I Love Jesus Because Im Muslim Speaker
Channel: Yusuf Chambers
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Don't you see?
effectively, we are two groups of people who recognize Jesus as a very significant figure in historically,
many other way. So, this makes us have, straightaway, reasons to talk, reasons to meet and reasons to do work together. And of course, if you look out there in society today, you will see the set with very much this globalization agenda
over materialism, you know,
the soul is secondary, you know, the material comes first, what you can earn is more important than what you can learn.
And effectively, we as people who believe in Gods who believe in the messengers should come together on that shared platform, as the Quran mentions,
oh, you believe come to come to, you know, common term,
common terms between us and them, meaning the Jews, the Christian and Muslim comes a common term.
And the first thing that we look at is, of course, the,
the issue of
the issue that God is completely unique, that he has no comparison, he has no partners.
And if you look at it, and you look at
the gospel of Jesus peace be upon him on what he says in many of
the Gospels, for example, in Mark,
he refers to the first commandments as being explicitly the belief and the worship of one God, one God alone.
And in in Matthew,
you know, people are asking, Jesus peace be upon what is significance? And he says,
the greatest commandment in the law, he referred to that Jesus says unto him, thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, with all by minds, this is the first and great commandment and the second is like unto it, thou shalt love thy neighbor.
Now, the incredible thing is that
the most significant verse
actually agrees with this wholeheartedly. The most incredible verse is
meaning sincerity, meaning, purity of worship, and it says, overall law go ahead in Arabic, whoa, hoo, Allahu Ahad, say Mohammed, there is only one God worthy of worship. So the first commandment is absolutely important in accordance with the most significant
chapter in the court.
So if you look at why would I therefore, make the statement that Jesus is significant, because he said the same things. He commanded the people around him to say the same things to do the same things, and that was the worship one God. And don't make heartless
partisans don't go to you know, make, you know, compare him to the creative world.
So again, if you look at all of the gospel to find in Luke, you'll find the same and then if you go back into Deuteronomy and Leviticus, you will find exactly the same thing being mentioned. So the first thing is the cornerstone of being a Muslim. Okay, is that we submit to wonder
So Muslim or move Islam, Islam to do Islam move Islam to do Islam, to be a Muslim is purely about the submission.
So when we say we're Muslims we submitted,
we submitted that one God's in mentioned by Jesus peace be upon him as being the first month.
Jesus, we understand in the city upon him in the Koran and the teachings of the Prophet Hamlet, peace and blessings
is another continuation in the line of a long line of different prophets and messengers that have been sent to mankind, all the way from Adam, all the way through to the final prophet, which is
the significance of, you know, and the closeness. The proximity between Mohammed bin Abdullah, who resided in the Arabian Desert 1400 years ago, and a staff of Jesus peace be upon him, it's because they came up to each other. And, you know, we are told him
that the closeness or the proximity between the Christians and the Muslims is very significant. And we are closer to this group of people, more than the Jews more than the polytheists, more than more than six on the circle. So, again, there's a massive significance here and something that we should take on board, when we are communicating with our Christian brothers and sisters in the community, which we don't do enough. Right, this is very this is this is to be honest, to get the theological issues, put them aside for the time being.
Why are we not talking?
Why are we letting the media confused? us all? And their version of the battle they call the facts? Okay, before we're allowed to clarify what we really believe about our face, face, you know, as I see it.
refers to all of the prophets as being equal, they are brothers of one another, that equal they have an equal status. So, Jesus is the eponymous is equal in the eyes of Muslim two handed a local NGO some peace and blessings be upon us. So and it is that we are waiting for the second coming of one of those great prophets, namely Jesus.
Muslims are waiting for the second coming of Jesus peace be upon him.
Christians are waiting for you know, I mean, you can you can argue that Jews are waiting for the Messiah to return to solve the problems that we have in the world.
But right now, in the absence of Jesus, peace be upon
is our role model, because we have within our within our possession,
books, and scriptures, which have not been changed by mankind in 1400 years. So what we what we say to our Christian Brothers and sisters, is rather than railroading what you know about them, what do you what do you really know about Islam? Yes, the first question you should ask, forget about the media. Forget about the deltas. Forget about the hate preachers, right? Come together. And let's seek those common terms. ie, there's only one God worthy of worship. And the all of those prophets tend to remind us that we should be living according to that first commandment. There's only one God worthy of worship, and You should be worshiping him everything you do, and everything you think. So
the incredible thing is that if you look into the, you know, the, you know, the heartbeats or the traditions of the Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him as collected by the companions. Yeah, you'll find many,
many hands and
you know, that refer to the second coming of Jesus peace be upon him.
And I'll read something to you tonight. While I was sleeping, I saw myself in a dream.
forming the circumambulation of the Kaaba or the house, the first house designated for worship by God Almighty in Makkah, I saw a reddish white man, with blank hair, with water dripping from his head, I asked Who is this, they replied, the son of Mario, married, then I turned my face to see another man with a huge body, red complexion, curly hair, blind in one eye, his eye looked like a protruding great, they said to me,
he is the child, that shall be the Antichrist, that shall
be another word for the Antichrist. And the Prophet added the man,
the man he resembled the most is it been a man.
And of course, there was a man around at that time, who
believed to be the Antichrist, Allah knows best when he was, but if he was, then a lot of things should have happened already. So
what we have in this is very vivid descriptions, and accounts, and there are hundreds of such headings like this, talking about Jesus peace be upon him, and they all refer to the second coming, the fact that he will come and he will kill the Antichrist, that he will have, he has already performed miracles, he will perform more miracles, that he will bring the Death to the living again. And as we know that Jesus peace be upon him, you know,
the levels, he made the blind to see. And, you know, he had many, many abilities given to him by God.
And this is very similar to Mohammed, peace and blessings upon a lot of the companions, a lot of story, a lot of the prophets, who were able to, you know, work these miraculous deeds. So the Prophet Mohammed is behind, for example, split the moon displayed, the moon that we see up there is splitting one day.
And, you know, the most incredible, you know, miracle of the Prophet Mohammed says in less than a point, it surely is.
Because, you know, the Quran was revealed to this man, when he was a little,
it could not read, could not write. However, the Koran in Arabic form, remains today, 1400 years later, in its original form, and
it has incredible poetry has incredible meaning
in language, in fact, there was one
of the time I forget his name
gonna go, no problem. But
the significance of this of this book is that, how could a man
and how that book then exists for 1400 years,
without anyone challenging,
and how we can think about it, that that book, then goes with going further.
But one of the chapters in this book says it challenges mankind, anyone, if you can bring a chapter like this,
you know, then you can disprove this book.
Now for 1400 years, it went through the Roman Empire went through the Persian Empire. It went through, you know,
virtually every civilization, including southern Spain, Christian them, and not one of those people for one of those prizes, one of those leaders was able to
challenge. So what we have here is a book of great significance,
which is, you know, definitely the greatest
you know, miracle of the Prophet
In terms of the
story of Jesus, we know that the mother is the mother, his mother,
and the verses of the court and confirm that Mary is upheld as the greatest woman of civilization. So as Muslims, it's very important for you to know that we have to believe that marriage
is the greatest woman that has ever lived. And why is this significant? Because the Prophet Mohammed is a messenger, of course has you know, Khadija who now as a wife, she was the first one to believe
she was the first one to actually accept the message, when he came down from the,
from receiving the message from the angel, Gabriel, he went straight to his wife, and his wife
extended the message, without any confusion. He said, You know, you are good to your offspring, you're good.
You're, you're honest, you're decent, you're known as the most trustworthy amongst all the tribes, you know, people would give
possessions and wealth to this man when they would go on Paragon trading across the world.
So, you know, the significance of that, that is that this man
is telling this woman Khadija to accept this message, she's accepting this message, and she accepted without any questions. Why didn't he designate that woman if he was if he was confused? Or if he was lying?
Or if he was, you know, you know, deceiving himself? Why no, designate
the mother of Jesus as the greatest woman ever. So this is very significant.
Now, the virgin birth occurs, and confirms US Virgin Birth occurred. And this woman has been chosen to represent gods in the world.
And say that, no, she has no ability to have,
you know, interacted with any men.
so, anyway, the virgin birth occurs, and she goes to an area where she's seen she's in, you know, on her own an isolation. And she has this date. So Pamela, baby Jesus, upon. So all of these things are very, you know, corroborated, and they we all agree that this is the case, and this is what happened in terms of being Muslims and Christians. So,
you know, I'm not gonna go into the depth in depth about this story, because it is quite long. But the issue is that, that Mary,
is given the news of the child, she has the child. And then the first miracle, which occurs with Prophet Jesus peace be upon him is that he speaks from the cradle. He speaks as an input in inputs from the cradle.
And it goes like this, that
speaking from the mother's credit, etc, because they may return up with this baby. And then she is with the different tribes, and she's saying, how did you get the paid? You must have had a, you know, sexual relations with somebody, and you know, you this is a sin. This is adultery. How on earth did you do this? So Mary's points to the baby in the cradle and the Baby Cradle.
defends his mother from the first miracle, which you probably won't find in the biblical tradition.
And this is something which I know a lot of people get very excited about, because you know, there's a lot of information about the property of Jesus and Mary,
from from the, you know, from the Injeel, from the Gospels, which of course, Muslims have to do believe in the gospels that were originally set. So the Gospels originally said to Jesus peace be upon him. We have to accept that book.
Without challenging, the question is Where is
really the issue? Can we find that book in the original Hebrew? Can we find extracts of that book?
And this is a challenge for all of us that we should, you know, take,
you know, the information that we have around us, and we should challenge it, you know, logically rationally intelligent.
Okay. So, this is why, for example, I mean, when I was born, I was a Catholic. I mean, I was born in a Catholic family. And
when I, you know, I would ask questions, I wouldn't get the answers I was looking for. So I spent 11 years looking for the truth. And I spent time with Buddhists, I spend time with Hindus, with Christians, with some Jews with many, many different people. And my main thrust, if you like, on that journey was to find the truth is to find what I defined as being something which,
you know, satisfy my curiosity, my intellectual search, right? So all of us should do that. Even if we say that we are Muslims, we shouldn't just accept
without looking at it and reading and asking questions about
Muslim, right? Oh, yeah, Muslim, and he wants
to know, who was
a Christian that never read the Bible.
So even to the extent that Jesus peace be upon
if you read into the Bible, and there's an area known as the gates get seminary, which used to be frequented by pious people that used to pray that and to reflect, again, Mohammed had one of those places in the table here, you go to the top of the mountain and reflect on the things Jesus is the one used to go to these areas get 70. And he used to pray. Now, the verses which are clearly seen from
john, I think the gospel of john, okay. 530 is the prayer
looks like the Muslim practice. So you're a Prophet Jesus is the economy's throwing himself on his, on his forehead, on his hand on his knees. So this is the most impressive, but a lot of us people, we don't even consider that to be significant, yet it is written in a book, which
has been the Gospels of Jesus. So we should take that significant, we should look at that. And then we should implement that in our lives if we want to be good Christians. So the same way we read something
and we don't take it seriously. We're not being good Muslims, right. You know,
so, you know,
anyway, Jesus, peace be upon him was followed by the Pope. It was followed by the meat, he was followed by women and it was followed by slaves. And if you look exactly the same as investing the time, the first people to accept Islam, to worshiping God, no
one got away from those 360 idols that they had in the Kaaba and around the Kaaba, the first house that was built by bringing in meta
you find that, you know, this, you know,
significance of the first people was slaves, women,
me, the pole, the slaves, you know. So, again, there's this incredible significance and similarity between these two properties. Not only is it proximity it's the people who are following it's the way he phrases the way Jesus prays exactly the same see the Muslim praise and prayer today. You know, when you throw yourself on your haunches on your forehead, your most noble part of your body, this is the way Jesus peace be upon him pray in the gates outside the gates.
this is why
Essentially, we accept that Jesus peace be upon him, was a significant man in history. He was one of the Great's prophet. So the photographer's to find great messengers, people that came with a message, write messages, right? So
let's do it.
So what are we talking about?
We're talking about these most time, most incredible people that have ever lived really.
were effectively saying that these five people on one of them being the person that is considered by all Christians in the world, would be a person that they love, more than they love themselves.
And we, as Muslims say that we love all of these prophets. One thing that really gets my goat is when Muslims say they're making a cartoon against the Prophet Muhammad.
And then when the same culture or the same ridicule is done over Jesus and Mary,
but then you know, you contradicting or,
you know, we should, we should go to the extent that if you're going to defend Mohammed, you're going to defend Abraham and Moosa and all of the different prophets. For an explicitly mentioned Jesus peace be upon 25 times, and the only mentioned the Prophet Mohammed Salah local, and he was seven, five.
So this is significance here about this man and why we love him and why we venerate and we followed it.
Because he didn't come with any other message other than to worship.
say, and he told people to be good.
And he said, you know, the commandments, we all agreed with that fit with the 10 commandments, right? He said, in terms of the commandment about the,
the neighbors, the prophet, Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, as in many
refer to the neighbor as being incredibly important. So you're living next to a neighbor, you've got a full belly, and you go to sleep at night. The Prophet said, it is a man next door is no good. It's like it's not believe that you've gone to sleep without looking after
the companions. And whether you talk about the neighbors, the significance, the scholars say that it's 14 neighbors
40 this side and 40 this side,
you know, we don't even knock on number one. We don't even know.
We don't even know who number three is.
You see, this is the way Britain has become. Britain has become this doggy dog society.
And, you know, the poet,
the modern day poets of the meaning.
And we don't challenge the media, by going to our neighbors and speaking to them about our faith.
So it's time that we, you know, I'm not I created a project the other day, I mean, I just bring it up.
Britain is in a mess.
I mean, I was looking at the stats.
we should have so many similarities in regards to that Jesus, and Mohammed told me about looking out your mother and your father.
You see, that's why I'm bringing this up, that your mother and father are so significantly important to you. You know,
you don't look up to them.
everything falls apart.
24,000 you know, elderly will die this winter in Britain alone.
hypothermia, lack of food, lack of people caring about lack of neighbors knocking on doors. So this is why again, we as Muslims, and we as Christians need to come together and say look, we can agree on a lot of things.
We need to start doing work together. You know, as believers in one, God, I know that there's a lot of confusion out there. And this.
There's a lot of different views about who Jesus really was. But if you look into the Gospels, you'll see that he never referred to himself as being. In fact, he referred to himself as the Son of man.
He referred to himself as the Son of man. And he said that the Father is greater than me.
So go back to God refer to him as being the one who makes everything happen.
So we need to
think about what we're doing in this world, you need to think about how we can get back
some of our reality, some of our, you know, humanity, know, reaching out to people, when we see them, they're sick. You know, when you stand up, and walk past the person who sit in the road,
this is something which all the prophets hated.
And they, you know, told us that we must look up to the way, the sick, the needy, so,
in this world today, you can see the very few people who have the album, and we need to return to that, and Jesus peace be upon him, and Mohammed, peace and blessings be upon him, of course, with great examples for us, as leaders, and we should, you know, try to return to that way, price and return to the prophetic way, rather than the prophetic way. prophetic ways, worshipping money, we should be worshipping houses, you know, living just to go on holiday to the Bahamas, you know, come on, I know a lot of people, they just Muslims included, the only thing that they're really interested in, is just, you know, having a having a break, having a holiday. But did God create you
to have holidays?
Yeah, holidays. But if you create you to have holidays, we create you to ignore that. We ignore the real message
of the Gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and john. No.
He created us to worship Him. And at the end of the day, once you worship Him, you get peace. Because that's the significance of, you know, ibadah, of returning to God is that you get peace when you worship God. And you promise,
everything you want forever, in the hero,
but a person contrary to this, that does not wish it does.
And he wishes his desires, rather,
you know, he is a person that will be plunged into chaos, when
And only God can take you out of that suffering, is one of judges with only God as a judge, of course, is the ultimate judge, we ask God Almighty, to help us
to return to the beautiful way, Jesus or Muhammad.
And, you know, for us to work together to make this British society a better place more normal.
thinking a lot more
talking to each other, about, you know, our face problems and sharing problems and sharing, you know, goodness, sharing goodness and sharing well, and,
and, you know, being good parents, being good teachers, you know, so, thanks for listening to me tonight. And there's any questions you have on the topic.
why I love Jesus, why I love Mohammed.
Please do. Go ahead. And
I think if we break for a few minutes, if anyone wants to see a few people,
anyone wants to ask any questions in a written format. And we'll do that by going into the range and then we'll just reconvene
Because I didn't have enough information.
And it was a very confused message. Sometimes he was gone sometimes.
Sometimes he was
a prophet. So what?
Really, and it has to be said,
my mother, my father couldn't understand the message. So they didn't teach me. But what I did was I went back to the church, myself. And I became a member of the choir. And I got really involved in the church, actually.
Because I liked the community. I just liked the community thing, you know,
didn't actually talk too much about theology when I was young. I was when I left school, and started searching when I started asking theological questions, but we didn't really get told much about Jesus as Christians.
But now I know more about Jesus, the
next, next part of the grieving process.
How many times is mentioned,
you went out say that
you kind of went away.
we're getting out there in popular mainstream society, is the Muslims and Christians will be fighting, and they've got nothing to agree
what I see, I see.
Well, it's a good question. It really is the question, I thought you were asking about the radicalization
will get us up. But you know, the significance of why Muslims take very, very seriously when when somebody comes, you know, attacks is because we have, well, we have over 300,000 statements from in the form of heavy, yeah, some of them
are heavy with statements, statements or actions. But essentially, we have a massive body of knowledge from the companions, from the companions of the companions of the companions, companions, which is the water
scholar scholastically, identified for two people in seminaries and schools and universities
are just fine.
So, this is what I'm saying, you know, that was a good question about, you know, why, why is it that we don't, you know, as Christians I couldn't, or as a Christian, I couldn't relate to Jesus.
But the bottom line is that we have a huge body of knowledge.
And people attend to the living a life which is based on his teachings. So for example, when many Muslims
in this room, right, they pray five times a day, because the Prophet Muhammad,
the will of Ramadan, so their lives are governed by this man. So when when they see him being attacked,
They go off to the guys who are attacking. However, is he correct? No.
He's not correct. And you want to go around being, you know,
billable copy written about him whatever it was, he would have been killed.
Ridiculous. You know what was the Prophet say he saw those people killing people in December.
So there's a lot of knowledge.
And there's a lot of light lifestyle.
after the first 300 years,
when you have basic
companions of Jesus,
they will notice that NASA leaders who are known as Christians, they will only notice Christians, when the Roman Empire decided to take on board the teachings of Jesus, and then turn around and come up with
crystal or the Messiah,
Messiah to the people who come.
So, you know, when we returned
in the dorm prayer, in Damascus, as described, between the two minarets,
in mosques, in Damascus, you know, he will break the process.
He will kill the swine. And he will leave the frat and anyone who's a believer on those days, regardless if they call themselves Muslim, Christian, whatever, you know, they will be they will follow Jesus. And they will pray and it will pray to pray outside.
So, you know,
the significance is now that unfortunately,
we've kind of lost touch with the lifestyle that Jesus
spoke about, because we don't have
my own study says, I'm not just saying this because, you know, I'm
very cohesive information extremely protected. You know, like I said,
the original Arabic, not the English, not only by the English because anyone can translate a word and get it wrong, right? We're talking about the Arabic original.
bottom line is
it should be that we should defend his honor.
Because we, as Muslims, we don't believe that those people are very special.
Sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
When you say that,
bred in the morning,
when you say that,
know what looks like
the scholars and scholars of the Bible.
One has seen really that scholars are arguing all the time about what is actual and what is factual and what is to be thrown out. So this is borne out by the time
we have many different verses.
six more chapters or six,
six, more six less than the standard.
This is the word of God.
He should have an agreement about what is good, what is not. So, when I'm saying that we didn't have the books, we had many books that we have confusion about, which was, which is factual, and which is to be taken serious.
you know, that's why
when I came to the conclusion, that if I could find the original books, or I wasn't the Word of God, the committee taught me, you know, God's word is there to be protected. Right. So in terms of an inquisition, if it is not protected,
then anyone can just come and just write some bits and pieces and change the words and then sell it to Christianity. But how do you know whether it's Christianity, or whether it's just the next month is sort of the you know, the series.
So we have to have a way to check the Word of God. Right? It has to make sense. It has to come from a revealed scripture, which is prescribed and protected.
It's not changed by man can't have a man's version of
So we say that there are the biblical scholars are up in arms about whether, you know, we have opened something and the reason is 27,000 Greek manuscripts that came together that they found, first of all, Greek wasn't spoken by,
was in a Hebrew, Aramaic at the time. So we need to find those original Hebrew and Aramaic, intact documents, so we can say exactly what Jesus
said. So what I'm saying is, okay, folks, and we accept the original Jesus
for the gospel is 100%. And we venerate Jesus. And we will follow. And if we still alive when he comes back,
that's the bottom line. I don't know when. And to be honest, I don't really want because
the way things are going is getting worse and worse up there. Right.
It has many hundreds of 1000s, hundreds and hundreds of significant scientific statements
from an illiterate man who lived in the desert wasn't a social anthropologist, he wasn't an astronomy.
guy wasn't a genius.
subjects, right? He wasn't even a professor. He couldn't read or write.
And then if you look at the linguistic quality,
there were companions around that were the greatest poets of that time. The greatest poets of that time. And they knew how to decipher whether something was miraculous or not. When Mohammed
versus they said it couldn't be. There's no way because yesterday he he didn't know anything. And then suddenly, overnight, he stops. You know, the first verse he revealed
me wrong the
he said, he stopped telling the people, all these incredible powerful Arabic statements.
And that compilation on it 114 chapters 1400 years
the Arabic they have with two of the greatest status of all Arabic grammar.
And at that stage, they could extemporary compose poetry, right from the top of their head, about you and me. Then we'll see see where that white jacket
You smile, and they make, they say that guy was
incredible. He was an oral tradition.
man who's never composed,
was never read or written anything suddenly comes up with stuff, which is far more sophisticated. From the top of his head, it says No way. So it's one of the one of these guys actually said, It's impossible.
And this is written by
non Muslim, Arabic primary historians say that, not
what I'm saying that I'm giving you an answer, as well.
My question was about
in the Bible,
my pregnancy was one
is that for you to kind of discuss with
those people that, you
why this is for was great to kind of go that, you know,
right out, you know, because that wasn't the case that
he was The following content.
put that content in
The first thing is that
he makes mistakes this programming is
he turns his back on a person comes the device.
the guy was fine.
He didn't even know what was going on. And that's another indication you
know, the first thing is, is a man
is a very significant man, just like
you know, if somebody comes to you
right, and says your mother
right, all sorts of things.
My we see today,
plays about married, being married, being
displaced, right? That makes me angry. It makes me upset.
And we should be upset for the sake of God.
But we shouldn't take it out on people.
This is an
the person taking the bedroom
next to the toilet
some of the companions go up and
the Infinity urinating right around is gonna go all over the place
and then he calmed the situation down right now the point being that way of dealing with attacks and stuff is going on which is very seemingly awful in your place of worship is
see what we can do with this guy. And then after this he became
accepted the message
and he made
it made the out of love
there's another story
he was seeking repentance, he was on his way on a journey.
all the way
so the angels
came down and they
killed 99 and by the
way, I gonna go to hell.
he's on his way to seeking repentance.
is close to repentance. He is.
another a prostitute gave water to a dying go.
Went down the wells.
So what am I trying to say?
I'm saying that we
are not living the lives of a prophet.
Jesus came in here Mohammed came in
you know, notice,
right? Today, you can't compare
what we have today.
We just we just like hey,
we like him
compared to what they want.
We don't have to focus
satisfied you're in
the last day.
what drew us was getting portrayed is you're probably thinking about people
it's about spiritual warfare in a physical world when
woke up and went back.
Now when you look about
As the reason why wasn't
on the other hand of wonder, Is it because of the many messages that have been written
about him that needs to
be taken that sound?
it's a fact that they were radicalized. In Kenya. This is from documents, you see. So
let's not talk about specific issues.
Say, is basically, you know, as a Muslim, or as a Christian, we live according to the person who follows you. Apologies. I follow Jesus.
Because it's one of the prophets of 125,000 properties that have incentives, and 25 of them.
And I've seen, I've read read
in a language that I understand, and I've read the heavy.
So I take that body of knowledge, and I see the Islamic way is
expressing yourself peacefully,
in certain conditions. Okay. So for example, we have just what do we have Christian just water, right? We can't just expect that somebody goes off and starts breaking, killing and pillaging that we just leave them on their own devices. And so if we take what we understand from which I don't believe,
we should say, turn the other cheek, and don't ever do it. No, he turned up the tables outside the temple. He was fighting games of revolution, you know, the profit per revolution. And, you know, if they saw what was going on with what this government is doing in Iraq, and Afghanistan, all of the profits of
there will be upset to the extent that they will use just walking, and we have, you know, all of these different
un United Nations Declaration of this and, you know, all these different
legal systems to protect people and give them human rights, Roosevelt 1947, Declaration of Human Rights, why
is it just so we can just read it and just say, Oh, it's very nice and not implement. Now. You know, why is it there's 150,000 people dying in Syria, and the United Nations didn't go down?
Because there's no, there's no oil that
we have to say that the whole world we live in now, if you're Christian, or Jewish perspective on that.
We have a lot of evil going on. And we need to work together, try and get together and say, what was the
And we have to sometimes you have to take action, not in this country, to a soldier industry. This is not allowed in Islam, by the way, totally athletes and Islam, because I have possible, right? My muscle is my contract. The moment I break my contract, ha natella. Right. So if I kill, somebody will break the law,
broken my contract, my contract is my hospital. And I deserve to be thrown out of the country.
So what I was saying effectively,
Muslims are very well engaged with the literature. So therefore,
and I believe the Christians, the original Christians, the original Christians,
companions, they would say, in fact, for 300 years, they were chased out of one city to the next.
They were persecuted. They were executed, even as you know, simple was one of the people that was prosecuting them. He was working with him.
On the way to Damascus, he gets some sort of, you know, this
dream or something and then you start working for the
point then the state takes on both the role and separates the church from the States and then has an effect
version of Christianity, which does not revolve
where the separation of when, when the Christian religion was great was when the companions of the companions of the Prophet
we normally code that we are left by Constantine convert to Christianity, or was Christianity converted? Constantine? Yeah, I think your
view is that
some significant documents,
which we won't be able to see as well, you know, we still come from the first century. Yes. So we have not just the Gospels as portrayed in our limited scriptures, and they are limited.
Our documents, the documents we have on edited under the time, when over the time when the church became the equivalent of the Roman society, Roman Catholicism.
Other thing we need to bear in mind, in the Christian tradition, is the resurrection of Jesus.
And the other thing, which would be interesting to consider, in Christianity we've gone from
politely say, culture ism. Yeah, we had revolutionary imperialism on the road.
Then under the reformation, we have a one of the better term capitalism
that we've got, what you're suggesting.
AdWords working together against us? Yeah.
One of the difficulties, our history,
these given documents, given history, and the givens of in our traditional recorded doctrine, and most of them are real thing.
So there's a there's this huge, huge, deliberate similarity similarities, but some of them
the essential one, I get your points tonight.
See, the essential ones that we all need to be honest about?
thing is that essentially,
the universe was created. And we agreed that we,
we believe in the day, so we don't have that issue. But if you look at the concept of data, how do you describe the data? Or how do you define what the data is? Is it the same as his creation? or different columns?
The same or different? What do you think?
is not the same as his
question could be that God would have the power to become gods or the gods, depending on what he wants to do, which means that the traditional prophecy will never end.
But essentially, if there are many,
if there are many of you like if you make that statement, there are many goals. That make sense. Now.
If you say that, for example, Jesus is a mind the goal is
if we if we talk about these issues openly, without fearing retribution, and
I think there's a lot, especially the younger generation,
they're ready to talk about this, they know that we can have this realistic approach to solving our problems. And what we're saying effectively, is that if God created everything,
he doesn't need something
that he created. And, you know, by dint of the fact that if something superior made something that can only be one thing that creates a copy to the to the
nation's if there was more than one.
So effectively, there has to be the buck stops with one.
So when you go back, then you go back to Adam and Adam, Eve, they were created to believe this, you know, and then, you know, something creative that there has to be something there in order for you
Got to in order to create now
that God's Okay. Is has to be unique,
has to be highly intelligent, the most intelligence.
Right, in order that he was created,
but he can't have
it doesn't make any logical sense is irrational, maybe quite wise in terms of the process of deduction according to us. Yeah. Now according to gold, mystery,
Wonder things like that which are not necessarily within the path of human traceability. If God wanted to do something like that, it probably could and would, and will. That's not to say, and the other thing is, when we talk about God, it's not limited to our consciousness, or our own creation. If we believe in God, it's like, beyond beyond Star Trek and beyond that, so it gets a little bit has to be
You know, there's a 30% increase in
atheism in UK campuses in the last few years. Yeah.
What I'm saying is that Dawkins and Hawkins and cycle
they have a popularizing this concept that God has not created. And, and what what they do, is they confusing a whole bunch of Christians as well, because, you know, Christian, kind of is a little bit confused about the date.
The date itself is something which is beyond
the equations have a problem with the idea of a creative God, they may have a problem with the idea is that what again, the process of creating
Big Bang Theory as opposed to evolution?
You know, that's not against, for example, evolution isn't a problem.
Because God has to create something that has to be something better for us atoms, appears right before the first, you know, whatever is Amoeba. You know, God created for fun, we understand the Islamic and Christian tradition, that there's this the story of Adam and Eve, in the garden of paradise. Right? Okay. So, from our perspective, we can't accept that the monkey became a human, or the fish like being crawling up and then meeting with a slightly less patient than a slightly more fishy thing with a monkey, and then a monkey with a sort of half man, monkey and mating with each other.
So if you look at all of those processes, right, that I mean, that was started by God, that's what we need to say to them.
Is Our Story makes sense?
You know, that God created man in his own image. You see, that's really strange, because people think, what does that statement mean? And that's how the people you know,
the outcome, the shape,
your media, schools, all of these doubts, to assert inside our minds, and then change some of the meaning. So what does it mean?
Other than his own image, meaning as another
creative adult, as an adult,
he was perfect. It was a perfect human beings.
You know, according to the Scripture, they had needs that he was 60 cubits high. He was 33 years of age, and it was the most beautiful thing that ever been created. human being
could explain why we got dinosaurs.
But you know, they will vary.
But you know, I mean, do you see, do you see what I'm saying? There's so much information that we can share.
Right? But if we talk on this open base, not this fighting,
to be frank, but I know Christians that don't believe that Trinity has anything to do with their faith, that they believe Jesus is the great prophet, that he came to save that Abraham that Moses that john the baptist to say that all of them are great prophets, and they just came, they said, 10 commandments, and that's it. I've met people like that old eight, eight elderly ladies British lady saying, No, there's one God Jesus
When we start talking, which is amazing, because we got so much to talk about, and we got so much to agree
to disagree on, whereas outside
any other question, so
my question is in regards to
what is it? Is a original version of mathematical? Or is it something different elements in the Quran? That gospel is something which God
has been quoted
in john? If not?
Well, I mean, Liverpool scholars are having these discussions, and they're much more erudite and knowledgeable about who might be not me. Right. However, the level of knowledge I have of it, is that difficult to pin down who left democracy doesn't work?
Maybe, according to one Jewish scholar, I was reading, maybe john, you can pin down the rest of them, they didn't have names, they didn't have second names.
You're gonna take a vote. You know, that's apparently, the statement Sunday and the message of the greatest prophet, you know, that you're the recipient of the baseball, and you don't even know the second name of the former significant now. It is one of the Church Fathers
gospel as being for
john, right. But he said on the basis that there are
people except for
the fundamentals, yes. So it's very arbitrary. You know, you can't just, you know, make up, you know, God's word and God's way, in an authentic way by saying, look, we're gonna choose for, in fact, there were 1000s and 1000s. of scriptures, and it just couldn't define which decide which is which. So, really, you need to do your own research on that
original version? Of course.
Not I mean, that's the point. It's very difficult to tell.
The original Hebrew isn't available for us to check
it out tradition,
commonly scholarship would call it the cube document. And then that's meant to be the original document of Jesus. And Mary. Yeah.
Well, that's that's
the This one is coming. And this is joining, not join one of the disciples in the New Testament,
Jesus disciples with
to the problem is, see for 300 years, there was no civilization due to the teaching of Jesus, that they were they were constantly running away from city to city to city, and they had no scholars around. They had no ability to compile the gospel. So what happened is most of actually, Matthew Mark, who actually met
and did not sponsor them.
For gospel, the four gospels in any of the meat uses something to come out of nothing. Never. So.
Cause cause and creating, cause
is easy, really, but it sounds very complicated. It's really easy.
Something doesn't come out of nothing.
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