The Holes in the Quran Preservation Narrative Exposed

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Salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi or cancel, and how are you guys doing?

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This is a very important lecture about the preserved Koran, the preservation of unprotected book. And what I try, what we're trying to do in general on this webinar is I'm going to try and go through all of the controversies and all of the solutions that are controversy. So what you should be aware of now you should have

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a good kind of

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understanding of the main controversies that relate to the forum being preserved and how to deal with those. Now, obviously, from an Islamic perspective, we have in the nationalism ethic row in Allah hola happy alone.

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So chapter 15, verse nine, that we have certain the certain the army certainly sent down the book. And we, indeed, his guardian, is a theological tenant of our belief to believe that the four iron is preserved. Now, obviously, before I continue, since this will be quite educational, hopefully, what I request from those who are listening as I usually do if you follow my webinars, and if you're taking notes, to make sure that they're organized so that you can refer back to them, because we are going to be putting a lot of heavy machinery on the table, we are going to be going through some things which I think I suspect, many people listening to this will not grasp in the first instance.

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So in order to ease and facilitate the educational process, make sure that it's not passive learning, because a lot of the stuff we are going to be covering is not easy to to understand that. So

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we'll start with the basics, though. I mean, so the first thing you're going to be writing is what we're going to be covering, you don't have to put all of this down. But the first thing we're going to be talking about are the key areas of controversy. When I say controversy, we're talking about difference of opinion, both within Islam and outside of Islam. So what Muslims

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are in controversy with with each other and what non Muslims will say, in order to

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potentially say that the foreigner is not preserved. So we have to know what kind of controversy we're talking about.

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And then we're going to talk about we're going to go on from a logical order. So from from athalon, until the companions and then the most half the time, Baka Cydia conductometric Codex, and some of the objections, and then we're going to go into the discussion of what are the afro? And what are the filler art, some of the main opinions,

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we're going to be focusing on a public view. And we're going to be thinking about the view that has the greatest explanatory scope. And I'll add here the lowest burden of proof as well. And that's, I mean, when you're making an argument, you always want to make an argument with the lowest burden of proof, and the highest explanatory scope. That's usually what you want to do. But it's not only that, because you're trying to make an argument and win the argument is that that which has the lowest burden of proof, and the highest explanatory scope is usually that, which is the most sophisticated or most correct answer to whatever it is we're trying to find. So what are we talking

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about the primary key of the old tradition, and then we're going to have questions. The last time I tried to do this, I did have

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a serious migraine I suffer from and have suffered from migraines for four years now. And something internal within the brain. And so I couldn't go through this properly. So this hopefully will give me a chance to go through this with you. Now this, this is the areas of controversy, okay.

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In terms of

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Even so, you got 10 cannot we're gonna talk about what those are. Okay, you got 10 catalogs which are 10 ways of accessing the Quran. There are 10 ways of accessing the Quran. And we access the Quran through what you call the recitations. Yeah, that pirot and the pill art are named after the main if you like, reputational masters. Yeah. Who taught their students Okay, so if you read karate, now you're likely to read in Hassan awesome. Okay, Hassan. arson is everywhere, which means it's tough. is a student of asked him, okay, how often is this individual? Okay, who was the master of your art of his time? There is 10 major masters but actually more than 10 but that we use now in the

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Muslim world to access the Quran. You see, when we're accessing the Quran, we don't just open the book and try and read. We access it through a normative recitation. And so there are 10 normative recyclers, yes. And the main masters of general art and

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This is what we can consider the prompt. So these this is the way in which we act upon. Now the question is, first question is there variation is a very important question. Is there variation when it comes to the 10? euro? The answer is yes. What kind? Second question What kind of variation is there? Okay. So these are two very important questions. Listen carefully.

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Number one question, is there variation? Question mark? Answer? Yes.

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Yes, we will answer how and Yanni we account for this variation. But number two, what kind of variation is there? That's the second question. So, the first question was, what is their variation? We said, Yes. What kind of variation is that? We're going to cover that. Okay. Now within the 10. Normal, within the sub there were seven and then expanded by reinjected into 10. normative readings? Yes, you have words which are either or so for example, when we recite Koran, everyone who's listening to this should know so fatter.

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So we said, Oh, humbler Logan a bill. I mean, I've recommended americium within until the end of the song. Within the 10 readings, there are two ways of reading the Word Malik, you're muted. So what Medicare can either be read as Malik, or it can be read as malloc? You see, these are two different ways of reading this particular word, okay. So it can be malloc, which means the owner or malloc, which means the king. Now, so within 10, the 10 different readings? Yeah. The only difference that you're going to find in terms of words, in sort of fact, is in one word, and that word is manic and met. Now the question is, okay, students, in fact, the highs are quite small surah. What if we asked

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about the whole Koran, listen carefully. What about the whole Quran? What is see how many differences in variations are there in the entire poron throughout the seven major readings, now even Mujahid was a classical scoring scholar, one of the most leading names obviously existed about 1000 years ago, and hero archetype, a book called keytab, South African art.

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And he says that there was 700 places around 700 words, which have variants. Yes. 700 words. That's what he says. So within those seven normative readings, there are 700 words, what kinds of readings are we talking about? What kind of differences like Malik, which means or not? And Malik, do these differences have a narrative altering implication? The answer is no. It doesn't change the stories of the time, it doesn't change. And I'll say this, tentatively, the second part, the creed of Islam, there are some of them, which have an implication on creed, which I'll explain to you which ones they are throughout this, this webinar. But they don't have a narrative changing implication, we're

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talking about 700 words now. And my correspondence was one of the I'm not gonna call them an orientalist is actually an academic. Okay, his name is Van kooten. And I had a correspondence with him, he's seen this leading manuscript edits of the West. And I actually told him this, I said, you know, 700 words. And that can be explained as we're going to come to through the outro, and so on and so forth. And I can actually read out to you what he said, Now, this is not Jay Smith, or David Wood, who is an ultra prepper Darien who has no formal training on this is someone who has at least got some sense of the Islamic sciences, non Muslim. This is what I said to him. And I can use it on

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my Twitter, right. So I thought

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about this. I said,

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Yeah, I said, but this would only apply to 700 words. So there was a conversation going on. 700 words even in my jacket. Yeah, which is called the Khilafat foshay, which is

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in the room means the meat where the meanings change there and also greens where the pronunciations change, and then we'll talk about the different the 700 odd words in the Khilafat five Sharia

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tables us around young adults 77,000. Now there's 77 I want to say this 77,000 words around.

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Now what 777,000 less than 1% Yeah. So I thought

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From fattiness,

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what you're saying so he was saying something was totally in line with that traditional view, pay pay story pay attention to I'm saying, What am I saying is that those 700 words, bear in mind, I'm saying this to not someone who's on my side, I'm not saying this to an orientalist. It's it's actually publicly record said, Look, the 700 words isn't alignment for sorry, the traditionalist view, what did he say? He said, I agree. I've seen that number 700. before and it seems low, did some back of the envelope calculations and would think is about double that number. Okay, let's go with it. Yeah, still only, he says still only a tiny percentage of the words that is actually

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disagreed upon. So he agrees. But he says one time we have, let's say, It's 1400. It's about double. Now, if you guys have written essays, I'm sure many of you people have written essays. Yes, you have written essays, or you have read blogs, and you have read, you know, articles, and so on and so forth.

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What are those individuals who have done that? What is 700? words in English? Why is 700 words why is about an a4 paper and a half? Like one and a half? Are we talking about two a4 papers? Let's say 2000? Words like what Van kooten was saying 1500? About two, maybe to a four? to a four? Yeah, maybe three, four? Okay. 567

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was the problem. You're telling me that in 23 years? Okay. This is what I'm saying in 23 years, that and this is the claim the traditional claim that the Prophet Muhammad Ali or Selim, when it came to select words, you couldn't say medic and medic, for example, you can leave on the bone.

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First, I stepped back from fabriano, which means very similar things. You wouldn't even translate it differently. That's how bad chuck it was. How would you even the only translate that different does that but you know, very similar. Yani 500 600 700 words 1000 worth 2000? How long will it take you to read 1000 words? How long? Take you 20 minutes, maybe less? Maybe 10 minutes? Honestly, if you read quite quick. So you're telling me 10 minutes of speech couldn't have been sent over 23 years? Basically, the controversy and this is the point here, guys, the controversy. Okay, one of the main areas. So the question is, is there a controversy? The answer's yes. One of the main areas of

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controversy is to do with the variants. Write this down to do with the barians.

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Question one, all the variants, answer is yes. Question two, what kind of variants we're talking about variants, which don't have a narrative altering implication, but they are differences in words, both of which we uphold as crime, and as speech of Allah and so on.

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So this is what we're talking about now, this secondary layer of controverse. And also, what did we say? We said throughout the canonical texts, the normative readings, that's one layer of controversy, are there differences in variances? The answer is yes. Now the question, a secondary question. And this is important, very important, all the variants outside of the automatic script?

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In other words, can we find manuscripts? Do we find manuscripts and palimpsests and different,

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you know, material, which has completely different continental structures and completely different words before and after? omitted, included? Or, you know, from that which we have gotten many texts that second question, because the automatic tax, the template or art can be read through them. But sometimes you have many scripts that are not automatic, and that have different kinds of words in them word order.

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And the question is, can they sometimes be different?

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I mean, this is an important question.

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This is a very important question. The answer is yes. for someone to argue, and most of them to argue that no, all of the manuscripts are the same. This is a foolish argument with all due respect. And by the way, not only is a foolish argument, it's not even an Islamic argument, or one that we need to defend. And this shows you the weakness and I have to say, it's not our fault. It's not the fault of the orientalist and the disbelievers and the big redwoods in the basements. It's not their fault. It's our fault that we don't look into our own tradition and realize what it's actually saying. The question is, number two question. Very important are there

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Difference is outside of the automatic text. Answer is what am I saying? Yes, there are. I'm not saying there isn't any difference. So there are differences outside determine Yes. And such differences are even documented. Listen carefully that even documented in the Hadees

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Hadees. of for example, what does that say? I don't say what Metallica Daiquiri will answer, almost like a duck. Or I say was that can you alone?

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So we recite, it was too late to lay chapter 92. Well, my follow up. Well, that that was one of the companions, he doesn't respond to my follow up, he replied with that. How do you explain this? Why don't you explain the fact that this manuscripts when was this was a lot lost, also not lost? It says, you know, it was awful, bought and then falafel, awesome in there. How can you explain that?

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How can you explain that? This is the question. Because if you have someone in the beginning of this that doesn't even recognize the controversy, then you will not be able to recognize the way in which our tradition Islam itself solves these controversies. Now. Yes.

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So the two questions that we started with all their variants, yes. What do we say what does the tradition say about the variance? The tradition says that the Prophet recited it like this and recited it like that. he recited Malik, he recited Malik. How many? How many words are there different? Even Mojang? says 700 that important was meant to be?

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non Muslim expert says those about double no problem double, triple quadruple 10 times no problem even 7000.

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Holocaust narrative altering implication? No. So far, we're following. Are there differences? Yes. Are there differences outside of dogmatic texts enthusiasts? Yes. How many are there? So this is actually quite good because brother has a fun I was reading this he's got actually a probably one of the best things I've seen in the English language.

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It's actually only happy Yes, there's controversy around European and but this article is good. I can vouch for this article is one of the best in the on the whole website. And you can see on the bottom, and he shows

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he shows quoting someone else Mohammed pasa who says that now outside the manuscript, how many variants are there with narration?

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He says 19. So we've got 700 from even more giant and you have 19 outside the manuscript, this is nonsense. That's how I mean, this is mine, not 19 words 19 differences. This is not a monster. Now we're going to come to how to not do orientalist because by the way, most orientalist won't do this is the evangelists. Yes. The evangelicals and the evangelists and those individuals they make out to be honest, the Oriental is that they're not that what you think they are. I mean, some of them non Muslims are not like what you think I swear this is, when you have conversations that agree with a lot of what you have to say, the traditional knowledge they agree with it. And no, it's not as as

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Stark and dark, as many people make out. It's not like that. So what kind of difference is 700? According to Mujahid, and 19 outside of the manuscripts? How do you account for those differences outside the manuscript? Now, we're going to talk about that today. But that's an important question, which you're not going to get an answer to right now you're going to get an answer to maybe in five or 10 minutes time, so you have to listen, pay out pay attention to this, right.

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But before we talk about that, which is the meat before we talk about that much as the main, let's talk about the basic history, okay, so we believe as Muslims, that the professor salon, he got the divine revelation from jabril.

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And when we transmitted it, during prayers during this show that many different things, and he would continually put my salon, it wouldn't be the case that he would just recite one surah. At one time, he would recite it many times in prayers. And are we in this context in that context, in many different contexts?

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But he would, he would recite these things. The Prophet asked the companions to recite in front of him. Now how do we know that? Because after they come to the Prophet Muhammad said that the companions use very important words up near.

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Yeah, I've only heard that the Prophet tour class this way. Yes. can say that they were making up themselves, the Sahaba. Were not making of themselves. The Zahava. We're not making up themselves or using whatever words they want.

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If that was the case, why are you picking up Crimea, which means that they were the that the angel sorry that the problem was that he was teaching me Sorry, this is what the word means. That's what the word means. So once again, this is a claim out there that the compiler would put in whatever word they want. No, they wouldn't. Sorry, they wouldn't do that. And there's no evidence of this, in fact, and there was no proper allowance of that. I don't agree with this. Because if that was the case, how come the profit monster so as the complaints pop up, in the famous hadith of Hashem, Hakeem, and he shall Hakeem himself and obey, and many, many, many of the companions will use the

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word Accra ni hat, that the Prophet taught us this way. Yes, he taught us exactly like that, moreover, that the companions when they used to be in prayer with one another, and some of them made mistakes, other ones would correct them. If you could just read it willy nilly wherever you wanted to do it. There'll be no correction. Sorry, there would be no correction. There'd be no SIM card for FDA, there'd be no way to do is to God doesn't make sense. Doesn't make sense. Sorry. It doesn't make sense. So hey, it's very clear

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that Amanda salami taught it to the components, and the components, they torture to each other. Now, why is it that some companions, they read it in one way, and then they did it in car of the other way? Meaning what? Meaning that they said it wasn't like this, the alterations, like, you know, I didn't like it, I just mentioned, you will definitely want to maharlika the difference between the two, it is because of the pros. And that's very important that we're going to go through this. But the act of tell us, and it's very important that the Koran was always a multi formal text was a multi format was not a fixed text. And these key words, by the way, guys, you should have a

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glossary. And you should be writing those key words in the back of your glossary in Sharla. Because they're going to come in handy when you have conversations, to individuals are questioning the preservation of the Quran. And believe me, by the end of this webinar, I promise you one thing,

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all of the major contentions about the Quran and the preservation of Quran they will be resolved, they will be resolved. And it might sound like a brief statement or confidence statement.

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Yes, but I tell you something, so long as what I bring forward to you is a from the tradition and be had the explanatory scope, then helaas virtue respect, nobody can come to us and tell us about the preservation.

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No one can come to us and talk to us about that. So yes, we talked about the Muslims to make it a central part of their life. It was a it was part of the culture. It was part of the culture. It wasn't just something that

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was locked up in books. So this is no No, no, this was recited, recited in prayer, how many times we pray, how many times we pray a day or we supererogatory prayers, additional prayers, voluntary prayers.

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What the Quran talks about people praying for two thirds of the night. What were they praying with the two thirds of the night one small surah I thought that that was the case for the majority of Sahaba.

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Yes, some people might have repeated the same thing but not that if you're going to split the two thirds of the night or one third of the night or one half the night pray what you're going to be praying with. Clearly this staple part you are writing it down. For the most part these people were memorizing which we're gonna talk about.

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And of course, there are many different things in the Quran and the Sunnah, which encouraged the practice of memorization, which was something the Arabs were doing anyways, memorizing things poetry's and so on.

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Well occurred yesterday on an addictive animal decade, we have certainly made the Koran easy for Roman the and remember its meaning hence as well for who is going to be the one who does it. And the many a hadith that says that the more you know, Quran, or you're going to be, you know, being read and assent. These are Jani encouragements to the Muslims of that particular community to memorize the Quran.

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So clearly,

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it wasn't just the case, though, that they memorize. They also wrote it down.

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They also wrote it down and we know that there's many activities on that. I don't even need to mention them to you.

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And Arabic context,

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as I've just mentioned, is the context where the Arabs were just memorizing everything. They were memorizing everything memorized.

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This is not the iPad generation phones and this wasn't like that. Okay, so the Arabs, okay, what we're known for the the poetry that they would do. And by the way, this is even mentioned before, I like the fact that the Arabs were like that, in sort of the shot of chapter 26 of the Quran.

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You know, that genlock see that these poets are in every Valley, praising, and so on and so forth.

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When the whom we are kulula, left alone, and they do what they don't mean, they say what they don't do, and this and that. So they're these, these, these poets are everywhere, they're commonplace, and people are listening to them this entertainment. And they would, instead of videoing it, or recording it, as we do today, they would memorize what they say and go back to their families and talk about what they are. That's how, that's how they recorded information. This is what you have to understand that time. Now we record how to record by putting all your camera on your smartphone, but back in the days, they recorded by putting on their internal camera, their brains, and they would

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they would memorize the information in the hearts of these poets. I could come back and,

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and and speak to the families but so this is something which is part of the thick description, if you want to call it that of that particular culture.

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Now, this, this question of who memorized the Quran, there is a hadith that says for but it's not just for and we know from the plethora of Hadees that people have memorized the Quran near men, and the fatwa killed and so on and so forth. So it wasn't just for individuals that just memorized the Quran. This is a waste of time interrogation. And even if they were for that as the as the orientalist another frame estive is only for those that the theater for that according to this view, which is not correct, yes. The for that memorize the whole thing, according to this view, which is not correct. But then it wouldn't discount the fact that people that knew chunks of it, and they can

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put it together, there were 1000s of Sahaba, there were 1000s of Sahaba.

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So you see, these are some of the names of people who have memorized it for us, it's not just the four that people say that they think they is.

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So of course, going just in terms of the basics here, a year after programs or some set of locks to get older that must have been collected, and you put it off the bottom of the Mm hmm. And this basically this battle. A lot of people have memorized the Quran, as we've said many of them had died, which means that there was more than four, right? And what was the deal assigned zeta sabots, who was one of the people

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to accomplish this mission. So they came together and they and they put the most have together the Continental skeleton and so on and so forth. And they gave it to

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us who did who gave it to put onto the tassels bed and was there.

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So we had a a must have, which is a book of an entire put on only a year one year after Masterson Fest, but of course, his time there were parchments and other things. Which shows you that the even though the Arabs have such a good memory and that time, and they memorize it wasn't just through the memorization of the people, it was also written down.

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So dogmatic Codex.

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So we're going to talk about that a little bit later. And how could How could it be one of the questions I thought of this, this webinar with that you can have something which is outside the Codex, how can you have something different to the Codex? Okay. But before we talk about that, how this is an important question, did the Codex form in the first place? So the Codex formed through a legend as a committee, which was put together at the time of my life, I've been a fan, and had enough people like zaytoven fabric to was there, obviously, and some of other workers have dipped, and other names that you can see down there. But it was it was a committee of the most proficient

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people have fallen, people that have met the Prophet heard it from the Prophet directly from him. And then they wrote it down into different causes. Question, have any of those codici survived? The answer? No. What you find now with the Topkapi and manuscripts and the palimpsest, and some are and this and that none of this is what we're talking about when we say it's the five or six or seven masahito, that men have actually written with his hand and so on and so forth. This is a poor way of arguing. What did you say I said, this is a poor way of arguing. We never made the claim in the first place that such massage have a survived or be need to survive and those people who do make

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that claim from the Muslim side

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The poor claim, because historical details will show us that some of the most early manuscripts that we have they're not actually right from the time of the first century. They're very, very early, extremely early, like the top copyright descriptors, 99% or folios. And it's in line with what we know. Yes, but it's not the town of mendon. Right. That was the time do we require that Othman wrote the thing with his hand in order for the product to be preserved? No. When we're talking about preservation, we are not talking very clearly about manuscript preservation. Let me be very clear, when we are talking about the preservation of the Quran, let me be very clear, we are not talking

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about manuscript preservation.

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We are talking about the preservation of a spoken recitation from vatha FNS from chapter one 2014 of the Quran. And before someone comes in and says what happened Massaro didn't believe in Falcon that was bla bla bla he was there to come Walkman. And how come he didn't object to the fact that that was put into the Codex And not only is that the case, but how comes all of the fit then change of narration, they go back to miss out if has an awesome about me and even miss out. So he changed his mind. Yes, there is variation where everything was out first and belief are a natural part of the Quran. But clearly after that is Mahajan, last Kalani mentions, he changed his mind. He was confused

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in the beginning. And then he changed his mind.

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Which shows you that no one is perfect, but that people came together. And all of the companions came together on this at this.

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And this was then transmitted to the next generations and so on and so forth. So we can safely assume that the manuscripts that we have some of them would be a copy of those copies we see of the automatic Codex, not actually dogmatic Codex in itself. That's not what we're arguing. Be very clear. We're not arguing that preservation of Koran is means preservation of manuscripts we are talking and I'll tell you what we mean by preservation. I'm very important. Yes.

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So what they did was they had the Quran they said, Okay, this is what what comes first, what comes second, what comes third?

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At that time, there was no Datsun compete, or diacritical marks.

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Yet, there wasn't any of those things there. So there was the skeleton, the Continental skeleton, it was that, but it could facilitate sometimes more than one word, which is very important. So the Continental skeleton can and that's the key word you might want to put into your glossary. It can facilitate more than one was, okay. Why would it need to we'll talk about that, in more photos, or other copies were burns. And this was just to try and ensure that there was one standard copy and others were not allowed to there was no confusion. There is no confusion.

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So clearly, there's no downside. Because if all of these people are coming together and agreeing also have are agreeing, this is what we've heard.

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And we don't see of any Yes. Listen, we know that there were there was fighting before this happened. edric automatic? Yeah, well as the cometan othmar kind of said, going going out your honor before they become like Jews and Christians who didn't fit in their book. So quickly sorted out because this one's reciting in this way. And this one's reciting that way. But when the Grand Master Sahaba of the Quran came together, and all agreed, this is the plan, they'll no doubt afterwards, we don't hear of any iterations of the harbor fighting each other. They're off fighting each other. So you don't read like that you don't read like us. The job has been done. After this time. We do find

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narrations and this is all going to come to the extra manuscript evidence and extra narration evidence, why is there if it's true that the prime is only men allowed and so on and so forth? How can you find things outside and sahaabah even reading with their house afterwards? That's different story. We're going to come to it. We're going to come to that.

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Yeah. So this is the oldest and most half that I think we have is I'm not an expert on manuscripts, quite frankly, and Islamic has got some really interesting pictures.

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And details of manuscripts, this is the one the top copy 190 9% folios. And it's in the first century, it's not automatic, but it's probably a copy of, of our automatic script as you can see here. It's it's the Continental skeleton is exactly what we have now. But this is for us is additional, it's not something which is asleep, it's just an additional thing. We don't use it as if there was no manuscript on the earth. If this one didn't exist, the Quran would still be preserved, okay and I want you to understand that put that in your mind.

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Alright, so, some objections now some say what others others some verses which will last.

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So for example, in Muslim document I mentioned that shall relate, relate that when promises and suffered agony of death, he got busy looking for him, her pet animal came in a paper that contained some of the verses and some of 10.

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A lot, you know, but it's just to say that Ayesha herself is the only person who knows different. This is a very weird interrogation if you think about it. But we have to remember that there were some verses in the Quran which were abrogated mad men seem in a man's own car. Next, if you find him in

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chapter two, verse 160, some verses used to be part of the Quran and Allah, He will remove this. And she herself believed in the abrogation of those verses, and there are different variations to the, to that point. So it's important to realize that there are some verses that were part and then they were removed from the Quran. Yes. And Allah mentions this in Quran

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he mentions this in Quran so abrogation and ness is an important part. When did when was all the application finished Florida here?

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Were before the masasa runtime, Angel Gabriel came to him. And he read the Quran to him twice, and so on. And so that last revision was that which remains the last rendition. There were some verses because we believe in abrogation, which were part of the removed men and seminarians in our own homes. He had to be hired in Macau, yeah. chapter two, verse

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106. Therefore, this is explained within the operators. Yes, the operators, the mechanisms of the Quranic structure already. So if someone comes and says, Well, some verses last for this, and I said, Listen, this was will abrogate it this particular narration. And as ourself believe in the abrogation, that's one of one important to one common objection. So we talked about this already objection to Obama's out.

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They say, Well, he didn't believe is in the regime that says he doesn't really follow a natural part of the law. We say yes, he didn't at first, but he clearly changed his mind because his narrations of the Koran include fell out unless we have narrations with his name in it, which includes, unless how to explain this, how to explain this. Hassan often his narrative has an author that I'm about and it no doubt,

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he was alive at the time of the legend of Mammoth Mountain and take these two series out, therefore, maybe in the beginning, he thought, you know, this is not part of the process. So and then after you realize, yes, actually part of the process. So the fact that he's in the chain of narration destroys and eliminates all of the claims of the individuals who say, look, you know,

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look at this, he didn't believe it was part of that he brings you a heavy from Buhari or something like that. So yes, but he changed his mind.

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So now let's get to the juice of it. Let's get to the truth of it. And what are the

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what? Before we get to what exactly are the afro number one, and you should be taking your notes, you should be taking your notes here and being very careful. Yes. saying, well, this is what you're gonna write on top of the page. What are the African underlining with two lines, you can underline it with two lines.

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And then you're going to write down the textual basis of so let's read this headings together. Our new hakab reported that I heard from Shannon Hakeem, I sorry, I heard he shouldn't Hakeem reciting surah four part in a way that was different from how I recited it and how I was taught how it was taught to me by the Messenger of Allah, after up near peace and blessings be upon him. This is the one that we talked about. He taught it. It wasn't for something you heard, we can put whatever words he wants into into it. No, no, no. ochlocknee has lost our Salah. Yeah, I was about to argue with him. Danny, I was about to take him really. But then I waited until he finished and I tried to shut

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around his neck because I was no joke.

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See if this was if you can read them around wherever you want. What are you talking about? Why it's almost doing nothing? Why are you taking the shirt and wrapping around his neck? I mean, Are you being serious? I can really wherever you want, How come he's taking the shot and my neck and moving him and I took him to the masala. See how delicate they were precise they were. It wasn't that it was reciting a different soul altogether. It was just some differences. He said, Wait a minute, why is he reciting it like this? Is this guy trying to mislead me? Is this guy trying to take is he trying to change the Koran? That's how he's thinking. So he said, You know what, I'm gonna wait for

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him to finish and then he grabbed him and he put him in and hold

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maybe some kind of chokehold Allahu Allah. He tried to shut around his neck. Sounds like some kind of color chokehold to me.

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Maybe he will. I don't know how a llama was a big man. He's a strong man. I don't know how he did this. You know, he wasn't he wasn't just playing around.

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He said, I said, Indeed, I heard this man recite in a way that was different from the what what you taught me You went to the broker is in front of the perfect always asking him he said, Look.

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The Prophet said to me, bring him to me to bring

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the Prophet said to him recite.

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Then he recited and the Prophet said, Listen, I can only see that it was revealed like the action. And then he said all you recite and then he recited it, and then said how it was recited like that as well.

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Yes, it's like that. And it's like that. How could it be like that? And then the Prophet gave the answer. We're gonna help you said as it has been revealed, weapons of Iran has been revealed in seven dialects, recite whichever of them which you would find easy,

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waving. So the Quran does some verses, there are some words that can be recycled in one way. And that can be recited Another way is that something which the traditionalist, the Muslims, the scholars have to invent in order to try and explain the variance, the readings of the variants? No, this is something which has textual evidence from the time of the Prophet himself, he said it.

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And this is probably one of the most explicit a hadith that shows that the Quran and put this in right this one, but say now, in your own words, in your own words, that the Quran is not a fixed text, postdoc, point one, four R is not a fixed text, it is a multi formal text, meaning we don't claim that the client should not have variants. Listen carefully, please. Some people that are still making videos for five years 10 years, are they foolish?

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Foolish. We are saying we don't claim that the Quran should not have variance.

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We are claiming that they should have variants. In fact, if the foreign only was only one way, this would disprove this Hades Subhanallah timepiece? Yes. If the Quran is only one reading, and there's no American moluccan does that work one by one just

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talking about what we're talking about. So there has to be variance.

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There has to be variance.

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And the variance and look at this was the taste theory was to facilitate ease was to facilitate what ease because there's some people they find it easy to use one words, and the people they find the easy to use another. So and if you look at all of the activities, and I haven't got time to do this in this webinar, that deal with where the profit is literally making that to gibreel to Allah subhanaw taala. To to bring

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bring asking for jabril. To send it Yes, the Quran to reveal it in a way that can help the old people and the one who does not know Qatada not know how to read or write and he's trying to make it accessible.

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He wants it to be accessible for everybody. This is the reason why there's some words like this in this world, like that's why, let's say see.

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Now, that's the textual basis for it. So let's move on to the next one. So the question is, what are they?

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Okay, what are

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the Ashraf You see, there are three major opinions, something or this 40 opinions, actually, these 40 opinions they're not they're not really opinions, you know, assumed dimensions on that has 40 opinions. People don't take that seriously. Um, would you respect that model hustle team, that the specialists of the area they don't take that seriously? Yes, there's not 40 opinions. Therefore, there's, for example, some of the things that didn't

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Say from Sufi orders or something like that and say this alto manual NASA from a software actually cannot get this is not this, these are not part of the 14.

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They don't have back. That is why I'm saying this. I'm not saying this. Because No, I'm saying that these four opinions, they don't have that much backing, they have picked the two opinions which have the most backing

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are the opinions of the Quran and the meta kelemen. Opinion one, and the opinion of a publisher who is the opinion of the Hadith,

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which is opinion two. Okay, so you have two different kinds of opinion.

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So let's go through each one, the qura people like human destiny, and another kalamoon people like Dr. Raj and others, they are the same, that the ashgrove are seven categories of difference. For example, word order,

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words having more as the added one looks on a word more or less letters, etc. So what they're looking at is they've got the tanker up in front of them. And they're saying, what are the differences? What are the categories of difference and variation that we find, and they categorize seven such categories. And it must be said that someone like it will just read, for example, has a different categorization. So back to learning was different. They all believe is old, you will hit F, or there are seven compartments, if you like categories, if you like, of difference.

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Let me give you an example.

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Let me give you an example.

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Say you go to a car showroom.

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And you see cars in front of you. Yes. You see different cars. Yeah. And you see this, you know, big car, a Jeep looking car, you know, like a coupe? I don't know, I'm looking to get cars that must have to be honest. I don't know about the different kinds of cars. Yeah. Maybe you see a motorcycle as well. Yeah, maybe a skateboard there is. Yeah.

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You see maybe a scooter maybe.

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So you see different vehicles, a lorry. And the different colors, different one black, one, white, one, red, one, yellow, one, green one, blue one.

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Now I'm within my right to say, Look, I'm going to put all the vehicles together, which are blue, I'm going to put all the vehicles together, which are blue, and I'm going to put all the vehicles together, which are reds, and I'm going to put all the vehicles together which are grieving, for all that, you know, so on and so forth. That's one category of difference what color come. And then I might say, Look, I'm going to try and compartmentalize in a different way. Now, I'm going to put all the scooters together, I'm going to pull the cars together, I'm going to put all the doors together, and so on and so forth. So I have a different category of difference. And then I say, Look, I'm

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going to put,

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you know, I'm going to put all the diesel cars together, and I'm going to pull them out and let the petrol cars together. And I'm going to pull the vehicles with no electric cars, and so on and so forth. So another contribution. So what these people are saying is that we're looking at different categories of change within the seven trucks or the 10. What are what is the most Jani they call them, the Moto Vita, the most authoritative mass transmission of prospective nangle. And we're gonna look at the different categories of change. And these are, they would argue this, these are the seven of the different categories, I'm just gonna say it's like, for example, I'll give you just one

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or two. The problem is

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there's only one example of that man, so cobalt, by the way, but so when you have one word, hotter, and hotter or colder, you're coming up with exactly the the air the evidence for that, but that's one that's one category. And then you have another one the sun, then you have the third category, which is for example, you have,

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you know, test now

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touch me out into fleet, for example.

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pluralizing, and synchronizing the same ones, and so on. So these are seven categories to see. So let's say these are the seven

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items talking about. These are the seven I hope that but there's a problem with this view.

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It doesn't explain the hobbies mentioned previously, that like, you know, how will this facilitate a and it's very difficult to imagine, yes, you can you can, you can argue, it can facilitate possibly making it easier for the people. But making something a plural or singular is not really going to make it easier for the tribes. You know, you could argue this and I would agree with that. Is that a hole in the narrative? Yeah, maybe it's actually maybe the whole narrative.

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some some some disbelieve we're gonna take your what that context though. It's the whole and what narrative in the current narrative, though that opinion. No, and the whole slam narrative. Come on. Please. Don't be ridiculous. Yeah, don't be embarrassing.

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So it does explain more of it doesn't explain

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The shot narrations or narrations, which are outside of the scope. Oh,

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the off menu is awesome. Because the question is now you've got these seven. But are these seven are not enough? To tell us the difference is our manuscript differences, this manuscript differences outside of the classroom, in addition to no narration of differences as well outside the classroom, really, this is not, it doesn't have the scope to deal with that. Let's be honest, it can deal with the different the variations within but outside, it doesn't feel as good to be honest. Because how can you explain what's going on? So

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it's not really where does it fit into? seven categories doesn't really fit in neatly into these categories. To be honest, neither does it fit into the seven categories, or velocity seven carries all different by the way they have different categories, even though they all say the different categories. So for example, it goes back to our analogy of the showroom with all the different vehicles. So I can choose color, I can choose, you know, petrol or diesel. I can choose justice that but all these people who say this categorical category difference, they choose different categories you see, so if the categories were so clear, someone would argue right and rightfully so, why don't

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you all agree upon the same categories? You see the point here? So there are some issues it's not perfectly explaining of all of the variables. So that is an issue but it does have the advantage of explaining at least Okay, these are the categories of difference and it does it doesn't go completely out of line with making it easier for you can imagine that How could that make it easier but not in a full way to be honest because the word before or after I'm not really seeing how that will help a person who's an only like a you know, you got to think about that. Now public view, which is the view of the majority and of the Football Hall and local hobbies and if not,

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if not the boss as is the view of the majority of people they say

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poverty says and he expands upon this in what in his work mo Kadima. tabari because he had a word that was written which was bigger, which is now not in it's not extinct in this catalog or something is not with us today. But in his Nakajima tabari he says basically this he says that in one words, you can have up to seven different differences. You can have up to seven differences for example, the word

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after pill means campaign in a heartbeat you put this down before we put this down with a write down what are the author of two major opinions, the opinion of the Quran and nobuta kalamoon when we said what is that pinion seven categories of difference? And each of those individuals like even yesterday, Allah was the unbar Kalani they have different parts of category descriptions so that's

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opinion one major opinion opinion to nose the opinion of a topper in the majority of football and

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then say that in one simple word you can have up to seven variations. So they say for example, what often you can have up to a hollow Matata and in the word is have you been asked that?

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Well, it had worked out that we can okay. So you can have different words up to seven which

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which which these words which are up to seven, facilitate these and by the way, this makes more sense in terms of facilitation of these you have to say and I'm not doing too much Jihad I'm leaving this out there they both have their but if you think about facilitation of ease, I mean the fact that you can say well oh hello ma OTA IRA. Clearly that will make sense that okay, this makes it easier for like, one hour thing up with Thailand we even say to Allah now in the Arab world, you know, that most artists

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will ask well, I mean, if I say to my mom,

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or my son or daughter, he's gonna say what do you mean by African?

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Understand what I'm trying to say. So I can see I can see how using different words which are synonymous, yes, using different words which are synonymous, but which means the same thing. But for different Arabic tribe, which facilitate ease for different people and would make the Quran accessible to such people. I can see that. But now there's a question.

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Let me see if it's in the next slide on second.

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The question is, how can we explain the fact

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That's a black, you do have these other categories of difference. I mean, we said before that the majority of the time, the time clock only comes one time, only one example. But you do have some other category of difference. For example, you can have the same word with the same equal in Arabic, he just has the same Hakan the same system. But it's not a synonym by has an Arabic difference. Now this is all if you don't understand what goes on. We'll break it down. I want to break it down door door. For example.

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In so you have a person who says, Well, I get by it better as

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well as you better. Why don't you have become estranged? Or you found this thing weird. And they make fun of it. That's what the

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word a means. And then you have another pillar our says biological to last Harun.

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If a light thing that I attribute to was that with Adama on the tab, that means he is finding the width. Allah Himself is finding it which is why we said that this is a different thing. Now this is freedom thing. This Allah find things with a lot of fine things. Well, how can you say, Now, obviously, these two crores is the same words, but they're wrong. Because in Arabic, you have some people they are, which is not in English, you don't have to add up in English. And the other stuff is

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killing basically the end of each word, bomb of attack, so on and so on and so forth. And that changes the meaning whether you're talking hahaha. Yeah. And what is it first person, second person or third person? The what the same? Listen, the word is the same. But now because the difference, you have done more in one color and fat head Makarov has changed the tense? Yes, the poorer opinion they do have that as well. They have a category of difference where it's either first second or third class they do have that. However, Papa, his opinion here the problem with it is does it account for such words, which have been differences which are not synonymous for the tribe? Now this

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is a very complex question. The answer is yes. And how do we know this? We know this because if you look at the theory of that particular area, he says that both and this is something different from Fareed response. Mashallah, he's the one who he sent me a mocked up that well, I he is to be credited for this example. And if you don't know for his response channel, you should know by now it should be his transition, Archie. Yeah, how dare you not be strapped this time? anyway. So it's a very good point. That a povery he accepts the differences, which are not just synonyms, meaning what? Meaning that any category of difference, which is less vague, than the category of synonymous

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change can be explained to a property through the roof, whether it's within one half or within the seven. Either way, a topper explains it, that jabril sent it to a salon in this way. And in that way. And that's exactly what he says in that scene of that particular verse. Now, so hey, we have about his opinion, is a little bit more facilitation. And it explains more within the tradition and explains more within

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the the tradition in the sense that now we know Okay, it facilitates ease. Yeah, it facilitates ease, because you're using a different word synonyms, synonyms, what another thing with a tougher is opinion, which is very, very important. And now you should be putting it down a public opinion. Number one, different synonyms of difficult the same word, facilities for the tribes. It's not, it's not limited to these differences. Yes. So other differences are also could be explained. But because we don't have the full extent work of the tabari. We can't explain to you exactly what he believes half one, is this half, two, is this part three? Is this half for that? And so it doesn't go like

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that with him. He doesn't do this.

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He doesn't go like that. The Karate do that. Yeah. And then when the Taliban do that, he doesn't go into such depth because really, and truly, he's kind of, it's almost like he's saying this is almost saying I can't go into this sequence, because I don't know exactly which is the half. But all of it basically this way saying and this is what we need to know one liner, one line, all of the variational difference within the tempura art are explained through that

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whether you believe that the afro for exactly seven because seven could mean according to many of the scholars just minute in the Arabic language, or you believe it's actually seven

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that the accuracy of our DNA

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explanatory mechanism that we use to access the different variations and put on

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and what's interesting about a topper is that he says in his book on demand, he says that

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question, healthcare article or he doesn't believe by the way, he's opinion in terms of fillers lashes different to the opinions of raw, but ah, so, many Roston handle as llll mostly floss men is the automatic Manny Lawson Yes, Mo tele Allah Jamia Allah

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is it's encompassing of all of that. He says no waiting. Why is that important? I'll tell you why.

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Because the 10 carat that we have in front of us, the Quran, believe that all of the seven Afro for in October, he does not believe that

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one more time, the poorer it will just vary. And so on the first opinion, as you can see up in the slide, and Justin winter Caliban excetera, those guys believe that that all

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of the seven growth are in the crop that we have, whether the public does not believe in that he says you can have a half Listen carefully, you can have a half hour sign the document you must have. What does this mean? It means that if we find the manuscript, or if we find the narration, or if we find something which has a different lexical formulation than the one we have enough manimals must have one conceivable understanding according to a topic, and many of them is that it's 100.

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But it's 100 that have not met the conditions. And we're gonna go through the conditions that are required in order to make a quorum, but it could be half. So the question is, someone says, this narration of miss out saying, a team, in fact of how come she was telling this man to say a team, the team, this is the N factor, or the one to 12 avatars that are this generational? She said, For us, it could be hard, was the problem on top of the issue is that you can have a half outside of the of manic Muslim. Now this is why is this significant question? Why is this significant? Because put, pay attention. If you believe that there can be a half outside of dogmatic was half every single

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manuscript evidence was contradicts staff man he must have is irrelevant. And is explained through that roof. According to not me, according to Atari.

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Listen carefully. If you find any manuscript in the world that goes against our man he must have, or if you find the narration within the Hadith tradition, which does mohyla, which goes against our manuals have according to a poverty, he says that's fine, because you can have a harmful side that you can.

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How does he come to this conclusion? He says, the reason why this is the case, is because actually, is the oma, is the preservation of course on

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when you're only preserving the Quran, do you need to preserve all seven? Or do you need to preserve one very important question? Because this question is about burden of proof

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that you all seven needs to be preserved, or the only one needs to be preserved? And by the way, this is a very important question, because when we say as Muslims, especially defending Islam, that the the Quran needs to be preserved, or the Quran is preserved.

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Someone could argue, is the Quran. Question is preserved with all seven? Or is it preserved with less than seven? Now pay attention? Because the water kalamoon and the Quran they have different answers to this question.

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And so what we do is we go with it happening, we'll go with the list, and I'll tell you why. The Quran will say no, actually, in order to be preserved, then all seven have to be preserved. All the seven attributes have to be preserved.

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And the atomic said not actually only one needs to be preserved. Why? Why? He says, Because look, when the programs our salon was telling us to read with Afro, did he tell us to read with the afro as an obligation? Or did he tell us to read with it

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as a facilitation

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and he says Actually, he does so as a facilitation, meaning what you can choose to read? Yes, with this half or that half of that half.

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So in order for the other

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To be preserved according to Atari, only 100 needs to be preserved. Meaning what? Meaning the burden of proof is lowered already, according to

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the burden of proof in terms of what is preservation? Let's do it. So that's why I say, in order for the defense, the intellectual defense of Islam to be defeated, we shouldn't go with that. We should go with the ethno, we should go with the lower Meaning what? That only one path needs to be preserved.

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But we know that more than one half is preserved, because we know that variants exist in accordance with every even if the variants did not exist.

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Yes, even if the government did not exist, then

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it wouldn't be immaterial, because we only need one he gives the example. If I if I have an oath in the Quran, it says if I have an oath, and in this oath, I go against the oath like I swear incorrectly, that something is going to happen. I have a choice of kiswa, or of closing the poll or of you know, of fasting or a bomb and Misaki. So he says, I want you to hear this. This is a quote, this is a license, you have a choice. If I do one of those things, and that's it. Yeah, if I do kiswa, that boss among the dentists is the same thing. By the way, one of the major scholars, if I just do one of those things, and it's not

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meaning as our chief police, with with the with the here law allows you to? Yeah, so it's not I don't, I'm not obliged to do all three of those things are, he says Likewise, the oma is not obliged to preserve all seven Africans only obliged to preserve one. And anything additional to that label by the Grammys, it's good, but it's not required.

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So that's an important point. To summarize this important topic. There are two major opinions of South Africans. the opinion of the Quran and Amata. kalamoon is as seven categories of difference we gave the example to show the cause and so on. The opinion stopper in the Hadith is actually the x one word up to seven differences.

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synonymous differences with different skill titles by a thought of llama is completely different. It's got its skeleton. And it could also include things which are smaller than that Adnan endemic, which we talked about, well, RGB to RGB two, doesn't think that's what was in one half what was in the seven, he hasn't swapped that out, because we haven't got well it works. However, we do know, that he does believe is often lost.

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Yeah. And so when Nikola Tesla

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says that Alan sent down to score on to Mohammed salon salon, bit lucky, like word for word. That's what it means word for word. So that's what the two opinions are.

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So all the killer apps.

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Now, if you heard some of the apologetics and some of the weird sayings of the anti Muslims, they'll say, look, there's 1000 differences 10,000 differences 40,000 differences in meetings between the karate lash of the 10th cross. I've even actually seen some

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Orientals uses this kind of argumentation in lectures,

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like, share the Hekmat and others, like these Alton masters, and look at this, he's trying to make a monster out of it. My friend, there are 700 words, let's say 1000. For a class, let's say 1000 words, differences, those 7000 words can take different formulations. So different arrangements of 700 words can be in the millions Think about this. Say for example, if I have 10 words,

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I have the 10.

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Yes, you can. I mean, what I'm trying to say to you is this, the 700 words, the qura 700 words, differences, they chose different formulations of them. So clearly, the different formulations, if you multiply them has a multiplier effect, but it's only 700 words difference. And as I said before, as no narrative altering implication. So we're talking about 700 words arranged in different ways. So what the caudate does the qura Yes, or 10 individuals that 10 individuals who choose, they choose isn't going to be molecule Mateen or is it going to be Melaka? Medina? Is it going to be the Owner of the Day of Judgment? Or is it going to be the king of the Day of Judgment? So when they come to

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that choice, is it going to be king or owner that says, here, or here, this ATR of the current str current school, that's what they call it, str makara. They choose either Malik Malik, and if they choose with 700 different instances, then

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if this choice is what creates a color so for example, in Hudson awesome when we say

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Maliki on Monday, the Owner of the Day of Judgment because Huff's and asked him by the way, because Chava has the same color, they decide that it's going to be Malik yoba Dean. So a black metal salami, who is the teacher have asked him when he told us and we told him, man Chioma de masala when he told me, he might have told him both, but

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he was a toddler, I said, You know what, I'm going to choose a mannequin with him. Now the college chooses, is it going to be medical within O'Malley comedy? Yes, it's gonna be molecule muddied. It doesn't mean that because it's a choice that he had with heroin. Right that, that now the call is put in his own words, this is nonsense. There is a pool of pre existing words that are available and then the college chooses which one of those and all of them have the backing the angelic backing of debris, and they all have the sonic Superman's Isola.

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So, in order to be authentic, there has to be three criteria, please put this down. In order for Cara to be authentic, see if it's in the next sorry.

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Yeah, in order for the Corolla to be authentic, it has to be in line with the triangulated method number one, it has to be with a solid solid, authentic nourish, authentic nourish number two has to be what, by the way, and even just this has shown to be popular as well throughout the show. So number one has to be authentic narration number two, it has to be in line with the last most many Why? Because there are so many there are so many scripts is that which has the most backing of the Sahaba. So we know now the script itself is not going to facilitate all of the

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curriculum review yet, in order for it to be

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have to be in line with the Ross mosman. Number three has to be loaded language. This is what we call the harmonizing method. The heart now chooses what what he's gonna put, it's gonna be Malik Malik. But the choice is limited to that which the Prophet said, Listen carefully. 700 words that the Prophet said in different ways. He chooses Malik Malik.

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He chooses those. There is a choice that is made by the RCMP chose medic, not medic naza chose military American.

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So those choices are limited. And they are backed by the profit. They are not

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arranged arrangements of those, if you multiply them, obviously, they're going to be in the 1000s. If you multiply them, it's going to be in the 1000s. But we're not taught the original it's 700 words. And if you and if you if you multiply 700 by 234, it's gonna be in the 1000s. But we're not talking about 1000s of difference. We're talking about 700 words that have different odor different ways of being cited.

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That's it. So the clerk gets to choose us they're going to be medically

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delicate the corrugated tube, the sambhogakaya is going to choose Lucido Hannah Chihuahua is going to choose,

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you know, and so on and so forth.

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Through our search, which is very interesting, you know, this person sort of upon it,

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you know, sort of means stars more than one star, Siraj and monniera means one star. So in one parallel, we have many stars, and that's what we know. Because most interesting, but yes, they get to choose which is going to be is there going to be one word or another word, but these that choice is limited by the accuracy and by the Senate. It's important. It's important.

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Yes, it's important that textual criticism from the Islamic perspective could knock it off. And it cannot always be there some some fool say there's no such thing as textual criticism in Islam there is there is and by the way, it is hard, it is a harmonizing method, the harmonized method is what the triangulated method of the salad number one the narration the chain of narration number two that the the russon the consonant two skeleton and number three words.

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Number three, what you should be covering you should be you should be paying attention. Number three what we said the Rossum always said the Continental scapula, sorry, the southern and we said lohana Yes, go to the Arabic language has to be in line with the Arabic of that day not the Egyptian one or the Iraqi one, or this or that? No, no, it's got to be that the of the day the classical Arabic was that time Southern century, which we have preserved the dictionaries and through poetry's and so on and so forth. So you see, everything has a chain. And the reason why these became the most famous is because they have the most students and because their camera has

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The most robust and authentic chain of narration back to the masala. That's the reason why they became the most famous.

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That's the reason why they became the most famous. You see, but you might be a bit confused thinking I'm not getting the difference between that. And Accra, the difference between the following

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the Acropolis and Catherine. So the question was the difference, therefore, between

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the other differences or the types of differences?

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Yeah, the differences in the variation that can or is a choice, listen, all the choices, listen carefully. FDR call it the choices

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of said master of recitation to incorporate one difference

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from another.

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See, so that's what yellow color is.

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So that's the difference between the afro from the poorer Now, you might not get this, but it's heavy material, I told you already. And you do it. That's why you have to keep referring to your notes and go back to this recording that you're listening to now. You'll get it eventually. It's not something you're meant to get all they don't think I don't understand this and this confusing, and it's confusing. You shouldn't have. But this was all about, you have to go back and listen again. I'm afraid. I love numbers from the lessons. I've never heard this before. I know that

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I know, they would sell bloody hell. What the hell did I get myself into? Why am I even talking about it's much, much, much, much lower these books have I have no access to them? Jay Jay was named Jay Davis, where his name is Jay Smith, who I was.

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You know, he's thinking of all these words, and all these terms of a brother You shouldn't get yourself involved in now with respect. You know, there's enemies of Islam, you know, and this and that addition to thinking is too much more than I thought they have answers actually. Oh, damn.

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And are they thinking that I know that they're eating their hand?

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I know.

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the opinion of a company in Africa has the following effect. We can explain with the opinion of company in Africa.

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Number one,

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that manuscript differences may be because of that.

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Possibly, any differences off Malik any manuscript to give me in the world? That's different from what I'm reading in my Salah. And what I believe is Quran I will tell you, it's conceivable that that could be a half first and a discussion. Don't waste my time. It says I said, What? What anything you give me I'm gonna say it's possible. It's possible that it was abrogated. You gave me an aeration? It's possible it was a half. It was possible it was aggravated these two things. It's possible that it was a half. It's possible, but it was abrogated. How can you have a half text? Well, because according to poverty, we don't need to preserve all seven of the trophy only to

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preserve one. It's not just the public that isn't the same thing.

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Many of the folks that say the same thing, many of them say the same thing

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as the majority of the slap majority opinion so it can mean any manuscript difference and in the whole wide world, shotgun will Harper get me on please tell me something that's different make 1000 videos a million a billion videos, make a write 1000 books and articles peer reviewed ones I'll read them and laugh because you know why? I'll tell you because it could be and this is what I told one person and he agreed with me on Twitter I said you know you're right. It could be expensive that he's not Muslim.

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He's a non Muslim after I don't understand how non Muslims can agree with this and some Muslims can have doubts about I don't get it I don't get how the fact that some most non Muslims you're not even a Muslim you don't believe

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and I'm telling you that okay, there's some manuscript manuscript that yeah, it could be a half

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and then yeah, yeah, it makes sense. That's an inroad is true is intellectually that's fine. But then you have Muslims say I've got doubts. I don't know why this can't be choir has some guts, piano. So being the slave of the orientis

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Some people have been calling me and given me some

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emails, brother, I have thought what counts man? What embarrassment is that one of

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the Orientals you've read if you read the books you'd be you'd be surprised them on all sides and they're against us. You

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Surprise, surprise, some would like to come on oriented. They don't know what

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to tell me now. You find any manuscript in the whole wide world. in the whole wide world. You find me a generation which goes against the

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What does it do for me? Nothing if the heart possibly was abrogated possibly?

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What was the problem? I don't understand why asked us. What kind of man are you anyway?

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What kind of woman are you? What kind of Muslim? Are you?

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What kind of Muslim?

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Let's be honest about a situation, putting down some That one's hearts. And that was mine. This one's so quiet man. This is all in our tradition. We have a we have a chain of narration. Yes, we have a chain of narration that goes back to the prophets. And yes, we believe the Quran is a multi formal text, not a fixed text.

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So yes, we believe in the variants, we believe in the various

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and we believe that they're all from Allah. And we have the textual evidence for that. We believe in the hospital, and we believe in the crops.

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We have a textual criticism. And that's that.

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And that's that.

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So this has a great explanatory this opinion of a 33 has a great explanatory scope, and allows us

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to explain all of the differences within the crops that we had. And we read the Quran with all of the differences that may emerge outside from a manuscript perspective, or from an emotional perspective. tamanna told me now how orientalist has any argument against the Quran, the preservation of Koran.

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Ah, sorry, I just got a bit passionate there.

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Make sure you're taking your notes.

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I'm sure there's a lot of things that you got from that.

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So why do you assume the manuscripts in duration is that like outside of the Koran?

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Why don't you assume that the Astros they may be

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they may not be but they don't have an authentic narration. And if they do, they don't fulfill the condition the triangulated

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condition is not as congested by the way. A Toby also has his conditions.

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That's correct. And other workers don't have that condition. But whatever has the condition if that condition Yes.

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We know we've read the books sorry gang. orientis you have not read anything.

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David, would you have not read the damn thing? What are you reading his wife? Oh, you get your information from me.

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I will teach upon all of you people I know teachers are into this. Well, I hate teachers.

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And you know it. Don't pretend to be a teacher you have nothing on us. You have no you know, nothing. Don't ever Don't ever come and step up to us or like all of you.

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listening to me, I'm shaking. You didn't use the toilet now? I know you do.

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Anyway, all of the major opinions need to show that one half is preserved only one is the fact that we have and this is a very good thing. Well, it's a very good I like I like that I like this thing. Yes, sometimes they have some words to statements and some of this is true. But this one is a good very good paper written by it and is there one

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excellent one

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reads it. It's a fantastic paper.

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The next one

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so we don't need the manuscript. This is the beauty of it all the Quran sutra. The word itself means transmission orally, so we don't need a single manuscript. We don't need a single manuscript to preserve them still. We don't even think of one

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All we need is a chain of narration Now listen, listen carefully. Listen carefully and I want you to listen I know the enemies of Islam are listening to me. Let me take my glasses off let me say my by you if you saw Why look like now believe me a lot of the enemies of Islam would be would be very scared just like a plus was very scared. Many of them would be very scared because you know when we come with the truth in the heart when we come with the truth and the heart and the and all of the details like this, how are we gonna do we're gonna do

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first in the preservation after this gone, because you know what, I went to uni on a postgraduate level and you know, I will have to

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Something yet, I found a textual criticism close to the Bible. And I'll be honest with you, yeah, Old Testament, school text criticism. That was an Angular module. Hello thing down.

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Listen to me. There was an old testament, this was Old Testament text verses.

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And the guy obviously they all knew the languages like most of them, they were kind of weak on them nothing like how the Muslim community is with Arabic. They're kind of weak, like any barely can read the Greek and barely can read the Hebrew.

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And I asked the professor in the class, I'm not I'm not an expert in biblical textual criticism, I have to ask, what is the what is the harmonizing method? Listen carefully. Why often? I asked him, what's the harmonizing method with the Bible? How do you know what goes in the Bible of what comes out of the Bible?

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Listen carefully.

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And write this down comparative religion, right in that underlined,

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harmonizing method, underline it. Now the question is what is the harmonizing method to the Quran mean, you know, now is the triangulated method. You have to have an authentic narration. You have to have Ross mathematically. And you have to have watched the Arabic language, Jeff, all three of these things. If it fits those criteria, or if it's motivated, put into jeopardy. It's for

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now, as for the Bible question,

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what is the I have a question? What is the harmonizing method for the Bible?

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Do they have a chain of narration? I asked the guy, Professor Big Time big shock. No, it's no joke. This guy

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doesn't have a harmonizing method. How do they have a chain of narration does not have to go in line with the language doesn't this doesn't talk to me and I love him. I will never forget what he said to me. He said the Bible, the Old Testament, listen carefully. To all those people out there that Christians How dare talk about preservation actually makes me angry. Listen to what he said. No, a stupid running around the street, speaker's corner talking nonsense. This is a professor at high levels. And this is all over your books. He said the following. He said there is no harmonizing method.

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Wait a minute, what did he say? He said there is no harmonizing. But

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how do you know what goes in the Bible and what comes out of the Bible?

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How do you know what goes in the Bible and what goes out the buyer?

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That's that's really, and it goes to the judgment. Really, you might as well flip a coin. I think Bruce Metzger mentioned this in his book, someone might as well flip a coin, flip a coin to know what goes into what goes and doesn't go in. Sorry. You have no narration, zero narration no chain, actually Jesus or Moses,

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no chain, don't speak to me. Don't speak of Isla. Don't open your mouth about Islam again, or lightly. Don't open your mouth. Don't ever open your mouth, you have no chain going back to either Moses or Jesus, you have no chain of narration and you know it. And a lot of you are losing faith and you shouldn't assume the law or the man or the Christians are on this chart. lose faith, I tell you lose faith is better for you. Because this is a nonsense. You have no chain of narration, no chain. And in fact, the Old Testament he told me my son in front of me said look, we have

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the Dead Sea Scrolls you have. You have the

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texture of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

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And you have the Septuagint. And the Septuagint is not even in Hebrew, my friends. And they say we translated from the Greek into the Hebrew text. It's not It's not even the same language. It's not even the same language as that which Moses spoke. It's a translation

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and you're making that one of the primary sources in your text criticism, or you're comparing with opacity because of the ignorance of the Muslim community and the weakness of the leaders. You're comparing your method of preservation will have cymbala you have deceived themselves deluded.

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Dunning Kruger effect you Joker's you imbeciles, how dare

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you imbecilic individuals

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even in the same language

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and they put it in there, let alone standard and this and that and the Sahaba were gonna beat each other up because they didn't know is this one thing.

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And this Muslim week, Muslims in the West, send me emails like this. I'm using my face and I'm a

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strong believer in the past but you weekly, your weekly

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Because you don't know your tradition, you're sitting there watching Netflix and you don't read the books of Islam. That's why you are where you are. That's why you are where you are in Brazil. It's all false.

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There's no harmonizing method.

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So, today inshallah we should have covered, we should have covered

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the chronology, the history, we should have covered, what is the, what is the camera, and, of course, the primacy of the oral tradition. With that, I leave it for questions. salaam aleikum wa rahmatullah line. Actually, I shouldn't be saying Somalia, I should be saying, Yes, I'll be leaving Africa questions now. So I'm going to be reading some of the questions

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right now. Okay.

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Someone's saying and cinnabar Lake Como que la consola? La you over again?

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Yeah, another person. Why was the 99% of the Quran in the early manuscripts is obvious. The 1% was added was added in, they have 99% of folios. And they don't have 1% of them.

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Why did she if he has a car, they say that there were holes in the standard narrative, he made a mistake by saying that I shouldn't have said this. He was talking to me as if he should like January in that in their in their classroom talking about the kurata views. He told me that he believes in October is when

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he told me that he believes in a topic. He doesn't believe in the current view, we said there's two major views. And he was talking about the holes in the forest view. And we're talking about the holes in it, and just the reviews and so on which I agree the holes in that view. So clearly, the disbelievers they're looking for any words, any formulation of words to destroy Islam. And if the party has something more to say about that, then they'll published, but as far as I know, you know, he's not saying something. He's saying that there's holes in the standard. That's why reading of what he's saying. You see, that's my reading of what he's saying, but it really angers me. Yeah, it

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really angers me that there are some Muslims actually losing faith as some stupid non believers who are enemies of Islam that are using that they are using that as some kind of evidence against Islam. So holla lie on you if not, it must out he said my Canon moqtada inferior fundamental hardness and higher levels, LA Fitness. Whoever wants to follow someone let him follow that who the people who died even massage the same person who just mentioned what the Muslim Quran for the one who's living the fitna has not alleviated for him from that. Meaning Why is everyone so hung up on what happens about it? Sorry if Yeah, and just because you jumped off a cliff, we're gonna jump off a cliff. If

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he has a colleague commit suicide we're gonna commit suicide. If Jani has a cognitive disability that was him, and it's become apostate we're gonna become apostate. And what is your What's wrong with you? And for someone to really well, I, I find it amusing and battling how individuals in the West are so attached to personality what happens if I become this believer? Yeah. And what happens if I change my mind become shy even becomes Yeah, if I become shy, you're gonna become shy. If I become Moody, if I go to like, a week what like, some of these individuals, they really hung up. Yeah. And it's not Yanni. It's our fault. It's our fault that would become celebrity obsessed

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individuals that didn't get into dollars so that people can hang on to my every word and to this and that and realize embarrassing and humiliating.

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There's something assumption, however, that some people have told me, he will have a became a disbeliever for having the disbelievers also because this has become the space haba there are big scholars that became believers x Muslims and apostates. Does that mean when those become x Muslims and apostates? religious switching is a part of human life. I'm not saying it is good offensive that all I'm saying is why is Why are people so hung up on it? Would you respect about what people think? And so what Yes, because there's holes in the standard now that that's what I'm going to say that's what he said.

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He also said I believe 100% preserved That's what he said, for why Remember I said I believe the 100%

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So yeah, I mean, why don't you just hang on to it the most come and leave the motor shop if it comes out with anything other than that, then we're gonna we'll deal with that. But that's I'm sorry. That's what he said publicly. That's all he said publicly. If you bring something else when sending these emails and this is not my business where he sent me his emails and what he meant is decontextualized I'm sorry, I can't comment on that. But that's that Danny tell us you stop being like obsessed celebrity personalities. Would you respect he cares what he said oh, I care so much. Why? Why does it matter what he said to be honest, go to respect.

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Does this work?

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will be given those other Can you tell us a copy

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your opinion.

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He says he believes in Apple

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recovery. That's what he says, Well, I just mentioned three is what he believes in. He says he believes in that. Now, whether he's true to that or not, is something that if he published anything in the future we can look at academically. But that's what he says. He says, there's holes in the narrative of the Quran is my understanding, or even just any of

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it a bit of Yanni. But a lot of

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how many authentic narrations of the Quran out there, including technical art? Well, look, this is That's it? That's it? That's a very complicated question. I don't understand what it means. Because there's you got the third, three ways. So what level are we talking about? Are we talking about the level of the level of turbine we're talking about? Whatever? The question is? I don't know. And that's the question that is the golden question, to be honest, how many are there? And that's what this difference of opinion. And there are many books that were written at the time of the turbine turbine about this question about how many cars are probably in South Africa? Which Which one?

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Because he his whole book is Compendium was lost? So the question is difficult to answer. With all due respect, it's difficult to answer I can't give you enough.

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Did did is use even multiples half?

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I don't know I don't know where you're getting that from, I have to offer some of the method because I'm not as a Christian as if they use his crop. But the question is Ashlynn, and Derek is wider than that. Some people would read like in Kufa and this someplace with us harmonica is true. Like I mentioned this, and they used to read with Santa Claus, that will attribute it to Sahaba. So that at the level of a tabula in before the Quran came to play, they wouldn't obviously, they wouldn't be saying I read with Clyde Hassan Arthur, because

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these guys went around yet. So they were, they weren't teachers yet. So they will be reading at the level of or the names of this, they will take, for example, have an armature they will this is the heart of this person or that person. So what the only half is used to have to go and do research for that. I don't know.

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Yeah, someone's mentioned in the manuscript.

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Sorry, when would the fact I've had has customers demos and supplements added?

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So yeah, so I'll leave Natalia appointed early, to put them in that's that's the standard opinion. That's that's what it is. But obviously, there was other kinds of when we talk about dots, we have to be careful because though, there's all kinds of material. Now this just on dots, we're talking about the dots that you check kilkelly. Man, we're talking about the dots that make the difference between the tat and yeah, and fat and so on. And so these dots are talking about the red dots that tell us the one that demarcate one area from the next area, and so on and so forth. These are all different questions. But if we're talking about the ones that make the Calumet, then and the

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oily, so this was quite early on.

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But different dots have different times and this is different. This is if you're going into manuscript analysis is different. But yeah, the reason why the dots were not there in the first place, what you call Hey, Kelly, Kelly, Matt, well, it just came up so that the Kelly mat or the Continental skeleton of that, that word, the lexical phrase, would would facilitate more than one reading, because as we said, it's multi formal. So there's some words like Malik Malik, nowadays, if you look at the most of you open up is something called the Elephant Sanctuary. So this you got Melaka spoke mean lamb calf, but then you have an any Candelaria, which is like a dagger dagger,

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Elif in the middle, which is symbolic of that facilitation. So it's one lexical phrase, which has the ability to, to indicate both reading was a beautiful, amazing life. So amazing how they made this, how this habit what and why they're genius. They're geniuses. And when you put the massage together, he actually had this one, by the way, is the one who say most of mine, it's not just one massage is more than one, some say 712-312-3412, Medina, one, two, and so on and so forth. One two, behind one to displace the center. And when he sent he sent it with people to read it out, which is very, very important because you know, when we let me give you one example, when we say the word

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London, how do we read the word London? If you go to Cambridge London's dictionary, it will tell you there's a schwa called a schwa. These kind of learner symbols is completely different, but how do we Why do we not use the word or read the word London loan don't. The reason why we don't read it phonetically, as it's spelled like the grapheme doesn't associate particularly finally with the sound is because

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The reason why that's the case is because

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is because someone's talk to us like that this is simply human people, individuals have taught London to us. And that's how it sounds, which shows us it's not just as law This is an ancient way of dealing with language. No, this is the contemporary way of dealing with language. And this is the only way of dealing with language. Why do you read it polish and not polish and polish and Polish homographs and homonyms and all of these? Why do they operate in that manner because of context and human communication? So Othman laughs and to indicate his seriousness, when it came to the presentation of what he sent the most hardcore he also sent a person to read with the most half.

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It's like and if you want to put it in modern parlance, taking someone giving them a book, and then giving them like a, you know, a cassette, or a video or a video to listen to how it sounds as well. This is the highest level of project Tell me what are the ancient document of that time that has that kind of level of it? Tell me what I want to know. Give me a name. What the Septuagint the Masoretic text. Are you joking?

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the Septuagint translation transmission, please, man, please. Well, like the Christians, it actually makes me physically angry, physically angry that they're comparing their method of preservation without makes me physically angry. How dare you?

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How, and then when they call this a, you know, I'm just being honest. Yeah, we have text criticism. You don't have to take it. We do have.

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We have not yet. We have a harmonizing method. You don't have enough? No, sir.

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Well, we haven't calculated the 116th of the Quran did you change his mind?

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Once again,

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all of those individuals who ever said there was anything more or less than the cannon, either they changed their mind, or they didn't believe in that in the first place.

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Or they didn't believe in that in the first place. And those two additional data that were read by a wave and cap was reading he didn't believe was part of the plan. That was Dr. pollute when you read it when you're, you do note and stuff. Why would you think that he thinks that that's part of the plan. And if he did, he had to change his mind. Because his si need also have only 114 service. He had to change his mind economy. All of his complaint is all of his cook, Yana compatriots are reciting one way and he's gonna No no, sorry. Again, this is not even about this is about so on. So it's there's no there's no magetta that for Tinder for for that stuff. The problem is, as Alan said

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that there are seven right now he said the seven national

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he didn't say the no seven cannot. He said on Zillow, Quran Allah sobre it a hydro fin. He didn't say

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karate, is his own zero Quran, Allah salvati rufen don't confuse the clock enough. They're two different things, they're separate things that can art are different from the house. Yes, they cannot incorporate the artwork, the actual do not incorporate the craft. That's how it is. The arts are the difference the difference that cannot or that of the difference is in the cloud wherever they may be. That's what it is. Even if we take the top of this view, even if we take the top of the tree the differences across either Now

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my question is how can Oman both belong to the same tribe and have different dialects because both of these are high level Listen, this is a very I don't expect this interrogation some of this is mentioned in the classical books. And they say well ancient hacking is quality and on top is scholarship How could they be reading in different ways? But they will not any sorry I'm gonna hop was made the top

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people in the in the whole community

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do not think the programs are solid is going to teach Amara and Sharon Hakeem at a dialect which is outside of his tribe is he armor was not one of the ignorant ones he can take. Yeah, he can take learning. Yeah, a camera which is not from his diet. What's the problem? He doesn't require TCM is what I'm saying. There are some people that require tastier ease and he was not he didn't fit that category. If you look at a hadith that says that people that reply to a series with the weak ones, the old ones that little ones, the old ones, the weak ones, the shoe of the ship, and finally the last Metallica tab I don't even read.

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So tasty. It didn't feature for him. It didn't require he didn't require tasting so why would the Prophet make it easy for him and his work? It's like you're giving him a slice of this going for bodybuilders and how comes you You gave him 80 kilograms to do by Christmas because he can handle

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you can handle 80

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100 120

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So why does he require the facilitation? Just because they're from the same tribe doesn't mean this. So clearly that's not I don't know, it's not the best term

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was the best book on karate that you recommend in English. I don't know about books to be honest in English haven't read too many of them by an Arabic this tie a tie was a national holiday more than the ribbon cutting of poverty.

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And these two will give you a good grounding, because we've just covered that today. So if you read those two, then you'll be okay. In terms of the English language go to that will light is actually one of the best things I've read in the UK in that thing by Amazon is actually one of the best things in English, I'd rather have that much in English. And it's 40 pages and it will give you an overview of some of the main opinions 40 pages is very good. So go to

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the something that confuses me if Alterna cannot follow the automatic code, how come there are added letters and words in the ration of water? such as such as

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data data? Oh, yeah. Attachment, mean tactile, tactile, or how the word sorry, what's that? and so on? Yeah, I guess you because that when we say the automatic text is that there's more than one most so saw a man love fan he had one month halfway with Saudi Arabia.

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And he had another month, how much half was was that do? You see? So when we say the automatic text, we're talking about all of the Messiah, which sometimes you can have the add on sign even in the Hakan of the Kelly man, even though the camera person, but usually it will be like mentality. And so, you know, tell them, and it's actually another swap. So the men and women and well, and that well, and so on, which as I say it doesn't really make a difference to the narrative. But yeah, because when we say, automatic massage, if we're talking about the that which half man endorsed. And once again, we don't require this because now it's preserved to the craft. So the automatic script

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is reserved is preserved through our own people will teach it to other people. And the call, the call was preserved through our room as well through the camera.

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So this is hopefully that you understand that?

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According to Timothy Keller, there is an academic research into the early compiling and decline is just rather not. How can we be sure that manuscripts were not burned because they were versus bothered the companions? Well, they'd have to be in a massive tacit collusion for that to happen. So both of the components, there's been a massive tacit collusion. And remember, at this time, there were companions that were actually in conflict of interest with one another, the companions were not monitored. And this shows we still have Sahaba has drama as well. And drama is it avoids, stop some of the people from saying these things because I saw one on one plane, some Sahaba had different

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interesting habits have a big group. So sometimes they laugh, thought, which is it stops you from saying that they colluded on everything, a lot Allah.

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In addition,

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always a matter of time. Does it matter?

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In five minutes,

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or 20 minutes ago, also, Pamela? Okay, I'll answer three more questions as they come. Regarding the different medallions. We are supposed to respect one of them's on folio. karasuma. Yes. In line with Arabic language. Yes. Where can we rewatch it?

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Sapiens is judo. J. Smith.

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Abdullah, a handler for tabari. And majority of Oklahoma, if one have actually preserved can it be the age of the crowd has chosen something else for one word, that there is a way it was forgotten? Is this true? Or has

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or have always have readings always been preserved? This is the this is the debate. There's some words which we're sorry, some shared parrots which are not preserved now and not being read. But the ones that we're reading are the ones which represent. So yeah, this is what the idea that there was no textual criticism in the early I mean, the Christians only do Textual Criticism now 6000 years later, we've been doing Jefferson validates this difference between us and them. They're so happy with their sexual person they did it in the wrong time. The 2000 years post date we're doing we did it 100 years after

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one one year they start doing tissue versus muscle like that's when you should we should do text prison. Multi 1000 years after the day.

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How many manuscripts so far have been found that goes against arson? So according to Mohammed pasta, which I found this in them

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a Queen's paper chest up is 19 words or 19 Naughton? Yeah, with a something Hadith

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maps are so hopefully this should come down. subpanel Ah, yes, I should come down with sometimes, you know, get passionate those who doubt I've never had a relationship with God. It was a

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bit scary though. Actually, if people with their doubts when being Muslim you should react more calmly fair enough. someone's getting excited.

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No, no. But to be honest with this whole people voicing their doubts I'm sorry about that some of how it was dramatized. And I can tell you from experience, like when you see someone like that kind of whimpering, embarrassed of the week, the only way is to shock them. You know, if you saw your,

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your hygienist

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slip out of it.

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There's all kinds of questions about orientalist.

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I'm trying to get a good question.

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Yeah, someone's asking about the method that was required that each person in the beginning in the early days needed to Sahaba in order for the for the

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each ad to be confirmed. Just true.

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No, the heart has no specific way of reading the whole Quran. It's a specific way of reading one word, one word.

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Yeah, that's not the whole crowns. It's one word. So it's a difference in one word, according to the type of diseases difference of one in one word rather than over

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is saying that the country has not changed. Even a single word

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has not changed. Why hasn't changed? Why do you think that's the wrong thing to say? How has it changed is how the corrupted nothing's been added to it. And nothing has been taken from it from the wall. The authorial intent is that we don't believe in corruption sorry to say corruption is the authorial intent a lie intended just to be wrapped in the praise of the Muslims and to and to be ad Muslim? This is what's going to be with the Muslims and that's it that's what's required

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and that's it we don't believe in the corruption that

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some some are saying yes totally understandable passion brother. Some people need to wake up and educate themselves and others need to shut up. This is more I believe you're right and sister see I'm not gonna lie I think this is just us on the hack.

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Anyways, with that, guys, I think I need to pray a prayer. Okay, and

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guys, I know I do. I'll be honest with you I see if you're paying attention and if the attendees are leaving if I do I start moving a bit checking the tree a bit because sometimes I feel like you're not paying attention but hopefully you guys go back on this webinar even if I'm showering or something you know, or be speaking passionately and just read through your notes. And if you understand the good no one can joke with you or no can play with the bleeding because anyone asks you now how can you sprint is very hot. Have you seen that very tough. Have you finishes have, have experienced manuscripts have happened that you possibly have. Basically, it's gonna it's gonna you

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can jab them to death with with with this, and just I can laugh I know Salaam Alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh