Channel: Hamza Tzortzis
Q & A Livestream
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Bismillah R Rahman Rahim in Al hamdu Lillah wa Salatu was Salam. ala rasulillah Assalamu alaykum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh.
may Allah subhanho wa Taala bless every single one of you pray to Allah subhana wa to Allah that you're all experiencing an amazing spiritual day a day of arafah it's a very it's the best day of the year. And I pray to Allah subhanho wa Taala is full of good deeds, and it's full of getting closer to Allah subhanho wa Taala.
And you are with myself Hamza doses, and our beloved brother use of ponders Alhamdulillah. And this is the Sapiens Institute live the way of Abraham.
And the way Abraham essentially brothers and sisters, is calling out to humanity,
inviting humanity to the service of Allah subhanho wa Taala, who the road less than the Europe big call to the Seville to the way of Allah, and what is the Sabine the Sabine is to affirm and to internalize, and to actualize that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah. That is the Submit of a form. And what does worship really mean? It means to know Allah, to love Allah, to obey Allah, and that includes being humbled before him, and submitting to him and having positive fear of him, and significantly includes to single out and to direct all acts of worship to Allah alone.
And the main objectives of this livestream is to invoke the inside you to understand that there is no data worthy of worship except Allah, and that we must call people to this perennial truth to this timeless truth. Because brothers and sisters, this life is short, we may live 30 years, 40 years, 60 years, 70 years, Allah knows.
And the Oscar is a turtle, the oscura is forever. And we have been placed here as human beings with a purpose in life, with meaning in life with an ultimate purpose and an ultimate meaning. We're not just a rearrangement of carbon, we're not just blind, cold and non rational electrons whizzing around in a random way. But rather, there is a profound meaning for existence, and a profound purpose for existence, which is that we're here to worship Allah subhanho wa Taala. And do not be diluted, and to not be duped by those who say that there is no ultimate meaning and purpose in life, and then they decide to create a purpose in their life. So they say there is no purpose of life, but
there is purpose in life. But we have to make them understand that there is a connection between a purpose in life and the purpose of your life. And if you believe that your ultimate existence is based on blind, cold and non rational electrons whizzing around, and what do we mean by blind that there is no intentional force directadmin Anyway, what do you mean by cold, then non conscious, they're not aware of themselves aware of anything outside of themselves, if they believe in this, don't be duped by this. And if they say that we can now have a purpose in our existence, even though the fundamental basis for existence is based on this blind called non rational stuff. Don't buy into
that, because that is equivalent logically of saying, Let's pretend to have purpose. It is tantamount it is equivalent. It is logically the same as children playing in the playground, and basically saying, Let's pretend to be the cops and robbers, right, let's pretend to be the police. And the fee for doctors and nurses are mother and father and whatever games they play today, I don't know dinosaurs and whatever is. So we have a profound purpose in our existence. And we are here to acknowledge that purpose. And the acknowledgement is based on something called the fifth row, we have an innate disposition, the primordial normative original state of the human being that
primordial, original normative state of the human being, which is the fifth law. And there are too many opinions in our tradition, that the fifth row has some knowledge that has a form of proton knowledge or primary knowledge. And the other opinion is that he has no knowledge. But what's similar between these two opinions is that the fitrah from a metaphorical point of view gets clouded, right, it's crowded, and it gets crowded for different reasons. And we know this kind of clouding process, if you like, occurs because the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam said in a hadith in Sahih, Muslim, that every child was born in this in the state, the state of fitrah, the
primordial, original moment of state of the human being, but he's parents and I'm in
extrapolating the meaning here, his parents change him and they become something else. So there is a socialization effect something happens, the fitrah becomes clouded. And our job is to unclouded the fitrah. To awaken the truth within if you accept the first opinion, to awaken the truth that's already within within ourselves, if you accept the other opinion of the fitrah, it's to unclouded the fitrah, to allow the fear to direct itself to both the truth because in this scenario, the fitrah is like a vehicle. It's like a car and it's directing itself towards the truth but if the windscreen is clouded or misty, it cannot direct itself towards the truth. So our job is to help
unclouded the fitrah to awaken the truth within. And this is what the dowel is about. It's about creating awakenings within people. It's about trying to unclouded people's fitrah, to create that awakening, or to allow the fitrah to direct itself towards the truth. So the question is, how do you unclouded this fitflop How do you do you uncrowned this fitrah the way you on cloud the fifth way is by different approaches. And when you look deep into the Quran, and into the Sunnah, and the way of a spiritual masters, you will see that the way towncloud the fitrah differs based on the individual because the Sunnah of dour when it comes to individual interaction is to contextualize and to
individualize to see the individual context of that particular person. Some people may require rational arguments. Some people may require a combination of rational arguments and a spiritual approach. Some people may require just planting seeds, gaining them, to critically think not really being forceful depends on the context. Some people need direct access to revelation to Quran to create those awakenings or to unclog the fitrah. The point here is there are different ways to unclog the fifth, fifth floor to awaken the truth within and these ways are no no, there are means they are means to awaken the truth within they are means to unclouded, the fitrah, to allow the
fitrah to direct itself towards the truth. And this approach, this understanding of what it means to be a human being is very important, because it moves us away from a dogma functionalism to Tao holism, what's the Tao of functionalism, a Dao of functionalism is treating the human being as some kind of abstract AI machine and computerized machine a functional model of the mind. Because in the philosophy of the mind, you have this approach called functionalism, which really is based on inputs, mental states and outputs, they just put the right input and you're going to get the output. This is similar to a computer, but human beings are not computers. And we're not going to assume
that there's some kind of rational algorithm algorithm that we type in and we're going to expect certain results now that's a double functionalism. And we miss out a lot in the Dow because we fail to appreciate there are other ways to unplowed someone's fitrah. But our holism is far more holistic because they appreciate the rational arguments to feel philosophical argumentation, but at the same time he appreciates what the human being is, as per the Quran and the Sunnah of the human being is not just an abstract intellect, yes, the human being has an opinion, but the opposite is a function of the economy, but the heart and the heart does handloom Weaver's. And the human being also has a
role. He also has a fitrah it has enough an ego, a psychological disposition. And all of these things are dynamic interplay. So when you interact with the human being interact with the human being, as the human being is not some kind of postsecular understanding of the human being the human being some kind of abstract robot. With all due respect, brothers and sisters, we need to become more intellectually, spiritually mature, to start to understand what the person
means not what they want. Sometimes someone may come with an irrational argument against Islam, and you're going to have a debate when it comes to the dialogue. But really, if you have understood the context, and you listen with the intention to understand, you would realize they need a sprinkling of rational arguments. But the real issue is spiritual, or the real issue is any direct revelation or the real issue is they need a positive interaction with religious people, whatever the case may be, and this makes sense of the and the Sunnah Western cognitive psychology, this makes sense of the Sahaba becoming Muslim, and over 1000 1000 years of experience of people becoming Muslim. It's not
purely through abstract theory of philosophical argumentation, we need to become more intellectually, spiritually mature and give people what they need, not what they want. And sometimes what they need is not the initial thing, which is some kind of rational argument. It's usually something else like psychosocial or whatever the case may be. Yes, in many times, you have to use rational arguments for sure. And we're all about that. But we have to stand in the possibility that the human being is not just a functional model of the mind. But the human being is far more holistic. There is a color there is an opinion, there is enough the law and all of this, all of
these things are a dynamic interplay. And our job is to try to awaken the truth in one cloud the fitrah to allow the future to direct itself towards the truth.
So what we're going to be doing straight away brothers and sisters is taking your questions the next two hours, brothers and sisters, this is almost unpleasant.
On stage for a Sapiens Institute livestream, we're going to be taking your philosophical questions, your spiritual questions. If we don't know the answer, we're going to say we don't know if we do we're going to answer if what I'm sure we're going to say we aren't sure and hopefully direct you to the right place. But here is the space to try and develop you so you become more intellectually spiritually mature, to create awakenings within yourself and awakenings within other people inshallah, in this blessed day of our of our brothers and sisters in sha Allah The next two hours, we're gonna have a transformative 120 minutes inshallah it's going to be transformative. We're gonna
invite you on, ask your questions if you're a non Muslim, come on board Welcome to the house of Islam. The door is open is beautiful, it's a beautiful home It smells nice has loving people come up to questions. If you left Islam come back the doors of Allah's mercy are always open the only closed when you die and if anyone has closed the books for you now, these people are no friendly Islamic tradition. The doors are always open to Allah's mercy and forgiveness. If you're someone who's suffering from shubo heart for destructive doubts come on board. You know our caravan is not a caravan of despair. So please, brothers and sisters come on board us your questions and ask your
questions with the mind to help yourself and hope others so they could create those awakenings so they could affirm La Ilaha give Allah they could affirm there is no deity worthy of love. Whether your obedience whether you have actual question other than the only deity, Allah subhana wa Tada. So to proceed brother yourself, let's start this party. Mashallah you get on a roll, bro.
conspiring? May Allah bless you. So we should probably as well apologize for not doing the live stream on Saturday.
And Sunday, we were supposed to be one on Sunday as well. Yes, we were. Yes. Okay. That was a naughty office. I thought it was just Saturday, and then Monday? Yes, things happen.
120 minutes of your one to one.
We're here now, one to one interaction.
So yeah, you've got two ways of asking those questions either via the chat.
Or alternatively, you can jump on with this link that I'm going to post in the chat. One day amser will give me access to the YouTube admin. And then I can post this or pin this link in the chat, which will make things a million times easier. But for the time being, we're just going to post it there. So if you want to jump on, do click the link. Like I said, alternatively, just ask your questions. And we'll see what are gone.
So have a look. So if someone says that they don't feel the need to bother about how the world was created, what's going on with them?
Mr. Macro question, What's going on with
you? Okay, so I'll give you my 10 pets, you give you a 10 pence inshallah. So Bismillah My dear brother, first and foremost, is offline for coming on board for being brave enough to ask the question publicly. I know many people say that public appearances of speaking, they they fear that more than death. So by virtue of you asking a question, you have overcome that to some degree. So just lock my head for that. Now. So someone asked, you know, they don't feel the need a little bit, too. So they have this kind of holistic approach, which uses as an expert on, but why would say from this perspective, you have to first and foremost understand the caveat, the sum of Tao with
individuals to understand the context. So I don't really know the person, I don't know where they're from the name, the background, whatever the case may be. So my answer is going to be an abstraction. But usually, with someone like this, you have to create that need. And the way to get that need is someone with full experiments, or actually getting them to stand in the possibility that not being bothered about their existence, not being bothered, bothered about their life can have severe consequences. And this is where the Quranic doubt comes in. When you talk about gender and gender, right, you told them where you are, and you can be eligible for paradise eternal bliss, or you could
be eligible for your own self damnation because the kind of concept of hell and the Islamic tradition is that you threw yourself into hell, because Allah subhanho wa Taala says, he doesn't prefer this belief from servants, the more fostering What do they say the pastor could actually say that Allah doesn't want people to help. We close the door to Allah guidance and mercy when it was already opened, but we closed it. And when the only door that's open is the doors of hell, and we found ourselves that's why Allah says, Allah did not run them, they run themselves. So it's very important to understand that it's not how can a loving Lord send you to hell? the right question is,
how can we choose hell over loving mode? So you have to show that this is maybe the eligible for this and that could create an awakening and say, You know what, I need to take this a bit seriously because the consequences are eternal. That's the first point. The second point is given the thought experiencing what isn't this equivalent of you being sedated, then thrown onto a plane and you wake up on the plane, you're in first class and you have an amazing, luxurious, comfortable experience a flatbed that's designed to make you feel comfortable, you have food on top and
detainment on top Nish she is on top music on top games and top movies on top you have sunset sunrise you have you have snow top mountains you have the word scenic. Wow, this is paradise you. But then after you're gonna be in that state, surely you know after five minutes you're gonna say Hold on a second. How did I get here? Where did I come from? Where is the plane headed to? What am I supposed to do? I don't even have my passport. Right? So it's very important brothers and sisters to give these type of experiments and give the kind of psycho spiritual emotive motivational, right kind of Quranic paradigms that gentleman jahannam to get to think seriously about this matter. If
you combine those two, a thought experiment that is real for them. And you combine the eligibility for eternal bliss or the eligibility for them, closing the door to God's mercy and guidance that should do the trick inshallah, but you should do it within the context of hikma within the context of wisdom you should do in the context of Rama, you should do in the context of being merciful because remember, when you engage in the Dharma or in anything in life, you have to be committed to the goodness and guidance of all people. We know this from the Hadith of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam as narrated by Buhari in 30. Al Kabir it is, and is different from the Hadith. And
I know we is very similar, but it's different. It says a lot for Lynette's love for humanity, we love yourself, and the Hadith, the 13th Hadees of and now we let you in what had to come after you hit him up enough. So you won't truly believe unless you look for your brother in law for yourself. This also includes brother in humanity. And that's what he said, This includes in sunnier human beings. And we also have to understand that it's not only a now he said this with the Maliki scholar, even the pig I believe he said something similar. So we have to be committed to the goodness and guidance on what people use. If we got some of those lights, like special lights or
something, we get you some decent light in there and Mashallah you get in some serious energy. It's been a crazy days, I mean, that state, so I'm trying to keep that state. Keep it going. Keep it going. Yeah, so my two pens is to just read the question. Yeah, someone says that they don't feel the need to bother about how the world was created, what's going on with them? Yeah. So it what it is, is, I think there's obviously a certain state where you sort of engrossed in the immediate. And it's, I don't mean to say this in like a negative sense, because obviously, it's not negative, necessarily, but it's quite childlike, you're only sort of aware of the now is very present, funnily
enough, there's a lot of books now trying to get you to be solely in the present. But there's a certain sort of transcendence, that's a play that gets you to think about the bigger questions, and that includes, well, where did all of this come from, that requires you to sort of leave the present moment a little bit, to flow above it, to observe it and think about it holistically. And that usually just comes with maturity, and with becoming sort of, you know, disenfranchised with the glitz and the glamour of the dunya, so to speak, and some people that go through this, you know, in different ways. Some people it takes a different amount of time for them to really
take that point of transcendence leave that immediate moment, that sometimes I think it's mostly
I don't know, something bad happens or some sort of trauma, someone passes away, then these that sort of things start to crop up. For some people, it takes them a while before someone passes away in the family, I've got friends who still haven't lost anybody. And they're like, 20 odd years old. Just the panelizer sort of testament of the modern day, but yet it's a I think that's probably the main reason. They're just sort of engrossed, they're still in a somewhat childlike state of naivety and things like that and it's a process of just sort of getting there being patient with them.
And in time, inshallah they'll start to sort of transcend so to speak.
So Mashallah, we've got
to ask answer people's questions as much as possible.
How you doing? Thank you very good, excited to have both the heavy hitters on to ask you some questions.
Bless you for coming on board and May Allah bless you and you know, you recently had your own spiritual journey and malba increase you and presumably mine and you further and further inshallah. inshallah.
So I had a question for you. I want to I know it might be a tense topic, but I really want to know the truth about this concept of Gita which is protective jealousy where some people say, a woman can't have a job. She can't
be a teacher and have a you know, students of male and female. She can't go outside without somebody. She only has to stay inside.
And she can't have like, any volition to have like education or school. And that if she does, it's an insult to the man's honor. And that she has to submit in that way, otherwise, she is not honoring her husband's honor. And even if it's against her mental health, she still has to do it. This is something that I've been coming across with some people, and I don't know the truth about it. I think there's a balance in today's age. And, you know, if you were living in a very dangerous area in California, and you can have like two days, I've had a job as like a cashier or something to help get out of the ghetto. I think that's much smarter than you know, staying in a place where there's a
lot of gun violence or something. There's like a, there must be some sort of balance here. You know, like, if you can stay home and you get that safe. But in today's economy, people lose their jobs. poverties around? I don't know, I feel like there's got to be some type of middle way a different approach about it, because it seems that a lot of suitors and a lot of people. They've been saying stuff like that, like they don't want the women to have any social media. She cannot even have her voice. Sometimes she cannot have a job, she can't go to school, she has to literally just stay inside all day unless she's with somebody. And I understand maybe that works in some areas. But what
if you have to go somewhere? I mean, I'm starting to wonder which is Islam and which is culture and personal preference.
You see, I hope I made that clear. Yes, sister. So sister. So one thing we haven't
put it on me. So there's no echoes? Yeah. To make very clear sister is that I kind of policy institute that we don't really go into fit matters. Okay. So that's very important. So this question has to go to someone who's qualified and someone that you trust, okay. However, notwithstanding, is very important to note, a few things. Riera, which is like a positive jealousy for your spouse, which goes both ways. By the way, it's not just the men to the females, the female to the man is like a protective type of jealousy. And this is highly a high ethic in the Islamic tradition. However, as a general principle, it should not be used to oppress anyone, it should not be used to
make anyone feel that their well being has been diminished, that the self esteem is diminished that they have a lack of psychological well being mental well being and physical well being and even social well being. And that difference differs from society to society, because there was a concept in fick could have called the social customs. Now what you're describing, if someone is preventing you from breathing, prevent running you from education and preventing you from all of these things, then that sounds like oppression, but rather than a hero, because we have to understand this from a kind of pure spiritual perspective. If one doesn't have an ego, they don't have for example, the
diseases of the heart like hasard, jealousy, blameworthy jealousy, Kippur and arrogance. If you don't have these things, then heat up positive jealousy, wanting to take care of their spouse making sure the spouse is fine. Making sure the spouse is basically within the boundaries of the halal and haram what Allah loves to go towards that what about hate to move away from that, that's going to be very positive, and it's going to create well being for each other, and the house and society. But if it ends up if someone has, for example, an ego, and they're just using the concept of Veera as the veil just to oppress someone, just to prevent them from breathing and living and living a life that
is conducive to coming close to Allah subhanho wa Taala, then this is oppression. And and Allah forbids oppression from that perspective. So that those are the principles I wanted to give you. So you don't feel a bit disheartened that we're not giving an answer. So no one should use Hina as a means to oppress anyone. And that obviously means the kind of Islamic definition of oppression, but at the same time, the kind of specific answers, please go to a scholar that you trust, please go to a scholar that understands the oath as well. Because this is very important. It comes to phip. Obviously, people use often they use custom as an excuse to do what they want. We're not talking
about that we're talking about the value principle, the value 50 principle of growth, of off of social customs, go to someone who is learned mainstream, and I'm telling you, they're going to give you an answer that's going to liberate you, it's going to liberate the household and liberate society. And it will, it will be nowhere near oppression and nowhere near what you've just described in sha Allah. But here as a concept is very important because to have in actual fact, many of our men unfortunately do not have lira, which is an unfortunate situation, you know, you know, for example, they'll take selfies with the wife put on Instagram all the time, make sure her wife's got
all the makeup on does a pal put on Instagram, with all due respect, I don't find these people. They don't have any hero. And this is not part of the Islamic ethic. And this is a very simple thing and if people don't like it
Then tough. That's so that's positive here, you know, and even for the man, if the man has, for example, big guns, and his wife says, You know, I don't want to, I don't want you showing your biceps in public, it's for me, man, you know, this is beyond the kind of
the black and white Hold on, hold on, this is about appreciating your wife appreciating her needs. And you should be as a husband, you know what, I won't wear short sleeve, or I'll wear clothes that you that you like, this has something to do with a loving relationship that you have based on love, or my mercy, and tolerance, and so on and so forth. So the point I'm trying to say is really is a very important concept in our tradition. Please go to a scholar, though, based on the nuances and I'm telling you, he's going to give you an answer, inshallah, that's going to be far away from oppression, he's going to make you understand the concept in a better way than I have expressed. And
in a way that's going to be liberating for your household. And it's going to bring you all closer to Allah subhanho wa Taala, and is open to achieve a sense of well being for all of you, but never allow anyone to use this concept, just as a manifestation of the possessiveness and manifestation of the ego, because this is a big spiritual disease. And sometimes people use these ethics in Islam, this is an excuse to oppress other people. And this is a sign of weakness. This is not a sign of a man. So I hope that is clarified sister, but in terms of specific questions, this is beyond us, we have to stick to the field philosophical stuff. Okay. If I could just add by, sorry, you're still on
mute, but you want to say something?
Oh, so I had another question if that's okay.
Do you mind if I just thought through what you said before we move on? Totally. Yeah. So I would recommend reading into the wives of the Prophet Mohammed Salah Salem, first one being Aisha as the Hello, Anna. And
how do you say her name is it could Ito have studied
both of these systems were very empowered. They, I shout out, he was very vocal, she wasn't this scheepers shy person, she spoke her mind. You know, she was actually she was one of the largest scholars in Islam, but the majority of the Hadith we get from her. So like, even from the, you know, the very beginning, we have this idea of intellectual pursuits within the the Sisters of Islam, or the women of Islam. And IJA was a business woman, and the way they Prophet Mohammed, Salah Solomon, I, these others, he
became familiar with each other was through business, she would send him on expeditions to do business elsewhere, outside of
the, you know, they were they were in Medina, and Mecca, etc. So that this notion that there's sort of like they're hidden away in a cupboard, almost, you know, this caricature of his wives, I think is far from the truth and just looking into these two particular characters, the two wives of the Prophet Mohammed, Salah Salem, I think should sort of elucidate a lot of the, the image that we have, you know, the the early women in Islam, inshallah, hope that happens anyway.
As a general principles is a very sound principles, luckily, yourself, but if there's a specific key concept where one husband says something to another wife, and there was a discussion, this is beyond us, and that requires basically scholarship in Sharla. But as a general principle, we said, they sound prevents oppression, that there is a concept of here is a positive concept. And it increases the spiritual and social well being well being of both people and of the fan of the household. And yes, if you look into the lives of the wives of the Prophet salallahu, alayhi wasallam. You know, you had Ayesha, who was very strong and assertive, especially, you know, tickling his Soviet Khadija
rajala, and he was a businesswoman, and so on and so forth. But remember, all of that is was done within the context of the Islamic values as well. So
this is very good that you raise this question just to let everyone know that we're not going to answer specific tricky questions. But please, Meaghan Please give us your other question, inshallah. Okay, so I've noticed there is a I don't know if you're familiar with it, but it's called a red pill movement where these young brothers are telling younger brothers that divorced women and you know, river sisters who are not virgins are like toxic trash. And they're really teaching the young men to not ever marry a single mother to stay away from divorced women. And they're really being quite vulgar towards, you know, the younger men and how they're trying to find wives. And since polygamy,
you know, polygyny is allowed this would, that system of polygyny is beneficial towards women who have had a brutal divorce and stuff like that. So what would you say to like those young brothers who are trying to really brainwash these young brothers into hating women because they're Western women who are not virgins, and who are divorced?
single mothers and stuff like that. What would you say to that? Yes, so I'm not aware of this.
But again, this is really in the realm of the issue, but it's to do with Islamic values and ethics, which we do talk about. The first thing to say is these men are little boys, very weak individuals who have no spirituality and have no connection with Islam or Allah subhanho wa Taala. Because if you really take the logical consequence what they said, they are actually saying that the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam was not a real man, may Allah protects us from such stupidity, because the Prophet sallallahu ala was married, were women, who were basically not virgins, the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam married women who had previous husbands and so on and so forth. So to
even make such a ridiculous claim, is counter to the life of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam is absolutely ridiculous. Yes, we have our ethical tradition, and those virtues for marrying this type of woman or that type of woman or this type of man and that type of man. But the biggest virtue, as a general principle is someone who is pious, someone who is close to Allah subhanho wa Taala. And the reward for marrying a divorcee who has children or widow is absolutely phenomenal. And if they only knew that reward, they wouldn't even utter such nonsense. So from that perspective, is that if there is a movement, where you Wherever you're from, in America that these guys are
saying such stuff, these people actually they need a social intellectual, spiritual slap. Yeah.
Because good respect, these guys are pathetic. They have probably a sense of arrogance, they have the psychosocial issues, the using the Dean of some form of gang. And this is a trend that you see throughout societies, and these people should be shunned shouldn't be taken seriously. And they should basically maybe they should take some pills because they're not mentally not mentally well, because what they're saying is against the Sunnah of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam to talk about women in this way. And to, to to to judge women this way is absolutely ridiculous. In actual fact, in actual fact, if you've been studying Islam, if a woman has had a past, as she was a non
Muslim, as she became a Muslim, he has no right to know anything about her past zero. In actual fact, even if it was a woman who was Muslim and had the past, and she repented none of his business, none of his business. The one who repents, right is like the one who hasn't sent Yeah, these people are sick, possessive individuals. And already, if they come across that way, it's a sign that they know they should never be married, you should never marry those types of people. In actual fact, they need spiritual rehabilitation and inshallah there's hope for them as well. We're not judging them. We also handle what Allah allow them to enter to the door of his mercy and His guidance.
And to answer I am a bit more familiar with the red pill movement,
mainly through my studies in nihilism, funnily enough, they seem to sort of be quite characterized by this sort of overwhelming force. But yeah, so I think it's like, for the Hamza was just saying, then, I'm pretty sure the majority of the wives of the Prophet Mohammed Salah Salaam had the sort of, we're not virgin, so they were previously married, or they were widowed. And he, he took them and they
married them and the Koran says, chapter four, verse 19, and live them live with them with kindness, or in kindness, that is to you know, treat them well, to not this sort of,
brutish mentality that these particular individuals put forward where they turn the male female relationship into a battle on
Yes, yes, it was a really good story is one day when I Aisha radiallahu anha there was some food being served. And I believe she was slightly jealous. And I think she was either broken play or something happened that wasn't, you know, very nice. And the way the person responded he was like, Oh, your mother is jealous or the way he responded very human nice way. He didn't, you know, was egocentric and egotistical to say, How dare you do this in front of them or whatever the case may be? Look, if people follow the Sunnah they would have the best marriages. And what is the Sunnah is to have him is to have forbearance to overlook faults is to look at your thoughts. First, you know
the way of the Salah, the way of the pious predecessors, when they had issues with the with the womenfolk with their family, the first thing they would look at, you know, they would look at themselves.
They would look at themselves, What sin did I commit? How have I moved away from Allah subhanho wa Taala for this to happen at home? Because it's a very empowering philosophy. The pious penis is the son of the true self, the true spiritual masters of this oma. When they had these issues, they look into themselves they wouldn't blame a woman or blame anyone else. The first thing they would do is look within, within what I done, was my ego
Whereas my problems with my connection with the Quran was my connection. And one llahi brothers and sisters, I see this in my own life. Yeah, in my own life.
When people move away from Allah subhanho wa Taala, you can have problems. And then the ego is going to teach you to blame others. But I'm telling you the first thing the first person to blame is yourself. First find out yourself because once you fix your connection with Allah subhanho wa Taala everything else falls into place. So this kind of default position that someone else is to blame or someone else is like this. This is not in line with the ethics with the essence of Islam, and not in line with the Sunnah of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam. And we lose respect. This is a massive disease of the kind of our men in our own mind not knowing what it means to be a real man.
Right? People think being a real man is benching 170 kilos, right? You can't even benchpress your ego, and you're telling me that you're a man, because you've gone to the gym, you can't benchpress your bench press your ego, you can't forgive others for the sake of Allah subhanho wa Taala when Allah says forgiven, overlook, don't you want Allah to forgive your sins, you can't do that stuff. And now you're talking to me about what it means to be a man and false notions of hero and false notions of this, that and the other, being possessive. This is a spiritual issue. And this is why brothers and sisters as a as a lesson for everybody, especially when we talk about the way of
Abraham, because when we talk about dollar give people $1 we need to know who we are in the doubt. Who am I in the dollar? We will think about the others are the kuffar the ACS, the liberals, this Who are you? Who are you in the dollar? Because it's through you through your actions and through your state of being and how you relate to others that's going to create transformations in other people. You can't control other people, but you know what you can control yourself. So who are you in the dollar? And all of these things whether it's to do with family, whether it's to do with Dharma stems from what the the heart and we know the four main spiritual teachings of the heart are
what are job self amazement, Hassan blameworthy jealousy keba arrogance, Ria, ostentation, these four major spiritual diseases that would give rise to all the other spiritual diseases, any affects the way we relate, we don't have this kind of Christian notion of faith. It's just in the heart, it affects what you say. It affects what's in your heart affects how you relate to yourself, how you relate to others, and how you relate to this panel will affect your actions.
And it stems from your state of being your state of heart. And if you have an ego, and keba, and all of these things, it's gonna affect your relationships. It's going to affect everything. I'm tell you something, sister, and brothers or sisters or listen to this.
You can really find any excuse for your actions in Islam. If you're small, you could do some linguistic spiritual gymnastics. And this is why it's so important to understand who the person is, how does that person relate to other people? What is spirituality? Like? What is ego? Like? How does he respond to fit? How does he respond to when his ego is challenged? How does he respond to calamity and chaos and tribulations? Does he come closer to Allah Oh, run away from Allah. If you run away from a line or situation that that is very revealing, because the thickness, the root word, when you boil it, or the Medtronic removes it's kind of impurities, right? Let's see what happens to
that finger, remove the impurities and they come closer to Allah or does it make make them more impure. And this is why we have to revive in our our brothers and sisters, this concept of Who are you in the dollar. In our advanced our training course we have a long section called the characteristics of the dog. And this includes moving away from useless argumentation and debate which is based on the Hadees and abodo they believe it talks about him, which is a beautiful verse in the Quran, and sort of facilites in verse 34. When Allah says good and evil are not the same, repelled by that which is better. And between two people, those hatred returns an intimate
friendship repelled by that which is better, right. And people think, you know, being aggressive is is the best thing to do. No, being aggressive is easy. Holding your ego is the hardest thing to do. Yeah, talk to any human beings, especially those who consider themselves alpha males, right? The easiest thing to do is to be aggressive. That's the easy default. That's easy, but holding it down, responding in a way that is better, that is more virtuous is more beautiful. That's that's the thing that we should do in the Dow and this is part of the Dow itself. In actual fact, it was the key characteristic of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam on the Jewish man came to person and pulled
him by the neck and I believe left a mark. Right, and one of the Sahaba wanted to get aggressive and the person responded with beauty and virtue. And this Jewish man became a Muslim because it was one of the key signs he was waiting for, because he saw two out of the three signs, and the final sign was hidden forbearance. rappelling by that which is better, and it was really interesting this
is all about dar. This was verse 34, in sort of facilite, go to verse 33. Go to the verse before, what does Allah say? Who is better in speech and then the one who calls to Allah does the righteous deeds and says, I am one of the Muslims, Allahu Akbar, the holistic vision for the dour, you call to Allah, your righteous person. And you say, I am one of those who submit. And the first after that gives you the way of being that you must be concerning the dollar What does Allah say Good and Evil are not the same, repelled by that which is better. And the Arabic word for repel here is not followed by a direct object. It doesn't say repel evil, he says repelled by that which is better
than the red, NSA repenting by that which is better is what is more virtuous is what is more beautiful. And yes, what is more virtuous, and what is more beautiful, has its own context. Sometimes you have to be assertive, sometimes you have to be soft, but the default position in the Dow and I challenge anybody on this planet, the default position in the dollar is to be forbearing. is to be compassionate. That's always the default position. Look at the narrative of Musa alayhis salam, most early Islam was told by Allah subhana wa tada go to fit our own, the worst creature on this earth. And what did he say about fit our own? He said, speak to him and lay in and softly.
And that's what mmm could be. What is he saying? He's tafsir. He says, If Allah subhana wa Taala, told Musa alayhis salam to speak to Pharaoh in this way, imagine how we must be with other people.
So yeah, exactly.
Sorry, you've muted Sargon I said they he answered it perfectly. What I was very eager to ask somebody. So the live stream came at the perfect time.
I really wanted to answer those questions. Thank you.
I'm gonna go drink my coffee and eat my breakfast. But thank you so much for allowing me on the stream. And he answered perfectly fine, like
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So we've got some questions in the chat. And also we'll answer these and then we'll bring someone else on. So we've got one here by side. A lot of anti sacrifice propaganda is going on social media, like vegan eat whole lives, and
even some ignorant Muslims how to respond to people.
Well, you know, it's really funny, right? You know, these ideological movements, they have a philosophical basis and what we teach in the dour, especially when we teach in the course on no doubt, and we teach in the weekend, the truth within we teach about this concept called worldviews. Everyone has a worldview, brothers and sisters, right? Everyone has a worldview, and that vegans have a worldview. So why are they saying this is because they believe in the vegan movie. So what do they believe? They basically believe that you can't eat animals because it's, there are sentient beings. And basically, it's equivalent of murder, essentially. Why do they say this? Because they
have their own philosophical assumptions behind that. All you need to say is we have false philosophical assumptions. Yes, we agree that we shouldn't have overconsumption. We agree that we shouldn't harm animals. If you study the way animals are slaughtered in Islam, how animals are taken care of. It's a phenomenal phenomenal ethical tradition. So we agree with that aspect, and we agree with overconsumption but the philosophical basis is article four is utter rejection of your song from that perspective. Let me explain why. Allah subhanho wa Taala has said that these animals are being created for us to eat full stop. You could prove that by showing them why the Quran is from
Allah. Once they understand that all of the philosophy becomes redundant, because it's come from Aleem al Hakim is come from the old wise in the all knowing Allah has the totality of knowledge and wisdom and he is above is a source of goodness and he commands that you can eat these animals. First off, it's easy, easy equation you prove the Quran is from Allah and you prove that the Quran says Allah is the only thing that are wise and he's the source of all goodness. So therefore he commands is going to be the best. Full stop, however, be doing appreciate the ethical dimension. But yes, overconsumption is not good, that animals are being treated really, really bad. It's not in line
with Islamic ethics, for sure, but the fundamental philosophical basis is totally totally incoherent. In actual fact, there's a scientific study study to show that trees have pain. plants have pain, what are you going to do? Plants biologically, they basically have biological creatures, they're living, right, they are living and they have pain. They react in a way that could be described as pain, especially some trees if you read the book, the hidden life of trees, you will see this we're going to do not have vegetables we're going to eat you're going to start sucking soil for your minerals. Come on, man, come on, man stolen guys.
They make these inferences. So they say,
but this something that I want to just talk about Paragon talked about the deep spiritual nature of sacrificing an animal. I want you guys to think about this. So when you have an animal and you sacrifice, not just
To eat, but just to eat
animals in a sama Muslim,
I repeat, animals in Islam are Muslim, they submit to the will of Allah subhanho wa Taala, they are Muslim, this Muslim has been created, obviously for the kind of biological the kind of environment in order for the whole cycle of life to function and so on and so forth. But they have also been created for us to eat them. So what is happening here, a Muslim, has been designed and created to be sacrificed for you to eat. So that Muslim submits and gives his life to this Muslim myself, in order for me to become stronger and worship Allah subhanho wa Taala. That's a different way of looking at it. That is a different paradigm. These creatures have been created for that purpose. They are
Muslim, and the sacrificing of someone submitting themselves in order for another Muslim, the human being in order to consume and be grateful, and to give thanks to Allah, and also to consume to be strong to worship Allah subhana wa, tada, that's a different way of looking at it. So just address it from a kind of philosophical perspective and an ethical one as well. And yes, so I would just for now, just ignore them. Just have your lamb, have your beef.
Be grateful to Allah subhanho wa Taala say, Bismillah be grateful to Allah for who has given you, if you, if you're grateful to Allah, Allah will give you, Allah will give you more, Allah will give you more to be grateful for. And also don't forget to share with the poor and to give sadaqa and so on and so forth. So yeah, I mean, what's going on with the vegan stuff use of talk to me? Yeah, so they make this inference?
Well, you know that the plant doesn't have a nervous system. So therefore, it can't feel pain, but it's like, well, there's lots of things plant seem to be able to do without the exact same apparatus as we do. For example, they have a form of respiration, but they don't have lungs, they some plants have the ability to have a rudimentary form of memory. Although they don't have brains, they communicate, although they don't have mouths and tongues. And all these vegans are usually atheist, right. And with all due respect, under your worldview, it's all reduced to what is reduced to blind bunch of flame processes, like these electrons whizzing around, they're just physical processes that
are basically blind and non conscious, that the blind is not intentional force directing them when they're blind, meaning they're not aware of themselves or anything outside of themselves. So your whole the whole physical world, including animals and plants are just released to blind non conscious things.
To my daughter, I'll be back in a sec. No problem. Even even with your own perspective, do you have a philosophical grounding, even justify things like, Oh, this is objectively wrong, and this is objectively you know, you know, it's, you know, it's, we value these things. What does value mean, according to your worldview, anyway, is reduced to blind low conscious physical processes, with all due respect, so it doesn't give you a grounding for your your, your your value system from that perspective. So let's now have
someone else on board is have sifat is Oman salaam aleikum?
Wa Alaikum salam wa rahmatullah wa barakato.
How you doing? My dear brother Alhamdulillah have been good. Probably this is for the third time for me that I have been joining with you guys. And probably you guys were
you guys were doing lives in the Ramadan. And I have basically two questions. The first one that I'm going to ask now, this is something that, you know,
that has been really I mean, I have been railing on the same question for quite a few times, actually. But I'm just trying to get to the I'm just trying to get to the key of it. Because I'm also, I mean, not only to the others. I'm also asking this to myself, the question is, what our demand should be contingent upon? Because first of all, let me tell you something, because when for the first time I asked this question, it was that
how do we determine truth? Or what crimes on the basis of what criteria do we determine the truth? And I was having a discussion with suborn Ahmed in the Ramadan, and he told me that it's it should be based upon our own reasoning. So I was quite convinced for a period of time. I got, you know, pretty much satisfactory answer from there. But later on that I came to understand that our reasoning is something that yes, you know,
what, we determine something to be true or false. That is entirely based on our own reasoning. But the thing is, our own reasoning is not always perfect. And our reasoning is something I mean, what
I came to realize for you know, within the past few days, that
truth is something which is self sufficient. And we with the ability that we have, we, we can rather try to reach up to the truth. So, you know, I think the basic question, it comes down to the, you know, thought that what our demand should be contingent upon.
Okay, so everything approvers What? Well, there's a few things here that we need to unpack because there's a lot to unpack here but the so the first thing we need to unpack is how eemaan is contingent on the guidance of Allah subhanaw taala you can be totally irrational and have emaan Okay,
let irrational from a kind of, you know, abstract sense, you need to realize that, if Allah decides to guide someone, then what every type of rationale you throw them to try and prove them wrong, or whatever you throw at them, they're going to remain guided. And if someone decides to misguide someone, even if they seem to the most intelligent human being, and they have the great critical thinking skills, and so on and so forth, then they're going to be misguided. That's the that's actually very important point you to understand, because this actually dictates everything else. So you have to understand that guidance accepting that and what do we mean by truth here, we mean, that
representation of the actual state of affairs,
we understand reality is, our, our beliefs, our propositions are representations of reality are representations of the actual state of affairs. So when we say La, La La, la, this means there is no deity worthy of worship, except Allah, that statement that we internalize and actualize is a representation of the greatest reality, because it is the greatest reality to understand that there is a deity that is worthy of worship. Okay? So when we say truth, it's a representation of the actual state of affairs. So
I got a bit sidetracked but the point I'm trying to say here is that the first thing you need to understand is guidance and miscarries the hands of Allah subhanho wa Taala. Now, they can be ways to truth. Okay, so to establish truth and what I mean by truth, we're talking about La ilaha illa Allah, okay, we could talk about other things like you know, find out how the brain works and how do you know, you know, the process of embryology, these things have put you
down? And I guess that is the, you know, biggest question and the ultimate question. Absolutely. So, this focus on that then. So, there are different so different means to establish that, okay, if you understood what we said in the beginning, because sending the kind of metaphysical backdrop that every human being has a fifth law has a innate disposition, that kind of normative primordial or original state that basically either has knowledge within itself or it directly towards the truth, like either Hey, Lola, if it's unclouded, but a lot of people have their fists were clouded. So there are different means to unclog the fitrah. To get you to realize that truth, one of those means
can be rational arguments. Another one could be just direct revelation. Okay? So it's not entirely true. That is an abstract form of reasoning that would lead you to the truth. But it is true that a sound application of reason may lead you through the truth. But you have to understand this in the context of the metaphysical backdrop, because the upper the intellect and the Islamic tradition, is a function of the pump is a function of the heart. And what is the heart dude, the heart does a loop, it wavers, but the aka the intellect is within it. And also there is a dynamic interplay between the knifes the ego, and between the spiritual diseases of the heart, and maybe the fitting
of the heart like shubho heart and shaohua, destructive doubts and blaming blameworthy desires, and so on and so forth. So it's not as simple as saying, if you have sound reasoning, you're going to be guided? No, because you may have sound reasoning, but your heart, you may have ego. So your sound reasoning may be saying, This is the truth. This is the actual This is the representation of affairs. This is reality. Laila, hey, Lola, but your heart may have the spiritual disease of kibble of arrogance. And the arrogance could be blocking the function of the heart, which is the actual right. So it's not as simple as saying reason would lead you to that right. Genius I'm saying so
far. Yeah, I totally understand. And actually, my next question is also about fitness.
Yeah, but this is in line with even Western cognitive psychology. Because they even they, you know, it's immature to say that we're just abstract rational beings we're not there is a cognitive psychological reality. Some people like for example, in cognitive science, in researches for yourself, people with
They're rational, they have a rational belief. But it wasn't because of any type of reason. Part of it was because of maybe psychosocial motivations that they weren't even aware of. Right? So yeah, this is something very important for us to understand. So when we understand the human being, as Allah create the human being, and we understand the role of the fifth floor and the parliament up, and that will realize that there can be different means to that truth. Yes, one of them could be a sound reasoning, sound rationality, but it's in context as well, where the highest, right? Because the heart, for example, could be infected with Kippur. If someone has a high level of Kippur, they
will not actually or internalize Laila Ebola, they don't want to date you over them, they want to be details of themselves. And this is why bro, you have two different people with really good intellects. But they'll have the same data and they'll have drastically different conclusions. Why? Oh, it's a difference of opinion. They've seen it from a different perspective, maybe, but standing the possibility it could be with the highest. It could be where the hotlines, maybe once hot, is more free of cables, more free of arrogance, more free of the spiritual blemishes, and it allows them to see reality as it is.
Yeah, I understand. Yeah, actually. So my second question was about the fifth rather,
what do I mean, what do I understand, by fitrah? Is that
probably it is the ability of recognizing God by born, I mean, this is something an innate nature. Right, then my question would be that, how has it been explained by the prophet Muhammad? sallallahu? wasallam? Because
the question arises here, is that if every human being are born with the fitrah, then why is there a necessity to, you know, teach them or to let them know about that there is a God or something like that. I'm not talking about the rituals or how to pray or how to what reporting to do or what things are not to be done. But the, you know, recognition of the existence of God, why it is necessary necessary to to be taught?
If it is,
yes, but there is a difference of this say there's two opinions of the fitrah. One is that he has a form of Potala a priori knowledge that Allah is a reality is worthy of extensive praise. And the other view of the fitrah is that it's just like an affinity that directs you towards the truth. So in the second opinion that we that you just mentioned, that it's an affinity that directs you towards the truth, then the fitter would need guiding, right. So if the victor is like a vehicle, and is driving towards the truth, if it gets clouded because of parenting and socialization, as per the Hadith in Sahih, Muslim, then you need to remove some of that mist in those clouds to allow it
to direct is the truth. So the pedagogy, the way you teach your children is not to give them the Kalam cosmological argument without respect on your food, we'll do that right now create far more confusion, you don't give a seven year old the Kalam cosmological argument or the argument of consciousness, of course not, you will affirm what the fitrah dictates, you affirm, and someone who has children, you will realize this. So you, you basically just affirm, you get them to look into the cosmos and say, Look, the stars and the moon, who created that, and then you had that discussion with Allah, you know, here's the old, powerful, and so on and so forth. You just affirm a Revelation
says that revelation is one of the greatest ways of keeping the fitrah intact, when they are developing. And obviously, as they get older, and they encounter other identities and arguments, and for sure, you could develop their knowledge base. But as a foundation, your pedagogy should be the values and the principles of the crown, which are very intuitive, very universal, very simple. And, and this is why it's very important. But another thing that's important is you need to create a good relationship with your children, one that is based on trust and love in order for them to refer to you as well, at the same time, in order for that knowledge to make more sense and more meaning to
them. But the point here is, you affirm the fifth, or you don't necessarily give people new truths. And I launched this with my own children. So when I get a question, sometimes I respond to them by asking them how they would answer the question. And I'm telling you listen to this, when you get them to sit outside of themselves, and question themselves and treat themselves as if they're taking care of their own selves. And they're trying to answer the question that they've asked, and they can act as a kind of teacher to themselves. I am telling you, the fitrah comes out, and they will come up with an answer that they already knew. And that's part of the empowerment process to show to them
that they already had the answer. And this is why we have to understand the function of ix there is an epistemic function concerning Ayad, Quranic verses. Pick, for example, what Allah says in chapter 52, verses 35 to 36. Allah says, Did you come from nothing? Did you create yourself? Did you create the heavens and the earth? Ben, lay your key. No, indeed you have no faith.
You have no certainty. Allah is not giving you an answer. It's implied. But these I act act as triggers to awaken the fifth row to allow the fitter to affirm what the fifth row is upon. For example, you come from nothing you create yourself as someone that question and I'm telling you, I asked this question to a atheist in Qatar, he was from China, he had a business there. And I asked him these questions, and he ended up being someone who believed in a creator of that just by virtue of these questions and some discussion, the these I had revelation, Quran, Quranic verses, many of these Quranic verses as epistemic triggers the trigger the fitrah, to bring it back onto the path to
unclouded and allow it to direct itself towards the truth. In reality, we don't teach you your awakening. And yes, obviously, there'll be embellishments to this meaning you're going to add like, Allah is a rock man, you're going to teach him names and attributes. But when we talk about the fifth, while we're talking about the basic, essential, underlying concept behind the idea of a creator, ladies, whether that basic concept does not need to be taught, like the concept of cause and effect that that effects have causes. You don't to have you ever seen someone in school being taught that affects our causes. I was never taught at school, I understood this to my own
introspection and reflection. This is one of the kind of characteristics of what you call a self evident truth. And in the divine reality, of course, we talk about the self evident truth of the underlying concept of God, that there is a creator prior cause uncreated cause for reality.
And a self evident truth, which is not made up. This exists in Western philosophy, we call it assumption, axioms are first principles, a characteristics of these is that they are untaught, meaning they don't pull information transfer. So the concept of accrue over creato cause and effect, you don't teach someone that they learn it within themselves, the only introspection experience is not via information transfer. Does that make sense?
Yeah, totally. Actually, I see the problem why why these problems and questions or doubt, whatever we say this comes up is that, you know, we do not really understand or introspect on the thing that why do we believe something that we believe actually basically, I am currently now studying in the university. When I was a teenage boy, I was used to listen to Mr. Zaki neck and he was very, he was, he was quite expert at, you know, relating Quran and Islam with science. So and being a young boy, who was very much interested in scientific contentions, and all that. So I somehow started to believe that science or scientific methodology was, you know, a way of recognizing the truth, at
least towards the natural truth. So anything that
contradicts with science, and is anything that contradicts with science or something that is established fact, that might have not been, you know, something that is true. So, I grew up having that kind of mindset. And
a few years ago, actually, it was the last year when I just just out of curiosity, I was searching on the internet that scientific errors in Quran and Islam, something like that, I knew that some answers are going to come. But I was just more curious to know that what Islamic scholars has to say about that. So when I saw that, you know, I got pretty much Sure.
Having seen that, Oh, my God, Islamic contentions, sometimes might contradict the science, then I got to understand that, you know, we cannot, you know, think within that paradigm. So from down Actually, I kept having this question in my mind, and then what do we rely upon? Because Science is something that cannot be used to establish truth, maybe sometimes it could be. But, you know, it is not actually
we used to understand the truth of the physical world.
It's, it's the one is the best method to understand the physical world how the physical world works, which in reality, is looking at how Allah
Allah will manifest itself in physical reality. So yeah, we differ actually, you know,
there's actually not a problem. The problem becomes when we somehow take it for granted that our scientific methodology at least for this natural phenomenon, what science has to say, if that contradicts with any kind, anything with a religion, probably their religion is false, or how God
so there's different things he is he is what the classical scholars would say.
So in order to understand the physical world, you use the scientific method, no problem. Scientific Method free from kind of ideological constructs. philosophical naturalism, assuming that there is no
You don't come to see the physical world assuming there's no God, right? So you don't you don't read in atheism into your into your science that would be unscientific. You just look at the physical world and you see how it works. So I totally understand that because
Sorry, sorry, probably you just your voice came up.
Sorry, I didn't mean to you.
So basically, you have the scientific method. As a general rule, when confirmed scientific theories that are successful or have predictive power, you accept them.
You accept them. So any welcome from theory that has predictive power. This has a high epistemic status in the scientific community. There's no such thing as just a theory, right? It's not just a theory theory. Science is a well confirmed, successful theory that has predictive power. So you as a default position, you accept it. And Islam allows you to accept it.
here's here's where you need some understanding, if and only if there is a scientific theory that will confirm a predictive power and successful if it somehow contradicts Islam. irreconcilably meaning there is no reconciliation, then what you can do, you can still accept the theory practically, but you accept what Islam says Why? Because if you believe in Islam, you know, it has a higher epistemic status, then the scientific method, because even a will come from theory that has predictive power. And that's successful. Even if you're scientific realist or anti realist or an instrumentalist, you still gonna affirm that? It could be false. And it can change, right? Even
realists believe in this. They believe Yes, it could be even though we believe what confirmed theories are a representation of the actual state of affairs, they could be false and they could change. Given that, then, you know, if there's an irreconcilable contradiction with Islam, you still accept the theory, because it's working. And it's giving you some positive things from a practical point of view, but you don't accept it you either, because you know, it's not necessarily true that just because something works is true. And you accept Islam, what Islam says, but you still work with it with the theory practically. But that's if and only if a world confirm theory that is successful,
cannot be reconciled with anything that Islam says. And that is extremely rare. I don't think there is anything in science that goes against Islam that cannot be reconciled.
even when people say Darwinism, the Darwinian mechanism that Darwinism believes in common ancestry and scientists, they believe common ancestry is almost equivalent to the earth being round or for basically
would you say But hold on a second. Adam Edison didn't have parents. There is no common ancestry.
We agree Adam and Eve Sam did not have parents. He was created by Allah subhana wa Taala. But is there a way to reconcile those two different things? Maybe you're going to develop a theory called Adamic. exceptionalism. Maybe you're gonna develop another kind of perspective. The point is, it's not irreconcilable. Yeah. And one thing from the realm of Orthodoxy we affirmed that Adam and Eve Islam had no evolutionary Forerunner had no parents, Allah, Allah creed, I don't mean ism directly. Even the idea itself is still reconcilable. There's no, it's not irreconcilable. That's my point. So even if you talk about Darwinism, which is supposed to be contentious, which I don't think is even
contentious, my perspective. It's not a major issue. But if you happen, hypothetically, which I don't think has ever existed, or will exist, that there is a theory that's well confirmed and successful, and it happens to be irreconcilable with an Islamic or Quranic verse, then you could adopt what I've just said, which is, you accept what Islam says, because you know, it's come from a higher epistemic source has a higher epistemic status. And you still accept the theory practically, but not in your belief. Because, you know, even in scientific realism, they still believe that it can change, it could be false, simple as that. It's such an easy way of dealing with it. And
obviously, that obviously raises the question, you know, oh, but you have to prove that Islam has a high epistemic status. I agree. And that's what we have to do in the dollar.
Yeah, exactly. I totally agree with you actually, I do understand all the things that you have just said, because I also studied science in high school. So, as I accept the fact that you know, science, even if science contradicts Islam and so on and so forth, then I have seen people while discussing about these matters, that then they asked me the question that then what is the objective proof
Or, which could conveniently explain that Islam is the truth. Because once I was having a conversation with some atheists and agnostics, and they I asked them that, what is the criteria of truth? And I told them that I'm a Muslim. And they asked me that, why are you a Muslim? Then for me, actually, I tried to give some arguments. And I told them that my criteria of establishing truth is my own reasoning. And we could talk about that later. But they kept asking me that.
Why is there is there any objective evidence or way of verifying that yes, Islam is true, if there is any god or not. So actually, I hope that that with all due respect to be answered in this live stream comprehensively is going to take some time. So what I advise you to do is we have a learning platform
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And we've lost Hamza
on 100% show where he's gone.
I had no look for the charger. So we had to swap out for the laptop. Yeah, no problem. No problem. So we've got a we've got one comment, and then we'll move to put the Al amin in the back I think it's another
So this question is very relevant. How do we explain that Allah subhanaw taala is the most merciful and the most forgiving if he sends people to hell Hellfire?
Well, the first thing that you have to understand is that Allah is not only the most merciful, most forgiving, he's also the most just so we understand Allah's names and attributes, via his oneness, and we also understand all those names and attributes by his maximum perfection. What does this mean? So in the Islamic tradition, across the schools of creed, that we understand that Allah's names and attributes are to the highest degree possible without any deficiency without any flaw, this is maximum perfection. So when we say Allah is the most forgiving, we're saying his forgiveness is to the highest degree possible. Now, for example, you know, I heard For example, some personal
people say that, oh, by more forgiving them a lot. I want some people to help. Well, this is what you call basically a logical fallacy because you're comparing
apples and pears from that perspective. Because when a human being forgives, they need to forgive in some way it has an internal or an external benefit. It completes them from some perspective. When Allah forgives, he does not require anything. He doesn't know. He doesn't require any completion. He doesn't need anything. Think about this. Allah is the most powerful Allah is. I live in he is the free is the rich. He's awesome.
stemette is the independent, when he forgives a when he loves, he gains nothing by forgiving and nothing by loving, such as Allah subhanho wa Taala yet he loves. So when you think about Allah's forgiveness, it's always going to be more perfect than a or gnosis forgiveness because when you forgive, you need to forgive in some way it benefits you internally or externally. Allah does not require anything. He is completely free, completely rich, completely independent, yet he loves imagine how and he forgives. Imagine how pure and maximally perfect His forgiveness is. That's that's that's that's something very important that people forget to think about. For example, Allah
is love and forgiveness and love are connected anyway. Allah is Allah dude he is the loving that when you think about Allah is loving in the context of what I've just said, you understand that Allah's love is to the highest degree possible without any deficiency in any flow. Think about one of the greatest manifestations of love in the dunya the one of the great one of the greatest manifestations of love in the dunya is a mother's love.
A mother's love is nothing compared to the level of this panel with Tyler there is no you can't even compare with him on LASIK committee he shaved there is nothing LASIK chemistry as his example. Don't forget, there's like a lot. There's nothing like even his example and we'll end with Allah is the highest example. So when we're comparing, when we're trying to show to you that a mother loves because she needs to love it completes in some way. When Allah loves he does not require completion. Yet he loves. Imagine how pure His love is from that perspective. So that's why even the question is false when someone says oh, I wouldn't do such a thing. You're comparing apples and pears and you've
misunderstood the reality of us panel work.
Also, we have to understand the concept of hell here. I've mentioned this earlier, don't if you around.
Allah doesn't want people to go to hell.
This is this is a Quranic fact. He sends people to hell, but does he want people to know?
Allah subhana wa tada is also the just, Allah subhanho wa Taala is also Forgiving and Merciful. And Allah subhana wa tada Allah has given you the opportunity has kept the door open to his guidance and mercy. We shut that door. And then the only rule that is left is we throw souls into the hellfire. So it's not the question of how can a loving God send us to hell? But rather, how can how can we choose hell over a loving Lord, as Allah says in the Quran, and they did, and we did not run them, they run themselves. We throw ourselves from an existential spiritual perspective into the hellfire. That's something that's very important to understand. And when you're inhale, people will not say
it's an injustice.
Think about that. Think about that. People will not say it's an injustice. It's a manifestation of the justice of Allah subhana wa Tada. The forgiveness and guidance, the door was open, we closed it. And this is very interesting because saying the maximum forgiveness of Allah subhanaw taala anyway, because Allah subhanho wa Taala.
And by the way, when Allah says, you know, when we say whoever Allah guys own can misguide whoever Allah miska is no one can guide that also has a context because when you look into the Quran, Allah says, Allah does not guide so and so Allah loves so and so. So there's a kind of almost
quasi spiritual correlation between who we are in guidance and Miss guidance. For example, if you're arrogant, then that's going to be a buyer to divine guidance and mercy. But the backdrop is that Allah guides and misguides whoever he wills, but there is a kind of elaboration to a certain degree on the kind of spiritual mechanics of that, yeah. But notwithstanding, it's very important to even look at the story of Adam and he Center, which is very different from the Christian story. Because the Christian, the Christian God, Lord, respect is not a loving God. With all due respect. I don't know how they've sold this narrative to the world. I don't know how they've done it probably with
colonialism, God knows. But I don't know how they sold this false narrative. Because how can you say God is perfectly loving in the Christian tradition? He's not perfectly forgiving. And forgiveness is the language of love.
Because in the in the biblical sense, you have Adam who falls for some grace, right? And God can't forgive him. There has to be a blood sacrifice. The forgiveness is not based on the relationship between creator and the creator created by there has to be based on something outside of that relationship, like a sacrifice or whatever the case may be. This is not maximum forgiveness.
Think about the story in the Quran, the Adamic story, Allah describes the fall of Adam and his wife,
as a slip.
And Allah What does Allah say, Allah says, and we turned to them, which indicates that we turn away from Allah. When you say oh, I'm not close to Allah, the think about who moved
We moved, we moved out, Adam alayhis salaam moved but Allah turned to them. And Allah told them words of forgiveness and they uttered them and Allah forgive them. famous words in the Quran, Robin Elena and Susana were filled Anna with a handle an akuna for city.
Allah subhanho wa Taala forgive him. Look at that maximum forgiveness. Let me give you two scenarios. It's not an example. But you could elaborate from greater reason.
Example Scenario number one, you have a king of a castle as seven of the castle, he does something wrong, and he goes to the king have done something wrong. King says, I can't forgive you. The only way I can forgive you is for me to kill my son. But not only to kill my son, you have to accept that I've killed my son.
Is that maximum forgiveness maximum love? No. Look at another scenario. King of a castle. Someone as seven makes a mistake does something wrong in the castle and it goes to the king. I've made a mistake. And the king tends to him and says say these words and I will forgive you. What is maximum forgiveness Scenario number one or sir number two, what's more in line with maximum forgiveness? It's Scenario number two scenarios. Scenario number one describes the biblical God. Scenario number two describes the Quranic code, Allah
Allahu Akbar. And remember, Adam and his father, Allah turn to our father and told him was a forgiveness, which by extrapolation means Allah turned to us and taught us words of forgiveness. All we have to do is ask Allah for forgiveness.
I hope that answers the questions. Yeah, I just want to make reference to a verse of the Quran and to a heavy as well that really get this point across. So the verse is chapter 39, verse
Well, it was final policies, say all my servants who have transgressed against themselves. So noting here as well, that they Omar hasn't wronged us we run ourselves, do not despair of the mercy of Allah subhanho wa Taala. Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, he is He Who is the Forgiving the merciful and this conditional here that the person turns to him and seeks repentance. And so Allah says in the Quran, he doesn't forgive shirk, that's on the condition that the person hasn't turned at seeks repentance, that is they've sincerely gone to him, and asked, and so there's another Hadith that really complements this. So beautiful Hadith. And it's one of the 40 Hadith could see. And it
says on the 40 of Ignace, may Allah be pleased with him. He said, I heard messenger of Allah subhanaw taala
sallallahu Sallam say, Allah, the Almighty said, Oh, son of Adam, so long as you call upon me and ask if me, I shall forgive you for what you have done. And I shall not mind or sort of Adam, Alex, where your sins to reach the clouds of the sky.
And where you then to ask forgiveness off me, I would forgive you, oh, son of Adam, were you to come to me with sins nearly as great as the earth. And you were to face me ascribing no partner to me, I would bring forgiveness nearly as great as it. It was related. It's at tirmidhi. Also by a humble and it's considered a sound heavy. So Allah, tala here is is making it so clear that that no matter how bad of a person, you've been, no matter to what degree your sins pile up into the earth, He can wipe them all away. And all it takes is for you to turn to Him. And for those who go, Oh, well, I could forgive more, how can you forgive more than all? You know, you can't do more than that. And
for those who say I would forgive someone, even if they didn't see forgiveness. So how is that is not wise. So what you need to understand is, Allah is not all merciful, is the Most Merciful. And what this suggests is that being All Merciful isn't praiseworthy. So we've got a perfect example to demonstrate the being All Merciful is not praiseworthy. So the example of the Christ Church killer now,
so, I was fortunate enough to have seen the video of this sick individual, and it was heartbreaking. And he showed no remorse. He acted like it was a computer game. He was proud of what he did. He would you know, and if he's in court, and he's before the judge, and he's made it clear that he's done it, everyone knows he's done it. There's video footage that, you know, he's not denying it. And he's showing he's proud. He's not remorseful, he's not seeking forgiveness. He'd say he'd do it again. He's justifying it and you know, he's
He's in a position where he's done what he's done. And he has no consideration whatsoever
for seeking forgiveness at all. Now, if the judge in this case was to say, you know what, I'm gonna have mercy on him, I forgive you. Yeah, you could call him, like, really what? merciful in this degree?
to I guess in some way, you can maybe even say that he was really forgiving. But is that just is it wise? Of course not. This example of mercy is, is an example of a idiotic mercy of a non praiseworthy form of Mercy. Mercy is a non maximum mercy. Absolutely. Yeah, bro. Just given this scenario. Should Hitler and Moses have the same fate?
Just intuitively, should Hitler and Moses have the same fate? If you believe they should have all the same fate to the same outcome, then in reality, you don't value anything? Because if everything is valued the same, then you don't value anything at all, which is not praiseworthy. It's not maximally perfect. That's not a maximal way of dealing with these realities. Are you saying Hitler and Moses should have the same outcome?
As the principle? Of course you wouldn't. It would be insane thing to say. It's just like when people say oh, I love everything. If you love everything, with all due respect, you don't have anything. If you love everything, you don't love anything at all. Because I even love the barriers to love. I even love hate. I don't love those things which prevent love from manifesting itself. It's such an insane thing to say, right? I love everything. Well, if you love everything, you don't love anything at all.
And similarly, and that's why value comes into play justice comes into play like use of eloquent he just expressed his love for her use of beautiful no problem. So yes, let's take some I mean, so sorry for keeping you waiting, but it's a picture. Yeah.
It looks like it. It looks a bit like Ebro looks a bit like
he's my doppelganger. Hey,
have you got? You want your computer?
I'm on. I'm on my phone with headphones. Now it's clear. Yeah, it sounds a bit better. No, there's no echo. No, no, there's Echo, I can hear
you. What we'll do is, when we're talking, we'll mute you. And then when we finish talking, we'll unmute so that you can see what you need to say inshallah.
So it's been several times, I've joined Sapiens. But it's first time I'm talking to start Hamza. So it's a very special moment for me. So basically, I have no actually question, but recently, I'm discussing with an agnostic,
agnostic. I don't personally, I don't personally know him. He's actually from Somalia, and then he
have gone to England. So then.
So I've been discussing him for several months.
So first of all, when a talk started with the existence of God, then I just, first I just shared the Kalam cosmological argument with him. Then, after after discussing it, he said to me that it does make sense to him, but then
he just said no, but at the end of the day, it doesn't make sense. So, he is not certain about
whether the argument is coherent or incoherent. Then we just moved on saying
about hell, which brother asked before me about the hell and a merciful God. So the fact is, when I give him when I give him give him an argument, he don't actually counter my argument or try to count a counter attack me or, or any arguments we just keep repeating the same thing that how Allah can bring me to hell just because I, I don't believe in him. And just reminds me of someone reminds me.
Yeah, well, yeah.
Yeah, so heavy. We loved him. I loved listening. It's as simple as that. Because, you see, it's not hacker allows me to help him and believe in him. No, it's basically you are choosing hell, because you're choosing to believe in Him when the truth comes apparent to you. And you could tell that his issue is not an intellectual because he doesn't have responses to intellectual arguments. He's got
something else is going on. And an emotive or psychological issue or even a spiritual issue. The point here is the questions wrong. It's like, I'm rejecting Allah, I'm closing the door to Allah's guidance image. We've mentioned this before, if you go on this livestream, hopefully we'll do the timestamps, and you see a more lengthy answer that we've elaborated on this. But basically, you are choosing hell over Allah. That's the point. Allah doesn't want anyone to go to hell we already mentioned before we've elaborated on this. The thing is, Allah does not run them, they run themselves, okay. So this is very critical for them to understand is that you are actually making
the choice. Right, you are making closing the stamp of your heart. I learned this from chef Shadi mostly, it was very beautiful video he did, it was very simple, but it's profound. He was like, you know, you keep on rejecting a lot of closing little cheese messy, you still got hope. When you keep on closing the door to His mercy and you keep closing the door to forgiveness, you keep on closing the door, you keep on don't want to go through that door that's open for you. And you keep on doing it, you keep on doing it, and then you've stumped your heart, then it's closed, right? So similar to that you're doing is you're doing. So what you need to do with that human beings get to them realize
that they actually have a responsibility. The option is open for them to go to Paradise, the option for Allah's forgiveness and love is there is waiting for them, they just have to walk through that door. That's what they have to not realize that's the paradigm shift, you have to explain to them.
And then you have to explain to them this actually, you're not willing to walk through that door. So you're sending yourself to the other direction, you're moving away from Paradise from eternal bliss, and you're throwing yourself into john. That's what they need to realize.
So if you go previously, but hopefully we will timestamp all the other questions. Because we elaborate on this in I think two different places in detail. So you know, I think this person needs
needs maybe an awareness of his needs some spirituality needs to understand our last names and attribute to Allah is what Allah wants from us. Because if he hasn't got responses to intellectual arguments, just like what you mentioned, the beginning about the metaphysical backdrop of the human being a winner, just an abstract intellect, there's an interplay between the power of the law, the fifth or so on and so forth. And the fifth it gets clouded. Maybe one of these clouds is not a rational argument, he needs some direct access to Revelation, all Muslims and attributes need some spirituality needs some positive experiences of Muslims, he may need some something else. So the
indication is there if he doesn't have responses to your rational arguments, there's something else that's going on in you to explore and inshallah with Rama with mercy and with ECMO with wisdom, you can do that appropriately. inshallah. Yeah, and also, be patient with them. Like, if you'd have met me, in my teenage years, maybe you would have thought the same.
I was, I could be quite arrogant, I could be quiet.
But not saying that I'm not now.
yeah, it was very hard headed and sure of myself in particular ways. And, you know, Allah,
Allah quoted, like, however, many years later, I embraced Islam, and now I actively propagate it. So, you know, you never know what the future holds. There's examples of this, even within the companions of the Prophet Mohammed, Salah Salem, may Allah be pleased with them all. Where you would look at how they treated the Prophet Muhammad Salah center. You know, there was one of them, I can't remember his name. May Allah be pleased with him who fought wars against the Muslims, and led the armies against them. And you know, he was involved in the killing of Muslims. And then, you know, by the grace of Allah subhanaw taala, he had a change of heart, he became a Muslim and then fought for
the Muslims, and led their armies in battle. So it's, you never know what parliament will need? Yes.
Sir, yeah, so keep that in mind as well. You know, just be patient with him. Sometimes your persistence is something that can rub off on them and open them up a little bit more help in as Hamza was mentioning at the beginning of the stream, sort of de cloud their Fedora because sometimes this is just a case of trying to clean away the dust before you can sort of you know, get to the shiny thing underneath. But yeah, be patient.
Is that for you? So those are
ethics in Islam most of them patience is the key to discipline as well and which is the key to success. Somebody is so important in my Warhammer 70 allies with the patient and there is so much benefit from this. I think one of the scholars said that the basis for all of the o'clock all of the morals and values in Islam is actually suffer. And I would even argue that's the basis for success because success is not just based on motivation is based on discipline and discipline requires suffer. So you still feel your patients narrative throughout this. This this stream, you're threading the stream with the patient narrative. You mentioned that more
One of the key wisdoms from the wisdoms of Mr. Pandit himself May Allah bless you
so I've been following you guys on the use of ponders herbal remedies. So I've just said to him what you just said now. So I'm saying that there is nothing to do the intellectual about so I just my objective to come to this live is just you say something for him then I will suggest him to see your talks on him. So I think there's something spiritual for him then nothing intellectual
forget you And you want to say anything to him, you've got a relationship with him, build a nice relationship with him and Muslim should come across to all people, Muslims and non Muslims as someone who is committed to the goodness and guidance on that person. The prophet SAW the logo it was some said love for Linares. We love peace of love for people will love for humanity we know for yourself. This isn't a Kabir maybe Buhari is he is authentic hadith and is similar to other Hadees they will talk about brotherhood and so on and so forth. And this means be committed to the goodness and guidance session build that trust build that relationship. Don't make it just about debates and
ego try and create awakenings within him inshallah you know, you'd be fine. inshallah,
coming closer for joining us today. alameen soleimani Allah. Thanks for joining me.
So we've got another guest here. Okay. salaam aleikum wa rahmatullah.
your mic is muted. You need to unmute your mic, so that you may talk and ask your question, inshallah.
How are you?
How are you?
You sound not, you sound like you've got your T shirt buried under a blanket.
A mic is not working with your
audio. You're quiet Inaudible. Maybe just ask your question, and then we'll answer it, but I don't think we're gonna be able to have like a conversation.
My question is this actually
How are you going to explain? Lauren, and Leanna?
If truth is objective, how are you going to explain? I think the best thing to do okay, is if you type your question in the comments will be easier. Because I won't. Yeah, we won't misrepresent you. And we'll answer your question. That'll be the best thing to do. Because your mic is quite inaudible so until you do that, we'll get someone else in sha Allah
says no one else in the back chat other than
Okay, so we can have a look, I guess we've How long are we planning on staying on for we're trying to hit the two hour mark, and then we'll go Yeah, we'll have about 20 minutes inshallah. Nice. A few more questions. Is anyone else that wants to come on? I think it'd be quite productive so far. hamdulillah. Yeah. The best streams have been on for a while. Obviously, apart from the Thor adventure podcast.
One of the best one, we've got evidence of the same. So we should go back. And you know,
there's something I've posted the link in the live chat. I've only posted it on savings Institute. I'm
sorry, the YouTube channel. So if you want to join, do click that link.
Michelle, I said we've got George.
click that link
to judge this. Are you on your computer?
While it goes on your computer?
You need to shut down the YouTube so that it's not playing twice. We can't hear you because I've muted you because of the echo. Sorry, sorry. It's okay. Did you close the YouTube? Do you sound like you got a Greek name? Of course. I've been trying to contact you for a long time.
You're good friends with Providence, Sean.
Yes, well, smarter. Jana. Yeah.
You speak Greek. Now? Yeah.
Hello, what's up? How
are you? Are you from Cyprus or Greece? Cyprus.
My mum's from Hong Kong. Sorry, via Hong Kong means village
Nia, you know
bhavnani lefkara Candyman Oh really? So my mom is from amaco store so she was
from the conflict Yes. So she's from October my one my Gran. He got me through and my granddad or Hamby they were there from Buffalo. Oh Buffett His
name is actually haraam boss, which means happy life. He does and you know,
he was actually very happy, like person like when it came to festivities he was always giving us money and fruit and cakes and he he likes to enjoy life, you know, so you're very great.
It's a very, very separate thing as a Greek Cypriot thing. I think Greek Cypriots are very more sometimes a little bit more I think energetic maybe in some cases. But anyway, so good to see you at YouTube Rosana come through Sonic compiler console Yeah, we've been river obviously me and my son hamdulillah.
Boy his was well we was on Soundcloud but talking about things like veganism and stuff. I've
spoken to many vegans is well had many debates and many talks about how they tried to say they're saving the planet and all this other I'm so rubbish. You know when you look at the stats, veganism is doing more damage than good for animals in this you know in what's going on today. It's like I just can't believe I mean I train in the gym and stuff like that and when to a quick story I used to weigh 100 million 180 kilos whoa was very bad way I was 94% body fat and it's because of my health I start I'm a chef now
it's it's only for me educating myself and also being Muslim because you know
first up and we know everything
I sounds like English is all I'll know
when you're CFA is a whole different kettle of fish it's
it's just enough in a Greek religion they say in Greek says be stiff kick me out of Now that means believe and don't question
that's why they are a huge problem since I was a young boy you know sorry I don't want to go off topic too much.
It's a pleasure to have you so
by no means am I perfect Muslim now up in my life was totally different before I was Muslim. You know, I mean, I used to be a job and bass DJ
I had a collection of a 4000 vinyl Well, I used to make a lot a lot of money as I was very good as well. So
did you MC always say no, it was all trombone bass trombone or the rest of it but Allah forgive me for it. Now I've got rid of everything. Not in it all the turntables have all gone hamdulillah But
are you sure from your own restaurant? You will have my own business? Yes. All our food is chemical free.
from it, bro tell us it's called uncle g co my fried chicken cow where street food business? Where is it? It's all over the UK where mobile is street food. Oh, brilliant. Yeah, we're trying to be a brand name.
Have you got website?
Please look it up. It's mainly on Facebook. It's your first post the link in the private chat and
it's not just Hello is GMO and MSG free. Wow. Brilliant. my hands and my son on hamdulillah he's now my business partner with just a weekend at Silverstone racing.
Excuse me we've had like three hours sleep in three days. But I want to ask about you 100 kilos if you don't mind me asking where are you now in your stage of physics 126 so you've lost nearly 60 kilos
but now on lift a lot heavier weights
since I was 10 that is inspirational but
a lot of it was to me being a Muslim because I was a very closed minded separate as in a lot you know our secrets were like I wouldn't accept anything external of out of what I know. And for me it was a one problem that I hated
is now I love my heart we're very party Sham a work to them. I didn't want to work with a Muslim because when the guy speak English I used to work with you guys. By the way you're going to work with a Muslim I said no.
Because he's one of them, guys.
Well, I'll give you praise and all that, oh, I don't want to work for him. And I had to work with him. And he annoyed me because he was so nice to me.
There's me getting my Bible like I brought that dude, that's war. You know, I'm ready. I'm Greek. I'm proud. That's it.
It was crazy. He didn't mention one word to me about Islam. Nothing to do with the Sunnah of the Prophet sallallahu wasallam. He was just find the Bible back. And I was like, No, you can't read this. No, you can't do that. And that time, I was heading in a really bad health I was in. I was in really bad health at the time. And
I was watching all the videos with him, which are finally for my parents that listen to check it out my show last night, so many shades. And it was like, wow, this can't be true. This, what I've known all my life because I've, I've researched core, seventh baptism, Jehovah's Witness, Hindu. You name it. I've read it up in the book. And look, I've spoken to the people in the face. And then the Greeks were the buff when I first went to the priests because of my bias. Yes. When you speak to them, this guy angry.
He gets angry, believe in that question. And I'm not if that's the case, why did God give us a brain? That's what our question. And also I'll be very honest, my intellect wasn't that great back then. Because I knew what I knew from my family. I didn't to be a man to be a husband. And to be an into how to be an individual to so their way was was absolutely what Huawei living.
It was only when I become Muslim. And my brother, he showed me at a time when I fell sick. One thing stuck in my head. He said to me, don't die without being a believer for one.
And I was in hospital abroad for let's say, our black couple seconds. And 100 love the grace of Allah.
I was back. And as soon as I got the hospital, I said, I didn't even read Quran I didn't read. I didn't read nothing. All I knew was things were sticking in my head and I should get angry. Very, very. I was at war with myself. When I come out hospital I, I'm really sorry guys go way off topic or topic. Okay.
So I said to him, Hey, I want to take Shahada what I
have to I found the most stupidest thing in the world. Just before Allah forgive me, please. I had a bacon stand.
so pathetic, isn't it? You know, as critics were poking cupboards of laggy you know?
Or, you know, it's crazy because 100 la Machado love was a was an emotional crying. And my wife and my wife at the time, was not Muslim.
And she took it, she took it back, but unfortunately we're getting divorced.
she didn't know my son.
I told her, right she, she wasn't.
She's not even their own life. But Allah has given us about a car because we've now moved out of London.
Right? People live in a beautiful place. My business hamdulillah and it's just when you realize that when you can educate yourself as an individual to more than your mind and spirit Oh, she's speaking to people like you Hamza Mashallah, Bob, I've been listening to you. And as I said Zhi Shan because that means he shall really close but
I want to I want to, I want to do soup law for hanza we got to do it.
The shank comes in to me often.
And he goes, Bob, okay, you know, hook it up. Rob. I will get up Rob.
I love to cook for people. It's my passion.
I'm actually doing a new concept of food. You know, you know you don't don't need
diarrhea. Yeah, yeah, call it Java beans. You wound in great. Yes. In the concept of that Scott. Cool. So um, I love to cook or very much I'm very passionate about good food. And yeah, I've mixed with some of the stories now I'm so sorry. But um, yes. is when as we develop I mean I'm 50 I'm 52 on Saturday.
the best thing I have always been a Muslim because my son Mashallah he's 21 and respectful young man trying to find them a wife inshallah whatnot myself as well.
I mean, I mean
he's such a lovely young lad. He's He's very respectable who sue you guys.
Uncle, he's not clean, help him clean up and damage my foot a little bit. But bless. You know, he's such an amazing young man and, you know,
you know the lock at 21 there was no I was like a 21 Yeah. Don't ask me why
I refuse to repeat those words. But yeah. I mean, when when people talk to me about meats and foods, what's killing us? It's annoying, but even in the gym, I get it. I mean, I train really heavy.
When I'm training hard peak, our vertical benchpress about 250 or less.
Yeah. Wait, wait, wait, wait, your turn of 50 kilos. Yeah.
not flat vertical. Or you're obese.
And I used to
and I was fine.
And when I used to kick my power when I start kicking power was crazy. joins me in this hopefully in the next couple of months, because I've been going to the gym lately as well. Like heavy
and heavy. Have I gone off my weekend? I used to have I mean lots of good food.
I used to
wait because I used to do boxing and stuff. Yeah.
Yeah, what I want to do is I want to meet up with you go to the gym together and we have a good go.
Lucky yet. Yes.
I'll cook for you bar. No problem. Do you know I've learned over the years people. Listen, we need vegetables 100% it's an essential part of our part. But we also need meats. meats are key fat will tend to have I was an absolute disaster in health. I've got things I can't get rid of. But for things like this, I have the gullies. These are quite cool. These are good for muscle repair. And really, really good. Okay, this is a apple cider vinegar, paper and pomegranate really good stuff. So I'm promoting other brands. I'm sorry, but
I'll take shots of tumeric organic tumeric that's very good. information. Yeah, it is garlic. I'll take every morning
everyone I'm knocking shots and all this stuff. And I'm much more if I found it too many students are bred
stay away from a lot of bread. I try to you know, when you see enough bit of bread, you can't resist it. But he has. Especially as Greeks, man Greeks. Oh, you know, our bridezilla went out the oven. Oh. Especially the especially the vintage bread, bro. Oh, there's nothing.
Honestly, it's like really?
obvious like, you could just it's like it melts, bro. It does melt. Oh, yes. You cannot fit butter on it. Oh, you can't open it.
Upon honey Holloman.
Honey, I think I've hadn't heard of you. But let me think about how Lumi broke. You know, it's
like from the court. It's a separate cheesier and that Hulu me is the probably the best cheese on the planet.
And it's nice and soft. It's like an alternative to me. Because, by the way, I want to take on a shocking role. I was my dad, my dad's from Greece born and
he's from Iraq. My mom's from Cyprus. But listen to this. I was brought up pescatarian No, yeah.
I get flack. Now. Greeks told me when I got an E book. Oh my god. It's like when you walk into a room and someone said in a big room, and somebody says What do you mean Kitani? everything stops a golf breaks.
That kind of moment. You know, I mean, is that like even my Greek Wedding when the guy says I don't mean what do you mean
don't worry, I cook you
Love it. Love it. It's true. It's true. It's not heard of on my estimate loans are loans that will be smoked pork loin. I can especially made as beef, Allah wave hamdulillah beautiful testament four times the price. And I used to disappear sandwiches you want to my shots. And the critics have accused me it is three times the price more expensive, fake loser.
You're selling fake stuff
on saving your life.
You know, disgusting, smelly pig.
And I'll, I'll give you my email so we could touch base together and inshallah in the next couple of months, we'll try and meet up with you. We're going to ask a question about veganism. Yeah, I mean, so many people are jumping on this. I know guys that train really hard and
Have you and a good friend of mine antique he shredded he's absolutely shredded. And because we I'm turning vegan must be stupid because we will it cost me I gotta be stupid. It's not sustainable. This is a fad. This is science guys. This is science. I'm sorry. If anyone's openly bring on his science you need me and the story is from Allah subhanaw taala he has done it too much. We do. We are in a nation. It's too much meat. Totally, totally agree with that. You need your greens. I know someone who stuck on greens he got he got gout. He was one of the owners of a gym Greek on himself. And he was all like, yeah, young 54 atomic now me I said You're crazy. Cuz red means bad. Because
now you still be in pig. Don't get it mix it up, he thinks is all across the board. I read about what pig does to you. It touches it's filled in four hours. I said you're not it's full of cancer as possible. It's revolting. How why would you want to eat that crap? Oh, so this is not cultural slaughterhouse look, learn to understand how the grass or animals is so clean. And the pigs do and if so, George, we gave a kind of answer to veganism A while ago, we'll have it on the timestamps. I want to ask you a question. I want you to end on this actually in a nice way. He's give some advice to the Greek Cypriot community about Islam.
give the Greeks Don't open your minds guys. Open your minds. Please focus upon Allah. You don't know. One book you mentioned the gift of Allah is
something undescribable is something that
you can be the biggest strongest guy in the world but when you send the next
from Allah, you're you're that you're that tiny little molecule. And you give a lot of praise and be thankful and understand that.
People when you say the word Muslim, especially Craig's he's a Muslim Oh, but people don't talk to me again. Other people swear at me and my people don't want to come around my house. Are you got all that? dodgy? Hello me.
They do something to the site, in the name of God, and Animoto as a painless death.
You know, I've spoken to a few Greeks. You know, listen,
you've you've you've given up your favorite all that selling.
In our office last October, a few more friends found out I was Muslim. A few.
Can I shake your hand? Because Nah, man, give me a hug.
Give me a hug, bro. Because Hey, you Muslim. Why? Because I read a lot. I read a bunch I understood, understood why people pray five times a day and why we fast, unfortunately, in foster care, because I'm not feeling that. Well, by law. Forgive me for that he shot law, but we have a purpose in life. I have a purpose in life. My business has a purpose as a Muslim, because everything I do is from here. And it's Oh, hello. And I see a lot of problems out there. Opportunities today. I'm sorry to say this chicken shops, all these chemical based stuff and pumping in the food, not questioning anything. Selling frozen products, not caring what they're given to our fellow brothers and sisters,
Muslims and non Muslims. Yes, you know, we have a responsibility. It's not just about the money. Yes, it's about what Allah says. The halal in the time that had the permissible and the pure. So what we're doing, you're fulfilling the verse of the Quran, bro. So not only is it lol, but it's pure. There's no chemicals, there's no GMO and all of those things. Well bless you man.
You know, I would I know we've moved away from the stream a little bit. Forgive me I'm sorry. Now.
You give it a life enjoy to the stream
and preserve all of you and grant you pious wives I mean, long and unhealthy and righteous life and bring you together in love by the glory of Allah subhana wa.
He gave me an idea hopelessness back
to admins on the stream is a problem that God gave me an idea. Do you like a little light? I'm thinking of how I can link everything to like
a lighthouse seminar sort of thing where you have a gathering and and get brother George cooking up some screen somewhere as well.
You know what's very interesting about people like George
it's the authenticity. Yeah. Something that we should revive in the dollar because authenticity coming from a space and a
place that is full of love and want to, you know, has dedicated people's well being and be was goodness and guidance, you can't beat that no matter how any type of articulation intellectualization I'm telling you people remember how you made them felt, and not necessarily what you said. And if all of the dots were like George, for example, that kind of character.
Though shake my head, give me a hug.
loves cooking was to provide for people that are key to the well being. This is exactly what we're talking about advanced our training course in the characteristics of the arts as well. And this is also your behavior your character could be could be a means to unplowed, the mitzvah to awaken the truth within because we talk about this as an approach of uncovering the fitrah. Because even if you look at statistics, a lot of people who change their religion, it's not necessarily for ideological, intellectual reasons is because of also the kind of social norms or the kind of behavior of the people and the character and so on and so forth. So it's very important, you know, be like George,
bless him and his son and his family and make easy for him. I mean, I mean, I mean, let's take one more than we call it a table. Yeah, no, is so brother Alma. It's been waiting a little bit in the back. But we have got a question from Okay, as well. Okay, if you're still watching, and because it's a bit of a big question, it's probably best that you send us an email, and then I can email you back. And if I can't find me on my cell phone, I get someone else to email you. But I've taken a note of the question. So please do make sure that you email us on. Which 1am I giving him info? Or perhaps, maybe give him the lighthouse one? Yeah. But it's a lighthouse at Sapiens institute.org. If
you email us on that I can try and get that answer for you. But Omar says he's going to keep it brief. And we've been we've hit the two hour mark now. So
while it's not too late, we're
going to reply with a better send him and me.
Are you doing? Good. So it's a pleasure to meet you guys. Find me bro. My question is about shake. So shake means associating partners with Allah. And Allah is regarding that as the biggest sin in humanity right there that humans can do. But I see that the main thing that we're seeing is not really sure, but it's more like atheism, which is not believing in Allah in the first place. But the mention of that and upper on is,
if it exists, is not nearly as frequent as chittick. So the majority of the world, not the majority, a lot of the people in the world do not believe that Allah exists in the first place. They're not worshipping Him and other partners with him. So my question, thank you. Oh, how are you bro? I'm 20 September I'll be 21 Mashallah. Very bright, bright, young man, Allah bless you and increase you and make you a positive light for all the people in the world. And your question obviously shows that you have intelligence and insight.
No problem. And may Allah bless your parents for facilitating that. I mean, I mean, they live in they live in Saudi Arabia. So and yeah, I totally love what you guys and about EF dal and all these people, like they've been a great influence in my life. And I helped influence another Jehovah's Witness, she became a Muslim and now Allah,
Allah reward you for beautiful. So this is we are answering the question about atheism issue.
Let me explain why. So when you talk about critical associated parties with God, you could call it associationism. Right? So let's really break down what do we mean by panel autonomy. So first and foremost, we affirm the fact that Allah subhanho wa Taala is one with regards to his creative power. He is the only unique soul transcendent master creator owner, Master of everything that exists. And anyone who basically gives these descriptions to other than Allah, this is a form of association ism. Then you have Allah's the oneness of all those names and attributes. We believe Allah's names and attributes are transcendent, we affirm them that to the highest degree possible and they have no
deficiency no flaw. And we base if we compare Allah's names and attributes to a created thing, then what we've done is a form of humanization. If you compare a human attribute to Allah make it the same. What we've done is deification and those things are associationism. It's shook. Also we affirm the oneness of Allah divinity, meaning that Allah is the only being worthy of worship most direct and singular, all acts of worship to him alone. If we worship other than Allah, this is also associationism. So how does atheism fit in? atheists fits in in the first thing that we spoke about the oneness of Allah is creative power. If you reject Allah's creative power, and even if you
rejected things and attributes, scholars say that this is shook as well.
By virtue of its rejection, why? Because you have to, you have to give those attributes implicitly or explicitly to something else. So when you say there is no creator, then you have to get the attribute of creating everything to something else. Right? Even if they say it came from nothing, you're giving nothing that ability, right? So from that perspective, schicke is associationism as well, because remember, if you don't single out and are all acts of worship to Allah alone, you're actually going to, you're going to be doing it to something else. So what's an act of worship? An act of worship includes the internal acts of worship and the acts of the heart. And the external
acts of worship are the acts of the lens. So that internal acts of worship include ultimate love and ultimate gratitude and extensive praise. If you don't believe in Allah, if you reject Allah, as an atheist, you're going to give something your ultimate love other than Allah, you're going to give something your ultimate gratitude to other than Allah, and you're going to give something your ultimate extensive praise to other than Allah. So by virtue of that, atheism is Schick.
Does that make sense? I see what if someone is giving all of these things to just one thing, that is not a lot. That's too sure. Right, because it's other than a lot, you associationism. So if they direct, ultimate gratitude, for example, to the universe, or the direct, ultimate love to a living being extensive praise to an idea or ideology, other than Allah, that is also for moshiach. Because that
value hierarchy if Allah should be at the top of it, and if you stop believing in it, it's a pyramid, there's always if you put that at the bottom, there's something new at the top of the pyramid, it's not, the pyramid just doesn't dissolve. There's always something. That's a beautiful way of doing it. Thank you so much. I appreciate I don't take much of your time, I think Yeah, just
thank you. So why, like, what is the sisters? Honestly, you know,
it's, we have over 220 people on this livestream. And
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