Channel: Yasir Qadhi
Series: Yasir Qadhi - Seerah
Shaykh Yasir Qadhi now continues to shed light on the Conquest of Mecca and we move forward from the Prophet ﷺ arrival at Mecca.
Meanwhile, a sahaba named Hatib ibn Abi Balta’ah warns the Quraysh about the advent of the Prophet ﷺ into Mecca. Who is Hatib? He was a mawla from Yemen and now to one of the Quraysh. He had written a letter to the Quraysh which bore the same message and he asked one of the ladies to deliver this letter across in utmost secrecy.
The Prophet ﷺ was informed of this development when Allah sent Jibreel AS with the information. The Prophet ﷺ in turn appointed Zubair ibn Awwam and Ali ibn Abi Talib to retrieve the letter from the lady. When his plan is exposed, Hatib is brought in the presence of the Prophet ﷺ and we realise the actual reason behind Hatib committing such a shameful act. Be sure to be mesmerised by the response of the Prophet ﷺ to this.
There are numerous points of wisdom that is imparted via the story of Hatib and some of them can be enlisted below:
- The supreme knowledge of Allah SWT which overrides everything else that you might possibly know.
- The power of Dua.
- We have to put effort before we place our trust and belief in Allah. Only then can we be assured of help.
- The humanity of the Sahaba.
- The trait of forgiveness in the Prophet ﷺ is insurmountable.
- The importance of verifying reports before acting upon it.
Bismillah Alhamdulillah herbal alameen wa Salatu was Salam ala Sayyidina Muhammad Anwar Ali, he was a big man. And
in today's lesson, we will continue from where we left off regarding the conquest of Makkah. And we had mentioned that the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam did not inform anybody where he was heading until the very last minute. And probably the day before or two days before, we don't know exactly when he told them that Okay, we're heading to Mecca, because you have to tell them, eventually they have to leave the city, they have to prepare, they need to know they're going to face a battle, possibly. So he tells them that they're heading towards Mecca. Now, what happens? One of the Sahaba, one of the Sahaba by the name of how to Eben Abbey belta,
decides to warn the Quraysh that the Prophet system is coming. And this story will take up the bulk, maybe even the entire of our Syrah today, because it is a very, very significant story, a story that has a lot of benefits, and a story that is used today in a very political manner. A lot of controversy exists to this day about interpreting the story of how to be better. So who is how to and what happened. How to, according to the strongest opinion, was a molar from Yemen. And the molar is somebody that would have an immigrant status. A molar is somebody that has an immigrant status, and he was a molar to one of the auto ships. And what this means was he as a second class
citizenship in Makkah, and he had converted to Islam, and he had emigrated to Medina, but for reasons that are not mentioned in the Syrah, his family, his children, and according to one report, even his mother remained in Makkah, and they did not come with him to Medina. Now there is another opinion as well. And that is that Howard was a slave who had won his freedom and purchased his freedom. And if we take this opinion, then we understand exactly why his children and his mother and whatnot had not left because they're all slaves. There's a second opinion that there was a slave. But both opinion say that it was not a pure kurachi that Helton was an Arab and either he was a
molar or he was a slave, and he had converted to Islam and left for Medina. And his family was still in Makkah now how to wrote a letter directly to the people of Makkah, and the content of this letter is not mentioned in Urbanus health, but it is mentioned in one or two other books of them, one of the reports mentions that he said to the chorus, she sent a letter that the prophet SAW some of the Muslims are leaving with an army, and he might be heading towards Mecca, or he might be heading elsewhere. So take precautions, then, according to this report, how would have sent the letter before the processor made the announcement, because he's not telling him exactly where there's
another report that he specifically said that the Profit System is heading towards you with an army like the night galane.
The meaning here poetically is it is dense, and it is full of people, because the are the The night is like very dark and full. And you can imagine the hordes of the army, this is compared to the darkness, and he is rushing towards you like a river like a torrent. And I swear by Allah, even if he were to come to you alone, Allah would help him over you, because Allah will fulfill his promise. Now, the second version basically shows that how to is telling them look, doesn't matter what you do, he will win. But I'm just telling you this that he is coming your way. And therefore, how they did not. He basically spilled the beans, he gave away the secret of the Prophet sallallahu wasallam.
Now, how did he manage to get this letter? or What did he plan to do? He found another molar lady from the koresh from the Abdulmutallab, the mama from the Mohali of Abdulmutallab brainwash him. So she he found a lady who was going back to Medina, and he paid her a maka, and he paid her some money to smuggle this letter to the Ornish and he didn't tell her the contents. He didn't tell her the message. You simply paid her some money and he said, Your job is to smuggle this letter to the correlation make sure nobody knows of this letter. And so she took this letter and folded it up and took untied her hair and put it in the middle of her hair and then threw the
grades, she tied the letter inside the braids of her hair. So the letter the package was inside the braids of her hair. And she then began the trek back to Makkah. And
notice here that how he chose a person that's not famous, we really don't even know her full name, and not somebody that's Noble. So that attention would not be drawn to her. And he didn't even tell her the contents of the letter for secrecy. And the only thing she was told you have to smuggle this letter, and you will get the money if you smuggle this letter, and she hides it in a place that she assumes nobody will ever discover. And that is in between the braids of her hair. And there is no way that anybody would have found this out. Because who is going to know that how they wrote a letter, even the lady does not know what is in the letter. And she's just getting some money to take
the letter to Makkah, nobody would ever have figured out had it not been for divine intervention. Allah subhana wa tada sent Djibouti down and God told the Prophet system exactly what happened. That how to grow learn letter, and this lady taking the letter and you had better stop her. And so the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam told Zubaydah that I want an idea of you Polly, that go to a place called Rodolfo which is right outside of Medina, go to an old hotel Hall, you will find the lady on such and such a caravan. Right. She has a letter, stop her and bring the letter back to me. So he told them where to find her. He described
the entourage and what she's going to be writing. And he said, bring that back to me. And look at how detailed knowledge she had directly from Djibouti. They galloped to this caravan and add Roboto Hawk. Exactly. They found the caravan, they found the lady and they demanded that she hand over the letter, the lady claimed I don't know what you're talking about. And so they searched through her entire belongings, every single item, they went through it, they stopped the camel, they searched the camel, they search the saddle, nothing was to be found. At this one, it is clear then that it's not in the belongings. And you know, she's not she doesn't have a bag. She's wearing just the
whatever the blouse or the skirt that the woman would be wearing. And she's not a Muslim. This lady was one of the mode of the auto she's not a Muslim. She was going for personal reasons back and forth between the cities. So I thought he said, I swear by a law, neither has the Profit System been lied to, nor have we been lied to, you will either give us the letter, or we will strip you down and search you directly.
Now notice here, neither has the profit hasn't been lied to, nor have we been lied to iE gibreel didn't lie to him. And he didn't lie to us. Look at his clean.
Look at his yaqeen there is no way Djibouti lied to the processor. And there's no way he lied to us. You must have the letter. So either you handed over, or Leonard geraten Nikki, we will strip you literally This is what it means we will strip you and search you completely. And even as House says when she saw their determination, and you can imagine they would have been fuming. And you can imagine their anger. When she saw that they are going to execute this threat. She told them turn around, so they realize that she's going to unclothed herself. So they turned around and she took off her headscarf, and she tied her hair and then gave them the package. And they then brought her
with the package back to the Prophet salallahu it he was setting them and some handle that you have to remark here that okay, she's a non Muslim lady. But still, she has that much higher, that she is covering herself. And even in such a tense situation, she does not want them to see her hair. And by the way, covering the hair was something that all ladies did Muslim and non Muslim, as they all did it at the time. This is something that was the custom and the culture of all civilized society, not just even in Arabia, it was done everywhere in the room here in America. 200 years ago, this was the culture of the people. And even in such a time she tells them turn around, no boss, she turned
around so that I have to take my headscarf off. And we're lucky It is sad that many of us we don't have the highest even that this lady had that it's such a tense time. She still did not want the men to see her hair. And she asked them turned around, she then hands them this and they then take her as a prisoner with the letter to the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, she tells them exactly what happened, how to paid me some money. And he told me to hide this letter and take it to the garage. That's what I did. I don't know what's in the contents of the letter. And she's not mentioned after this and we can assume that she was let go. Because in the end of the day, she did
not really know she's even doing any crime. She probably figured out this is some type of secret but she had no idea that the
This is gonna be treason or treacherous and she's simply doing the beck and call of Houthi. So, she is left off because she is not aware of any crime that she has done. So, the profits are some called How to
and the lady is there and the letter is there and shows them the lecture the plot has now been uncovered and how to confessors Yes, Yasuda law, this is my lecture. He confesses This is my letter. And Omar immediately said Yasuda law, Danny avaliable, lunokhod. And Monique, allow me to chop off the head of this Mona Phil, for the cafaro the law he wore a suit, he has become confident Allah and His Messenger allow me to chop his head off because he has become a Kaffir. But the profitsystem said, Yeah, how did Mohammed Al Qaeda master that? Oh, how to? Why would you do something like this? Or how to why would you do something like this? And how tibs response is recorded in many books of
Hadith. Actually, this story is mentioned in almost every book of Hadith Sahih Bukhari Sahih. Muslim embudo Timothy, it is mentioned within the Mohammed that is mentioned it live in this house sila. This is one of the most common stories of the conquest of Makkah, and it is mentioned in a lot of detail and how to libs response has been pieced together from various narrations that he said, O Messenger of Allah. Why would I want to leave a man in Allah and His messenger? Why would I want to leave a man in a lesson best and His messenger? I did not do what I did, leaving my faith. Nor did I prefer Khufu over Islam. I did not do this for love of Kufa and I have not changed who I am or what
I was, I'm still a Muslim. Basically, I haven't changed. I did not want to betray meaning Islam, nor did I want to be a monastic. It's not my goal to betray Islam or to be a monastic. I knew that Allah would fulfill his promise and execute his command, meaning I knew you would conquer Makkah, I would no doubt that you would not be harmed. I had the clean that Allah would protect you. But what is his excuse? Rather, I wanted to establish a favor with the aurash so that my family and property would be protected for all of your other companions have family that would protect their other relatives and I have no family in MK to protect my family. Now. What is he saying here? He is saying that the
Ansari that are going to attack my god they don't have any family. They don't have to worry about anything. The more ha Joon that are going to attack Makkah. Every one of them will hide your own belongs to one of the clans. Omar will hop is the bunny idea Baba is this and it's mine is the bonior Mejia, they're all the big clans. And no matter what relatives they have, they're not going to be harmed because they're the clans of Cornish, obviously, who's going to harm their own clans. But I have my family. According to one report, my mother is there. My sons are all there. And I don't have any tribe to protect them. What do you think is going to happen when they hear I am
attacking they will obviously harm or kill my family. And so I wanted to have some type of favor that they know that I have done some good so my family will be protected. And look he has some perverted logic that I know Allah will protect you. Right he has some Eman in this regard that look, you're not going to get harmed. I have full trust in Allah. Allah will protect you. I knew my letter would not harm you. I just wanted to get some photos some blessing over the crush. So the prophets of Salaam said sada.
Houghton has spoken the truth. latter oluwo illa Hara nobody should say anything about health anymore, except good. Health has spoken the truth. This is his excuse, and nobody should say anything bad about him. But Omar was still fuming. And Omar said, he rasulillah he has betrayed a lot in his messenger. So allow me to kill him. Now, the first time he said, this is a munaf and he has cuff arabela he was sued. He has rejected on his messenger. Then the process that I'm said he is speaking the truth. He has a man. Then Omar says he has piano even if he has even he is a spy, then he has betrayed the trust placed upon him. So allow me to kill him. And this shows us that Omar is
the first time he was asking for the execution, basically as if he was a militant, as if health is a motet and we'll get back to this point later on. And the second time he's asking, he's asking as a punishment for the crime of spying.
He's asking for the punishment for the crime of betraying the trust.
So the first one would have been related
And the second one would have been a Koba would have been a punishment for the punishment of the Muslims. So the prophets of Salaam said Did he not witness better?
Did he not witness better? And how do you know Omar? Perhaps a law has looked upon all of the people who are at bud and said Mr. Loomer
offer to do as you please for I have forgiven all of you. How do you know this is what Allah has done? He has looked at the people of butter and he has said I have forgiven all of you so Omar began to cry and he said a lot what a lot a lot of sudo item Allah and His Messenger know best and add this Allah revealed salted mahina Sula, monta Hina and Solitaire momenta Hannah begins yeah you are Latina, Armando Lata Why do we want Maria to own a bit more depth? Oh, you who believe do not take my enemies and your enemies as allies? That data Why do we want to do Alia to LA him belma what you want to offer your friendship to them. And they have rejected
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gaffer image documentary worker the gaffer Roma documented happy, your original solo while they have rejected what truth has come to you, and they have expelled you and the Prophet. Just because you have believed in Allah your Lord. Then Allah says to seal Runa la him bill my word, you secretly tried to befriend them, what level of faith a woman argumentum. And I know what you hide and what you reveal. And whoever does this amongst you for the world as well as Sabine has strayed a very far away string, he has strayed greatly from the path. So this ayah deals with how to, and Allah says to help them and through how to anybody at a later generation, or you who believe do not take as
allies, those who are your enemies and my enemies, that that's what we do. Don't try to be friend, my enemies and your enemies. They are your enemies. Anybody who's an enemy of Allah will be an enemy to the believers of Allah. And don't try to secretly befriend these enemies, because they have hated you only because you have worshipped your Lord, and taught me to be like Robocop just because you believe in your Lord. And if you secretly befriend them, Allah says, I know what you're doing. How is being told I know what you're doing. And whoever does so has strayed greatly from the path and how to does not really appear before this incident too much, except that he participated in but in
fact, there's nothing mentioned about how to before this incident. Other than that, he is a participant at Bethel. He also participated at the bilateral one, and one more thing happened to him before he passed away, and that is that the process of them chose him to be an emissary to the king of Egypt, the mo caucus or the king of Alexandria. He sent him to Morocco Chris, so how to became an emissary to the Prophet, so send them in the next year. And then he died in the 30th year of the hedgerow in the caliphate of Earth man. And just interesting tidbit here, one of his descendants five, six generations down, one of his descendants 170 years after him 108 years after him, became
one of the main students of Imam Malik and his name was Ziad, a shovel tune. And the other shabbaton was one of the narrators of the mortal avian medic, and he was one of those who took the water to North Africa. And he was one of those who spread the medic he might have and the motto of a medic in North Africa. Two or three of them are Malik's main students, including heaven. Yeah, they were the ones who study with him and Malik and Medina. And this was the time when under this was being opened up and conquest were taking place. So a lot of those students are two or three of the main ones they migrated from Medina to under loose. And it was for that reason that under lucea became Maliki and
madhhab. And to this day, the Maliki method is the most predominant in North Africa as all of our North African brothers know. So one of the people who spread the Maliki method in that region and in Andalusia was one of the descendants of how to be belt action parallel such as the brother of Allah subhanahu wa Tada. Now, this story has so many benefits. This is the story of how to, we don't want to pause for a while and discuss some of the benefits of the story of how to even be birthed out of the benefits of this story is the infinite knowledge of Allah subhana wa tada that Nothing escapes Allah. And this reminds us of the Hadeeth of Bahati that the lady who complained about her husband
came to the house of the prophet SAW Selim, and she says, Well, lucky I was trying my best to hear what is she saying? From
behind the curtain, and I heard a phrase and I couldn't hear a phrase. And Allah heard it from above the seven heavens law called the semi Allah hola de to Jesu coffee. So Jia will attach tequila law will love and Eliza says Allah hears the one who comes to arguing about her husband and complaining to Allah. So he says, I couldn't hear I was in the same room. She was literally in the same room behind the curtain I couldn't hear and Allah heard from over the seven heavens. Here we have another story of how to even have the ability that Allah azza wa jal expose the plot and nobody would ever have found out. Also we see over here that da is the weapon of the believer. Our Prophet says and
made a dua we mentioned it last Wednesday, he made the dua that Allah do not allow my plans to become known to them. This drug was answered, this drug was answered this was the real precaution. He made it to our to Allah Allah do not expose my plan to them. And Allah subhana wa tada answered that door, and the plan was not exposed, also, of the benefits of the story. Look at how Allah worked, what he wanted to do, if Allah had wanted to, a lightning bolt would have come out and struck the woman.
If Allah had wanted to, the Earth would have opened up and the woman had fallen down, if Allah had wanted to the camel would have lost in the desert, and she would have died of thirst.
Correct. But Allah azza wa jal wants you to do as much as you can, and he will do the rest. Allah wants to see from us our efforts, and then he will take care of the rest. So even when Allah is intervening directly, he still wants us to do the rest of that. You see the point here, that the Prophet says that I'm had to go send people stop the girl searcher, then bring her back, and some handler, this is the son of Allah, even when Allah is going to help, you still have to stand up and run, you still have to physically exert yourself, Allah is not going to help you, by you, when you sitting on your behind not doing anything. You want to laws help you have to give 100% then you put
the rest in a law. And this is what we see clearly from the miracle of revealing how things plot that even the miracle was just enough that okay, call us here. Now you do the rest. And why is this? Because Allah azza wa jal wants to see who does versus those who do not do. And
another benefit over here is that
the penalty for treachery and for treason is death. The penalty for treachery and treason is death. And that is clearly shown in Omar. The second question that is sent Yasuda law he has betrayed us, let me execute him. And this is the general rule across all countries and nations. This is the agreed upon rule that still is applied to this day across the globe, even in this land in America. As recently as 50 years ago, the Rosenbergs were executed husband and wife, couple were executed for selling pieces of paper to the Soviet Union. They were given the death penalty for selling pieces of paper. That's it, they sold pieces of paper, and this was deemed to be worthy of the death penalty.
And the judge famously remarked that you have done something worse than murder, I would have given you a lighter penalty if you had murdered somebody. So nobody can come and say Islamic laws are barbaric. The reality is treachery and deceit is not considered to be an excusable offense, really, in hardly any nation state including this country of ours.
Now there's a lot of controversy and fifth books.
Can the treacherous person be forgiven or not? There's a lot of controversy if somebody is treacherous to the Muslim state. And he sells the secrets and this is obvious we're talking about a hypothetical Muslim state if there's a Muslim who is living in such a state, and he betrays the trust of the state, and he sells the secrets, or he tells about the plans, can he be forgiven or not. And many scholars say he cannot be forgiven and ignore him argues that it is up to the ruler. If the ruler wants to forgive like the process of him he can forgive. But other scholars argue the process of only for gays because of the Battle of butter. And the Battle of butter is something
specific to 313 people. And therefore anybody else will never be excused for that crime, because the crime of how it was only forgiven in light of the Battle of butter, and who can then compete with the Battle of budget. So the majority opinion is that not the majority say a large group says that there is no repentance for the spy and a minority or a slight
lesser than 50% maybe argues that no, it is up to the Khalifa. And Abraham is of this opinion as well. We also benefit from this, the humanity of even the Sahaba.
Even the Sahaba are humans and a birdie, a person who participated in the greatest battle in Islam can fall into such a major error. And this gives us hope, because all of us are sinners, all of us are sinners, and who amongst us can claim to be sinless? If even though Sahaba fell into mistakes and errors, and yet Allah forgave them? When they repented, then how about us as well? And, in fact, Allah azza wa jal describes this act of God Allah so a Sabine, he has gone far away, but Allah did not call him a cafard. Allah did not strip away a man, Allah said he has gone far away. And therefore this was a major sin, but he did not become a non Muslim because of it. We also see over
here the Forgiving nature of the prophets of the law, why you sell them he is defending the life of how to and he does not allow Omar to execute how to and of course we see as well the nature of Omar and of course, Omar we understand his sternness, but we need to understand that sternness was coming out of a love of Islam, that strictness was coming to protect Islam. Omar wanted to make sure that nobody would do this again. And his strictness was a mercy to the oma when the oma needed it. Right? We needed Omar at times, and at times the strictness of Omar will not work with with the people below him. Sometimes you need soft on 70 strict and Allah gave the oma or muhabbat when they need it
would have been a hot pop. And if you notice, it wasn't the time of summer that most of the conquest took place. Right. That was the time of Roma, if not hot top. And we also benefit from this, that
we judge people based upon the sum total of who they are, and what are they doing. We judge people based upon their good and their bad, and not just their bad. And this is a very important point that we look at what people are doing. We look at overall are they doing a positive impact or a negative impact? And the righteous person who commits one error or a mistake is not the same as the sinner who is a habitual sinner and commits the same mistake. This is like the story of the boy who cried wolf, right? Somebody who never cries wolf when he cries wolf Once you accept him you trust him, but the one who is always crying wolf, what's going to happen? He will not be treated like the one who
never Christ. And in fact, there's a hadith that supports this incident. Aveda would our Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam said after you do the will Hey, hey, RT Arthur RT him. Okay, do they will hate it after all to him, which is a very beautiful Hadith, which translates as
the people of nobility, when they fall into a mistake, then cut them some slack. I'm translating, you know, not literally. but you get the point here, right? The people of nobility, though will hate acts, the people of Sharon, the people of statue statue in your community, when they commit some type of error. When they slip, then cut them some slack. This is a hadith and Sunnah who would. And this shows us that when a person of stature of nobility, not necessarily a person of religiosity only, but there are people that are movers and shakers of the community. There are people that are the finance seers of the massage and the community centers, they might not be the people of
knowledge, but they are they will pay at they are the people of stature in the community. Right? though people who have done something positive value for the community, they do something wrong, the process themselves, basically, which is overlook it, and he cut them some slack. And this shows us exactly what we see over here. And that is we look at the overall positive and negative. And we do not judge somebody looking only at the negative. And this is one of the most common problems in our times, and that is that we are blind to the good that somebody is doing. And if a person falls into an error, hair loss, the whole world stands up and doesn't sit down the whole world becomes a critic
and this is especially true. And I have to say this even though I'm a part of those who are being attacked in this regard, but it's shallow. It's not for me I'm not doing this for my ego or suffering or whatnot. But the scholars and the students have knowledge and the duality of the world. It's not possible except that they will make some mistakes. After all they're talking every day of their lives almost right now Masha Allah
What do they do except talk, talk, talk talk, right? And these days, their talks are permanently recorded. Correct. These days, everything they do gets onto YouTube gets onto this and that. And it is impossible that somebody who has 1000 hours or 500 hours or 100 hours, that you're not going to find something that is clearly a major mistake, and some minor mistakes and some slips of the tongue. Correct, right. And some of these mistakes will be genuine mistakes, meaning he messed up. After all, he's human. So for somebody to now go and collect those errors, and say, Oh, look, he must appear, he must have they're all i this shows, honestly a disease of the heart, you do not see
the overall here is the shift that has 1000 lectures. And you go and find 20 minutes, five minutes, three minutes, even if he's wrong, in those three minutes, look at the good that he's done, and see the positive and the negative, and will likely This is something that clearly in our times, we have this issue and problem. But for those of us that inshallah want to follow, the sooner we are told, look at the good, and how it is judged in light of who he is, in light of the fact that he is a a buddy.
Also another benefit that we get from the story of how to is we confirm reports. It is amazing that the woman has the letter, and the evidence is quite literally in the hand of the prophet SAW Selim. And yet he still calls out and says, Did you do this? Think about that. Think about that. Everything. I mean, he forget the lady and forget the electric Jubilee and has told him how he has done this. Do you need any more evidence? Right? gibreel has told him how he has written the letter. And given it to such and such a lady go stop the lady. You don't need any more evidence. yet. He still calls Halton. And he confirms Do you think the Prophet system doubted that helped him did it?
Of course not. Julian has told him everything. I mean, that's it, you don't. But why is he doing this for us? To verify to us, when we hear such things, even if the evidence is in your hand? confirm 100% then look after how to confirms literally the evidence is in his hand, the handwriting of how to write everything the ladies has had them send me the money, everything. Still, he then asks how to for
explanation, which shows us what it shows us what
give a chance, what is the other party going to say?
Here their point of view? Even if how they did it? What is his reasoning for having done it? What is his circumstance? Perhaps there's a reason we don't understand. And this also shows us therefore, that
just because you confirm a person did something, without hearing his side of the story, don't pronounce the final verdict. verify what was the cause? What was the reason for this? And this shows us one of the major differences in Islamic law. And most of Western law, especially American law, even British law, Western law, this is a side tangent here. But by and large Western law is codified. It's canonized, which means that the judge will open up the book and say, okay, you are guilty of this in this crime. And the law has mandated that you will get between 100,000 and 150,000. Fine. And between five years and 10 and seven years, let's say right, you get my point
here. It is mandated. And the judge has no power. If the jury has said you are guilty, the judge has no power to get rid of those
punishments. He understand he only has very minor fine tuning between 100 150, let's say, right, between five years to seven years fine tuning, but it is canonized, everything is set in stone. You cannot go out of it. And if it goes out, you're inventing a new law basically. Otherwise, if there's a precedent established every pre law school and every lawyer knows this, once the precedence is established, 99% of judges will follow that precedent and they will stick by it once it's done. It's done. Now in the Islamic system, which is very different, the call the not so call the the call the the call the will look at the human factor.
Islamic law through most of its time was not canonized.
And this is a wisdom of the Sharia. Islamic law was not canonized. Why? Because people have different reasons for doing crimes, and sometimes the extenuating circumstances
Really and truly absolve the liability upon this person. And there are so many cases. And there's actually a strong movement here in America as well, to mean the classic cases, the three strikes, and you're outlaw in in California, right? One of the most barbaric laws in this country, three strikes, and you're out three offenses of any type, and you will be given life in jail. And sometimes these offenses are quite literally, you stole a bike, and you punch somebody and you did this and that three minor things, and the person is now going to jail for life. Because they have established this law since whatever the 80s or 90s, I forgot when, and tell us that's it three
strikes and you're out. And there are hundreds, if not 1000s, of cases where the judge himself has said, I'm sorry, I wish I could help you. But you know, I can't control the law. The law says this, and that's it. And that's why Islamic law generally did not canonize. Now, it did canonize in the last period of the Ottoman Empire. And then it that was a failure. They did the kanoon. They did the tanzimat reforms, it is called the tanzimat reforms. They tried to canonize Islamic law. But it didn't quite work that way. The British also tried to do, by the way in India in the 1800s. But that too, did not work. It wasn't successful. And this is one of the reasons back to the story of how to
that there are extenuating circumstances, and the judge sees the humanity of the person, maybe there's a reason and whatnot, and has the discretion what to do in this regard. Another benefit that we gained from the story of how to is that when the processor asks him, why did you do this and Omar is there with the sword to execute him? How does not plead for his life? How to have does not say spare me how to does not say, you know, don't kill me how to is arguing to defend his he man not to defend his life. As a panel of this really shows us he was a man of a man.
He was more concerned about his he man, then he was about his life. When Omar is saying, Let me kill this coffee. What irritated him was not the killed part. It was the coffee the part, the munaf part. And his whole paragraph that I recited to you was what Yasuda? La I'm still the same person. You know? sutala I don't have any desire to become a cafard Yasuda law, I knew Allah would protect you. Not once does He say spare me. In fact, most likely how they thought he would be executed. And he's resigned to that fate. What he's worried about is to be labeled A caffeine. And he's pleading to be labeled a Muslim, and will lie that shows his Eman. The concern is not the knife or the sword. The
concern is you had a pseudo lime still the same person. I have no desire to embrace schofer after Allah has guided me to Islam, I have no regard for copper. He says this, I have always been a Muslim. And so this shows us the demand of healthy women, Abby belta, he's going to die from his opinion. He wants to die in Islam.
Also, we see over here, the softness of aroma as well. That instantaneously from the anger of wanting to kill how to when the process of them says to him that what do you know what do you know Omar? Omar means quite literally, how do you know anything? What do you know Omar? Allah looked at the people of butter and said, Do whatever you want, I have forgiven you. And that one phrase causes the anger in Omar to completely dissolve and he begins crying from that anger. We Omar as being a very harsh and strict man. The fact of the matter is, he had a very tender heart as well. Under that, harshness was a very soft heart. And Omar began crying and he is crying. It does not mention
why he is crying. But perhaps he is crying because he himself his ability. And the blessing that he has just heard is overwhelming. Or he might also be crying because he is saddened at his or he is like repenting from his own quickness to kill Helton. And he just hears that Allah has forgiven him and he wants to kill him. So we don't know the exact reason but it became so emotional. This one phrase that over begins to cry when he hears what the prophet sallallaahu Selim has to say. Another benefit from the story of how to is that when the Prophet says Adam said let's go to Allah Hira. Nobody should criticize health after today. Then how to blues for another 22 years. And never once
does anybody utter against him. Oh, this is the trader. Oh, this is the one who did such and such. No
Once the processor has says do not say good about him, sorry, do not say anything but good about him. Once he has said this, hello us somewhere in our outliner Can you imagine what type of leader must the process have been? To have so much respect that for 22 years as long as healthy lives forget, 22 years up until now, nobody criticizes how we excuse him, we sympathize with him. Why? Because our professors that have said, Nobody should say anything bad about how to Subhan Allah, what amazing respect that Rasulo system has amongst the Muslim oma, that once he has said this, how thieves huge crime actually becomes something that we overlook. And we say nothing but good about
how to be better. Also,
we have one final point, which is really a long one, I'm going to try to finish this in at least 10 minutes and then move on to one more incident.
The story of health has taken on a huge controversy, especially in modern times.
And the controversy
the status now you have to pay attention to this as a theological controversy. And it deals with modern politics and political issues and also deals with the jihadist movements as well. And that's why it's very controversial.
The issue is
the status of the Muslim who helps an enemy against other Muslims, clear.
The status of a Muslim who helps an enemy who is invading the Muslims
helps the enemy in that invasion.
Because that's what health is doing. How is giving away the secrets? Right? How is basically giving away the secrets and helping the enemy against Islam. Now, how did himself nobody ever considers him to be a non Muslim because the process of them testified? So how is Sahabi robiola? One, the process of them forgive him? The question is somebody else who does it, not how to how to be happy, it'll be a loved one. The question is, what about somebody in our times if he were to help, an invading force, and this invading force is invading a Muslim land, and this Muslim helps him, maybe even as a part of that army, you understand we're getting more and more political over here, right? Maybe
sells them things, maybe works for them or their defense forces, or maybe does this and that or he's a computer programmer working for that, you know, the whole issue here comes in. And there is a whole spectrum of opinion. But there's two primary opinions here. The first opinion is the more stricter one and that is, anybody who helps an invading force against a Muslim nation and land, that person has become a fiddle, by that action.
And their primary evidence is sort of in my diverse 51 certainly my diverse 51 woman yet to what level men come for in who men whom whoever allies with them, shall be one of them.
Woman yet to go home and cook for no man whom whoever becomes an ally to an invading force to enemy of alone, his messenger will become one of them. So this group says, Therefore, anybody who helps an invading force, and betrays the Muslims, that action of his is an action of gopher in and of itself, equivalent to worshipping an idol, equivalent to disrespecting almost half
equivalent to a stop for a while cursing alone is messenger. Clear? Right. And this is the position of
many of the medieval scholars and in particular, it is the position of Mohammed Abdul Wahab, Sheikh Mohammed Abdul Wahab and the later scholars of the nejc de da. This is a very common position of their so much so that in his famous book chef Mohammed Abdul Wahab, he wrote many books and of those boxes on the wall that actually are the 10 things that negate one's Islam. And the eighth number on this list of 10 is to aid the kuffar against the Muslims to aid an enemy force basically against the Muslim. This is a knock on the walker than a man which basically means it destroys a man.
And this was also the opinion of the Egyptian Chef machaca Rahim Allah
Allah, the famous Mohammed who passed away in 1927, or something 1930. Basically, in the early part of the last century, I'm a jacket shakaama jacket was obviously alive during the time of the British occupation of Egypt. Many people don't know this, and it's a some of these facts need to be said very clearly that Egypt was invaded by England, and England ruled Egypt, directly and indirectly, for almost a century. First, Napoleon invaded in 1792, then Napoleon fled back and left literally, overnight, he became scary, we basically just abandoned it. And then the Brits invaded, the Brits overtook the country, and then they ruled it. And eventually, King photo was overthrown because he
thought it was going to be a vassal of the British. We talked a little bit about this in the 1914 lecture, the point being that machaca was alive at that time, and machaca rotoflex fatwa that anybody who helped the British in any fashion or form, even by speech, that he approved of the British rule, or he did anything, such a person was a car for Moodle, Ted.
And either he's very ignorant and alone might excuse him, or he will accept Islam again and repent, otherwise, this person is a muted, who has left the fold of Islam.
And that's a very harsh position. And it is a position that is held by many scholars in the past and in the present. Some amongst them, this group, some amongst this group, and this is very popular in later niche, the circles, they separate between two concepts of one Li and voila. And they say one Li and voila, are two separate things is very advanced stuff. I don't want to confuse you too much. But they say there are levels of cooperation, let me put it this way. There's a higher level and they call it a worldly and that is Kufa and there's a lower level called Malala. And that is not good for and they give examples that are worldly would be to fight in the army, or to be a spy
Malala is to sell fruits and vegetables to the army. Let's say right, they're coming through your town and you sell them fruits and vegetables, that's not going to make you a coffee. That's a major sin. That's why Allah okay. So they distinguish between two worldly and morula. Now, this is an opinion and
this group would say that how to was forgiven specifically, because of his status had better
you understand this point? How to be is a specific case, you cannot make chaos on anybody else. Nobody else will be forgiven like how to. And this is the position of as I said many scholars including any very respectable and famous scholars, my own teacher, chefs, women, everything that I'm allowed to either share heaven because the previous Grand Mufti, this is the standard position of the later in the hour. And that is that any type of support to any
army or whatnot is good for Akbar. It is good for it's not a sin. It is Cofer, and you are not a Muslim anymore.
There are other opinions as well. It's not the only opinion in the book and share Colosseum in Tamil Rahim Allah tala had another opinion. And his opinion was that
if a person aids such an army, for a personal reason and not a religious reason, it is possible that that is a sin and not Cofer. Now, we all agree both sides of this group, that anybody who aids
the enemy of Allah, out of a love for the enemy, because he's the enemy, and out of a hatred of the Muslims because they're Muslim. Well, then this is Cofer simply by these emotions in the heart.
Even if he sat at his house and didn't do anything, we would say if you want the enemies to win over the believers, simply because these are enemies, and these are believers, then this is for October. Is that clear? Right? If a person has this type of notion, then this is good for anyway. But what if somebody is helping for a personal reason, and even taymiyah says, And for those of you who are advanced students of knowledge and you're interested in this stuff, much more fatawa volume seven page 523 in Tamia says, it is possible that a person loves these enemies for family reasons, or for another Muslim, another worldly benefit. And this would be a sin that diminishes his Eman and would
not make him a coffee.
As what happened to help him in the bathtub when he warned the
About the invasion of the Prophet system, and for which Allah revealed sort of minimum tahina. So how does it potamia interpret the story of how to that how to committed a sin, and not Cofer. Why? Because he didn't want to help the orange because he loves the orange because the orange idol worshipers had he wanted to help the orange because the Quraysh were idol worshippers, then this is good for colors, and the story, but he wanted to help them out of a love for his mother out of a love for his children. And so he preferred the love of his children over the privacy of Allah and His Messenger in this regard, ie the secret and this is a major sin, but he did not do an act of
Kufa. He did not and this is the whole paragraph of how the if you look at it, what is he saying that Yasuda I have no desire to commit go for the attitude, Allah, I'm still who I am yada, yada. I'm still a believer, His heart is still full of a man. And therefore, this is a very controversial, you know, why is this controversial in our times? Because the fact of the matter is that
a lot of the fitna and facade happening in our times in Syria, especially in Iraq,
in many other lands, what happened as well in Afghanistan in the 80s?
Was that this rule? Well, firstly, as a general rule, almost all of the quote unquote jihadist groups and when I say jihadist By the way, it's not a derogatory term. I this is just an academic term that is used to describe them. They are groups that are involved in this understanding of jihad. I don't view killing innocent people as jihad. This is not jihad. But these people have their versions and understandings. And they're called the jihadist groups, right? We all believe as Muslims in legitimate jihad, which is a Jihad for the sake of Allah and His Messenger, we don't believe in the Jihad that these groups do, which is innocent killing and bombings and whatnot, these
jihadist groups, as a general rule, all of them follow the stricter positions about tech field, they love the issue of tech fear, that fear means what? calling a Muslim a Kaffir as a general rule of thumb, that jihadist groups are also tech Fie groups, that they're very quick in making tech fear. Anybody who doesn't agree with their version of Islam, he's not just a bad Muslim, he's a Kaffir. Not just a comfortable enough, not just to not feel comforted, not just the more that he is the
any, he's helping the Muslim Caliphate against the Muslim. Now, regardless of what the theoretical understanding of how the story is, the problem comes when you take this theoretical understanding. Even if you follow the position of Mohammed nanohub, let's say right, and I don't have a problem, theoretically, with Mohammed bin Abdullah house position. The problem comes when you cut and pasted from the book, and you apply it to your group. So your group becomes Islam. And another group that is praying, practicing following the shediac, four or five times solder, avoiding the major sins, because they don't agree with you, they become Catholic.
Right. And they might help another group against you. And this is what's happening in Syria, by the way, right? In Syria. We have the fanatical jihadist groups, and we have the moderate groups. They're both combined in fighting against the Tao, who's the founder of our times, they're both combined against fighting against him. Correct. Now, what happens, one group might not might one group does go to excessive violence, shooting and killing and, and killing innocent people. So another group, which is also fighting, Bashar Assad will come and say, guys, stop, if you don't stop, we're gonna have you force you to stop. And they might bring in another Force and Army and
stop the more fanatic group. You following so far? Right? I obviously don't want to mention names at this stage. But you understand, theoretically, what I'm saying, then what's going to happen? The more hardcore the more fanatic group is going to invoke this principle.
And they will say, you have aided a Muslim group
by appealing to the UN, let's say, okay, so you are cafard, multi ball medela munafo. So you are allowed to kill, and then they start killing one another, which is exactly what's happening. And you know, if you're following the news, you know, exactly which groups I'm talking about here. Right. There are moderate groups that want to fight the toll booth and they're not killing innocent people. And then you have the fanatic takfiri groups that are also fighting the tacos, but now there's fighting other Sunni groups as well. And they're using the story of how to as one of the main evidences and the whole issue of underwater Islam and the eighth principle of, you know, the
navicula Shara and they're simply cutting and pasting and they're saying this is nakasendo aka Islam and
This type of fanaticism, and this type of basically, extremist ideology is more dangerous for the oma, more dangerous for the oma than the invasion of the non Muslims to Muslim lands.
And this is really one of the biggest battles that we are waging from within now. That when we and I am one of them, who criticizes these extremists, immediately the reaction comes that Oh, you must be supporting the kafir. So you are cafard. Right. And, of course, I have been made tuxedo of at least 100 times by now, from these groups, even though I have said a million times that we all agree that the foreign policy of this land is the greatest source of the anger and the terrorism. We all agree, I have said this multiple times, that the reason why people are so angry is because of what this land has done in those countries. There is no justification. But their anger must be expressed in a
legitimate manner. And if they were to express it in a legitimate manner, we will support but if you're going to kill innocent people, you're going to bomb indiscriminately, no, this is not jihad, that Allah and His Messenger have laid out. So when we try to correct this and others try to correct it, Halas immediately, we become helping the calf and why because we're somehow criticizing them. So they begin to represent the religion of a law. And to dare criticize them it is as if you're criticizing Alan, His Messenger, right? And this type of perverse mentality Honestly, it is the essence of cottage ism, it is the essence of what how the Giants viewed themselves. We are the true
people, everybody else is confident enough. And unfortunately, the issue of basically the story of how ultimate whatnot is used in this regard. In any case, we also need to point out that by unanimous consensus of all the scholars of Islam, of all the scholars of Islam, a person who commits an act of Cofer doesn't necessarily become a cafard.
A person who commits an act of Cofer does not necessarily become a cafard, you might have extenuating circumstances, you might have something called tat wheel. That will means you have some perverted logic and how the story is the best example of this. How to pack wheel and wheel means perverted logic, perverted logic, here is what how I felt a lot is gonna protect you out of school of law. I just want to protect my family. This is not crucial. It's wrong, but it's not Cooper. And his that when was valid to excuse Cooper from him. You see my point here, right? Or another extenuating circumstance would be complete ignorance, somebody can be jotted, and Allah will excuse
complete ignorance. So there is an example of the man the process of him said, the man who was a sinner his whole life, then when he died, what did he tell his children burn my body into ashes and distribute the ashes because I don't want a lot to resurrect me.
So he felt by doing this, he could outwit Allah. So a lot gathered the ashes said goodbye. akun demand is in front of him. Allah says, Why did you do this? And the man said, I was scared of you. Oh Allah. So Allah forgave him because of that fear. Even though what he did is an act of gofer because what is what did he do? He thought he could outsmart Allah. Right? But you cannot outsmart Allah. Why did Allah forgive him ignorance, ignorance, or you could be forgiven because of because of what else being forced the story of our mighty vinyasa, a mighty vinyasa what happened with our might have been Yes.
The Prophet system asked him when he was forced to bow down to the idol to praise the idol. How was your heart? And he said, multiple lyndonville Emma, my heart is still firm in the faith. So the President said in Urdu followed, if they return, you return as well. He did go for but he didn't become a Catholic, because he is forced, right. So the problem with these groups is that they honestly are overzealous fanatics, when it comes to everybody is a cafard. And they have tendencies of hardage ism in them, how they view other Muslims, how they're willing to kill other Muslims. And that is why I felt very important to because they use the story of how to overhear that they say,
and their their evidence is that Omar assumed him to be accounted for, because of what he had done. This is their evidence, right? Because what Omar say, Omar said allow me to execute this munafo because he has got caught up in law, he was really and they say the processing was silent. Silence is his approval, and therefore he agreed the action was an action of copper. Okay, so this is the evidence that this group uses and in response, we say that is an interpretation and it might be a valid interpretation, even to our friends.
lean towards inventory meters. But I admit there's a legitimate difference of opinion. And I respect Mohammed Abdullah Hub's position and the position of his school after him, I respect that they have the right to hold that position. But we say you cannot just copy and paste from a book and then apply it to your group and expect your group is Islam in your group is representing Allah and His messenger. This is the essence of fanaticism. And these groups have caused more tension and damage to the oma even then the invading forces have caused and this is the reality that I personally believe in. In any case, this is the story of how to be an avatar I wanted to move on but we have
already finished our time inshallah, we will continue with the story of the conquest of Mecca, inshallah Tada, next Wednesday, are there any questions about the story of how to, before we conclude for today? Any questions about the story of how to even be better than Photoshop?
So the brother says, How about using the kuffaar army to conquer a Muslim lands army? See, in my opinion, after all of these questions, at a theoretical level are easy to discuss. Then at a practical level, you get into so many other variables. At a theoretical level, we can say anyone who is willing to kill others that believe in the same faith that he does, by using people who do not believe in his faith and he does it for Dean sorry for dunia. He does it for man he does it for a job. There is no doubt that this is Cofer, in my humble opinion, this is a wildly that you are preferring a person's
How do I phrase this, you are willing to sacrifice La ilaha illAllah, Muhammad Rasulullah and turning to those who have rejected this in order to fight somebody, for a religious or sorry for a worldly reason, but the problem comes, there is no real life scenario that is that simple. In the real world, you have a million other factors. And I do not want to go into specifics. But I challenge you to think of look at what's happening now. One Muslim country is helping another Catholic country to against another Muslim country. And then the other Muslim countries opposed the other Muslim countries. They're each one of them has Muslim has CRC Yeah, each one of them has
political reasons. None of these players by and large really care about the religion when they do these things.
None of them is doing it for the sake of the religion.
Had they been fighting a Muslim for the sake of religion? There is no question in my mind. This is good for upper management and Milla. No question you're gonna turn to I do Allah to fight against worry Allah because this person is a believer. And because the other is a non a non Muslim. This is no doubt that you have loved this is totally This is the essence of totally. But if you look at how the story how they did not love Cofer and hate Islam, how they loved his mother, and wanted to protect her.
The Hackett loves his kursi.
He's not doing it because he hates Elon is messenger. Not that I'm saying they're almost over the non Muslim. The Hakeem has other problems, Aslan, they're not ruling by the shady AI, which is a bigger problem than this whole issue. But my point is in the real world, there is no cut and dry scenario. And that is why I find it problematic to discuss such matters purely at a theoretical level. And I think one of our biggest problems is that these jihadist groups are all jihad. They don't have Roma amongst them, we know this, they don't have an AMA amongst them, they read a book, and they assume the book applies to them.
And the job of the key is not to read a book, The job of the key is to apply the knowledge to the real situation. The four key is not Google that you cut and paste. The four key is a person who thinks correct. The fuck is stumbled on him, the one who extracts the ruling. And the problem is when you speak in theoretical levels, did you have these groups? Here's the theory and then thinks it is cut and paste for his reality. You see the point the point here, right? So in my humble opinion, Effie, we leave theory as theory and we don't extract it into reality without going to a property henna chef and an alum and then you know, mentioning exactly the scenario and situation and
then getting the fatwa from him. Okay. Let me just say as I said, fighting Islam, for Islam is good for a couple.
This is unanimous, but fighting a
Muslim for a dunya we reason is not good for Akbar necessarily. Is that clear? This is good for us.
This is Kabir amin al Kaba
as our process that I'm said that the Italian was abomasum for Italian cuckoo for everybody knows for us out here. You fight a Muslim for money. This is good for us Allah. You fight a Muslim for courtesy for CSR, this is good for us.
But you fight a Muslim because he's a Muslim. This is good for Akbar.
Okay, yes, followership is really going to raise a lot of issues I know. But, yes, welcome back from your long journey. And you now come at the most interesting time when we need to hear your voice further.
Of course, this is totally theoretical and has nothing to do with the country you're from, or the current situation of what is happening or even yesterday's news, of course, completely theoretical abstract country. Suppose there was an Islamic party that came to power suppose the army came and took them away, suppose Yes, okay, suppose Go ahead.
What's concerning me is that
the theory will not remain theory
And I'm seeing this as a case of the second rule that you gave that.
You said that fighting a Muslim for the for the sake of beings
than fighting a Muslim for the sake of
This is like
it's not, you know, fully grown out of it.
So if you can elaborate on this issue, especially this Islamism issue, because people think,
but again, says here's the point now you're getting you're asking a question that is so loaded with modern issues, you cannot avoid answering without being realistic about the situation and scenario and will lie here the situation is too complex for a simple two minute fight to and very bluntly, this situation is far bigger than me to comment on it. Well, I, this is a situation that your own scholars of your land, and the scholars of the Middle East themselves are embroiled in, in Gulf often. And this is a time of fitna, you have people of knowledge differing in their analysis. And we don't doubt the man of anybody who has demonstrated that he has semen right? We don't doubt the the
the Islam of the one who shows his Islam outwardly. At the same time. Well, I don't know what to tell you. All that I can say is, this is a time of fitna and fall ball. This is a time of great chaos. And
it is always better to err on the side of caution when it comes to tech feed.
This is the general rule. Yeah. My dear brothers and sisters, keep your mouths quiet if you if you can, rather than say so and so is a coffered our Profit System said mankad le e cafe, cafe falcoda huduma. Whoever Muslim caused another Muslim a cafe, the label will apply to the one of the two if it will not apply to him, it'll come back to you.
And I think one of the biggest problems we have is we're so obsessed. Is this group covered or not? Is this group Muslim or not? Is this group and this is you know, whether they're, you know, Jani Islam, Mr. quani, or Sufi or a shadier Sufi or who yourself he or she Subhana Allah, just let's move above all of these labels and judge people. Firstly, only those who are qualified to judge should judge
said secondly, yes. Secondly, only those who have a reason to judge should judge there are some people who need to judge there are some people who are really managed and they need to judge for the most of us the average person amongst us. The general rule is very simple. Take the Hadith of the process and the Sahaba ha de mon Sol la sala tena was stuck Baraka, Bella tena wakatobi hatena. Further, the common Muslim law has emerged to lie within Maduro Sudhi whoever prays the salah and faces the Qibla and slaughters according to our rituals, that is the Muslim and Allah says
Hold on that wallet hold anyone alcoholic como Sara Melissa momina. Don't say to the one who says Salaam to you're not a Muslim. So somebody says Sam assalamu alikum. And you see them in the masjid. And you see them praying and you see them doing the Shah of Islam. They are a Muslim, unless and until something happens that expels them from Islam, which is just as certain as the certainty that put them into Islam, ie you saw them worshipping an idol, for example, out of willingness to worship the idol. Otherwise, the safer rule, the average Muslim deals with anybody who claims to be a Muslim as a Muslim, and Allah will not punish you. If you say Oh Allah, I didn't know he was a cafard. I'd
rather err on the side of caution. And you were quiet, and Allah might punish you, if you call other people cafard when they're not to catfish, so to err on the side of caution is better. This fitna, no doubt, you know, where my sympathies lies have been very explicit in them in the whole division in the Druze, no doubt, you know, my sympathies lie. Yet we also know for a fact that there are people on the other side who have a love of Allah and His Messenger, who are praying, who are reading the Quran. Yet, for some reason, some that when they feel such an animosity to this group, not because of the religion, but because of whatever politics or whatever the perception they have.
And this is something you know, and I know, correct. So let's not bring in Cofer and Eman into this equation. And actually hope but I gave about Egypt, I was very clear about this, that both sides have their wheel as long as the people involved are practicing Muslims. We're not talking about the secularist Camp oslon. We're not talking about those who don't want us learn Islam that they have self proclaimed themselves what they are, we're talking about the people that are praying and practicing on both sides. They have that we and we're lucky if it and while we are the Allahumma it was better for us to be quiet about the two of them. How about people after them? Right? Neither
side is going to reach the level of either ID and while we're correct. So they have good on this site, and they have some good on the other side. No doubt one of the two is closer to the truth. Yet even the one that is closer to the truth is not fully innocent. Each site has this problem. So we'll let you echo. Let's just keep the feet out of it. My whole point in going into this tangent was to demonstrate well many things of them is how modern political theory is based upon the sealer directly and how modern events are shaped by the syrup and of them as well as to show Look, there's not just one opinion of the story of how you have the position of Yes, it is true. Some scholars
have this position but you haven't been 10 minutes position as well. And every 10 minutes position in my opinion is more precise than the position of the later school. So I wanted to also demonstrate the diversity in that anyway, we have gone way beyond the time