Shadee Elmasry – S3 E1 Is Seeing Believing

Shadee Elmasry
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The

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Ministry of Energy and modern human

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beings As salam o aleikum wa rahmatullah wa barakato.

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What's going on guys, welcome back to season three of the Safina

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society podcast. We are joined today by our regular crew,

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brother. Yes. And Dr. Shetty and we have joining us Nazmul Hassan

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as well. You'll be hearing him and use of Hussein throughout the

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season a little bit more along with Matthias.

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So we'll talk about that in future episodes. Ben, Surely he's joining

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us today for our episodes. So how you guys been? It's been like,

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last time we actually recorded was what madman Luke's? Yeah, well, we

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did the minimum Luke's I think we had a couple of solos in between,

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but it's always good to get everyone together. Absolutely.

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It's not easy to do in these podcasts getting everyone

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together, but Hamdulillah.

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And we have an episode coming out. Another solo one with Nazarene and

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Dr. Share the on the problem of evil, I'm gonna say live on here

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so they can be held to a date.

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We're doing it Wednesday, right? We're doing Wednesday.

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So I'm sure that should be that should be a good one, they're

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going to be covering the problem of evil and theodicy. And I know

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we've claimed to cover the problem of evil and two previous episodes,

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but we don't think we did a good job on that. So we did a great

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job.

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We just started this season, and you're already wrong.

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I don't think we did a good job. We did a great job, the skeptic

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and atheist will never be satisfied. And that's why a lot

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said about that use and home use I don't don't even ask because

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you'll never be satisfied. Likewise, the issue of Kedah for

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example?

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No, no, you might be you might be thinking from the perspective of

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the questioner. Yeah, I've seen these people before Muslims, who

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approach the matter, not from an issue of submission and belief,

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but from a rational basis. They never satisfied and the never

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satisfied with God, or evil, right. And we say to them, you're

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approaching it from the perspective of a Kaffir to be

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honest with you, because Allah says lay use Amaya. So we already

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know that the profit is the real only two questions or this is the

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the really, really one question if you think about it, is the

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prophesy seven true or false? Because if the prophets I said was

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true in his claim, that means Allah exists, that means the Quran

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and Sharia are all true. That's the only real question we need to

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ask. Right? Yeah. Then part of the package is let us around Maya. So

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that's absolutely Russia. I was having this conversation with

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someone.

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Recently ish convert, and he was saying, you know, there's some

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issues that I come across. Sometimes I feel like, I'm not

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sure about these things, right. And I said, well, listen, that's

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forget about delving into the details of a fake ruling or

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whatever. Do you believe that God exists? 100% Sure. That's not a

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question. Right. So we passed that with him. Hamdulillah. And then

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the next question was, What's better than Islam? What's more

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believable? What's more rational? What makes better sense to you?

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Any of these other religions? Would you rather be a Hindu

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phobia? A Hadith and badDo? You mean, what are their beliefs?

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Yeah, exactly. And he was like, yeah, absolutely. I said, Well,

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that's all you really need to do. And then the rest of it is trust

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in a lot and, you know, move forward and expect that if it's

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not revealed to you in this life, it will be revealed to you in the

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next so what Moyne men, which is I know what he meant, which is that

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there are different angles to the question. Sure. And what you meant

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is that the structure of how we structured it was more fluid than

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systematic. Well, now we have shaken as well.

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I'm not

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sure what's your job? Actually. I'm

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he's another IT guy. This is my first time. Bring it closer. How

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was it your first time when you had a solo? Oh, yeah, I forgot.

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I'm actually a software developer. Okay, that's good. I do the same

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thing that we all kind of software. Do you develop? Video

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games? No, no, not video games humbler? Video.

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Just web applications like UI? Like What? What? Which one that

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went out there those popular

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monday.com None of my work is public. He works for Comcast. Oh,

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use for that. Yeah. I thought you meant like some public stuff. I

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mean, you and a bunch of DCI TP

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neither did anything wrong. On the closest one to being an IT person.

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Like you guys, I know. Sounds like a you know, it's like a designer.

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I'm pretty close. I'm pretty close. Do you know that a world

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without pain design would require so would require a complete

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alteration of everything in the world.

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Right? A world without pain would change everything. Right? Because

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a world without pain would mean that they're on

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no victors because one of the pains is the pain of loss, the

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pain of defeat would be no victory. Right? There will be it

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would necessitate no free will. Right? We don't necessitate no

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free will. Because if there's no pain, there's no infliction of

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someone doing pain on someone else. So you have to stop him from

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having any free will to do that. So if you're going to stop that

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you're going to stop every other free will. Right? All other if you

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can't selectively stop free wills. Because if I do something, like

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get a job over someone else, okay? I'm have my family celebrating his

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family's crying, right? So if we eliminated that pain, you also

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eliminated that happiness, the opposing happiness. So the so this

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is what Nazmul what he's going to do is let's just say not as Can we

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just say No? Way. Cool, then.

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I've gone this long, as long as more people call me by my last

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name, which is Hassan. Hassan. Yeah. They didn't even pronounce

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that right.

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Yeah, asanas? Something like that? No. So that's basically what what

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noses done is structured. Shift No, and see without sure how

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structured it right in different things. So I'm assuming that's

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what you're talking about. Yes, that's what I meant. That's

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obviously what I meant. Yeah. So continue on with your intro.

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So, the the episode that we're going to talk about today, and the

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topic that we're gonna talk about is, you know, why revealed

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knowledge is greater than empirical knowledge and incident

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that I'd like to talk about recently, that occurred, I mean,

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Saad sent me a video. I think, last week, or a few days ago,

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about a show we used to watch and it was about a villain, and he's

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talking about ebooks right in the future.

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And so it's actually an anime show called psychopaths. And it's a

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it's a villain, who lives in the future, the show takes place in

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the future, I'm not going to go into the background of the show,

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but it's about ebooks. And he told me, he's talking about the concept

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of ebooks. And the other guy's like, you know, I read everything

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on ebooks. So the, you know, the villain makishima He says, you

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know,

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you know, I prefer to read, you know, unreal books, right? Because

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real books have a feeling that the, that is beyond just,

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you know, reading on a digital screen, right? The, the actual,

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you know, smell of the paper, the tactile feedback of actually

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reading, that even when you're reading a book, right? You may be

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reading something, and you may not actually comprehend what you're

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reading, but the tactile feedback of moving the pages of your mind,

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you know, velocity of reading through the words makes a

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difference sounds like a hipster hears

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he was a psycho, but I mean, a lot of his points, you know, made a

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lot of sense. And the reason I bring that example up is because

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of this idea that you know, there are experiences and there is

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knowledge that is beyond the empirical and that's why I brought

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that example up, right? He's, he says that, you know, the,

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the experiential knowledge is that's a type of knowledge that's

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not empirical but we all admit that it exists and so one great

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example that somebody posted in our notes is that take a person

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that's colorblind right?

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Let's you know, this woman she cannot see any type of color

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all right.

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So so she can't see she gets she's colorblind. And but she reads on

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the study of the color red and studies up about it, she reads

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about all of the different spectrums of light and she knows

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everything there is to know about the color red, right? From the

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wavelength it has to how it hits your heart, how it hits your eyes,

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everything. Now nobody with you know, rational faculties would say

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that let's say now this person goes from being colorblind to

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being blind to go being colorblind to now being able to see in color

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now she sees red is her knowledge of red different than than it was

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before. That's totally different. That's why

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it's experienced, whatever it may be, I think all human beings were

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rational, who see this example can all accept that you know her

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knowledge before and after is different right? So that so that

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we can accept that you know, there is knowledge that is not

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necessarily empirical to it right? And that's where I kind of want to

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set the stage for the episode and where I kind of want to take this

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as you know, what is the importance of revealed knowledge

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and and it's not to throw out empirical knowledge because that's

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important as well. But

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so, let your friend unless you unless you unless you take like

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Humes view

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of scale of skepticism, where even empirical knowledge is not as is

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not it's not solid. It's not what we what we think it is, right? So

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according to Hume view, we should be skeptical even of the things

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that we think are purely empirical, right, or sensory

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perception. Yeah, because sensory perception relies on past

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experience to give meaning to what we're experiencing in the present

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and is limited to perspective. Of course, there's also the

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assumption that what has happened in the past is going to happen in

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the future, which is an assumption, which is an assumption

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that not necessarily really has no basis, right. We're just, it's all

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just speculative. So even empirical knowledge, it's all

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based on this speculation that the, that the present and future

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will resemble the past. And we only believe that because of our

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experiences, not because of anything that concretely

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verifiable empirical is the wrong name for empirical knowledge. So,

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by empirical you're talking about observable sensory perception,

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knowledge or sensory perception, which is basically that give an

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example that of which can be dubious. You talk about, like, for

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example, the shadow, I'll give, you know, I'll give a great

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example for Muslims, right? So, empirically, you would say that

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the sun always rise from the rises. That's a fact. It's a fact.

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It's an empirical fact. Well, how do we know that? Because it always

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has, yes. And then I saw do it again this morning. So for sure,

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it's going to tomorrow until the day arises from the west. Yeah, so

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that's the black swan case, right? The idea that swans are always

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been defined as white birds with long necks, etc, etc. Until one

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day in Austria, they discovered an actual Black Swan. Right? It's so

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as a question, because I know more you made the distinction between

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race something that you experienced, right, like in the in

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the case of the woman being colorblind, her actually

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experiencing the color red for the first time versus observable

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phenomena? So how are the two distinct? Well, yes, and that

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cares, right? Yeah, first of all the Muslims have so many

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theologians put a great limit on the type of empirical knowledge

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that is science, something as a fact, simply because it has always

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happened, right. And we put that into balance, where it's not a

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rational impossibility, that the reverse happens. So there's a big

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difference between that saying that the sunrises from sun will

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always rise from the east as a statement of fact, okay, and that

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there's no such thing as square circles as effect, right? So the

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one is logical, it's a rational impossibility, because it's the

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two words are always built will be mutually exclusive, square and

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circle. However, it's in the Quadro of Allah is in the power of

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Allah to Allah to make the sunrise from the West, make fire, not

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burn, make water not drown, make sugar, not sweet, that's possible.

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And the other thing that comes from what you were just saying

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that is that when you accept the so called empirical, empirical

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worldview, you also automatically assign causation. And causation

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can be randomness, it can be, you know, laws of nature are legit

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laws of nature, right? That are unchangeable and immutable, but

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they don't necessarily need to be Yeah, and you exclude the primary,

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the true cause of all things almost. So I guess what I was

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asking was, isn't isn't the woman right? In your example, and maybe

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the example it's out of out of the scope of the example, but in the

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woman observing the color red, isn't that an empirical

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observation? Right, like she sees the color red, like how is that

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not empirical? I think the the, it's not the observable

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phenomenon. That's, that's the change in the knowledge. It's the

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because she already knew everything there was to know about

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the color red right before she even learned got to see it. So

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technically, her empirical knowledge hasn't increased. She

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already knew everything there was to know about red. It's only her

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experiential knowledge of the color residence change. So you

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know, how we would how we will put it, we will put it that there's

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three types of knowledge. There's transmitted knowledge, rational

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knowledge and sensory knowledge are observable knowledge and

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transmitted knowledge can lend you knowledge of something.

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Rational knowledge, okay, rational basis for that lens, use something

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else. And then the finally seeing that lends you a different angle.

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So what you're, what you're saying is now her transmitted knowledge

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can only take you to a limit, right? And then once you add no

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sensory perception to it, okay, you're adding a higher level. So

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remember, the Zadie says someone who's heard about a fire

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that there's a fire in the woods, someone who's seen it with his own

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two eyes at someone who's felt the heat the three are different. And

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in the Quran, we have I entered eliminating that you've heard

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about something I end up in you've seen something and how clearly

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you've experienced something and the highest is happily a clean,

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but interestingly, a mammal has added carries on and he says that

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even if someone possesses happily a clean, right, he's still limited

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There's certain things he cannot do. For example, just because

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you've experienced the year we've seen the color red or experienced

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the heat of a fire doesn't mean we can teach a course on it. And vice

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versa, right. So for example, the woman who studied everything about

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the wavelengths of the color red and what it's doing all that she

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could teach a course on it.

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Even if you've never seen it, colorblind, however, the person

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who because that's a core knowledge is the realm of

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transmission.

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Whereas just for seeing the color red doesn't necessarily mean we

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could teach anything about it. So likewise, imamo has that he also

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says that most Muslims know Allah experience experientially, but

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they can't speak about Allah. And many items and scholars who have

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been educated and young people who spent four or five years in the

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madrasa can give you a lecture about Allah, and they have less

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experience with Allah. So.

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So that's how it is there a difference? And there are

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superiorities in different ways. And this is where it's actually

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linked to what we've been trying to say, for the last few years of

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goof ism is that just because you have had an experience doesn't

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mean you could talk.

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Right? And just because you're talking doesn't necessarily mean

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you're claiming an experience. Right.

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I just want to go back to the the the example. It's called the Sally

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and Sally and the color red. So if people want to look up, just look

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up Sally and the problem knowledge on it. Yeah, it's a paper. Well,

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the philosophers always tried to make the things sound like cute.

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So Did Did I explain it correctly, though? I mean, what's the

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difference between her knowledge, you know, like, as Saad said,

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because now I'm curious about his question is, is it it's still

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empirical knowledge going from,

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you know, seeing the color and you know, not knowing about the color

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and then seeing it isn't that still impure? It's still empirical

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knowledge. But the point of that thought experiment was to show

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that materialism is false, right? Because the materialist would say

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that everything that you would need to know about the world is

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contained with within like objects like, Okay, I have a question that

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you probably came across in your rebuttals of these things. Yeah.

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You just said that the materialist philosophy. Yeah. Which is, is

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that everything that is knowable, is only knowable, empirically.

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Right? How was that thesis proven? Empirically? It's not it's not I

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was.

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This is why this is why materialism like as a philosophy

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is not I mean, it doesn't go anywhere, right? Because it's self

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contradictory. The but that particular experiment was to show

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that consciousness, right consciousness, we can all agree

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something immaterial. Right? Right. Because it's not something

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we can find under a microscope. It's not something we can sort of,

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you know, like, oh, there's consciousness, go look it up.

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There's also no effect no cause that can bring it into effect.

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Right?

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Right. And no material cause and for that matter, right, so this

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example of Sally knowing everything about the color red,

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but still being colorblind, it doesn't give her enough knowledge

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for her to say, I know the color red, it's only when she's

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conscious of it. Right? Only when she's constantly that she gains a

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new knowledge, that's not material, you know what I mean? So

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it's not material. So therefore, this type of experience, even

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though it's empirical, it's, it's something, there's an added thing

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to it, the conscious understand the conscious understanding, which

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is not empirical. Now define for the audience? What? Because I know

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some of them are going to be on Wikipedia, if they're really

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how do you actually define empirical for a common person

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who's listening? Or college freshman who's listening? How

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would you define empirical empirical is just through the any

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knowledge that comes to the five senses, okay, so that's what we

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sensory. So the so the British empiricist. So this tradition of

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empiricism comes through the British philosophers like Locke

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and Hume and so on. They thought that human beings start off with a

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blank slate. Right, right. And the outside world makes impressions.

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So imagine the human mind is like, a, like a cushion. Yeah. And

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impressions are like, you know, sort of put into this cushion. And

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then that's how you sort of get experience, right? Yeah. And your

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entire knowledge is sort of built off of this. But then, as Alex

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pointed out, this leads to a denial of causation. It leads to a

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denial of like, any type of rational thought, because if all

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your knowledge is just coming from empirical, you know, just

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empirical impressions, right? You saying that, okay, the ball

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breaking the glass, is there's a cause between the ball and the

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glass, right? Right. That's something you added in there,

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right? That's not something you see empirically. Right? Say, say

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that one more time, but someone's station No. saw the, you saw the

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interaction. But you did not see that the ball, pause the grade,

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right. You just see, then what would you say caused it could be

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anything? No, no. So causation. It's

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Alpha is something you can't like, get empirically. It's something I

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forgot assertion. Yeah, it's something that it's something that

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our mind puts there, right? It's so if your assertion of sorry,

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it's like the Aristotelian assertion of gravity, right? Oh,

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there's like a magical force, something. Some things are imbued

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with levity, and others are imbued with happiness. And so, birds fly

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in humans are stuck to the ground, because of like, an innate trait.

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And that's the cause of it. And which philosophers recognize that

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idea are admitted to that. Oh, that causation is philosophical.

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Well, so like, the the the ones that the British empiricist? Yeah.

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So I mean, they would say, themselves or so in that case,

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well, then, this idea, this assertion of causation, our

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children are born with it. So I'm gonna, we're gonna back up one

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second, one second, so that we don't go so deep that people are

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confused. So

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somebody might listening might have to re listen to that last

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like, five minute segment, just want to recap it. So can you

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explain why there is no why there would be you know why this

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causation is assumed once, for example, a ball hits hits a piece

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of glass, right? Just then we'll get to what duction this point

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was. So it's something that Alex mentioned previously, that all of

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you so if you say if you say that all of your knowledge is

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empirical, only if all we're only admitting empirical knowledge, and

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nothing else to be served. Yeah. Yeah. In terms of reasoning, not

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deductive. Exactly. So all your reasoning is inductive, right? You

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there's no, there's no way there's no ground for you to make rational

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conclusions. Right. Because all your reasoning is inductive. You

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just see events, you know, a Cosby, a Cosby, Cosby, because

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I've seen it the last 2000 times. Right. Right. But there's no,

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like, you have to be skeptical. Right. There's no way that you can

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have certainty. Yeah.

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Yeah. iCj absolute certainty, right. Rice will always happen in

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the future. Exactly. Okay. Now button, by the way, in Sharia

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though. So, the theologians have separated things that theologians

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hold. Right. And these are not contradictory points. The

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theologians hold that you're right, that we don't admit this

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causation, right, and that the fire can one day not burn, if it

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allows it not to burn so that you return everything to Allah to

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Allah. The jurists, however, hold something else that jurist holds,

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that when we live in day to day life, that is admissible evidence.

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And that's where it could become obligatory to seek medicine. If a

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person didn't seek medicine for their child based upon this

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thesis, they could be held accountable for homicidal neglect,

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for example, right you're and the proof they have for this is that

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Allah says in the semi well also the cruel animus ruler, which

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means that Verily the hearing transmitted knowledge and what a

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bust out of the seeing sensory perception and the heart around

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reason, okay, all of this you can be asked about. So the Juris holds

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that even though the theologians are correct, that this is not a

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real causation. And it is only because Allah is the One who Allah

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ordained that all the time, water will quench thirst, right? Or at

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these times, so that you don't go crazy. He created certain causes

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and effects that are predictable. So you don't go crazy. We believe

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that and that there's the water doesn't have any causation and

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itself knife doesn't have a causation itself, etc. However,

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the jurists hold that they are actionable items, though, so that,

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for example, if you don't observe something, if every day,

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you know that gravity exists, and then I give you an iPhone, and you

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stick in front of a toilet, and you say, well, the theologian

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said,

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might not happen this time judge will rule for Right, right. So

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there's the main section that the audience should know. And that's

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a, that's a completely irrational distinction, too, because

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otherwise, nobody, nobody would be able to function on a day to day

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level of like, Hey, I step out the door and I'm not going to fly into

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the sky. So I'm never going to step out the door because out of

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that fear, so you have to operate on those reasonable so then let's

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make that clear to the audience that their their philosophical

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discussions that that pertain to theology, right? And beliefs, and

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they are oftentimes different. Okay, then what applies to the

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Juris FIP and everyday actual living? So, I mean, you started

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this off with I guess the the difference or the forget to Sally

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thing

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with the with the difference between revealed knowledge right

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and empirical knowledge, so maybe

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we can we can talk about the distinctions there and then kind

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of that Yeah, that's so that was sort of my next point, which is,

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you know, so then we understand what empirical knowledge and what

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what is necessarily revealed knowledge is that knowledge for

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example, that is from hadith is it knowledge that, you know, that we

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take from any person in the past say, like, you know, the

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scriptures of the Bible and the Torah or

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Is it only the Quran like how do we understand revealed knowledge

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and how do we differentiate? So revealed knowledge is under the

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category of transmitted knowledge. So the automat place, all of

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religion, Quran, Hadith, everything in the same category of

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transmission, it's just that it's sacred and it's the the link ends

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or rises to the heavens, right? Where so history, journalism and

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Revelation are three transmitted knowledges. Now journalism is

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everyday stuff, right? History is within you know, human behavior.

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But revelation is a transmission going way back to a prophet to an

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angel to Allah subhanaw taala. So for that reason, the Mohammed

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defini they basically had to Thien Hadith scholars, and scholars in

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general, historians and journalists have the same

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principles. But you can imagine that the scholars of religion,

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they apply those same principles of how to accept a transmission on

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like steroids, because there's Heaven and * involved. So what

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you're talking about in standards is reliability of sources, yeah,

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of sources. So when it comes to the scholars, let's say a

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memorable party, versus a top historian versus the top

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journalist, the journalist will be considered the the thinnest of

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threads needed to make an assertion, the historian will need

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a thicker thread. But the Muhaddith like human body will

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need a rope, right? Because now history doesn't affect your day to

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day life. History doesn't affect whether or not you're gonna wear

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hijab. Yeah. Right. That's a big deal. As affects my life. Is that

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in fact, my life is salvific consequently, yeah. Right. And and

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also not just salvific every day, right is study Quran language.

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So everyday life is affected. So I could be really bothered. Think

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about this. The trend, I think I talked about this before, the

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transmission of one narration that is so basic could alter a woman's

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life, for example, a very small thing. Women if they have a really

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thick eyebrow, or it's connected a little bit, right. There is a

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narration from epidemis owed. Okay, that states that

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there's a narration that's where everything is owed. A woman had

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had cleaned up her eyebrows, right. And they've been missing

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food says Allah's Christmas baby. Right? And she said, How can you

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say that when the Quran hasn't done that, right, said anything

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like that? She said, because she was his watch front. And she was

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coming in, and he forbid the wrong race that Allah

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is cursed. So she says that in the Quran, she said it is he said, it

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is because Quran says obey the Prophet. And he said, the prophet

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never said this, right. And then he cited.

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He cited something. But in fact, he cited something from himself

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basically, how he understood it. The prophesy Saddam had set hadn't

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had made a statement which he cited, which he understood as

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including cutting the eyebrow hair, right? That's how he

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understood it. Right? So now this is now transmitted, as the prophet

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has cursed the one who trims eyebrows. So a Muslim girl, let's

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say, is growing up, her eyebrows are a bit bushy. And

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unfortunately, I don't have the exact saying, unfortunately, I

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apologize because it's not on my mind right now. But she has had

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the exact idea from episode. But it's that she now then will not do

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this. And she will go to school, and she will be looked at and she

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will be she'll feel weird because everyone else does it. Now,

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that transmission is actually the magic is did not accept it.

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Because they accepted the transmitter of mission of St.

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Aisha, a woman outside Asia about to get married. Can I clean up my

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eyebrows? Right? She said not only clean up your eyebrows, if you can

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actually replace your eyes and put new ones.

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But they do it. In other words, and there's multiple Hadith from

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say that it's your permitting that Right, right. So that's an example

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where a transmission a single transmission, okay, will have a

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day to day effect on a person. And you might think, wow, what how is

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this a big deal? Well, it is a big deal that's on your face. It's

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part of your face, your face is a big deal. Right? So in the medical

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school, it is permitted. The only time it's not permitted is in

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dead, which is when mourning period after the husband dies,

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right? That's the only time it's not permitted. And the intention

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should be for the husband. In other words for to look good in

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marriage. Right. But it's permitted throughout also, I mean,

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I think another another

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mic is about to fall over. So I feel like another benefit in

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transmitted knowledge over MP

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lyrical knowledge is just the time element, right? For example, I can

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learn that fire is going to burn me by putting my hand in a fire,

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right. And that's, that's an empirical method, I conducted an

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experiment, I put my hand in a fire, and it burned. But that's

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the hard way of learning something, somebody could tell me,

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Hey, don't put your hand in that fire, it's gonna burn you. That's

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a shortcut to that knowledge without having to go the empirical

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route, right. And so that's actually a benefit that

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transmitted knowledge has over empirical knowledge. Because I

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don't have to arrive at that conclusion myself, that also

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raises a point that I was going to make, which is that the vast

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majority of what people are calling empirical knowledge is

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actually transmitted, right? Yeah. And by the way, what you said is

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very true. And it's what every parent says to their son, listen,

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I've made these mistakes don't make these mistakes. Now, here's

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something that's very important to know though.

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Transmitted knowledge, even though it's a shortcut, it does sort of

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in a sense, and

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it does, in a sense handicap a person, because empirical

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experiences

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give a person stronger, deeper knowledge, more certain knowledge.

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So why, why can Malcolm X go until gangsters to come off the street

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and I can't write, because he's experienced, he knows how to

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everything about saving all my hot dog was keenly aware of this when

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he said, When he looked upon the born Muslim kids, teenage kids who

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grew up in total Islam never seen an idol in their life. Never seen

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COFA never had anyone throw a rock at them for being a Muslim, never

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saw a sword being pulled out on them. He looked and he worried,

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right? He worried right? And he said, Islam can be can can end at

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the light at the aura can weaken at the hands of these folks why?

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He I saw Cofer I know go for it, they don't. So in that sense,

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transmitted knowledge, of course, is a shortcut. And which, and by

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transmitted we don't just mean revelation every all transmit

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knowledge, but at the same time experiences also lends

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credibility. Now I want to just for the sake of

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the Hadith, so say now to love and miss owed, okay said he cursed the

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one the women who practice tattooing, and those who remove

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hair from their faces and those who created spaces between their

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teeth because I was used to they used to like that in the past.

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Now, the woman said, How could you say that? He said, It's not the

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look of Allah. He said, It is in the book of Allah, where Allah

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says, Obey God and obey His messenger. Right? So he didn't

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actually even quote the prophets. I said, he gave a ruling that

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attributed the ruling to the prophets of Allah. Okay, so for

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that reason, the other scholars, the scholar ematic, the Chevy,

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they didn't give it the weight of a hadith. They gave it the weight

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of a tafsir. Right, because he didn't quote the prophet at all.

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He simply he gave a ruling and then he attributed the rune to the

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prophets, I said without citing him. Some Allah Matic says, the

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narration of say the Isha Raji Allah, Allah, Allah is greater,

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okay? Because he said, if say that Isha is telling women to do it,

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right? It's a woman's issue, who's going to know more? If it was

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Odisha? Right? So they outweighed it by that so and also a chef and

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also all of the actual Hadith of the prophets, I send them against

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tattooing. That is from the words of the prophets I set up. None of

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none of them include the the fixing up of eyebrows, none of the

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Hadith of the Prophet Can, can I just a quick aside,

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in the science of Hadith, transmission, when a hadith comes

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from one of the Union, for instance, right, we'll get along.

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There's no necessity for it to be verified by a second person

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doesn't. So the idea of, or testimony requiring to it's

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limited to certain categories and not even the most important one in

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the world, which is transmitted the deen of Allah. Okay. Yeah. And

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for those people who are interested in that question, it

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that legal issue. Imam, Sheikh Mohammed Jacobi Hafiz, Allah

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taught us the opposite. He taught it not that sorry, not. He taught

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us that the reasoning is, is the opposite of what people think the

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reasoning is that it's only in those matters where someone would

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lose a limb, or their life, a crime, or a lot of money, right?

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Where a person would suffer a great loss, that Allah does not

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want them to be the reason that a man suffered that loss and might

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haunt them for the rest of their lives. So he made it difficult for

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that reason. So Allah to Allah made it difficult for the woman to

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testify against a murderer against an issue like that where a person

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would suffer a corporal or financial loss. So that's all shut

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them out, get up Kobe, and he said it's limited to those only. And

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aside from the aside, I've never listened to mommy or Kobe. How

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With a whole lot except that he came up with something that nobody

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else had ever said, and that I never heard anybody else say, and

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then it's verifiable. There's proofs in their citations. And

00:35:09 --> 00:35:12

there's no question that it's legitimate, but it's completely

00:35:13 --> 00:35:14

something nobody else had ever thought of.

00:35:15 --> 00:35:18

Sheikh Mohammed did Jacobi is one of those that he doesn't speak

00:35:18 --> 00:35:21

without a transmission. You know that right? Yeah, he does. He he's

00:35:21 --> 00:35:25

actually one of his hobbies, is looking at chains of transmission.

00:35:25 --> 00:35:29

So transmitted. That's what I said the Hadith scholars of Islam, it's

00:35:29 --> 00:35:32

transmission on steroids. He literally has books, and I've seen

00:35:32 --> 00:35:36

him chit chatting with people. Oh, he transmits from him. No, he

00:35:36 --> 00:35:39

transmits from him. Right. And he knows the lines of transmission

00:35:39 --> 00:35:40

because that's our dean.

00:35:42 --> 00:35:45

The other person that's like that with stuff that you'll hear No,

00:35:45 --> 00:35:48

I've never heard of this. Yeah. And then, of course, it's under

00:35:48 --> 00:35:49

potential Ibrahim obviously.

00:35:52 --> 00:35:55

All right, what else? You got mine. That's it. That's a wrap.

00:35:57 --> 00:36:01

Can I jump in for a little bit? Go for the angles, I guess. Mike,

00:36:02 --> 00:36:03

this is why our mic broke.

00:36:06 --> 00:36:09

Well, did you say the fire sound is gone now after that mic fell.

00:36:10 --> 00:36:13

So much. Okay. Keep going on now. So you're gonna interject

00:36:13 --> 00:36:18

something? Yeah. So so I get this idea of, you know, having

00:36:18 --> 00:36:21

transmission and verifying these chains, right. So but somebody

00:36:21 --> 00:36:27

might ask, so let's say let's say, like a, like a Hindu, you know, he

00:36:27 --> 00:36:30

might have, you know, chains of transmission going back to his

00:36:30 --> 00:36:37

Brahmin shake, were to, to some experience that he had of Vishnu

00:36:37 --> 00:36:42

or Brahma, whatever. So like, okay, good. Right. So what

00:36:42 --> 00:36:46

distinguish so just because we have an authentic chain doesn't

00:36:46 --> 00:36:49

necessarily mean that that that knowledge that we have is reveal

00:36:49 --> 00:36:53

knowledge, you're assuming that they have a chain? Well, let's say

00:36:53 --> 00:36:56

they claim it right. No, but they have to show it. So okay, so let's

00:36:56 --> 00:36:58

say there's two accounts number the first some of them do claim

00:36:58 --> 00:37:02

it. Okay. Let's say they do they have a claim of a guy who saw his

00:37:02 --> 00:37:02

job.

00:37:03 --> 00:37:04

He doesn't know.

00:37:06 --> 00:37:06

So,

00:37:07 --> 00:37:10

yeah, just it keeps falling over. Yeah, keep your hands on it, but

00:37:10 --> 00:37:11

don't move. Yeah.

00:37:25 --> 00:37:27

Okay, he has a chain of transmission to a guy who

00:37:27 --> 00:37:28

levitated

00:37:30 --> 00:37:34

and claims claims, right? Fine. We don't believe in the prophets, I

00:37:34 --> 00:37:37

sent him because he had spiritual experiences. We believe in the

00:37:37 --> 00:37:40

prophets of Allah who it was, because he brought us rational

00:37:40 --> 00:37:43

evidences that would indicate that he's nothing other than a prophet,

00:37:43 --> 00:37:47

which are called prophecies. Right? That means and there are

00:37:47 --> 00:37:50

three types of prophecies only one applies to us the type of

00:37:50 --> 00:37:52

prophecies that he said and it happened before it was written

00:37:52 --> 00:37:56

down in a manuscript which we have today. If you quote, well, the

00:37:56 --> 00:38:01

prophesy set him said that, that St. Norbert Hertzog would be, or

00:38:01 --> 00:38:03

signal, Hussein will be assassinated and he was, Okay.

00:38:03 --> 00:38:06

Well, where'd you get that? The manuscript is there? Well, it

00:38:06 --> 00:38:09

happens before the manuscript was written. Right. So we don't admit

00:38:09 --> 00:38:12

it. And also the prophets I send to made prophecies that Prophet

00:38:12 --> 00:38:14

ASA will come back said nobody will come back to jail will come

00:38:14 --> 00:38:18

well hasn't happened yet. So that is not admitted into discussion,

00:38:18 --> 00:38:21

either. What is admitted is when the Prophet said something,

00:38:22 --> 00:38:25

and it was written down by human beings, and we have those

00:38:25 --> 00:38:29

documents in front of us at a time when that thing didn't exist. And

00:38:29 --> 00:38:32

today it exists. So it leaves you with a couple of options only

00:38:32 --> 00:38:37

number one, the Muhaddith made it up, or the scribe made it up, we

00:38:37 --> 00:38:39

would say, okay, so you now you want me to believe that the scribe

00:38:39 --> 00:38:42

took a gamble on his profit. And again, what came true?

00:38:46 --> 00:38:50

Not only that, that people who didn't even see each other, they

00:38:50 --> 00:38:54

didn't renew each other, randomly came up with the same gamble on

00:38:54 --> 00:38:58

their own prophet. And both of them came true. Because the Hadith

00:38:58 --> 00:39:01

come from many different scholars who never met each other. Yanni,

00:39:01 --> 00:39:06

for example, a Sinani never and Berkadia. Totally unrelated,

00:39:06 --> 00:39:10

right. So just because you that when people talk about the theme,

00:39:10 --> 00:39:12

they should not imagine that this is a group of people sitting

00:39:12 --> 00:39:15

around the circle. They lived in all different places at different

00:39:15 --> 00:39:18

times and even know each other. Right, right, in many cases, and

00:39:18 --> 00:39:21

didn't even see each other in many cases. Okay. So it's not like they

00:39:21 --> 00:39:24

all cited one another, like a small group who's citing one

00:39:24 --> 00:39:28

another and repeating the same thing. So at that case, we would

00:39:28 --> 00:39:31

say, Okay, you want to say, well, well, okay, well, maybe your

00:39:31 --> 00:39:33

prophet, he made a prophecy because he's trying to be a

00:39:33 --> 00:39:37

prophet. And it happened to come through. We'll tell him number one

00:39:37 --> 00:39:40

I can give you 50 Right now, that came true. But that's not really

00:39:40 --> 00:39:44

the only proof. We have to go one step further, because you could

00:39:44 --> 00:39:47

bring me another guy who made prophecies that came true. Well,

00:39:47 --> 00:39:50

let's go one was one step further. The next step further is does he

00:39:50 --> 00:39:54

have a prophecy that became false, right? The opposite because

00:39:54 --> 00:39:58

Nostradamus has a prophecy that became false. He promised He

00:39:58 --> 00:39:59

prophesied in the introduction of his

00:40:00 --> 00:40:04

book that he actually he said that in like 200 years or something,

00:40:04 --> 00:40:08

there will be such plague and famine that people won't even be

00:40:08 --> 00:40:08

able to farm.

00:40:10 --> 00:40:13

Now, Nostradamus, which is a fancy name, his name was actually like

00:40:13 --> 00:40:14

Michael of Notre Dame.

00:40:16 --> 00:40:18

They took Quantico at Nostradamus, they make it like

00:40:20 --> 00:40:24

he's, he's a philosopher, he's a doctor. He's a doctor

00:40:28 --> 00:40:29

looks like

00:40:31 --> 00:40:36

he looks like he's like a doctor in Paris, okay. And he came up

00:40:36 --> 00:40:40

with this book. And he said, No, if you look at this prophecy, it's

00:40:40 --> 00:40:43

the exact opposite happened, industrial revolution occurred.

00:40:43 --> 00:40:48

And Europe exploded with with with wealth and farming. And at that

00:40:48 --> 00:40:51

time, they actually discovered that you could put the seed into

00:40:51 --> 00:40:55

the ground, and you'll give you a 90% chance better to grow. So it's

00:40:55 --> 00:40:58

not just that the Prophet made prophecies, which were documented

00:40:58 --> 00:41:01

that occurred later in our life later on. Right? It's not that

00:41:01 --> 00:41:04

it's that you cannot find a single prophecy of the Prophet. So they

00:41:04 --> 00:41:06

said, We're the opposite happened.

00:41:07 --> 00:41:11

Number three is take it to a third level of someone makes prophecies.

00:41:11 --> 00:41:14

Great. So it was never proven wrong. Great. Are they giving you

00:41:14 --> 00:41:17

instruction on how to live? Are they telling you there's heaven

00:41:17 --> 00:41:20

and *? Are they giving you a rock and hard place situation

00:41:20 --> 00:41:23

because the Prophet Muhammad is prophesy? Saddam is saying, here's

00:41:23 --> 00:41:26

the proof. Not only that, if you don't follow this, it's eternal

00:41:26 --> 00:41:29

*, right. So number number three is what claim are they

00:41:29 --> 00:41:33

making? Okay? So there's there I told you guys about that woman.

00:41:33 --> 00:41:36

She's a nice, very nice woman, but she's making theological claims

00:41:36 --> 00:41:38

based on her experience that she's these angels. I can't remember

00:41:38 --> 00:41:42

what her name is. She's Irish. Okay. But my question is, okay, is

00:41:42 --> 00:41:46

she making a claim? Like, is she telling me how to live? She's

00:41:46 --> 00:41:49

saying that if I reject her, I go to *. So there's no claim like

00:41:49 --> 00:41:52

that. So why should I care? There's no consequence. Number

00:41:52 --> 00:41:56

four is the last one. All of these people who are in the business, do

00:41:56 --> 00:41:59

you have a fifth one? Okay. All these people who are in the

00:41:59 --> 00:42:05

business of prophecy and wizardry, okay. They are weird. Okay.

00:42:05 --> 00:42:08

They're oddballs. They have long nails, they live on the edges of

00:42:08 --> 00:42:12

society. They're not examples of life. Right? Prophet Muhammad.

00:42:12 --> 00:42:15

Sonam is an example of everyday life in everything he ruled. He

00:42:15 --> 00:42:19

did trade. He was solitary at one point in his life, he had

00:42:19 --> 00:42:21

families, he had kids, he dealt with death, he dealt with

00:42:21 --> 00:42:25

neighbors, he dealt with trade he did with everything. So on these

00:42:25 --> 00:42:28

four accounts, and we haven't even discussed the proof of the Quran,

00:42:28 --> 00:42:32

right? That's why we accept a prophet not just because there's a

00:42:32 --> 00:42:35

change. Now within the world of accepting the prophets. I send

00:42:35 --> 00:42:39

them some in order to quote him now you need to change. Right?

00:42:39 --> 00:42:43

Alright, so now you have a fifth one, just that four nozzles

00:42:43 --> 00:42:47

example. There's no way that their chains would stand up to the type

00:42:47 --> 00:42:52

of scrutiny that's necessary. Not even. Like it's impossible. They

00:42:52 --> 00:42:55

wouldn't be like you. There's no, it doesn't even come close, right?

00:42:55 --> 00:42:58

I mean, even the Christians don't have a chain. Forget about him.

00:42:58 --> 00:43:02

He's talking about books 5000 years ago, 7000 years ago, even

00:43:02 --> 00:43:04

even the Jewish people I mean, no, they don't have changed their

00:43:04 --> 00:43:08

Bibles like was rewritten, right? Like, there's no there's no change

00:43:08 --> 00:43:10

letter has changed. And there's only one religion that has changed

00:43:10 --> 00:43:12

and I'm not really worried about that competition.

00:43:14 --> 00:43:17

I'm sorry, I'm not it's an offshoot of Islam anyway, I'm not

00:43:17 --> 00:43:18

even worried about heritage.

00:43:20 --> 00:43:24

And this actually, Sikhism is a note on another thing to where

00:43:24 --> 00:43:30

when Muslims are told to attack the enemy, okay? And adjust to

00:43:30 --> 00:43:35

war. Severely, right? Fight them hard. So if the war is just fight

00:43:35 --> 00:43:39

heart, don't like go half hearted in it. Well, hold on a bit, be

00:43:39 --> 00:43:44

like stern and rough. So who practiced this? Or unzip the

00:43:44 --> 00:43:49

Mujaddid Rahim Allah whenever I don't have it, right? Or wrong. So

00:43:49 --> 00:43:53

what did he do his grandfather Akbar? allowed for six temples to

00:43:53 --> 00:43:56

be built because he was a heretic. What an inappropriate name. Yeah.

00:43:56 --> 00:43:59

Well, that's what led to his heresy. I mean, let's just go. He

00:43:59 --> 00:44:02

said, Allahu Akbar. Yeah, he said, you know that at the end of it, he

00:44:02 --> 00:44:05

was like the trump of his time. Right? But he was like more of

00:44:05 --> 00:44:08

like an intellectual and all that stuff people are like brainwashed

00:44:08 --> 00:44:11

by about AutoExec clubs. Yeah, like they're like taught that he

00:44:11 --> 00:44:14

was like, you know, the the bad ruler in Cuba was the one who was

00:44:14 --> 00:44:18

like bringing people together. There's a changing narrative about

00:44:18 --> 00:44:20

that right? There was some person in records I forget her name

00:44:20 --> 00:44:24

Audrey true. She or something. She wrote a book called earrings. And

00:44:24 --> 00:44:27

she basically argued that like his image was portrayed like that by

00:44:27 --> 00:44:30

the British. It was it was oh, yeah, I mean, it was British. It

00:44:30 --> 00:44:33

was it was to bring, you know, just just strife and stuff in

00:44:33 --> 00:44:37

India, so and the people who actually have a safe bet to

00:44:43 --> 00:44:46

the people who had that narrative to begin with, yeah, just as an

00:44:46 --> 00:44:49

aside there like 1% of people who don't matter. What matters is the

00:44:49 --> 00:44:53

people make to offer him every day, right the past by his grave

00:44:53 --> 00:44:57

and the money because sometimes we in the West give more credence to

00:44:57 --> 00:44:59

people's opinions than it really matter.

00:45:00 --> 00:45:04

That's right. Yeah. So about allowed all these hertz heresies

00:45:04 --> 00:45:07

to flourish. So he allowed for the Sikhs to build their temples. I

00:45:07 --> 00:45:09

don't even know if they're called Sikhs, whatever they're called.

00:45:09 --> 00:45:12

And of course, we know that it was started off with a mixture of Sufi

00:45:12 --> 00:45:18

poetry and it's basically Goofy is on wild, right, right. So, he then

00:45:18 --> 00:45:22

Aurangzeb really looked back at the at this and said, this was not

00:45:22 --> 00:45:26

built legitimately, right, this was not built properly. So he

00:45:26 --> 00:45:30

waged war and he tore them down. And they put their guys out and he

00:45:30 --> 00:45:34

he put his army out and they defeated them. And one thing that

00:45:34 --> 00:45:37

he said is don't kill their prints. Because that's really

00:45:37 --> 00:45:39

unnecessary roughness basically, right?

00:45:40 --> 00:45:44

That would be unnecessary, and it would just inflame the more so

00:45:44 --> 00:45:48

don't kill the elite people just tear down, remove the soldiers,

00:45:48 --> 00:45:51

push them aside and tear down the temple. So in the heat of the

00:45:51 --> 00:45:54

battle, his Aurangzeb, his brother ends up killing the prince.

00:45:55 --> 00:45:59

So they then swear an oath, that they will never shave their hair,

00:45:59 --> 00:46:03

they will never shave their beard, they will never stop kept take hot

00:46:03 --> 00:46:08

showers again, they will never stop carrying a dagger. And they

00:46:08 --> 00:46:12

will always wear a band of their shields forever until they defeat

00:46:12 --> 00:46:16

the Muslims. Okay, good luck. Yeah. So now what did that end up

00:46:16 --> 00:46:19

with? What did it end up with? It ended up with what we know now of

00:46:19 --> 00:46:23

Sikhism today is that they have to wear a symbolic dagger, the shield

00:46:23 --> 00:46:27

became a symbolic bracelet. Right? But they do keep and I'm sure once

00:46:27 --> 00:46:29

they came to America, they got in touch with it. They could take

00:46:29 --> 00:46:33

showers, right? And they still don't have any hair on but they

00:46:33 --> 00:46:37

still don't cut hair. And so what does that are women, some men or

00:46:37 --> 00:46:40

women, some of them some of but most of the ones that follow but

00:46:41 --> 00:46:46

so what is that? What is the point here? The point is that we're

00:46:46 --> 00:46:52

taught that when you apply the law properly, against the enemy, that

00:46:52 --> 00:46:55

Allah will cause them to humiliate themselves, because now what

00:46:55 --> 00:46:57

marketing do they have? Right?

00:46:59 --> 00:47:06

When we pass by, as a kid, right, I sounded up for slap. Also, it's

00:47:06 --> 00:47:06

kind of

00:47:07 --> 00:47:11

interesting that they added bits of theology based on what another

00:47:11 --> 00:47:15

group did to them after the fact. The whole thing is made up right.

00:47:16 --> 00:47:18

So to the sheep, the whole thing.

00:47:20 --> 00:47:24

Now, the Shia are also another people, right? Now, the Shia,

00:47:25 --> 00:47:28

there very another people believe in this hitting on themselves. Now

00:47:28 --> 00:47:33

look, I said one time to a common Muslim, a common kid came up to an

00:47:33 --> 00:47:36

altar. And it's just to show you the fitrah and what Allah brings

00:47:36 --> 00:47:39

on the tongues of people sometimes. He said to me, can you

00:47:39 --> 00:47:43

believe so and so says this and this in this about I said, I

00:47:43 --> 00:47:46

should say normally, I see no, these people need to be been, he

00:47:46 --> 00:47:48

turns a check. They already beat themselves.

00:47:53 --> 00:47:57

So Allah has caused them to go to that extreme to humiliate. I

00:47:57 --> 00:48:01

remember growing up and seeing shields on TV or in a documentary

00:48:01 --> 00:48:05

or something. I said, that's us. And then he doesn't know those are

00:48:05 --> 00:48:06

right.

00:48:08 --> 00:48:12

So so groups humiliate themselves, right? The people whom Allah to

00:48:12 --> 00:48:16

Allah has put a curse upon why because when you claim a religion,

00:48:16 --> 00:48:19

you're making up a lie on Allah. Right? Right. Are you making a

00:48:19 --> 00:48:22

liar? And heresy is a lie in the prophets. I said. So how does

00:48:22 --> 00:48:26

Allah to Allah give you a few talks about observable? How does

00:48:26 --> 00:48:29

Allah give you observable proof? Allah doesn't just give us

00:48:29 --> 00:48:32

rational proofs. He gives observable proofs, number one and

00:48:32 --> 00:48:34

a sunnah. If they're on right up to you the right fit. What did

00:48:34 --> 00:48:38

they produce? odf like, you want to be like them. They're

00:48:38 --> 00:48:42

beautiful, right? You really want to be like them. Now heretics.

00:48:42 --> 00:48:45

heretics? What does Allah do? Look at every heretic you will find

00:48:45 --> 00:48:48

something out there on their features that's disgusting.

00:48:50 --> 00:48:53

I'm not even kidding you. Absolutely tried even subjective

00:48:53 --> 00:48:57

right? Look at the finally one inspiring Wahhabi shift I don't

00:48:57 --> 00:48:59

want to put his face his picture up on my wall

00:49:01 --> 00:49:02

I can only for the ruling

00:49:04 --> 00:49:07

to respect the city a ruling that we don't put the walls of our

00:49:07 --> 00:49:11

machete on the on the right to respect the Serbia ruling that

00:49:11 --> 00:49:13

that there is difference of opinion on that the bulk of them

00:49:13 --> 00:49:17

say no we don't put pictures up on the walls. But look at the look up

00:49:17 --> 00:49:20

if you're if you're listening to this Google barraba document file

00:49:20 --> 00:49:23

and tell me there's not a man of Allah. I'll get upset a long time

00:49:23 --> 00:49:26

ago somebody was cell this rabbits eccmid fed. I saw

00:49:28 --> 00:49:31

I saw a blog post a long time ago back in the blogging days. Yeah.

00:49:31 --> 00:49:34

Where somebody had posted a bunch of pictures of like common

00:49:34 --> 00:49:39

commonly known artists on the ships, right. So like, people like

00:49:41 --> 00:49:41

people like

00:49:42 --> 00:49:48

Shimano Jacobi, happy Walmart, right like the the regular shoe,

00:49:48 --> 00:49:52

all of them beaming. And then they also posted all of the what

00:49:52 --> 00:49:56

happened. And it was like, for real.

00:49:57 --> 00:49:59

Now, I'm looking at this picture and what I was doing, look at that

00:50:00 --> 00:50:05

National, his his his moustache is handsome, right? His teeth are

00:50:05 --> 00:50:07

beaming, and they don't have dentists

00:50:10 --> 00:50:14

Look at his face. His beard is nicely kept like I would take him

00:50:14 --> 00:50:15

with me to school.

00:50:16 --> 00:50:20

You know the metaphor they say like, yeah, like if I want to take

00:50:20 --> 00:50:20

me to school.

00:50:22 --> 00:50:22

No

00:50:25 --> 00:50:26

I've never heard that.

00:50:28 --> 00:50:29

Like if you're a kid

00:50:32 --> 00:50:35

like that, so you guys ever heard that?

00:50:37 --> 00:50:41

Right. So now when I grew up, I grew up knowing a lot of celery

00:50:41 --> 00:50:43

chips. Right, right. It's like I would

00:50:45 --> 00:50:48

I respected them because that's what I knew. But I didn't want my

00:50:48 --> 00:50:51

friends to see that right. But I would love for someone to see it.

00:50:52 --> 00:50:55

Right? I mean, it's a part of like nails clipped, clean.

00:50:57 --> 00:51:03

Merciful, okay, merciful, right, this is this is the beautification

00:51:03 --> 00:51:06

of the Sunnah and the love of Rasulullah sallallahu

00:51:07 --> 00:51:11

as opposed to people who feel they may be religious and they may be

00:51:11 --> 00:51:13

righteous people and they may be dedicated to the Quran and

00:51:13 --> 00:51:19

dedicated to their Deen. But the, the like, Next Level love of

00:51:19 --> 00:51:23

Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wa salam it's downplayed, no. And

00:51:23 --> 00:51:27

even the Sunnah, you know, it's replaced by like cultural stuff.

00:51:27 --> 00:51:30

So like you throw in one of those quarters instead of putting on a

00:51:30 --> 00:51:35

tablet. Yeah, because the turbine is what just just the Yeah, like

00:51:35 --> 00:51:38

the core son of dress, right? Yeah, so let's amend it because

00:51:38 --> 00:51:42

Allah Allah made them abandon it so that the people know who's who.

00:51:42 --> 00:51:45

And when you look at now I'm not making fun of people will lie, but

00:51:45 --> 00:51:50

look up some of these videos of some of these Wahhabi shapes I'm

00:51:50 --> 00:51:52

telling you that's scary they're all memory TVs what have you

00:51:54 --> 00:51:56

this is really propaganda

00:51:58 --> 00:52:02

it's all it's all what have you. I'm not gonna name names. I'm not

00:52:02 --> 00:52:06

gonna do the job for him. But but some of the YouTube videos where

00:52:06 --> 00:52:08

the ship was never recorded because he didn't believe in

00:52:08 --> 00:52:11

recordings but to have like one or two pictures, this is not

00:52:11 --> 00:52:11

something

00:52:14 --> 00:52:14

to write home about.

00:52:17 --> 00:52:22

I'm telling you around, miserable, unkempt beard let me tell you

00:52:22 --> 00:52:25

another group consistently we're not just picking on Wahhabis we

00:52:25 --> 00:52:29

pick on all these radical shift videos right

00:52:31 --> 00:52:36

here a goofy A to A to too much stuff going on right

00:52:38 --> 00:52:40

there like doing weird stuff in the ship is like doing Power

00:52:44 --> 00:52:46

wait mill this like Street Fighter? Yeah. He's doing like how

00:52:47 --> 00:52:52

Allah Allah humiliates those paths. So that the common Muslim

00:52:52 --> 00:52:53

who doesn't think twice he's like, oh,

00:52:55 --> 00:52:58

you know that my dad. There was some goofy at that time. My dad is

00:52:58 --> 00:53:02

generally he's against all most of Sufis, I would say, right, because

00:53:02 --> 00:53:06

when he was young, the there was goofy groups. And they had a

00:53:06 --> 00:53:08

parade one time in Egypt.

00:53:09 --> 00:53:13

And his dad doesn't wasn't like a man of like knowledge and into

00:53:13 --> 00:53:17

these things. Common sense. When my dad went and came home and he

00:53:17 --> 00:53:23

said I had dinner with the rephase right. He got beat for the with

00:53:23 --> 00:53:26

the swords. Yeah, with all the craziness. Right. So he never came

00:53:26 --> 00:53:28

near Sufis again, right now. Here's the thing.

00:53:29 --> 00:53:33

The ship they have videos of a guy he goes on the member looking

00:53:33 --> 00:53:34

respectable.

00:53:36 --> 00:53:40

You fast forward 20 minutes that guy's turbans fly off. He's

00:53:40 --> 00:53:43

halfway fallen off the Midwest together himself with the bottle

00:53:44 --> 00:53:45

committing himself with a bottle

00:53:48 --> 00:53:49

a glass bottle he

00:53:51 --> 00:53:55

hasn't been able to contain past five minutes. I need to get my

00:53:55 --> 00:53:59

point in what what is why am I saying this? To show you that a

00:53:59 --> 00:54:02

lot on if you lie about transmission, he will humiliate

00:54:02 --> 00:54:06

you from yourself. He will the name and wedge it the Divine Name

00:54:06 --> 00:54:09

and wedge it means he brings out something from where you least

00:54:09 --> 00:54:13

expect it. Like you were just making an argument. You were just

00:54:13 --> 00:54:17

talking normally like, Why are you hitting yourself with the bottle?

00:54:18 --> 00:54:20

How is this benefiting? Remember, I was saying

00:54:25 --> 00:54:28

I need to get my point. And it's been like 20 minutes. Welcome to

00:54:28 --> 00:54:29

season three

00:54:34 --> 00:54:37

to play contrarian here, right?

00:54:38 --> 00:54:41

You know, what if I were to say that, hey, you know what, what is

00:54:41 --> 00:54:45

the value of revealed knowledge because everything that I see is,

00:54:45 --> 00:54:49

you know, revealed knowledge just gives, you know, the sectarian

00:54:49 --> 00:54:53

conflicts and you have caused all these problems in the world. It's

00:54:53 --> 00:54:56

like, why couldn't I just why couldn't I just, you know, deal

00:54:56 --> 00:54:59

with empirical reality because I mean, clearly it's been working

00:54:59 --> 00:55:00

out

00:55:00 --> 00:55:03

For me, I got a job. I got a family talk about devil's

00:55:03 --> 00:55:08

advocate. I got, you know, I Well, I mean, it's, it's a great point,

00:55:08 --> 00:55:10

right? Because that's a lot. That's what a lot of people hear,

00:55:10 --> 00:55:13

which is all I see amongst, you know, religious people or people

00:55:13 --> 00:55:17

have revealed knowledge is, you know, just strife and sectarianism

00:55:17 --> 00:55:20

and but you got all these problems and you know, you gotta you guys

00:55:20 --> 00:55:24

hate each other and but I would argue that even that, like

00:55:25 --> 00:55:30

accusation is, is not a it's not quantifiable that you can't prove

00:55:30 --> 00:55:33

or disprove that statement that there's like more strife among

00:55:33 --> 00:55:37

it's anecdotal. It's just based on things you hear. So I've already

00:55:37 --> 00:55:40

that's, that's kind of a statement that it doesn't have that much

00:55:40 --> 00:55:45

foundation, right? Like you can, you can argue that the five

00:55:46 --> 00:55:49

deadliest leaders with the most killed counts were all secular

00:55:49 --> 00:55:52

leaders, right? And so they're like, I could come up with

00:55:52 --> 00:55:55

anecdotes, anecdotes like that to that, like, oh, this, this caused

00:55:55 --> 00:55:59

so much strife, and it caused so much terror in the world. So

00:55:59 --> 00:56:02

there's that aspect. And and I feel like the other aspect is

00:56:02 --> 00:56:02

then,

00:56:03 --> 00:56:07

where are you getting guidance from? Like, general just life

00:56:07 --> 00:56:11

guidance, right? Because Because, because ultimately, when you're

00:56:11 --> 00:56:14

brought into this world, it's like, you're, you're on a moving

00:56:14 --> 00:56:16

train, right? You just find yourself on a moving train. And so

00:56:16 --> 00:56:19

like, the natural questions that somebody might have, when they

00:56:19 --> 00:56:24

find themselves in a situation is a, how did I get here? What am I

00:56:24 --> 00:56:27

doing here? And now that I'm here, what am I supposed to be doing?

00:56:27 --> 00:56:32

Right? And those are three kinds of questions that I feel like just

00:56:32 --> 00:56:36

a inexistence, that's just based on you know, like you said,

00:56:36 --> 00:56:39

mentioned just a routine of like, Hey, I go to work, and I do these

00:56:39 --> 00:56:43

things. And I, and I, you know, provide for my family find it

00:56:43 --> 00:56:45

gives me happiness, all these things. But it still ultimately

00:56:45 --> 00:56:48

doesn't address those three questions. And I feel like if you

00:56:48 --> 00:56:52

don't address those three questions, then that stuff becomes

00:56:52 --> 00:56:54

inherently meaningless anyway, because it's like, why are you

00:56:54 --> 00:56:57

doing all that? When, you know, eventually you're gonna die, your

00:56:57 --> 00:57:00

kids are gonna die, everybody's gonna die. The heat death of the

00:57:00 --> 00:57:03

universe is going to destroy, and

00:57:04 --> 00:57:07

it's gonna destroy everything. Right? But But like, then nothing

00:57:07 --> 00:57:11

has any import, right? Origins, purpose of life, destination?

00:57:11 --> 00:57:15

Well, but what if all of this material success is avail? That's

00:57:15 --> 00:57:18

all it is. But what if I was to say that, you know, that doesn't?

00:57:18 --> 00:57:21

Because all I see is well, you know, I don't know what to tell

00:57:21 --> 00:57:25

somebody like that. Except Good luck. Because many, many, because

00:57:25 --> 00:57:28

the three things that we just said also answer many legal quandaries,

00:57:29 --> 00:57:32

right, which are the causes of major cultural wars? For example,

00:57:32 --> 00:57:39

abortion. Okay. And if we had SDI basis for it, you would know one

00:57:39 --> 00:57:44

piece of information, which is the cause of the whole cultural divide

00:57:44 --> 00:57:47

on abortion, which is when does life start? Now? We only get that

00:57:47 --> 00:57:52

from Revelation 120 days, right? So now we know the difference

00:57:52 --> 00:57:53

between murder and abortion

00:57:55 --> 00:58:00

or murder. And you know, the other thing, which is, I don't know what

00:58:00 --> 00:58:02

what would we what would we call that or abortion that is not

00:58:02 --> 00:58:03

murder, right?

00:58:04 --> 00:58:10

Which, before 120 days, could be sinful? Could be major sin minor

00:58:10 --> 00:58:14

sins, debatable, but it's not murder. After 120 Is this murder?

00:58:14 --> 00:58:19

Right? You know, beyond even beyond, like the let's that the

00:58:19 --> 00:58:23

abortion example, I would say it's still even very difficult to

00:58:23 --> 00:58:27

separate modern so called like, humanist or secular values or ways

00:58:27 --> 00:58:34

of living from some type of revealed origin, right? So so it's

00:58:34 --> 00:58:37

very hard to tease that out, you can, you can make a claim that

00:58:37 --> 00:58:40

like, Hey, I'm good. I don't need revelation. I can live my life in

00:58:40 --> 00:58:45

this way. But indirectly, you've already adopted a lot of things.

00:58:45 --> 00:58:48

And a lot of viewpoints that are basically directly due to

00:58:48 --> 00:58:51

Revelations like why don't why don't people kill other people?

00:58:51 --> 00:58:55

Why all these things that I guess we consider a moral decisions,

00:58:55 --> 00:58:58

they have their roots in some sort of Revelation. Otherwise, I could

00:58:58 --> 00:58:59

just do what I want.

00:59:00 --> 00:59:02

If you know that, if you if you thought about it, if you think

00:59:02 --> 00:59:05

about it, and materialist ideas are, in a sense, inherently

00:59:05 --> 00:59:09

incoherent in the sense that if you devote yourself to thinking

00:59:10 --> 00:59:12

to think about atheism, for example, and you come to the

00:59:12 --> 00:59:16

conclusion of atheism, it only leads you to the fact that atheism

00:59:16 --> 00:59:20

is not important. If you come to the point that the conclusion that

00:59:20 --> 00:59:25

there is nothing except the material that then the this

00:59:25 --> 00:59:28

conclusion necessitates that even your past thinking was not

00:59:28 --> 00:59:32

important. Right? It meant nothing. So nothing means. You

00:59:32 --> 00:59:35

deny you deny consciousness, right? So if you're a materialist,

00:59:35 --> 00:59:39

so this is Daniel Dennett, used to drive it. Right. Right. Right. So

00:59:39 --> 00:59:42

Daniel Dennett is like consciousness is an illusion, but

00:59:42 --> 00:59:45

somebody responded like, but an illusion is a conscious

00:59:45 --> 00:59:45

experience.

00:59:49 --> 00:59:53

Philosophy in what you're mentioning, right, like where if

00:59:53 --> 00:59:56

people come with that angle of like, hey, like, it doesn't really

00:59:56 --> 00:59:59

matter. A lot of times it's a case of not taking what they

01:00:00 --> 01:00:03

actually believe to his logical extreme. Well, there's just some

01:00:03 --> 01:00:06

of those things that you end up getting that like Nazgul mentioned

01:00:06 --> 01:00:09

is that like, you start denying these very basic things, but it's

01:00:09 --> 01:00:12

not everybody takes it to that logical conclusion. They don't

01:00:12 --> 01:00:15

take their, their ideology or how they live their life or whatever

01:00:15 --> 01:00:18

philosophy they have to its natural end. And so they stopped

01:00:18 --> 01:00:22

short of that. Yeah, so the person that Morena is bringing up is a

01:00:22 --> 01:00:26

person that's not going into that he's not going into that level of

01:00:26 --> 01:00:29

detail. He's not thinking about a lot of religious people are like

01:00:29 --> 01:00:31

that. They're not really considering the sources of the

01:00:31 --> 01:00:33

religion and the reality of they're just following what

01:00:33 --> 01:00:36

they're following. The person that Mohini is given his example is

01:00:36 --> 01:00:39

somebody who's like a materialist. And he's just following what he's

01:00:39 --> 01:00:41

following. And he's like, look, I have material success. I have I

01:00:41 --> 01:00:45

live in the West, I have all these advantages, things are good. This

01:00:45 --> 01:00:48

is why Cofer is rampant in Europe, because Europe was successful for

01:00:48 --> 01:00:52

a long time. It's automatic. And now to now to play another

01:00:52 --> 01:00:54

contrarian point of view, which is, you know,

01:00:55 --> 01:00:58

you got, you know, we made the argument that, you know, that

01:00:58 --> 01:01:01

revealed knowledge is is beneficial, and it provides

01:01:01 --> 01:01:04

guidance and all of these other things. Okay, great, you know, two

01:01:04 --> 01:01:06

questions to two parts of this question. The first is, you know,

01:01:07 --> 01:01:10

why couldn't reveal knowledge go to anybody? Right? Why does it

01:01:10 --> 01:01:15

have to go to you know, X profit or y profit, or whoever it may be?

01:01:16 --> 01:01:18

Why does it have to come from a certain source? And the second

01:01:18 --> 01:01:22

question is, you know, well, a lot of different religions claim these

01:01:22 --> 01:01:27

mystical experiences. Right? What is this? Like? That's a that's a

01:01:27 --> 01:01:31

very broad question, right? Well, I mean, we can get into, like, for

01:01:31 --> 01:01:34

example, a lot of a lot of religions claim like mystical

01:01:34 --> 01:01:36

experiences, you know, why trust one over the other? Some of them

01:01:36 --> 01:01:40

might be, there's a great article on it. Well, just just because you

01:01:40 --> 01:01:42

have a mystical experience doesn't mean you interpret it correctly.

01:01:42 --> 01:01:45

Correct. Right. Like you have the right theology. Yeah. Like, for

01:01:45 --> 01:01:48

example, you could get punched, and you could think, Oh, I didn't

01:01:48 --> 01:01:51

really get punched. So somebody could just keep sponsoring you.

01:01:51 --> 01:01:55

And they were like, What? Are you talking about? People like John of

01:01:55 --> 01:01:56

the Cross, right.

01:01:57 --> 01:02:00

Mr. Carr, people who, like Christian mystics, who have

01:02:00 --> 01:02:03

mystical experiences, and they've interpreted them completely,

01:02:03 --> 01:02:07

exactly, right. Yeah. mystical experiences. Also, by the way, how

01:02:07 --> 01:02:10

do we come to learn about them? For them? It's an experience for

01:02:10 --> 01:02:13

us it's transmitted knowledge, transmitted knowledge from who,

01:02:13 --> 01:02:15

from the One Who Experienced It? Well, that's subjective then.

01:02:16 --> 01:02:21

Right? So it's like, no different than saying, Hey, I saw X, Y, and

01:02:21 --> 01:02:24

Z. Well, why should I believe you? Who are you? Right? So in a sense

01:02:24 --> 01:02:28

for us, it's not another transmission, and a transmission

01:02:28 --> 01:02:31

from what from the only person who experienced it is subject right.

01:02:31 --> 01:02:35

So the other question answered your question, which was, well,

01:02:35 --> 01:02:38

why did it have to come to that particular profit? Or that

01:02:38 --> 01:02:42

particular person? Is that Well, okay, if hypothetically, you

01:02:42 --> 01:02:46

concede that there is a Creator, who is going to give a message? Is

01:02:46 --> 01:02:49

he going to give the message to different people, then who are we

01:02:50 --> 01:02:53

going to listen to? Right? All right, you need to only give it to

01:02:53 --> 01:02:56

one. That's why every country has one ambassador, because

01:02:56 --> 01:03:00

communication must happen like that. Right? Communication and

01:03:00 --> 01:03:05

systems organization. Order. Right? Requires oneness, right?

01:03:05 --> 01:03:10

Okay. And this is known. So that's the one. So if he's going to be if

01:03:10 --> 01:03:13

it's going to be one, then whomever it was given to the same

01:03:13 --> 01:03:16

question would pop up? Yeah. Right. The same question will crop

01:03:16 --> 01:03:21

up? So also, I mean, to answer maybe, maybe this answers your

01:03:21 --> 01:03:25

question, why maybe it doesn't, but it's not my question list. No,

01:03:25 --> 01:03:26

no, yeah.

01:03:29 --> 01:03:29

That's true.

01:03:31 --> 01:03:35

Let's say the hypothetical question, right, that, that

01:03:35 --> 01:03:36

somebody might pose, that's not mine.

01:03:39 --> 01:03:44

I feel like another component of that is, is we don't necessarily

01:03:44 --> 01:03:50

base our belief on, like, magical and mystical happenings, right.

01:03:50 --> 01:03:54

Like, that's not like the foundation of belief. And so, you

01:03:54 --> 01:03:58

know, other other streams of, of thought and other religions could

01:03:58 --> 01:04:00

could have could have these experiences. And they can claim

01:04:00 --> 01:04:03

that like, hey, this stuff happened. But but that doesn't

01:04:03 --> 01:04:07

have any bearing on our central belief, right. And I feel like it

01:04:07 --> 01:04:10

with respect to those three questions that I that I posed

01:04:10 --> 01:04:14

earlier of, like, how did I get here? Now that I'm here, what do I

01:04:14 --> 01:04:18

do? Like why am I here? The How did I get here, you can arrive at

01:04:18 --> 01:04:22

that, in some sense, rationally right, that there is a God and

01:04:22 --> 01:04:25

that He created all these things. But the other two things you can

01:04:25 --> 01:04:29

only really get from guidance. So So yeah, so the idea of the

01:04:29 --> 01:04:33

exists, right? God is rational is rationally you can arrive at that

01:04:33 --> 01:04:35

and arrive at that but you can't you don't know what he wants you

01:04:35 --> 01:04:40

to do, without without guidance without some Revelation where

01:04:40 --> 01:04:44

you're going. Right? And by the way, in terms of spirit, mystical

01:04:44 --> 01:04:48

experiences, we'd actually don't deny that a lot to either can

01:04:48 --> 01:04:53

answer the prayers of kafirs, right? The the the Allah to Allah

01:04:53 --> 01:04:56

He gives the sun to everyone. He gives water to everyone. Everyone

01:04:56 --> 01:04:59

can smile, everyone laughs everyone has kids. Everyone enjoys

01:04:59 --> 01:04:59

company right?

01:05:00 --> 01:05:03

Like why? Because Allah is merciful. He is kind and also we

01:05:03 --> 01:05:06

need to live in this world, right? Everyone needs to survive. How can

01:05:06 --> 01:05:08

you survive be so miserable, the human race wouldn't have

01:05:08 --> 01:05:09

continued, or this human speech,

01:05:10 --> 01:05:12

even though Hanifa makes it very clear,

01:05:13 --> 01:05:19

it says in the Quran, I made you borrow ADA. Right? He answers, the

01:05:19 --> 01:05:21

desperate when he calls on him, he didn't say, and we'll touch on

01:05:21 --> 01:05:25

movement, the desperate believer. So the idea of answered prayers,

01:05:25 --> 01:05:28

which definitely exists in Christianity, it does not mean you

01:05:28 --> 01:05:30

don't make the leap that my prayer was answered, therefore,

01:05:30 --> 01:05:33

everything about me is correct, including my theology. No, we

01:05:33 --> 01:05:37

don't believe in that we say, go to God answered you, because he's

01:05:37 --> 01:05:40

kind doesn't necessarily mean you're correct and what you

01:05:40 --> 01:05:42

understand about it. So

01:05:43 --> 01:05:45

just quickly, I just wanted to read a couple of sentences to that

01:05:45 --> 01:05:46

end.

01:05:47 --> 01:05:48

This is from something Shamima

01:05:50 --> 01:05:53

slam mysticism and other religions and despite the abrogation of

01:05:53 --> 01:05:56

their religions, we do not doubt the possibility of mystics of

01:05:56 --> 01:05:59

other faiths reaching a higher spiritual plane. For when the

01:05:59 --> 01:06:01

lower soul was negated and sublimated by spiritual

01:06:01 --> 01:06:04

disciplines, the powers of the higher soul sent seldom failed to

01:06:04 --> 01:06:07

appear. And it is not impossible then in such a condition, it might

01:06:07 --> 01:06:11

be hold ultimate reality, which is, after all, as real and

01:06:11 --> 01:06:14

objective as Detroit or anything else in the physical world. But

01:06:14 --> 01:06:17

what a difference between the few 100, Jewish Christian or even

01:06:17 --> 01:06:20

American Indian mystics of the Western tradition, who left any

01:06:20 --> 01:06:24

record of their experiences, he names a few. And the literally

01:06:24 --> 01:06:27

1000s of Sufi masters of Islamic tradition, who found that the

01:06:27 --> 01:06:30

great mystical orders, had immense influence for centuries at all

01:06:30 --> 01:06:33

levels of society, produced an unparalleled and monumental body

01:06:33 --> 01:06:36

of mystic literature and poetry and prose, and left countless

01:06:36 --> 01:06:39

edits in the beatitude of the Divine Presence, a living

01:06:39 --> 01:06:42

tradition that continues to this day, what other religion has ever

01:06:42 --> 01:06:46

seen a methodology like Rumi, there's a tremendous difference

01:06:46 --> 01:06:48

between a few outstanding spiritual personalities that

01:06:48 --> 01:06:52

appeared at times in places in the West, like occasional watering

01:06:52 --> 01:06:55

places scattered across our hinterland, in the throngs of

01:06:55 --> 01:07:00

mistakes that the Islamic milieu, on a sea of divine, the throngs of

01:07:00 --> 01:07:03

mystics of the Islamic milieu on a sea of the Divine whose tides

01:07:03 --> 01:07:08

flooded regularly. So, so even on that aspect, we got the numbers,

01:07:08 --> 01:07:12

maybe, yeah, if we're going to admit that every time you put your

01:07:12 --> 01:07:16

ego down, and you put your carnal element down, then the higher

01:07:16 --> 01:07:19

realities of the apparent if they become apparent, let's say we

01:07:19 --> 01:07:23

admit that, all right, well, let's see who has done it better than

01:07:23 --> 01:07:26

right. So and that's basically so. So that's not even a problem,

01:07:26 --> 01:07:30

mystical experiences. It's only people who, who don't understand

01:07:30 --> 01:07:33

that who fall into, well, therefore, they make the leap.

01:07:33 --> 01:07:36

Therefore, all religions must be equal. And it's perennialism.

01:07:36 --> 01:07:39

That's the That's the origin of perennialism. Is that it is look

01:07:39 --> 01:07:42

at those guys. Yes. They were a bunch of young guys, all of the

01:07:42 --> 01:07:45

leaders were a bunch of young guys. They followed the quack

01:07:45 --> 01:07:49

Frithjof Swan, who was like a mystic, but he was just like, he's

01:07:49 --> 01:07:53

in his own way right now. And he had his own experiences and

01:07:53 --> 01:07:56

whatever. And they imagine then that everything that this man says

01:07:56 --> 01:07:59

is true. Right? It's like, you know what it's like saying, Arnold

01:07:59 --> 01:08:02

Schwarzenegger was a great bodybuilder, therefore, everything

01:08:02 --> 01:08:05

about biology that he says is true anatomy that he says, nutrition,

01:08:05 --> 01:08:09

whatever. trician? Yeah, that's not the case. Right? Exactly. I

01:08:09 --> 01:08:14

just want to jump in with this idea about mysticism. See the fact

01:08:14 --> 01:08:18

that so many people have experienced something beyond the

01:08:18 --> 01:08:21

world, or have seen the world as a whole, whatever, like this

01:08:21 --> 01:08:24

mystical experience, it actually proves that,

01:08:25 --> 01:08:28

that empirical knowledge is not the only thing. Right? For sure,

01:08:28 --> 01:08:30

it actually proves that there's something called revealed

01:08:30 --> 01:08:33

knowledge, right? Like, there's an unseen, there's an unseen, right?

01:08:33 --> 01:08:36

And then the kaffir in this example, is a different Kaffir

01:08:36 --> 01:08:37

than the capital.

01:08:39 --> 01:08:40

Give the example.

01:08:42 --> 01:08:46

So like, what so for example, can't one of the reasons that he

01:08:46 --> 01:08:49

says religion has a problem, right, is because

01:08:51 --> 01:08:54

all these people have the same mystical experience and their

01:08:54 --> 01:08:57

arguments, you know, are mutually you know, both, both of them, like

01:08:57 --> 01:09:00

they're two arguments that are exactly the same strength. This

01:09:00 --> 01:09:04

guy said he saw Vishnu, this other guy said he saw here's some Yeah,

01:09:04 --> 01:09:08

but here's sorry, you want to I'm just gonna say we have to remember

01:09:08 --> 01:09:12

that Kant's what constitutes a religion is somewhat Christianity.

01:09:12 --> 01:09:16

Yeah. Which is a religion has no chain of transmission. Right.

01:09:16 --> 01:09:20

Right. Right. And a lot of other issues that Islam didn't. And but

01:09:20 --> 01:09:22

a little bit about Islam, but from a completely Orientalist

01:09:22 --> 01:09:26

background. Yeah. But the thing is that the main thing is that their

01:09:26 --> 01:09:30

argument is because so many people have had mystical experiences, and

01:09:30 --> 01:09:32

they come to different conclusions. Let's reject all of

01:09:32 --> 01:09:35

religion. Now. Now, this doesn't make any logical sense. Right?

01:09:35 --> 01:09:40

Because, right, right, exactly. Right. Exactly. So for example,

01:09:40 --> 01:09:42

philosophy, right? No, two philosophers agree with each

01:09:42 --> 01:09:45

other. So let's reject philosophies. Right. And actually,

01:09:45 --> 01:09:50

exactly that makes sense. So this, so it must mean it doesn't mean

01:09:50 --> 01:09:53

that let's reject religion, it means that somebody's had the

01:09:53 --> 01:09:56

right experience and they have interpreted correctly. Right. And

01:09:56 --> 01:09:58

and the thing though, one of the things that I find amazing about

01:09:58 --> 01:09:59

Islam is that it's

01:10:00 --> 01:10:05

It doesn't claim to be new, right? It. I forget, one of Shay comes as

01:10:05 --> 01:10:08

she looked like they had a lecture, he said something along

01:10:08 --> 01:10:11

the lines of like, all the prophets agree with each other on

01:10:11 --> 01:10:14

the thing that's important. But all the philosophers disagree.

01:10:14 --> 01:10:18

Yes, you're right. So the problems are on the same line. Exactly,

01:10:18 --> 01:10:23

exactly. So like it's mystical experiences being confirmed. All

01:10:23 --> 01:10:26

throughout history, the same exact thing. Right? And, yeah, it's to

01:10:26 --> 01:10:29

get to the heart of the first part that you're asked about why

01:10:29 --> 01:10:32

revelation to these and others. First, you have to know about the

01:10:32 --> 01:10:34

rules of what makes a profit, right? And why why are those rules

01:10:34 --> 01:10:37

important? Why are the requirements there? Because, yeah,

01:10:37 --> 01:10:40

why would Allah send revelation to somebody like me? It'd be a waste

01:10:40 --> 01:10:41

of Revelation.

01:10:42 --> 01:10:46

Like, I'm not I don't have the characteristics. I'm not I'm not

01:10:46 --> 01:10:50

convincing people. Right? Like it's not it just would not be

01:10:50 --> 01:10:52

worth it. Right? It would be a total waste. So you have to give

01:10:52 --> 01:10:56

it to somebody who's worthy of it right to call Shanahan something

01:10:56 --> 01:10:59

like that. He said, When the king sends an ambassador isn't send the

01:10:59 --> 01:11:04

monkey, the very best person that you had, right? And so the best of

01:11:04 --> 01:11:07

creation is the the last of the messengers because it's a message

01:11:07 --> 01:11:09

for all of mankind. And the messengers preceded him, we're

01:11:09 --> 01:11:13

better than any other human beings besides himself. And the

01:11:13 --> 01:11:16

oftentimes people ask the question of, well, why isn't he keeps on

01:11:16 --> 01:11:19

making profits? Right? And it's done? Well, we, we say to them,

01:11:19 --> 01:11:23

well, wouldn't he have to eventually, everything has an end,

01:11:23 --> 01:11:27

right? So if you're in your suggestion, even in your

01:11:27 --> 01:11:30

suggestion, whatever you suggest, there would be an end, there will

01:11:30 --> 01:11:33

be a time with I guess every generation has to have their own

01:11:33 --> 01:11:35

one to eight guys. Remember?

01:11:36 --> 01:11:41

It's silliness. So I'm sorry. And then the other part of that

01:11:41 --> 01:11:42

actually forget

01:11:46 --> 01:11:46

the other

01:11:49 --> 01:11:53

Islam Islam as a convert, I can tell you this because this is part

01:11:53 --> 01:11:56

of what motivated me to be a Muslim and to remain in this deen

01:11:56 --> 01:11:59

is that Islam is the only religion that explains why there's multiple

01:11:59 --> 01:12:02

religions. Exactly. It acknowledges the multiplicity of

01:12:02 --> 01:12:05

religions, and gives you a rational reason why there would be

01:12:05 --> 01:12:08

and why there would be differences between them and explain to you

01:12:08 --> 01:12:11

how to understand they're missing. Yes, exactly. And it's the only

01:12:11 --> 01:12:17

religion that also gives the past to the people who were unable to

01:12:17 --> 01:12:20

get the this revelation. Right. The rest of them they're all

01:12:20 --> 01:12:23

exclusive. Yeah, right. You ask a Christian what happens to people

01:12:23 --> 01:12:26

that live in Amazon? They never heard of Jesus to bad hellfire?

01:12:26 --> 01:12:26

Yeah, yeah.

01:12:28 --> 01:12:30

So they just make something up. Let me do something else. There is

01:12:30 --> 01:12:34

no theology like Islam's that gives credence and power to

01:12:34 --> 01:12:38

willpower more than more than it's not. Let's take a look at Judaism

01:12:38 --> 01:12:41

you're either born into or you're not an accident of birth Hinduism

01:12:41 --> 01:12:44

as well. Let's look at Christianity. Christianity, you're

01:12:44 --> 01:12:48

damned by original sin. Hey, I didn't do it. Right. Someone else

01:12:48 --> 01:12:51

did it. And then you're saved because of someone else too. So

01:12:51 --> 01:12:54

wait a second, I just got dammed and I got saved. I'm like a

01:12:54 --> 01:12:59

spectator here. Right. So Adam took the original sin of causality

01:12:59 --> 01:13:02

for their statement, right? And then Jesus got on the cross. And

01:13:02 --> 01:13:05

I'm watching and I'm like, okay, like I didn't do anything. Right.

01:13:05 --> 01:13:09

Well, you did you were lucky enough to be born to get baptized

01:13:09 --> 01:13:10

then. And then now that you're saved, why do you have to do

01:13:10 --> 01:13:14

anything? Exactly what why didn't do anything? So I got damned, I

01:13:14 --> 01:13:16

didn't do anything. I got damn right. I didn't do anything. I got

01:13:16 --> 01:13:18

saved, and I'm still not gonna do anything. Right. Because all I

01:13:18 --> 01:13:21

have to do is believe right? So now let's go to Islam, the

01:13:21 --> 01:13:24

prophets I said themselves, you know that in Islam, if an ancient

01:13:24 --> 01:13:24

there is purgatory.

01:13:26 --> 01:13:32

If an angel came down and said, all of you guys here is Allah has

01:13:32 --> 01:13:38

permitted me to show you your book of deeds good. And all of you are

01:13:38 --> 01:13:42

damned to *. If an angel came down with that, you know what the

01:13:42 --> 01:13:46

prophets I said and said, he said, lie don't do cover in the dark. He

01:13:46 --> 01:13:50

said nothing will repel. What the Destiny that's written for you

01:13:50 --> 01:13:55

except to ah, so even if an angel came down, and Damned you and

01:13:55 --> 01:13:58

showed told you, you are damned, I saw it in the book of deeds in the

01:13:58 --> 01:14:02

Book of Destiny, right? The prophet is telling you even that

01:14:02 --> 01:14:06

your dog can change it. Because Kava is any bad news, right? And,

01:14:06 --> 01:14:09

and portents of the future right the things that are going to

01:14:09 --> 01:14:13

happen in the future. He's the prophesy Sam said your prayer can

01:14:13 --> 01:14:16

push it back. And the Prophet has another Hadith that said laser to

01:14:16 --> 01:14:20

dwell on movement, while Calgary he atherogenic is summer nao

01:14:20 --> 01:14:24

knocklyon Is that means other bad things that are going to happen or

01:14:24 --> 01:14:28

will come down? Right They come down from the skies and as when

01:14:28 --> 01:14:31

you when you meet that God that on the timeline happens right

01:14:32 --> 01:14:35

province I sent him said you throw up do you put up dua, right, it

01:14:35 --> 01:14:40

will wrestle with that other until the Day of Judgment, meaning

01:14:40 --> 01:14:43

you'll pass it you'll pass under it, your DUA will act as an

01:14:43 --> 01:14:46

umbrella for you from this color. That's the power of dua. So here

01:14:46 --> 01:14:51

you have two religions previously and you said Hinduism to okay,

01:14:51 --> 01:14:55

that there's no free will at this point in terms of saving myself.

01:14:55 --> 01:14:58

You're either born into it or not to Judaism, and in Christianity I

01:14:58 --> 01:14:59

was damned and and saved

01:15:00 --> 01:15:03

Okay by something that I didn't do. And here we have in Islam,

01:15:03 --> 01:15:06

even if an angel told you, you're damned, you can save yourself by

01:15:06 --> 01:15:11

your own dua. Right? So I mean, the the power of free will, is so

01:15:11 --> 01:15:12

critical.

01:15:13 --> 01:15:16

There you go. And so my last point, I think we can end on this

01:15:16 --> 01:15:20

because I think we're hitting time. In the beginning of the

01:15:20 --> 01:15:24

podcast you mentioned, you know that there is a realm of theology,

01:15:24 --> 01:15:29

and there's the realm of the jurist, right. And Islam balances

01:15:29 --> 01:15:32

both of these, you know, very well, which is that, you know, you

01:15:32 --> 01:15:36

have things like, for example, the ball hitting a window, and you

01:15:36 --> 01:15:39

know, you have this assumed causation, however, in the mind of

01:15:39 --> 01:15:45

the jurist, right, you have actual real rulings that apply. Right,

01:15:45 --> 01:15:48

it's actionable rulings. So when it comes to the dean, or, you

01:15:48 --> 01:15:51

know, if someone was looking at revealed knowledge versus

01:15:51 --> 01:15:54

empirical knowledge, how do we reconcile both of these, you know,

01:15:54 --> 01:15:56

when it comes to the realm of the jurist in the realm of the

01:15:56 --> 01:15:59

theologian, so the question again, when it comes to how do you

01:15:59 --> 01:16:02

reconcile, you know, what is more important? Is it the realm of, you

01:16:02 --> 01:16:06

know, the, the revealed knowledge, the theology, this is a sixth

01:16:06 --> 01:16:08

question, question someone might ask by hearing those two points?

01:16:08 --> 01:16:11

Or is, is the, the realm of the jurist more important? What

01:16:11 --> 01:16:15

happens in the real world? Does that my question makes sense?

01:16:15 --> 01:16:18

Yeah, no, I would say that, I mean, they're, they have to be in

01:16:18 --> 01:16:22

an angle, like you need you need, you need both of them. In order to

01:16:22 --> 01:16:26

function in the world. You need to put without the theologian you

01:16:26 --> 01:16:30

can't get to the fifth doesn't matter. Right. Right. Right. So

01:16:30 --> 01:16:35

but, and actually, I'll side on this, I'll go with the Senate, you

01:16:35 --> 01:16:39

have to know your Arcada. And your leader, you can't just take by by

01:16:40 --> 01:16:42

you can't just do totally, you have to actually learn it and know

01:16:42 --> 01:16:46

it, right. So theology is actually more fundamental and basic,

01:16:46 --> 01:16:50

because as long as you know what you're supposed to believe, even

01:16:50 --> 01:16:53

if you don't do any of it, you're better off than someone who's

01:16:53 --> 01:16:56

doing it, and has the wrong belief. Like, like, like Qadiani

01:16:56 --> 01:16:59

or somebody. Yeah. So yeah, I would the way I would answer this

01:16:59 --> 01:17:03

in two ways. Number one, theologies overfit. pleader is

01:17:03 --> 01:17:06

more important than fit. That's the first thing because beliefs

01:17:06 --> 01:17:08

are more important than actions. Because beliefs is something you

01:17:08 --> 01:17:12

die with actions and with your death. Beliefs is something you

01:17:12 --> 01:17:15

have all the time actions you only do when you do them. That's the

01:17:15 --> 01:17:20

first thing. The second thing is that our theology rests upon

01:17:20 --> 01:17:24

reason and observation. If you look at something like the Kalam

01:17:24 --> 01:17:28

Cosmological Argument, what anything that has

01:17:29 --> 01:17:33

that that begin that begins to exist must have a cause, the

01:17:33 --> 01:17:35

universe began to exist, therefore, the universe has a

01:17:35 --> 01:17:39

cause, that therefore that and that cause must be causeless

01:17:40 --> 01:17:42

outside of time, space, materiality cause and effect.

01:17:42 --> 01:17:48

Right. So all of that, that whole idea is based upon reason, right?

01:17:48 --> 01:17:52

Basic rules of logic and observation, basic what I see in

01:17:52 --> 01:17:56

the world, it leads me to believe that that God is also the Prophet

01:17:56 --> 01:18:00

belief in the prophesy sentence is based in reason, right? It is

01:18:00 --> 01:18:03

based in reason it's not just based on feeling family, mystical

01:18:03 --> 01:18:06

experiences, not based on those things based in what we just said,

01:18:06 --> 01:18:09

the proofs of his prophecies. And we can draw a lot of those from

01:18:09 --> 01:18:13

the Quran, too. Right. But we just just though the, what I said

01:18:13 --> 01:18:16

earlier about prophecy. What is that? That's a logical argument,

01:18:17 --> 01:18:21

right? Because it says to me, how else do you explain this? Is he is

01:18:21 --> 01:18:25

he is making stuff up. There's no other way to explain it, except

01:18:25 --> 01:18:30

that he's actually truthful. Right. So, we say and in fact, the

01:18:30 --> 01:18:34

Razzies whole thesis and his whole argument against and his debate

01:18:34 --> 01:18:38

with him in Jamia Okay. In fact, Rosie and me Tamia obviously came

01:18:38 --> 01:18:42

after him and debated him or in that time, but actually could you

01:18:42 --> 01:18:43

look up their death dates factor?

01:18:45 --> 01:18:49

The whole basis of fucking Rosie is that our religion is based upon

01:18:49 --> 01:18:53

logical and observable basis shouldn't shouldn't No, no,

01:18:53 --> 01:18:55

maintain us there.

01:18:56 --> 01:19:02

I think Fakhruddin fucka, Razi 1210, even 10 years later, I think

01:19:03 --> 01:19:07

I'm going to make him have more he's born 1263 was born 206. So

01:19:07 --> 01:19:12

he's way so unfair, Imitate me, refuted.

01:19:13 --> 01:19:17

He sought to refute fucker that Ozzy, allegedly, allegedly now by

01:19:17 --> 01:19:21

the way, you know what my my thesis is? He refuted them. But

01:19:21 --> 01:19:24

you know what, he was such a great writer. He was trained by the SRS.

01:19:24 --> 01:19:28

That's why he was so powerful. He was powerful. You cannot deny that

01:19:28 --> 01:19:34

Potamia is powerful. Even Taymiyah is is He's almost like Chef Akbar.

01:19:35 --> 01:19:39

In terms of being like, there's no nobody. He didn't follow anybody

01:19:39 --> 01:19:43

else's. And he didn't he didn't really leave any real followers.

01:19:43 --> 01:19:47

It's kind of weird. As I if I was reading through Sherman Jackson's

01:19:47 --> 01:19:50

book on his chapter on traditionalism, which he goes over

01:19:50 --> 01:19:54

even Taymiyah like some parts of his theology are kind of like even

01:19:54 --> 01:19:57

obvious. And people you know, people don't talk about that.

01:19:57 --> 01:19:59

Maybe it's a good PhD. I mean, this is what happened early

01:20:00 --> 01:20:04

Yeah, you're a next level genius. Yeah. Sophie, yeah. You start

01:20:04 --> 01:20:07

coming up with your own stuff. Yeah. Listen, if not a bit, this

01:20:07 --> 01:20:10

is where they're similar. Yeah. If it's me,

01:20:11 --> 01:20:15

he argues against the idea of allegory, right to the divine

01:20:15 --> 01:20:19

attributes, right? Guess who else does it? binotto? He says, yes.

01:20:19 --> 01:20:25

You're the allegory. Oh snap. He says yes. The divine hand. That's

01:20:25 --> 01:20:29

real. And your hand is the allegory. Right? So it's the

01:20:29 --> 01:20:33

mystical version. You know, who else argued against allegorical?

01:20:33 --> 01:20:37

Forget about the divine attributes that can be

01:20:39 --> 01:20:41

changed to like body parts or whatever. But even ideas like

01:20:41 --> 01:20:45

mercy, yeah, and this is an inventory Mian position, right?

01:20:46 --> 01:20:51

Maimonides? Oh, yeah. Well, what did he take it from? Because he

01:20:51 --> 01:20:53

took it from the Muslims. Yeah, he took a lot from them. He took it

01:20:53 --> 01:20:57

from the Muslims and and what ends up doing is this he they get to

01:20:57 --> 01:21:00

the point where they go, No, either God doesn't have mercy.

01:21:00 --> 01:21:04

Because human beings are merciful, or what we think is mercy in human

01:21:04 --> 01:21:08

beings something else because they can't share that attribute. It

01:21:08 --> 01:21:12

becomes a kosher with Allah, my mind and my mind. It is the

01:21:12 --> 01:21:16

Rambam. They call him the rabbi Moses Rambam, Rabbi, Moses, Ben,

01:21:16 --> 01:21:20

my monitors, right. They call him the Rambam. So he is, is that

01:21:20 --> 01:21:27

like, yeah. So the Rambam was from endo Sia, he actually bring them

01:21:27 --> 01:21:28

he became one of the doctors.

01:21:29 --> 01:21:33

Right. That's why there's hospitals named after him. New

01:21:33 --> 01:21:36

York. Yeah, because he was a doctor. And I probably met in the

01:21:38 --> 01:21:42

EDL. I had two Jewish students. And one day, they came early, and

01:21:42 --> 01:21:44

I was only one there in class. So it's just struck up a

01:21:44 --> 01:21:48

conversation. And I said, What do you guys, what about my monitors?

01:21:48 --> 01:21:50

Right? You guys study my man. And he's because they were orthodox.

01:21:51 --> 01:21:54

And Orthodox Jews are very strict. So there's no no, he's not

01:21:54 --> 01:21:56

accepted. He was a heretic, right?

01:21:58 --> 01:22:01

You said, Well, his theology he borrowed from the Muslims. I said,

01:22:01 --> 01:22:05

like what though? They said, the idea of obligations in doctrine,

01:22:06 --> 01:22:10

the concept that there is obligatory beliefs, he included in

01:22:10 --> 01:22:13

it to believe in the afterlife. Right, right. And they actually

01:22:13 --> 01:22:18

said that, no, and then the one of the other students said, Well,

01:22:18 --> 01:22:21

there's a verse in the Torah that maybe you could stretch it, that

01:22:21 --> 01:22:24

there's an afterlife, but the idea that the afterlife is an

01:22:24 --> 01:22:28

obligatory belief, right? They consider that a heresy that they

01:22:28 --> 01:22:30

don't take from him anymore. That's interesting, right? And so

01:22:30 --> 01:22:34

as liberal Jews who like call him the ramp, that name the Orthodox

01:22:34 --> 01:22:37

actually don't observe him. Yeah. So that's, but the whole point is

01:22:38 --> 01:22:39

that

01:22:40 --> 01:22:42

you have something to say, right? Yeah, I was just going to add to

01:22:42 --> 01:22:44

what I was just gonna say the whole point.

01:22:49 --> 01:22:49

No, please.

01:22:51 --> 01:22:52

No.

01:22:53 --> 01:22:53

No.

01:22:57 --> 01:23:03

It is. I mean, to be fair, point is that the our belief is not a

01:23:03 --> 01:23:07

blind belief. No, there's a blind step. Let's take a leap. Let's

01:23:07 --> 01:23:10

just believe in the Prop. No, there's a rational basis, the more

01:23:10 --> 01:23:14

you study, the more you come to this rash, the idea that Allah and

01:23:14 --> 01:23:17

His Messenger, this is not some kind of a blind leap of faith,

01:23:18 --> 01:23:21

you're not. Actually, the more I've studied, the more actually,

01:23:23 --> 01:23:26

when you truly define a belief as something that you believe to be

01:23:26 --> 01:23:30

true, without any rational revealed or empirical evidence,

01:23:31 --> 01:23:34

you actually come to hate beliefs. Right now, you hate beliefs,

01:23:34 --> 01:23:38

because beliefs to have no basis, they're superstitious. So to bring

01:23:38 --> 01:23:40

it all back, that's what Hume said, the empirical knowledge is

01:23:40 --> 01:23:43

just a belief formed on on the basis of why I think this is

01:23:43 --> 01:23:47

what's gonna happen. I mean, the only thing I was going to add, was

01:23:48 --> 01:23:50

coming back to what Maureen said about, I guess, the balance

01:23:50 --> 01:23:54

between like theology and jurisprudence, from a like, let's

01:23:54 --> 01:23:59

take the example of prayer, the way I look at is, you know, from a

01:23:59 --> 01:24:05

theological perspective, you can learn why you need to pray, but

01:24:05 --> 01:24:05

it's only from the

01:24:07 --> 01:24:10

juristic perspective that you need to know the conditions and

01:24:10 --> 01:24:14

integrals required for performing the prayer transmitted, right. So

01:24:14 --> 01:24:17

so that's kind of I feel like, you have to have those two things in

01:24:17 --> 01:24:21

balance. Otherwise, you know, belief and action then are just

01:24:21 --> 01:24:24

you can't even correlate the two things. Yeah. And to answer a part

01:24:24 --> 01:24:25

of my question myself is

01:24:27 --> 01:24:31

I mean, even in the study of Aki, though, right, Aki, the other name

01:24:31 --> 01:24:36

is fickle Akbar, right. It's, it's actually a sub subset of the study

01:24:36 --> 01:24:40

of FIP. Right, it's the greater fic so you learn it before you

01:24:40 --> 01:24:42

even get into the subject of fic.

01:24:43 --> 01:24:46

And so I think we're hitting like a good amount of time to

01:24:47 --> 01:24:50

wrap up here. We're gonna wrap up let me just close with one thing

01:24:50 --> 01:24:56

since it's a meow. Okay, Mo law came up in the conversation. Now

01:24:56 --> 01:25:00

you guys I don't know if you guys are all off but I just want

01:25:00 --> 01:25:01

wanna address this

01:25:02 --> 01:25:06

sort of silliness in my opinion that went on that on my page? Oh,

01:25:06 --> 01:25:10

I was quoted I didn't know I've been offline for a long time

01:25:10 --> 01:25:15

writing, of course, of course work. Actual work from from hedge

01:25:15 --> 01:25:20

on from hedge time. Until just like last week, I was pretty much

01:25:20 --> 01:25:23

offline the whole time. Now someone came upon the idea friend

01:25:23 --> 01:25:26

came said, listen, while you're offline, I know someone who could

01:25:26 --> 01:25:30

help you out, right? Who could help do posts for you? Right? So

01:25:30 --> 01:25:32

it's like announcements and stuff. Yeah, like announcements or take

01:25:32 --> 01:25:37

old posts, repost the link, take a clip from an older post. Yeah,

01:25:37 --> 01:25:39

right. Put it up there. Now, at some point, though,

01:25:40 --> 01:25:46

this individual then put up a post, which said Shaco, Islam even

01:25:46 --> 01:25:49

sent me out. I'm a law set, and it was something like totally normal.

01:25:50 --> 01:25:53

And they must have seen it somewhere. And they just assumed

01:25:53 --> 01:25:56

that I'd be fine with it and they put up there, right. So

01:25:57 --> 01:26:02

a lot of a lot of others got so you know, sort of bent out of

01:26:02 --> 01:26:07

shape. Right? That I just merely quoted, even Samia, right? And

01:26:07 --> 01:26:09

though and then now some people said they had a prom with the

01:26:09 --> 01:26:14

quote. Second people had a problem with the term shiftless lamb the

01:26:14 --> 01:26:19

other ones that are himolla so I would say okay look if we're

01:26:19 --> 01:26:22

really want to be about technically fine Schiff is enough

01:26:22 --> 01:26:25

right because she was lamb might imply everything about what he

01:26:25 --> 01:26:28

said is correct. Which I don't believe. I do believe that. The

01:26:29 --> 01:26:33

there were differences that are fundamental and issues of updated

01:26:33 --> 01:26:36

right fine. Sheriff is fine. Shit. Let me shift for me. You can call

01:26:36 --> 01:26:37

men on the side of the

01:26:44 --> 01:26:48

ship is fine, shiftless. Lamb fine. Well, we can you can that

01:26:48 --> 01:26:51

say that? That has an implication font. But some people had a

01:26:51 --> 01:26:54

problem say that I himolla. Right. What did you What do you want them

01:26:54 --> 01:26:57

to say? Kherson. They want to put them outside of Islam. Right? So

01:26:57 --> 01:27:00

it's ridiculous. I'm not into extremes, right? This is an

01:27:00 --> 01:27:05

extreme. And he want to say that he is a calf. That is way off from

01:27:05 --> 01:27:08

where I'm going. I'm not even going near that as pay grade. And

01:27:08 --> 01:27:11

you know why? Yeah. And you know, who I make to plead if I had to

01:27:11 --> 01:27:13

make tough lead tech lead?

01:27:15 --> 01:27:17

on an issue that I don't know about, and I'm not going to

01:27:17 --> 01:27:22

research is mmscfd How's that? I mean, which scholar of Edison or

01:27:22 --> 01:27:28

gym out will negate and have any criticism of remember CLT? I

01:27:28 --> 01:27:32

remember CLT says shiftless Nam had the qualifications to be a

01:27:32 --> 01:27:36

much dead, he had the knowledge to be much dead, despite some errors

01:27:36 --> 01:27:39

that he made on the divine attributes and his whole thesis on

01:27:39 --> 01:27:41

reason and revelation. Right? That's

01:27:42 --> 01:27:45

right. That's the right way to do things. Right. Rather than going

01:27:45 --> 01:27:50

to some to an extreme. Also, you have to ask, what what do people

01:27:50 --> 01:27:55

alive today? Care? Yeah. What do you care about? What the fate of

01:27:55 --> 01:28:01

this scholar from, you know? 1000, almost 1000 years ago now? Yeah.

01:28:01 --> 01:28:06

What do you care? Yeah. And we have I have made it my positions

01:28:06 --> 01:28:10

on issues of doctrine. So clear on this podcast on my Facebook page

01:28:10 --> 01:28:14

on Twitter, right, I have on the divine attributes on the show. I

01:28:14 --> 01:28:17

don't know who they are. I've made that so crystal clear. Like we

01:28:17 --> 01:28:20

have a saying in America. Okay. Only Nixon could go to China,

01:28:20 --> 01:28:25

right? means that someone who has been so right wing, and so hawkish

01:28:25 --> 01:28:29

could meet with the enemy. Right. And I'm not even saying that

01:28:29 --> 01:28:32

they're the enemy. And the selfie brothers. They're not my today

01:28:32 --> 01:28:35

that are sort of like cooled it down. We've said this before my

01:28:35 --> 01:28:38

enemies, right. They might be someone else's enemies who are

01:28:38 --> 01:28:44

extreme in some extreme parts. Right. But are the American Imams

01:28:44 --> 01:28:47

who are sort of Salafi leaning? or what have you? Well, they're not

01:28:47 --> 01:28:51

our enemies. They're they're okay. They have that belief. And they

01:28:51 --> 01:28:54

don't even delve into it and go into it. So the situation in

01:28:54 --> 01:28:56

America is very different situation than perfect.

01:28:59 --> 01:29:00

Let's just say it outright.

01:29:01 --> 01:29:05

America is not Birmingham, let's whatever, whatever happened to

01:29:05 --> 01:29:06

assuming the best.

01:29:07 --> 01:29:10

Like, if there's an interpretation, that's better take

01:29:10 --> 01:29:15

that one. Stop. This, leave it alone. I'm off. I'm off on social

01:29:15 --> 01:29:19

media. I quit. I quit a few weeks ago after after some back and

01:29:19 --> 01:29:23

forth about like, it's a similar likes, and somebody was like, Oh,

01:29:23 --> 01:29:26

how do you say this about you only stand to gain like

01:29:27 --> 01:29:31

nobody went after me. We just had a discussion about it. It was a it

01:29:31 --> 01:29:34

was a thing. Somebody's hosting a conference and they gave like an

01:29:34 --> 01:29:37

honorific to somebody who doesn't deserve it. Oh, yeah. Legitimately

01:29:37 --> 01:29:40

doesn't deserve it. But just assume that they did it for a good

01:29:40 --> 01:29:43

reason. Or that or is it a mistake? I'm telling you, they're

01:29:43 --> 01:29:45

there, even if it's a mistake, let it go. So what do you got to make

01:29:45 --> 01:29:49

a big deal about it? There are there are PR online internet

01:29:49 --> 01:29:53

mistakes that happen all the time in a big organization like that?

01:29:53 --> 01:29:57

Big organizations also have mistakes, right? I'm a I'm a

01:29:58 --> 01:29:59

mainstream analyst on a Sunday.

01:30:00 --> 01:30:03

Muslim because of the people in that organization. Yeah,

01:30:03 --> 01:30:07

absolutely. So give me a break and give and give your elders. By the

01:30:07 --> 01:30:10

way, I was with Imam Zaid that whole weekend. Right where they

01:30:10 --> 01:30:15

got on him for that Elijah month they got on him for his other

01:30:15 --> 01:30:18

issue. I was with him the whole time. He explained these things,

01:30:18 --> 01:30:18

right. He said,

01:30:20 --> 01:30:23

I didn't even agree that most of the people who didn't even, like

01:30:23 --> 01:30:27

want to be on the talk, they rented the space. And they wanted

01:30:27 --> 01:30:31

to just talk about the historical effects. Nobody, they said you

01:30:31 --> 01:30:34

could advertise it, and they didn't know that they're gonna put

01:30:34 --> 01:30:36

the honorable and you don't by the way, the Honorable Elijah

01:30:36 --> 01:30:39

Muhammad, that's actually like, that was my argument. Yeah. It's

01:30:39 --> 01:30:43

It's like somebody is a priest, a priest, an Anglican. You call them

01:30:43 --> 01:30:46

the most reverend. Everybody says Alex doesn't mean that he's

01:30:46 --> 01:30:48

Alexander the Great. Exactly doesn't mean your mate. You're a

01:30:48 --> 01:30:50

Catholic. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's it and that.

01:30:52 --> 01:30:58

Everybody says Mahatma Gandhi, right? 100%. Wrong. 100% wrong. So

01:30:58 --> 01:31:00

what this means people are better than you anyway.

01:31:03 --> 01:31:06

I don't have to agree with everything that they do. But come

01:31:06 --> 01:31:09

on, most of the men in their 50s and 60s, that's the thing I've

01:31:09 --> 01:31:13

seen there comes a point. Have some some some modesty about your

01:31:13 --> 01:31:16

young age, and how do you express yourself? It's like, it's like

01:31:16 --> 01:31:19

Mahatma Gandhi. It's like Mahatma is. I mean, it's just like a form

01:31:19 --> 01:31:22

of reverence. It's like the great, you know that my kids go.

01:31:24 --> 01:31:26

Probably I don't have to have the Muslim kids a lot. But they get so

01:31:26 --> 01:31:29

confused by some names. Like, we talked about India. My daughter

01:31:29 --> 01:31:32

said, What about Mahatma Gandhi? Mahatma Gandhi

01:31:34 --> 01:31:37

totally confused with said Abraham Lincoln.

01:31:39 --> 01:31:41

His face looks like

01:31:45 --> 01:31:48

so my one of my last things that I put up before I quit Twitter was,

01:31:49 --> 01:31:52

you know, that Shams is a Kentucky Colonel, which is like a thing

01:31:52 --> 01:31:54

that the state of Kentucky does they they give you an honorary

01:31:54 --> 01:31:58

title as a colonel and as a state for for like public service and

01:31:58 --> 01:32:02

contributions. Yeah, like the colonel from KFC. That's the kind

01:32:02 --> 01:32:07

of Colonel Colonel. Yes. So the practice when you're when you get

01:32:07 --> 01:32:10

that honorific, it's just like, if you're the mayor, or a governor or

01:32:10 --> 01:32:13

something like that, you're referred to as the honorable.

01:32:14 --> 01:32:17

So in that whole mess, I was like, it would be appropriate and

01:32:17 --> 01:32:20

customary to refer to him as the honorable Sheikh Hamza uses

01:32:21 --> 01:32:26

the you know, they'd actually put out what do you call an article,

01:32:26 --> 01:32:29

like redressing all these points, like just recently? Like, yeah, I

01:32:29 --> 01:32:31

actually thought it was problematic when they when it

01:32:31 --> 01:32:34

initially happened, because there was a lot of people I'm dealing

01:32:34 --> 01:32:34

with.

01:32:35 --> 01:32:39

I mean, but then like he said, he actually said, like that he

01:32:39 --> 01:32:43

himself didn't agree with it. And also like this, using that term,

01:32:43 --> 01:32:46

didn't imply anything about him. Because everybody who knows who

01:32:46 --> 01:32:50

Elijah Muhammad is would not be confused that that's Islam. Right?

01:32:50 --> 01:32:50

This is

01:32:52 --> 01:32:56

exactly right. Number one, nobody. No, of course, we don't like we,

01:32:56 --> 01:32:59

of course, we don't honor him. We don't think highly of him. We he

01:32:59 --> 01:33:01

was he was more than a cafe. Right? He was somebody who claimed

01:33:01 --> 01:33:06

prophethood he was. Right. So we leave that alone. But we also know

01:33:06 --> 01:33:09

that that's just an official title. And I'm not flipping I'm

01:33:09 --> 01:33:13

not gonna flip out. flip out if somebody goes to speak at a masjid

01:33:13 --> 01:33:15

and we advertise and go the Most Reverend, so and so. And they'd be

01:33:15 --> 01:33:19

like, what? He worships a man. I mean, he's a mushrik. Like, why

01:33:19 --> 01:33:22

everything's that literal, then it's like, you can't even use like

01:33:22 --> 01:33:24

the days, the names of the days of the week, right? It's

01:33:26 --> 01:33:30

Thursday. So it's like all those people like, what are you doing?

01:33:30 --> 01:33:35

At that point? Literally, like, Vasily Imam hasn't. He says, give

01:33:35 --> 01:33:39

me a Muslim 73? Excuse me three excuses. So we'd have to think

01:33:39 --> 01:33:42

about that when it comes to a post. This is a post this is not a

01:33:42 --> 01:33:46

policy. This is not a theological essay that he wrote. Right? Not to

01:33:46 --> 01:33:48

mention the posts, the end of this.

01:33:50 --> 01:33:54

The end of that of that saying is also if you don't find it, no, I

01:33:54 --> 01:33:58

accepted the issues with you're the one with the problem, not your

01:33:58 --> 01:33:58

brother.

01:34:00 --> 01:34:03

And look for 70 And if you can't find it to you, yeah, and we're

01:34:03 --> 01:34:05

not talking about a random version. We're not talking about

01:34:05 --> 01:34:08

someone with a bad track record. We are talking about people who

01:34:08 --> 01:34:13

have done couldn't have Dean for 30 and 40 years. Okay, so they

01:34:13 --> 01:34:17

have a track record of trying to be on the truth and being on the

01:34:17 --> 01:34:21

truth. So we're not talking about someone like Reza Aslan, who has

01:34:21 --> 01:34:22

the opposite track record.

01:34:24 --> 01:34:27

So we're not talking about that so let's go to husband fund and have

01:34:27 --> 01:34:29

an African and let's learn more and get out here all right, yeah,

01:34:29 --> 01:34:33

I was just gonna say just the close it off. You know what the

01:34:33 --> 01:34:36

100 square miles of Birmingham is not the

01:34:39 --> 01:34:42

hotspot that so we've got everything that we do have a lot

01:34:42 --> 01:34:45

of listeners from Birmingham but I just want to say that I'm with

01:34:45 --> 01:34:46

their leaf right.

01:34:49 --> 01:34:50

You call him a Mufti?

01:34:53 --> 01:34:54

I shouldn't call him up.

01:34:57 --> 01:34:59

I you know the the cultural landscape and

01:35:00 --> 01:35:03

The understanding of American Muslims and I would even say if

01:35:03 --> 01:35:07

you went even deep like if you went to Philadelphia, the culture

01:35:07 --> 01:35:09

of the Muslims in Philadelphia is different than the culture of

01:35:09 --> 01:35:12

Muslims in New York City. Right as the culture of Muslims in India

01:35:13 --> 01:35:16

versus the culture of Muslims in Birmingham versus the culture of

01:35:16 --> 01:35:19

Muslims in Canada or Egypt, right. So I mean, you got to address

01:35:19 --> 01:35:22

things in there like context, really sharp beard and a haircut

01:35:22 --> 01:35:23

attest to the fact that

01:35:25 --> 01:35:26

is that today, Mashallah.

01:35:27 --> 01:35:29

He's got he's working in Philly, 90 comes back.

01:35:31 --> 01:35:34

For the people who don't know, one time, I was in the area. And I

01:35:34 --> 01:35:37

saw, you know, that picture that has all the different cuts? Yeah.

01:35:37 --> 01:35:40

And all the way in the bottom right? They got the Sunni, it

01:35:40 --> 01:35:44

said, so now. It's called the Sunni, that beard is even called

01:35:44 --> 01:35:48

the Sunni, you know, fairly and stuff. Hey, can I say something

01:35:48 --> 01:35:50

really quick? All right. So remember, we were having that

01:35:50 --> 01:35:53

discussion today about that article that Mark manly had

01:35:53 --> 01:35:56

written that moved us forward? Yes. It's a good article, maybe we

01:35:56 --> 01:35:59

should post it or something. But I just want to say that when I was

01:35:59 --> 01:36:04

in, I spent just a few days in Morocco over the summer. And I had

01:36:04 --> 01:36:06

the same feeling that I had whenever I go in the Muslim world,

01:36:06 --> 01:36:09

but it was more pronounced this time, which was that, and I didn't

01:36:09 --> 01:36:13

have an explanation for it's just a feeling that being Muslim in a

01:36:13 --> 01:36:17

place like that is actually possible. Which means that the

01:36:17 --> 01:36:20

counter of that is true as well, which is being Muslim in a country

01:36:20 --> 01:36:26

like this. It's maybe not fully possible. And which, like what,

01:36:26 --> 01:36:29

like being Muslim in America is not fully possible, like being

01:36:29 --> 01:36:32

Muslim is like what I posted on the group is like, you know, just

01:36:32 --> 01:36:36

being a proper normal, everyday Muslim, praying your five times a

01:36:36 --> 01:36:41

day giving your God helping the poor, you know, visiting the sick,

01:36:41 --> 01:36:43

as you're saying, it's not possible. It's much more difficult

01:36:43 --> 01:36:47

here, right? So what he meant Mark was saying is that we in all of

01:36:47 --> 01:36:50

this, trying to fight to preserve our deen, sometimes we we, we we

01:36:50 --> 01:36:55

overlook just the mere the sheer joy of being a Muslim, right, just

01:36:55 --> 01:36:57

living our life and telling our families about how happy we are

01:36:57 --> 01:37:00

that we're Muslim. And just like, like it was pre 911, right? Yeah.

01:37:00 --> 01:37:03

Before every before people started attacking Islam, and then people

01:37:03 --> 01:37:05

started defending Islam. And then people started selling out their

01:37:05 --> 01:37:08

Islam so that they could be accepted. And then the next few

01:37:08 --> 01:37:10

came from the different from that, and this is the whole cycle that

01:37:10 --> 01:37:12

we've been going through. And that's all we're doing now is

01:37:12 --> 01:37:15

being reactive and reactionary, instead of just being Muslim.

01:37:15 --> 01:37:18

Yeah. And it's absolutely true. And when I'm in the Muslim world,

01:37:20 --> 01:37:23

in this last time, I felt more pronounced. It just felt like if I

01:37:23 --> 01:37:27

lived here, and I wasn't even in like, first I was in Marrakech,

01:37:27 --> 01:37:30

right? I just felt like if I lived here, I could be, it will be so

01:37:30 --> 01:37:34

easy to be a Muslim all the time. Right? It wouldn't it wouldn't be

01:37:34 --> 01:37:36

it wouldn't be, it wouldn't, I wouldn't have to ever think about

01:37:36 --> 01:37:40

it. Yeah. Whereas when I'm in America, it's constantly work just

01:37:40 --> 01:37:44

to be on my, on my Islam, or maybe there's more reward, inshallah

01:37:44 --> 01:37:48

just felt good. I mentioned just one thing, just

01:37:50 --> 01:37:51

the new guy, you don't get

01:37:56 --> 01:37:57

just as a positive note,

01:37:58 --> 01:38:03

like I think that I mean, I think especially in this country, we're

01:38:03 --> 01:38:07

in a situation very much like the American situation where the and

01:38:07 --> 01:38:10

the Mexican situation produced the best believers, right? Like you

01:38:10 --> 01:38:14

don't have pressure. Yeah, you don't have pressure you don't you

01:38:14 --> 01:38:17

also the 10 people promise paradise are all from Mecca.

01:38:17 --> 01:38:22

Right? Yeah. So like you don't? So I think one of our other example,

01:38:22 --> 01:38:23

Mahendra

01:38:24 --> 01:38:28

not sure I agree with that. But I think like Islam, I think like

01:38:28 --> 01:38:32

history has shown that Islam really shows itself under

01:38:32 --> 01:38:35

pressure, like and I think true. I think that's a quality of the

01:38:35 --> 01:38:37

truth. Like one of the reasons that I find the sun personally

01:38:37 --> 01:38:40

convincing is that it's able to deal with so much diversity,

01:38:40 --> 01:38:44

right? When it's put under pressure. It has a response to it.

01:38:45 --> 01:38:49

It actually blossoms, right? And I think like, that's that unique

01:38:49 --> 01:38:51

opportunity here and here in America. So I just want to be

01:38:51 --> 01:38:55

optimistic about that was very beautiful. So no, no, and we got

01:38:55 --> 01:38:59

to blossom into something that maybe some other groups did. And

01:38:59 --> 01:39:04

that is connected with the poor parts of the country. And I don't

01:39:04 --> 01:39:06

know if I've said this before, but we are we have a group that makes

01:39:06 --> 01:39:10

a run every week. If I had the money, I would make that run every

01:39:10 --> 01:39:15

day, we'll make a run with about maybe 50 or 60 containers of food

01:39:15 --> 01:39:19

to the local area. That's really poor day laborers, drunks, and all

01:39:19 --> 01:39:22

that people were like chronically drunk, and my opinion is are

01:39:22 --> 01:39:25

chronically high on something. They're done. They're cracked,

01:39:25 --> 01:39:28

their brains are fried, whether they're guilty for doing it

01:39:28 --> 01:39:32

themselves or not. Who knows. But in my opinion, is like some people

01:39:32 --> 01:39:34

you just have to take care of them for life. There's no getting them

01:39:34 --> 01:39:37

out of a rut right there in the rough permanently. Just help them

01:39:38 --> 01:39:41

and make it easier and give them food. I really believe that that's

01:39:41 --> 01:39:45

what Muslims should be focused on on. And Winter's coming. Oh, well,

01:39:45 --> 01:39:49

yeah. Not only that went to winter, the allegorical winter of

01:39:49 --> 01:39:52

another economic downturn. You see it in the news every day. They're

01:39:52 --> 01:39:55

predicting. Right? Well, I mean, we're bubbling. So yes, what

01:39:55 --> 01:39:57

markets exactly and what kind of response are we going to have? Are

01:39:57 --> 01:40:00

we going to have responses just worrying about ourselves?

01:40:00 --> 01:40:02

I was crying and all that stuff. Alright, so let's wrap it up just

01:40:02 --> 01:40:08

coming off here this first episode of episode or season three, s

01:40:08 --> 01:40:09

three E one

01:40:11 --> 01:40:15

does that go lock in? And we want to wrap it up. That's it. It's all

01:40:15 --> 01:40:18

thank you everyone. Thank you for the time and comments coming out

01:40:18 --> 01:40:20

and now

01:40:28 --> 01:40:33

it's it's an honor to you know, be in the same table as Dr. shot the

01:40:33 --> 01:40:34

other people

01:40:35 --> 01:40:38

I really mean that so you did a great job. All right. All right.

01:40:38 --> 01:40:42

We're looking forward to an awesome episode next week or the

01:40:42 --> 01:40:45

week after I think so listen to that. That's that's a great

01:40:45 --> 01:40:48

breakdown on theodicy and the problem of evil. So look forward

01:40:48 --> 01:40:51

to that and inshallah we'll talk to you soon. I said, I'm on a good

01:40:51 --> 01:40:51

one.

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