Sectarianism Part 2

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I would have to believe

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when this is not held up as being the party

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leader, you know, it's the fact

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that we could give a consideration over IDs in general, this was not really the position held by

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foreign individuals in our time.

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Taking this position, this is unique. This is something that extreme attitude towards an island media is something very recent,

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about particular individuals who

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are alive large degree, I have no credentials of scholarship in Islam in the sense that they have, you know, studied the Koran, and the heavy, you know, in the original languages, studied the various disciplines that are connected with them. But individuals who, you know, how critical is this from here they are, and have created a particular power for themselves, and who use this banner of this, Mr. Medina, has been moved up to shame

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Infowars or their followers from the main group of Muslims who attempt to follow the Quran and Sunnah, according to the understanding of the early college.

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Okay, first of all, great, but I guess the

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let me just say that,

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you know, I don't want to get into

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a one on one argument, okay.

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Because what happens is that

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those people have a particular issue or a particular point, the rays on this, it would be better, if they want to spend time on it, you know, we can squat, we can find separate time, you can squat and go into in depth, you know, more and more in detail, because, you know, you have one one point to bring on top of that. But, of course, when you do it, you're going to open Pandora's box, and then I will be obliged to do

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and then of course, you have another little point, and then you know, so to avoid that, unless you express the view that the whole, giving you my understanding from my side also, if you want to go into more depth inshallah, we can set aside time where we can, you know, you're allowed to sit and you know, discuss, you know,

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okay, let's get a question from the system first, and then we'll go back a

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couple of questions to someone related to each other.

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How do we regard those who say we cannot trust?

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Because a, they are the words of men, and be the Hadees has been tampered by Jews or pale Arabs? And why can't we follow through if you're even following

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involved involve

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dealing with

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of the answer?

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And, actually, this is a whole topic in itself.

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I have written also a book called The

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cult in America, where the basic ideas and concepts held by the alpha, you know, have been presented from their own books from my head, but from their own book, and the Islamic position in relationship to them.

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So for those who want to go into an in depth understanding of these issues, it would be better to go back to that book to an end would like to also discuss that we can set aside another occasion to go into that in more depth. However, just briefly,

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to look at it in terms of whether it was amongst the madhhab

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we would have to say that, in fact, the answer code is not amongst the most

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likely the highest note group known as the twelvers. They have deviated considerably in the very foundations of Islam from its from the very concept of the law,

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to the concept of will to the loss of life, you know, through all the various aspects of the South Bend disease, so they don't represent a valid path that we may follow.

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And then choose from the other.

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In fact,

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the issue that is mentioned about having been the word of men, you know, we can say that the Koran was handed down to us

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by the same people who handed down the hat.

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So, once you get into that

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story about hobbies, being the words of men, then in fact, you may be, you will be attacking the

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the authenticity, effort, which was made by early Muslims to maintain the integrity of the facade

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than that, which was made in certain periods of time in relationship to the sinner. However,

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over time,

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great efforts were made

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in authentic authentic tradition, which were activities from the oldest,

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classified authentic now,

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have been conveyed to us.

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Through that change, which we consider to be authentic, which has conveyed to us

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the way we want to talk

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to Heidi thing is is the sequence of men

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speech of men,

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that one enters into a time on the planet, and this is why we find

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that regard

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the first who promoted the idea of non

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mathematical numerical miracles,

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we took the same approach

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and ended up attacking the claiming that they were false versus in the

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end arguments, which he used for the 19 and you know, the attack on the thing that

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can be found in the literature of the so called mob.

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So, do not be surprised,

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we find that awful thing

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any of the format has made it a point of property to say that

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when they find

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in the writings of the students of the various schools of thought,

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this express the idea that a lot is everywhere.

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if we go back to the earliest scholars,

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to the so called founders of these schools of thought and so, they did not,

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I would not say that they believe that allies everywhere is the madhab or is a particular man have amongst the four recognized present the Messiah, no, it was a philosophical been

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promoted initially by the mortality rate

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and carried on by the what is known as the as the guide on

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calling the anti cooler thought became widespread amongst the Muslim ummah.

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This concept was are handed down in the writing of the scholars of the various schools

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of legal thought that we find today. So you will find basically from all of the various schools, you'll find college today, when they're writing concerning a law and its attributes, etc, that really find many of them writing, you know, that a lot everywhere. And that's why the question was raised was

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brought up

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because of the fact that the early understanding

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as taught by

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undefined was that the law is not in fact everywhere

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that a law is about the creation.

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Though no doubt, he's

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able to do all things which are consistent with his being a law.

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This does not include him being a part piping parcel or within every portion of your

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conduct themselves. However, this has become it has become in our time the minority position

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because of the influence of this

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spread amongst the Muslim over a period of time

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point about corrective

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punishment of

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coming up with

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becoming a better job?

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Or is it sufficient to say that we trust in your thoughts but don't believe

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because as part of arcades, it's correct to believe in the punishment of the grave, the coming of lmft coming up as the descent of races?

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Or is it sufficient to say, we trust in the above, but don't believe,

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don't believe in

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sounds like a contradiction in terms of trust in the above, but don't believe in them?

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Because of the fact that he is coming to Islam in the background on Islam is limited. And he said, Well, you know,

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I don't believe this Prophet Isa is coming back again, no, this doesn't take him automatically.

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I mean, based on the fact that he doesn't have a background, I mean, here then, you should then be brought to the front of the collections of authentic traditions.

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Because to me, from the general

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there is nothing that clearly and obviously, because a particular point, the clarity is

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similarly the nature of the body

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in issues, you know, which can only be found in

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a person without our ignorance, limited knowledge with the exception etc, make statements

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should not look at them a

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of the problems and efforts of those who came before

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understanding and practicing the pilot, as it was understood and practiced by early generation of Muslim writers

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being flexible

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and tolerant

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of others,

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who are far following that path

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or even of others, who

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have become rigidly bound to another path,

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we have to have some tolerance, tolerance in the sense that understanding what has happened,

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recognizing the error,

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what occurred to its treatment in a loop, which would help to solve the problem,

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which would increase the problem,

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because it does no good to tell an individual who is blindly following a map that your face is

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your ultimate love.

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You may realize there may be factors which are meant for others not because of what they do, but to tell them that

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there is

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a rare person.

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So this cannot be the approach. No were advised to call to the web along with a really bad video because

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it doesn't happen at all to the Lord

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will come up with wisdom, understanding of people, their sensitivity,

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their psychology

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and we should use good words, which would you know, bring them closer to us

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create low

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confirm good theory, then we may be able to convey the correct way to them.

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With that, I will stop and

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give you all a chance to

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raise any questions you would like particular to the topic.

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Those of you who had written questions, it can be sent to the front

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of questions, to be some arrangements for somebody to collect your questions.

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And we can also take direct questions whether you would like to raise their hands

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So I'll give first, somebody asking directly

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go through the questions and put those together, so they don't have?

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Well, I would say better that whenever you have people saying things,

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you have to weigh what they're saying, according to privacy. If you find the person who is talking, talking, talking more in writing, writing, writing, writing, and you don't see references, to propose ideas,

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you know, right away the danger.

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He's giving you his idea.

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It's his mind and you know, the brain is, you know, is created in such a way, and everybody can have an opinion.

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So, this is one of the signs telltale signs of a devious, one was talking, talking, talking, no hiding,

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talking, talking, talking this way, that way of interpretation.

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So, once you have somebody who's actually they're comfortable all the time, they know that the person who should not be spending your time with,

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you go to find somebody who everytime is talking

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about the finger.

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it is,

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this is one of the ways that you can now filter out those who are giving you false information from those who are giving you correct information, that amount for, you know, relying constantly getting you

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to choose one who seems to be the best qualified.

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You know, from the

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product of his studies, he spent a period of time studying and thoughtful, in one way or another benefit, certainly haven't gone overseas, but you know, having gathered a body of knowledge through his studies,

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and that individual, you can rely on to get the foundations of your faith, right, but you don't

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if there are other there will be others of similar backgrounds, you all put it under them wherever their purpose of learning the goal.

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You make your note, listen, and you always wait for it,

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to thrive and wrong according to

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and Shall I will find that those people who are who are on the correct path, give me the correct information, you'll find that their ideas will seem to match their feelings. Whereas those that are the other, the other path, you will see that you know, it's always

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something that you hear about is smoking noticed when I left and right, it will become clearer and clearer to me.

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But this is the process of seeking knowledge.

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You have to make some effort some striving to get the correct information. And part of that you can do to your personal reading from the Quran, by reading the Quran every day

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posing yourself to the message as it was revealed or at least as far as you can get to it from the translation of the meaning.

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This will create a new also a friend of mine Quranic frame of mind.

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And we will also regularly from the

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Muslim men to collections which are universally recognized amongst scholars as being more authentic collections. We will compare it will give you an overview.

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So you don't just go and look through this list but you also do reading yourself

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available it will become very clear to you quite rapidly, who are really giving you solid information, who you can depend on.

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But ultimately, you know, you have to depend on your stuff. You should not think that you know you will approach the seeking of knowledge like a child with

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somebody with a full just point you

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open your mouth and you will have to make you have to try to deal

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with the correct

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For more history to a certain degree and in my book on evolutionary

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these factors have been identified.

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fact is what we find, which determines where, and why a particular school of thought bred in a particular area. Oftentimes, it was because of certain political factors

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a ruler of a human area chose a particular mother or he happened to be trained initially as a child combat mother, and this became the school of thought.

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you followed the seven schools of thought may have died out of the past, because that refused to become a

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an appendage of the

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focus or the leadership

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which, like, in the past is a period of time when leadership deviated

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there was Islam, I mean, Islam disappeared, but the leadership was not following Islam.

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It was prescribed by the fella and demonstrated by

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it has taken another path, you know, which was more of a materialist, secular type of path. And, of course, that type of leadership wants the scholars within the throne to submit to their particular way. So they may attempt to bind the scholars by bringing them under the, you know, into official bodies will give rulings based on their own position positions of the ruler.

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And you'll find scholars

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those reviews were oftentimes jail sometimes kill, punish somebody to go into hiding. So the

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students decrease the writing disappeared whenever, you know, this

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became a lot because of the body of knowledge which the schools had with his body is contained within this.

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However, that particular school as a tradition of students who started out as a scholar, you know, died out.

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There are a variety of different factors tried and tested for you to report to the IRS would take quite a long time. But the certain that to a large degree, the reasons for the spread of any given school apart from any given area was more political than it was in fact,

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on the merits of the school,

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being superior to other schools

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based on

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relationships required.

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In terms of stellar, I mentioned this already

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in terms of usage,

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and how such parents originated like it was Jamar.

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arose when there was a trend of deviation.

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When people

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make claims and practices, which deviated from mainstream Islam, it was then necessary for the scholars of that time to

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separate themselves

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from the overthrow

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So, the term is similar meaning those who are

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and then even from that term because everybody does

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also became commonly used to distinguish between those who have fallen final, but not according to the interpretations and practice of the early generation of wisdom, but according to their own individual interpretation of their own period of time. So, these terms are all for that purpose. So, we should not take them as labeled you know, that we carry around with us as a badge you know, I am a selfie when I introduce myself I am you know, brother belongs to the seller, you know, this may happen in the past, you know, when the mother is a recent speaker, you know, each color of the time would be called, you know, for food

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for thought of shopping each one has a label after their name to identify their method. So, this is definitely not the way

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we are

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trying to follow Islam to the best of our ability in the course of discussion, you know, it may come up with you know, we tried to follow it according to with Filipino as an explanation or not as a badge that we carry with us and we beat others over the head with you know, United Philippines, whether you are off the bat, you

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know, this kind of approach is of course harmful. It does not convey

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the correct understanding which, you know, we need to have

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correct approach to the climate.

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But, in fact, it creates further division.

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Yeah, we have to give some written questions.

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We often meet a group of people who recognize the Ashley as Muslims, and the Jafari school is legitimate, then they go on to say we should unite with establish the police

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said What should we say to those people who make these claims?

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Well, why don't we talk about

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schools and Islamic law.

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we're talking about

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schools are the different modalities, which hold as a foundational

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Above all else,

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we're not talking about those who have put these aside and put their allegiances to other human beings who they feel

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are recipients of Revelation. And who were in fact,

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and as such worthy of following

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beside all else.

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the so called ignacia

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Joffrey School of Law

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is not considered a part of mainstream Islam it is represents a deviation from mainstream Islam.

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And as such, we do not included amongst a valid path that one may as a Muslim may follow, while being open minded to take from any other

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available from those of

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because as I said, these this particular path,

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and this is not a statement on what is normally called ci, ci as a whole, because you have amongst them for example, the baby pool, which is common in Yemen, and this school, as far as positions and Islamic law etc, are concerned, it is within the main body of advocacy.

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But in particular groups and as the brother mentioned here, in the question, the ethnicity or the Smiley's, you know, or we have a variety of other cardiac knees in a variety of other groups which also claim that there are parts of Islam. When we look at the foundations of their faith.

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We find in it a number of principles, which were against the foundations of the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad.

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And just for me, it is just a few

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give an idea of what I'm speaking about in relationships

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translated in English

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we find in it. And this is in their own books which are studied in

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a concept of a law,

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which is different from what mainstream Islam

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Because when we say we believe in a law,

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we believe in the one God.

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This is not just a statement, it has

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an understanding, that understanding must be in accordance with the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad,

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as understood by

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the early generations.

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So, just as you have quickened to say, we believe in one God.

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But what they mean by that one God is that God has three aspects, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

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Wonder. And if we go to the Hindus, we find the Hindu, Hindu, who knows his religion. Only the average Hindu with a narrative about

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Hinduism is not looked at as being a religious wonder, but yet have an idea of one Supreme

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Being as become manifest amongst many different forms,

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human God form.

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So the idea is not just the question of oneness, but how do you perceive that one,

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when you go into the teachings of

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the province,

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we find in their

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concepts about a law, which is different than

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that, of mainstream

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that human beings

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were infallible,

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incapable of committing any error.

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Now, we reject the Pope, of the Catholic because when he becomes the Pope, he becomes infallible according,

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if we're going to reject that, how then can we accept some other

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to be infallible not only when he became in this particular office, but as the

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from the time they were born, to the time they died

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inwardly, and outwardly,

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they made no error, intensively error detection,

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this is

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this is

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totally free from error.

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For they have no given one of the attributes of a lot to learn,

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they also hold at the moment, where

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they knew the past, the present, and the future,

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the writings of books which are in circulation amongst them, but talk about some details about them, you know, they're easier, who wrote certain things that they said

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you know, this is

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powered by, by the National

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and you go on from there, you will find a series of examples where the qualities of a law have been invested in these individuals who they refer to as the 12.

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And this is their justification for following these individuals.

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Because Surely, if they have not

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So, we cannot look at Vietnam, Korea, the Japanese must have

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a valid month for Muslims to follow

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and choose

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from the others freely

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while following this particular metric, because this foundation

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is in contradiction to the very Islamic concept. A lot

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Individual All

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yes, but not taking into account

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apart from that your advertising is a mess up

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I would say that the principle

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of following ideas

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was one which existed from the time of the Sahaba

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that I am not reading, in fact,

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a unique manga, one held by a body of Muslim scholars

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who carry that tradition whereas you had another body who did not follow that tradition, no.

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You know, you are given opportunity to say what

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we found,

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from the time of the Prophet Muhammad, Allah,

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certain of the companions were given the job of conveying food enough to others who came in unit into flour in different areas.

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We looked at this and there were third from Mecca to Medina.

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And he taught the people

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he did not teach them about

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the AMA, Allah Mecca,

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who represented the body of Muslims of that particular time in a particular area who are practicing the suiting up on the problems, I fell into the degree of their understanding of that they received it didn't go to present that to them. No, he presented to them I

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you should do this because

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that's how he thought

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this tradition, after the time of the different problems are carried on during the times of this.

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We know of number of different incidents, incidences where issues arose.

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And the caliber of the time without

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does anybody have any information concerning?

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What was the practice of the people of Medina

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who has anything from the law, that anyone has any feeling or observed any practice that

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somebody would arise? If there was, I would say what I thought

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do this, or I

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heard him say that

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and they would ask somebody else to verify.

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And somebody else may get up and say, Yes, I also saw that

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this was a tradition, which went on, from the time of the Lula pass

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and down through the early scholars of Islam as they pass on,

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when they talk with is known as a tambourine or

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when they talk.

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They did not teach Islam based on the AMA in Medina, what the people of Medina

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plot based on what the Quran says, was taught

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and what he did, this was their approach.

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It is not to say

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that they didn't also look at what is the concentration of the companions Do you know what is the companion to

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those who are in Medina

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during the Iraq, those who wherever they went

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in terms of their interpretation, how did they put these statements of farmers into practice, they look into the companions.

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And this was the tradition with traditions which were handed down

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on to archive, which we consider to be in general, the way the general manager of the early scholars of Islam.

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anything maritima

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mR Malik

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being from Medina

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and not having ever left, but in a

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particular way,

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is ruling after for an infinite that is the heartbeat and thoughtful after the two foundations, he also gave

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credence or relevance to what was the common practice amongst the people of Medina.

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However, this was not a sixth position in that, whenever he had he had these

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and he had the practice of the people of Medina, he would take the practice of people of Medina and leave that

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you will find my little scholars will learn

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the rules of Mr Malik on a variety of different positions, you will find times where he chose a

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which went against the practice of the people of Medina

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sometimes when he chose the after the people of Medina, which was also conveyed, and related in hobbies overseas.

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This was a position which said Mr. Malik, it used to live now, demand late

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even thought was amongst the scholars of the time to challenge this position of the madman who rejected it. And the other leading scholars of Mr. Malik prime rejected that position of Mr. Malik as a valid

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approach to determining how the film that should be applied a number i'm not saying all but a number.

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So, when we approach Islam,

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according to the Quran,

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and the Sunnah being

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that which is contained in the authentic traditions of

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this particular approach

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the motto

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of the vast majority of early Muslim scholars till today and I will say that, yes, it was a matter of that majority. And there was a there was a point to go a

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madhouse held by

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one segment of the main body of Muslims, concerning the deeds of people of Medina. However,

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I just want to emphasize this point, that even that position was not an absolute position, as some people today would have believed

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were when

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this is not an oil that was being repackaged.