Is Mirza Jesus Adnan Meets Razi (Ahmadi).
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It's very kind of him, I really appreciate that. I'm very happy that you guys came, I give him a big hug outside in the parking, parking area. And
I just want everyone to know that we can continue this spirit. Okay? We we're not here to degrade or humiliate or insult each other. Rather, he will say what he thinks is true, and I will respond. And I will say what I think is true. And that's it. It's a very short conversation, let's keep it dynamic. You know, let's not stick to one topic, because that is gonna go on
as many topics as we can. And I just want to start with one important thing, which is that, for me, the Muslims like to acknowledge this one thing we can agree on is the beautiful state of Hazzard Naghmeh dibny Humble Ramallah you're aware of it were someone where he basically explained that I would jump to I get so amazed that you know, someone gets a Saheeh standard, and they respond by saying Sofian authority said this order, you know, and for us Hoja is Quran and Hadees apart from Quran and Hadees the only Hoja for us is EJ mov Sahaba not so hobbies personal because like the athlete had the Salah, Mike's main goal is Sahabi Lisa de Hoja right so I want to start with but how
about have these when you say this, do you have a standard to follow these for example authentic this because I have found that families use a lot of inauthentic fabricated reports to support the viewer as well. So we're glad Maddie Lysa see this question of love manualized isa it's really important in some ebony Marja, right and some scholars are authenticated as well okay example ethnic a fear that from Allah in Obadiah wanna hire he writes that people say this hadith says we because of Khalid bin al Joon dndc His Mattoon but then he explains that he was actually the shape of Imam Shafi other Allah might also accept the hustle and bustle Mujahid used to say that he said naman is
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young men command Asha men come okay okay from you who meets you send me not only this anon Bay in so we have to check the authenticity so we'll do that where do you have the yeah Angelica Yeah, this on your memory and a number not only that, whenever we discuss in Montmagny we start from Buhari and listen, but all of these points you see they are very important point so we can discuss them are our main contention you know, as the lead when I say Muslims, again, when I say you are non Muslims, this is not an insult. This is by our standards, okay. By you know, we are sitting in the masjid and we're talking, you know, like brothers in humanity. Okay, we don't see eye to eye with each other.
Clearly. I'm not an armory, and you're not a Sunni. Okay, right. Sunni Muslim. But we we believe that because because of the virtue of your belief in Missoula, mercadien he has another prophet. That's the real issue. Okay, all these discussions, which are very important on the Quran on Tafseer on Hadith, our disagreement, everything stems from one phenomenon. And that phenomenon is the claim of Mirza Ghulam Muhammad Qadiani to prophethood. That's where the real issue is. Okay. All the things we discuss, okay.
Your secondary primary is Menza Okay, so this is with me
That means us is at the center of it. So, this is why
when I say that we should not discuss anything else other than Mirza Willem, I'm at Qadiani himself. I don't mean that we can't discuss other topics. Other topics Katamon Nobu or topics like Rafa Tomasi or Hayato mercy. Okay, all of these topics can be discussed. But why do the AMA these discuss these topics because they want to bring the buck back to Missoula Qadiani because they want to show us
as we seem to be misguided to the Ahmadiyya community, we appear to be misguided to them, because we're not believing in a true prophet. Right? So you want to bring us to the true prophet of God and ezhava La Mancha. And we are saying, that's where we're going to start. We don't want to go to any other discussion. On this, I just want to make something clear. So first, we have to understand what was the claim of hazardous Morales and what was his claim? So everyone is aware, right? The main difference between us and this is 12 Hezbollah somes books, is that not the AHA district here on the Zulu embassy. These are mutawatir Hadith has a deficit. The lesson says whoever denies them is
mineral medicating. Anyone who denies New Zealand mercy is denying what the water bodies but the question is that we have Sahil Buhari here, the most authentic book after the Quran, right? We should look at what digital Soula Sallallahu osmc. A bow has a DISA lesson. And what does the Quran say ago as a DISA lesson because if as a DISA lesson, is alive in the heavens with his body according to Kitab, Allah and Sahil Buhari, everything is finished, but if we pull from the mahkum ayat of Quranic Karim, that has it the Celestion has died, and according to a Guan of Nabi SallAllahu. Listen and Iijima of Sahaba insight here Buhari then the latter day Messiah has to be
someone else. And that is all found inside here. So let me just quote one verse because it's, I understand
will let you record the verses or just the the point is again the same point let's say for the sake of the argument we cut to the chase we can see that a Sal esalaam died
out of Allah We don't believe that we have today. I know.
when he was not a prophet yet, when he wasn't getting hungry. What was his with the Quran and the Sunnah in front of him. And he did his to have like any other of our Muslims. What was his opinion on it? Yeah, so in this time, he believed in exactly what we believe. And this is clearly stated in his book, but briny, Ahmadiyya, I believe is that you see them as the topmost color keep him from his understanding of Quran and Sunnah without additional what he did not get that out of so this is a really disagree with this is a really important question. But there's a famous concept right in Islam, I want to cut to the chase, you see I this all of this conversation, this discussion, I want
to cut to the chase. So let's say we can see it, we can see it, let's say for argument's sake, is Ali Salam died, as the Ahmed is claiming, although they're the first ones to come up with this. Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani had to come come up with this. Let's say he's right, for the sake of the argument. Okay. And let's say that, you know, prophethood is still open. For the sake of the argument.
I'm going to give you this, you know, space to move around. Let's say, for the sake of the argument, I'm making it very clear that this is to ask this Cofer to believe this is Cofer TCE clsm has died. No,
actually, we do that. I believe it's called Okay, so now Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, because it goes against the Quran. Okay, my understanding because I believe is in the Quran. The the life of Isa Salam is not Quran dasa again, because anyone who denies that clear verse of the Quran, anyone who denies any verse of the Quran is Cofer.
Wait my point? Let's say we concede. Okay. Now the buck comes back to Missoula Muhammad Kalyani, you want to argue that prophethood is open for what for Mirza? You want to argue is Ali salaam died from his ASABE no problem. Let's come to miserab and let's assess his character perfect so you can do his writing love to do that we can discuss OISE but normally when it comes to a guide, you can just say for argument's sake we don't want to discuss
So listen, let's just say he died when you sing the Quran says is allowable. I've already I've already saved the time I've already saved on the verses I call I request if you just listen to them and then told me where I'm mistaken, let's let's not so much. Let's let's start quote first and then the second one you call, I'll give you my view on that, and then we'll move to the next. The problem is, again, we're going to open a discussion where I've already said can learn for the sake of the argument or give one Either you give the other IOQ. Okay, no, but then you're insisting on discussing the same topic. It's really important if you sell so if you accept that he died, right?
If you accept saying let's let's argue for the sake of the argument, let's accept that position. do that because I'll tell you why. You can't agree to disagree and go for it. No, no, no, no, I am doing I'm doing something that will help us get to the end will help they'll cause more harm. I'll explain why. Because even if we give you a million signs, and I answer all your allegations on his character, his writings are less Salam. And if the dig Quran says e clsm. Is Alive according to its coolfire I'm saying I'm saying your your claim that ESA Allah Islam died, and
because of that, the Mercy has to be someone else. Yeah. I understand. You're pointing to Bly, I understand your point. Okay. You're claiming prophethood is not closed with Muhammad Sallallahu. Okay, there is another prophet that can come afterwards. No problem. I'm saying to us, these beliefs are Cofer. But I will say for the sake of the argument, let's say we concede, okay, we have I mean, let's see anon Rashid concedes now what next? So next what you're going to do next is because Missy has to be someone else and because there is a profit coming after Mohamed Salah Salem, it hasn't been resolved well I'm not Qadiani Correct. No, it doesn't work like that. Let me explain what
else we have more than doesn't offer no no other option but number you have done this time that there's a key there in the Quran the bressay coup, you should listen to it and then 10 minutes there'll be over this discussion go ahead because you're gonna bring the same point No, I will. I will just allow me the because Adnan basin UK we can speak whenever I'm hard that inshallah no other one other Liberian visa basically answer him again. So you basically stated that whoever rejects the death of he said Maria is a carpenter. No, this is in our belief all explained that way. Now. I'll explain that.
Going back. You will read this.
Oh, come on. No, I won't. I won't. I won't. You know, why didn't you know why I won't put up Oh, come on you. Because if you read that same page that you're quoting of Haqiqa, Turkey, where the hokum is given as attachment the lesson makes it clear that it's only if the Hukam adult has presented you the Hoja then you reject it in my opinion, a non by still hasn't seen our arguments, which is why I want to present one if you allow me Brother, please, because there's not much time. So I'd normally I'm going to only call Buhari and Quran, okay, and it will seal everything. It's a more converse, and everything will make sense if you can, oh, this okay. Okay. Pardon? No problem.
At the HUD fellow gonna be Alhamdulillah Okay, so this is the end of Surah Al Majda, the last ruku Muslims knowing right?
Right here. What is called Allahu ja II sub nama Yum, are under control in Nassetta. He's the only one OMYA Illa Hanuman dunya Allah that when Allah was say that, Oh, Isa Santa Mary, did you see Lin NAS Did you see to the people to take me and my mother as to God's besides Allah? Allah subhana Casa de Sala some guests for answers. He says Holy Are you Maya como li an Akula Melissa Lee behalf it is not permissible for me to sit down which I have no right input to call to Hoopa Alinta if I had said it, you would have surely known it that Allah ma fina see Allah Allah mama fina sick you know what is in me? I do not know what is in you in Naka Anton llaman who you then he says Marcos to LA home
illa ma Amantha any be here nico de la Jara Viva con. I only told them worship my Lord and your Lord rugby we're about to come. We're going to lay him Shaheed the madam to feed him and I was a witness over them as long as I remained among them. This is his first period amongst money save for LaMotta with fake money when you cause my the Wafaa you taught me and for whatever transition you take, you taught me just take a lesson in the Quran. How not the Wafaa
You're not gonna be system or you take me or Allah says or we take you in for
then unless hesitation some says, For llama to have faith and when you took me, right, Quinta, Anta rocky Valley and after that, only you know what happened, right? The key word is when I was with them and when I was not with them in the middle is that the Wafaa of Hazzard PISA lesson which is clear cut from the Quran Allah who get the waffle Anfisa Hina Moti one lucky lumped them with phenomena which you have accepted in your videos that it sleep for as it is. Right so it has to say it has two meanings. Sleep or sleep or death. Okay, both have been used perfect sleep or dead. The Wafaa has no third meaning, but please. Yeah, yeah, no. So the Wafaa has two meanings sleep or death
and it's The Taking of the soul Allah yet too often. And Fusa This is Sahil Buhari, the most authentic book after the Quran. Right we agree or disagree. This is Kitab with tafsir Imam Buhari has different chapter headings and he puts the verse that relates. I present two goals from the same chapter surah Majda. This ayah is being referred okay. First we have work on Abu Abbas and Radi Allahu Anhu. Abell, who Nabi says and said Allah Houma, la mala Kitab wala teaching the kitten, he says mutawa chain, but only explained that right now your 10 second this is Monica.
So you have to explain what that is. Yeah. What is a is one of the supporting statements. It doesn't have chain and the authenticity of the mandala God has to be checked. So the narration is muda we're fika mummy Touka from Ebony Abasa de la ha No, it's more la casa Imam Buhari the sonnet is the Ibni Abasa de la one unconsented from Ali Abdullah beetle Ha, which Mufasa Nene Mohammed defin ebony hodgin Sha Valina Mohandas daily and all of the Aqaba Imams to UT they have accepted it's the most strongest chain tape nearby. So are you telling me now honestly, no one questioned this other people did but it's disputed. It's disputed but the owner must agree like
when when when it's a Muslim or when is a report in Bukhari with a chain not questioning that's where the next piece comes in. It's coming now that the Lila is coming number before to make a point for Akita you cannot bring evidence that's disputed. Yeah. So yeah, it is he so what I said was, according to the MaHA defin, it has to be undisputed. Yes, yes. According to the MaHA Delphine, this sonnet, according to ebony Haji Imams, UT Sharla modesty is the most authentic and last thing on this I got that but you also conceded that it has been questioned but in the same very disparate report question, but we're talking about Imam Behati def Mala Yeah, no, he believed in there are so
many there are so many reports in the mandala cards in the mandala card of Imam Bukhari that are not authentic okay, but you know that right yes, you are aware Yes. So bringing this as a Tarik okay doesn't make it authentic. There's one misconception you that you have to exclude this conversation now it's always less than or less than the Mohammed the Fein Adnan by they agreed that when Imam Buhari down Mullah does an elite can rewire with Sega to jasm Okay then hook more men who be say her not all the all of the time you can check this I read the books a new theming chef Salia boss
count economic on ignore how jealous Kalani stay mom see you at all. Abdullah Massey when it's Talica and there's only two Granger opinions you decide to raise. And that was the that was one point out the next page. This is where the fact that this is where you're mentioning this this guy? Yeah. Rightly so. Yeah. With with do with due respect, no problem. But the fact that had the theme have question? Yeah, Madison, who is Omaha? Omaha This is a scientist. This is where there's a scientist
answers everything the very next page. So this has to be clarified the same time. The report you're presenting is questionable. Yeah, but this question is in the next one is it because Ibni a Basa de Allah one four says the same thing from Rasul allah sallallahu. Listen in Buhari Kitab with the seer with the sonnet and it's more toward that it's found in almost every book on this so this is
hotter better sooner, Allah He SallAllahu listen Takala ya Are you Hannah's inner commercial Lunella logging
He who fought and they'll see narration you quoted in your football we can take this as a sign perhaps anyhow, all get to the Chase has it Muhammad Sallallahu sallam said the first of the human beings to be dressed on the day of resurrection will be Ibrahim alayhis salam barely some men from my father's will be brought and then the angels who have dried them to the Hellfire who say hobby will say hobby. I will see dear My Sahaba I reply what can
you do not Inaka lotta Dyneema Agha Suba can you do not know what they did after you? Then the solar cell organism beautifully says sallallahu alayhi wa sallam Kulu Kumar call up the solid. I will see as the piously says, when Allah tells me about my Saba some of them I will sit down my sub Allah will say, you know I will say to Allah, working to allay him Shaheed the MME to fear him for LaMotta our faith in Kunta Antara Kiba Nabi sesam draws the comparison with isa Alessandra that while we are with their people, there are panto heat after my death Oh ALLAH. Both are nations went astray after Delta Mokum II of Quran Malcolm Hadees not disputed very good and you agreed that the word for means
an elf has never woken up? Yeah. Okay. Now, what is this? Oh yeah, the meaning of course is clear. We have no dispute we already clarified it can mean death and sleep. Now I know there are there are there are a number of issues with this argument. This is why I want to cut to the chase and come to the to the point of contention. The point of contention is Mirza Villa Qadiani but I will quickly respond to all this one and make notes I don't forget anything there is a fine No, no, just just just, it's being recorded. I need to respond to respond. Oh, just just like I'm responding. Fine. It's fine. So so the first thing is the first thing is this idea. Okay?
If we take your meaning, it contradicts and I have the Quran, which it doesn't, which it doesn't. I'll show you. First of all, this type of faith money. Okay. You can have two explanations that fit our understanding perfectly well. Number one, this type of ad when it applies to isa salaam, it's asleep. Okay, it is sleep. It's on Day of Judgment. Yeah, yeah, it is sleep. If it refers to his his being put to sleep before He ascended to the heavens, then it is sleep. But if it's a reference about him coming back, okay, having done all the jobs that were to be done by him is second coming and then he will die if we take the meaning of death, okay, in the first case is sleep okay, so we
can explain this away in two ways. Okay. One way is to have faith any asleep. Okay.
Just like in the mood of a fika Okay, there we take the meaning of sleep. Okay. And this has been reported multiplied by a number of Sahaba Sahabi said this open shine Sahaabah only a moto fi comm not a single Sahabi said moneymaker I will show you it's nowhere in the master that none I will show you on a single site will show you you will. I will show you from Bukhari Cotabato SEER I'm gonna
wait wait wait, wait, wait I'm going to show you okay, how this has to be
sleep. I will show you from Bukhari Tabata the same hobbies yes a hobby as a hobby as he said. Yes.
I'm sure you're not sure you leave it with me when I build my case you will understand so very quickly, so it's either sleep which is in the first case and even if you impose the meaning of death upon it, then we can say this is about the Second Coming.
No, no, no, we can we say that if just to save the argument, just to save the argument, okay. If it is death, okay, if you want to take that meaning for it, okay. Then it has to be the second coming. When he has come. He has fought that the jar He has fought Juju module and then he died and he will be buried next to the Prophet in Medina. We have a space for him, right?
We do have a space for him where the vehicle from the space is different. I did I don't want you to be misquoted on one. Yeah, just to make it clear. This verse is saying that the NESARA went astray after the one unnecessary Street today so you can take the death meaning because that would mean the salah somebody died yeah, witness Sadara street where does it say in the western US auto industry Okay, so the verse doesn't say it does work going to a lay him Shaheed the madam tough
see him before this rugby was going to allow him shade the mud them to him I know what they did when I was among them for nama to have faith in me after you did my Wafaa Quinta Antara key Burlington only watch in Arabic content under come some hassle key that you alone Yama is unaware even let's say let's say Okay very good very good. Okay so let's take the first meaning and this is sleep. I'm going to show you from the Quran this asleep. Go to Surah Nisa, verse and in 59
I'm going to show you from Tabata fear that the Sahaba believed that this is a solid salaam you already said the statement that
you hold Masada straight after they sleep asleep or death whatever this is after the fact. And now you you stand by that right less than that after he after the
after they went astray. No Yeah. So this is the worst out of 11 should already Yeah. And also the for clarity are soulless Quran will Quran is the first and I agree same with us we agree okay, but now you get to that just one quick thing in sleep right? And watch what the Quran says body one means
which one is 159
It says how do we learn should go under a game to learn Mandarin well Eman al Kitab
Illallah you may not be called Bella mo de
la manana Viva
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you may not be sorry. Okay Cabela mo T. Okay, well your Malkia your corner Allah Masha you okay now same wording. He will be a witness upon them on camera on camera. Okay, brilliant. Now
none of the Al Kitab will be left not one guess you agree with this transition? Okay. Eman al Kitab Illa La Mina Nabi. Okay. Until they believe in him. Who is he Salas
gobbler mo de Kablammo. Before his death
moto he is the reference to lick it the only No, no, no, no, no. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Let me explain to everyone who is not understanding this. The Quran says started from here because Yeah.
time dialing Yes. After he was taken, yes, absolutely instance. Okay. So now, coming back to the point, the verse is saying just to explain to everyone that none of the people of the book will be left except that every single one of them will believe in him before his death, this is a plain translation Okay. His now the Ahmadis claim his is the person dying okay. The person dying Kitabi I am saying I am saying this is a Salah Salaam and why is this a problem for the Ahmadis why? Because if we take the second meaning that it is about a Salah salaam that this means that about the people who disbelieved in him after his tava after is the offer. It is believed in him, okay? And they just
believed in him. But here it says every single one of them will believe in him. Every single one of them
before his death before his death. They claim he died in Kashmir. And Barry is buried in Kashmir. The Amethyst don't don't I mean, that's the opinion don't worry about it. Okay, we can you know, it's it sounds funny to us, but for the army, this is a serious matter. No problem. Okay, they claim he sell Islam died. I am saying if this verse is understood, as I understand it, I as I understand it, then it's over. Yes, yes, it's over. Okay, now get about a few. Oh, god, wait, wait, wait, wait.
We have good luck with that with the fee for this word. I'll tell you it's sort of a massage suit on the sofa. Wish it were to it. We love that. You have to give me a
course. But you have to understand and see just like your use of the lamina bars are tried using him against me. Okay, I'm gonna do the same thing and show you how your particular understanding false and
interpretation will not be for these brothers.
It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. I'll just have what I have here.
So we're gonna first let us see what the Sahaba think about this sahaya BS. One is enough for us it's not because I'll call a Sahabi Lisa Bihu JF Question Eight why Zwingli Charboneau Boston has this long this team all proven course. There is no
there is a drummer that is esalaam is alive he did not die.
Now may listen this inimitable fika mummy Toka you said your show me a sahab you send money Mooka you have to do I'm thinking I'm gonna show it right now when he said moto Ophelia Abu Huraira when he says this is about isa Wait, wait. No. Why are you laughing?
When Abu Huraira says this is about Sri Salaam. What did he say? He didn't seem worth our feet and there's no problem. No problem. I know he didn't say that. But when he's saying that every single person from the Al Kitab will believe in him before it lies.
I brother I had that hadith. Quran is saying that right? It doesn't only explain now No. Abu Huraira thinks that's what he's saying. Yeah, even that's wrong. Let's see. I'll explain. I'll explain. Okay, after you've done that number 159 45 to 63 It must be repeated.
This is a Buhari.
Throwing Shade to me it should be under a monotonous guitar by 41594159. Are these Yeah, no, no. 4159 I like Buhari Kitab on this surah nisa. So until we find it, I believe in it. I believe in it. I read it. I agree. It's there. Just be patient just be patient.
So, just to give a background, okay, on this, this verse,
according to artist understanding is so categorical in its application, because LA he if you go to versus before, and
if you look at the context of this, this verse, it is talking about Isa esalaam repeatedly. Okay, so Moti he, Moti, he here is a reference to Eastern Islam that before he dies, every single one of the every single one of the other Kitab will believe in him how because the other reports clarified say authentic report, when isa Salam comes back, he will give you know, he will do three things. He will break the cross. Okay, we will live Jizya Okay, and he will kill the jungle. Okay. And the pain and the pigs Yeah, it will kill the Buddha. The jail is a separate report. Now, here
when he left the jizya this means that he will give two options to the Jews and Christians when he comes back. This is second coming. Okay. You die, or you accept me as the Islamic. Islamic Jesus. Yeah, yeah. Islam or the sword? Yeah, right. Yeah. Okay. So now, yeah, this is Nick. This is a sign of the this is not normal circumstances. Okay. This is part of Sharia. According to you
This one is this one Bye bye. Okay. Abu Huraira said that the Messenger of Allah said by him in whose hand my soul is the son of Meriam will shortly descend among you as a just ruler and will break the cross kill the pig and abolish the jizya then there will be an abundance of wealth and nobody will accept charitable gifts anymore. At that time. One prostration will be better for them. Then there's life and all that is in it. Okay. abora said rule. said read if you will. We're Eman al Kitab Illa Luqman on Nabil Cabela Moti. And then he says, Okay.
The hadith ends there. Okay. That essentially Yeah, okay, so this is this is in reference okay. He said that before his death refers to death of Isa son of Maria Maria. Okay, it's not in the air. No, it's not in the Arabic let's open the Arabic It just says you read the ayah Okay, that's it the same IO. We believe in he read it. That's that's one second that said he
started this number on the Justice fund growing to more imminent Nikita Villa up in NAB Kablammo T biomol chiamata
Nan Bay. Well, first of all, let's say Abu Huraira This is in this vein. Correct? No in vain.
when our era
Rage This is with this hadith with the second coming of a Salah Salam in context of lifting lifting the jizya Okay, so Abu Huraira connects this Hadees or these responsibilities of Isa salaam with this idea and that's what we were claiming
we will believe in isa before he died but I do not know if this was my this is the point yes
we believe in let me okay
because you previously said no no I don't accept Abu Huraira said that part that you just said I accept the Buhari thing he said 100% That's a must know that myth narration that's different. No no Connect
is dead Cebu Herrera read the ayah he didn't say that our belief is that he said he didn't dream our belief is SLS is alive.
Now let me know we have playing because you quoted a verse and you we have to establish our point right
this if you accept that abroad desire Yes, I believe you read this if it says the Arabic is so my yard crow something like that sama Yatra and he says to Maya Kulu Abu Huraira * throwing shade. Now this is where the problems let me explain why. Okay, let me be mentioning a lot of points and let me finish my point is the hadith is what it says that bye bye. The one in whose hands my my life will be
that these is Ysidro, Maria will soon descendants. That's a problem for you guys. Okay, we accept all these securities now. But then he will do these three things. I accept all this. One of them is geez, yeah. Geez. Yeah. Bye bye. Okay, lifting the jizya what does it mean? I'll explain that now. First, we have to discuss the idea because you mentioned the IRA. And the first thing you said it's more come this is what you said. You said it's categorical. Right? This contradicts as we are named born from day 1/3 Let me explain why. If you open the Syrah, Tabori, he starts his this year by seeing a colorful Alama and he gives a disease the word on the mind says tilaka Athleta when
something like this and he quotes the view of the Sahaba Okay, and he quotes let me let me just finish he quotes the view of Ibni Abasa de la one row Okay, he puts it near bosses view there and the famous scholars Sinhala pani party I think you know of him
actually has this let me
see according to notice, okay, we accept this or no no but you said you didn't accept it
say once you're gonna say it says has the wording that Pablo Fernandez said okay that this refers to the Darrow
explained this next
you know, except that in the Muslim, the Muslim this wording from Abu Hara is there or Messiah has it? Mr. Holloman? Let me explain brother just let me explain.
Our Messiah has written in his words that this was the view of Abu Huraira Radi Allahu Allah we do not have the law we're gonna read the word one second we don't have to laugh that this was a boo Raiders view
he's explaining her mama third Bushra many of his Arab Yeah. So let me just point now and No, no, you can finish your point. Look, this is why having conversations like this, okay?
It's it's lengthy. Okay, at best what's going to happen is you're going to say we don't accept your view. Okay, because we're insisting on our view, we have grounds to have this view. No, you don't although we don't have any grounds will
only explain why and when you when you see my
just giving you so look, let me tell you why you have why you have no grounds at all unless or no grounds at all whatsoever Brother, no grounds at all. So but nobody says let me find the scholars disagree. Let me finish.
All explain now all explain in detail. The first point is Allah the Almighty in the ayah says Eman are located. There is no one from the People of the Book except that they will believe in him. Right. Ali Kitab are dying as we speak. Are they believing in SLS? No. No. The verse is not one of them or disbelieve in it no when he comes back see now
why do I say when he doesn't see that right now you Sahaba said okay now
you get the point. Why? Why I believe in what I believe in? I believe this is about a second coming is physical Second Coming.
And this is when he will die. But according to the worst because the worst is none of them will be left.
Nikita beanies time this time, because that's the application of the sob This is where the issue comes now. If the Quran if I show you from the Quran that Allah the Almighty says that the year hood and the kuffaar will remain tokuyama Yeah. And a Salah Salam will be a sign of Yama and they will remain and
focus on the point where the Aleste focusing on your point Yeah, and I'm responding to it. Listen.
I listen, everything
will be established with what signs Okay. Things happening. Yeah, number one. Number two, what are the major signs of human karma? What are the major signs
unless it's in the Quran kuffaar will remain ELI your milk Yama, okay? How
can one No condom in India very lucky law wadded up if the law
exactly there is no temptation is causing if the love with ground say here this needs to be number one I just said
will be your by the 30 seconds 30 seconds. Number one Quran says what Jilin Medina taboga, focal Edina kufr rue de la yarmulke that I will grant those who follow you superiority to those who disbelieve Kochiyama which means people it's almost done last
40 minutes and just in this one I will move right after this. Yeah, he told you that we want to talk about the main point was switch topics right after this. In the beginning he talked about the main you took them down this path where he said that we always talk about this
stuff. So we'll switch to 40 minutes. I don't think it was wasted. We wasted 40 minutes on your one first, which is long. So now we stopped you in mind Marcus.
Just relax relax. Yeah, let's talk about the main point. What he wants to talk about. That's the mean I'll be done in 30 seconds. Okay.
Give me one minute and this talk so number one I showed you from the Quran kuffaar will remain number one number two Sahih Muslim says the John will have 70,000 You're good with them. Will they accept this lesson they will be sold in the battlefields right number no yes I do all let me respond one by one very quickly. No, no, no third point where then when I'm done you go.
I asked him in a third point is to I said say he mustn't says the job. What have you heard number two, number three, the C vs. Ye yomo chiamata Kulu. Aleem shader. When that comes with fail, it means not only on Kiama he will be a witness and fourth point in the toughest year. It's mentioned nearly all of them Kara will be Ben Cobb. Cara will be Ben cub you mentioned in your garage. It's not one of the 10 don't bring it up
get out there No, it's not. God bless him he at least let him finish. And this breaks your point that this is more because the toughest to make it near boss is to say cobbler motifs cobbler motorcade, one minute no point. One, one point 1.1
point point one my response is Jesus isa salaam his coming is your milk Yama. I agree 100% So the verse there's no contradiction. Point two was what? Point two was what? That he's gonna kill you who this? Yeah. Okay, the second thing one of the things that he said esalaam has come coming to do is to fight the general fight how just the general alone his establishment. Whoever is with the general is the enemy. Isa salaam will come to fight the general and his entire establishment. Okay, it's very clear. They will kill the absolutely we will kill anyone who's with the job. Okay, my next point. Next point. Next one was what? When Zara comes with fail while your male chiamata Kulu Alain
shaida like okay, yarmulke, Yama they will be because those who are killed the dad kuffaar. Right. Yeah, the diet kuffaar And then they will be resurrected as kuffaar On the day of judgment. So he will be a witness against them. Absolutely. So there is no contradiction there. So you're understanding you're spinning, you're putting your own, you know, understanding on everything. We have we have we have very strong reasons, I believe. Yeah, no, but to find liberal but but do you do you disagree with the fact that the OMA of Rasulullah salam for 1300 years had this view? No, including miza
No, no, no, no, no. Now you're a husband in Marathi village man. Let me let me quote Mirza himself. Yeah. Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani. He said, he said, he said in bryonia Ahmadiyah. That
This is what he believes in that resell. esalaam will come in a bodily form, return. Okay. Then later on, he states that not Allah told me that that's not the case. And I believe just as most Muslims most insane
Okay, when I say
there's no edge mark, yeah. So do you agree? There is no, no No Okay wait, wait, let's say let's say let's say would you say 90%?
There is no number given okay, but
the overwhelming majority of Sahaba was Omar Mohamed Ihlara. soon caught colored men who still when Nabi sysm, passed away where what happened? It was not answering my question. My question is majority. Yes, yes.
Yeah, yeah, the main the main point I want to come back to is what have you established so far? Majority of the Muslims, if not all, if not all, I will give roughly this much weight you have to wait majority of the Muslims by the by the admission of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Cardinia Qadiani. himself, but jority of the Muslims hold this view. Yes, No, not today up to the time. I disagree. Sahaba.
So my point is, once upon a time, Mirza Ghulam Ahmed held this Yes. Correct in which you say is good for? No, no, no, it's only Cofer. And if the Imam Mati presents the
interview, and Bonnie is with us, he says Nabil says,
find me a prophet. Yeah, that had that much of a wish they had the mistake. And Allah did not protect it. Because for our Sierra Club, this is this is the next point. This is the next more get
Bonnie says what was done and today here means down and now it's clear. Now it's clear to me Look, we he was dragging on this issue. And Bonnie said Dawn Luna, and then he says Koblin Sunil ye at Nami next topic, okay. That's this one. No, no, we're coming. We're coming to them without getting a minute. So I didn't know. You put it on yourself.
You won't have
all of this exercise we did just for the last 40 minutes. Which what I want you all about that what's gonna happen is we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna present of course
do is will tell us because the idea was more.
We'll see all of this. Yeah, I don't understand this. It sounds like art.
Okay, it's fine. No, no, it's not about that.
Yeah, so the iPhone, it is a corded.
couplers that's one that's fine. But let's come let's come back. Let's not waste time in arguing. Let's come back to the discussion. By the way, guys.
My guests, they are my guest CO we have to you expect he's calling me John? No, no, no. Do you know what Jamie? Yes. It means you don't have knowledge. I had to fly a plane.
I just saw a statement from I don't know, Barney, maybe that Ambia were on the B system. He said no, no. You said you understand.
You said you said you understand. No. Albinoni Setubal knobbies.
Buddha nature I try to understand okay.
Yeah, he brought he brought an understanding from the Quran that a Salah Salam died and whoa, okay. Okay, and won't return that's what they believe in. I am insisting from the Quran that the understanding is flawed for a number of reasons. Two reasons. Two reasons. Number one, the Quran current contradicts it directly I have given my words he doesn't accept me no problem no. Because his understanding goes against the loop and the flow of the Quran. No, no, no, no wait, let me finish
this the book itself says that I'll offer you a bonus similar from
Abu Malik commented, this occurs after isa returns and before he dies and then all the people scriptures we believe in Hampton Tabori here so basically if they are bad boss that's a weak chain okay some job and other weak nude is the most authentic chain kidney Abbas is Olivia Bitola I already established that and he said it's like your motor Yahoo Dean, Sinhala, Pawnee party side. He says I believe in AR T Missy. But this narration of behind that you present he said don't use this because the MaHA tip of this eye in monocular Kitab are the Jews
of navi system Sanjay asked to start from there and he says Ibni a boss is your great which is actually
let me speak
yeah we're gonna quickly move on I have to speak now very quickly Yeah. So, here why the what the Ahmadi is do generally they hop from source to source they make a kitchen what we call a kitchen a unit okay trees they make like like a cocktail of sources and then they present an evidence they present the final product so what does he has done he has he's picking up stuff from fanola funny but he is picking up stuff from ignore bar some debris shadow opinions strange what we got strange opinions, what you see are the three literature if this this kind of stuff can affect those who have not read RFC literature, Arthur C literature is filled with strange, dubious, fabricated opinions.
And many of them are at the scene and Morpha serene brought these opinions in for context for contextualization, or for the sake of information that this information as dubious as it is, exists. So they documented what they do the anomalies. They pick up this dubious information when Mirza did by the way, it's not their fault. It's actually I don't blame him. He did desert Canada, let me let me I can give evidence for that Mirza hopped from source to source because when he decided that he wants to be the Messiah, the Promised Messiah when he decided, oh, because Ahmed has claimed Allah decided okay, but that's another problem. Now we guess we're gonna come to that in a minute. Okay.
When Moses have decided that he wants to be the Messiah, the Promised Messiah, he started to come up with these ideas. Now how can he be the Promised Messiah? If Jesus is still alive? Jesus, the son of Mary, the one who was born of Mary, how can he be the Messiah? If he's alive? So he has to die? Jesus has to die if he doesn't die, I cannot be the Messiah. So he killed Jesus Christ. How did he kill what what alternative?
No, no. No Mirza when I'm at Kalyani killed Jesus Christ metaphorically metaphorically because this the walk by you are
so he could of course you can't kill him. Well, you know what I mean, by that? I mean by that that he decided to kill him. This is books.
Books. Yeah, I think
we can all agree on this stuff and not be like,
let me finish quickly. I'm finishing and then we're gonna move on. Okay. He killed him in his books. And then he claimed to be that Messiah, which was promised in Hadees. No, but there is a big problem now. There is a big problem. The Hadith literature is so categorical about the coming of a Salah salaam the Second Coming and with the responsibilities you will do that Mirza could not possibly claim those things. He did claim to be the Promised Messiah. Okay, by the way, there is no term in Sharia in Islamic sources that has the words al merci al more rude, okay. The prom the Promised Messiah, there is nothing in this was a term coined by Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani adopted from the
Jewish literature because they are waiting for the Promised Messiah that the jar they are waiting for the job. So this term was adopted by miserables from the Jewish sources. Now now. The Quran and the Sunnah, in particular Hadith literature uses terms like isa Ibnu Merriam, okay, then azul over Ysidro Meriam his descent his descendants, sorry, his descending, okay, coming down physically what that means will mean if you can talk that as well because it's not
when they come they can under Sue law. Yeah, so Mozilla doesn't mean return. You have to be clear Yeah. In this case, NASA in this case means that he will physically come down and the Hadees tells us He will come down with two angels carrying him okay, miserables didn't come down with two angels.
Angels on your right and left you storm is no no no, no. This is very clear that he will be seen wearing yellowish gown water dripping from his hair. So okay, we have these reports. So you have to understand there's a reason why it makes the sun one by one. Okay, well, I'll be more beneficial. Wait, let me at least give the signs like I have listened to you patiently right. Okay. The reason why we completely reject Miss Zavala, mammoth Qadiani as a false prophet and as a liar is because is because of these things. Because of these reports of the prophets. Allah Salam is not that we are blind bigots, prejudiced molars mole visa sigma Jamaat calls us we are not done you I'm an academic.
Me too. I am not a Mullah. I never went to a madrasa. I'm not I'm not trained by a mother. I
I am an Academic I am a historian okay. So I am not one of those people I have studied very carefully. Okay. These are the reasons why we reject my studies have you read cover to cover? Have you read any cover to cover? I will never read that Okay, perfect. Now, let me let me explain why No, because I will explain why. I'll explain let me explain why. I will not read them. I will I retiro Calgary's book, absolutely not, I will not waste my precious time reading title Kadri by looking at him by looking at his actions and his claims. I've listened to his speeches. Likewise, I've seen statements of Meza and I've confirmed them from his books. What I need is if someone makes
an accusation, we're here in the dry stream. You quoted the Julia thing Wallah him in the mosque that was a false flag. I know probably from one of his dad was who left and was there a pony? No.
I will not use it. I will not use it to one thing I will not use it again. Just one thing, I will confirm it and if this is not from him, and if we cannot find
my I will not use it. I will not use it again. Be quick thing quickly for you. We are so mad that
this discussion, Nabil sysm, sent in Sahih al Bukhari, right to e 70. Marian, he was ready skin curly here and abroad chest. So my quick question when isa lesson comes from disguise, how will he look like okay, well, I'll answer. So when we look at Eastern Islam, and His Second Coming, which is clearly categorically explicitly foretold in the Hadith of the Prophet multiball report. He accept them. Oh, good. Okay. That's the problem. The problem is the ISA we see in the Hadith literature Isa, the son of Mary, who will be waiting for Easter the son of Mary, not Meza, the son of Chirag. Bibi okay, we're not waiting for Mirza the son of Chirag. Maybe he was no foretold. So you can't
come to us and say you guys are a bunch of hypocrites and mafex and the jaws for not accepting a true prophet prophet of a prophet of God must come with clear signs and credibility and truth. You agree? Okay. Now when we look at Mirza and when we look at the reports of the prophets of Salaam, what are we looking at? You have to let me finish here. This is an ISA coming down, physically lifting and lifting. Once
speaking for 10 minutes, I'm gonna stop now. Lifting Jizya Okay,
breaking the cross breaking the Cross does that means breaking Christianity? false beliefs in him so it's not
breaking the cross means two things. Okay. Dismantling Trinity because the Quran directly points to it. Okay, number one. Second is the notion of His death on the cross, which is a false attribution because the Quran denies that to Walmart got aloo masala boo. It's very clear. Okay. And some okay. Now, these guys like.
Yeah. Okay, so. So now, having said all of this, that's not the ESA we see in midazolam and Qadiani. Okay, Mirza Calama Qadiani is not a cerebral Meriam who the Prophet Muhammad Salah Salem is describing clearly not because a different person, because you guys have already conceded that he died. Isa the son of Mary died. So when we look at Bukhari and Muslim and all the other Hadith literature, when it comes to these reports about SRA Salam, they categorically state his name, they say now we have two options as Muslims either we accept those reports and we have no reason to reject them because they are authentic, okay, if we reject them, we reject everything in our team.
Because then everything else can be questioned by using the same standards. We cannot reject them we have no How can I put it? We have no reasons to reject them. Okay. So we accept them if we accept them and we accept it is Isa the son of Mary. You will who will come back not Mirza the son of Kira Bibi he's not coming back. Okay. So we are perfectly
justified to reject Mirza Ghulam mammoth Qadiani waitwait altered now my I've given he is he served as an American now let me all explain in my turn when we guess you know.
Look, when you talk to questions and we will come to you okay. Is are the Hadees reporting authentic? Authentic? Yes. Okay. Are they saying is very, he's coming back. He's coming back coming back Zune. Next. I want to explain I gave you so much time at NAMM by Okay, give me some FYI if I show you the port, if I show you the port, where it is clear
He stated that he will come back whether we accept or not. Okay. You accept that. Yes. So the Hadees say, Issa the son of Mary, yes. Okay, he will come back. Okay. Now, you claim also that he died? Yes. Is that the son of Mary died? Yes. Okay. If he died, how will he come back? Perfect. Now we're moving forward. Okay. You mentioned many points right. First thing you mentioned is that the ahaadeeth mentioned that his new Zulu is going to happen. This is what we see that if the Quran explicitly says he's dead and won't return, then you have to interpret those a D No, let me think we don't even catch up. I know you don't. But I'll explain our view on this. So you understand. Number
one, the same. A hottie Sukkot of Sahil Buhari, what's the wording Imam Buhari that Mullah uses? He says gay for until Zan Naza Lubna Maruyama fie calm why a mama comin come how will you be when the tsunami descends? And he is your Imam from you? Yes, number one amazing. Let me let me explain. Let me explain. Number two, I asked you how does e Salah sunblock in Sahil Buhari it says he was ready skin with Kirlian abroad chasis when he comes back how will you look like how to properly describe right reddish skin curly hair broad chest Okay, bring your laptop say here Buhari had this I will show you a different description. Okay. And he's Richard what don't you don't have to show me Brown
is skin okay with long hair okay, okay. And the Messiah bunny said when he says I'm Simon miraj What's the word for brown in the Arabic language?
the Adam Adam Yeah, good marriage is the word use Which Imam that we all accept that it's a smart or you transition say Gundam and brown no one so listen Listen, listen use use something that's against me not this
looks at listen.
John if you have studied Shemaiah Yeah.
Yeah, his color was not too wide and not too brown. Yeah, he is His cheeks were red. And wait wait
wait wait me don't listen. Very important. You can but this is a very important point. And not too white. Not not too dark. But there are reports that describe him as white Okay, now this report that describing his wife
this is coming still. What I said is you asked what's Brown at all you asked him about the First Nation armor for E Celeste LOM the next narration on the same page is now be system saw a dream of the most beautiful brown man and what does not be some say? He says Who is this man? He asks the son in the dream here. Let me explain with marriage all is true. I don't know what that if anyone know Arabic I can pull out the Arabic and you can read the Arabic okay, but the point is that no. Read pull out an Arabic dictionary and show me the word for brown in the Arabic language. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. This is gonna this is gonna go on forever. Okay, it's just not gonna stop is okay
you're you're you're
you're clutching at straws. Why?
Why did not be systematic. Who is this man? If he's met isa Lesnar many times in mirage in Israa. He knew how Isa lessem looks. Why is he asking who is this man? Why does he look completely? Why why is it let me finish?
Allah subhanaw taala asked questions. When in Surah Ma, is that the verse you quoted that Allah asks a silence around what did you tell people to worship you and your mother? Did Allah not know? He says no, no, no, no. Did Allah not know of course. So that's my response.
He says a new signal. Okay. Yeah. The Hadees uses the word
one second, just making sure it's this one.
Raju are the Mooka Asani ma Euro mean good marriage
and the reason to use the what's the meaning of automated jar all
the way through okay? You're again obeying the guy says don't don't get I don't want to get into this discussion. Tell me tell me if Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani is he started Salam is he said no money. So now
have to go my fault and I can
you know again I
just want to my to listen, I want to get to more important points my team is is is Isa
Salaam is Isa ignore Miriam. Mirza Willem, Misery Sulan Isla bunny st.
He's not the same Messiah who is
biomass a simple question from you Amedy brothers no he's not we don't believe in reincarnation. Really, really brilliant
to me now, I have a question I have a very relevant this will cut the debate. This is the debates point if you wait, wait because he's gonna make a point I'm gonna have to respond to it. So let me finish. Let me stick to the point. Okay. My question is,
is Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani isa Ibnu Maria money say NO MAN bunnies is not brilliant. So these are two different people Messiah has died. Yes. So when when when Rasulullah says when rasool Allah Azza wa sallam says Lisa Ibnu Meriam not another person, Isa igloo Maria min Bani Israel he never sent me money so you're adding words you're adding words to this which is not Jason and Leah these four answers if somebody's
single like this Quran the Quran says single a D says the Messiah to come will be the one company St. Vincent said Imam income. These are the words you have to use number numbered. Wait, wait, let me finish my question. Let me finish my money save me.
Yeah, you have the sky. Please. Don't
throw in the llama Sabreen okay. Now my question is, it is now clear that he has made it beautifully clear for us that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani born in 1839 or 1814 85. Okay.
Okay. Okay. No problem. Okay. Mirza Ghulam, Mohammed Qadiani. Born in the 19th century, okay. He was not isa No, Maria.
No, of course, I didn't know I got confused by you talking. Okay. I got actually got confused, you know, so I had to clear clear I have to clarify this. So clearly.
This literature specifically talks of a man called isa Ibnu Meriam. Now, why even memoriam? Amazingly, the prophet could have said Isa, the prophet could have said Isa, but he gives us the biological reference
from from his mother, a blue Miriam. Lisa avranno. Maria. He said a son of Mary, born of Mary, okay, not another person born of Mary, we'll come back and
we'll come back. Okay, because the hadith is very clear brothers. The hadith is very clear. And not one Hadith. I wish I had a list of those reports. And if I read them one by one, you would be completely blown away. The amount of the sheer number of Hadith we have on this mentioning him isa enumerative. And in some cases, just the bro Maria Maria in some cases, Isa is not important. They're amazingly able to marry me.
Let me let me finish it.
You have to be patient. Okay, let me finish Ebru Maria is going to come back and he will do sand Jizya he will break the cross. He will. He will end Christianity is Ciborium we made it very clear. A Boomerang, not another person. He will come and finish Christianity. Okay, because it's false. It's a false religion. Okay, now third point, he will kill McKinsey's Okay, Mirza hula hula Qadiani has come we still have bacon and kunzea everywhere sold. Sold in every single
single restaurant in Canada. Maybe? Yeah, yeah. Okay. Wait, wait, wait. Mirza has come. Christianity has never been stronger in Africa and in other places. Okay. It's still spreading. Although it's declining in the West. No doubt is falling in the West. But it is spreading still in Latin America. And in Africa. We deal with it every day. We know. Okay, so Mila Saab didn't do nothing, okay. It can't be that same person. If the hadith is real, and if it's authentic, it cannot be the same for now. Wait, wait. Jizya when I'm finishing right now. Jizya. Okay. The GCU option is still around. Even Missoula Qadiani did not claim to have become a a K live in the temporal sense so that he has
the power to remove Jizya even your qlf right now Mirza Masroor doesn't have the power he is he is paying Jizya his paint is Yeah. Okay. Well, let me explain who is paying this guy. He's paying this year to the British government. You know, I'm not you don't pay tax so I do but I'm not the one who's claiming to be an amateur.
I never claimed that. I'm gonna come
in now. So so it's the US it will stop in the Renae Can I see. You said so many things that Nami give me a chance. So all of my points these weren't standard, liberal Meriam and all these things. Now, another thing
Governor mentioned but you're not allowing killing us. So number one the first point is number one from the very beginning if you open kita Badu Watari of Guyana democracy I don't even know that it's a historical book so I thought you would know about it's really famous he mentions that New Zealand messy has
me finish let me just finish I didn't cut you off No, no it's not it's not read let me Can I finish? Yes, can I can I finish reddish brownish now now because the commando
finish let me finish the purpose I mentioned the book is to show you that he says from the very beginning there's three views some Muslim CLB the same Esau returns some Sylvia who Rudra Jun who is like II sadly my number one Don't cut me off as I explained already 40 Let me finish drawing things that we don't even we've never heard before
Yeah, don't quote it let me finish let me finish what you're trying to say if you want to make a point Yeah. I'm explaining it to Buhari next I'm explaining it people show me an Islamic sword. Yes.
That says that it might be another man like isa no hear me show me any Hadith or worse on the Quran never is not you guys need to think about it. Number one Adnan that alone was Nabi SallAllahu. alayhi salam Ibni a big capture.
No, is he called this and say he'll Buhari his enemies called him that was the way it was he called it I'll answer can answer.
What your enemies called you is not what you use for your own name right? It is Mohammed Rasulullah who called isa isa in memory. Okay. Yeah, no, yeah. So if I use a derogatory why was he called a Nabi CAPTCHA? Do you know what a mammal could be in the mom say the sea because it needs to be CAPTCHA was known as a person who used to spread to heat so now be system resembled him this is normal in the Arabic language let me so why is that? Why does that correspond?
If you let me finish You'll understand everything. This is why we explain that in the Arabic language like I could see the eye to a sudden I saw us I saw Tiger and it could be a strong our
responses to my question I understand you understand. I could see a strong person come and I can say I saw online. The point is the Quran is a more calm that is a lesson has died in what
we have already addressed. You went back to ease Mmm. So I'm telling you why we interpret it. Just like you interpret the broken
ground. We have grounds. This is why we finish. Right. I listened okay for the conference. You interpreted yuck. Seriously, metaphorically? We you just did. No. You said it means so break the ideology of No, no, no, no, no, no.
Expanding, which I believe that before the end of time, Islam would enter every outcome either by force or with honor or dishonor. Okay, honors, except so that so?
The hadith of Yuxi the Salim you took it metaphorically? No, you did you said it means ending the ideology of Christianity will easily symbolically come
up debate in the US with a Christian scholar, okay. On salvation by the cross. Okay. And they put me on a podium. They put me on a podium, okay. The podium looked like a cross. And I had no idea I watched it later on the video. I'm standing on a cross while I'm breaking across the entire debate, dismantle ignore it's not matter. I was physically standing on the cross no and dismantling the idea. It's a matter of
you know what you mentioned it Nihar jealous Kalani that Mullah that he wrote the best Shut up say here. How do we know finish? How do we know it's not going to be critical that Islam will come and break across and then actually go and do the job and he finished?
He's let me finish it's my turn. No, there's no beat me.
Let me finish not metaphorical. I'm explaining why I met the Hadith says Jack zero. As silly as surly. Ussery the cross dog cross, okay, this is not a cross right? Breaking the cross means whatever the cross means to Christians, right? It's not okay. To metaphorical you know what I just said you know what your
ideal body is the best shot of say Al Bukhari. Let me tell you what ebony Hodges says and what is Teacher Imam Badu Dina? Amy says that mom Allah evening 100 In a stiff sea of Yuxi to sleep he says a nice Italian dinner NESARA in what did I say? That's all
Listening so it's metaphorical and his teacher, teachers. Listen brother one second Imam Medina Amy says footie Holly. It is open to me.
This means Yuxi to sleep is not the house find the cause and break it Bowser
great metaphor. No, it's not metaphor. So let me explain. Let me I'll tell you why. No, no, it's a semantic semantic issue. But I believe that it's not physically gray No no, I do believe it is not metaphorical I'll tell you why. Because when the Prophet use the term asleep, it means the idea I
mean, he'll go around the world killing pigs. No, it says Yocto will he know what that means? That means killing pigs it says yeah, that means killing. So which when he go around the world killing pigs? No, he will. He will have a way to do it. But we'll make sure I'm answering your question.
You know, you know those birds that will come Yeah. How will you kill them? Will it fly in the sky? Which which birds or is there is a Hadees that they will be they will be bird as
well kill them know how they will come at the time of ESA digits. He will kill the birds brother.
He will make gah Yeah, the Israeli Salam will make dua and they will all Wait, wait, wait, wait, yuck towards us what? However, he doesn't matter. However, it's not. It's not That's not who means.
We can disagree on this metaphoric word. We can disagree on details. The point is, this is Isa Abraham Merriam, whatever, whoever, however he will do it in, let's say, let's say he will, let's say he will climb the cross, and He will start chopping the cross up. Or maybe it's maybe it's a metaphorical cross. Maybe it's the idea. Maybe he will grab one pig and chop him to drop the where or maybe maybe he will go and lift the GCR by a mom when he has a narration that you sell SM saw pig and he let it go in peace. And then he said I do not want to harm it less my tongue be accustomed to evil. That was the seed of ESA lesson using he will come your to Hindi you can't say it's not
majority unless you accept he will physically go with a knife and he will be a hunter. He will kill hundreds or 1000s.
Israel and other countries as Christians no problem. The word What were you getting? What you're getting into what you are getting into meaning is what you are in it gets good onset.
We mentioned that sign I didn't mention it now. Maybe you've got the pigs and I didn't mention them. Let me deal with the pigs. Let me deal with the pigs now. Okay, wait, wait.
Let me let me come back to the main issue. First of all, first of all, Alama, you know, 20 minutes or even an hour after I'm ready to move if you want me to No, no, no, no. By the way, these guys are my guests. So we have to be very respectful. I invited them in. So please, we have I mean, and I know that discussions, these the nature of these discussions, the nature of Ahmadi Muslim dialogue. Okay. It's intense. Unfortunately, it has to get charged. Okay. Yeah.
It's Punjabi, by the way, like you go by Indian brothers. So I was assuming.
Okay. Okay. Now, now coming back to my main point. The hadith is clear on two issues, that it will be Isa, the son of Mary. That's the point. How he does when he died. Okay. Allah hasn't told us whether he will have machine guns or nuclear weapons or rockets that he will fire at people or we don't know these things. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. We don't I don't care. I don't care. That's not important to me. How he will break the cross. I don't care about that. But I don't wait since he's waited. We don't know. Wait. Now let me let me explain. Let me explain. I don't care about that. I have no, I have no concern. That's not my job. That's not my job. He will come and do
we have no doubt that he will come into it because it since he had this the Prophet Muhammad Rasul Allah said this, okay. Now how he does this, he will definitely dismantle whatever the cross means. Okay. I have no doubt about that. He will kill the pig, the swine, how he does it, whether he commits the mass murder a genocide of all the pigs in the world or not? I don't care. Yeah, we're not Yeah, we're not doing Deville I don't care about that. Okay, fine. And second, the third thing, and Jizya how he will lift Jizya what mechanisms what methods will use to lift Jizya? It's not my concern. He might have a modern army at his disposal. He might have very top of the range maybe we
of Turkish and
Pakistani and Egyptian army you know some of those Soldiers and generals might join it Wait wait wait women when they kill women as well we do accept Islam which
is a good question I'll come to that this Quran says like raw data
this is why you need to you need to pay more attention on the MOT
don't put too much
okay guys please don't distract me because I'm trying to quit so these two questions as when they kill wayward children I'm not finished with my point. So I don't care. The point here is my brother's my beloved Ahmadi brothers in humanity. I have to say that because that's that has to be very clear. Okay. We're not brothers in Islam. We are your Islam is different to our Islam. Really? Yes.
So we're not brothers in Islam, but I have compassion. I have I have compassion I have I have compassion. I have mercy for you guys. You too. This is why we're having this conversation. Otherwise I would I need to go and sleep
tomorrow. Respectful as well. Yeah, no, seriously, I read this is me. I'm not pretending. This is how I am I
suspect from the data as well. So that probably
maybe, maybe, but but coming back, but the real crux of the matter is, it is Lisa, the son of Mary my brothers try to understand our problem with Mirza is not that we just you know, why wouldn't? Would you? If there was room for another prophet? If there was room for another prophet? would we not want one? Absolutely. I would love I would pray to Allah Ya Allah send another prop into prayer weekend. Wait, wait, wait, wait, send another prophet that we can be with them. But there is no room for another prophet sent Isa. No. Isa is not a prophet. I would love to meet him. He's not coming in. Prophetic capacity is coming. He is coming as well.
Coming as a follower of Mohammed because this this is wrong. No because these are these are Omar he will be released. Omar Omar was reading from the Bible became excited to the Prophet. The Prophet became angry that oh Omar if Musa was to come today, he would have no choice but to follow me he would be another No, no, no. This is not gonna
honor the WHO says neem is dead. You can open the syrup Nicosia. He says neem is there as well. Anyhow, look. Okay, while you clarify the point. Now can you send us some according I have normally comments and I'm not finished. I'm not finished. My point is all these
points. The point is your your your
says your metadata. You delivered a very passionate speech and he got many views on it. Yeah, all the Ahmed is listening to him got excited inside. The ESA goes into cargo. Mid hoodie.
Esa goes into Gardo A B makes opens in Dakar. Shikara I'm trying to wait for the budget. Member Taranaki strand I'm trying to tell you how ESA is alive. How is the profit the profit of course sleeping is alive in Bollywood mean on Quran. The Quran. Quran tells us there is a direct reference in the Quran. To His Second Coming Don't cut me on this year. When I say Surah missa verse 159 is talking about isa Ali Salaam and his second coming. I'm not just making this up brothers. I'm not this is not my desire speaking we have substance we have shown you that Abu Huraira quotes, this verse When the Prophet talks about is coming and doing these three things. Jizya cross and pigs.
Okay, wait, wait, wait Brother, brother. Love you don't you don't cut me how much time do you need? I'm finishing I'm finishing when I start to make this place
okay, now picking
I yeah, I had this already. I had presented this argument to Noonan in the park. That you guys don't challenge us on this because we have very solid grounds. Why? Because when we put the Quran and Hadees together, okay, we get a picture. We get a picture, the picture we get that there is a man called Ysidro Meriam who there was an attempt on his life. Allah saved him. He was not crucified. He was not killed. Okay, he was raised high above and he was put to sleep now why we believe that we have a call. We have the facilities to support that. Now that belief, though it's not just a belief that was concocted by our within later on or Imams, it comes to belief the idea that a cell is Salam
was put to sleep came from the Sahaba
let me this
a single Hadith was just second come in all the reports about second coming of a Salah Salam point to this phenomenon that he will come in His bodily form. He Himself will physically come, every single Hadith, every single Hadith about His Second Coming, which is a sign of the hour. That's one of the major signs of the Day of Judgment. It states that he will come and he will have supporters, he will have followers, he will come so he Muslim so he Muslim tells us He will come on the white minaret, he will he says he'll be unhappy when he comes here saying he won't be unhappy no Sima de sequences for and you said already. I already answered that question that unabIe unabIe forever an
OB But not in his prophetic capacity is coming as a follower How do we know that how do we know that he descends and he puts the Imam forward. He is if he's coming as a Nabi he It is haram to lead unless he himself permits it does not say he'll go ha Nabi system read behind I think because he permitted him or you did not hear me system Kim Lee because
now you're contradicting yourself. He stepped back. He stepped back and he pushed him forward. Yeah, so that's
the system already joins him. Let him present the Hadees We're in no problem let him is another Lubna Maria Murphy call my mom. None. Okay. Your claim here is that
your interpretation of the hadith is as if the Hadith says a wahoo or Imam Commencal however the hadith is not say that it does.
Say he Muslim says Sahih Muslim says gay Funtom is another Labneh Maruyama for amalgam for Amma. Amma Commencal so you look at them together it shows they will be Issa who leads and this is what many of the tar being believed brother gay Funtom is another Lubna Maria myFICO what a mama come in come look at it from Sahih Muslim Ummah. Commencal He will lead you finish now, the principle you mentioned about yourself.
Do not accept anything.
I didn't say that. Even because they don't accept
accept anything. Yeah, you were recording that to
when you were eating?
I didn't see I didn't see that. Everything against behind. I didn't think you don't accept anything other than body. We accept Saharsa we accept
accept anything. That's what you have to say. You just said before that I said we only accept the funding.
Rather you said
Please allow me then the break will be confused.
Is that if it contradicts the British Buhari to give preference to the nation of
Buhari okay above arena.
Okay for anthem a diagnosis of pneumonia myFICO what Imam company? Okay. If you are upon your principals saying that Behati nursing gives precedence you can't win tables to them anymore. Because the wording of Buhari does not have more humor. And the shadow of the Hadith focuses exactly what the report says if you had the Hadith you're gonna get her some now. Be nice at the money sensitive aphorism. And why Akula Tabby an asymmetrical one. So which shirt is this? This is the one I know which one
it's for the body. And then there is an online resource
where we're gonna give you the what if I show you a demo had the theme who said that? What imamo Commencal means Issa will be their mom then we're number one. Let me finish let me finish. Let me finish Brother Let me let me finish. Let me finish number two. We don't believe this contradicts the second was the narration brother, we believe let me finish let me finish what a mom will come in come the wall is used and no second we are missing the whole point in all of this. It was what is the what is my point? What is my point? What is my point? My point my point you are all missing? And we keep dancing around the main point.
Yeah, my point.
My point is this is Isa iblue Meriam. And he has already conceded that Mirza Ghulam Muhammad Qadiani and Ysabel Meriam are two distinct personalities and they have two different DNA, biological, biological biologically there are two different people. Now if that's the case, all the Hadith Bukhari Muslim and otherwise even say as you know, Mr. Muhammad and all the major sources
So he had these antibodies, all of them about alcoholism and they mentioned one man, that is Isa Ibnu Maria. My question is, if Mirza Ghulam Muhammad Qadiani is not a cerebral Meriam which was he has conceded abundantly then looking at these Hadith of the Prophet sallallahu Sallam a plethora of them multiple reports how can we now imagine that this is actually not a cerebral Meriam This is Mirza Ghulam now how do you how can you expect how can you expect the Muslim to follow that? Let me answer now my church I listened to I want to
have you also in this person have you heard this best signal? They might give
justice. Okay, so tell us how the Prophet is saying ISA and you're claiming the zap me explain Yeah, the first thing is that number you have to understand that all of your Alama every single one of them agree I was reading a Java SE here today I have the Arabic on my phone even a teammate rahamallah Domitilla Kidambi said they've all accepted that the name Muhammad system and don't send changing topics I'm still dropping Let me
answer that if you allow me to fish steak I listen to you they explain that it's not a requirement of the nobbies name to be prophesied Finn own did not hear any policy a man will come whose name is Musa Ibrahim A lesson was not prophesied by me but let me
finish let me finish when the name is coming up Easter lesson prophesied your solar systems coming it's in Surah sub What name did he say? A bow Nabil says salam was that is named by Barry Yes it was his mother gave him that name. His mother's mother gave him that name Muhammad his mother's
day come on guys. Come on guys. Mother give him his mother and his mother gave him that name basis and said I have five names
I'm seeing the Quran calls him Muhammad Yes No it was his
the Queen Ron calls him
firstly you're going against all your Allah ma because even even a guy him let me read
the Quran talking about
it. Let me explain now the point is prophecies always have an element of grabbing done. Okay, Prophet not let me finish.
Can I please finish? I didn't cut him off.
You'll give me my point is right. Unless it's in the Quran in chapter seven verse 157. I can't Alladhina yet abuna Rasul Allah
to burn in the homepage.
G do not who is more dari il Akira. It's cold today you'll find Nabhi systems name in the Bible. Yes. Which was my good question which my book is
I'm telling you. Okay, okay. I have authored a book, titled Abraham fulfill. Yeah, the book is going to be published in the next two or three months by Sapiens Institute. The whole book will give you the exam. We are broken down. The exact word Akhmad is there. I
didn't disagree. I said. No, you're not agreeing. You're not even Mohammed is there?
Even Mohammed is there Solomon, don't worry about it. Why not? Why Shana? Are you familiar? Yes. Let me wait until you read the book.
Yes, Mohammed. I'm saying I'm claiming two things. Yeah. I'm saying Mohammed is there Mohammed? Is there an Ahmed is they're referring to the same person. And this, this has been dealt with in detail in that very book in the book comes out. I will send you a free copy. Read it. Number one. First thing is that you yourself have said and if I'm wrong, correct me. You said song. The Solomon 316 is not clear. Have you said this? I have. Okay, good. Okay, good point. Let me finish. And I concede that I said it, but I changed my mind. Because when I didn't know when I did more research, I found evidence that I was not aware. And the evidence is now in the book. Okay. Number one, okay. I used
to think that Muhammad him is a weak argument. It was used by Sheikh Ahmed Deedat. It was used by
Yeah, I used to think that would you see with me when I debate Yeah, I have a method of doing it. Just as I started with you guys. I said I concede that Hatha Yoga is not established. I can see the salah Salam, you know, died for the sake of the argument. Okay. Even though I believe these things are covered. Okay. Why did I do that too?
Save time to cut to the chase with Christians I don't use this because it lengthens the debate it's not it less than I go straight to the icon straight for the kill. Okay, so one thing is I want to mention too is Edna Tamia rahamallah AppNeta Umrah Mala de addressed this point if Nick Iam wrote a whole page on this that we do not find the name net has it Mohammed the name Mohammed let me finish we do not find it in the Bible we find the signs of Nabi says a number of 700 years ago we have things now that they could never imagine.
Yeah okay there were 700 you have you read a job of Solomon but there are the reading your reading and Hodeida era I read that yeah, so they read it all you guys
all of it. Yeah, and all
not all Java SE. Java is long. Okay. It's for what you can just see you know, in okay, I don't want to go you just said right now. You said something really dangerous. You said anyone who believes SLS and died has committed disbelief. I believe so because
I believe the salah because of the Quran Soleimani hasn't believed the Celestion guide. Okay, we will see we will not burn the fire
on him. Okay. And
after, you know, you know, okay, now you want to open a chapter on a tuxedo but you said it's good.
How do we how do we how do we make the query you didn't have a car for No, because you said he's agreed.
Do you believe this fatwa or not this fatwa of ebony Hassan the fatwa he gave Do you agree with it or not? That anyone who denies a verse of the Quran? Yeah, is a cough the hood just presented
like the lamb Mm, well, the hotel wasn't established by your husband misquoting the same
when it comes to when it comes to you when it comes to when it comes to Alama when it comes to statements that have been made by scholars we we actually thoroughly examine them okay, that's fine. We want generally generally anyone who
Yeah, okay, so let me just finish
not to the point
the point where by the way, is it is it is it true that his mother was called CT
this or know about
it is it true that she was called CT I mean,
I haven't read this I can open up my Have you ever heard this before? I've heard it from opponents Yes, I do read it in our own book.
But he but his wife was called pajama by I hadn't heard this No no, this is by Mirza Bashir
called a called his stepmother project Uma. I had you read this? Okay. I read it you
but let me finish the SitePoint
because cutting me off the way the way the ladies of the house
is not like a nominee. You mentioned that let me ask you something. Do you believe Nabil CISM once saw a woman and he are Jabba two he saw him murder he had murdered my
man I travel around the world
we're human beings. Yeah. Okay. Anyhow, just to put that aside because you mentioned out to dinner let me finish we believe how is this all relevant to
Okay, that's why I asked you what she called was has it my Yemen escena outta Haroon
Good question. Can I respond? Was pride from Hadith, okay, this isn't the tipsy? Yes. What did he say? He said? He said, Yeah, he said,
he said, he said, How does it change anything?
Physically, but what does it change? I
He went to the people on neuron, the and they said that this is a mistake in the Quran. Yeah, that your Quran is calling Mary, the sister of her own while they lived centuries apart. So this is a mistake. Molera Matoba. couldn't know didn't know how to answer that question. He came to the Prophet, the Prophet of Islam gave a simple answer. Okay, that answer is that this is a reference of honor. Any person. Yeah. Okay. Now let me let me say roughly, please, please, please. No, no, no, no problem. This is this is confer. Amazingly, this confirms the truth of Rasulullah. How do we do that? We go to the New Testament. We go to the New Testament, okay. In the New Testament, Hannah.
Hannah is called one of the daughters of David
What is up David? Oh Aaron. She's called the daughter of David or Aaron one of these two. Okay, so this is a reference of
superiority in character in spiritual excellence. Okay now now how is this relevant to Ysidro Marine? I'll explain why. I'll explain why. Because isa ignore Meriam is a biological reference. It's a biological reference is not No no no no it's not. No Abby, gosh Ah ha ha ha ha hood. Allah Allah use the
word by logic word, the word Pure Word icon and often is using the Quran for other than violence. But even show me one reference in the Quran where Abel is used for other than biological evolution been witnessed
by John or by John
to give me a reference of a human being right now from the body yeah, no no no. First Quran.
In the Quran, we have reference of Archon and Octone for other than biological relationships, yes, we all agree of the Harun and aka who would
have been okay for biological
Look as well this is my question now is my question now is okay, you need to show me some kind of a person Yeah, about a person a specific person. And there's a title use for him even even other than his biological father now. Call me up I'll be quick because we have 20 mins you got mine.
Okay, but you can cut me off because this is deep. Okay, number one I gave you a bunny a big cup shot that's the first thing number two that was used by let me let me I don't accept it. Okay, you don't
let what is your evidence were more or less celebrated?
No, it's okay. When you ignore me capture that's a derogatory word derogatory issue is calling to
any of his followers use it die Do we ever you know become sharper
Nica become sharp. Okay, now let me I am I'm going to this by the way I want everyone to know this. Still about Yes, yes. We're still going around the world. I'm giving the example of evening Maria now.
You guys have to know no Meriam will never we miss our committee and vice versa from Buhari and if that's the case, you have to reject reject all
a bundle of Iran now I'm giving you Quran
he's wrong. These are different differences. If I'm giving you Quran now I'm giving you Quran okay.
There's a authentic hadith sahih al Bukhari Okay. Authentic? Hadees no baby was touched by Satan. Except Edna Marian and her mother you know this or this? Right? Okay. Was the Sula Sallalahu. Lesson touched by Satan at birth. The Hadith? Okay, perfect Imams the mercy that Mala in the
Buhari? Bring it out. Okay. It says here Buhari no baby was born except he was touched by Satan except Miriam and her son. Okay, how did the Imams the marshy explained he puts this hadith and he says we can never accept this because Allah says in the Quran about the Ibadah salehoo that the Satan has no power over them this is an Surah let me show you May Allah help me finish let me finish let me finish Why are you cutting me off? Why are you cutting me off
Why are you putting me off let me finish at Nami this is this is why
we're gonna die says no baby was born except touched by safety now is that relevant to my let me finish I'll explain everything that's why I asked you to miss without cutting labrum Ibni Mariam and your son except the new one was good the satanic touches I'm actually because the Motorcity by the way okay let me explain Daniel on this don't use but the
first thing I said Is Buhari says no baby was touched by Satan X no baby was touched every baby was touched by
the same Sahil Buhari Nabi system says that when you have relations if you read that dua see thing will not touch you okay mom's a machete knew the Arabic language he put this hadith of Edna Marian wob na and he said if we will do X
Tap this this it means everyone like a blame Maria man, her mother or even the daddies don't have to accept the motion you don't have to give him
I just told him Imam nawawi now you see he was actually I hope you will see he was not imamo he repented on his death so don't don't don't watch him
gymnastics. I want everyone to know what he thought of these gymnastics. Let me finish let me finish you know Listen brother. I feel happy. I want everyone to know. Excellent
well, I can bet
he should compete next to Olympics.
Gymnastics. Imam Imam Luisa Helen had this right.
let me finish at one
My screams I was in Medina on the stream I made I got this problem. I got this problem over one. I said my dad, my grandfather, my great grandfather, or anyone from the Ummah if they say something and it doesn't mean
nothing to me okay it's nothing to man let me mention what a man
is it's our as soon as well we had the same was so let me listen. Listen listen. Let me mention that.
Every second right. In mom novel week, he says regarding this hadith all of Gambia are included. The hadith says only evening Murray Minar muddy he says cool Ambia you
please let us assume he said it in his time are used by the Arabs as a title as a Maulana Rumi no Imams that oh my god everyone did it.
Rumi are we gonna go
there all wrong. What are we going to go to?
Or Sadhguru Quran Quran
just let him finish. I want to be on set because Quran says that in return you have Rosie, I you guys. I hope everyone I hope you guys gonna put this up. Wow.
I want I want
all of this. All of this is for one reason. All of this is for one reason. Okay? This these Gymnastics.
or yogic mints. Oh, my God.
You know, allow my Balko Leo Allama Iqbal says the same
speech you quoted him in his speech.
You were quoting him in your speech I even caught roaming sometimes.
That doesn't mean I agree with everything. I'm not saying I'm not saying they're huge I'm just saying they accepted
me last point last point I'm quoting them to show you guys that the Arabs the Parkinson's Everyone agreed that evening medium was used as never that's my point.
In the same
era, and commenting on the Hadith, he says we do have
what in me or we can
use reference to the
title is biological. Yes. No adoptee is touched by seat in the novel Billa yes, no
wait, wait, wait
wait, wait, no, no, I haven't
done that. I have a
A prophet being touched by shaitan doesn't mean the shaytaan has affected the Prophet
Adam Alayhis Salam was completely you know deceived by the Shavon let alone touch he made him and his wife eat from a tree okay so so so yeah, went inside his body and gets it
went into I have responded I've responded to your point was no it's not a problem. Are you guys guys guys we have again, I want to bring him back from gymnastics. Okay, mean let's come back to let's come back to the base. Let's guys hello. Hello, who is quoting these
requests from everyone and
not using them as
my my question why am I look, I have little, some little experience and having these conversations. From the very start. I made it very clear that I don't want to do these gymnastics. I'm very tired. Okay, but Rosie insists that you have to be a gymnast with me because because I am a gymnastics
Oh, absolutely I agree. Okay, now the point is all of these gymnastics Rosie's doing okay hopping from Rumi,
Imam and NaVi and then we're gonna go to sub guru and then we're gonna go to
Imam know why why do you know this is why you guys have to understand you have to have a standard when you quote our authorities and sources, okay? That's why we have a very set standard. We have very set sources that we believe in Quran again an authentic, authentic Hadees no you don't you don't you don't Don't say that. Don't say that. Because you don't believe in authentic leads if you do if you do one second one second. If you if you do if you do you tell me that it's me then why ignore Meriam? Why ibru Meriam is mentioned in tons of reports tons.
No, no, no, no, no, it is a biological reference destroy everything you have used so far. Muqaam. Let me finish they see everything you have used so far. Is is not applicable. Guys. Once again, everything you use. So this so far, Allahu Akbar. Think about it nearly two hours. Rosie is still struggling to show us how a blue Miriam is miserable. I'm having conceded having conceded already. These are two different personalities. Because you know why? Because why they're stuck on this news that they have killed the salad salon.
No, no, the
has been killed is or Islam has been killed in the die. Don't be killed. Because unless is one market that No, no, no, I'm not. I'm not saying you
need to know I'm saying he killed him. He didn't die. When Quran says once I get the Quran says in Surah, four 159. Clearly and we have we have we have we have bases we have basically we have already presented our evidence. Okay. You can say we don't like it. We don't accept it. We don't accept this open you can say that. We have seen we have foundations, we have foundations that we have. There all we have and many more, by the way, many more
debris, you will see once again, we have presented our evidence as to why the Quran categorically states that he has not died because before he's getting SSI Wait, wait before his death. See what is that all the Christians and Jews will believe in him? This is again, how did the Sahaba understand this? They could only make sense of this verse in light of the Hadith of the Prophet. about the second coming about the second coming up.
Because this is when abou Herrera mentioned this higher and about what about liftings of GCL Nia about about killing of swine about breaking of the cross. And this is ibru Meriam. So this
Yeah, exactly. Thank you. You mentioned you mentioned that that's metaphorical. A number you just mentioned one second, you just mentioned
past it becomes it becomes singular. So there is those who claim that it's one person who
he met before we met this is normally no no, no, he's messaged me asking a different question. But now May I have a question on this versus none of them means no one and now you keep seeing all of the people of the book but you changed the view. You said only those at the time of Missoula? No, no, no, not at all, because Jews are dying as we speak and may Allah I will respond to your point this entire believe this because of the Sahaba because
Sahabi number you keep saying some
belong and other samples a
if I bring if I bring if I bring an authentic report from Abraham, I wait wait has to bear my question. Yeah, but if I my question, if I if I bring an authentic report from Abu Abbas, where he said that isa la Salaam is alive in the heavens and will descend near the end time if I if I bring it if I bring it. Then will you make Toba?
Brother Brother, brother, brother Brother if I said if his altar. Wait, I will let me finish my question. Let me finish my request.
Let me finish my point was Pete let me finish my question. So if I bring a report you keep saying of the Lavina Boss, I'm saying if because one the one you presented from Bukhari, the call of Abu Abbas is contested. It's
where anybody but you can see this disputed things does not have. Car is not disputed. Some people some people dispute it. Some people know what he's rejecting of. Yes, he's saying
because big blue and kicking a beer boss is because those Iijima brother this
extra debates we're gonna finish
this MA on with our fika movie because you said some Sabbath
my question my question. Yeah, my question. Yeah, you keep saying golden Sahaba Lisa, you keep saying it and then you bring up the ambassador now
the hell is going on that meets you all the Sahaba
to meet me Why have been give me 30 seconds your last? No, no wait.
Let me finish my question. Okay, but let me finish my trap. Remind me. Okay. Remind me the question is, if I bring an utter from Abdullah bin Abbas, which is say, and it states that a Salah Salam is alive, and we'll come back here. If it's a Sir Hey, okay. Will you make Toba? For amateurism? No, because I live near beaten Hodges the goose that not only did you not hear my question, I don't get into change that don't change it. Wait.
Rainy if I bring a report from Abdullah bin hablas, which is authentic narrated from him, where he says a Salah Salaam is alive and we'll come back. Will you make Toba from muddy ism in fact contradicts the FIE community that that's the most strong so we won't accept that because you won't even accept of the Lavina boss we never never be I'm saying hey, you're not listening to my question contradicts.
X accept anything apart from near beetle.
Beetle has some
wonderful ally ape near beetle. What's the most attentive cheep cheep?
Pardon which BBs Sahil Buhari kita DC now let me answer your question No, no no no no.
five minutes left Give
me two minutes to take three give me one minute you can see we have
Okay last point from last please just do 10 seconds. Okay, brother brother. We will need
30 seconds 30 seconds color phone was Sahabi Lagos Abuja this team of inimitable ficando Mitaka is a demand sub another single sabe oppose that meaning? That's why we accept the Ignat teeny since sahabas. Edge Ma is
didn't give a deeply meaningful remit to anyone caught his mind. Yeah, but there's a Hadees
mom Khilafah Babu Buchan is the first month Todd Binu bada rejected its storage ma this was an executive.
Okay, okay, guys, the bottom line is
I'm gonna I'm gonna say my last 10 seconds. Okay.
Let's this four minutes left. So now that you get to listen, okay, so you want him to speak last time? Okay, you know, throw all speakers or speak No, no, no, let's not do that. Let's 30 seconds. 30 seconds. Okay, my 30 seconds start now. Okay. Firstly, I want to clarify that, you know, Isa Ibnu Meriam. By Ross's own admission is not Mirza Ghulam Muhammad Qadiani. Clearly, Hadith literature mentioned specifically with a biological reference that isa Ibnu Meriam will descend. But Mirza Ghulam Muhammad Qadiani said he died. And if he died, then those reports of the Prophet salallahu Salam are lies. No, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, don't don't cut me in the middle. Those reports are
lies. And if they're not lies, then ISA is coming back. Okay. And Mirza Ghulam Qadiani lied because he claimed that he died. So isa Ibnu Merriam you cannot escape from it, even though you try to jump from place to place from person to person from source to source to prove that Ysabel memoriam is a metaphorical reference or a reference of likeness. Absolutely no evidence for that. This is this is all battle. This is the job.
I'm finishing right now. Okay.
This is why in the beginning, I wanted to go on to save all this time, we would have discussed it we would if we had discussed Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani and his character because all of these gymnastics are for him. We would have shown you from his own writings that he not only contradicted himself through revelation, but also lied now black and white light he made statements
that cannot be found he attributed things to the prophets Allah Salam that cannot be found he attributed things to Muslim sources that cannot be found. Okay? And he made so many lights on top of that his character was highly questionable working for the colonial establishment. I wanted to discuss because these things are more important to us one one visit I'm talking two minutes firstly he mentioned that good on says the salah Sam is alive in her decent he says coming if you say something else you're going against grant this is complete for say poop from Sahil Buhari their own Buhari This isn't my print it say goodbye that ESA lesson has died according to not be system in
I give less I didn't cut you off. Right? Good on more come if Allama to a faith and he contenta Kiba Limon Qiyamah isa lesson has no idea of what his father is did after he died, the Wofford Nan Rashid Alhamdulillah accepted, it's either death or sleep in both cases, body remain on ground, no proof of hayati. So, Allah says in the Quran, while ma Muhammad Allah Rasool God colored mint Kubla hydroswing Muhammad CISM is nothing but a master or masters before my pathway. This was the first image mod does Sahaba he doesn't understand the meaning of color we can discuss that after from his own AMA. Allah after novices and passwords it's O'Meara de la han who came about he used to say navi
system will come back and kill the hypocrites, Abu Bakr give the best group of all time he said Amma Birdman Karna ja Buddha Muhammad for inner Muhammad Sallallahu semcad Mad woman Karna ja Buddha Allah for in Allah Hi EULA mode wa Muhammad Allah Rasool God collect mint Caballeros who use this ayah this was the first EJ mod the Saba all of the Sahaba in this instance, started reciting this person in the market so ESL SM has died according to Khurana de su the prophecies are clear that the one to come will be a mom coming from different skin complexion II says used as a title because Musa Messiah Nabi says Mustapha Messiah like a Celeste. Okay.
Thank you so much for your your your your views again. And it was my pleasure talking to you guys.
I want everyone
I want everyone to know that this is very possible. The comedy community out there has to know that we have nothing but compassion. We want to sit down and have these lengthy discussions. Okay, I you know, sometimes you might have seen hostility online, in our live streams, even myself being very harsh towards Rosie and Rosie calling me a monophonic and
listless? Yeah, you caught
me but let me let me let me tell every comedy and non comedy out there. Okay. Okay. Yeah, we we we are right now.
We are all
from Pakistan we Okay, we are all sitting. We are all in right now. See guys, please man, I'm trying to I'm trying to finish on a positive note. Okay. And it has been positive so far on camera. It was it was yes. Yeah, no, seriously, that's when, you know, I would love to meet you guys. Anytime again. Every time I'm in Canada, I would love to meet you guys and have long conversations. As long as they are respectful. And we are in a in a in an environment where we are not being pushed around and being bullied and being insulted. And that's that's what happened to me today though although things got a bit charged. But But again, I can guarantee you every single brother here you know they
have nothing but sympathy dissolve they have nothing and and and we want to reach out to the comedy community. We want to tell you since then, yes, that this guy, no matter how we come across online, okay, we have nothing but respect and compassion for each other. I actually give him a hug outside and I'm gonna give him a hug again. Okay, this is this this guy this guy and yeah, yeah, same thing for us. I know we got heated in a couple of minutes are just not our contention. Because it's not what Islam
teaches us to rise above repel evil, we'll do something better. We disagree with all of the things that you guys believe but we still respect you. Likewise, what Islam teaches likewise, even though some of us may be laughing joking around, it's fine. Yeah, that wasn't mocking you. Yeah, it's just that we find them very hilarious on some of the
killing of pigs the pre crisis
on the onset lesson coming in killing children, to end to end to end positively this is this is an adult at this Masjid. In Canada. We're sitting right now, in a Sunni I haven't released Masjid hamdulillah the brothers have opened the doors for us. Yeah.
All of you
These guys all of these guys are very peaceful. And we want to continue with this dialogue with Apogee community. Look, I'm sure the Ahmadiyya community wants the best for us. That's why you guys want to do our you want us to go to Jana, likewise, we want you to go to Jana. Okay. We think we think that we have the hack we have the truth likewise, of course likewise, I mean,
okay, so so we will continue in this spirit. Okay. We don't want to insult or we don't want to hate if you are no hatred. All viewership pray that Allah unites us upon the truth. The truth, I mean, upon the truth. Yes, he's right. Yes. Absolutely. Upon the truth. Yes.
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one second, I didn't finish my
three if I can just put this
the three of you. Thank you for coming. And we do want to apologize if we came up with
something wrong. We apologize
to a lot more harshness than nonveg he's been he's in Vegas. Yeah.
All of us here all of us. We want to we want to apologize. Let me let me tell you something our community is not used to to having dialogue with the Ahmadiyya Community. No, they have never done it before. Most people we don't mix the problem is the Ahmadiyya community doesn't mix with the the Sunni Muslims.
I've been to many mosques.
You guys even love you were in pre bi
said Dolby behind the abundance.
Kobe. Kobe. Don't believe we are behind. Hello. They don't believe we are Muslim. We don't believe they're Muslim.
You see, don't open that.
You rejected the imam who Allah chose so why should we pray beyond an imam who rejected the Imam chosen by Allah? We believe in unbuttoned Muslim, we believe when
it's done, it's done. It's time
to end the discussion like that I get to end the discussion and we can talk outside if you can stop the recording because I'm gonna