Shadee Elmasry – S3 E1 Is Seeing Believing
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Ministry of Energy and modern human
beings As salam o aleikum wa rahmatullah wa barakato.
What's going on guys, welcome back to season three of the Safina
society podcast. We are joined today by our regular crew,
brother. Yes. And Dr. Shetty and we have joining us Nazmul Hassan
as well. You'll be hearing him and use of Hussein throughout the
season a little bit more along with Matthias.
So we'll talk about that in future episodes. Ben, Surely he's joining
us today for our episodes. So how you guys been? It's been like,
last time we actually recorded was what madman Luke's? Yeah, well, we
did the minimum Luke's I think we had a couple of solos in between,
but it's always good to get everyone together. Absolutely.
It's not easy to do in these podcasts getting everyone
together, but Hamdulillah.
And we have an episode coming out. Another solo one with Nazarene and
Dr. Share the on the problem of evil, I'm gonna say live on here
so they can be held to a date.
We're doing it Wednesday, right? We're doing Wednesday.
So I'm sure that should be that should be a good one, they're
going to be covering the problem of evil and theodicy. And I know
we've claimed to cover the problem of evil and two previous episodes,
but we don't think we did a good job on that. So we did a great
job.
We just started this season, and you're already wrong.
I don't think we did a good job. We did a great job, the skeptic
and atheist will never be satisfied. And that's why a lot
said about that use and home use I don't don't even ask because
you'll never be satisfied. Likewise, the issue of Kedah for
example?
No, no, you might be you might be thinking from the perspective of
the questioner. Yeah, I've seen these people before Muslims, who
approach the matter, not from an issue of submission and belief,
but from a rational basis. They never satisfied and the never
satisfied with God, or evil, right. And we say to them, you're
approaching it from the perspective of a Kaffir to be
honest with you, because Allah says lay use Amaya. So we already
know that the profit is the real only two questions or this is the
the really, really one question if you think about it, is the
prophesy seven true or false? Because if the prophets I said was
true in his claim, that means Allah exists, that means the Quran
and Sharia are all true. That's the only real question we need to
ask. Right? Yeah. Then part of the package is let us around Maya. So
that's absolutely Russia. I was having this conversation with
someone.
Recently ish convert, and he was saying, you know, there's some
issues that I come across. Sometimes I feel like, I'm not
sure about these things, right. And I said, well, listen, that's
forget about delving into the details of a fake ruling or
whatever. Do you believe that God exists? 100% Sure. That's not a
question. Right. So we passed that with him. Hamdulillah. And then
the next question was, What's better than Islam? What's more
believable? What's more rational? What makes better sense to you?
Any of these other religions? Would you rather be a Hindu
phobia? A Hadith and badDo? You mean, what are their beliefs?
Yeah, exactly. And he was like, yeah, absolutely. I said, Well,
that's all you really need to do. And then the rest of it is trust
in a lot and, you know, move forward and expect that if it's
not revealed to you in this life, it will be revealed to you in the
next so what Moyne men, which is I know what he meant, which is that
there are different angles to the question. Sure. And what you meant
is that the structure of how we structured it was more fluid than
systematic. Well, now we have shaken as well.
I'm not
sure what's your job? Actually. I'm
he's another IT guy. This is my first time. Bring it closer. How
was it your first time when you had a solo? Oh, yeah, I forgot.
I'm actually a software developer. Okay, that's good. I do the same
thing that we all kind of software. Do you develop? Video
games? No, no, not video games humbler? Video.
Just web applications like UI? Like What? What? Which one that
went out there those popular
monday.com None of my work is public. He works for Comcast. Oh,
use for that. Yeah. I thought you meant like some public stuff. I
mean, you and a bunch of DCI TP
neither did anything wrong. On the closest one to being an IT person.
Like you guys, I know. Sounds like a you know, it's like a designer.
I'm pretty close. I'm pretty close. Do you know that a world
without pain design would require so would require a complete
alteration of everything in the world.
Right? A world without pain would change everything. Right? Because
a world without pain would mean that they're on
no victors because one of the pains is the pain of loss, the
pain of defeat would be no victory. Right? There will be it
would necessitate no free will. Right? We don't necessitate no
free will. Because if there's no pain, there's no infliction of
someone doing pain on someone else. So you have to stop him from
having any free will to do that. So if you're going to stop that
you're going to stop every other free will. Right? All other if you
can't selectively stop free wills. Because if I do something, like
get a job over someone else, okay? I'm have my family celebrating his
family's crying, right? So if we eliminated that pain, you also
eliminated that happiness, the opposing happiness. So the so this
is what Nazmul what he's going to do is let's just say not as Can we
just say No? Way. Cool, then.
I've gone this long, as long as more people call me by my last
name, which is Hassan. Hassan. Yeah. They didn't even pronounce
that right.
Yeah, asanas? Something like that? No. So that's basically what what
noses done is structured. Shift No, and see without sure how
structured it right in different things. So I'm assuming that's
what you're talking about. Yes, that's what I meant. That's
obviously what I meant. Yeah. So continue on with your intro.
So, the the episode that we're going to talk about today, and the
topic that we're gonna talk about is, you know, why revealed
knowledge is greater than empirical knowledge and incident
that I'd like to talk about recently, that occurred, I mean,
Saad sent me a video. I think, last week, or a few days ago,
about a show we used to watch and it was about a villain, and he's
talking about ebooks right in the future.
And so it's actually an anime show called psychopaths. And it's a
it's a villain, who lives in the future, the show takes place in
the future, I'm not going to go into the background of the show,
but it's about ebooks. And he told me, he's talking about the concept
of ebooks. And the other guy's like, you know, I read everything
on ebooks. So the, you know, the villain makishima He says, you
know,
you know, I prefer to read, you know, unreal books, right? Because
real books have a feeling that the, that is beyond just,
you know, reading on a digital screen, right? The, the actual,
you know, smell of the paper, the tactile feedback of actually
reading, that even when you're reading a book, right? You may be
reading something, and you may not actually comprehend what you're
reading, but the tactile feedback of moving the pages of your mind,
you know, velocity of reading through the words makes a
difference sounds like a hipster hears
he was a psycho, but I mean, a lot of his points, you know, made a
lot of sense. And the reason I bring that example up is because
of this idea that you know, there are experiences and there is
knowledge that is beyond the empirical and that's why I brought
that example up, right? He's, he says that, you know, the,
the experiential knowledge is that's a type of knowledge that's
not empirical but we all admit that it exists and so one great
example that somebody posted in our notes is that take a person
that's colorblind right?
Let's you know, this woman she cannot see any type of color
all right.
So so she can't see she gets she's colorblind. And but she reads on
the study of the color red and studies up about it, she reads
about all of the different spectrums of light and she knows
everything there is to know about the color red, right? From the
wavelength it has to how it hits your heart, how it hits your eyes,
everything. Now nobody with you know, rational faculties would say
that let's say now this person goes from being colorblind to
being blind to go being colorblind to now being able to see in color
now she sees red is her knowledge of red different than than it was
before. That's totally different. That's why
it's experienced, whatever it may be, I think all human beings were
rational, who see this example can all accept that you know her
knowledge before and after is different right? So that so that
we can accept that you know, there is knowledge that is not
necessarily empirical to it right? And that's where I kind of want to
set the stage for the episode and where I kind of want to take this
as you know, what is the importance of revealed knowledge
and and it's not to throw out empirical knowledge because that's
important as well. But
so, let your friend unless you unless you unless you take like
Humes view
of scale of skepticism, where even empirical knowledge is not as is
not it's not solid. It's not what we what we think it is, right? So
according to Hume view, we should be skeptical even of the things
that we think are purely empirical, right, or sensory
perception. Yeah, because sensory perception relies on past
experience to give meaning to what we're experiencing in the present
and is limited to perspective. Of course, there's also the
assumption that what has happened in the past is going to happen in
the future, which is an assumption, which is an assumption
that not necessarily really has no basis, right. We're just, it's all
just speculative. So even empirical knowledge, it's all
based on this speculation that the, that the present and future
will resemble the past. And we only believe that because of our
experiences, not because of anything that concretely
verifiable empirical is the wrong name for empirical knowledge. So,
by empirical you're talking about observable sensory perception,
knowledge or sensory perception, which is basically that give an
example that of which can be dubious. You talk about, like, for
example, the shadow, I'll give, you know, I'll give a great
example for Muslims, right? So, empirically, you would say that
the sun always rise from the rises. That's a fact. It's a fact.
It's an empirical fact. Well, how do we know that? Because it always
has, yes. And then I saw do it again this morning. So for sure,
it's going to tomorrow until the day arises from the west. Yeah, so
that's the black swan case, right? The idea that swans are always
been defined as white birds with long necks, etc, etc. Until one
day in Austria, they discovered an actual Black Swan. Right? It's so
as a question, because I know more you made the distinction between
race something that you experienced, right, like in the in
the case of the woman being colorblind, her actually
experiencing the color red for the first time versus observable
phenomena? So how are the two distinct? Well, yes, and that
cares, right? Yeah, first of all the Muslims have so many
theologians put a great limit on the type of empirical knowledge
that is science, something as a fact, simply because it has always
happened, right. And we put that into balance, where it's not a
rational impossibility, that the reverse happens. So there's a big
difference between that saying that the sunrises from sun will
always rise from the east as a statement of fact, okay, and that
there's no such thing as square circles as effect, right? So the
one is logical, it's a rational impossibility, because it's the
two words are always built will be mutually exclusive, square and
circle. However, it's in the Quadro of Allah is in the power of
Allah to Allah to make the sunrise from the West, make fire, not
burn, make water not drown, make sugar, not sweet, that's possible.
And the other thing that comes from what you were just saying
that is that when you accept the so called empirical, empirical
worldview, you also automatically assign causation. And causation
can be randomness, it can be, you know, laws of nature are legit
laws of nature, right? That are unchangeable and immutable, but
they don't necessarily need to be Yeah, and you exclude the primary,
the true cause of all things almost. So I guess what I was
asking was, isn't isn't the woman right? In your example, and maybe
the example it's out of out of the scope of the example, but in the
woman observing the color red, isn't that an empirical
observation? Right, like she sees the color red, like how is that
not empirical? I think the the, it's not the observable
phenomenon. That's, that's the change in the knowledge. It's the
because she already knew everything there was to know about
the color red right before she even learned got to see it. So
technically, her empirical knowledge hasn't increased. She
already knew everything there was to know about red. It's only her
experiential knowledge of the color residence change. So you
know, how we would how we will put it, we will put it that there's
three types of knowledge. There's transmitted knowledge, rational
knowledge and sensory knowledge are observable knowledge and
transmitted knowledge can lend you knowledge of something.
Rational knowledge, okay, rational basis for that lens, use something
else. And then the finally seeing that lends you a different angle.
So what you're, what you're saying is now her transmitted knowledge
can only take you to a limit, right? And then once you add no
sensory perception to it, okay, you're adding a higher level. So
remember, the Zadie says someone who's heard about a fire
that there's a fire in the woods, someone who's seen it with his own
two eyes at someone who's felt the heat the three are different. And
in the Quran, we have I entered eliminating that you've heard
about something I end up in you've seen something and how clearly
you've experienced something and the highest is happily a clean,
but interestingly, a mammal has added carries on and he says that
even if someone possesses happily a clean, right, he's still limited
There's certain things he cannot do. For example, just because
you've experienced the year we've seen the color red or experienced
the heat of a fire doesn't mean we can teach a course on it. And vice
versa, right. So for example, the woman who studied everything about
the wavelengths of the color red and what it's doing all that she
could teach a course on it.
Even if you've never seen it, colorblind, however, the person
who because that's a core knowledge is the realm of
transmission.
Whereas just for seeing the color red doesn't necessarily mean we
could teach anything about it. So likewise, imamo has that he also
says that most Muslims know Allah experience experientially, but
they can't speak about Allah. And many items and scholars who have
been educated and young people who spent four or five years in the
madrasa can give you a lecture about Allah, and they have less
experience with Allah. So.
So that's how it is there a difference? And there are
superiorities in different ways. And this is where it's actually
linked to what we've been trying to say, for the last few years of
goof ism is that just because you have had an experience doesn't
mean you could talk.
Right? And just because you're talking doesn't necessarily mean
you're claiming an experience. Right.
I just want to go back to the the the example. It's called the Sally
and Sally and the color red. So if people want to look up, just look
up Sally and the problem knowledge on it. Yeah, it's a paper. Well,
the philosophers always tried to make the things sound like cute.
So Did Did I explain it correctly, though? I mean, what's the
difference between her knowledge, you know, like, as Saad said,
because now I'm curious about his question is, is it it's still
empirical knowledge going from,
you know, seeing the color and you know, not knowing about the color
and then seeing it isn't that still impure? It's still empirical
knowledge. But the point of that thought experiment was to show
that materialism is false, right? Because the materialist would say
that everything that you would need to know about the world is
contained with within like objects like, Okay, I have a question that
you probably came across in your rebuttals of these things. Yeah.
You just said that the materialist philosophy. Yeah. Which is, is
that everything that is knowable, is only knowable, empirically.
Right? How was that thesis proven? Empirically? It's not it's not I
was.
This is why this is why materialism like as a philosophy
is not I mean, it doesn't go anywhere, right? Because it's self
contradictory. The but that particular experiment was to show
that consciousness, right consciousness, we can all agree
something immaterial. Right? Right. Because it's not something
we can find under a microscope. It's not something we can sort of,
you know, like, oh, there's consciousness, go look it up.
There's also no effect no cause that can bring it into effect.
Right?
Right. And no material cause and for that matter, right, so this
example of Sally knowing everything about the color red,
but still being colorblind, it doesn't give her enough knowledge
for her to say, I know the color red, it's only when she's
conscious of it. Right? Only when she's constantly that she gains a
new knowledge, that's not material, you know what I mean? So
it's not material. So therefore, this type of experience, even
though it's empirical, it's, it's something, there's an added thing
to it, the conscious understand the conscious understanding, which
is not empirical. Now define for the audience? What? Because I know
some of them are going to be on Wikipedia, if they're really
how do you actually define empirical for a common person
who's listening? Or college freshman who's listening? How
would you define empirical empirical is just through the any
knowledge that comes to the five senses, okay, so that's what we
sensory. So the so the British empiricist. So this tradition of
empiricism comes through the British philosophers like Locke
and Hume and so on. They thought that human beings start off with a
blank slate. Right, right. And the outside world makes impressions.
So imagine the human mind is like, a, like a cushion. Yeah. And
impressions are like, you know, sort of put into this cushion. And
then that's how you sort of get experience, right? Yeah. And your
entire knowledge is sort of built off of this. But then, as Alex
pointed out, this leads to a denial of causation. It leads to a
denial of like, any type of rational thought, because if all
your knowledge is just coming from empirical, you know, just
empirical impressions, right? You saying that, okay, the ball
breaking the glass, is there's a cause between the ball and the
glass, right? Right. That's something you added in there,
right? That's not something you see empirically. Right? Say, say
that one more time, but someone's station No. saw the, you saw the
interaction. But you did not see that the ball, pause the grade,
right. You just see, then what would you say caused it could be
anything? No, no. So causation. It's
Alpha is something you can't like, get empirically. It's something I
forgot assertion. Yeah, it's something that it's something that
our mind puts there, right? It's so if your assertion of sorry,
it's like the Aristotelian assertion of gravity, right? Oh,
there's like a magical force, something. Some things are imbued
with levity, and others are imbued with happiness. And so, birds fly
in humans are stuck to the ground, because of like, an innate trait.
And that's the cause of it. And which philosophers recognize that
idea are admitted to that. Oh, that causation is philosophical.
Well, so like, the the the ones that the British empiricist? Yeah.
So I mean, they would say, themselves or so in that case,
well, then, this idea, this assertion of causation, our
children are born with it. So I'm gonna, we're gonna back up one
second, one second, so that we don't go so deep that people are
confused. So
somebody might listening might have to re listen to that last
like, five minute segment, just want to recap it. So can you
explain why there is no why there would be you know why this
causation is assumed once, for example, a ball hits hits a piece
of glass, right? Just then we'll get to what duction this point
was. So it's something that Alex mentioned previously, that all of
you so if you say if you say that all of your knowledge is
empirical, only if all we're only admitting empirical knowledge, and
nothing else to be served. Yeah. Yeah. In terms of reasoning, not
deductive. Exactly. So all your reasoning is inductive, right? You
there's no, there's no way there's no ground for you to make rational
conclusions. Right. Because all your reasoning is inductive. You
just see events, you know, a Cosby, a Cosby, Cosby, because
I've seen it the last 2000 times. Right. Right. But there's no,
like, you have to be skeptical. Right. There's no way that you can
have certainty. Yeah.
Yeah. iCj absolute certainty, right. Rice will always happen in
the future. Exactly. Okay. Now button, by the way, in Sharia
though. So, the theologians have separated things that theologians
hold. Right. And these are not contradictory points. The
theologians hold that you're right, that we don't admit this
causation, right, and that the fire can one day not burn, if it
allows it not to burn so that you return everything to Allah to
Allah. The jurists, however, hold something else that jurist holds,
that when we live in day to day life, that is admissible evidence.
And that's where it could become obligatory to seek medicine. If a
person didn't seek medicine for their child based upon this
thesis, they could be held accountable for homicidal neglect,
for example, right you're and the proof they have for this is that
Allah says in the semi well also the cruel animus ruler, which
means that Verily the hearing transmitted knowledge and what a
bust out of the seeing sensory perception and the heart around
reason, okay, all of this you can be asked about. So the Juris holds
that even though the theologians are correct, that this is not a
real causation. And it is only because Allah is the One who Allah
ordained that all the time, water will quench thirst, right? Or at
these times, so that you don't go crazy. He created certain causes
and effects that are predictable. So you don't go crazy. We believe
that and that there's the water doesn't have any causation and
itself knife doesn't have a causation itself, etc. However,
the jurists hold that they are actionable items, though, so that,
for example, if you don't observe something, if every day,
you know that gravity exists, and then I give you an iPhone, and you
stick in front of a toilet, and you say, well, the theologian
said,
might not happen this time judge will rule for Right, right. So
there's the main section that the audience should know. And that's
a, that's a completely irrational distinction, too, because
otherwise, nobody, nobody would be able to function on a day to day
level of like, Hey, I step out the door and I'm not going to fly into
the sky. So I'm never going to step out the door because out of
that fear, so you have to operate on those reasonable so then let's
make that clear to the audience that their their philosophical
discussions that that pertain to theology, right? And beliefs, and
they are oftentimes different. Okay, then what applies to the
Juris FIP and everyday actual living? So, I mean, you started
this off with I guess the the difference or the forget to Sally
thing
with the with the difference between revealed knowledge right
and empirical knowledge, so maybe
we can we can talk about the distinctions there and then kind
of that Yeah, that's so that was sort of my next point, which is,
you know, so then we understand what empirical knowledge and what
what is necessarily revealed knowledge is that knowledge for
example, that is from hadith is it knowledge that, you know, that we
take from any person in the past say, like, you know, the
scriptures of the Bible and the Torah or
Is it only the Quran like how do we understand revealed knowledge
and how do we differentiate? So revealed knowledge is under the
category of transmitted knowledge. So the automat place, all of
religion, Quran, Hadith, everything in the same category of
transmission, it's just that it's sacred and it's the the link ends
or rises to the heavens, right? Where so history, journalism and
Revelation are three transmitted knowledges. Now journalism is
everyday stuff, right? History is within you know, human behavior.
But revelation is a transmission going way back to a prophet to an
angel to Allah subhanaw taala. So for that reason, the Mohammed
defini they basically had to Thien Hadith scholars, and scholars in
general, historians and journalists have the same
principles. But you can imagine that the scholars of religion,
they apply those same principles of how to accept a transmission on
like steroids, because there's Heaven and * involved. So what
you're talking about in standards is reliability of sources, yeah,
of sources. So when it comes to the scholars, let's say a
memorable party, versus a top historian versus the top
journalist, the journalist will be considered the the thinnest of
threads needed to make an assertion, the historian will need
a thicker thread. But the Muhaddith like human body will
need a rope, right? Because now history doesn't affect your day to
day life. History doesn't affect whether or not you're gonna wear
hijab. Yeah. Right. That's a big deal. As affects my life. Is that
in fact, my life is salvific consequently, yeah. Right. And and
also not just salvific every day, right is study Quran language.
So everyday life is affected. So I could be really bothered. Think
about this. The trend, I think I talked about this before, the
transmission of one narration that is so basic could alter a woman's
life, for example, a very small thing. Women if they have a really
thick eyebrow, or it's connected a little bit, right. There is a
narration from epidemis owed. Okay, that states that
there's a narration that's where everything is owed. A woman had
had cleaned up her eyebrows, right. And they've been missing
food says Allah's Christmas baby. Right? And she said, How can you
say that when the Quran hasn't done that, right, said anything
like that? She said, because she was his watch front. And she was
coming in, and he forbid the wrong race that Allah
is cursed. So she says that in the Quran, she said it is he said, it
is because Quran says obey the Prophet. And he said, the prophet
never said this, right. And then he cited.
He cited something. But in fact, he cited something from himself
basically, how he understood it. The prophesy Saddam had set hadn't
had made a statement which he cited, which he understood as
including cutting the eyebrow hair, right? That's how he
understood it. Right? So now this is now transmitted, as the prophet
has cursed the one who trims eyebrows. So a Muslim girl, let's
say, is growing up, her eyebrows are a bit bushy. And
unfortunately, I don't have the exact saying, unfortunately, I
apologize because it's not on my mind right now. But she has had
the exact idea from episode. But it's that she now then will not do
this. And she will go to school, and she will be looked at and she
will be she'll feel weird because everyone else does it. Now,
that transmission is actually the magic is did not accept it.
Because they accepted the transmitter of mission of St.
Aisha, a woman outside Asia about to get married. Can I clean up my
eyebrows? Right? She said not only clean up your eyebrows, if you can
actually replace your eyes and put new ones.
But they do it. In other words, and there's multiple Hadith from
say that it's your permitting that Right, right. So that's an example
where a transmission a single transmission, okay, will have a
day to day effect on a person. And you might think, wow, what how is
this a big deal? Well, it is a big deal that's on your face. It's
part of your face, your face is a big deal. Right? So in the medical
school, it is permitted. The only time it's not permitted is in
dead, which is when mourning period after the husband dies,
right? That's the only time it's not permitted. And the intention
should be for the husband. In other words for to look good in
marriage. Right. But it's permitted throughout also, I mean,
I think another another
mic is about to fall over. So I feel like another benefit in
transmitted knowledge over MP
lyrical knowledge is just the time element, right? For example, I can
learn that fire is going to burn me by putting my hand in a fire,
right. And that's, that's an empirical method, I conducted an
experiment, I put my hand in a fire, and it burned. But that's
the hard way of learning something, somebody could tell me,
Hey, don't put your hand in that fire, it's gonna burn you. That's
a shortcut to that knowledge without having to go the empirical
route, right. And so that's actually a benefit that
transmitted knowledge has over empirical knowledge. Because I
don't have to arrive at that conclusion myself, that also
raises a point that I was going to make, which is that the vast
majority of what people are calling empirical knowledge is
actually transmitted, right? Yeah. And by the way, what you said is
very true. And it's what every parent says to their son, listen,
I've made these mistakes don't make these mistakes. Now, here's
something that's very important to know though.
Transmitted knowledge, even though it's a shortcut, it does sort of
in a sense, and
it does, in a sense handicap a person, because empirical
experiences
give a person stronger, deeper knowledge, more certain knowledge.
So why, why can Malcolm X go until gangsters to come off the street
and I can't write, because he's experienced, he knows how to
everything about saving all my hot dog was keenly aware of this when
he said, When he looked upon the born Muslim kids, teenage kids who
grew up in total Islam never seen an idol in their life. Never seen
COFA never had anyone throw a rock at them for being a Muslim, never
saw a sword being pulled out on them. He looked and he worried,
right? He worried right? And he said, Islam can be can can end at
the light at the aura can weaken at the hands of these folks why?
He I saw Cofer I know go for it, they don't. So in that sense,
transmitted knowledge, of course, is a shortcut. And which, and by
transmitted we don't just mean revelation every all transmit
knowledge, but at the same time experiences also lends
credibility. Now I want to just for the sake of
the Hadith, so say now to love and miss owed, okay said he cursed the
one the women who practice tattooing, and those who remove
hair from their faces and those who created spaces between their
teeth because I was used to they used to like that in the past.
Now, the woman said, How could you say that? He said, It's not the
look of Allah. He said, It is in the book of Allah, where Allah
says, Obey God and obey His messenger. Right? So he didn't
actually even quote the prophets. I said, he gave a ruling that
attributed the ruling to the prophets of Allah. Okay, so for
that reason, the other scholars, the scholar ematic, the Chevy,
they didn't give it the weight of a hadith. They gave it the weight
of a tafsir. Right, because he didn't quote the prophet at all.
He simply he gave a ruling and then he attributed the rune to the
prophets, I said without citing him. Some Allah Matic says, the
narration of say the Isha Raji Allah, Allah, Allah is greater,
okay? Because he said, if say that Isha is telling women to do it,
right? It's a woman's issue, who's going to know more? If it was
Odisha? Right? So they outweighed it by that so and also a chef and
also all of the actual Hadith of the prophets, I send them against
tattooing. That is from the words of the prophets I set up. None of
none of them include the the fixing up of eyebrows, none of the
Hadith of the Prophet Can, can I just a quick aside,
in the science of Hadith, transmission, when a hadith comes
from one of the Union, for instance, right, we'll get along.
There's no necessity for it to be verified by a second person
doesn't. So the idea of, or testimony requiring to it's
limited to certain categories and not even the most important one in
the world, which is transmitted the deen of Allah. Okay. Yeah. And
for those people who are interested in that question, it
that legal issue. Imam, Sheikh Mohammed Jacobi Hafiz, Allah
taught us the opposite. He taught it not that sorry, not. He taught
us that the reasoning is, is the opposite of what people think the
reasoning is that it's only in those matters where someone would
lose a limb, or their life, a crime, or a lot of money, right?
Where a person would suffer a great loss, that Allah does not
want them to be the reason that a man suffered that loss and might
haunt them for the rest of their lives. So he made it difficult for
that reason. So Allah to Allah made it difficult for the woman to
testify against a murderer against an issue like that where a person
would suffer a corporal or financial loss. So that's all shut
them out, get up Kobe, and he said it's limited to those only. And
aside from the aside, I've never listened to mommy or Kobe. How
With a whole lot except that he came up with something that nobody
else had ever said, and that I never heard anybody else say, and
then it's verifiable. There's proofs in their citations. And
there's no question that it's legitimate, but it's completely
something nobody else had ever thought of.
Sheikh Mohammed did Jacobi is one of those that he doesn't speak
without a transmission. You know that right? Yeah, he does. He he's
actually one of his hobbies, is looking at chains of transmission.
So transmitted. That's what I said the Hadith scholars of Islam, it's
transmission on steroids. He literally has books, and I've seen
him chit chatting with people. Oh, he transmits from him. No, he
transmits from him. Right. And he knows the lines of transmission
because that's our dean.
The other person that's like that with stuff that you'll hear No,
I've never heard of this. Yeah. And then, of course, it's under
potential Ibrahim obviously.
All right, what else? You got mine. That's it. That's a wrap.
Can I jump in for a little bit? Go for the angles, I guess. Mike,
this is why our mic broke.
Well, did you say the fire sound is gone now after that mic fell.
So much. Okay. Keep going on now. So you're gonna interject
something? Yeah. So so I get this idea of, you know, having
transmission and verifying these chains, right. So but somebody
might ask, so let's say let's say, like a, like a Hindu, you know, he
might have, you know, chains of transmission going back to his
Brahmin shake, were to, to some experience that he had of Vishnu
or Brahma, whatever. So like, okay, good. Right. So what
distinguish so just because we have an authentic chain doesn't
necessarily mean that that that knowledge that we have is reveal
knowledge, you're assuming that they have a chain? Well, let's say
they claim it right. No, but they have to show it. So okay, so let's
say there's two accounts number the first some of them do claim
it. Okay. Let's say they do they have a claim of a guy who saw his
job.
He doesn't know.
So,
yeah, just it keeps falling over. Yeah, keep your hands on it, but
don't move. Yeah.
Okay, he has a chain of transmission to a guy who
levitated
and claims claims, right? Fine. We don't believe in the prophets, I
sent him because he had spiritual experiences. We believe in the
prophets of Allah who it was, because he brought us rational
evidences that would indicate that he's nothing other than a prophet,
which are called prophecies. Right? That means and there are
three types of prophecies only one applies to us the type of
prophecies that he said and it happened before it was written
down in a manuscript which we have today. If you quote, well, the
prophesy set him said that, that St. Norbert Hertzog would be, or
signal, Hussein will be assassinated and he was, Okay.
Well, where'd you get that? The manuscript is there? Well, it
happens before the manuscript was written. Right. So we don't admit
it. And also the prophets I send to made prophecies that Prophet
ASA will come back said nobody will come back to jail will come
well hasn't happened yet. So that is not admitted into discussion,
either. What is admitted is when the Prophet said something,
and it was written down by human beings, and we have those
documents in front of us at a time when that thing didn't exist. And
today it exists. So it leaves you with a couple of options only
number one, the Muhaddith made it up, or the scribe made it up, we
would say, okay, so you now you want me to believe that the scribe
took a gamble on his profit. And again, what came true?
Not only that, that people who didn't even see each other, they
didn't renew each other, randomly came up with the same gamble on
their own prophet. And both of them came true. Because the Hadith
come from many different scholars who never met each other. Yanni,
for example, a Sinani never and Berkadia. Totally unrelated,
right. So just because you that when people talk about the theme,
they should not imagine that this is a group of people sitting
around the circle. They lived in all different places at different
times and even know each other. Right, right, in many cases, and
didn't even see each other in many cases. Okay. So it's not like they
all cited one another, like a small group who's citing one
another and repeating the same thing. So at that case, we would
say, Okay, you want to say, well, well, okay, well, maybe your
prophet, he made a prophecy because he's trying to be a
prophet. And it happened to come through. We'll tell him number one
I can give you 50 Right now, that came true. But that's not really
the only proof. We have to go one step further, because you could
bring me another guy who made prophecies that came true. Well,
let's go one was one step further. The next step further is does he
have a prophecy that became false, right? The opposite because
Nostradamus has a prophecy that became false. He promised He
prophesied in the introduction of his
book that he actually he said that in like 200 years or something,
there will be such plague and famine that people won't even be
able to farm.
Now, Nostradamus, which is a fancy name, his name was actually like
Michael of Notre Dame.
They took Quantico at Nostradamus, they make it like
he's, he's a philosopher, he's a doctor. He's a doctor
looks like
he looks like he's like a doctor in Paris, okay. And he came up
with this book. And he said, No, if you look at this prophecy, it's
the exact opposite happened, industrial revolution occurred.
And Europe exploded with with with wealth and farming. And at that
time, they actually discovered that you could put the seed into
the ground, and you'll give you a 90% chance better to grow. So it's
not just that the Prophet made prophecies, which were documented
that occurred later in our life later on. Right? It's not that
it's that you cannot find a single prophecy of the Prophet. So they
said, We're the opposite happened.
Number three is take it to a third level of someone makes prophecies.
Great. So it was never proven wrong. Great. Are they giving you
instruction on how to live? Are they telling you there's heaven
and *? Are they giving you a rock and hard place situation
because the Prophet Muhammad is prophesy? Saddam is saying, here's
the proof. Not only that, if you don't follow this, it's eternal
*, right. So number number three is what claim are they
making? Okay? So there's there I told you guys about that woman.
She's a nice, very nice woman, but she's making theological claims
based on her experience that she's these angels. I can't remember
what her name is. She's Irish. Okay. But my question is, okay, is
she making a claim? Like, is she telling me how to live? She's
saying that if I reject her, I go to *. So there's no claim like
that. So why should I care? There's no consequence. Number
four is the last one. All of these people who are in the business, do
you have a fifth one? Okay. All these people who are in the
business of prophecy and wizardry, okay. They are weird. Okay.
They're oddballs. They have long nails, they live on the edges of
society. They're not examples of life. Right? Prophet Muhammad.
Sonam is an example of everyday life in everything he ruled. He
did trade. He was solitary at one point in his life, he had
families, he had kids, he dealt with death, he dealt with
neighbors, he dealt with trade he did with everything. So on these
four accounts, and we haven't even discussed the proof of the Quran,
right? That's why we accept a prophet not just because there's a
change. Now within the world of accepting the prophets. I send
them some in order to quote him now you need to change. Right?
Alright, so now you have a fifth one, just that four nozzles
example. There's no way that their chains would stand up to the type
of scrutiny that's necessary. Not even. Like it's impossible. They
wouldn't be like you. There's no, it doesn't even come close, right?
I mean, even the Christians don't have a chain. Forget about him.
He's talking about books 5000 years ago, 7000 years ago, even
even the Jewish people I mean, no, they don't have changed their
Bibles like was rewritten, right? Like, there's no there's no change
letter has changed. And there's only one religion that has changed
and I'm not really worried about that competition.
I'm sorry, I'm not it's an offshoot of Islam anyway, I'm not
even worried about heritage.
And this actually, Sikhism is a note on another thing to where
when Muslims are told to attack the enemy, okay? And adjust to
war. Severely, right? Fight them hard. So if the war is just fight
heart, don't like go half hearted in it. Well, hold on a bit, be
like stern and rough. So who practiced this? Or unzip the
Mujaddid Rahim Allah whenever I don't have it, right? Or wrong. So
what did he do his grandfather Akbar? allowed for six temples to
be built because he was a heretic. What an inappropriate name. Yeah.
Well, that's what led to his heresy. I mean, let's just go. He
said, Allahu Akbar. Yeah, he said, you know that at the end of it, he
was like the trump of his time. Right? But he was like more of
like an intellectual and all that stuff people are like brainwashed
by about AutoExec clubs. Yeah, like they're like taught that he
was like, you know, the the bad ruler in Cuba was the one who was
like bringing people together. There's a changing narrative about
that right? There was some person in records I forget her name
Audrey true. She or something. She wrote a book called earrings. And
she basically argued that like his image was portrayed like that by
the British. It was it was oh, yeah, I mean, it was British. It
was it was to bring, you know, just just strife and stuff in
India, so and the people who actually have a safe bet to
the people who had that narrative to begin with, yeah, just as an
aside there like 1% of people who don't matter. What matters is the
people make to offer him every day, right the past by his grave
and the money because sometimes we in the West give more credence to
people's opinions than it really matter.
That's right. Yeah. So about allowed all these hertz heresies
to flourish. So he allowed for the Sikhs to build their temples. I
don't even know if they're called Sikhs, whatever they're called.
And of course, we know that it was started off with a mixture of Sufi
poetry and it's basically Goofy is on wild, right, right. So, he then
Aurangzeb really looked back at the at this and said, this was not
built legitimately, right, this was not built properly. So he
waged war and he tore them down. And they put their guys out and he
he put his army out and they defeated them. And one thing that
he said is don't kill their prints. Because that's really
unnecessary roughness basically, right?
That would be unnecessary, and it would just inflame the more so
don't kill the elite people just tear down, remove the soldiers,
push them aside and tear down the temple. So in the heat of the
battle, his Aurangzeb, his brother ends up killing the prince.
So they then swear an oath, that they will never shave their hair,
they will never shave their beard, they will never stop kept take hot
showers again, they will never stop carrying a dagger. And they
will always wear a band of their shields forever until they defeat
the Muslims. Okay, good luck. Yeah. So now what did that end up
with? What did it end up with? It ended up with what we know now of
Sikhism today is that they have to wear a symbolic dagger, the shield
became a symbolic bracelet. Right? But they do keep and I'm sure once
they came to America, they got in touch with it. They could take
showers, right? And they still don't have any hair on but they
still don't cut hair. And so what does that are women, some men or
women, some of them some of but most of the ones that follow but
so what is that? What is the point here? The point is that we're
taught that when you apply the law properly, against the enemy, that
Allah will cause them to humiliate themselves, because now what
marketing do they have? Right?
When we pass by, as a kid, right, I sounded up for slap. Also, it's
kind of
interesting that they added bits of theology based on what another
group did to them after the fact. The whole thing is made up right.
So to the sheep, the whole thing.
Now, the Shia are also another people, right? Now, the Shia,
there very another people believe in this hitting on themselves. Now
look, I said one time to a common Muslim, a common kid came up to an
altar. And it's just to show you the fitrah and what Allah brings
on the tongues of people sometimes. He said to me, can you
believe so and so says this and this in this about I said, I
should say normally, I see no, these people need to be been, he
turns a check. They already beat themselves.
So Allah has caused them to go to that extreme to humiliate. I
remember growing up and seeing shields on TV or in a documentary
or something. I said, that's us. And then he doesn't know those are
right.
So so groups humiliate themselves, right? The people whom Allah to
Allah has put a curse upon why because when you claim a religion,
you're making up a lie on Allah. Right? Right. Are you making a
liar? And heresy is a lie in the prophets. I said. So how does
Allah to Allah give you a few talks about observable? How does
Allah give you observable proof? Allah doesn't just give us
rational proofs. He gives observable proofs, number one and
a sunnah. If they're on right up to you the right fit. What did
they produce? odf like, you want to be like them. They're
beautiful, right? You really want to be like them. Now heretics.
heretics? What does Allah do? Look at every heretic you will find
something out there on their features that's disgusting.
I'm not even kidding you. Absolutely tried even subjective
right? Look at the finally one inspiring Wahhabi shift I don't
want to put his face his picture up on my wall
I can only for the ruling
to respect the city a ruling that we don't put the walls of our
machete on the on the right to respect the Serbia ruling that
that there is difference of opinion on that the bulk of them
say no we don't put pictures up on the walls. But look at the look up
if you're if you're listening to this Google barraba document file
and tell me there's not a man of Allah. I'll get upset a long time
ago somebody was cell this rabbits eccmid fed. I saw
I saw a blog post a long time ago back in the blogging days. Yeah.
Where somebody had posted a bunch of pictures of like common
commonly known artists on the ships, right. So like, people like
people like
Shimano Jacobi, happy Walmart, right like the the regular shoe,
all of them beaming. And then they also posted all of the what
happened. And it was like, for real.
Now, I'm looking at this picture and what I was doing, look at that
National, his his his moustache is handsome, right? His teeth are
beaming, and they don't have dentists
Look at his face. His beard is nicely kept like I would take him
with me to school.
You know the metaphor they say like, yeah, like if I want to take
me to school.
No
I've never heard that.
Like if you're a kid
like that, so you guys ever heard that?
Right. So now when I grew up, I grew up knowing a lot of celery
chips. Right, right. It's like I would
I respected them because that's what I knew. But I didn't want my
friends to see that right. But I would love for someone to see it.
Right? I mean, it's a part of like nails clipped, clean.
Merciful, okay, merciful, right, this is this is the beautification
of the Sunnah and the love of Rasulullah sallallahu
as opposed to people who feel they may be religious and they may be
righteous people and they may be dedicated to the Quran and
dedicated to their Deen. But the, the like, Next Level love of
Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wa salam it's downplayed, no. And
even the Sunnah, you know, it's replaced by like cultural stuff.
So like you throw in one of those quarters instead of putting on a
tablet. Yeah, because the turbine is what just just the Yeah, like
the core son of dress, right? Yeah, so let's amend it because
Allah Allah made them abandon it so that the people know who's who.
And when you look at now I'm not making fun of people will lie, but
look up some of these videos of some of these Wahhabi shapes I'm
telling you that's scary they're all memory TVs what have you
this is really propaganda
it's all it's all what have you. I'm not gonna name names. I'm not
gonna do the job for him. But but some of the YouTube videos where
the ship was never recorded because he didn't believe in
recordings but to have like one or two pictures, this is not
something
to write home about.
I'm telling you around, miserable, unkempt beard let me tell you
another group consistently we're not just picking on Wahhabis we
pick on all these radical shift videos right
here a goofy A to A to too much stuff going on right
there like doing weird stuff in the ship is like doing Power
wait mill this like Street Fighter? Yeah. He's doing like how
Allah Allah humiliates those paths. So that the common Muslim
who doesn't think twice he's like, oh,
you know that my dad. There was some goofy at that time. My dad is
generally he's against all most of Sufis, I would say, right, because
when he was young, the there was goofy groups. And they had a
parade one time in Egypt.
And his dad doesn't wasn't like a man of like knowledge and into
these things. Common sense. When my dad went and came home and he
said I had dinner with the rephase right. He got beat for the with
the swords. Yeah, with all the craziness. Right. So he never came
near Sufis again, right now. Here's the thing.
The ship they have videos of a guy he goes on the member looking
respectable.
You fast forward 20 minutes that guy's turbans fly off. He's
halfway fallen off the Midwest together himself with the bottle
committing himself with a bottle
a glass bottle he
hasn't been able to contain past five minutes. I need to get my
point in what what is why am I saying this? To show you that a
lot on if you lie about transmission, he will humiliate
you from yourself. He will the name and wedge it the Divine Name
and wedge it means he brings out something from where you least
expect it. Like you were just making an argument. You were just
talking normally like, Why are you hitting yourself with the bottle?
How is this benefiting? Remember, I was saying
I need to get my point. And it's been like 20 minutes. Welcome to
season three
to play contrarian here, right?
You know, what if I were to say that, hey, you know what, what is
the value of revealed knowledge because everything that I see is,
you know, revealed knowledge just gives, you know, the sectarian
conflicts and you have caused all these problems in the world. It's
like, why couldn't I just why couldn't I just, you know, deal
with empirical reality because I mean, clearly it's been working
out
For me, I got a job. I got a family talk about devil's
advocate. I got, you know, I Well, I mean, it's, it's a great point,
right? Because that's a lot. That's what a lot of people hear,
which is all I see amongst, you know, religious people or people
have revealed knowledge is, you know, just strife and sectarianism
and but you got all these problems and you know, you gotta you guys
hate each other and but I would argue that even that, like
accusation is, is not a it's not quantifiable that you can't prove
or disprove that statement that there's like more strife among
it's anecdotal. It's just based on things you hear. So I've already
that's, that's kind of a statement that it doesn't have that much
foundation, right? Like you can, you can argue that the five
deadliest leaders with the most killed counts were all secular
leaders, right? And so they're like, I could come up with
anecdotes, anecdotes like that to that, like, oh, this, this caused
so much strife, and it caused so much terror in the world. So
there's that aspect. And and I feel like the other aspect is
then,
where are you getting guidance from? Like, general just life
guidance, right? Because Because, because ultimately, when you're
brought into this world, it's like, you're, you're on a moving
train, right? You just find yourself on a moving train. And so
like, the natural questions that somebody might have, when they
find themselves in a situation is a, how did I get here? What am I
doing here? And now that I'm here, what am I supposed to be doing?
Right? And those are three kinds of questions that I feel like just
a inexistence, that's just based on you know, like you said,
mentioned just a routine of like, Hey, I go to work, and I do these
things. And I, and I, you know, provide for my family find it
gives me happiness, all these things. But it still ultimately
doesn't address those three questions. And I feel like if you
don't address those three questions, then that stuff becomes
inherently meaningless anyway, because it's like, why are you
doing all that? When, you know, eventually you're gonna die, your
kids are gonna die, everybody's gonna die. The heat death of the
universe is going to destroy, and
it's gonna destroy everything. Right? But But like, then nothing
has any import, right? Origins, purpose of life, destination?
Well, but what if all of this material success is avail? That's
all it is. But what if I was to say that, you know, that doesn't?
Because all I see is well, you know, I don't know what to tell
somebody like that. Except Good luck. Because many, many, because
the three things that we just said also answer many legal quandaries,
right, which are the causes of major cultural wars? For example,
abortion. Okay. And if we had SDI basis for it, you would know one
piece of information, which is the cause of the whole cultural divide
on abortion, which is when does life start? Now? We only get that
from Revelation 120 days, right? So now we know the difference
between murder and abortion
or murder. And you know, the other thing, which is, I don't know what
what would we what would we call that or abortion that is not
murder, right?
Which, before 120 days, could be sinful? Could be major sin minor
sins, debatable, but it's not murder. After 120 Is this murder?
Right? You know, beyond even beyond, like the let's that the
abortion example, I would say it's still even very difficult to
separate modern so called like, humanist or secular values or ways
of living from some type of revealed origin, right? So so it's
very hard to tease that out, you can, you can make a claim that
like, Hey, I'm good. I don't need revelation. I can live my life in
this way. But indirectly, you've already adopted a lot of things.
And a lot of viewpoints that are basically directly due to
Revelations like why don't why don't people kill other people?
Why all these things that I guess we consider a moral decisions,
they have their roots in some sort of Revelation. Otherwise, I could
just do what I want.
If you know that, if you if you thought about it, if you think
about it, and materialist ideas are, in a sense, inherently
incoherent in the sense that if you devote yourself to thinking
to think about atheism, for example, and you come to the
conclusion of atheism, it only leads you to the fact that atheism
is not important. If you come to the point that the conclusion that
there is nothing except the material that then the this
conclusion necessitates that even your past thinking was not
important. Right? It meant nothing. So nothing means. You
deny you deny consciousness, right? So if you're a materialist,
so this is Daniel Dennett, used to drive it. Right. Right. Right. So
Daniel Dennett is like consciousness is an illusion, but
somebody responded like, but an illusion is a conscious
experience.
Philosophy in what you're mentioning, right, like where if
people come with that angle of like, hey, like, it doesn't really
matter. A lot of times it's a case of not taking what they
actually believe to his logical extreme. Well, there's just some
of those things that you end up getting that like Nazgul mentioned
is that like, you start denying these very basic things, but it's
not everybody takes it to that logical conclusion. They don't
take their, their ideology or how they live their life or whatever
philosophy they have to its natural end. And so they stopped
short of that. Yeah, so the person that Morena is bringing up is a
person that's not going into that he's not going into that level of
detail. He's not thinking about a lot of religious people are like
that. They're not really considering the sources of the
religion and the reality of they're just following what
they're following. The person that Mohini is given his example is
somebody who's like a materialist. And he's just following what he's
following. And he's like, look, I have material success. I have I
live in the West, I have all these advantages, things are good. This
is why Cofer is rampant in Europe, because Europe was successful for
a long time. It's automatic. And now to now to play another
contrarian point of view, which is, you know,
you got, you know, we made the argument that, you know, that
revealed knowledge is is beneficial, and it provides
guidance and all of these other things. Okay, great, you know, two
questions to two parts of this question. The first is, you know,
why couldn't reveal knowledge go to anybody? Right? Why does it
have to go to you know, X profit or y profit, or whoever it may be?
Why does it have to come from a certain source? And the second
question is, you know, well, a lot of different religions claim these
mystical experiences. Right? What is this? Like? That's a that's a
very broad question, right? Well, I mean, we can get into, like, for
example, a lot of a lot of religions claim like mystical
experiences, you know, why trust one over the other? Some of them
might be, there's a great article on it. Well, just just because you
have a mystical experience doesn't mean you interpret it correctly.
Correct. Right. Like you have the right theology. Yeah. Like, for
example, you could get punched, and you could think, Oh, I didn't
really get punched. So somebody could just keep sponsoring you.
And they were like, What? Are you talking about? People like John of
the Cross, right.
Mr. Carr, people who, like Christian mystics, who have
mystical experiences, and they've interpreted them completely,
exactly, right. Yeah. mystical experiences. Also, by the way, how
do we come to learn about them? For them? It's an experience for
us it's transmitted knowledge, transmitted knowledge from who,
from the One Who Experienced It? Well, that's subjective then.
Right? So it's like, no different than saying, Hey, I saw X, Y, and
Z. Well, why should I believe you? Who are you? Right? So in a sense
for us, it's not another transmission, and a transmission
from what from the only person who experienced it is subject right.
So the other question answered your question, which was, well,
why did it have to come to that particular profit? Or that
particular person? Is that Well, okay, if hypothetically, you
concede that there is a Creator, who is going to give a message? Is
he going to give the message to different people, then who are we
going to listen to? Right? All right, you need to only give it to
one. That's why every country has one ambassador, because
communication must happen like that. Right? Communication and
systems organization. Order. Right? Requires oneness, right?
Okay. And this is known. So that's the one. So if he's going to be if
it's going to be one, then whomever it was given to the same
question would pop up? Yeah. Right. The same question will crop
up? So also, I mean, to answer maybe, maybe this answers your
question, why maybe it doesn't, but it's not my question list. No,
no, yeah.
That's true.
Let's say the hypothetical question, right, that, that
somebody might pose, that's not mine.
I feel like another component of that is, is we don't necessarily
base our belief on, like, magical and mystical happenings, right.
Like, that's not like the foundation of belief. And so, you
know, other other streams of, of thought and other religions could
could have could have these experiences. And they can claim
that like, hey, this stuff happened. But but that doesn't
have any bearing on our central belief, right. And I feel like it
with respect to those three questions that I that I posed
earlier of, like, how did I get here? Now that I'm here, what do I
do? Like why am I here? The How did I get here, you can arrive at
that, in some sense, rationally right, that there is a God and
that He created all these things. But the other two things you can
only really get from guidance. So So yeah, so the idea of the
exists, right? God is rational is rationally you can arrive at that
and arrive at that but you can't you don't know what he wants you
to do, without without guidance without some Revelation where
you're going. Right? And by the way, in terms of spirit, mystical
experiences, we'd actually don't deny that a lot to either can
answer the prayers of kafirs, right? The the the Allah to Allah
He gives the sun to everyone. He gives water to everyone. Everyone
can smile, everyone laughs everyone has kids. Everyone enjoys
company right?
Like why? Because Allah is merciful. He is kind and also we
need to live in this world, right? Everyone needs to survive. How can
you survive be so miserable, the human race wouldn't have
continued, or this human speech,
even though Hanifa makes it very clear,
it says in the Quran, I made you borrow ADA. Right? He answers, the
desperate when he calls on him, he didn't say, and we'll touch on
movement, the desperate believer. So the idea of answered prayers,
which definitely exists in Christianity, it does not mean you
don't make the leap that my prayer was answered, therefore,
everything about me is correct, including my theology. No, we
don't believe in that we say, go to God answered you, because he's
kind doesn't necessarily mean you're correct and what you
understand about it. So
just quickly, I just wanted to read a couple of sentences to that
end.
This is from something Shamima
slam mysticism and other religions and despite the abrogation of
their religions, we do not doubt the possibility of mystics of
other faiths reaching a higher spiritual plane. For when the
lower soul was negated and sublimated by spiritual
disciplines, the powers of the higher soul sent seldom failed to
appear. And it is not impossible then in such a condition, it might
be hold ultimate reality, which is, after all, as real and
objective as Detroit or anything else in the physical world. But
what a difference between the few 100, Jewish Christian or even
American Indian mystics of the Western tradition, who left any
record of their experiences, he names a few. And the literally
1000s of Sufi masters of Islamic tradition, who found that the
great mystical orders, had immense influence for centuries at all
levels of society, produced an unparalleled and monumental body
of mystic literature and poetry and prose, and left countless
edits in the beatitude of the Divine Presence, a living
tradition that continues to this day, what other religion has ever
seen a methodology like Rumi, there's a tremendous difference
between a few outstanding spiritual personalities that
appeared at times in places in the West, like occasional watering
places scattered across our hinterland, in the throngs of
mistakes that the Islamic milieu, on a sea of divine, the throngs of
mystics of the Islamic milieu on a sea of the Divine whose tides
flooded regularly. So, so even on that aspect, we got the numbers,
maybe, yeah, if we're going to admit that every time you put your
ego down, and you put your carnal element down, then the higher
realities of the apparent if they become apparent, let's say we
admit that, all right, well, let's see who has done it better than
right. So and that's basically so. So that's not even a problem,
mystical experiences. It's only people who, who don't understand
that who fall into, well, therefore, they make the leap.
Therefore, all religions must be equal. And it's perennialism.
That's the That's the origin of perennialism. Is that it is look
at those guys. Yes. They were a bunch of young guys, all of the
leaders were a bunch of young guys. They followed the quack
Frithjof Swan, who was like a mystic, but he was just like, he's
in his own way right now. And he had his own experiences and
whatever. And they imagine then that everything that this man says
is true. Right? It's like, you know what it's like saying, Arnold
Schwarzenegger was a great bodybuilder, therefore, everything
about biology that he says is true anatomy that he says, nutrition,
whatever. trician? Yeah, that's not the case. Right? Exactly. I
just want to jump in with this idea about mysticism. See the fact
that so many people have experienced something beyond the
world, or have seen the world as a whole, whatever, like this
mystical experience, it actually proves that,
that empirical knowledge is not the only thing. Right? For sure,
it actually proves that there's something called revealed
knowledge, right? Like, there's an unseen, there's an unseen, right?
And then the kaffir in this example, is a different Kaffir
than the capital.
Give the example.
So like, what so for example, can't one of the reasons that he
says religion has a problem, right, is because
all these people have the same mystical experience and their
arguments, you know, are mutually you know, both, both of them, like
they're two arguments that are exactly the same strength. This
guy said he saw Vishnu, this other guy said he saw here's some Yeah,
but here's sorry, you want to I'm just gonna say we have to remember
that Kant's what constitutes a religion is somewhat Christianity.
Yeah. Which is a religion has no chain of transmission. Right.
Right. Right. And a lot of other issues that Islam didn't. And but
a little bit about Islam, but from a completely Orientalist
background. Yeah. But the thing is that the main thing is that their
argument is because so many people have had mystical experiences, and
they come to different conclusions. Let's reject all of
religion. Now. Now, this doesn't make any logical sense. Right?
Because, right, right, exactly. Right. Exactly. So for example,
philosophy, right? No, two philosophers agree with each
other. So let's reject philosophies. Right. And actually,
exactly that makes sense. So this, so it must mean it doesn't mean
that let's reject religion, it means that somebody's had the
right experience and they have interpreted correctly. Right. And
and the thing though, one of the things that I find amazing about
Islam is that it's
It doesn't claim to be new, right? It. I forget, one of Shay comes as
she looked like they had a lecture, he said something along
the lines of like, all the prophets agree with each other on
the thing that's important. But all the philosophers disagree.
Yes, you're right. So the problems are on the same line. Exactly,
exactly. So like it's mystical experiences being confirmed. All
throughout history, the same exact thing. Right? And, yeah, it's to
get to the heart of the first part that you're asked about why
revelation to these and others. First, you have to know about the
rules of what makes a profit, right? And why why are those rules
important? Why are the requirements there? Because, yeah,
why would Allah send revelation to somebody like me? It'd be a waste
of Revelation.
Like, I'm not I don't have the characteristics. I'm not I'm not
convincing people. Right? Like it's not it just would not be
worth it. Right? It would be a total waste. So you have to give
it to somebody who's worthy of it right to call Shanahan something
like that. He said, When the king sends an ambassador isn't send the
monkey, the very best person that you had, right? And so the best of
creation is the the last of the messengers because it's a message
for all of mankind. And the messengers preceded him, we're
better than any other human beings besides himself. And the
oftentimes people ask the question of, well, why isn't he keeps on
making profits? Right? And it's done? Well, we, we say to them,
well, wouldn't he have to eventually, everything has an end,
right? So if you're in your suggestion, even in your
suggestion, whatever you suggest, there would be an end, there will
be a time with I guess every generation has to have their own
one to eight guys. Remember?
It's silliness. So I'm sorry. And then the other part of that
actually forget
the other
Islam Islam as a convert, I can tell you this because this is part
of what motivated me to be a Muslim and to remain in this deen
is that Islam is the only religion that explains why there's multiple
religions. Exactly. It acknowledges the multiplicity of
religions, and gives you a rational reason why there would be
and why there would be differences between them and explain to you
how to understand they're missing. Yes, exactly. And it's the only
religion that also gives the past to the people who were unable to
get the this revelation. Right. The rest of them they're all
exclusive. Yeah, right. You ask a Christian what happens to people
that live in Amazon? They never heard of Jesus to bad hellfire?
Yeah, yeah.
So they just make something up. Let me do something else. There is
no theology like Islam's that gives credence and power to
willpower more than more than it's not. Let's take a look at Judaism
you're either born into or you're not an accident of birth Hinduism
as well. Let's look at Christianity. Christianity, you're
damned by original sin. Hey, I didn't do it. Right. Someone else
did it. And then you're saved because of someone else too. So
wait a second, I just got dammed and I got saved. I'm like a
spectator here. Right. So Adam took the original sin of causality
for their statement, right? And then Jesus got on the cross. And
I'm watching and I'm like, okay, like I didn't do anything. Right.
Well, you did you were lucky enough to be born to get baptized
then. And then now that you're saved, why do you have to do
anything? Exactly what why didn't do anything? So I got damned, I
didn't do anything. I got damn right. I didn't do anything. I got
saved, and I'm still not gonna do anything. Right. Because all I
have to do is believe right? So now let's go to Islam, the
prophets I said themselves, you know that in Islam, if an ancient
there is purgatory.
If an angel came down and said, all of you guys here is Allah has
permitted me to show you your book of deeds good. And all of you are
damned to *. If an angel came down with that, you know what the
prophets I said and said, he said, lie don't do cover in the dark. He
said nothing will repel. What the Destiny that's written for you
except to ah, so even if an angel came down, and Damned you and
showed told you, you are damned, I saw it in the book of deeds in the
Book of Destiny, right? The prophet is telling you even that
your dog can change it. Because Kava is any bad news, right? And,
and portents of the future right the things that are going to
happen in the future. He's the prophesy Sam said your prayer can
push it back. And the Prophet has another Hadith that said laser to
dwell on movement, while Calgary he atherogenic is summer nao
knocklyon Is that means other bad things that are going to happen or
will come down? Right They come down from the skies and as when
you when you meet that God that on the timeline happens right
province I sent him said you throw up do you put up dua, right, it
will wrestle with that other until the Day of Judgment, meaning
you'll pass it you'll pass under it, your DUA will act as an
umbrella for you from this color. That's the power of dua. So here
you have two religions previously and you said Hinduism to okay,
that there's no free will at this point in terms of saving myself.
You're either born into it or not to Judaism, and in Christianity I
was damned and and saved
Okay by something that I didn't do. And here we have in Islam,
even if an angel told you, you're damned, you can save yourself by
your own dua. Right? So I mean, the the power of free will, is so
critical.
There you go. And so my last point, I think we can end on this
because I think we're hitting time. In the beginning of the
podcast you mentioned, you know that there is a realm of theology,
and there's the realm of the jurist, right. And Islam balances
both of these, you know, very well, which is that, you know, you
have things like, for example, the ball hitting a window, and you
know, you have this assumed causation, however, in the mind of
the jurist, right, you have actual real rulings that apply. Right,
it's actionable rulings. So when it comes to the dean, or, you
know, if someone was looking at revealed knowledge versus
empirical knowledge, how do we reconcile both of these, you know,
when it comes to the realm of the jurist in the realm of the
theologian, so the question again, when it comes to how do you
reconcile, you know, what is more important? Is it the realm of, you
know, the, the revealed knowledge, the theology, this is a sixth
question, question someone might ask by hearing those two points?
Or is, is the, the realm of the jurist more important? What
happens in the real world? Does that my question makes sense?
Yeah, no, I would say that, I mean, they're, they have to be in
an angle, like you need you need, you need both of them. In order to
function in the world. You need to put without the theologian you
can't get to the fifth doesn't matter. Right. Right. Right. So
but, and actually, I'll side on this, I'll go with the Senate, you
have to know your Arcada. And your leader, you can't just take by by
you can't just do totally, you have to actually learn it and know
it, right. So theology is actually more fundamental and basic,
because as long as you know what you're supposed to believe, even
if you don't do any of it, you're better off than someone who's
doing it, and has the wrong belief. Like, like, like Qadiani
or somebody. Yeah. So yeah, I would the way I would answer this
in two ways. Number one, theologies overfit. pleader is
more important than fit. That's the first thing because beliefs
are more important than actions. Because beliefs is something you
die with actions and with your death. Beliefs is something you
have all the time actions you only do when you do them. That's the
first thing. The second thing is that our theology rests upon
reason and observation. If you look at something like the Kalam
Cosmological Argument, what anything that has
that that begin that begins to exist must have a cause, the
universe began to exist, therefore, the universe has a
cause, that therefore that and that cause must be causeless
outside of time, space, materiality cause and effect.
Right. So all of that, that whole idea is based upon reason, right?
Basic rules of logic and observation, basic what I see in
the world, it leads me to believe that that God is also the Prophet
belief in the prophesy sentence is based in reason, right? It is
based in reason it's not just based on feeling family, mystical
experiences, not based on those things based in what we just said,
the proofs of his prophecies. And we can draw a lot of those from
the Quran, too. Right. But we just just though the, what I said
earlier about prophecy. What is that? That's a logical argument,
right? Because it says to me, how else do you explain this? Is he is
he is making stuff up. There's no other way to explain it, except
that he's actually truthful. Right. So, we say and in fact, the
Razzies whole thesis and his whole argument against and his debate
with him in Jamia Okay. In fact, Rosie and me Tamia obviously came
after him and debated him or in that time, but actually could you
look up their death dates factor?
The whole basis of fucking Rosie is that our religion is based upon
logical and observable basis shouldn't shouldn't No, no,
maintain us there.
I think Fakhruddin fucka, Razi 1210, even 10 years later, I think
I'm going to make him have more he's born 1263 was born 206. So
he's way so unfair, Imitate me, refuted.
He sought to refute fucker that Ozzy, allegedly, allegedly now by
the way, you know what my my thesis is? He refuted them. But
you know what, he was such a great writer. He was trained by the SRS.
That's why he was so powerful. He was powerful. You cannot deny that
Potamia is powerful. Even Taymiyah is is He's almost like Chef Akbar.
In terms of being like, there's no nobody. He didn't follow anybody
else's. And he didn't he didn't really leave any real followers.
It's kind of weird. As I if I was reading through Sherman Jackson's
book on his chapter on traditionalism, which he goes over
even Taymiyah like some parts of his theology are kind of like even
obvious. And people you know, people don't talk about that.
Maybe it's a good PhD. I mean, this is what happened early
Yeah, you're a next level genius. Yeah. Sophie, yeah. You start
coming up with your own stuff. Yeah. Listen, if not a bit, this
is where they're similar. Yeah. If it's me,
he argues against the idea of allegory, right to the divine
attributes, right? Guess who else does it? binotto? He says, yes.
You're the allegory. Oh snap. He says yes. The divine hand. That's
real. And your hand is the allegory. Right? So it's the
mystical version. You know, who else argued against allegorical?
Forget about the divine attributes that can be
changed to like body parts or whatever. But even ideas like
mercy, yeah, and this is an inventory Mian position, right?
Maimonides? Oh, yeah. Well, what did he take it from? Because he
took it from the Muslims. Yeah, he took a lot from them. He took it
from the Muslims and and what ends up doing is this he they get to
the point where they go, No, either God doesn't have mercy.
Because human beings are merciful, or what we think is mercy in human
beings something else because they can't share that attribute. It
becomes a kosher with Allah, my mind and my mind. It is the
Rambam. They call him the rabbi Moses Rambam, Rabbi, Moses, Ben,
my monitors, right. They call him the Rambam. So he is, is that
like, yeah. So the Rambam was from endo Sia, he actually bring them
he became one of the doctors.
Right. That's why there's hospitals named after him. New
York. Yeah, because he was a doctor. And I probably met in the
EDL. I had two Jewish students. And one day, they came early, and
I was only one there in class. So it's just struck up a
conversation. And I said, What do you guys, what about my monitors?
Right? You guys study my man. And he's because they were orthodox.
And Orthodox Jews are very strict. So there's no no, he's not
accepted. He was a heretic, right?
You said, Well, his theology he borrowed from the Muslims. I said,
like what though? They said, the idea of obligations in doctrine,
the concept that there is obligatory beliefs, he included in
it to believe in the afterlife. Right, right. And they actually
said that, no, and then the one of the other students said, Well,
there's a verse in the Torah that maybe you could stretch it, that
there's an afterlife, but the idea that the afterlife is an
obligatory belief, right? They consider that a heresy that they
don't take from him anymore. That's interesting, right? And so
as liberal Jews who like call him the ramp, that name the Orthodox
actually don't observe him. Yeah. So that's, but the whole point is
that
you have something to say, right? Yeah, I was just going to add to
what I was just gonna say the whole point.
No, please.
No.
No.
It is. I mean, to be fair, point is that the our belief is not a
blind belief. No, there's a blind step. Let's take a leap. Let's
just believe in the Prop. No, there's a rational basis, the more
you study, the more you come to this rash, the idea that Allah and
His Messenger, this is not some kind of a blind leap of faith,
you're not. Actually, the more I've studied, the more actually,
when you truly define a belief as something that you believe to be
true, without any rational revealed or empirical evidence,
you actually come to hate beliefs. Right now, you hate beliefs,
because beliefs to have no basis, they're superstitious. So to bring
it all back, that's what Hume said, the empirical knowledge is
just a belief formed on on the basis of why I think this is
what's gonna happen. I mean, the only thing I was going to add, was
coming back to what Maureen said about, I guess, the balance
between like theology and jurisprudence, from a like, let's
take the example of prayer, the way I look at is, you know, from a
theological perspective, you can learn why you need to pray, but
it's only from the
juristic perspective that you need to know the conditions and
integrals required for performing the prayer transmitted, right. So
so that's kind of I feel like, you have to have those two things in
balance. Otherwise, you know, belief and action then are just
you can't even correlate the two things. Yeah. And to answer a part
of my question myself is
I mean, even in the study of Aki, though, right, Aki, the other name
is fickle Akbar, right. It's, it's actually a sub subset of the study
of FIP. Right, it's the greater fic so you learn it before you
even get into the subject of fic.
And so I think we're hitting like a good amount of time to
wrap up here. We're gonna wrap up let me just close with one thing
since it's a meow. Okay, Mo law came up in the conversation. Now
you guys I don't know if you guys are all off but I just want
wanna address this
sort of silliness in my opinion that went on that on my page? Oh,
I was quoted I didn't know I've been offline for a long time
writing, of course, of course work. Actual work from from hedge
on from hedge time. Until just like last week, I was pretty much
offline the whole time. Now someone came upon the idea friend
came said, listen, while you're offline, I know someone who could
help you out, right? Who could help do posts for you? Right? So
it's like announcements and stuff. Yeah, like announcements or take
old posts, repost the link, take a clip from an older post. Yeah,
right. Put it up there. Now, at some point, though,
this individual then put up a post, which said Shaco, Islam even
sent me out. I'm a law set, and it was something like totally normal.
And they must have seen it somewhere. And they just assumed
that I'd be fine with it and they put up there, right. So
a lot of a lot of others got so you know, sort of bent out of
shape. Right? That I just merely quoted, even Samia, right? And
though and then now some people said they had a prom with the
quote. Second people had a problem with the term shiftless lamb the
other ones that are himolla so I would say okay look if we're
really want to be about technically fine Schiff is enough
right because she was lamb might imply everything about what he
said is correct. Which I don't believe. I do believe that. The
there were differences that are fundamental and issues of updated
right fine. Sheriff is fine. Shit. Let me shift for me. You can call
men on the side of the
ship is fine, shiftless. Lamb fine. Well, we can you can that
say that? That has an implication font. But some people had a
problem say that I himolla. Right. What did you What do you want them
to say? Kherson. They want to put them outside of Islam. Right? So
it's ridiculous. I'm not into extremes, right? This is an
extreme. And he want to say that he is a calf. That is way off from
where I'm going. I'm not even going near that as pay grade. And
you know why? Yeah. And you know, who I make to plead if I had to
make tough lead tech lead?
on an issue that I don't know about, and I'm not going to
research is mmscfd How's that? I mean, which scholar of Edison or
gym out will negate and have any criticism of remember CLT? I
remember CLT says shiftless Nam had the qualifications to be a
much dead, he had the knowledge to be much dead, despite some errors
that he made on the divine attributes and his whole thesis on
reason and revelation. Right? That's
right. That's the right way to do things. Right. Rather than going
to some to an extreme. Also, you have to ask, what what do people
alive today? Care? Yeah. What do you care about? What the fate of
this scholar from, you know? 1000, almost 1000 years ago now? Yeah.
What do you care? Yeah. And we have I have made it my positions
on issues of doctrine. So clear on this podcast on my Facebook page
on Twitter, right, I have on the divine attributes on the show. I
don't know who they are. I've made that so crystal clear. Like we
have a saying in America. Okay. Only Nixon could go to China,
right? means that someone who has been so right wing, and so hawkish
could meet with the enemy. Right. And I'm not even saying that
they're the enemy. And the selfie brothers. They're not my today
that are sort of like cooled it down. We've said this before my
enemies, right. They might be someone else's enemies who are
extreme in some extreme parts. Right. But are the American Imams
who are sort of Salafi leaning? or what have you? Well, they're not
our enemies. They're they're okay. They have that belief. And they
don't even delve into it and go into it. So the situation in
America is very different situation than perfect.
Let's just say it outright.
America is not Birmingham, let's whatever, whatever happened to
assuming the best.
Like, if there's an interpretation, that's better take
that one. Stop. This, leave it alone. I'm off. I'm off on social
media. I quit. I quit a few weeks ago after after some back and
forth about like, it's a similar likes, and somebody was like, Oh,
how do you say this about you only stand to gain like
nobody went after me. We just had a discussion about it. It was a it
was a thing. Somebody's hosting a conference and they gave like an
honorific to somebody who doesn't deserve it. Oh, yeah. Legitimately
doesn't deserve it. But just assume that they did it for a good
reason. Or that or is it a mistake? I'm telling you, they're
there, even if it's a mistake, let it go. So what do you got to make
a big deal about it? There are there are PR online internet
mistakes that happen all the time in a big organization like that?
Big organizations also have mistakes, right? I'm a I'm a
mainstream analyst on a Sunday.
Muslim because of the people in that organization. Yeah,
absolutely. So give me a break and give and give your elders. By the
way, I was with Imam Zaid that whole weekend. Right where they
got on him for that Elijah month they got on him for his other
issue. I was with him the whole time. He explained these things,
right. He said,
I didn't even agree that most of the people who didn't even, like
want to be on the talk, they rented the space. And they wanted
to just talk about the historical effects. Nobody, they said you
could advertise it, and they didn't know that they're gonna put
the honorable and you don't by the way, the Honorable Elijah
Muhammad, that's actually like, that was my argument. Yeah. It's
It's like somebody is a priest, a priest, an Anglican. You call them
the most reverend. Everybody says Alex doesn't mean that he's
Alexander the Great. Exactly doesn't mean your mate. You're a
Catholic. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's it and that.
Everybody says Mahatma Gandhi, right? 100%. Wrong. 100% wrong. So
what this means people are better than you anyway.
I don't have to agree with everything that they do. But come
on, most of the men in their 50s and 60s, that's the thing I've
seen there comes a point. Have some some some modesty about your
young age, and how do you express yourself? It's like, it's like
Mahatma Gandhi. It's like Mahatma is. I mean, it's just like a form
of reverence. It's like the great, you know that my kids go.
Probably I don't have to have the Muslim kids a lot. But they get so
confused by some names. Like, we talked about India. My daughter
said, What about Mahatma Gandhi? Mahatma Gandhi
totally confused with said Abraham Lincoln.
His face looks like
so my one of my last things that I put up before I quit Twitter was,
you know, that Shams is a Kentucky Colonel, which is like a thing
that the state of Kentucky does they they give you an honorary
title as a colonel and as a state for for like public service and
contributions. Yeah, like the colonel from KFC. That's the kind
of Colonel Colonel. Yes. So the practice when you're when you get
that honorific, it's just like, if you're the mayor, or a governor or
something like that, you're referred to as the honorable.
So in that whole mess, I was like, it would be appropriate and
customary to refer to him as the honorable Sheikh Hamza uses
the you know, they'd actually put out what do you call an article,
like redressing all these points, like just recently? Like, yeah, I
actually thought it was problematic when they when it
initially happened, because there was a lot of people I'm dealing
with.
I mean, but then like he said, he actually said, like that he
himself didn't agree with it. And also like this, using that term,
didn't imply anything about him. Because everybody who knows who
Elijah Muhammad is would not be confused that that's Islam. Right?
This is
exactly right. Number one, nobody. No, of course, we don't like we,
of course, we don't honor him. We don't think highly of him. We he
was he was more than a cafe. Right? He was somebody who claimed
prophethood he was. Right. So we leave that alone. But we also know
that that's just an official title. And I'm not flipping I'm
not gonna flip out. flip out if somebody goes to speak at a masjid
and we advertise and go the Most Reverend, so and so. And they'd be
like, what? He worships a man. I mean, he's a mushrik. Like, why
everything's that literal, then it's like, you can't even use like
the days, the names of the days of the week, right? It's
Thursday. So it's like all those people like, what are you doing?
At that point? Literally, like, Vasily Imam hasn't. He says, give
me a Muslim 73? Excuse me three excuses. So we'd have to think
about that when it comes to a post. This is a post this is not a
policy. This is not a theological essay that he wrote. Right? Not to
mention the posts, the end of this.
The end of that of that saying is also if you don't find it, no, I
accepted the issues with you're the one with the problem, not your
brother.
And look for 70 And if you can't find it to you, yeah, and we're
not talking about a random version. We're not talking about
someone with a bad track record. We are talking about people who
have done couldn't have Dean for 30 and 40 years. Okay, so they
have a track record of trying to be on the truth and being on the
truth. So we're not talking about someone like Reza Aslan, who has
the opposite track record.
So we're not talking about that so let's go to husband fund and have
an African and let's learn more and get out here all right, yeah,
I was just gonna say just the close it off. You know what the
100 square miles of Birmingham is not the
hotspot that so we've got everything that we do have a lot
of listeners from Birmingham but I just want to say that I'm with
their leaf right.
You call him a Mufti?
I shouldn't call him up.
I you know the the cultural landscape and
The understanding of American Muslims and I would even say if
you went even deep like if you went to Philadelphia, the culture
of the Muslims in Philadelphia is different than the culture of
Muslims in New York City. Right as the culture of Muslims in India
versus the culture of Muslims in Birmingham versus the culture of
Muslims in Canada or Egypt, right. So I mean, you got to address
things in there like context, really sharp beard and a haircut
attest to the fact that
is that today, Mashallah.
He's got he's working in Philly, 90 comes back.
For the people who don't know, one time, I was in the area. And I
saw, you know, that picture that has all the different cuts? Yeah.
And all the way in the bottom right? They got the Sunni, it
said, so now. It's called the Sunni, that beard is even called
the Sunni, you know, fairly and stuff. Hey, can I say something
really quick? All right. So remember, we were having that
discussion today about that article that Mark manly had
written that moved us forward? Yes. It's a good article, maybe we
should post it or something. But I just want to say that when I was
in, I spent just a few days in Morocco over the summer. And I had
the same feeling that I had whenever I go in the Muslim world,
but it was more pronounced this time, which was that, and I didn't
have an explanation for it's just a feeling that being Muslim in a
place like that is actually possible. Which means that the
counter of that is true as well, which is being Muslim in a country
like this. It's maybe not fully possible. And which, like what,
like being Muslim in America is not fully possible, like being
Muslim is like what I posted on the group is like, you know, just
being a proper normal, everyday Muslim, praying your five times a
day giving your God helping the poor, you know, visiting the sick,
as you're saying, it's not possible. It's much more difficult
here, right? So what he meant Mark was saying is that we in all of
this, trying to fight to preserve our deen, sometimes we we, we we
overlook just the mere the sheer joy of being a Muslim, right, just
living our life and telling our families about how happy we are
that we're Muslim. And just like, like it was pre 911, right? Yeah.
Before every before people started attacking Islam, and then people
started defending Islam. And then people started selling out their
Islam so that they could be accepted. And then the next few
came from the different from that, and this is the whole cycle that
we've been going through. And that's all we're doing now is
being reactive and reactionary, instead of just being Muslim.
Yeah. And it's absolutely true. And when I'm in the Muslim world,
in this last time, I felt more pronounced. It just felt like if I
lived here, and I wasn't even in like, first I was in Marrakech,
right? I just felt like if I lived here, I could be, it will be so
easy to be a Muslim all the time. Right? It wouldn't it wouldn't be
it wouldn't be, it wouldn't, I wouldn't have to ever think about
it. Yeah. Whereas when I'm in America, it's constantly work just
to be on my, on my Islam, or maybe there's more reward, inshallah
just felt good. I mentioned just one thing, just
the new guy, you don't get
just as a positive note,
like I think that I mean, I think especially in this country, we're
in a situation very much like the American situation where the and
the Mexican situation produced the best believers, right? Like you
don't have pressure. Yeah, you don't have pressure you don't you
also the 10 people promise paradise are all from Mecca.
Right? Yeah. So like you don't? So I think one of our other example,
Mahendra
not sure I agree with that. But I think like Islam, I think like
history has shown that Islam really shows itself under
pressure, like and I think true. I think that's a quality of the
truth. Like one of the reasons that I find the sun personally
convincing is that it's able to deal with so much diversity,
right? When it's put under pressure. It has a response to it.
It actually blossoms, right? And I think like, that's that unique
opportunity here and here in America. So I just want to be
optimistic about that was very beautiful. So no, no, and we got
to blossom into something that maybe some other groups did. And
that is connected with the poor parts of the country. And I don't
know if I've said this before, but we are we have a group that makes
a run every week. If I had the money, I would make that run every
day, we'll make a run with about maybe 50 or 60 containers of food
to the local area. That's really poor day laborers, drunks, and all
that people were like chronically drunk, and my opinion is are
chronically high on something. They're done. They're cracked,
their brains are fried, whether they're guilty for doing it
themselves or not. Who knows. But in my opinion, is like some people
you just have to take care of them for life. There's no getting them
out of a rut right there in the rough permanently. Just help them
and make it easier and give them food. I really believe that that's
what Muslims should be focused on on. And Winter's coming. Oh, well,
yeah. Not only that went to winter, the allegorical winter of
another economic downturn. You see it in the news every day. They're
predicting. Right? Well, I mean, we're bubbling. So yes, what
markets exactly and what kind of response are we going to have? Are
we going to have responses just worrying about ourselves?
I was crying and all that stuff. Alright, so let's wrap it up just
coming off here this first episode of episode or season three, s
three E one
does that go lock in? And we want to wrap it up. That's it. It's all
thank you everyone. Thank you for the time and comments coming out
and now
it's it's an honor to you know, be in the same table as Dr. shot the
other people
I really mean that so you did a great job. All right. All right.
We're looking forward to an awesome episode next week or the
week after I think so listen to that. That's that's a great
breakdown on theodicy and the problem of evil. So look forward
to that and inshallah we'll talk to you soon. I said, I'm on a good
one.