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accept from us all and make it only for his sake Harless Logie Karim as we say sincerity is one of the most important if not the most important thing in this Deen hamdulillahi Rabbil aalameen. It gives me a great pleasure today to introduce dear friend who I came to know her through the whatsapp group that we have and the last pantalla inshallah will allow me or be I mean, or allow us to meet she actually is joining us from the other side of the world. Believe it or not, she's joining us from Australia, and own Jamaal Dean as she always like to be named and this is actually the sooner is to be called by your cornea is actually again joining us from Australia where she currently
actually teaches at the Islamic College of Sydney, Masha Allah Baraka Allah, and she's a mother of five, martial watermark Allah May Allah protect them all. And she's currently finishing her last year or last semester actually have BA in flip and also at the Medina International
College. She actually teaches Koran and various Sharia
disciplines at the Islamic College of Australia. And the most other important thing other than being a mother, she's actually a revert to Islam. Allah subhanaw taala guided her her lucky shot Allah guide us continuously and opened her heart not only to Islam, but to love it and to give her time and energy to learn the details and the depth of it. So absolutely gives me a great pleasure to welcome on Jamal de sister Muna
parkins and welcome to our show. And if you allow me before we start, I want to just share with you, all of you wherever you are joining us from, from the world that there is a sad news this morning Subhan Allah and Allah subhanaw taala always remind us that coolamon Allah found everyone on this earth is going to disappear and punish and perish, except who in no way have coverage from because God only chrome and only the face of your Lord, your Lord, the Honorable will stay
on this program. About six weeks ago, we had the first episode of Islam and knowledge for woman or Islamic knowledge for women and scholarship. We had actually a guest from miftah Institute and miftah Institute is a very promising Mashallah Baraka Law Institute based in Michigan and it's actually started by five brothers Marshall a lot of our color coming from a family of physicians, the mother is a physician and the father also and the five brothers Mashallah tomato cola all of them are happening, memorizing the Quran, studied Islamic Studies, and met a lot of Baraka and their efforts and accept from them and it's it gives me a great sadness just to to share with you the news
that the younger brother, May Allah give him jannetty todos Mufti Abdul Rahim passed away this morning at age 23. in a car accident, so I'm sharing this message with you. Number one, let's not forget him in our da May Allah subhanaw taala accept term your biyani as a martyr, may Allah Subhana Allah forgive all his sins may have lost pantalla elevated status. Your ob amin May Allah subhanho wa Taala and the first thing is woman and we feel this May Allah Subhana Allah give his mother a sovereign Jimmy sovereign Jimmy lucky gave it to save nyako Bureau biani and all his brothers and May Allah subhanho wa Taala euro famously Betty And may Allah reward them for their calamity and
replace it with a better one. Jacobian is for Don't forget, forget Mati Abdur Rahim Wahid, may Allah bless his soul in your
own Jamal sister Mona, welcome.
Second level head on for joining us.
It's an absolute honor to be here and I'm very humbled, you know, to be invited here, you know, do your platform and I asked a local Tata to reward you and bless you in all of your dour efforts.
So where do we start your own germani D I'm gonna move from on demand due to system owner or shareholder actually it should be shareholder or shareholder.
And I'm going to be very honest here when I was reading your bio, and I said Subhan, Allah Subhan Allah. So let's start with the most important topic to me and every time I need a revert, and this is not about a person is about the journey because it's an inspiring journey. What makes somebody who's not a Muslim to accept Islam love it, give it their life and energy and to study share it with us as men may Allah pantaloni will you Well that was a Kiki Anima yo.
So well I just want to start off by you know, let's talk first of all about the importance of studying Islamic knowledge. Okay, this is the most important thing we need to start off with like if we look at what the prophets that are low on your Ceylon you told us not authentic hadith you know tolerable in me for either tone adequately Muslim like so, you know seeking knowledge is an obligation upon every Muslim. So, we need to realize first of all that you know, there are some types of knowledge that are considered to be a fraud lying like father lying like as in if we want to reach a Jana safely then there are some types of knowledge that are considered to be an
individual obligation on every single one of us to know about you know as you know, chauffeur Hofer you know, knowing about Allah whole time knowing about his names and C fats you know, knowing his rubia his ullo here like singling him out alone anybody singling him out alone in in worship and you know we need to have at least basic knowledge about his messenger Mohammed's that along when he was selling you know, how we need to love the Messenger of Allah how we need to follow him in all that he commanded us we also need to have the basic knowledge at least of the deen of Allah Islam you know that and the our canon Islam you know our Salah a soul as a care of Hajj you know, how to pray
properly, how to, you know, dualboot and Wilson and how to recite the Quran properly, right? So these are all from the these are all from the types of knowledge that none of us has an excuse not to know about. All right, we all need to have this basic type of knowledge no matter who we are, right? But then the second thing I always say to sisters, is that you're at this time, when our Alma is being constantly exposed to so many different types of deviant lifestyles, right? and ways of thinking. None of us can afford not to be taking continue and active measures in order to protect ourselves and our families. Like in the past, you may have been able to get away with, you know,
relying on the limited knowledge that you received from your parents, or you know, the ascetic school that you went to. But now you know, we're living in a time where you know, remaining ignorant, especially about the foundations of your deen. It's no longer a choice anymore. Right? So we need to realize that the stronger you find that negative pushes against your Amen. And against your morals and principles as a Muslim or Muslim, ah, the more proactive we need to be in pushing back against all of that even harder.
Because unless someone has proper, a proper foundation of Islamic knowledge, how are they going to distinguish between what is Huck? And what is Barton? This is the biggest problem we're facing today. distinguishing between what is the truth What is the falsehood? What is the Hello What is the harm what is amen? What is what is disbelief, right so, and especially if you're a parent, then it's Paramount that we build up our knowledge to a level where we can become our children's number one authority on Islam when they come to ask us Christians you know, because if you're not teaching them and discussing things with your kids from the Islamic perspective, then you know, what you're
basically doing is you're you're leaving them vulnerable for others to come and fill their heads with all kinds of misguidance like it's like throwing your child who doesn't know how to swim properly into the middle of the ocean and expecting not to drown that's what you're doing. So this is this is what I see. You know, now every single one of us revert or not revert, you know, we need to, we need to,
you know, really be trying to to protect ourselves with this knowledge that Allahu taala has given us
here if you allow me the reason I asked about accepting Islam now the reason I'm saying this
Because, again women and men, Muslims in general sometimes because for us, and I'm speaking about myself Alhamdulillah, I have a brand when I was given this from my birth, we really don't know, the value. The what Allah subhanaw taala gave us. And we take it for granted. We don't know the struggles, the other people, this is why I wanted to start with this, maybe in a line or two is what do you tell the sisters who are listening to us being Muslims? With no effort just given to us? Yeah. Look, look, I just want to say to you, what made me start out.
seeking knowledge is basically for me, knowledge was the kind of matter of survival. You know, I was when I first reverted I was living at home with my non Muslim family. I was going to work every day with there's no Muslims in my workplace. I was studying part time at university. So I was not in any environment where Muslims were around supporting me. So what happened was, I found myself in a situation where I was being constantly challenged is my beliefs as a Muslim identity basis, like, constantly having people criticize me throw questions at me, why does Islam allow these? Why does Islam allow that, you know, and so I found that very, very difficult because I had no knowledge at
all. So I was very vulnerable. Right? I was very vulnerable. And if I didn't, you know, actively seek the knowledge I would have drowned, out have literally drowned, you know, and I wouldn't have survived. You know, it's been a lot. It's a lot of hands on. 100 I protected me Of course, right. But, um, but that's what happened. So, because that happened to me, you know, I, it pushed me to, to go and seek out the answers. You know, that's what actually got me on the path. First of all, you know, I knew for survival, I need to seek out the answers. I need to seek out knowledge, you know, people who have more knowledge than myself, I need to read, you know, I need to educate myself. So
this is this is what, you know, started me out on this journey. But that's exactly what what, what, why I read this because a lot of us born Muslim, London, old youth, specially born Muslims in western world, what is missing, to stay strong, to stay connected with Allah subhanho wa Taala. To keep going against the flow, is the education and that's why I brought this up. gemology is what makes me stay strong. believe in Allah, literally, we have people are not even believing Muslims. Why? Because of lack of knowledge. So this will bring me back into why should we study women, specifically, Islamic study, from your point of view, living in a different part of the world, and
studying other different parts of the world?
Yes, so I mean, look, what what made me get started, you know, to seek knowledge on a more serious level, was I felt that if I wanted to stay strong in this Deen, then the only way I'm going to be able to do that is if I basically you know, solidify myself with a proper foundation in knowledge. And you know, as we all know, there's always these constant doubts and confusions that arise in the oma like, there's always different groups that come up and ideas and, and so that's why, you know, I realized the only way I'm going to get peace of mind and not get confused with all these issues, was to focus on gaining as much knowledge as I could.
And that's why actually, from the very beginning, I decided I'm going to learn Arabic language, because I wanted to be able to go direct to the sources, I want to go, I wanted to get to go direct to you know, Dalai Lama, the Arabic, the books of knowledge, so that I didn't need anyone, I didn't need to rely on anyone to interpret that for me. Right. And I knew that like Arabic was like the key you needed to unlock the door to gaining the deep knowledge of Islam. Right. And then after that, I began to realize the role that was there for me in you know, transferring that knowledge I was able to access to my sisters who only knew English. So that's what really inspired me to want to deepen
my knowledge even further. Right? That's, that's what got me on the journey, actually, the real journey of you know, seeking knowledge. But you know, if we're talking about
if we're talking about, you know, for women in particular, right? We need to realize, you know, there's so much blessings that come into your life, for the one who seeks knowledge with occulus you know, the one who seek knowledge with, you know, true, if lost for a lot true sincerity for Allah. There's so many blessings that come into your life now, from the greatest of these blessings that Allah What about Allah tells us about in the Quran, where he says your father in law will lead in and will mean cool when Latina or to the inner dollar jet, right that Allahu taala raises those of you who believe and those of you with knowledge, do
jet in levels. So, one thing we learned from this idea is how to honor through knowledge, when you seek it sincerely for his sake, that he elevates and raises you in status, even in a diner, right? So we need to realize that what I say to sisters, right, is that when a when a woman in particular seeks knowledge, not only to she raised her own status, but you'll see how she also raises in status, her children and the other, you know, family and community members that she interacts with because in general, you know, we can consider women as like, you know, the nurturers and carers of the oma like they're the ones who spend most of the time raising the next generation. So that's what
we need to realize that you know, we as women's panel, we have such a crucial role to play as you know, the influences and the change makers of the oma from within.
And that's why if you if you strengthen the women of this woman with knowledge, you're literally strengthening the core of the whole systemic oma.
Right? So this is why I am particularly passionate about teaching sisters, I know that's exactly your passion as well. I'm sure if I have that, you know, because, you know, you know that when you teach a sister You can see the transformational change that that has on her, not only on her, but even on her children and whole household like you teach her Quran. You teach a sister put on to panelo you'll see her children learn the Quran through her, right? You teach her
to Pinilla you see how her children know they grow up knowing how to pray, you know, according to the way the Messenger of Allah prayed, right? They know how to fast according to the way the Messenger of Allah so along with this and I'm used to fast you teach her up here, you see how she builds in her tobacco, you know her, her reliance upon Allah her if lust for Allah right? her strength of the men in Allah subhanaw taala you teach her at Debbie teacher Tez kiya you see how she starts to mold her character right and it influences the whole household because spend a lot when it when the mother makes a change she changes the whole household like I even know that with with my
with my diet you know when I changed my diet you know my family said to eat healthily after I changed my diet so this is the woman has a huge influence you know inside you know span a lot so
absolutely right i think you touched on couple of points and I want to just reiterate them because number one and this is to all the sisters out there you are invaluable in your home. No one can replace your role mothers I mean this is why I was highly sought to sit on the famous Hadith which probably everyone know or have heard of is mana happiness will be sought by trs Allah who are among people in general has the most right for my companionship with and he said Mother Mother Mother three Why? Because you you basically touched on it the mother is the influencer in the house you look at what she does you're gonna see at least one or two of her children follow her footsteps
every grown up woman now and will agree with me and I had this conversation with non Muslims it's exactly now we say things exactly our mother mothers used to say same statement and we didn't like it before. So the number one is as a woman Don't underestimate this is what I was trying to share with everyone your value as a mother and that's why I said this to share her own jamaludin before we started I love to introduce the share heart the scholars woman's callers number one as mothers because this is in the sight of Allah is number one so don't underestimate your value and influence in the house number two is throt whatever you learn if the children will follow you you will learn
how to pray properly children will follow you start getting engaged more with the children and I'm sure everybody have seen these videos beautiful videos and pictures of young children on the on the top of their father when he's praying with him or with the mother and with her so that's number two number three and and I need to Yanni explain to everyone is not everybody has to be a scholar. But definitely we need female scholars like we need female physicians, doctors, engineers, lawyers, we need female scholars and it is possible now it's becoming much more possible much more possible than before that's to where do we start we're gonna come to it but you you touched on it to start with is
learning the Arabic language specially for those who are planning to have the Islamic knowledge as their career. You You are like some people wants to be doctors, teachers, mother, homemaker, mother, only if
If you are planning to become a scholar, and that's something highly needed, the Arabic language is a must I fully agree with you, because you will not be able to reach the original, the original depth and the knowledge itself without the Arabic. Absolutely So May Allah reward you for for for this now, what I want to get into and this is a very common question by the way for everyone who's listening to us, we will give you about 10 minutes inshallah at the end to for all your questions and we will take your questions. Number two is and this is a lot I know but if you can summarize obstacles, obstacles,
women and by the way, for those of you who don't know, Shere Khan Jamal and myself both who studied in Saudi, he studied Montreal I studied in Jeddah guide
Like I said, I studied in
the Quran and the Islamic Studies I've been studying from scholars in Riyadh.
So she went actually to the same Quran school Subhan Allah that I went to. It's a beautiful small building, but what higher came out of that very simple building. You can't believe it. First and Second floor is the Arabic speaking people. And third floor upstairs is actually the non Arab speaking and Hoshi is the soul May Allah give her geometric for those who also taught me and sisters in gender Institute know her very well because she helped us in establishing our turgidum Quran programs check her Karima May Allah give ability to just if she's listening to us so tell us about the obstacles yom Jamal sure but let's start yeah look my life to give people a realistic image of
what it was like to try to take knowledge as as a female right coming from the west okay so I can honestly say that I have always had the burning desire to see gains right from the very beginning I really was that's my passion Okay, so for me it's never been about being lazy or not being motivated enough Okay. What happened was just after I got married Not long after I got married
the first obstacle I encountered was I have to be honest, the lack of established institutions that accepted females Okay, I would have loved to go and study at Medina
Exactly. And look look I asked everywhere you know define which university will take females The only one No, I should say non citizen females because the Saudis they can go to certain other universities. But anyway, what happened was I only they told me only on the bottom right so look, I went I applied with my husband, you know, um, but I'm telling you as you shake off overseas like you know, it's like, everything was extremely complicated to the level that I basically had no chance to getting okay, but I am humbled and I'm heading for the lap. I was I was extremely determined to get that knowledge no matter what nothing I even remember sitting on the lounge of the grand daughter of
a great island that I was in contact I said to her even if I'm 50 I'm never gonna give up this dream and honestly I've I've truly truly adopted that right if I can stop you here if I can stop you because I want this this point to be clear never give up. Now that's that's extremely important specially in the knowledge of Allah spawn Tada, because you have not only XML obstacles, Yom germani, do you have internal obstacles? It is me. It is me. Now there's my shaitan there is my next my own how our desire This is difficult, why I'm doing this they don't want to me that's fine. Never, ever give up. And I always used to remind myself exactly the same story that this is the
knowledge of law. This is not the knowledge of dunia as as the more you look at it as virtuous and you're reading the book of Allah, you're reading the Word. And even when you study for Khan, you know how difficult it is and also and all this but again, this is the the path that will get me closer to Allah be determined. Never give up. That's exactly the word. Please forgive me for interruptions.
All right, all right. Hello, fakie.
Because of that, because I found that door slammed in my face, I could say
I had to actually take a huge detour in order to gain that in that I wanted, right. So like so I basically decided, alright, if I can't get into my first option, then I'm going to have to work
On all the things I need to do in order to get that knowledge, right so basically I got the grammar books from almost Korra I started working on those grammar books you know teaching myself Arabic Of course my husband's Arabic speaking by the way I should mention
Al Hamdulillah I enrolled in dental school in Judah. I started focusing on learning to read and memorizing Quran. Right. Then what happened was, this is this is cutting a long story short, okay. Then I came back to Australia, I did a BA languages here in Sydney. I majored in Arabic language, okay, that would that would give me the Arabic program. That's what I was hoping. And then, because I had enough Arabic by then I started to study and Mattoon and imea right, which is like, Islamic texts. And I started studying them from specialist scholars, who are scholars from Jenny. Jenny mm in Riyadh, right. The based in Riyadh, such as might have heard of like Sheikh Saud and Flan ships,
Khalid Assad and musli. Right, those scholars, because I knew like what I found out was that students have knowledge. They always study macoun alongside their formal studies, like even if they're studying in Medina University, they always study Mouton with the Alana in Mr. knab we, right so I thought, you know what, let me just take that program. I'll take that program of Mattoon. At least I take that right. So I kept on studying that system. Until eventually some of the you know, Michelle, here they recommended this particular degree I'm currently studying it's very similar to the Medina program. Okay. Very, very similar. We say similar books. That said, Jimmy, Jimmy is in
Medina and Alinea, right, so that's the degree I'm doing.
Alright, but like I said, I had to basically take that, you know, massive detour before I was able to, you know, finally do what I wanted to so that that's the that's the first obstacle, right? Um, the lack of institutions has, I'm sure that a lot of sisters face this. I'm always getting questions from sisters. But that's the reality of the situation, right?
If I can add, if I can add, because we want the sisters not to think that completely slacked. There is lack of institutions for women? Absolutely. In the West. Yes, into the West, in general, actually, in the West, I'm talking about the United States. And I'm sure Australia also the formal, the established stomach institutions, we don't have it, let alone for women simply because we are, as I call Bs, living in the West, if you are going to plan to go overseas, the lack of the woman institutions, I will say because I studied in a woman institution, I took a different detour, because I have a little bit different situation when I had to work as an OB GYN so I can stay in the
country. But Allah made it easy and this is the point I want to try to give to everybody. I want to test you and I can tell you he will test you very hard. Do you really want me and do you really want my knowledge? Or do you are doing it just because whatever. Well he will test you when you are steadfast as the word you said in the beginning, he will open it mean hate to leftism, men hate to be here we'll open it up to you from doors you can never believe in my situation is different than yours, because I had to work in gender. And then a Lawson Institute it's part of omokoroa the year I moved it was the first year they had it
for women only. And guess what? I see the school from my office in the hospital Mashallah I cross the street, but we didn't come right away. I didn't even know about it. So yes, however, if you go other parts of the world, there are but they are again, not as plenty as an options for a woman. So don't give up and say there isn't. But the road is harder for women because of the institution because for other reasons. So here's what you learn with the tour. And Allah gave it to you. That's right. That's right. Exactly. We will come it will come when we get tequila Hagia Gianna who Maharaja
so you will come but you have to be patient. We'll talk about that.
That was the first obstacle I faced, then. Okay, then the other obstacle I don't want to call it obstacle. It's not nice to obstacle but it's just
thank you. That's a better word. Yes. So the other thing is that obviously the more children you have, right, then you know that you know, it becomes an even greater challenge to find time and, and the energy to focus on your knowledge goals. Okay, so
When was with me for example you know when I first started I've got one child that was easy when I have one child but then hamdulillah I had you know, I had twins actually and so then it was three children and you know and look, I'll be honest with you, when I had my children
I made them more of a priority than my own self, like I had to I felt like I wanted to give my children the Quran when they're growing up. Because as you know, if you memorize the Quran, when you're in your youth, it sticks with you not like as an adult, as an adult, it's very hard, it takes a lot of revision, a lot of, you know, years to memorize. Whereas as when you when you get it as a child, it's like Subhanallah it's like, engraved in stone, right? So that's why when my children were young, most of my time I spent you know, teaching them help and helping to memorize the Quran and I wanted them to be strong in both their religious and secular education. Okay, I didn't want I
wanted both for my kids. So I didn't just concentrate only on religious studies but I also Alhamdulillah you know, worked with them to make sure that they would be able to have you know, good you know, shoulder education in the future. So that's that's another thing that you know, if you as a woman we have, we've got to understand that you know, you're going to have these extra challenges that are going to come in your path. And then on top of that, obviously, you know, you've got to try to balance your time between your husband, your household, your teaching your Dawa, you know, so you have to be honest you have it is important to have a supportive husband to be able to do that. All
right, may Allah Skywalker all the husbands who support their their their wives in this path, okay.
They have to realize the value like husbands which realize the value of having you know, their wife You know, it's polite empowered with this knowledge Now, what does it do to your family? What does it do to your children? You know, it's kinda like they realize the value inshallah they will support your journey on you know, they will go support your journey. Okay? Obviously Another one is like traveling like I mean only give me example like I finished level three times we, you know, in girl Buddha, I found out I'm having twins, I actually studied right up until I gave birth with those twins, but I couldn't go anymore. And you know, and I had to leave and I was very sad because I
wanted to do the last final. I wanted to do the final, you know, the final level. And I thought, Subhanallah I'm never going to get a loan. I'm going to get to do that, you know, and then the panel or the internet game, and I ended up studying which was a Kadima online, and I got my jezza through her online, you know what I mean? So, so that's traveling has always been it's always going to be an issue, you know, like, especially if you're married especially you've got children, it's not easy to just move around easily and go, you know, other places and it's normal, you know, okay, if I if I want to interject here. Yeah, share her own jamaludin I'm gonna say one thing from my background,
how many physicians women are there who are successful, they are mothers, they have children, they have their own office, but they manage so why does it and I this is the question for all the woman why when it comes to Islamic Studies, I cannot balance I don't know where to start. So look at your friends and whether physicians lawyers engineer teachers, any job what a job you do, right management and martial law, watercolor, there is woman now everywhere, Muslim, no one works everywhere. Look at it exactly the same with one plus the static education when you are getting it and let alone If Allah subhanaw taala allowed you on wanted to use you to support the knowledge in
our you are getting also more rewards. So those same that is the obstacle because that obstacle is with a woman in a branch she's going to use. However you also put in a very beautiful point when you are a mother. Some of you have heard me saying this many times. You the priorities changed. what pleases are large changes meaning if I am a single woman, and I am memorizing my Quran, I can spend 10 hours in my memorization if I don't work, because that's the priority. But if I am married,
to please our last pantalla reading 10 hours or memorizing 10 hours of the Quran, and not giving my husband do right and my family do like that's not pleasing to Allah. So one of the things that knowledge will give you is how to set up your priorities, not according to what I want and what I like, according to what Allah wants. So when I am changing the diaper of my baby, don't look down on what you are doing that's pleasing to Allah, because that's the right of the child upon you. And when you fulfill the right of a child, Allah what he would do, if I was memorizing Quran and the child is neglected. Allah subhanaw taala will take me accountable for this. So the priorities
So number one obstacles for women in any discipline you will get maybe finding the proper one for Islamic Studies little bit harder. That's true but it's getting easier with that with the internet as you just mentioned number two your priorities if you're in your 20s and you are single use it if you are in your 20s and you have children then this will come number two meaning it will take longer time instead of finishing in two years let you finish in 10 It doesn't matter so anyway I hope this is clear for everyone again my beautiful sisters who are listening to us hunger we have from all over the world feel free to ask and we will put the questions at the end inshallah go ahead I'm
enjoying it more than you
so look I'll just say this that you know all these different challenges they definitely did slow me down in achieving my goals right? But Alhamdulillah I just want to also say that I don't regret one moment the effort that I put into my children and family especially when they were young right and Subhanallah shefa have had them in for the last you know a level Tyler wielded after all these years that my oldest son is currently now studying in Medina University right and he's actually doing the same degree the same degree that I'm doing
actually we're actually he is now
we discuss you know football so we have arguments you know
that proves the points we discussed earlier for those of you in case you missed it is when you study as a mother they influence on your children now
here he is
yet so go ahead yes so that's that's basically it you know that's basically it I mean as far as you know the obstacles are that's basically in a nutshell the life of a woman but you've got to realize you know, women intend to go through different stages you know you have your your young you know your your stage before being married a lot of people waste that time
a lot of sisters with that time before marriage and then they when they get married they realize the panel I've only I took advantage of that time you know
but after getting married even when you've before you have kids you've still got plenty of time right again people waste that time then you have your first call you can still do a fair bit of I have lots of sisters come to my classes they tell me Don't worry I'll keep coming to the lessons no matter what but when by the time the second kid comes it can be very hard bringing two small children you know to classes so I really just is getting there and get it
I'm going to put a question in because it is related to the point we discussed we need this is very common question
actually not this one I've come to this one
please forgive me because the cruise okay here we go
so how does how to start studying
as a basic beginner? Yeah.
Like I I'm going to tell you something I actually obviously started on from absolutely nothing I didn't know Arabic language at all how to read Arabic I wasn't I didn't even listen to Arabic growing up Okay, so I just start from scratch and how I first started memorizing the Quran I actually started memorizing the Quran before I could read it in Arabic. I used to write it in the transliteration and I used to spend a lot with the English underneath and I used to memorize like that until I was able to get into Arabic script but I'll just tell you how we teach like so basically you have to learn the Arabic letters first you need to learn the Arabic letters you need
to learn how to join the Arabic letters and then what will the program I follow I think it might be the same public program you followed its telephony method where you read from the must have itself and you know like I get my students to read from the short sort of the Quran they keep on you know that's after they are already able to you know link words together we go straight into the the short sort of the Quran and we get them to you know get them to read it slowly and they slowly build up fluency when they keep repeating it over and over again you do need there's gonna be a lot of repetition to get fluency in the Koran
I think people need to have
they need to have a realistic expectation that in order to get fluency like when I when I started at the Quran school for example, to get fluency in just one page I have to read it maybe 10 times every single day. You don't mean 10 times each new page until I was able to get it to a certain level of fluency. So there is there is going to be a large amount of effort for you if you haven't grown up with Arabic language but a lot of most Muslims but most of the most born Muslims have got some Arabic from when they're small, they won't have to go through inshallah as much as what someone coming from Arabic background completely and
Sister Rosie I want to add 200 Lego blocks I mean these days also Milan lady Allah who sent my beautiful sisters 10 years ago none of this was existing 10 years ago I'm not saying 20 or less one it is our century but kids really hit is 10 years ago. The for example where do I start from the basic there is so many programs for Quranic Arabic I can talk about our gender Institute taught by woman it's online the teacher is non Arab and this is the main reason we chose her non Arab wanted through the difficulties Take it easy you know what it's your teaches you only a Quranic Arabic that's what you need. Once you can read the Quran and understand it. The other books is a piece of
cake. And you know this year I'm Jamal de because even for us harrowby speaking Do you think when I read I understand everything? I mean, Allah after yours you do but in general, of course not. So you start with Quranic Arabic, right? Find a plain humbler online the sister said she works full time job Alhamdulillah I worked full time and more than full time because I'm an OB GYN I deliver babies a lot make it easy. You said that you beautifully in the beginning and one of the sisters for Tia Maria tequila Allahu Maharaja. And this is an amazing iron sort of Bala. And and the, there's a hadith comments about it is basically if anyone reads this will be more than enough for him or her.
If you have Taqwa of Allah in case of knowledge, what is the taqwa of Allah, I am studying for you, your Allah. I know for sure you will reward me. I am going to do it in the way that pleases you. And I know you will make it easy. That's why you know you're connected with him. When one or the other Yahoo. He opens doors to you without you knowing where it's coming from, and we'll make it easy. Plus, be patient Be patient and Allah will open it
another question, do you mind if I put it on Jamal D minor promotion? Or do you want to continue with yours and then I'll put it later. Well, if you want to talk maybe a bit a bit about advice we wouldn't talk about advice for sisters show Yes, go ahead. So as you've sort of mentioned before, like people ask you about knowledge What should I do so I usually tell sisters there's really two paths you can go down with knowledge right? But the main thing is just to be somewhere on this path. You know think about the Hadith of the Prophet SAW liners and when he said min silica for you on your journey Sophie here and men Subhan Allah Allah will be here body canela Jana right? Who ever
take the path to knowledge right if it takes a path to knowledge a level to Anna makes their path to Jana. easy for them. You know, you'll see how Allah opens your life where you put Baraka in your life and show and everything but even that, right? So just be somewhere on this path. Even if it's just one lesson a week you go to and hungry love, right? So there's two different paths. One is that you just want it for you, your family, okay? So you just find a halaqa once a week or you know, enrolling on class or something like that, you know, study exam online.
But if you want to go the other path, like I said, the only way really, the real way is to you have to learn Arabic, you really need to learn Quran. Okay, so, but talking about, you know, advice in general, like you mentioned before, number one is a floss, you've got to have that, you know, really sincere intention for Allah that, you know, and ask Allah for guidance as well ask Allah for guidance in how to seek that knowledge, right? Another thing that I that helped me was consulting on our map, consulting scholars consulting,
people have knowledge about where to go, you know, where can I study? What what programs should I follow? What books should I study, you need to you need to ask, you can't just try to work it out for yourself, right? Another thing, which is very important, because people always think, Oh, I want to go over there. And I want to go over there to study, right? What you need to understand is to make use of whatever resources are available to you. Okay, so like, for example, myself, I taught, I attended, you know, local classes, local, local halaqaat for years, right. But what happened was that in order to learn from Allah, Matt, who were specialists in their field, I knew I had to go
online, I had to outsource the only way right? And for me, that ended up working out a lot better for me because they had recorded live sessions. And I knew, for example, when I'm in Saudi, when I attended halaqaat, the women will be sitting in another room, right? And also the Arabic is very fast for me. Okay, so by me attending, you know, recorded live lessons. I was able to try
transcribe the words word by word I could, I could actually translate it all, you know, into, you know, and have the whole lesson, you know, get the whole lesson rather than just getting some of the listen right. So that's one thing so it make use of whatever is available to you. And now with internet, I love it. I thought you really have honestly, you could say the world is your oyster right now, like, you know, you really can seek knowledge. But if you want the knowledge, I'll advise you, if you get Arabic, I'm telling you, like I said, it is truly the beef that it is the it is the key to to, to in, in general. Yeah, you don't even have to, if you've got Arabic, you can even learn
knowledge without even paying a cent
means but but you have to be prepared. You're absolutely right. Absolutely right. To roads. Yeah, the woman needs to think. And by the way, regardless of your age, don't worry about the age, the age,
there was a loss.
So the most important thing is what you need to do is do I want to learn for me and my family. I want to take this as my path, meaning I want to specialize in this. Because the The road is different. The beginning is the same, but then it will end and this is the first thing I was asked when I went to study in Jeddah The first time I met so many shijo male and female, they said what do you want you want to do you want to specialize in it? And I said I don't want to be specialized because 100 I already studied. But I want to learn to
give what Allah give me in a simple way to the sisters I the one that, to me is a big one. That's why I try to stay away from but this is actually what they asked me what I studied. You want to take the data path or this specialized path? Start with exactly and some of you were asking where do we start? I'm sure there's You can also maybe share some Institute's but I can tell you about our institute gentlemen Institute offer you how are we Quranic Arabic taught by woman none out of take it very easy recorded classes, if you cannot attend on online live, it is recorded available all the time, just to start. And then exactly get a regular as one of my only teacher who is a man, he used
to say all the time to me, you need regular diet of knowledge regular and he used the word diet because he meant beneficial knowledge you need to be every week minimum, it depends again on your life. But I will say minimum three to four hours a week that you are in a class and don't listen to the class in a casual way, like you are, you know, like you're in the kitchen and preparing things you need to sit down, recorded, go back to it. And you need to write notes and row go back to your notes, the aliens, specially the enemy of Allah, you have to read and you have to memorize and you have to write and you have to review.
Again, don't worry about the time whatever it will take it will it will take there's a question
that's probably you can answer it better than I am your own God
because it's about children. So
any advice on how to keep kids engaged and how to teach them as well as keep them interested in the content.
The main thing is you've got to make it fun. With kids you've got to make it fun like um, one of the things I did learn May Allah reward the the the system used to teach the children in dough Buddha.
When she used to teach them the Quran, she didn't just have them sitting down crossing their legs and arms, you know, like, she'd have them for example, putting their you know, hands on each other's shoulders and saying, well go have a lady that said, you know, um, so she would get the moving and like when I taught my kids got on, for example, I had them they'd sit on the floor playing with toys, and I just be reciting the Quran the boosting to it and the kids are taking it in. Okay, so you've got to take into consideration that the child they like to play, you can't make them just sit there with it. I don't know how they in some countries make them sit there with their arms folded
and my kids would never have done that. When I used teach my friends, I'll tell you why twins were the biggest challenge. But I'll be honest, what I did is when they go to bed at night, turn off the lights because twins, you can't get them to settle down, right. So turn off the bed at night, turn off the lights at night, and they'd be in their beds and then I'd say this surah about 10 times the biggest thing to it. And super analog after about three days or something you ask them that they already said memorizing it. So that's that's sort of the tricks I had to kind of use to get my kids and then when you're teaching them the meanings of the as you're gonna make it exciting. You've got
to really animate the arm. You got to do some actions and
Like Janna, you know, like that. And you got to kind of animate the AR to make them engaged.
Exactly. The children or depends on their age. So number one exactly, you have to make it exactly animated. A little bit older and I teach a class for the youth, which is 10 to 15 Islamic models, which is something really we need to re emphasize and re implant in the youth. And I have the boys separate and the goals separate this class Apollo, the first class was completely full within less than two weeks. Now if you want to just read for them, Allah and Colorado, Swati salatu salam, you will lose them within five minutes.
Honestly, honestly, I said this to the boys, especially the boys, I was like, yo, everybody's gonna start looking at their phones. So you have to get engaged. I'll give you an example happened last week. I normally give them not a homework. It's a reflection what we study is tell me how you practice it in the week so two of them I asked them and they said we missed it. We didn't attend last week. So I said okay, how many of you play soccer and haha who doesn't play soccer? And I said when does the referee ask the player actually basically leave the field. They said when there is too little card there is a one red card to yellow cards usually a red card or there is a red card and I
said when does the yellow card comes in? If they do something not what it should be. So I said this is this class that is two yellow cards. Two times you don't attend them you're not in this class anymore. You unless you behave in this class with the everyone else then you you're not there. I can't tell you the response. The point I'm trying to make is you have to give examples. A lot taught us in the Quran. barraba Allahumma, Salah how many times young Jamaat now there is always parables. So for the older you have to know their mentality you have to know what is important for them the Xbox and the games you better learn all that
you're speaking with them in a different language, but also before you teach any child young or youth make this job y'all a lot and I always say this even when I teach woman but in general You're making me speak what pleases you
can Allah put Baraka in what you are saying and I will add this The result is not in your hand not in my hand the result in the hands of a loss pantalla he will ask me what did you do he will not ask me what's happened at the end so just put the effort again the examples younger animate make it fun I screen make Islamic studies found damage or harm and you're going to go to Japan why so
use bribery use bribery, there's nothing wrong
you do you could argue and it was a really good work if that like your work then you get rewarded right? That starts off with a young like you work then you get what you want so you do some good on not not too much but you know do some good and then you get to go on PlayStation you know you get to do your iPad whatever and so they they learn the principle and that's what we're you know when you think of it it's that's what we do as Muslims we work hard in this dunya you know inshallah be in the lead to get the reward in the era so kids do eventually transfer that over you know, they they when they're small, they need something tangible you can't just tell them that inshallah gonna go
john none. If I don't really
that's not something that really
comes and to me Does omokoroa University offer to non Saudi girls for STEM education without our home to my knowledge system? I left and I came back at 2017 The answer is no, I don't know if you know anything. We knew your
geology. Okay, so I don't know cuz Saudis change a lot with their maharam rules. So I'm not sure but all I can tell you is I have only rarely rarely and I'm talking extremely rarely come across anyone who's non Saudi, female to study a normal quota and even males I'll tell you something in as far as Australia has concerned,
we have not known anyone in the last 30 years actually to be accepted from Australia male or female, into omokoroa even though the name list comes out, but we don't the people don't go even my son was one of them. I'm talking from experience. My son actually was on that list, but nothing ever came out of it. No one from here ever went to almost got out. So it might be different than us. You might have people
who say yeah, I have a personal friend who she went with her
was when China and because she was with her husband both they lived in Makkah they should they actually studied in America but I'll tell you what, and
correct me if I'm wrong It doesn't matter the name doesn't matter it's quite true actually in fact and if you ask me and you said that to the real knowledge you get it is when you are with the teachers is not in the institute's itself is when you are with the teachers around them with them and the beauty of Saudi engender we talked about this last night Your angelology is there's a lot of women scholars, they are impeccable I never thought I will meet people like this till I went to study so don't worry about the names Don't worry about the names what you wear what you worry about that Allah subhanaw taala opens it up to you and you're not only your law Teach me Let him choose
for you. Let you choose for you where you want to Don't let this is what the obstacles shavon put over them except you're not going don't worry about that. The books of Allah are the same the knowledge is the same what he wants from you and he lost again your sincere you really want to learn that we have four more minutes do you want to say anything? Yeah, only July? Look, I'll just say yeah, I'll just quickly say one thing. Exactly what you just said. Something I learned from pseudo CAS from Duke or name right? Soon as Vasa Baba. Right? Every time Allah opens a path for him, he took it in other words, don't look down on whatever path Allah opens for you. You know like I'll be
honest when I first got told you know come and study at the Quran school I'm going to be I'm ashamed to say it but I looked down on that I thought what's getting in doubt Huda compared to omokoroa I said that to myself, but the panel that I did not realize what Allah was giving me, right? Because if I had if I said to myself now if I had to be enrolled in omokoroa from the beginning, maybe I would never have gone on to you know, memorize Quran or teach my kids the Quran. Right? And this reminds me of something that he met in a marshmallow he says that like Allahu Allah abdon Bab and kick Neti, right that Allah does not close a door for his servant from his hikma from his wisdom in
fact to her level the bane of your automatically okay except that he opens two doors from his Rama you know it's kind of this is how I feel you know even though I was very upset not to go to them but now I look what Allah gave me it's even show the honorable and me better than if I had just done you know a study that will put on Long Island so don't look down on what Allah gives you whatever Allah opens for you make that sincere to be determined and keep going in that direction and show up I'll open up for you but in the last one before because we have to respect the time all of our viewers
and I'm gonna re stress summarize, the first thing you want is you have to want it I always I don't know when did I start that this
always comes to my mind. Men are either Hera masala saya what what
kind of say warmish, Cora whomsoever one is a must have this is what to the surah whosoever once and Allah He said a accurate meaning anything that will lead to
absolutely stomach knowledge we said this muscle recovery so you remember when you have to wanted She didn't say how? He said you want wasana hassayampa you put the effort he will open the doors don't say how can I get into the teachers of Saudi when I went to Saudi I never even thought there is a woman who can teach. Right and I went to South Africa and I met these
absolutely ladies who went to Egypt they will tell you the same they're everywhere. And I'm sure in Malaysia these days I'm sure to the point you want it you have to sell and Allah use the word soft hard work, hard work is not gonna come and you are listening to a lecture and you are all the time on your phone. It doesn't come this way, hours and hours and continuous challenges one on one and I love that part where you are believed that what is delivered in this context, you know, Allah will never let you down. You know what we give it back to you whether in blue or whether an alpha whether in both. You could kind of say you homeschool those who fulfill these three criterias their efforts
will be rewarded. Allah said how will Allah reward you me? I cannot even think of it. Make this Nia make this intention. Look around you ask Allah to give it to you in your tahajjud Don't worry which part two which is cool. He will give you the best one for you, your own grandmother. The last word is for you
for a coffee kiosk level
Allah to bless your institute and all the efforts you're doing, you know? Scheffer, hey doctor what you know doctor I have that you know she's trying to bring that into the homes and the hearts of of you know women around the world may Allah bless her efforts and raise her in levels your blood I mean and I ask Allah Allah to let us meet with each other in person. And
all of us who attended today ask Allah tala to unites all in general for those who Allah your enemy, noon
everyone we have people from all over the world. The last one is from Kuala lumper May Allah subhanaw taala gathers us as he gathered us here in the industry for dose Allah sudima takabuti and in sha Allah of July June This is the last not the last time I can tell you for sure.
Again inshallah, with our beautiful sisters in Australia.
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