I was learning about the, the treaty between after the handing of the keys of Granada. Right, and the treaty, like the the treaty that they had, and how they broke all those treaties, right, and and, you know, the the kill, and you know how they justified the breaking of these treaties? Well, they did certain actions, which the Muslims responded with in protest, right? And they said, well, you're protesting. So you're breaking the treaty, right? And therefore now this treaty is null and void, right? And so look at look at the
juxtaposition. See, this is beautiful because like you have you know, you read very well to spend Andalus history. I want you to juxtapose what you've learned about the era of what what the prophet himself described as the most righteous era of succession. Okay, and juxtapose with everything horrible. The Spaniards, it's, it's literally almost a complete opposite ranking of treaties. Yeah, not upholding justice, not taking care of minorities, the central League, even the Muslims themselves, not even just the Spanish, which is a complete opposite. But like, even the Muslims themselves, a lot of the things that they did was totally against
the prophesied Southern lasagna. Yeah. So so if you look at it, Spain started out with what and this is something you know what cello when, when everybody visits, you will see that in most of those cities that the machine was always the center, okay? And they built around it. So the castles were attached to the masjid. Okay. And later, what happened is towards the fall, the machine became the outskirts and then the rest of the city. It's almost like a physical manifestation of what happened to faith, it got pushed to the ends.
Okay, as opposed to what you saw in the era of the whole affair, the first people to implement these ideals was the leader of the believers, okay. Who would come into Jerusalem in tailored clothing? Not because he believes he should be like that. In fact, when when the companions, we talked about this, when they spoke against our model, and said, How can you dress like this? Yeah, he would say, I can't believe that the material world has entered your hearts. They responded. Yeah, they said that that's not what has happened. Rather, we want to be basically looked at as equals and and be on a level playing field to what the people are already aware of. Okay, so the customer, we want to be
clear acclimate to the same customers. Yeah. And the world hasn't like fallen into our hearts is you still fall man's right? Yeah. And not only that, but we're also following the same strategy, which you taught us all on this exact words, the Hollywood Eden, and Bobby downer Angela and others stated. So what I'm gonna say is like, if that's the case, then it's okay. Interesting. Okay. And we're gonna talk about that class. It's funny, cuz he was just always leave off on right.
Like, leave the world? No, yeah, the companions were not like that. That's we could they could dress, you know, the hot in the most riches of Roman clothing. And it was it.
I think even during the time of
muawiya, not not in Khalifa. But when he was governor, yeah, so I have a sham. And I'm not sure which companion was was a top or
either visited him or he visited one of them. But he had like, the bright line, my clothing, right? And then like, what, like, what is this? Right, right, right. And he's like, Well, I have to engage with them a lot. And for them to take me seriously right to look like Exactly. And and he's like, well, that's only he approves it. Yeah. Like, like you do what you got to do. Exactly. So. But I think and this is interesting, because eventually gastgeber just mentioned, I think, I think he was mentioning this in one of our classes, where at one point people were like, No, you should be only wearing simple clothes. Right?
And his response was this story, right about like, Look, it's not about material, right? Whether it be in simplicity or complexity, right. It's not about you worrying about what you look like. Yeah. In and of itself. Yes, you project yourself as, but rather, what is the heart behind that? Yeah. What are you what what are your values and ideals which lead you? And you're not basically letting any So basically, what you have on as long as it's within? What is permissible, is irrelevant.
to you within the bounds of Islam.
within the bounds of what's allowed, of course, yeah, it's really irrelevant, because at the end of the day, it comes down to how you are presenting, and to whom you are presenting to writing and what you're saying what you Yeah. So just by the content of your character, as Martin Luther King would say, well, ideally,
well, that's what I'm saying. Is that what I would just basically respond to those people say, What did MLK say? And I have a dream scene. Yeah. We want a country that are judged by the content of your character, not the skin. Color your skin. Yeah. And that's the face that you hold. Oh, you know what that would be inappropriate. Like, is that what you're saying? Like if somebody asks the antagonistic question, Oh, good. One liner. Yeah. And then I'm like, Well, what
If it because maybe you believe in two different Americas I live in in America, which we accept that and you don't live in America once you leave.
cool. So it's not the end of the day. Our purpose for studying history, right?
is more so for us to
harness that strength. Right. Right for us to have that.
I'm so distracted by this awesome pirate. Yeah, yeah.
It's just like, look like there's so much there's so much detail on this thing. Right? And just the seminar. Yeah. Right. The the French era of combo. That the the hand protection. I mean, that's one of the things that they that they never explained is like, well, like, Why do swords? Not like, why do they have the hilt because to protect against the
if like if it comes down your writing if it comes down, but this thing, the reason that they had the extra piece, which the seminars ended adopting, was to continue the protection onto the hand, which is because sometimes they will try to hit the hand to disarm the combatant. What's interesting is the US Marines, the official formal uniform, has a seminar. And that seminar, essentially, during the Civil War was a gift from the, the Ottoman Empire at the time. Wow. And so interesting.
So it's interesting American history uses an Arab sword as part of one of his military and the Civil War, you'll see photos of them, not photos, but like drawings of them using this avatar, which essentially was a gift to America. Well,
ultimately, I think the purpose here is to what have a sense of strong sense of identity, strong sense of identity, self esteem, strength of who you are. You will understand that if you understand where you came from, yeah, where where your heritage leads to reconnecting with your individual heritage, right. Your ethnic heritage, your spiritual heritage, your your, your even your I think your even your local heritage. Exactly. This where you are, you might not have been born in a particular location. But I can appreciate Texas, that much more. Right. Because like, you know why they call it six Plex sixth grade adventure, or six. Why's the theme park right is originally a
Texan theme park. Oh, wow. Okay. And I know it's Six Flags because of the six nations that have recovered Texas. Oh, see. So Spain?
Yeah, the Spanish the French. You had the
lexical for sure. Yeah. Mexico, independent republic of Texas, United States. And I forgot what number six.
You already said Frenchmen? Yeah. So well.
I got to look it up.
Okay, Google, Six Flags, Texas nations.
According to Wikipedia, Six Flags Over Texas is the slogan used to describe the six countries that have had sovereignty over some or all of the current territory, a state of Texas, Spain, France, Mexico, the Republic of Texas, the Confederate States of America and the United States of America, Confederate States of America. Yes.
Oh, wow. Yeah, fun fact, United States of America as it is today. The US Constitution did not begin in 1776. You had the Articles of Confederation, which then were revisited and reconstructed as the US Constitution as we know it today. Right, which is the United States of America. So I am wondering, is it appropriate and fair to say that us is still 241 years old? Because 7076 is the Declaration of Independence, but not the actual founding of the United States of America. Right, that's for another time. And another fun fact, I might have mentioned this before, if I haven't mentioned it now. Muslims ruled over Sicily, right? For governance, Sicily, for 241 years. Hmm.
Interesting, which is as long as the alleged length of the social experiment known as the USA.
That's why it's sort of history.
Alright, guys, stay tuned. And hope you guys enjoyed this. Do share this with anyone that you believe would find value. And I'll see you guys start. I don't think so.