Jinn Possession. Is it Real?

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Interesting dicussion on whether or not Jinn possession is real. Arguments for and against are explored in some interesting detail with quotes from Imam Ahmad, Ibn Taymiyya and al-Qurtubi.

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translation of the ayah that we read verse 102, in sort of Baccarat they follow what the Sheltie recited in the reign of Solomon, Solomon did not become careful, but the shadow plane did teaching people sorcery, and what had been sent down to Harold and Maru. The two angels in Babylon, who taught no one without first saying to him, we are mainly a trial and temptation, so do not become careful. People learned from them how to separate a man and his wife, but they cannot harm anyone by it, except with a loss permission. They have learned what will harm them and what will not benefit them. They know that any who deal in it will have no shame in the next world, what an evil thing

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they have sold themselves for it, what an evil thing they have sold themselves for, if only they knew.

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brothers sisters, today's service is going to be about black magic, and about gin position. Next week's dose will be about Rukia How To Cure problems of this nature and also means of protecting yourself as well as the subject of iodine in sha Allah. Now the subject of black magic and Gene position, I want to start off by just putting out the main idea that I have I want to share with you. And that is that people go to extremes in the subject of gene possession and black magic. One extreme is a denial. There is no such thing as gene possession, there is no such thing as black magic. And on the other extreme, there is paranoia. Believe that genes yield so much power over

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human beings that those people, they almost submit themselves to the jinn. They have such a crazy fate of jinn. That is almost as though they are worshipping them alongside the last panel. These are the two extremes. Now the first extreme, we said it is those who deny there's no such thing.

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They claim that all of these cases are people who are seemingly possessed or male in cases of mental illness. Here, someone is someone who has a problem, some psychotic problem of that nature. And that is the end of it, there is no such thing as gin possession. Now, even though some people who present cases of gin position or in fact presenting a mental disorder, that is not the same as saying there is no such thing as gene position, yeah. Now, the reason I call this position extreme is because this was not the position of the early Muslims. Okay. In fact, it was a position that came and started to be spread by some very notable scholars much later on. For example, in the 20th century,

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we had

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Chevallier in toto shahadi tatau. He was the Mufti of Syria at one point. I think he was a Mufti of Syria for 40 years or something like this. Yeah. He also has a very amazing book interview series. Well, he came in 1987,

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while a live broadcast, which was broadcasting in Saudi Arabia as well, and he said, regarding the case of a woman who was supposedly possessed in Riyadh,

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and they had tape recordings of her speaking, but it's not her speaking, it's a man's voice answering questions to who was then the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia. She has been bothering me a lot. And he spoke about that and he said, My opinion is that there is no such thing as Jim position.

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And what this we have recording is in fact, the recording the woman was playing

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when she was being spoken to. Okay. And I don't believe that there is such thing as gene position.

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Now, that triggered some controversy,

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primarily because the person who was being recorded was the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia. Okay. So Jacob Baraka mala, he wrote refutation about the view of Ali Baba Rahim Allah, very interesting reputation. In fact,

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one of the interesting things about the reputation is he said that look, this is towards the end of the referee, he said, How is even possible for it to be a tape recording that she was playing when I was asking specific questions and I was receiving specific answers. For example, I asked what is your religion, the story basically goes like this.

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The woman was possessed. She was being treated by Rocky, he was reciting on her and during the sessions, the Jin would take over her body and and speak on her tongue. And it transpired that he was being affected by the Rukia

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as well as the conversations that he was having with the rocky one of the things we will learn about next week is about Rokia. And part of treating someone spiritually of jinn possession of black magic, is speaking to the jinn and admonishing the jinn, advising the jinn just like you would advise a human being who is basically misbehaving.

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So it got to the point where the Jin said that I would like to embrace Islam and leave this woman. However, I would like to embrace Islam at the hand of the Grand Mufti. Okay, at which point there was a meeting between chef in bars, this woman and the jinn and other people, and that's when they made the tape recording during that conversation. doujins Volkswagen bars and he mentioned a few things. And then she began to ask him questions often was what is your religion at the moment? And what is your origin? He said, I'm a Buddhist, and I am of Indian origin.

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And so on and so forth. Okay, so you answered many questions. And then after he embraced Islam, and he left the woman and they said the lady came back after a month with a family, and they said nothing, no problems so far. hamdulillah. Yeah. So he said that, look, the questions I was asking is impossible for someone to have guessed them or tape recorded them and play the tape. And it is part of the reputation that he had. So this is like a new view. In fact, it is not really a new view, but is being promoted more in our times.

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After that, they said, I've yet to confirm that about him now shoot, share her pa heard the famous Tunisian scholar who died I think in 1970s 1930 something I think something like this to

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another amazing scholar of Islam. By the way, his book of the seat is one of my personal favorites. He apparently is also the view that there's no such thing as gin possession. It's made up, it's fake. There are other explanations to it.

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More recently, in our times, you may be aware that Shaykh Akram nadwi, half Adama, another scholar of great caliber, he's also of the view that there is no such thing as imposition. Is anyone aware of that?

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You didn't know that. So it is becoming more

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more of a trend if you like. Yeah, this position? Why do I call it extreme full? Well, very interesting enough if you research this issue about men anchor and Miss roar, who deny that a man can be possessed by the jinn. You find in the works that have been Tamia Rahim Allah that He said in much more fatawa that the Muslims have always been in agreement that a jinn can possess the body of a human being the only ones we ever denied this world.

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Does anyone know

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who the first two said?

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Is it?

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Yes, absent the Tesla, the Tesla deviant sects in Islam, they denied it and he mentioned a few names such as abubaker of Razi from the disease. However, he said that the rest of the Muslims are in agreement that this is the case they can be possessed human beings can be possessed. And he mentioned the statement of your management Okay, so this is going all the way back to the first you know, three generations now. Yeah, or near the first three generations. Mr. Matheson Abdullah asked him all father, some people are claiming that genes they cannot possess human beings. What do you say?

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He said yamane Oh my dear child, the one who said this it is the gym speaking on his tongue himself.

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And he's very happy where he is right now. The gym is very happy where he is right now. Yeah, that's pretty amazing the way he responds this isn't me quoting him I'm

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also

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I'll go to these Pamela and by the way others who quoted Mr. Our notice even

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recently, even even a bad chef in another ama in that reputation also, quote, each man is willing to believe that the gene can possess a human being. And there was another is well, I forgot the name now anyway, to be in history, all sorts of Baccarat thing verse 258. Will Edina yeah cool una Reba la Pomona Illa Kamiya como la de

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minimis you know this verse, Allah says the ones who devour interest, Melis panda protect us from the sin they will not stand except like a person who stands who has been made mad by the touch of the devil

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except the one who's been made mad by the touch of the devil. Now, what is the interpretation of this?

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One interpretation is that this is about Europium. Another interpretation is about this is actually in this world, people who devalues read, this is the way Allah sees them, like people who are become mad, and some explained it means mad for money. They're mad for money, but this is not the point the point is good to be said a lot to be said.

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And in this ayah

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there is an indication or one evidence rather than those who deny gene possession they view is first this facet, it is corrupt, it is a corrupt view to believe that a jinn cannot possess a human being it this I approve that that is a it is a corrupt view. Okay, this is the words of Allah put to me, Rahim Allah. So yeah, I mean, you see, when there is a difference of opinion amongst Muslim scholars, you know, there is an acceptance. There are two views. They don't get these group of scholars in are insulting these not insulting but insulting the view of these group of scholars, that doesn't happen in is amongst Muslims. When you do find some scholars are saying, Oh, this view

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is deviant. This view is corrupt these views messed up, then you got to stand back and say, You know what, maybe I shouldn't say these two views in this issue.

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Because when you say these two views, what you're saying is that,

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you know, it's up to you, you can choose this view. Look up the local Malia Dean basic.

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However, if you in light of what I just said, it is more appropriate to say this view is extreme. Yeah, and a loss apparently knows best. Now, what is the other extreme? What did I say? Who remembers?

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paranoia? Yeah, paranoia. So basically, this is a this is a sister and her husband, okay. A few years ago, they went back to Pakistan, the living in America, they made a documentary, okay? amateur documentary about the interaction with black magic, and magicians and so on and so forth. Basically all started over they went to Pakistan, and many of their relatives said they'd been affected by black magic.

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And they tried to help them the best they could. And what happened is that they didn't know what to do, basically, because they said, Look, the source of all these problems is this graveyard so they went into this graveyard. And these pictures is well you can go on if you search Muslim matters of black magic. The documentary has been put onto that website Muslim matters. And search black magic. They found in the graveyard that all the trees, they had things hanging off there. Some like rip

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A piece of cloth, some rope, some strings, whatever with knots in them and you know, bulges and stuff like that. And they were hanging off the trees. And when they took them inside, they said these, these are all many spills caused by magicians. So this couple, they went back to America, they learn how to deal with these things. And I think the husband was knew about these things, they went back again. And this time, they went to the graveyard and they said, we're gonna try to dismantle all of these pieces of magic.

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And, you know, in the, in the appropriate way, though, is supposed to because you're not supposed to just destroy these type of things. You're supposed to dismantle them and recite things and then destroy them. So they said, The main problem we had and listen to this, the main problem we had taken down these spills

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was what was the caretakers of the graveyards, the caretaker, the grave, I said, don't touch these things. If you do all hell break loose, basically. And when they insisted that they are going to the caretakers would stand next to them, and plead with their hands join together, don't do this, please don't do this, you don't know what's gonna happen, you don't know what's gonna happen. And they've got them recorded. And whilst they are, they said, as when we used to take these things apart, we used to find some very disgusting things like,

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you know, blood being used to write down the Koran, and they said, this was a menstrual blood on the pillar, and many filthy things. Basically, there'll be wrapped up in plastic in order to keep those spills dry, and all of these things. So they said Also, during the documentary, you can watch it that as they used to, you know, recite and undo the knots and whatnot.

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They would hear the crowing of birds or whatever, and they will also hear the brain of the donkeys as well. Coincidentally, supposedly, a lot of them at the same time as they were doing these things. So the reason I'm sharing this story with you is because you have a lot of people that are absolutely paranoid about jinn. Absolutely, they fear the jinn to this point, yeah, that they almost feel as though they are powerless against them. And that leads to a very, that gives rise to basically distorted beliefs engine, and it gives rise to black magic, because when people think Gen are so powerful, what do they end up doing? They end up trying to benefit from the cording out to

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them, okay, interacting with them. And that is how we get Blackmagic which is something we'll come to later on now. This is just an introduction.

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All of this controversy, who is right? Yeah, who is right and how do we know extreme? What is the correct understanding of black magic engine position? In order for us to gain an understanding about anything in life? We have to go back to the sources of Islam. Okay. And the main source for us is the Quran and the Sunnah of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, and even then somebody could say, Okay, yeah, but the Quran, you go to the Quran, you get a verse of the Quran, but that's just your understanding. You know, that's just you understanding somebody else's understanding is something different. It is true. However, what we aim to share is not what we think Allah means by

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what he said, but rather we have researched the most authentic books of the year. In fact, the world present to you today

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is the interpretation of imagery of poverty. rahamallah imagery of poverty, who passed away 310 he is hailed to be the greatest manifester of all time. His book of the seed his book at the seed isn't a marshmallow said it is the most authentic book of the seed out there are Saha because it has no bit he said because it doesn't have an innovation. Also, it's got a mama no IANA Cod, they held this book of the seed and they said this is the best book of the sea there is and it was indispensable meaning people that came after him always had to rely on his work in order to write their own works of Tafseer. So what I will share with you in this interpretation of verse number 102 SoTL Bukhara

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which is about black magic and magic in general is the interpretation of injury. razavi Rahim Allah okay. So with that inshallah, let us start by looking at this verse inshallah. Reverse begins. What did our omitted Lucia Dino Allah murky, Salima? And they followed what the devils used to chant during the reign of Suleiman al Islam solimar les Salaam is a prophet from Benny Surat, he, he is in between masala and Elissa al Islam. Okay, so he's one of the prophets that comes in between after masala Sarah, who are the followers of Islam, what are they called?

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dues? Yes, yeah, the followers of Judaism. Now, that's important because what you just said, essentially is that this verse is about

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The Muslims of that time. They were the Muslims of that time, right?

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Which, which therefore should make you think, if this is about the most some of the Muslims of that time, and we are the Muslims of this time, perhaps Allah is telling us because we need to know that some of us may end up falling into some of these things. Yeah, this is the first point. Now, because this the the verse is quite lengthy. I'll give you the background story. What is the story that immaterial poverty mentioned? He said, first of all, this refers to some of the Jewish rabbis and the scholars, they started to get involved in what we call black magic. Okay. And he said, what happened is that this took place either just after the demise of Suleiman lism, or during his life.

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And what happened is that you know, that soon Mr. Islam, he had control over the gym kind. Yeah, he had control of the gym kind. He had an amazing Empire, an empire that stretched from east to west. So he was an amazing person, he had amazing powers, and one of them was having power over the jinn. Now, during his time, it is said that some of the share theme the evil gene, remember last time, we said gene of two times, they are the good, the Muslims, were in the middle of sila. hoonah. I mean, they're doing allelic like they say that sort of the gene Some of us are righteous, some of us are less than righteous. I always wondered why they say less than righteous wanted to say bad.

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And they are the evil ones. Okay, now some of the evil did during the time of Solomon, listen.

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What they used to do is that they would eavesdrop on the conversations of the people of Paradise, meaning the angels and the knowledge that was being spoken about, they would mix with it many evil words and statements and concoct spells, which they could use to harm human beings. Okay. Now, what happened is that so they map one version of stories. That's when Mr. Lee's farm he caught wind of what these gene were doing. And because he had control over them, he told he gathered together this bills in the form of a book, and he buried it under his throne. Yeah, he buried it under his throne so that no one could have access to it ever again. The other version is that

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it was in fact.

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Now these are the he

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is the other version is that the devil's who are engaged in this type of sorcery. What they did is they wrote down the spells themselves, and they themselves buried it under his throne in order to be part of a plot. What was the plot? We're going to get the human beings to dig this up later on, and tell them that this is the work of who? Suleiman Lissa so they end up following our traditional black magic. Okay? Now, whatever the case, after the demise of Solomon alyssum, the Sheltie according to one generation, came to some people and said, Would you like to gain power, the likes of which you can control the wind and the Djinn? Just like such a mad listener, and some of them

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dollar signs started to come in the eyes?

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And they say, yes, they said, under the throne.

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Now, when they dug it up, they told them that this is the work of Solomon or Islam, malaria to be law, when the law they ascribe this concoction of evil to Prophet Sulaiman alayhis salam.

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And so it all began from there for those people from the Jewish community. They began to practice sorcery and they began to get Lou Lou a shout out to him, they began to follow what the devils chanted, meaning they began to do what the devil is used to do, or that men do chanting those those are it means engage in the practices that the devil used to engage in. Okay. So this is this is basically the the background story about this, this verse. So, the conclusion of that story is what is that in and amongst all of this? Who's named got muddied? Who's named got, you know,

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dragged through the mud and blackened, whose name Suleiman lezana that is one of the verse begins whatever method to share to my that's Lou ashati. Shout out to Allah Mookie Solomon Salima cafaro Sulayman wacky Michelle Tina, careful. And that is why the verse says, Solomon did not disbelieve, but it was the devils who disbelieved.

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So the verse begins by pronouncing the innocence of soleimani. Listen, he had nothing to do with this whatsoever.

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Another interesting part of the verse is that it begins by saying, and they followed. Now when you follow something, the implication is that you left something else. Yeah. And the verse before this, Allah tells us that these Jewish people, they through the book of Allah behind the back, yeah, whoo hoo wah. Allah says that through the book of Allah behind their back, and instead what they do, what several methods are sheltering.

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And that's very interesting listen to what I'm saying is that they didn't just end up engaging in black magic and evil things out of the blue. It was a consequence of what by being distant from the book of Allah. From that when people go far away from the book of Allah, one of the things they end up doing evil things like this. So whatever they followed McAfee rasulillah but Solomon did not disbelieve Now the thing is, the question arises

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Why does a lot cool black magic disbelief

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Why is it go for why is it not just Islam? Is the main sin right? Allah says it is not just Islam. It is Kufa. Why do you think it is?

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Because you're

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you're calling upon someone other than Allah. So okay, the magicians and the devil worshippers they're calling upon the shouting like the altar call upon Allah. Okay, very good. This is Kufa but then Allah says that while Akina Shay Athena, careful. The Devil's disbelieved.

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So what was the Cooper of the devil's

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no worshipping?

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Okay, no, wish me a lot. Yes, in a general way, anything specific?

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harming you, but volume, oppression is not disbelief.

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Yes of the

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book?

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What do they do with the book in your book with their spouse? And they

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go on? To give you the answer. You know, the book. Yeah, that's

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what they said. That sounds very good. They made that false claim against a prophet of God, knowing that he's a prophet of Allah. They said he's, this is what we love. And more than that, saying that he is someone who taught magic that which was the claim of the Jews as well. This is outright Kufa, you know, anything else there's something else as well? Do you want to give another answer?

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Yes, to some of the practices being involved in like actually doing

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so what did the jinn do? What was part of their practice that would be like gopher worshipping

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practices?

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What do we mentioned? Do you remember what we said? How did they end up making those spells and

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the wording with the Arabic isn't it?

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Yes, this this little fun Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Martial

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martial arts, how old is he?

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Eight years old. Mashallah. Even the cameras? Impressive. A lot.

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Very, what's your name?

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bossy, bossy.

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bossy? Mashallah, may Allah bless you. Well, unless you? Yes, part of the cover is eavesdropping in the conversations of the mother and

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the angels and so on and so forth. And then mixing with those conversations things which are evil. Yeah, and despicable. This is part of the goofer as well, very good.

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Now the thing is, what's the How do the two come together? How does the magician and an evil jinn come together in the first place? I mean, they live in two different worlds, right? So this is another interesting part of the puzzle. Fair enough. You got evil people and you got a virgin? How do they come together to do dangerous things? Well, this goes back to a beliefs.

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He believes he said to be the father of all evil jinn. Allah says in the Quran, that he Runa who was reata? Who earlier I mean, dooney mahoma kumada. Allah says Luca, are you going to take him and his children as friends besides me whilst they are enemies to you? Yeah. So what was the problem he believes and Adam is that he believes

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always jealous of Adam, he believes was arrogant and he hated on other men etc. and his children basically have the same psychology towards the children of Adam and Islam. Yeah, basically, the devils they don't like human beings, okay. And now even though and the scholars add details, they they say look, the jinn they are fast and strong,

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but they are compared to human beings ignorant, whereas human beings have knowledge, while an akula Allah says, We told them the names of all things. So human beings have a superiority, and that is of intellect, knowledge. Moreover, they were honored by Allah, because Allah told the creation of the jinn, yes, the angels and he believes to bow down to human beings. So there is this psychology with a jinns they don't mind human beings, and therefore they would like to harm them. Now, when a human being approaches and calls out to them, ask them for help, then you have the beginnings of a relationship, where the jinn will help the human being so long as he he humiliates himself. And he

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disbelieves in a lot.

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So you find stories about magicians, that they will live in filth, they will have to do the most obscene things, like, of the things they have to do is to write the Quran backwards, what are the Parana menstrual blood or to pray the Salah that will do or to urinate in certain places that people praying and so on and so forth? The most obscene things? Why, in order to try and gain favor of the jinn, why does the gene like this because the genes are evil, they want to see human beings, you know, lower themselves and disbelieve in Allah.

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And so this is how the two come together. As for the magician, he does this in order to get the power of the jinn, in order for the jinn to help him in doing the things he wants to. And the reason he wants that Javelin is in order to make money in order to gain power and all the rest of it. So this is how the to work hand in hand in this evil and discover.

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So Allah says omaka Sulayman joaquina shell Tina cafaro, you and the moon and NASA said

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that who was in that tool, the people the magic, it was these devils Now pay attention here. This is not talking about the beginnings of black magic.

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Rather, this is talking about the beginnings of black magic, in many songs in here. As in when Benny Israel started to engage in black magic, and institutionalize it

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because who was the Who? Which prophet is known to have been around people who used to engage in black magic before this.

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Most RSR. So obviously magic was then was already present at the time of mortality. Even some scholars say and I'm yet to find the verse in the Quran where the people call no la Sonam a session, a magician. Yeah. So this is not the beginnings of black magic. This is just about this historical moment, which is still living until today. Even until today, if you look at the Jewish tradition, and they and the scriptures, they some of them believe is when a man when he was a sorcerer. That's what they believe. And they believe in the ring of Solomon, the ring of Solomon or the Seal of Solomon, and they say that the Seal of Solomon

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is

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is basically connected the Star of David, okay. And they refer to him as basically an evil sorcerer. This is some some things in jujitsu. So even until today, there is this belief and even as part of some of the spells which, quote unquote, Muslim magicians do in it. If you find if you open them up, you'll see that there is a name of Solomonic Islam inside. Why? Because they are still on that false belief that salon has something to do with black magic. So the insight or they call a call upon his name when doing the black magic of what you what Allah says, You are the Buddha say you said it was the devil's nothing to do with Solomon lesser. Then Allah says,

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Allah kdv babila how Otama wrote two ways of translating this part. Listen to this. The first way is that and what was not sent down to the two angels in the land of Babel, which is Babylon. Yeah. Known as iraq place of Iraq and surrounding areas. What was not sent down to the angels. Yeah, what does that mean? It means am I saying

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it wasn't the man who told people nor was it angels who taught people it was who the devils. This is the first interpretation

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The MA in wama, Angela appleberry said is translated as Lum. They did not get sent down to these two ages.

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And then the interpretation they said it goes back to him now because they, they said, How about tomorrow, tomorrow tomorrow? They say these are the first two human beings that the devil is taught the magic to haruta models, and the first two human beings, which the devil is taught the magic to. So what does this mean? It means that lie saying that all the culprits of this are the children, not angels, or Solomon lesser. Now, what do you think of this view? Give you

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make sense? Are you happy with this view?

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Would you take this view?

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It goes on to say that there was nothing.

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Okay, so the brother said,

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sounds good. But the problem is, Allah then says,

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Well, now you are the man even after the Hata Pula in a manner

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that when they did teach them, they said, what do they say?

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Don't learn it.

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We asked this, we are nothing but a temptation for you. If it's not for you, don't disbelieve in God.

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That doesn't make sense because he said, The sheltering tool so the shell team taught the shell to say to them, no, don't do it.

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Don't believe in Allah, who it is a temptation. We were trying to be very good. I sent these why mama Papa, he said, Now there's a second view. The second view goes back to patata mean Kibera tap any one of the greatest of the successes of Derby, he said, What ma owns in RM and a cane means

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the man is translated as what and what was sent down to the two angels in Babylon? whose names were her roots and models.

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Now, what problem is that created now?

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angels alive saying

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as a separate incident, they actually also taught magic. And that came down to them, meaning who did it come down from?

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From Allah to the ages. And then when they said to people, you know,

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we're not going to teach you what we don't want to teach. You don't disbelieve in Allah, we're just a temptation.

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If you refuse that will teach you

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now what problems that create?

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If you said it was ages?

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Well, you think do you think is fine? Was it is the question

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is fine. Angels top black magic.

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And for the people that

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that time the people so much

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for them, okay, that

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told them that don't follow

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the test. If you do, okay, so the brothers saying like, there's no problem with it, because the angels they told them that look, this is not right. Don't do it. This is just a trial a test for you.

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Okay, yes. I think it also keeps a lot of people might sort of start justifying the fact that they can actually do.

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Okay, very good. So somebody might say, look, at the other day black magic comes from angels.

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I'm no angel, but you know,

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it just got me wrong. Yeah. So the amount of irrational law he says that this is this view, the first view is incorrect. He actually says incorrect.

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Reason being is because if you said that, no, not and nothing was sent down to the two angels. First, the first problem arises that Why does a lot then choose to name the two angels? Yeah.

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This is the first question when and this is the backstory. When the Jews said that. Yeah, they also the angels told black magic and the angels who told it would you breathe and Mika?

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This is the claim of the some of the Jews. He said, What Allah said, How do tomorrow's when they said gibreel myka.

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So it doesn't make sense. Secondly, and this is what the the point of the brother made, is that Allah then says that when they taught them they would say,

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Don't disbelieve in Allah, we just did test for you. And he said, the shell thing, the one thing they will love is for you to disbelieve in Allah. That's the whole reason they're doing it is for you to make offer of Allah subhanaw taala. So why then would they say this?

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So then he comes to a conclusion. He says, What if someone said how can the angels teach people black magic? Okay, how can Allah send down black magic through angels? This is

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The important question to answer and basically his answer has two parts. The first part of the answer is to say that every good and every evil comes from none other than Allah. All good and evil come from Allah, nothing comes into this, nothing comes into existence, whether it's good or bad, except by the decree of Allah.

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Then he said, whatever a lot decrees as good, he informs the people that this is something you should do either by obligating it or making it recommended. And then whatever Allah

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makes, or allows to come as evil, like hammered alcohol, a lot informs the people that this is evil, and don't do it.

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Okay, this is the first part of the answer.

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The second part of the answer

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is that how is this different to for example, the creation of evil in alcohol.

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Allah is the one who decreed it. Now, whether it came when the evil came to human beings through the creation, or through beliefs, or through the angels, what difference does it make, ultimately, the old code from Allah? Yeah. Then he says, As for the angels, they did nothing wrong.

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One because Allah authorized them to do that.

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Number two, because they themselves warn the people do not engage in black magic, do not learn this witchcraft from us. And it was only then that they would teach them if the person himself, despite being advised, went ahead and said yes, as to one, two.

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And then he said, that as for the person who chose to learn it, he is the one who is responsible for sending, not the angels. Yeah, this is the way he explained it. And to be honest, it makes a lot of sense. Like magic is one of many evils. Everything which is evil in this world, is being decreed as such by Allah. Okay. What is our responsibility is to ask, Allah told us that this is evil. If the answer is yes, then Hamas we have to listen to a man stay away from this. Then he added a final line. And he said, with this fitna, okay when she said comes to the root of fatahna, which means to purify gold ore, and to make it pure. By this, he said, were the believers purged from the

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disbelievers. Yeah, what that means is that they all these people, some of them claim to believe some of them claim to be disbelievers. Now, in the mix, if you place this temptation, those who are real will be known to be real, those who are fake and who are pretending and are hypocrites. They reality will also come to the fore as well. They said this is part of the wisdom of Allah subhanho wa Taala. So this is the second view it seems to be the strongest view, okay, that the angels, they were sent as a as a trial for people and they did teach black magic. Yeah, they did, but they told the people that this is a fitna, this is a temptation for attack for again, Cooper is mentioned for

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yet Allah Guna. Minh Houma, manufa una de Bain and model he was going to end in Sharla, which is a few more points, Allah said and what they learnt. Okay, what they learned these people is what they learned something by which they could split the husband from his wife. And this is one of the main effects or one of the main

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target of black magic. And even in our times, there is a lot of black magic done for the very purpose of splitting up a husband and wife. Now you have to ask the question, why would anyone want to do that in the first place? What do you think? What What do people want to do that? Why do people want to see a man woman who are happily married, enjoying themselves, the family? And so you know what I want? I want to destroy them.

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Why?

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Because they envy that

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sense very good. Getting better jobs is you know, very good.

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Because of hazard. This is the main reason why people engage in black magic is out of a sense of envy. They say why does I wanted her for my answer. And she went ahead and got married off to that guy. Well, I'm not gonna stop. I'm gonna do something rather cool or the magician.

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It's exactly what happens. Woman. This is exactly what happens. You trace back these cases of black magic. You find that there is some haunted us and we're stuck with a lot today, but it's true. I'm not making things up. There was an RTG soundware who just didn't like what was going on over there. And said, you know, I'm gonna call up the black magician and do something about this.

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Okay, split them up.

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This is based on what the rage of envy has said. And this is what some of the scholars of Islam, they said, the root of all evil is three, one of them is hazard. All types of things you can imagine taking place in this world, one of the routes they go back to is is jealousy. Now, here is an interesting point to make.

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What what types of magic are they?

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What types of magic are they? a mammoth already said there are two types. The first is hardware, deception, trickery, illusion, optical illusion.

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The second is real, if you like supernatural transformation. He says, For the first time it is like the sorcerer is at the time of most al Islam. Because Allah said,

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for either Shiva who when you say you whom you hire, do la human care midcentury. Allah said, when they threw down their ropes and the sticks, you hire LA, they made it a PR, in the eyes of Moosa that they were moving around like snakes. Yeah, you see the wording you Haiyan from higher? Yeah. Which means imagination.

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And also Allah says in about the same story.

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So how are you in a nurse that they made sorcery over the eyes of the people? This is optical illusion, meaning it was fake. Okay, maybe this is like your Penn and Teller style type of stuff. Yeah. Ben antillas type of magic. Can you see things that you think wow, how did a car trick man? Who was Oliver?

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Black magic? Maybe it's not maybe it's just optical illusion.

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The second time, immortality said is the actual transformation of some sort. And he said it is possible. This is what he said. He said it is possible that a magician can turn a man into a donkey.

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He said as possible, is that it can happen that a man can turn a magician can turn a manager donkey. Yeah. And he mentioned some other things about real transformations, basically. And he said, The look at the verse. What can the magician do? When he learns that black magic? What can you do?

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Yes, he can split up husband and wife now.

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Is that something? Is that optical illusion?

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That's a real that's a real transformation, isn't it? That's a transformation of hate of love to hate. I was gonna say the hate

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is a translation of love to hate. Now how is that even possible? The only way you can say as possible is if you accept that there is such thing as black magic. And that can have a real supernatural type of effect. Now obviously when you hear that you think wow, us that's out of this world man is crazy. So seriously, these guys man, you scared of these guys, man? Seriously, what can they do to you know, live in fear of these people. Just like the man does cater to the graveyard isn't it? And this is what I'll say is directly off of that one our homie babina bohemian beaming, hadden Ellerbee Zilla. They cannot harm any of them, except by the permission of Allah. And with

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that, Allah takes that misconception. And he puts it in its correct place, which is, how do you think they are harming them in the first place? Do you think they have supernatural powers? Do you think they have control over things independently of me? No, whatever happens of evil, it is because I have allowed it to happen. It is by my decree, not outside of my decree, they don't do things which can resist my will. Yeah, they already doing that which I've allowed.

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Another understanding we can take from this is that Allah is saying that they can't harm except what I will. And that suggests that what Allah wills to come about, is far less than what they intended. What does that mean? Even time or expense, he says that many people, they call upon the jinn, in the hope that they will do something for them. But most of what they asked for most of what they try to do, fails, only a small part of it actually ends up working. That is what Allah says, they can't harm at all except for my permission, meaning only a little of what they do actually has an effect

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which should make us realize that you know what, these people are all powerful supreme beings. They are mainly disgusting devils that are trying to do evil in this world. And whatever Allah wills will happen, meaning I should not live in fear of such people. Moreover, when you hear that a lie is the one who's in charge.

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of allowing it to harm. What happens is that your heart starts to rely on a lot to protect you, isn't it? If it's up to you a lot, and I'll turn to you, I will not live in fear of such people. Rather, I will ask you to protect me because only by your permission, that they can harm me anyway, see what this does. He creates this type of reassurance and to work in Allah subhanho wa Taala. The last the last point I wanted to mention, is the conclusion basically, which is what the conclusion is that for us, the real understanding lies in between the two extremes, the extreme of outright denial,

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and the extreme of paranoia. Our understanding is that there is such a thing as black magic. There is such a thing as imposition, though its prevalence might be overstated and exaggerated. That doesn't lead us to deny it. And that does not lead us to deny this is one conclusion. The second conclusion is that this magic and black magic is evil. It is covered. And if anyone has any ideas of engaging in it, or trying to flirt with such ideas or practices, they are doing something which will take them out of the fold of Islam.

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So Auntie G's. For those of you who are engaged in such things, or uncle's or anyone that are doing such things, you need to take a step back. Listen to what Allah said in this verse. This is dangerous. This is something which will make you burn in the hellfire. Think about that when the jealousy burns inside of you think about the burning flames of the hellfire. Do not engage with such people. Such people are not righteous Olia of Allah, they are the scum of the earth. magicians are this literally the scum of the earth?

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So beware of these things. May Allah protect us from the evils of such people as well? May Allah Subhana cleanse us from such people as though there was sort of last element on TV and Mohammed was early he looks at me as mean, does that offend Mark Latham? Has anyone have any questions?

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Many questions?

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Yes. So he mentioned in

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some

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position doesn't exist.

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Okay, so the brother mentioned the question about, you know, certain leading scholars, they are of the view that there's no such thing as Jim position.

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Just a side note, I don't usually name any scholars for talking about something which is problematic or incorrect or controversial, this is not this is not what I do. But I took an exception to this because this problem is growing and those names are used and I thought which is something people need to know.

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But as for your question, can this be problematic on the level of gopher position?

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Now the question should be is denying Jin Cofer.

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This would be the question not leading on to cover cause leading onto cover to suggest and he there's many other things that may happen between this and that.

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No, no, it is not. We don't say schofer.

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In fact,

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what is gopher is to deny the existence of Jim because that is denying clear cut evidence from the Quran, the Sunnah, of which there are so many but denying jinn possession from what I've researched the scholars do though they condemn it did not say it's covert.

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And part of the reason for that and the last one that is best is because there is no clear explicit evidence from the Quran and Sunnah. There is just understanding of the early Muslims and they may be a niche market as well. Yeah, so that is why there's a difference between denying existence of gene and denying gene position

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Allah knows best is this

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you mentioned terms of

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magic can come in the form in terms of reciting something etc Yes.

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This energy here a lot of young people are into music and then obviously of the internet anything people talk about videos etc. that are casting spells is something that is

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in terms of how true that is, because you know, you have a lot of

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practice, okay, like, say tannic practices and stay safe panic songs and these kinds of things

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that affect individuals. So, you know, some people say, Oh,

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you know,

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Then go.

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Wallah your question from what I understand is that listening to or watching videos or, you know, people that practice satanic kind of traditions and practices and songs, you know, of that type of nature. What kind of impact does it have on a person? Well, obviously is not good, big impact

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in terms of, you know, perhaps you mean is there like, you know, some kind of supernatural

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type of effects, you know, superstitious type of things around these boxes, almost one knows best. But to be honest, that point is beside the point, because listening to someone, you know, chant devilish words or whether it's fake or real. It is totally an Islamic you are opening your mind and your heart to witnessing things that will definitely impact you negatively. On your Eman. Yeah, music is haraam. Anyway, this new devilish music is doubleheader.

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Yeah, so whichever way you look at it

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is wrong. Something that person should be aware of? Maybe you're referring to,

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as I remember back in the day,

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the backtracking?

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No, that was what you're thinking.

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The backtracking play the song backwards

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or forwards?

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backwards.

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This is I mean, let's not become too you know, let's not go anywhere near the Paranoid extreme. That's not even the healthy middle channel. A

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lot of young people listen to us. And that and it's a way for whoever it is to get

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more verbal awareness for

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around us to to be aware that that that can be a

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affect you.

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Yeah, perhaps, you know,

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viewing these things watching these things may desensitize you or try or maybe normalize these things in your mind when we would say in fact, be careful because this is Cofer. This is the work of Shelton, if you get involved in these kind of things, you could lose your salon. Yeah, so be careful about these things. Yeah, it's a good one.

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Yes.

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Yeah. A couple of things. One, somebody asked me about this.

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This concept of each person having a green or Yes, all the time. Maybe you could expand on that. Explain what exactly are

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you talking about magicians? Yes. Do you notice a really famous magician who comes in to be a copy of his name?

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Nana Maya, is it possible that he is actually you know, working within okay.

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Dynamite you're not just gonna it's not

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okay. So the career the career is well known the process Adam said every one of us as a marine and my career Aslam. Here. The scholars have two interpretations. What does it mean Aslam? One interpretation is that my evil Qian accepted Islam. Another interpretation is as the means he does not he doesn't heal the influence over me like others do over others. They repeat the question. Okay. The first question is that what is the current understanding of Kareem, Kareem? So this was it. So it is what is is well known and our general understanding of this is that Allah subhanho data, He created us, he placed in our lives, forms of guidance. And then there are forms of tests.

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Okay, in terms of guidance, Allah gave us a fitara Allah gave us an intellect login Quran, Allah gave a science in nature so on and so forth. In terms of tests Allah, you know, he's the one who created the police is the one who created the evil genes. He is the one who created Hummer and all the temptation this world and as we know the person who said that, you know, when he was so gentle, they said to Allah, Allah, you know, why would anyone not want to come in when they saw janome they said they allowed anyone want to come here. And Allah Allah Allah said that we surrounded Jelena with that which is difficult and that and surrounded Jana with that which is pleasurable. So this is

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the setup of life.

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And the Corinne is one part of that. Yeah. As for Dynamo

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and do all the others. Dynamo was one before him.

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David Blaine. Yes. David Blaine. Yes. Yes, he looks evil.

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Seriously, these others isn't the who's the other guy who won he can

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gain weight back

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Another one who can mind control in this context? Dan Brown. Brown Yeah.

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So what what do we say about these these people who seemingly do supernatural things, okay? Even taming Amala said that some people, they, they call out to the jinn in order that the jinn will help them do certain things. meaning they're not calling out to them as magicians to cast to get them to possess people or to harm people, but just to help them do things. So, they can to further their own interest basically. And he said it is well known he brought many stories parlour many stories, that there are people who have to take an oath by the name of certain jinn in order to call upon them, so they would help them

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and the one some of the ways they help them is either that they will

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attack another gene, who is perhaps possessing someone This is the concept of white magic,

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black magic and white magic.

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So, he said this is one way that they would help them another way is that they would come in disguise forms here. So they would come in

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disguise forms, and he gave examples of this parlor. Crazy example crazy, he said, sometimes they take the image of righteous people, like scholars, and he said, I know of some people who I meant that they said they call out to me, and I came to the aid and they another country. And then I told them, I don't know who you are, I never seen you before I never came to visit you.

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And they said there must have been an angel. He said it wasn't an angel was a devil. And he wanted to misguide you, so that you would keep on calling out to people. Yeah, and keep on doing cover basically.

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He also mentioned that some of the ways they can help them is to bring them things like money. He mentioned basically commodities that people will like, and they call upon them It also he mentioned that in order to what we would call teleport them. Okay, beat me up Scotty type of thing. Take me from this place to another place. Okay. He mentioned many examples of story he's narrating stories and so on. So that they will see in here and they will see in there and they were asked how did you manage and he said, all of this is basically gin. They're hoping them out because is that disgusting relationship between them? Okay. So this he said is a reality known well known reality. So if he is

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talking about that in his time,

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then of course, it can happen in our time, whether the person is Dynamo or whatever, it is possible that this person is interacting with Jin, in that very disgusting way that we mentioned. And the genie is helping them here to do these kind of things. As for definite answer, only Dynamo knows

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the law, so you don't eat those. Okay, we're gonna take some hands inshallah is

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watching, watch. Okay, that is good question. To be honest. You gotta give it to him was good.

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was good question.

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Okay, so what's the reading and watching such things?

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My meal story.

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What happened is that my wife with her sister, they went to an Islamic conference

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began.

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And on the stage, how came a magician

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doing tricks and fooling people and people like, wow.

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Then she saw the organizer of the Islamic event. And she said, may I have a word?

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With Jose Hadassah? This is no conference What's going on?

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He said, sister, Danny,

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this is trickery. It is not

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my wife. She didn't want to say. She said a student don't approve of this.

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Then she came on, she told me and I said to myself, interesting. What is the ruling on this

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process? First of all,

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the person who is watching this, can he tell whether this is trickery, or this is

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the can't that's the whole point of it, isn't it? You can't tell you think it's real meaning you think etc.

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So you as an organizer, you are bringing someone to the stage who is going to make people think that they are watching

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this. Otherwise, where's the fun in that? If you know this guy, he's a clown. He's not

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at all idea to fool people to think that this is some supernatural business.

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going on. So I said whether or not it is this or this, the fact is that you're presenting it as if it is black magic

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on the disguise of trickery and sleight of hand and whatever I said there my thought was not thinking about this a lot. I said look a lot Allah say about the magician's of the time also Islam.

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Allah said from one hand

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that they made an optical illusion on the on another hand what Allah labeled them as

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magicians I'll call them sashes yeah

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haha magicians so a lot label them as magicians even though they were doing trickery you get the point.

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So whatever the case any This is not some easy matter that you can just bring out some technicalities and think you know what, it's fine.

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So what what did I bring this up?

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Oh, yes, yes. Yeah. So watching these type of things.

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You know, and watching him I'm saying this is a Jim

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Jensen optical illusion.

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Both of you should be watching this. Because this Milan, if it is full blown, sir. Then what are you doing? You are entertaining yourself by watching someone do Allah.

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Allah forgive us. Sometimes we don't realize these things, man. We are entertaining ourselves by watching someone you know disobey Allah is wrong. Whichever way you look at this wrong. So let's ponder this. Yes. Just

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sisters will ask questions. What do they do?

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The write them down and through the window.

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It will drop it to the window. Okay, sisters, if you want to ask questions, you can. There's a window there.

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One of them is open. And it dropped through and Sharma just got

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one question. There were two floors.

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This is a very high up.

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So they want to ask questions. And I thought as to how they're going to get the questions to us. So I said write the questions down. Make it into an airplane.

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Because contracts here because that's quite

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as first one second one. What about what about? chicken?

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Chicken trickery? That's the Yeah, this is what we just spoke about. Yeah, any level because you're

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in a position where the cause is seeing such an insert thing?

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Yeah, this is what we said all the thing that the whole idea of trickery and optical illusion is to make it out like a supernatural. This is our point. So you're either you're trying to think settle, or you're trying to do

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either way. islamically and he wouldn't be right.

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palm reading here.

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Yeah, so this

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is not for me. Yeah.

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Okay, okay. I'll take your question maybe. Depends on other questions. Yes.

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To the dots. Yes. So brothers basically use videos in cases of fear

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to give down and maybe help them bring them on?

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Or is it something that we should stay away from?

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The brother asked the question about, you know, making these type of videos go viral with his brother Araki. He's doing okiya and you know, he sees the patient you know going through different episodes and all the rest of it is it good to share these type of things?

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For a lot of them because the main the first reaction most people get is they become seriously scared. You know, the night Wow, this is crazy. I don't know what something else. But if it's done in the right context, which is to show the power of Rokia as opposed to the power of gin, inshallah, we'll be okay. Yeah, so it depends on you know, why and more importantly, the impression that people will get if it will be a good impression. The context is right, then Shama? Maybe it's good to share those things. Okay. Last last question.

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Okay, two last questions. Yes. So first, yes, sir.

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Like magical evil. Is that it turned the lights off.

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Okay. We want to keep it to

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Magic Sharma bordering the Sufi Islam now schema devising Shama

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to say let's not go there today is

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on the positive side of the Jin Jin who

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are the candidates?

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And if we

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meet, Jin?

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Very

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good question he had the question. The first question is those who accepted the hands at the you know, those who accepted Islam at the hands of the processor them are they consider to be companions. And moreover, the second question is if a person managed to speak to

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one of those did we accept Islam at the hands of the president? Would they become a target?

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couldn't even think of the question the long answer.

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I'll find the answer next week.

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