Lame Excuses or Genuine Claims_ a Response to Cosmic Atheist

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So welcome, guys. How are you guys doing? Alright, so this young man has accused me of misquoting him. And I thought, it's fair enough for me to actually see what he's talking about. Because misrepresentation obviously,

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is not fair practice. It's not from the Islamic morals. And he's claimed he's made a very blunt claim that I've

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misrepresented him. And so therefore, it needs to be checked. What is he talking about? And thankfully enough, he's lifted, as you can see timestamps, because he's made a very long video. And just to remind you guys, this, this debate that he's commentating on took place a year ago. Okay, so obviously, I've had to dig up very quickly here on my phone,

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using this app, some of these quotations, so let's see what he has to say.

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Sorry, sorry. Let's go back. Where is it? He says, misquoting me. So let's see might be. Anyway, let's take a look at Mohammed, his jobs opening statement. And we'll break it down and see where things went a bit wrong.

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Today, thank you very much for coming. It's first day of Ramadan for us. And we're happy to have you.

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Come in Abdullah, actually, we've come here through a few magic. Wait a minute, what did you say? You say that one more time. We've come here to refute magic. It's actually a an interesting magic trick where there is no bunny.

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There is no hat. And in fact, there's no magician at all. It's the proposition that something can come from nothing, not only from nothing, ladies and gentlemen, but from nothing. And by nothing. Now, it's hard to clearly make out under the sundress laughter that resulted from Mohammed headshops. Brilliant joke, but I think what he's saying is that an atheist in this debate is making a claim that something came from nothing, which of course,

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I haven't made that claim.

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Someone said that I just made the point, that this is a proposition. So I haven't said anyone said that. So just just be clear of what you're trying to communicate. so far. There's nothing there's nothing there's no most quotation. Yeah, it's not the case. I was countering their claim rather than making a claim of my own. But that's something that will come up in the later section. So Brian says,

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Hi, Leo horn holla furusawa. Chill out. By law you can own what they created from nothing. Over they themselves the creators of themselves. Now we've heard Alex today. For the second time I've heard him say this, he says that the universe may have come into existence from nothing. minify so so I said for the we've heard Alex today. Yeah. today. Yes. And then, which is what he's taking issue with here, this particular quotation, I then quote a thing that Alex says, and with a timestamp, so let's see what I quote and see what he actually said down on Team 15. In his video, does the universe have a cause? It says when the universe came into existence, it well and truly came into

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existence from nothing. Now wait a minute, ladies and gentlemen.

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I have challenged that's an active claim. He said I'm not here to make any active claims. Sorry. That is an active claim. A whole Mohammed a job you have just embarrassed. Okay, man, this is a bit look. I mean, you're getting a bit overexcited here. But before we get overexcited, can you tell me? what's what's the excitement all about? yourself? beyond measure I'm about to demonstrate to you by just by showing the clip that you just cited that you are either completely deaf, or completely dishonest. I don't know which it is. But I cannot believe you actually just said that. You're I think this is a false dichotomy. But anyways, let's see what you have to say. absolutely going to

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love that as well. You might hate it, but you know what I mean? Let's just listen again to the claim that Mohammed His job is making make sure you understand it. Before I show.

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Before I show his laughter my friend, please listen, let's be civil about this. Go ahead and show a clip God and wrong here, minute 14 to 15. In his video, does the universe have a cause? It says when the universe came into existence, it well and truly came into existence from nothing. Okay, so in my video, I say that when the universe began to exist, it began to exist out of nothing. But that's a claim the universe began to exist out of nothing. That's a claim an active claim I'm making that I have to defend now, Mohammed kind of presses the point just a little bit, that this is a claim that I'm going to have to prove and defend let's let's take a listen to that too. Now, wait a minute.

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Ladies and gentlemen.

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I have challenged that's an active claim. He said I'm not here to make any active claims. Sorry. That is an active claim. Look at the syntax of that particular sentence. You're saying the university

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came into existence from nothing. Don't Don't pretend to be passive. Oh, I don't know. No, you do know you're making a statement. Either. You know what you're saying we don't tell me how the universe came into existence from nothing. I'm buying nothing ex nihilo. I want to know. Tell me how that's possible. metaphysically ontologically cosmologically from first principles, give me the answer please Can beginning to get the impression that Mohammed his job wants me to justify my claim that the universe began to exist out of nothing. Okay. slight problem with that. I never said that. Mohammed, he sharp has quoted me quoting someone else's belief.

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There's two things I said. This is the second time we've heard it today. The first time was in your opening statement, he says, doesn't matter in the universe. But the fact of the matter is, we have no experience with nothing. And so to say something can't come from nothing is an unjustifiable thing. To say something can't come from nothing is an unjustifiable claim, which means to say that it's conceivable in his mind that something can come from nothing. I just find this very odd. I find it so weird. That he's he's saying he's, he's claiming I'm misrepresenting his claim. This is clearly saying,

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practically saying it's conceivable that something that could come from traffic, tell me how that's a passive claim. Please tell me that. It's a passive claim. Tell me how that's not active. Tell me how that's not you making a statement of knowledge. Come on, man. Stop whining, stop complaining, just you can change your mind. You can say, you know what, the argument was strong enough for me to change my mind on the issue. But please, don't pretend that you are not seeing this from the beginning. Please don't pretend don't act, don't pretend that you will actually saying it's conceivable that the universe will something can come from nothing. In this in this quote, listen to

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the next bit, we never had any nothing to try it with. In fact, the only time there was nothing if there was nothing ever at all, must have been before the universe was created.

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This is the only time there was nothing if there was nothing at all, was when the universe was created. Listen to the language is using using the word created. Wow, that's religious language that boy created the no creator. Created By whom? By by what? By? You know, how is it created? Oh, possibly by nothing. So you see, that is your that is your claim. You're making it very clear for us. You said on the day, there'll be misrepresented. See? And this is the only way Yeah, you're you're, you're trying to weasel out of it, trying to squirm your way out of the reality. He's misrepresenting misquoting me this and that. But you said it on the day, you said on the day? Yeah.

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Don't pretend that you know, this was not your position, your position was that clearly, it was conceivable for you that something could come from nothing. So the question of the current and wholly humanoid shape where they created from nothing, you're saying possibly at shrugging your shoulders, and now you realize how embarrassing you are to to go against the chronic argument is a chronic argument, you know, how embarrassing it was to go against it. So, but let's see, this particular timestamp preference, which you're going to give us now putting the quoting a belief that I don't agree with, and it's claiming that I was making that claim. Okay, I'm going to prove this to

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you by simply finding the quote that he provided and demonstrating to you what's happened here. So let's just find the quote, minute 14 to 15. In his video, does the universe have a cause? This is where the universe came into existence. It when truly came into existence from nothing, okay, here we are. So let me just play this now. Firstly, of course, we have the universe when the universe came into existence, it truly did come into existence out of nothing, okay, because for the universe to be born, if there was something before it, then that would be encompassed by the universe. So this did truly begin to exist out of nothing. Ah, interesting. Seems like I said it when the

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universe began to exist, it truly came into existence out of nothing. Wow, Mohammed, his job is really owned me there. Except No, he hasn't. Because let's just go a few minutes earlier in this very same video, because any follower of my channel will know that I don't make that claim. I don't say that the universe began to exist out of nothing. So why did I say it there? Well, let's go back and find out in this talk that I'm giving. I'm talking about the Kalam cosmological argument, which is an argument with two premises. The first premise is that everything which begins to exist has a cause. The second premise is that the universe the gap, listen, first of all, there's no I've

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written a book called Kalam cosmological arguments. There's a mistake many people like yourself make. It's there's not one Kalam cosmological argument. There are many Kalam cosmological arguments, the motor kalamoon were

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You know, theologians you can say systematic theologians, and they worked on first principles. And as early this is Charlie, he wrote this in his book called and left this out for the heart. Obviously, it was popularized by William Lane Craig. But this is only one of his arguments that he mentioned in that book.

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Which is not even translated into English. So you must have gotten it from William Lane Craig, because he's the one who popularized it or someone like him from the philosophies of religion. So it's not one Kalam cosmological argument, there's many I will have, it all has early mentions this one in South Florida followed by but he also mentions many other ones actually, in a to have he have the philosopher, the incoherence of the philosophers. So please, don't make it as if you're educating anyone, you're still an undergraduate. You know, you're still learning, okay, with all due respect. And this, you don't even have access to the these books in the original language. So have

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some intellectual humility, there's not one Kalam cosmological argument, you can refer to my own books called Kalam cosmological arguments. I can give it to you free of charge, if you want, just so you can see what I'm talking about and to exist, and the conclusion is that the universe has a cause. Notice that the second premise there that the universe began to exist. That's the second premise of the column. That's the claim that Mohammed his Rob says I made and have to defend. So let's take a look at what I actually say about these premises. The parentheses. I didn't say this. I didn't say anything like that you're lying. Because what I just said, what you've shown us is that I

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said that you said that the universe may have come from nothing. I didn't say anything about that. You said the Kalam cosmological argument, second premise that you have that you've said that and you have to defend that. So now you're misrepresenting me unless you can find somewhere where I've said you have to defend the second premise of the Kalam cosmological argument. So you're not very accurate with what you're saying. Most people when they see this, and they're trying to debunk it, they jump straight to the second premise that seems the easiest to debunk. The reason being is you can simply ask, Well, how do you know? How do you know that the universe began to exist? Now, to be

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sure, the Big Bang happened? Okay, we're pretty certain of it at this point. But the big bang never claimed to be the beginning of everything. Okay. So here's our first indication that something's gone wrong. I'm arguing that actually, that premise that the universe began to exist can't be substantiated. Even if we agree that the Big Bang happened. You can't say that that was the beginning of everything, the beginning of the universe with the capital you. Okay, so maybe I'm not making that claim. But why did I say it later in the video, then? Why did I say it such that Mohammed his yaku, quote, well, let's continue. What we could do is say, Well, you can't prove that

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this is the case. So the arguments flawed is debunked. And we can all go home. But that would be no fun. And so I don't want to focus on premise two, we're going to give the theist the the benefit of the doubt here, and instead talk about premise one, whatever begins to exist has a cause we're gonna give the theist the benefit of the doubt. In other words, I think that this premise that the universe began to exist isn't true. But I'm willing to grant it for the sake of argument. Okay, because that's not what I was calling. It was a nice try. But this is what I was referencing right here.

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This is what he said. And the reason is, because there's an even more glaring issue that staring us right in the face that I ignored for so long until somebody showed it to me, and I thought, Oh, my God, no, it's the amount of pronouns he's talking about himself. He's not quoting anybody else. How didn't I think of that before, and I said, My God, because Old habits die hard.

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Which means is, it's an intuitive thing to believe in God, just like you believe in that you get scared of hell sometimes. which you've said in a video of yours, I can get you the core.

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The problem is, in the first premise, again, whatever begins to exist has a cause. Now, people don't spend enough time just thinking about what this implies.

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When have you ever seen anything begin to exist?

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Well, I made little list, examples of things that have been created out of nothing. That's what that means. Firstly, of course, we have the universe when the universe, wait a minute.

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Wait a minute. You just said, Now, if you said I made a little list, you said, I didn't say this person or that person? No, no, you said I, you said I made the little list examples of things that were created out of nothing. And then you put the first thing the universe. So it's clear, your position is that the universe was created out of nothing. And you did say that, and this was a fair reference. And if you look at the timestamp, it's minute. 14.24. So what what's wrong with what I said flow into existence, it truly did come into existence out of nothing. You're saying that when the universe came into existence, it truly did come into existence out of nothing. This is not me

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quoting you quote, someone else.

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This is clearly you saying this yourself, you are saying that the universe came into existence out of nothing. You have said that and you cannot you realize how ridiculous it is. So you're trying your best to weasel your way out of this. But this is what you said. You're saying I miss quoted you. But this is not miss quotation. Unfortunately. Yeah, this is not miss quotation. So this is the reality of the situation there. Was your was your thing exposed? I don't think there's much exposure going on it. I think kind of To be honest, with all due respect to kind of embarrassing yourself here. But let's see, it says misquoting me. Yeah. You see that? We dealt with that now. So clearly,

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it wasn't a mis quotation. It clearly it was in its place. It was it was a correct quotation.

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So let's take a look. He's telling me that I'm misusing a logical necessity will make sense. Okay. So here's the question that demonstrates that we're not talking about the same thing here. If P entails Q, is necessary, is q necessary? No. It's not. No. I mean, this, this appears not just to be us kind of having a different definition. But Mohammed his job not understanding what necessity means. It let's just think about this question that I just asked. I said, If P entails Q, and p is necessary, is q also necessary? In other words, if p necessarily exists, if it has to happen, right, if there's no way that it could not happen? equivocation here, this is the fallacy of equivocation.

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Yeah. Because you're saying necessarily exists. And my definition of necessity throughout the debate was not all necessarily exists, is that it is the necessary existence. So no, and it's a subtle difference. Yeah. So necessarily exists, no, this thing is the necessary existence. The problem of saying using the language of propositional logic and statement logic,

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P equals Q is that it's not actually befitting language. And I'll tell you why. Because P is differentiated from Q. So from what I'm understanding from what you're saying here, when you said that, there's what I understood, you're saying that you're saying basically, that if p is the necessary existence that entails Q, which is another necessary existence?

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So you you see the idea, but then that'll be t in propositional enseignement logic that will be tautology. So this is what you're saying doesn't actually make any sense at all.

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And if P then Q, if that statement is true, if peas existence entails Q's existence, is q also necessary, right? And Mohammed, his job says, No, he says that somehow, you can have a thing that is necessarily true, that has to be true, that makes something else true. And yet the second thing could be false. He says, This is what he says, I says, He says, something isn't necessarily true, and it makes something else true. And that thing is necessarily false. So give me the quotation when I said that, because I can't remember saying that in the debate. I can't remember publishing that in any of my books. I can't remember saying that at all. So you see, you're crying about

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misrepresentation. And you're basically saying things I never said. You said, I said, and then you said, you said something completely. Something I've never you'll never find that on the public record. Yeah.

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Right. You want to talk about logical contradictions, Mohammed his job, this is one of the most basic that there is to say that something is necessarily true is to say that it is true in all conditions under all interpretations in a truth table, logically speaking to say that it cannot be false. In other words, so consider this question, right? p entails q and p is necessarily true. That means that you're able to say that it's true that P and it's true. When I use the word necessary. What he's using the word necessary.

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I'm talking about the necessary being, he's saying if p entails q Yeah. And this is in by the way, a statement logical is called material implication. Yeah, some differentiate between implication entailment some logicians differentiate between implication and entailment ultimate truth tables man, if then what if then,

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if x then y, or sorry, if p, then Q, clear? equivocation is quite an equivocation. You're using the word necessary. Yeah, in a way that has not been used for the debate has not been used, and then you define it somewhere in your video as a causal chain or something like that. But who defines it like that? Or would you respect give me a paper of someone who defines necessity as a causal chain? Who who defines it like that? you've you've made up your own definition of necessity, and then you equivocate it into the discourse. I made it very clear and necessary existence is an uncaused. A thing that could not be

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Any other way? That's how all of the philosophers of religion, all of the logicians have defined it. Yeah. I think that could not be any other way. Yeah, it could mean, and you're equivocating it to me, in the modal sense that it follows from basically. So it necessarily follows from but no one's using in that sense, bro. So yeah, you're definitely equivocating. Or you're trying to create something from nothing? And let's say, let's say for the sake of argument, let's say it was a contradiction. A secondary to myself. Yeah. So for sake of argument, no problem. How does that affect my argument? How does p q? How does that affect my argument, affect my argument, you're going

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you're clutching at straws? That you can't, number one, you can't refute the argument. And number two, you can't admit

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defeat on these matters. Alright, so let's go for this man.

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48. He says, just listen to this. Prepare yourselves. It's another quote. Okay, so we've already dealt with your previous one. And we've showed you how you actually did say what you said you didn't say, yeah. He agrees with the radio guy that was speaking to him. that the universe is a necessary existence. Okay. So I'm saying that you agree with the radio man, that the universe is a is a is a necessary existence? Whoa, wait a minute. Wait a minute. What's going on here? Listen, gentlemen, I think you the audience should know by now what's going on here. I actually only just noticed. Because to be honest, you've been disproved once already. You not only that, you're just you're not

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even meticulous enough to know your own quotations. And that's what happens when young boys go into YouTube awards respect. And I'm not saying that to try and demean you. I think you're a very intelligent man as well. Yeah. But when you're young boy coming out at like, 18 or 17, or something like that, and you're making mistakes, and you can't ever man up and say, Okay, well, actually, I can't even defend this position anymore. Then you're gonna make mistakes like this. Stop being smug. Yeah. And start acting right? This but you can actually see me smoking, smiling, as he's saying this, look, watch this clip. The universe is a necessary existence. Why a minute? Wait a minute.

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What's going on here, ladies and gentlemen, you can see the face of the realization in a man that

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someone has completely misunderstood what he's saying it's, it's kind of a secondhand embarrassment that you're seeing on my face that you can see in my face that I'm not just doing this after the fact. I'm not just going back and saying no, no, no, no, this is what I meant. This is what I'm saying. I knew at the time that Mohammed hijab was misquoting me. Muhammad hijab quoted me at minute 48 of my debate with Cameron Bertuzzi on the unbelievable show. So let's go find the quote, again, a minute 48. Let's, let's watch this together. I'm just going to say, yeah, the university can be can be that, do you see how that objection kind of riddles itself into the very first premise? Because

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if I'm going to deny the existence of contingent objects, as Cameron has defined them, then that kind of means that the universe and everything in it is necessary, in a sense, who wait a minute, why

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does that let's go to my one.

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If you're gonna say, I've got a special thing, God that doesn't require a cause for its explanation, an explanation for its existence and so on? Well, I'm just going to say, Yeah, my the university I can be can be that, do you see how that objection kind of riddles itself into the very first premise, because if I'm going to deny the existence of contingent objects, as Cameron has defined them, then that kind of means that the universe and everything in it is necessary, in a sense, and that would be enough, because if the whole reason that you need this necessary being that you're calling God, to explain the universe is because everything in the universe is contingent, then or at

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least some things in the universe are contingent, then if the premise the first premise is false, and there aren't, in fact, contingent things in the universe, then that means the universe itself is necessary, and therefore, there's no need for this extra explanation. So I think I do agree with that objection that I think it needs arises at the very beginning of the argument. Right? Wait, wait. He's saying, Please be very attentive.

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He Thank you. He does agree with it. He's saying I do agree with that objection, ie, the russellian. Objection, Bertrand Russell's objection, which is that the universe just is the universe is itself the

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What do you call it the necessary existence? So what's,

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what's going on here, ladies and gentlemen, what is necessary existence meaning unnecessary or unnecessary fact is a fact that cannot be any other way. Two plus two equals four. That's eternally going to be the case. So unnecessary existence is eternal.

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It cannot be any other way. So wait a minute, if the universe is eternal,

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how can it come from nothing? contradiction, okay, we're gonna have to break this down and get a bit philosophical kind of, I suppose right now. Okay.

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Let's do that. But before you do that, how is that in this quotation bro? Because you've accused me of misquoting you. You said he misquote me again. All I said was that you said

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that the universe does is a necessary existence. Now, the thing is, you're accusing me of misquoting you. Yeah. You're accusing me of misquoting you. And what I've shown here is in fact, all of my quotations have been correct. But from what I remember

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Yeah, follow Faisal Chaudhary. He's cool. This is my Instagram. So I look like when I was your age, bro. Can you see that?

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See that big muscles? Do you see them? Just that? Yeah, I was about what? 15 years old and I'm only joking.

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This is me and you and the debate bro? Su and let's meet at a line back. I'm only joking. All right. So and this is the this is where you're going to be in sha Allah, you know?

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supporting soon. And you're going to be on the podium land and doing Tao of us Bravo. You're

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if you're if you're a good boy, and Sharla and things don't get out of hand. We don't sort of thing.

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Just looking at my, my Instagram is a bit funny.

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Okay, so

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you don't want to be like this, man. Trust me. Now that what I'm trying to what I'm trying to find is okay. Okay. It's because I put this here. I put this you want to buy this book is good one now, Mohamed Osman book are good.

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Yes, hear

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what I said. And he was like, so you've got two choices. You either have to you have to retract what you want to have to read. You don't have to, like accept Islam or face public humiliation and

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which completely negates racism. Look at chapter 49 verse 20, don't

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look at the Prophet said there's no virtue of a black man of a white man.

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Now he's got three options. Option one is retract the statement. Option two. Yes, option two, to provide the evidence option three face public humiliation today. And there's no option. So don't make.

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So I didn't say you bro. You said I have two options. One of them was to accept Islam or to face public humiliation and what we saw there. You know what I mean? Is that that's not true that I don't I have not said that you've got two options. One of them is to accept Islam, or the other one is to face public humiliation. So that's, this is basically on my phone. Just you know what I mean?

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If you want to kind of like see what I do.

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Yeah. So yeah, I mean, so listen, Alex. So Nice try. I understand how you feel. It's been a year. And you've been kind of probably bombarded with all kinds of people coming to you and saying to you that that you didn't do too well, in that particular debate and whatever. Look, I'm not trying to forget it, man. Don't worry. You know, you made your mistakes. You learn for next time, but let's be sincere.

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And you know what I mean, bro, let's be sincere. It's been 22 minutes. I don't know if there's anything else. There's, let's see if there's anything else that that you said or that I need to counter?

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Yeah. See what your main points were. All right. So you said improper crediting.

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The first thing to note is that Mohammed hedgehogs version of this video is titled Islam versus atheism, Oxford University debate. This debate was not hosted by Oxford University, as it says in the event description. This was hosted by the Oxford forum, which is a student run society, which is part of the university, isn't it? You can't have a student

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unless it's okay, fair enough. But I take your point, I did actually change that. So I've got now Oxford forum.

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What else you got a problem. I know, the organizers of the debate. They put in a lot of effort to try and get this to come to pass. And when they did, they got absolutely no credit for it. And Okay, fair enough. You know, I apologize for advertising for the ad for those guys. And if they asked me to I would have, by the way, and they didn't. Patrick did not ask me if they would have I would have and I think I did, to some extent by mentioning works for him, but maybe you're right. I could have done a better job doing that. I don't think there's anything substantial. substantial.

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your microphone cutting out my microphone.

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Well, my friend, you know, I was not in control of the microphones

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misquoted me. So we done the Miss quotation just

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Is there any other proven wrong by audience member?

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Yeah, I remember this i by the way i This was on on the issue of this the title of

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john john Stuart Mill's book. And you are right. You are right. And I was wrong on that. And I've already I think I admitted that on the actual

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Yes, I've written you a nice thing.

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Yeah, I've written you a nice thing here. So edited footage. When when I was reading the Quran, they were disturbing me. And for us as Muslims, you can't, you know, be something reading over the Quran. So I found that disrespectful because in the beginning, we said conclusions five minutes. And I was gonna recite what I learned and the guy was disturbing me within my Quranic recitation. So I just recorded the Arabic again. So that's not there's nothing there controlling comments. Yeah, this is a big thing, actually. So I should have written here in my comment to you, bro. I've written this video was hold control review. And the admins that have control of my channel allowed to comments

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they wanted to and didn't approve, insulting comments which insulted Islam, the religion of Islam, etc.

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So I'm not gonna I didn't have an agreement with you, though, I'm going to have all the comments going. And as you know, YouTube allows us to delete comments, as well as the advantage of being an admin isn't of having your own channel. So I don't know what the issue is here. If I had an agreement with you, because islamically we have an agreement with you, then yeah, I get it, you know, if I went against the agreement, but I don't have an agreement of view that just let all the insulting comments and all these things. So I don't see what the issue is here, bro. You know, if you if you made that agreement with me beforehand, or let all the comments go through and I agreed

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with that. And I went against that agreement, then I would say that's morally questionable from my standpoint, but I didn't have such an agreement with you. So I don't see that as morally questionable.

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You say hey, misuses logical necessity. So I don't know what you mean here. should we choose? See what he's saying? So these two minutes, okay. But let me ask you questions later, but it will make sense. Go ahead. Okay. So here's the question that demonstrates that we're not talking about the same thing here. If P entails Q, go it is necessary. Yes. Is q necessary? No. It's not. No. I mean, this, this P is not just to be us kind of having a difficulty. This is this is this is not really, this is not really

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anything worthy of reply at this point in time, because I want to keep this all separate from each other. Let's see the misquoting

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me 48. He says, just listen to this. Prepare yourselves. It's another quote. He agrees with the radio guy that was speaking to me. Okay, so brilliant, truly

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must have the problem. This was this one here. I'll accept an apology from you. So the next part of the discussion that we have is kind of about morality. Abdullah makes the point. Okay. Well, that was the debate. I don't know why you're doing this one year later. I really don't understand. proven wrong by AUDIENCE MEMBER Okay, I get proven wrong by all kind of family members on a daily basis for Trust me. I know, you might think that I don't get proven wrong like that because of your experience with me. But trust me, that's ridiculous. Okay, so look, I don't want this video to go on forever. I actually have no idea how long this video is going to be until I cut it down because I've kind of

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been sat here just picking out bits from the debate. But this should give you an idea of why I'm just totally fed up. Totally fed up of hearing about this debate. You want to know one of the worst parts is that Muhammad His job is uploaded this to his channel. It's got 700,000 views and they won't let me upload the video to my channel in full. Why would you Why would you even request that? Would you respect like, you know, the cameraman had to be paid. You know the microphone, guys. And there were two cameraman. So what would you want? You want to freeloader. be funny, but don't be entitled. Like, you know if you had you no one was stopping you from bringing your own camera man.

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I'm getting one of your friends to even record it on their phone or something. And then why are you acting like a young guy like an organized school? Boy?

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Come on. Look at human You're acting like seriously? Come on, man. So you want us to pay for your channel to grow and your channel is attacking Islam? It's a bit crazy, isn't it? This is the this is the real world when other world him like

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and he's controlling the comments. So

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of course I can control the comments. I'm the I'm the admin of the of the YouTube channel.

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So what's your problem? I don't know. What's your issue here? I got you know, half of Muslim YouTube on my ass saying you got owned, you got wrecked And the worst part isn't

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That being a debater is all about people in your echo chamber telling you how good you are,

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bro, it's fine. We can have, we can have our echo chambers. When it comes to the baits, you're going to get that like you know, if, especially if you've got another person with a bigger platform than you or the same size platform or a smaller platform was still quite big. So you can that's just something they didn't come to me and say, why isn't a video on your channel? Because you're scared to upload it is because Brother Mohammed hijab smashed you in the debate, no, Brother Mohammed hijab, from wire run by logic department opening statements. This was the decision that was made in a pasta on. So what's the problem?

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They won't let me upload the footage. Believe me, I have asked I've been on Twitter asking Mohammed, did you have an IRA to grant me permission to upload the debate now, by the time this video goes out, maybe they will have done they've been ignoring me so far. But if they haven't if they haven't granted that permission, then I implore you to ask him for permission, right? I'll leave a link in the description to IRS website where you can go to the contact page, and just ask them like I'm not asking you to spam them, but just don't don't go and do that kind of thing. I just meet

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this guy this young man here. Look, would you respect Yeah.

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I don't know what you're trying to achieve. I genuinely don't know what you're trying to achieve. Let's go to your channel. Because last last thing I did review was I put up a video. Look who you're hanging around on look at this Islamophobia hang around with you. Anyway, I went to your channel, and you wrote this. Mohammed hijab has responded to my latest video by accusing me of being a racist. I'm honestly not sure this man is capable of productive discussion. Now, I've put this delay weapons video on as you can see on private or something.

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I never once accused you of being a racist, bro. And that's another misrepresentation. I asked Somali women, I'm not gonna go into the video because you said some things maybe you said was a slip of the tongue. Maybe wherever it was. Yeah. I asked certain women. I mean, I put a poll there. Yeah. To see whether people Somali women thought What you said was racist? A lot of them said yes. You're not trying to say a lot of them like, look if I come on my own.

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And I go to my own community page.

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handog on my community page, your channel? Yeah. community.

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So look, if I go on my community page and go here.

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you'll see that some some people found it. Look, as a Somali woman,

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she found what you said to be racist.

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You know, I mean, so

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what what is it because we were allowed to have these opinions. Now, as I said before, bro, I'm giving you a chance to kind of retract what you said, the Somali women, and the Muslim woman and stop using derogatory and loaded language of us. And so trying to insult our Prophet and stuff, and that we can have a healthy relationship, if you stop insulting, because you need to understand the red lines. The red lines for us is when you attack Muslim women when your attack was the men with Muslim people, when you use loaded language, insulting language, you can legally do it. I'm not even arguing that, you know, on a Freedom of Speech Level, you shouldn't or couldn't, or whatever, that's

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your thing. You can do it, but you're going to get people not liking you, from our community. So

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that's the red lines. And obviously, our profit is a red line as well. Because for us, we love our profit. We love Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasallam. We love Allah, we love we love them more than we love ourselves. And also, it's very difficult for you to grasp when you attack, and I'm not even going to go to what you said. But when you attack our Prophet, even by using words, which are questionable, what you're doing is you're burning bridges. Yeah.

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So there's lots of people by law, I can I can attack the Sikh communities. Guru i can i can attack I can say really horrible things. But, you know, I don't do that. You know, I don't do that. Because I want to maintain good relationship with our communities. And my advice to you, I someone a little bit older than you understand and a little bit more in life, and have a bit more like a little bit more life experience is brought on do this. Yeah. Because you're an intelligent young man. I would respect you have a bright future ahead of you what you have to be

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you can't be insulting people and communities. And I know you live in Oxford bro. And you know, the Cowley college story is all Muslim Cowley area as all Muslim areas, some Muslim majority of myself. So you don't want to be you don't wanna make enemies in your area.

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Anyway, so I want to