Haleh Banani – MindFul Ramadan 2024 – TikTok Sensation to Muslim Convert – Megan Rice – Quran Club Experience

Haleh Banani
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Brother Wadud.

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Sister Holly. How are you?

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This interview,

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this is gonna be something

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really amazing.

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We

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got

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sister Megan Rice.

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Yeah. It's just amazing. You know, like, when

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like, right in the middle of that crisis

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in Palestine, we were

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all of a sudden, like, her feet came

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up, and she was just, like, this non

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Muslim person picking up the Quran and excitingly

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connecting with it and and reading to it.

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And I was like, who's this person that

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not even Muslim that can

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and, like, talk into my heart. You know?

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Yes. Yes. I had that same feeling.

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And just seeing her reaction for those who

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may not know her,

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sister Megan Rice started reading the Quran. She

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actually started a book club,

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and it was reading the Quran. And it

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went from, like, 800 to, like, 5,000

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to 16,000 people reading the Quran online.

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And,

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so that, you know and then after all

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of that, she embraced Islam. So we're gonna

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find out about her journey,

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some of the struggles.

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And this is mindful Ramadan, and Ramadan is

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a month where Quran was filled, and I

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feel like fitting interview for this Mindful Ramadan

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series. So excited.

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I know. I am too. It's just, you

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know, she has a beautiful

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energy,

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beautiful sense of curiosity,

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which sometimes we lack as

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as born Muslim. We we start reading the

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Quran as a as a thing to do,

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as as something to check off.

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But I'm really excited to hear about how

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she views it and how we can all

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adapt to the way we look at the

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Quran with a bit more curiosity.

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Yeah. The way we connect to the Quran

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this term on the beautiful, beautiful reminder, inshallah.

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It's a good takeaway for me, inshallah. Alhamdulillah.

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Me too. Me too.

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And welcome to a mindful Ramadan

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transformed by the light, inspiring stories of converts.

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And welcome everyone to this beautiful series of

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mindful Ramadan. We're so excited today to have

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a special guest with me and my cohost,

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sister Hale Banani. Sister Hale? Assalamu alaikum.

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We are thrilled to have you, sister Megan.

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I'm thrilled. I'm the here. Go ahead. Sister

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Megan, this is such an honor to have

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you here in this series we're doing on

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mindful Ramadan

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and transformed by light,

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and I just want to, you know,

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introducing you, I'm thinking about these moments when

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all of us tuned in. You know, we're

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in the middle of this crisis around the

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world, and we're looking at, you know, this

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horror story, like, unfolding in front of our

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eyes. And all of a sudden, there are

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all these glimpses of lights

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and

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kind of showing us that hope and that

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solidarity, and we stumble upon your video.

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And you just pick up a Quran,

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and you start just reading the Quran.

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And we start tuning in, and this is

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probably one of the first time we're actually

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listening to the the seed of the Quran

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from a non Muslim.

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True.

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And you're you just have all these beautiful

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thing that you know, and many of our

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teachers, they said that when we read the

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Quran, we should be reading it from the

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heart. We should activate our emotions. We should

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have, like, love and hope and fear and

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all those different emotions attached to the Quran,

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and you had all of these things personified,

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the way that you are connecting and showing

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us our emotions and getting into it. Mhmm.

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And there are reflections that you shared that

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I felt like many of us Muslims even

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wouldn't be able to, like, get to that

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level of depth. So it was a beautiful

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moment to see you, you know, just picking

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up the Quran and reading through it. Tell

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us about your story. Tell us about that

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moment. You know, what led you to it,

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and what happened?

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Sure. So it all,

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happened with a video after October 7th

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like many other

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activists. I've I've been an activist for for

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17 years as as background of this.

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But many activists took to social media

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as a call to action to get people's

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attention

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on what was happening in Palestine.

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So

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as I was watching the footage that everyone

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else was watching, what I did notice as

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a non religious person

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was

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that

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even the most horrific things that were happening

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to Palestinian people,

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even the the worst that

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anyone could imagine as far as losing their

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children are concerned and and holding their children's

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bodies in their hands, they were still saying

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things like,

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and they were still saying

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thank God and they were still praying to

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Allah

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And at the time,

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especially as a nonreligious person who who believed

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in God but has had a tumultuous relationship

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with God through the years,

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I didn't understand that level of faith. And

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so I decided to make a video,

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and I I just opened the conversation up

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to my followers and said, can we talk

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about Palestinian faith real quick and how ironclad

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and steadfast it is? Because it really isn't

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anything

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like I've ever I haven't seen anything like

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it. And the it seemed like the entire

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Umrah showed up in the comments and said,

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you know, this is Islam. You should read

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the Quran. And at the time, I did

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have time to

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to pick it up and read. And so

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I that's exactly what I I decided to

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do. I had read the Bible in the

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past, and I

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still found it to be to be beautiful,

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but there were so many contradictions that

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I couldn't really take it at face value

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or I really couldn't take it. I didn't

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know which to believe and which was added

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and what was taken away just throughout human

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history.

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And

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so when I started reading Lakota n, it

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it

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just I I was surprised to read activism.

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I was surprised to read

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justice

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and equality and and all of the things

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that I was fighting for

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and believed in anyway. So

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It resonated with you. It resonated with your

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belief system.

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And what I loved was your just your

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raw

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your reactions were just so incredible, especially that

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time when you were doing the embryology

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and your reaction, and you're looking it up,

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and when was this founded? And you and

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it's just it was so refreshing.

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And as a, you know, as a born

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Muslim to see that kind of excitement

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and that kind of, like, just

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looking and seeing the how it impacted you

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on the spot was I what I thought

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was very powerful.

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I'm a science geek anyway, and and

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so to to read and and there are

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quite a few of those moments in the

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Quran where where science shows up and

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even off camera, you know, away from from

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lives and everything, I was still googling while

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I was reading. The Quran just to match

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up the timeline of humanity actually discovered

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discovered some of the things in it versus

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when the Quran was was revealed, which was

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1400 years ago as we know.

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So, yeah, it it was a it was

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a very fascinating,

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eye opening experience from the from the first

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moment I I opened the book.

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Beautiful. Brother Waddud, you wanted to Like, you

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just picked up the Quran and you started

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to do the book club or do the

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Quran. Like, what how did this

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when did it go from, like, a personal

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thing to, like, this communal thing, and who

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are joining in?

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The reason why I decided to take reading

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the Quran public instead

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of reading it just privately,

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was that I saw an uptick in Islamophobia,

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and that really did scare me. And I

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remember how bad Islamophobia

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was after 911 even then as a child

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at the time. I was only, you know,

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11, 12 years old at that time, so

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I didn't want to see something like that

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happen again

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worldwide.

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And so my idea of taking Reading the

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Quran Public was,

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it wasn't for the purpose of converting any

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it never was. It never was for the

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purpose of converting anyone or bringing anyone to

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Islam. It was to

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dispel some of the misconceptions

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that media has and and western powers around

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the world. Just a lot of misconceptions that

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have been pushed

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about Islam.

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I just invited people that were not Muslim

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and Muslims alike. I I just invited everyone

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to read together and find out that it

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wasn't this

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evil, scary

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And it was actually something that was that

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was very beautiful, and, it was never my

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intention to revert, of course. It was

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You just wanted to learn. You wanted to

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learn. And I think, you know, if you

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look at every book of Hadith, it starts

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with

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that verily your deeds are by your intentions

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and your intention was so pure you wanted

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to learn you wanted to know what do

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they have. I want some of that. Right?

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I wanna I want some of what the

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Palestinians

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have that they are able to handle the

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biggest losses with such grace and with such

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faith and with such acceptance.

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And you also wanted to avoid people from

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being harmed.

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So the fact that you had that pure

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intention, I feel that,

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subhanAllah,

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Allah opened up the path for you

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and helped you to see,

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see things in a way

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that maybe others would not have had. Because

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some people start reading the Quran to find

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flaws in it. Others study it to debate,

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but you went in for all the right

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reasons. You wanted to know what makes people

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believe in it in this way

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and also just with curiosity

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and sincerity.

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Yeah. Yeah. Beautiful. And, you know, that sense

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of presence, like, you are just open

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and curious, and a lot of times we

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go in

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kind of closed. We don't open ourselves up.

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We receive. You know? And then Allah says

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that when you listen to the Quran

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and listen, really be present and really listen

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in so that you can receive the mercy

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of God. And a lot of times when

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you were listening, you know, Imam Ghazali mentioned

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that the people of, the people that are

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closest to God, they don't listen to because

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they listen through their heart.

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Yes.

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Have this sense of openness and that beginner's

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mind and just being curious and present. A

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lot of times, we're not present, and you

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were really present in the way that you

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showed up, and it made us present when

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you were listening. Yes. We loved it. I

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love I would always show your videos

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to to my kids. They're older.

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They're 24, 22,

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and and 19. But I'm like, you gotta

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see this. You gotta see her reactions because

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it was just so genuine,

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beautiful.

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And Allah says in the Quran,

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That and those who strive for us, we

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will surely guide them to our ways. And

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indeed,

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Allah is with the doers of good. So

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you were doing good. You wanted to learn,

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and you're passing it on. So,

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That's I think that's where the guidance came

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from, your your sincerity.

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Anala, I I have a question. So while

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you're reading, so when did that happen that

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you went into with this intention and then

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all of a sudden the opening came where

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you felt like it's not just about reading

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or not just about standing up for justice

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or sharing, you know, or removing misconceptions.

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I feel that this is something that this

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faith is something that it belongs to me.

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I should subscribe to this. When did that

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moment happen? How did that happen? Happen? That

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moment

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was

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I

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am am asked that question

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quite a bit, and it's very difficult to

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pinpoint an exact moment

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because from the very beginning

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of starting to read the Quran, what I

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noticed was that

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the Allah,

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the god that I was reading in the

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in the Quran, was the first time that

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god or Allah matched

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how I saw god.

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So I would say it it pretty much

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was from the very beginning. It it was,

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a lot of people ask, like, what was

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the moment that kinda opened things up for

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me? But it wasn't necessarily like a an

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enlightenment. It was more of a validation.

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It was more just a reassurance

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of

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the core beliefs and the connection

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I had already had with God. I just

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found a

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religion or,

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spirituality that actually matched

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Matched it. What I've been feeling. Yeah. That's

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an unbelievable answer there, you know, because they

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said in the Quran, it says that Allah

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asked that God had actually

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allowed the or the souls to witness God,

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and he

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told people that, am I not your lord?

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And the souls witnessed him and said, of

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course, you are our lord. You are our

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creator. So the soul deep down knows. You

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know? And then sometimes we just need that

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recalibration,

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and we can kind of sense

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that truth if we really are open to

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it. Yes. And you had said,

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that concept of turning the other

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cheek never made sense to you. You know?

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If someone is hitting you, you wanna defend

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yourself.

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And when you started reading

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about the justice in Islam and that oppression

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is worse than murder,

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and all of this, upon Allah, really resonated

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with you because you're an activist. And and

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it just

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reaffirmed

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your beliefs.

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Correct?

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Exactly right. Exactly right. Now as as far

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as the turning the other cheek

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is concerned,

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I think I've calmed down quite a bit

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since

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then, and I probably would opt for forgiveness.

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But,

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at the time, when emotions were high, I

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I just I'd love that passage where, of

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course, we I shouldn't sit here and, you

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know,

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have to turn the other cheek. But,

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yes, the as far as oppression is worse

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than than murder, that resonated

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so deeply

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Mhmm. With me and made so much sense

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because just coming from

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all kinds of intersectional

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marginalities myself, it was a lived experience that

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that

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I could speak to or that I could

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relate to. So that

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for sure was was one of the passages

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that I was incredibly impressed with.

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You know, I I'm a faith based counselor.

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I've been doing this for 3 decades. And

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so I'm fascinated by the soul, by the

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nafs, and how the nafs is and I'm

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sure you've been reading about it and how

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it has, like, three levels. Right?

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And the is

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having that self knowledge. Right? And it's the

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self awareness and self accountability.

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So we have the lower nafs, which is

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that it just tells you, like, go. Yeah.

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Live it up. Do this. Whatever feels good.

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Right?

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And then you have the self reproaching nafs,

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which is,

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nafsina

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nafsilawama.

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That's the one you do it, and you're,

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oh, god. I shouldn't have done this. And

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you're just, like, you feel guilt, and there's

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that feeling of, I wanna correct myself.

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And then the 3rd nafs, which is like

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the tranquil

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soul, and that's the nafs al mutmahinnah.

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Right? Like, that is when you are certain

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and your nafs, your soul is actually guiding

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you towards good rather than evil. So it's

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it's tamed.

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Right? It's like, you know, that great analogy

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I heard is that when you're on a

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horse and you are telling the horse where

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to go. So the horse is your nuffs

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and you're guiding it. You're not letting it

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guide you.

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So

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that internal

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struggle

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the prophet salallahu alaihi sallam called the jihad

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and nafs the bigger battle. So they finished

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the battle, and he's like, now we need

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to go to the big battle, and that

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is the jihad and that's like the battle

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within yourself to overcome your desires, your base

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self, your reactionary

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self. So I'm just curious to see

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how that has been for you because you've

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had to make so many changes becoming

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a Muslim. You've had to overcome so much.

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So how is that the nafs,

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the struggle with your soul? What has that

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been like for you?

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That's a good question.

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I think that I

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the the journey has been a bit more

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a bit different for me because

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that journey has been lifelong, and,

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I've only recently learned

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to forgive myself

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for a lot of things

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and see myself as

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human.

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That doesn't necessarily mean that I give myself

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a pass to,

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to sin prior to it happening or like

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that. But if it does happen, since it

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does happen with all of us,

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it's easier for me to recognize

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just how I got there in that moment,

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and

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recognize it to a point where I know

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I won't repeat

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that behavior, but ultimately forgive myself because I

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know that imperfection is in my design.

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Beautiful. I was, you know, sister Holly, you

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know about David Ricco's work and

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guilt, and he separates it in 2 different

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categories. 1 is that neurotic guilt

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that gets us

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lower, you know, our shortcomings than our things

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that we're not proud of, and we're just

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stuck to the point that it it doesn't

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give us that forward movement.

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And then the healthy, you know, sense of

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guilt, which gives us a sense of accountability

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where we're taking actions to overcome

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and move forward.

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And we see that the prophet

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had these beautiful teaching,

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and Ramadan is all about that cleansing. Right?

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That the sahabha qib and said, I made

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this mistake, and how can I even be

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forgiven? And the prophet said, say and repent

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and really, you know, come back and return

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to your lord in this sincere way, and

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you told him to recite this this tafar

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to come back to Allah. You know, 3

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times, and he said, now god has forgiven

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you. Now move. Now go. Now go. God

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has forgiven. So so that go, a lot

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of times as human beings, we get stuck

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in that past,

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and the go doesn't happen. Like, to visualize

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that Allah is literally forgiving me when I

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say, Allah, I return to you. I ask

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your forgiveness. Cleanse me.

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Cleanse me. Forgive me, and now hold me

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in your mercy. And Allah says,

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Allah Allah loves those,

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meaning that everybody's gonna make mistakes, but if

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you come back, he loves it. He loves

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you, and he's so loving that his doors

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are always open for you, and you should

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be able to now move forward. And this

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Ramadan should be above that, not getting stuck

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in the past,

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but coming back and moving forward.

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Yes. The best of sinners are those who

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do toba, and that was such a nice

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reminder. And I I loved, how you, sister

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Megan, mentioned about self forgiveness because sometimes we're

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able to forgive others and we're not able

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to forgive ourself of our, you know, shortcomings

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or things that we did. And it's so

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critical

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to have that self compassion

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and be able

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to nurture ourself and know we did the

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best that we knew

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at the time and be able to let

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go of that and not be immobilized.

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So that's very critical.

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Tell us about how has your life changed?

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Like, what are what are some of the,

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the benefits,

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some of the

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insights, maybe

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peace, tranquility? What what have you experienced?

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I would say the biggest benefit is just

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feeling that

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direct connection with Allah

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and,

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where that was just

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very it it it it was in and

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out before. Sometimes it felt really strong, and

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then sometimes it felt really distant.

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Sometimes it I didn't feel it at all

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prior.

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And now

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just through through regular practice of salaf and

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and making du'at,

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it's just a lot

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easier

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to take that time

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as one on one time with with

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me and Allah

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and just having an an very open, very

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honest, very raw conversation

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with Allah. And

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so I would say that has been the

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most beneficial.

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So is that direct relationship with Allah

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that you find in prayer? And I love

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when you in one of your talks, you

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talked about your your first Fajr. Right? Your

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first fudger prayer.

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Can you share with the audience about that?

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Yeah. I was I was brand new. I

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was it was right

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after

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I I took my Shahada, and I just

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wanted to

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try it out.

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It this could've actually been, like, right before

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I took my shot, actually. I I now

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it's like a blur because I was trying

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some stuff out before ultimately taking it. But

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I got up,

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and I performed the voodoo, and I had

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my little chart and to make sure that

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I was performing it right. And I came

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out, and I had my key block, and

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I lined up my prayer mat

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just right, and I laid it out.

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And then I stood there,

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and I had no idea what to do

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from there. So I just said,

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peace me, and then

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I went back to bed. That's beautiful.

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I love it. I love it. I mean,

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you showed up. Right? That was the first

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step. And that's so important not to have

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the fear

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of doing something maybe wrong. And you're just

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you're taking that step and you know that

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Allah is all merciful. And then you you

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learn, and now you have this beautiful connection.

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Masha'Allah. That's impressive.

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Right. I'm I'm glad that I finally figured

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out I could actually, you know,

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open up a YouTube video or something to

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be Right.

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To be able to perform it. But, yeah,

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in the very beginning, I had no idea

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that was just a that was just a

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very

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new revert moment.

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You know, like, that's showing up, like, you

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what you just mentioned, sister Holly. Like, how

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how we should show up is such a

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beautiful lesson

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that if when we don't know or we're

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not

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you know, we don't have to have everything

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right to show up because

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and that's how you sometimes move forward just

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by showing up. So what a beautiful story.

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It's a beautiful story. And the fact that,

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you know, you you took your shahada,

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and, brother Wadud alluded to this

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earlier

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that, you know, everyone was in such a

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sense of,

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we felt we're all feeling so devastated

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about what was happening to the Palestinians, and

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and there's just so much feelings of,

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sadness and helplessness

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and hopelessness

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for some people.

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But, you know, having you converts upon Allah

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and the way you just spread light. Right?

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You spread light.

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And you hadn't planned on it, but it

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was one of those things that we always

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say as Muslims that there's a wisdom.

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There is wisdom in everything that happens,

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and we don't question Allah. We and I've

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always taught my kids, you know, you have

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to have, like, etiquette with Allah. You don't

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say, why is this happening? You know? You

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say, you Allah, what is the wisdom?

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And

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part of the wisdom, we felt that it

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was

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people like

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yourself reading the Quran and and and learning

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about what's happening in Palestine and and converting.

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It's just it really

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you can't imagine

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the,

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the it was kinda like a balm. You

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know? It's like the soothing balm on our,

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on a on a major wound on the

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ummah.

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And people such as yourself, it just created

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that feeling of, okay, there is good that

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is coming out of this, very tragic

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incident.

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Yeah. How how what is your what are

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your advice, your guidance to everyone that's watching?

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This Ramadan is gonna be

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emotional for Muslims. Right? We're all having this

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we're trying to get over this collective trauma

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where we we're

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experiencing it. We're still

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in the middle of it. And

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how do we approach this Ramadan in a

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way that can be healing for us? What

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what should we be doing? How can we

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process?

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That's an excellent question. A big question. But,

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seriously your first Ramadan? Does she she's trying

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to figure out how to wake up in

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the morning. I got I'll give you some

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tips.

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Yeah. I can see how I'm going to

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be,

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approaching it for sure. And I think that's

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what's a part of the advice is that

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it's individual.

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Everyone's Ramadan is is going to be

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different. Everyone's focus is is going to be

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different.

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I would say as far as

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just

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addressing

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the collective trauma

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everyone has been going through,

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I always use salah and

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and du'a to

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let out my sorrow and,

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just feel what whatever I am feeling

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because

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Allah sees what we conceal and what we

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reveal anyway. So I

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decide to, I mean,

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at least once a day, my prayer mat

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is soaked in tears. Like, that's just the

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times the times that we're living in, but

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I I would encourage everyone to use that

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time that they have

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with Allah

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and use that time that they have with

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the Quran

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to heal because it does say in the

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Quran as well that it is a book

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of healing.

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And

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I I think that

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Ramadan is is definitely

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or how it's been conveyed to me, at

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least, that's the that's all I could speak

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to,

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is as this big celebration or or this

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big moment

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to celebrate or to rejoice in. And

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I think the possibility

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or

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the option

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to use it as a moment to simply

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heal

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is quite overlooked or or not

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quite tapped into as much as as much

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as I think it could be.

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Mhmm. So That beautiful The healing part is

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critical. I like what you say. You know,

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just allowing the emotions

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to flow, and that that's so critical,

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accepting

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what is happening and doing our best.

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And it is it's a it's a time

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of reflection

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and self control, and we're supposed to

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feel the hunger pangs, and we're supposed to

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feel what it means not to have. And

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and,

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they're they're going to experience it. And

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and I remember once someone called in and

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a sheikh in in one of these,

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Islamic TV shows

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and he's he asked a question. It was

00:27:20 --> 00:27:23

Ramadan, and he goes, if I don't have

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anything to break my fast, does my fast

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still count?

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And the sheikh started crying because it was

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like,

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look how some people, what they are having

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to

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what they're having to deal with. So, definitely,

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there's that

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the collective

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not just collective

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trauma, but the collective compassion as well and

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feeling for one another.

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You know, this Ramadan,

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people are asking, like, what would be that

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what do we focus on? How do we

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how do we find hope? Right?

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And so I think this is a beautiful

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way to kinda look at it that it's

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Ramadan. At the end of the day, is

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this is this this celebration. We didn't think

00:28:04 --> 00:28:05

of it that way, the way that sister

00:28:05 --> 00:28:08

Megan just put it. This is and of

00:28:08 --> 00:28:10

the revelation of the Quran, that this is

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the month bound,

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and this was sent as a noor, as

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a light, and a guidance, and a healing,

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and shepa of your art. And

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we can approach Ramadan again for that shepa,

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for that healing, and

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so that we can continue to show up

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because we we will have to show up

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with our best self for ourselves or others

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and then

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for,

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oppressed in Palestine and anywhere in the world

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and speak up for justice, but it does

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mean that we also have to take care

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of taking care of our self

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and coming back to our best self. Yeah.

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What

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has been the reaction of your family? That's

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always interesting

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to find out how

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the people around you you're being celebrated, masha'Allah,

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worldwide

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with the Muslim community. You have a huge

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family now, but I'm curious to know

00:29:02 --> 00:29:05

how has your family responded to this conversion?

00:29:08 --> 00:29:08

I've been

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very lucky.

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I have a very supportive family,

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and they always have been been very supportive.

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This is one of the more popular

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questions I've been asked because I think everyone

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is very

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curious

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of of what happens to to new reverts,

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and I'm I'm happy that it it's not

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a triggering question for me because I know

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for

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A lot of new reverts, it is a

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triggering question. So,

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but, no, my family has been absolutely wonderful,

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and, I visited my family a couple of

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days after taking my shahava, and it was

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around the time of dukhoor

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when I arrived at my my mother's house,

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and I informed her that I had to

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pray or it was time to pray.

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And she went into the living room and

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asked if she needed to move any furniture

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for me to have enough room.

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And, when I began praying, she asked if

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if,

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I would rather

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them leave the room so that I could

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have privacy in it. And so my family

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have always been

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an ally to to whatever I decide to

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pursue in life. I've been very blessed. That

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is truly a blessing. I had one of

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my friends who's

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in college,

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she walked in. She was actually

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she was actually on her way to Brazil

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to do missionary work. And she happened to

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walk into

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the MSA, the Muslim Student Association.

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She read a pamphlet. I always said, Alhamdulillah,

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there were no Muslims there

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to, you know I don't know. They just

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to maybe,

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you know, the Haram police, and we'll get

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into that a little bit later. So no

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one was there. She said, I was in

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my shorts and my tank top. I read

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this pamphlet.

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And right there and there, it's like, to

00:30:52 --> 00:30:53

become a Muslim, you say these words. She

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took her shahada on her own.

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And,

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and

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she there was this struggle because when she

00:31:00 --> 00:31:01

became Muslim,

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her family did not embrace it. And and

00:31:04 --> 00:31:06

every time and once she approached, she goes,

00:31:06 --> 00:31:08

you you ring the hitch up, and you

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look so happy. I don't get it.

00:31:10 --> 00:31:12

So she went on the

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hitch up. But every time before she wanted

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to see her mom,

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she would just talk to me. I had

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to give her a pep talk, and she

00:31:20 --> 00:31:21

goes, I gotta tighten my hijab

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and go there because when she would go,

00:31:25 --> 00:31:27

her mom purposely made pork.

00:31:27 --> 00:31:30

When she would pray, she would she would

00:31:30 --> 00:31:31

play the piano,

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like, you know, just as a way to,

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like, distract

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her. And and then,

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after so much,

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her mom, like, at the age of 75

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embraced Islam.

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And and she's like, I don't even know

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why it took me so long.

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And it was just her patience. You know?

00:31:49 --> 00:31:52

And so, alhamdulillah, that you're being nurtured and

00:31:52 --> 00:31:55

you're being respected. But so many of our

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converts,

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they go through a struggle. They sometimes lose

00:31:59 --> 00:32:00

their family.

00:32:00 --> 00:32:01

They sometimes

00:32:02 --> 00:32:04

get harassed by their community. So,

00:32:05 --> 00:32:07

really, my heart always goes out to people

00:32:07 --> 00:32:08

who leave

00:32:08 --> 00:32:09

what they have known

00:32:10 --> 00:32:11

for the deen. And the more you give

00:32:11 --> 00:32:13

up for the sake of Allah, the more

00:32:13 --> 00:32:16

Allah rewards you. So.

00:32:18 --> 00:32:19

Beautiful. Yes.

00:32:21 --> 00:32:23

I have a question. Like, now that we're

00:32:23 --> 00:32:25

getting into Ramadan, you started off this journey

00:32:25 --> 00:32:28

by reading the Quran. Right? Yeah. And taking

00:32:28 --> 00:32:30

us with you along with you. What are

00:32:30 --> 00:32:33

you thinking now that we are entering Ramadan

00:32:33 --> 00:32:35

and everybody's thinking about, like, okay. How much

00:32:35 --> 00:32:37

Quran am I gonna read? And, you know,

00:32:37 --> 00:32:39

and we talk about and we will talk

00:32:39 --> 00:32:40

about it this in this Ramadan series

00:32:40 --> 00:32:44

about how to really deeply connect and use

00:32:44 --> 00:32:45

Quran for transformation,

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not just, you know, reading for the sake

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of, like, oh, I read a page or

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take it off.

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Stop. Like, maybe

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yeah. Or it's like, just check off, you

00:32:54 --> 00:32:55

know, like, the to do list. Like, okay.

00:32:55 --> 00:32:56

I've done it.

00:32:56 --> 00:32:58

But how do we go deeper? How do

00:32:58 --> 00:33:01

we really connect? You know? And so any

00:33:01 --> 00:33:03

thoughts on that? So I've read the Quran,

00:33:04 --> 00:33:04

twice now,

00:33:05 --> 00:33:07

and it's it's been

00:33:08 --> 00:33:11

just well, first, it helps that it's easy

00:33:11 --> 00:33:14

to read. Like, that's that's what also helps.

00:33:15 --> 00:33:15

But

00:33:15 --> 00:33:18

anytime that I am facing struggles in my

00:33:18 --> 00:33:21

own life, I've just found that there are,

00:33:22 --> 00:33:24

there's a for it. Like, it just

00:33:24 --> 00:33:26

just every single time.

00:33:26 --> 00:33:29

And I've mostly I I think I've highlighted

00:33:29 --> 00:33:32

almost the entirety of both women and,

00:33:33 --> 00:33:34

al Bakr,

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because it's

00:33:37 --> 00:33:39

anything that I'm that's been happening in my

00:33:39 --> 00:33:41

life, I could just go to to those

00:33:41 --> 00:33:42

2,

00:33:43 --> 00:33:43

Suras

00:33:44 --> 00:33:44

specifically

00:33:45 --> 00:33:47

and and find something that that will address

00:33:47 --> 00:33:48

it,

00:33:49 --> 00:33:49

or,

00:33:50 --> 00:33:51

Imran family,

00:33:51 --> 00:33:52

as well.

00:33:52 --> 00:33:53

But,

00:33:55 --> 00:33:56

I I would say that

00:33:57 --> 00:33:59

instead of seeing the Quran

00:34:00 --> 00:34:02

as more of an obligation during Ramadan or

00:34:02 --> 00:34:04

something that needs to be

00:34:04 --> 00:34:07

completed. Look at it more as

00:34:07 --> 00:34:10

an answer to to questions you've always had

00:34:10 --> 00:34:11

or or,

00:34:12 --> 00:34:15

just something to complete your journey that you've

00:34:15 --> 00:34:17

always struggled in. It's it's

00:34:17 --> 00:34:18

it's

00:34:18 --> 00:34:19

a far less

00:34:19 --> 00:34:21

intimidating that way, I would say.

00:34:22 --> 00:34:25

Approach it with with a heart of curiosity

00:34:25 --> 00:34:27

of what what it can do for you

00:34:27 --> 00:34:27

rather than

00:34:29 --> 00:34:31

just checking it. Like I said, just just

00:34:31 --> 00:34:33

checking a box to say, I I know

00:34:33 --> 00:34:35

I I read the Quran during Ramadan.

00:34:36 --> 00:34:38

I love that. I love the the fact

00:34:38 --> 00:34:40

that you're saying, look at it with curiosity

00:34:41 --> 00:34:43

and then to look for answers

00:34:43 --> 00:34:46

in in our lives because sometimes just one

00:34:46 --> 00:34:47

verse

00:34:47 --> 00:34:48

can transform you.

00:34:49 --> 00:34:51

And I and that makes me curious. Is

00:34:51 --> 00:34:52

there any particular

00:34:53 --> 00:34:57

verse? Any I I know you've emphasized sort

00:34:57 --> 00:34:57

of

00:34:57 --> 00:34:59

but is there any particular verse that has

00:34:59 --> 00:35:00

really

00:35:00 --> 00:35:01

resonated with you?

00:35:02 --> 00:35:03

Yes.

00:35:03 --> 00:35:04

Actually,

00:35:04 --> 00:35:05

this is

00:35:05 --> 00:35:06

I have it

00:35:07 --> 00:35:08

thank goodness I always have it near me.

00:35:08 --> 00:35:11

But I have, like, several copies around the

00:35:11 --> 00:35:14

around my apartment just just in case, but

00:35:14 --> 00:35:14

it is

00:35:16 --> 00:35:18

I believe it is

00:35:20 --> 00:35:22

67 if I'm not mistaken. Hold on. Let

00:35:22 --> 00:35:22

me see.

00:35:23 --> 00:35:25

I'm flipping through it now. It's it's highlighted

00:35:25 --> 00:35:27

and and everything. I just have to find

00:35:27 --> 00:35:29

that. No. Take your time.

00:35:30 --> 00:35:32

There is a verse that you read it,

00:35:32 --> 00:35:35

and it was impactful, and it impacted you.

00:35:35 --> 00:35:38

It it matched everything that that I had

00:35:39 --> 00:35:42

always believed, how I always saw God, how

00:35:42 --> 00:35:43

I always saw this dunya,

00:35:44 --> 00:35:46

just life in in general, and I go

00:35:46 --> 00:35:48

back to it quite often.

00:35:49 --> 00:35:50

But it's 164,

00:35:51 --> 00:35:51

in El Batao.

00:35:52 --> 00:35:54

Okay. Can you read it for us? The

00:35:55 --> 00:35:55

Certainly.

00:35:56 --> 00:35:58

Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and

00:35:58 --> 00:35:59

the earth,

00:35:59 --> 00:36:01

the alternation of the day and the night,

00:36:01 --> 00:36:03

the ships that sail the sea for the

00:36:03 --> 00:36:04

benefit of humanity,

00:36:05 --> 00:36:07

the rain sent down by God from the

00:36:07 --> 00:36:10

skies reviving the earth after its death, the

00:36:10 --> 00:36:13

scattering of all kinds of create, creatures throughout,

00:36:13 --> 00:36:15

the shifting of the winds, and the clouds

00:36:15 --> 00:36:18

drifting between the heavens and the earth.

00:36:18 --> 00:36:20

And all of this are surely signs for

00:36:20 --> 00:36:21

people of understanding.

00:36:23 --> 00:36:26

My shop. Far my favorite My shop. Coconut.

00:36:27 --> 00:36:28

Coconut.

00:36:28 --> 00:36:31

So it yeah. That brings tears to my

00:36:31 --> 00:36:32

eyes in the sense that

00:36:32 --> 00:36:35

you find that all Allah has shown us

00:36:35 --> 00:36:37

so many ways, so many signs

00:36:37 --> 00:36:39

to say that there's purpose.

00:36:39 --> 00:36:42

Right? So is that true?

00:36:43 --> 00:36:45

It's it's just how simple it is to

00:36:45 --> 00:36:47

see to see a loss of parabola and

00:36:47 --> 00:36:51

everything. And on live several times, I

00:36:51 --> 00:36:52

used

00:36:52 --> 00:36:54

the orange as an example, the fruit, the

00:36:54 --> 00:36:55

orange.

00:36:55 --> 00:36:58

Because if you peel it, it's perfectly symmetrical.

00:36:58 --> 00:36:58

It's

00:36:59 --> 00:37:00

already divided.

00:37:00 --> 00:37:01

It's immediately

00:37:01 --> 00:37:03

ready to eat. It's ready to share,

00:37:03 --> 00:37:06

and it just happens naturally in nature. And

00:37:06 --> 00:37:09

it's things like or or a snowflake and

00:37:09 --> 00:37:11

how no 2 snowflakes are the same.

00:37:11 --> 00:37:13

And when you think of the billions and

00:37:13 --> 00:37:15

billions of snowflakes that,

00:37:15 --> 00:37:16

are,

00:37:16 --> 00:37:18

required to make a snowstorm

00:37:19 --> 00:37:21

and realizing that no 2 of those snowflakes

00:37:21 --> 00:37:24

are the same. You know, it's it's things

00:37:24 --> 00:37:26

like that that happen in

00:37:26 --> 00:37:29

everyday life that that happen and

00:37:29 --> 00:37:30

and things that

00:37:31 --> 00:37:32

we just take for granted or or we

00:37:32 --> 00:37:35

don't just stop and and reflect upon

00:37:35 --> 00:37:36

that is

00:37:37 --> 00:37:39

you don't really need any further

00:37:39 --> 00:37:42

proof as as far as the existence of

00:37:42 --> 00:37:42

the

00:37:43 --> 00:37:43

is concerned. That's

00:37:44 --> 00:37:47

beautiful. Very deep. I love it. I love

00:37:47 --> 00:37:48

it. I'm glad I asked.

00:37:49 --> 00:37:50

And

00:37:50 --> 00:37:51

I heard

00:37:51 --> 00:37:54

I think it was last week that you

00:37:54 --> 00:37:55

you announced

00:37:55 --> 00:37:56

you're not going to

00:37:57 --> 00:37:58

create content.

00:37:59 --> 00:38:01

And I think you alluded to,

00:38:02 --> 00:38:04

some of the Haram police have their

00:38:06 --> 00:38:08

have people been

00:38:08 --> 00:38:11

mean to you and and, are you criticizing?

00:38:12 --> 00:38:14

I think that's some or is there more

00:38:14 --> 00:38:15

to it than that?

00:38:17 --> 00:38:19

I think that I mean, there's, of course,

00:38:19 --> 00:38:21

more to it, than that. The the Haram

00:38:21 --> 00:38:22

Police definitely

00:38:24 --> 00:38:26

make things difficult for new reverts. I would

00:38:26 --> 00:38:27

say that.

00:38:27 --> 00:38:28

And and

00:38:28 --> 00:38:30

I do like to think that they do

00:38:30 --> 00:38:33

have they do think that they are doing

00:38:33 --> 00:38:34

good in the moment. They think that they

00:38:34 --> 00:38:36

are, you know, advising or

00:38:36 --> 00:38:38

making sure they're steering their brother or their

00:38:38 --> 00:38:39

sister on the right path.

00:38:40 --> 00:38:42

But for new reverts who are learning for

00:38:42 --> 00:38:45

the very first time and to be corrected

00:38:45 --> 00:38:46

that constantly,

00:38:47 --> 00:38:48

it actually has the opposite

00:38:50 --> 00:38:50

Of course.

00:38:51 --> 00:38:54

There have been quite a few people who

00:38:54 --> 00:38:56

who have DM ed me and said, you

00:38:56 --> 00:38:57

know, I was thinking of of

00:38:58 --> 00:39:00

converting to Islam or I was thinking of,

00:39:01 --> 00:39:03

becoming Muslim, but I read your comments, and

00:39:03 --> 00:39:05

it just seems like there's too much pressure.

00:39:06 --> 00:39:08

So, you know, people don't realize that their

00:39:08 --> 00:39:10

comments, even if they're toward me, people are

00:39:10 --> 00:39:12

watching them. People people are reading them.

00:39:13 --> 00:39:17

But me leaving content creation or or me

00:39:17 --> 00:39:19

retiring as a content creator, that was

00:39:19 --> 00:39:20

going to happen

00:39:21 --> 00:39:24

anyway. I I had released a video prior

00:39:24 --> 00:39:24

to,

00:39:26 --> 00:39:28

what happened after October 7th. It was back

00:39:28 --> 00:39:30

in September where I said that I just

00:39:30 --> 00:39:33

felt that social media was taking away from

00:39:33 --> 00:39:35

real life really and and

00:39:35 --> 00:39:38

not really putting the the right

00:39:39 --> 00:39:41

priorities in in in place. So I was

00:39:41 --> 00:39:43

going to delete my social media on October

00:39:43 --> 00:39:45

31st. Obviously, that didn't happen because of,

00:39:46 --> 00:39:48

what happened in Kazan. It was all hands

00:39:48 --> 00:39:50

on deck, so to speak, meaning all activists

00:39:50 --> 00:39:52

needed to show up,

00:39:52 --> 00:39:52

and,

00:39:53 --> 00:39:55

create content to make sure that

00:39:56 --> 00:39:58

as much information is getting out as possible.

00:39:59 --> 00:40:01

And I won't be deleting my social media

00:40:01 --> 00:40:03

for that reason because who knows what can

00:40:03 --> 00:40:05

happen where I would need to be called

00:40:06 --> 00:40:08

again to jump into action and make a

00:40:08 --> 00:40:11

video. But when it came to my faith

00:40:11 --> 00:40:13

specifically, what I had found was

00:40:13 --> 00:40:17

it no longer felt like something that or

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it was no longer feeling like something that

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belonged

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to just me. And and between me and

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Allah,

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it didn't it didn't feel,

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as

00:40:27 --> 00:40:28

personal as I I would want it to

00:40:28 --> 00:40:31

feel, and is everything was still so brand

00:40:31 --> 00:40:33

new to me. And this time was very

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is very precious to me to become more

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grounded in my faith and and to have

00:40:38 --> 00:40:38

the freedoms

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to make mistakes and it not be on

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the world stage.

00:40:43 --> 00:40:43

Oh, I definitely

00:40:45 --> 00:40:48

to to really dive in. Yeah. And

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so I decided to to

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make sure that my faith is practiced more

00:40:53 --> 00:40:53

privately

00:40:54 --> 00:40:54

from

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for going on.

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I respect that. I respect that. And something

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and I definitely want, to hear from you,

00:41:02 --> 00:41:05

brother Wadud, that I I wanted to, like,

00:41:05 --> 00:41:07

reflect on this because I think it's a

00:41:07 --> 00:41:08

critical point.

00:41:09 --> 00:41:10

Why do people

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react that way? Right? Because we've all experienced

00:41:14 --> 00:41:16

it, the Haram police. Okay?

00:41:16 --> 00:41:17

And

00:41:17 --> 00:41:19

one is, you know, the the verse in

00:41:19 --> 00:41:20

the Quran that it says

00:41:21 --> 00:41:23

that you are like the best of people.

00:41:23 --> 00:41:25

Right? Why are you the best of people?

00:41:29 --> 00:41:30

That You advise

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what is good and you,

00:41:33 --> 00:41:35

you know, you take people away from what

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is bad.

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And a lot of times

00:41:38 --> 00:41:40

people take this, you know, they become very

00:41:40 --> 00:41:42

zealous, like it's like vigilante.

00:41:43 --> 00:41:44

Right? I'm gonna

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correct anyone who is wrong,

00:41:46 --> 00:41:48

and then we're also told that

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there comes a time where your Dua is

00:41:51 --> 00:41:51

not answered,

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and it's because you're not doing that.

00:41:54 --> 00:41:57

And so people get scared. It's like, I

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I need to I want my Dua's answered.

00:41:59 --> 00:42:02

I'm gonna go. And what they miss out

00:42:02 --> 00:42:03

on and what they forget

00:42:04 --> 00:42:06

is the fact that of how

00:42:06 --> 00:42:08

it is done. Right? It's like, you know,

00:42:08 --> 00:42:10

in the Quran, it says,

00:42:10 --> 00:42:11

pray,

00:42:12 --> 00:42:14

but we don't know all the details of

00:42:14 --> 00:42:15

the prayer. We have to look at the

00:42:15 --> 00:42:17

prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam and how he prayed,

00:42:17 --> 00:42:20

what he did. And in the same way,

00:42:20 --> 00:42:21

it says

00:42:21 --> 00:42:23

correct others, but we have to look at

00:42:23 --> 00:42:26

the prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam on how

00:42:26 --> 00:42:28

he did it. And he always used wisdom

00:42:29 --> 00:42:29

and compassion,

00:42:30 --> 00:42:31

and he was gentle.

00:42:32 --> 00:42:34

And I remember a specific

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haram police in our masjid,

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and no one was safe. Anyone who walked

00:42:40 --> 00:42:43

through that door, your hijab is see through.

00:42:43 --> 00:42:45

Your dress is too short. Your you know,

00:42:45 --> 00:42:47

the way you do sujood. So it's not

00:42:47 --> 00:42:49

just for new Muslims. Okay? It just and

00:42:49 --> 00:42:50

once I went up to this sister, and

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I go,

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thank you, sister.

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You know, you wanna uphold the sunnah. You

00:42:56 --> 00:42:57

know, I respect that.

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But there is one sunnah

00:43:00 --> 00:43:03

I think you may be overlooking, and that

00:43:03 --> 00:43:04

is a sunnah of how

00:43:05 --> 00:43:07

to give the dua. You know? Doing it

00:43:07 --> 00:43:09

in a way that melts your heart. Doing

00:43:09 --> 00:43:11

it in a way that is that is

00:43:11 --> 00:43:12

gentle and sweet.

00:43:12 --> 00:43:16

And, you know, Allah told Musa Alaihi Salam

00:43:16 --> 00:43:19

to be gentle when you talk to Pharaon.

00:43:20 --> 00:43:22

He was saying I am god, and he's

00:43:22 --> 00:43:25

saying be gentle. It might soften him. So

00:43:26 --> 00:43:29

I apologize on behalf of all those trolls

00:43:31 --> 00:43:33

that, you know, they they mean well because

00:43:33 --> 00:43:35

they're like, I want my Doha answered. And

00:43:35 --> 00:43:37

I'm I'm supposed to do this, but they

00:43:37 --> 00:43:39

missed the wisdom. And brother Wadud, I would

00:43:39 --> 00:43:40

love to hear your,

00:43:41 --> 00:43:42

reflections.

00:43:42 --> 00:43:45

Really important to understand that I I feel

00:43:45 --> 00:43:47

like many of those people are missing out

00:43:47 --> 00:43:49

on a on a spiritual teacher.

00:43:49 --> 00:43:51

So a lot of times, we need to

00:43:51 --> 00:43:54

have, you know, a scholar, spiritual teacher that

00:43:54 --> 00:43:57

really is guiding us on how to really

00:43:57 --> 00:43:58

show up as a as a Muslim, as

00:43:58 --> 00:44:01

a good human being, because the prophet told

00:44:01 --> 00:44:01

us that

00:44:02 --> 00:44:05

and I was sent to perfect the human

00:44:05 --> 00:44:06

character and that Yes.

00:44:07 --> 00:44:08

Potential. We have to be a good human

00:44:08 --> 00:44:10

being, 1st and foremost, to become a Muslim.

00:44:11 --> 00:44:11

You know, Allah

00:44:12 --> 00:44:15

want us to reach the highest level of

00:44:15 --> 00:44:15

human potential,

00:44:16 --> 00:44:18

and a human that, you know, harasses people

00:44:18 --> 00:44:20

or make random comments. And we know that

00:44:21 --> 00:44:23

many, many of our scholars talk to us

00:44:23 --> 00:44:25

about the and advice

00:44:25 --> 00:44:26

that generally,

00:44:26 --> 00:44:29

you know, it is not considered a good

00:44:29 --> 00:44:32

nasiha when you are, you know, randomly doing

00:44:32 --> 00:44:34

it in public. Openly. Yeah.

00:44:36 --> 00:44:38

People and when you're not especially when somebody's

00:44:38 --> 00:44:40

on their journey. And we know that when

00:44:40 --> 00:44:42

those people and the person converted and the

00:44:42 --> 00:44:44

story of the person converting and asking

00:44:52 --> 00:44:53

okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna pray, but I'm

00:44:53 --> 00:44:55

not gonna pay zakah. I'm gonna do I'm

00:44:55 --> 00:44:56

not gonna do charity. I'm not gonna do

00:44:56 --> 00:44:59

anything else. The prophet said, okay, and the

00:44:59 --> 00:45:01

companions got, like, super surprised. Like, aren't these

00:45:01 --> 00:45:04

all, like, obligation? How are you giving, like,

00:45:04 --> 00:45:06

discounts to this person? And the prophet said

00:45:07 --> 00:45:08

and the prophet said this is more about

00:45:09 --> 00:45:11

them, you know, a culturating. You know, it's

00:45:11 --> 00:45:14

it's about set up everybody journeys to God

00:45:14 --> 00:45:15

in their own way, on their own pace,

00:45:15 --> 00:45:17

in their own path, and, you know, you're

00:45:17 --> 00:45:19

coming to the faith, you're starting to make

00:45:19 --> 00:45:21

that connection with God. And, basically, it's explaining

00:45:21 --> 00:45:23

to them that once they have that connection

00:45:23 --> 00:45:25

established with prayer, slowly everything else is open

00:45:25 --> 00:45:28

up. Right? And not having that Hikma and

00:45:28 --> 00:45:28

that wisdom,

00:45:29 --> 00:45:31

such a disservice to people on the It

00:45:31 --> 00:45:33

really is. And I know of so many

00:45:33 --> 00:45:36

of my dear friends who when they first

00:45:36 --> 00:45:38

converted one one sister, I remember I used

00:45:38 --> 00:45:39

to do halakasakasas

00:45:40 --> 00:45:40

in Dubai.

00:45:41 --> 00:45:42

And she had been married to a Muslim

00:45:42 --> 00:45:45

for 10 years. 10 years. And she's been

00:45:45 --> 00:45:47

fasting. She was reading, and she did so

00:45:47 --> 00:45:49

much. She never became a Muslim.

00:45:49 --> 00:45:51

And so, you know, one fine day, she

00:45:51 --> 00:45:53

goes, can we have coffee together? We had

00:45:53 --> 00:45:53

coffee.

00:45:54 --> 00:45:56

And and I said, you know, so much.

00:45:56 --> 00:45:58

Yeah. And you haven't taken your shahada. And

00:45:58 --> 00:46:00

she goes, I don't know enough. I go,

00:46:00 --> 00:46:01

I don't know enough. I mean, I have

00:46:01 --> 00:46:03

a lot of work to do myself.

00:46:03 --> 00:46:05

And and I said, I don't know if

00:46:05 --> 00:46:06

I'm gonna live

00:46:07 --> 00:46:08

today. I I may I may cross the

00:46:08 --> 00:46:10

street. I may get hit by a car.

00:46:10 --> 00:46:13

Who knows? And you know too much not

00:46:13 --> 00:46:14

to take action. So

00:46:16 --> 00:46:17

She took her shahada.

00:46:17 --> 00:46:19

So I was I wanted to, like you

00:46:19 --> 00:46:21

know, you wanna nurture someone who is new

00:46:21 --> 00:46:22

to Islam.

00:46:22 --> 00:46:23

And,

00:46:23 --> 00:46:25

I chose, like, the nicest

00:46:25 --> 00:46:27

mosque. I wanted her to, you know, have

00:46:27 --> 00:46:28

a nice pleasant experience.

00:46:30 --> 00:46:33

And we went. We did the chutba, and

00:46:33 --> 00:46:35

then as soon as we finished praying she

00:46:35 --> 00:46:36

was so scared. She goes, I'm afraid of

00:46:36 --> 00:46:39

doing something wrong. Someone's gonna correct me. I

00:46:39 --> 00:46:41

there's someone's gonna yell at me. So and

00:46:41 --> 00:46:43

I'm like, no. No. Who does that? You

00:46:43 --> 00:46:44

don't like praying.

00:46:45 --> 00:46:46

Please, y'all, and let her have a good

00:46:46 --> 00:46:48

experience. So she prays.

00:46:49 --> 00:46:51

And as soon as we give salaams, the

00:46:51 --> 00:46:54

lady next to us, she looked at her

00:46:54 --> 00:46:55

and she said, it is haram to wear

00:46:55 --> 00:46:57

nail polish. You know?

00:46:57 --> 00:46:59

And I had seen I had seen the

00:46:59 --> 00:47:02

nail polish. I felt, okay. We're you know,

00:47:02 --> 00:47:04

one step at a time. We're gonna, you

00:47:04 --> 00:47:05

know. And I looked at her, and I

00:47:05 --> 00:47:08

go just like her sister. She took her

00:47:08 --> 00:47:09

shahada yesterday.

00:47:09 --> 00:47:11

So, you know, let's find out a little

00:47:11 --> 00:47:13

bit before we start correcting. So

00:47:14 --> 00:47:16

I just wanted to share that in that

00:47:17 --> 00:47:19

all you know, I think we've all experienced

00:47:19 --> 00:47:21

those. And, hopefully, that

00:47:21 --> 00:47:23

there's so much good that comes out of

00:47:23 --> 00:47:26

what you've provided that I really hope you

00:47:26 --> 00:47:27

reconsider

00:47:28 --> 00:47:29

that maybe,

00:47:29 --> 00:47:33

at some level, you continue sharing and kinda

00:47:33 --> 00:47:35

tune out tune out those voices.

00:47:36 --> 00:47:39

And, because so much light has come from

00:47:39 --> 00:47:41

this journey and the sharing, what are your

00:47:41 --> 00:47:42

thoughts on that?

00:47:44 --> 00:47:44

I can appreciate

00:47:45 --> 00:47:47

the good that has

00:47:47 --> 00:47:49

come from it for sure,

00:47:49 --> 00:47:52

but my highest priority and and the most

00:47:52 --> 00:47:54

important thing for me

00:47:54 --> 00:47:55

is pleasing Allah

00:47:57 --> 00:47:59

and not necessarily other human beings.

00:47:59 --> 00:48:02

So it's one of those things where until

00:48:02 --> 00:48:03

I know how to

00:48:04 --> 00:48:05

please and and serve the

00:48:06 --> 00:48:08

the way that I learned to or the

00:48:08 --> 00:48:10

way I I need that room first. I

00:48:10 --> 00:48:11

need that Sure.

00:48:12 --> 00:48:15

I need the ability to to actually have

00:48:15 --> 00:48:16

the time to

00:48:17 --> 00:48:19

build my own team before Sure.

00:48:20 --> 00:48:23

Before sharing on that level. And it's also

00:48:23 --> 00:48:25

one of those things where

00:48:25 --> 00:48:28

I I hope that what has already been

00:48:28 --> 00:48:30

done or or the work that that I'd

00:48:30 --> 00:48:31

already

00:48:31 --> 00:48:33

done, I I just hope that it inspires

00:48:33 --> 00:48:34

the next

00:48:35 --> 00:48:38

person to go on their own journey and

00:48:38 --> 00:48:40

and discover their own things.

00:48:40 --> 00:48:42

But, yeah, I never really considered it to

00:48:42 --> 00:48:42

be,

00:48:43 --> 00:48:45

and it was it actually was never the

00:48:45 --> 00:48:46

intention,

00:48:47 --> 00:48:48

to be something that was

00:48:49 --> 00:48:52

ongoing or or lifelong or anything like that.

00:48:52 --> 00:48:53

I see. I see.

00:48:54 --> 00:48:57

What I know that last time I read,

00:48:57 --> 00:48:59

I think it started off at, like, 800

00:48:59 --> 00:49:01

with the book club, then it last thing

00:49:01 --> 00:49:02

I read 13,000.

00:49:03 --> 00:49:05

Are are we am I on point, or

00:49:05 --> 00:49:05

did it grow?

00:49:07 --> 00:49:09

Yes. So I actually left the book club

00:49:09 --> 00:49:11

to to the admins

00:49:12 --> 00:49:14

about a month or so after launching it.

00:49:14 --> 00:49:16

It by the time I left, it was

00:49:16 --> 00:49:16

at

00:49:17 --> 00:49:19

I think it was at 16,000, to be

00:49:19 --> 00:49:19

honest.

00:49:22 --> 00:49:24

But, yeah, it was it was it started

00:49:24 --> 00:49:26

out wonderful. It started out as as this

00:49:26 --> 00:49:27

very welcoming

00:49:28 --> 00:49:30

and and open space for people,

00:49:30 --> 00:49:32

non Muslims and Muslims alike, to just be

00:49:32 --> 00:49:35

curious and to just explore the Quran.

00:49:36 --> 00:49:37

Of course, when you have the when you

00:49:37 --> 00:49:40

have 16,000 different personalities in one space,

00:49:41 --> 00:49:44

it's quickly going to become something when emotions

00:49:44 --> 00:49:46

are already high about what was happening in

00:49:46 --> 00:49:47

in Gaza and everything,

00:49:47 --> 00:49:51

like that. It quickly turned into a space

00:49:51 --> 00:49:51

where

00:49:52 --> 00:49:53

everything was

00:49:54 --> 00:49:56

critiqued with everything. It it just yeah. It

00:49:56 --> 00:49:57

seemed very severe.

00:49:58 --> 00:50:01

Okay. And so for new reverts, it wasn't

00:50:01 --> 00:50:02

really a,

00:50:03 --> 00:50:05

And it wasn't a safe space to ship.

00:50:05 --> 00:50:07

It wasn't a safe space at all. Alright.

00:50:07 --> 00:50:10

So I wanna I wanna offer you a

00:50:10 --> 00:50:12

safe space. I actually would like to gift

00:50:12 --> 00:50:16

you a membership to my my mentorship program,

00:50:16 --> 00:50:18

Mindful Hearts Academy's 4 sisters.

00:50:18 --> 00:50:20

And my motto is

00:50:20 --> 00:50:21

no judgment.

00:50:22 --> 00:50:24

No. I we just we don't allow it.

00:50:24 --> 00:50:25

I just

00:50:26 --> 00:50:27

no one can no one can be there's,

00:50:27 --> 00:50:29

like, positive vibes. I mean, you can share

00:50:29 --> 00:50:31

troubles. You can share challenges,

00:50:32 --> 00:50:34

but you don't attack other people. And

00:50:34 --> 00:50:37

and it's all about building the good character.

00:50:37 --> 00:50:38

Right? Like, taking

00:50:38 --> 00:50:41

what you learn about the dean, and it's

00:50:41 --> 00:50:43

like self development, but Islamicized.

00:50:43 --> 00:50:45

So I would I would love to gift

00:50:45 --> 00:50:47

that to you and have you be a

00:50:47 --> 00:50:50

part of our community inshallah. And then you

00:50:50 --> 00:50:52

feel you'll feel the love. And this is.

00:50:54 --> 00:50:56

I appreciate you. Of course.

00:50:57 --> 00:50:59

And and I just wanted to add something

00:50:59 --> 00:51:00

there,

00:51:00 --> 00:51:02

if if I may, is that

00:51:02 --> 00:51:03

sometimes

00:51:03 --> 00:51:05

that we're talking about a mindful Ramadan,

00:51:06 --> 00:51:08

sometimes letting go of distraction for a little

00:51:08 --> 00:51:11

bit of time to refocus and really deeply

00:51:11 --> 00:51:11

connect.

00:51:12 --> 00:51:14

I think it's a beautiful thing. And

00:51:14 --> 00:51:16

while we're kinda, like, in our mind, we're

00:51:16 --> 00:51:18

like, no. Don't let go of that beautiful

00:51:18 --> 00:51:20

momentum you built. And at the same time,

00:51:20 --> 00:51:22

when you're talking about Allah and we realize

00:51:22 --> 00:51:24

that that's what it is of essence of

00:51:24 --> 00:51:26

essence of everything, it's at the end of

00:51:26 --> 00:51:28

the day, it is your connection with God.

00:51:28 --> 00:51:31

Right? And sometimes, you know, this concept concept

00:51:31 --> 00:51:32

of

00:51:32 --> 00:51:34

in in Ramadan, which is where

00:51:34 --> 00:51:37

you seclude yourself from the world,

00:51:37 --> 00:51:39

and you take time out for a few

00:51:39 --> 00:51:41

days only between you and God. And Ramadan

00:51:41 --> 00:51:43

is a beautiful time to disconnect.

00:51:43 --> 00:51:45

It's a really be beautiful test. The poem

00:51:45 --> 00:51:47

is digital.

00:51:47 --> 00:51:50

You know, like, digital, you kinda let go.

00:51:50 --> 00:51:52

You really focus on god

00:51:52 --> 00:51:54

and try to find that that focus and

00:51:54 --> 00:51:56

try to find that. So I think it's

00:51:56 --> 00:51:58

a beautiful way to I think beautiful lesson

00:51:58 --> 00:52:00

for all of us, Muslims, that

00:52:00 --> 00:52:02

are we able to take that digital?

00:52:03 --> 00:52:04

Are we able to let go of a

00:52:04 --> 00:52:06

distraction? Are we really able to to really

00:52:06 --> 00:52:08

connect and try to find our better self,

00:52:08 --> 00:52:09

higher self,

00:52:09 --> 00:52:12

and our mindful best self, this Ramadan.

00:52:13 --> 00:52:15

And we're just balancing it. Right? Because there's

00:52:15 --> 00:52:16

also a lot of great,

00:52:16 --> 00:52:17

content

00:52:17 --> 00:52:18

like this interview,

00:52:19 --> 00:52:22

that we want people to benefit from. But

00:52:22 --> 00:52:24

we also need to minimize it. Minimize it

00:52:24 --> 00:52:26

and not be glued to our phone, but

00:52:26 --> 00:52:30

make very mindful decisions. Be very conscientious because

00:52:30 --> 00:52:32

I know I I benefit. I learn.

00:52:33 --> 00:52:35

And through every interview that we do with

00:52:35 --> 00:52:38

we've had incredible guests. I'm enlightened, and

00:52:38 --> 00:52:41

I feel they're each one is a gift.

00:52:41 --> 00:52:44

So we have to just create that beautiful

00:52:44 --> 00:52:44

balance.

00:52:45 --> 00:52:46

So,

00:52:46 --> 00:52:48

this has been this has been so fascinating.

00:52:49 --> 00:52:51

Really, really enjoyed having you.

00:52:52 --> 00:52:54

I enjoyed being here. Thank you for having

00:52:54 --> 00:52:57

me. Of course. Of course. And, you know,

00:52:57 --> 00:52:58

we started off talking

00:52:59 --> 00:52:59

about

00:53:00 --> 00:53:02

Palestine. That's how you came into

00:53:03 --> 00:53:04

the deen, into Islam.

00:53:05 --> 00:53:06

What would be your,

00:53:07 --> 00:53:10

what what is your takeaway? Like, as far

00:53:10 --> 00:53:10

as

00:53:11 --> 00:53:12

what you have learned

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from them?

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Because I know that that's what shook you

00:53:16 --> 00:53:19

or that's what really impacted you, but what

00:53:19 --> 00:53:20

would be your, let's say, parting words

00:53:21 --> 00:53:23

about that? And also for

00:53:23 --> 00:53:26

people who may be just searching and wondering

00:53:27 --> 00:53:30

if they should take the plunge or if,

00:53:30 --> 00:53:32

you know, is this right for me? What

00:53:32 --> 00:53:33

what is your advice?

00:53:36 --> 00:53:37

My advice is,

00:53:39 --> 00:53:40

like brother Wadud said,

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remove all other distractions.

00:53:42 --> 00:53:45

I think that things can get more confusing

00:53:45 --> 00:53:47

the more people you let into your journey

00:53:48 --> 00:53:50

and let into your process in the beginning.

00:53:50 --> 00:53:53

I would say when it's just between when

00:53:53 --> 00:53:54

it's just you and it's just your heart

00:53:54 --> 00:53:56

and it's just your connection to Allah

00:53:57 --> 00:53:58

Things are much more simpler,

00:53:59 --> 00:54:01

and the the guidance and the journey is

00:54:01 --> 00:54:02

far more clearer.

00:54:03 --> 00:54:04

For those people who are who are waiting

00:54:04 --> 00:54:06

to take the plunge and and just they're

00:54:06 --> 00:54:08

nervous, I would I would say to

00:54:09 --> 00:54:11

really spoil yourself, so to speak, during this

00:54:11 --> 00:54:12

time

00:54:12 --> 00:54:15

in in creating a space with with just

00:54:15 --> 00:54:15

you and God.

00:54:16 --> 00:54:18

As far as Palestine

00:54:18 --> 00:54:19

is concerned,

00:54:20 --> 00:54:22

of course, I'm blown away by their steadfastness

00:54:23 --> 00:54:24

and their faith even

00:54:25 --> 00:54:27

today. And but what we're seeing,

00:54:28 --> 00:54:28

and,

00:54:29 --> 00:54:31

Imam Omar Suleiman said it perfectly,

00:54:32 --> 00:54:34

Palestinians aren't asking where Allah

00:54:35 --> 00:54:38

is. Palestinians are asking where the Ummah is.

00:54:38 --> 00:54:41

Mhmm. Palestinians are asking where we are.

00:54:41 --> 00:54:43

So as much as

00:54:43 --> 00:54:44

we

00:54:44 --> 00:54:46

see what's going on is upsetting,

00:54:47 --> 00:54:47

we

00:54:48 --> 00:54:50

still have to I mean, even if I'm

00:54:50 --> 00:54:51

I'm taking

00:54:52 --> 00:54:53

even if I'm retiring, so to speak, from

00:54:53 --> 00:54:55

my content creator career,

00:54:55 --> 00:54:58

I'm still very much online making sure that

00:54:58 --> 00:55:00

I'm reposting the content that needs to get

00:55:00 --> 00:55:01

to the eyes.

00:55:02 --> 00:55:05

I'm still, you know, doing my my activist

00:55:05 --> 00:55:08

work. I'm still calling my representatives. I'm I'm

00:55:08 --> 00:55:08

still,

00:55:09 --> 00:55:11

keeping up on news. I'm I'm still doing

00:55:11 --> 00:55:12

all of the things that are necessary to

00:55:12 --> 00:55:13

help

00:55:14 --> 00:55:16

our our brothers and sisters in in Palestine.

00:55:16 --> 00:55:18

And I think that us as humans, we're

00:55:18 --> 00:55:19

not used to

00:55:20 --> 00:55:23

being this traumatized or seeing such disturbing images

00:55:23 --> 00:55:25

day in and day out. And so I

00:55:25 --> 00:55:28

think Yeah. I think our instincts,

00:55:28 --> 00:55:31

wants to tell us to distance ourselves from

00:55:31 --> 00:55:33

it or or to detach from it.

00:55:34 --> 00:55:35

But our humanity

00:55:36 --> 00:55:36

has

00:55:37 --> 00:55:39

to allow us not to do so. Our

00:55:39 --> 00:55:42

our humanity has called us into into action.

00:55:42 --> 00:55:44

Mhmm. So as much as

00:55:44 --> 00:55:45

Palestine has

00:55:45 --> 00:55:47

opened the world's eyes

00:55:48 --> 00:55:49

to how

00:55:50 --> 00:55:52

beautiful humanity can be, it's our turn to

00:55:52 --> 00:55:54

show up for them

00:55:54 --> 00:55:57

and show them how beautiful humanity could be.

00:55:58 --> 00:56:00

So that's that's what I would leave people

00:56:00 --> 00:56:03

as far as that. That. That's beautiful. Beautiful.

00:56:03 --> 00:56:05

Thank you so much for your reflection.

00:56:06 --> 00:56:06

Brother Wadhud?

00:56:07 --> 00:56:09

So much. May Allah bless you. It's a

00:56:09 --> 00:56:11

beautiful reflection. May Allah grant us to forgive

00:56:11 --> 00:56:11

us

00:56:12 --> 00:56:14

for our shortcomings to not show up and

00:56:14 --> 00:56:16

not be there for them. You know? And

00:56:16 --> 00:56:17

such a beautiful thing to say to be

00:56:17 --> 00:56:19

able to show our amenity for them. May

00:56:19 --> 00:56:21

Allah bless you. It's been a pleasure. Like,

00:56:21 --> 00:56:23

you know, I know that we'll be making

00:56:23 --> 00:56:25

duas for you and you for us and

00:56:25 --> 00:56:27

everyone that's watching to have a beautiful mind

00:56:27 --> 00:56:29

for Ramadan. You know, this parting thing, you

00:56:29 --> 00:56:31

know, as you were talking about this content

00:56:31 --> 00:56:33

creation, I hope that after this digital etaqa

00:56:33 --> 00:56:34

in Ramadan,

00:56:35 --> 00:56:37

Once you once you come out of it,

00:56:37 --> 00:56:39

you're able to go back

00:56:39 --> 00:56:40

and continue

00:56:40 --> 00:56:42

to impact the world in a way that,

00:56:42 --> 00:56:45

you know, doesn't tolerate those random comments and

00:56:45 --> 00:56:47

have maybe scholars like Sheikh Omar come in

00:56:47 --> 00:56:49

and and join you and

00:56:49 --> 00:56:50

and

00:56:50 --> 00:56:52

and have those guidance of our teachers that

00:56:52 --> 00:56:55

can keep you moving and utilize. May Allah

00:56:55 --> 00:56:56

utilize you like he had already

00:56:59 --> 00:57:00

to be a

00:57:00 --> 00:57:02

source of light. May Allah guide us and

00:57:02 --> 00:57:06

guide through us. Inshallah. That idea, brother Waddud.

00:57:06 --> 00:57:08

You know? You could you can interview

00:57:09 --> 00:57:09

the scholars

00:57:10 --> 00:57:11

and from your perspective,

00:57:12 --> 00:57:14

get those questions answered.

00:57:14 --> 00:57:17

But we need that. We need sister Megan,

00:57:17 --> 00:57:18

you know, rise

00:57:19 --> 00:57:19

to be

00:57:20 --> 00:57:20

curious

00:57:21 --> 00:57:22

and interactive

00:57:22 --> 00:57:25

and and being just really genuine. I feel

00:57:25 --> 00:57:26

I I think that would be a really

00:57:26 --> 00:57:28

good, you know, good balance.

00:57:28 --> 00:57:30

Yeah. And, you know, the reason why is

00:57:30 --> 00:57:33

because people know Sheikh Omar is there. People

00:57:33 --> 00:57:34

know that Sheikh Assad

00:57:34 --> 00:57:36

He'll take care of it. People know our

00:57:36 --> 00:57:38

scholars are there, but

00:57:38 --> 00:57:41

they don't always connect. Not everybody connects with

00:57:41 --> 00:57:43

the scholars. Not everybody connects with one side

00:57:43 --> 00:57:44

expression.

00:57:44 --> 00:57:46

And I think if we at the end

00:57:46 --> 00:57:47

of the day, we're human beings.

00:57:48 --> 00:57:50

And your the way that you came out

00:57:50 --> 00:57:52

was those human emotions.

00:57:52 --> 00:57:53

Yeah.

00:57:53 --> 00:57:55

You know, a lot of people connected with

00:57:55 --> 00:57:57

that. And Exactly. It's a gift.

00:57:57 --> 00:57:59

Beautiful. You gotta you gotta use the gift.

00:57:59 --> 00:58:01

Allah gave you a gift. You're resonating.

00:58:02 --> 00:58:04

Don't lock it all up.

00:58:05 --> 00:58:07

We gotta we gotta keep it shining, Insha'Allah.

00:58:10 --> 00:58:11

But take some time. No problem. Take some

00:58:11 --> 00:58:13

time. Time. Take time.

00:58:15 --> 00:58:17

It was such a pleasure. This was this

00:58:17 --> 00:58:19

was one of the most fun we've had

00:58:19 --> 00:58:20

in interviewing.

00:58:21 --> 00:58:21

And,

00:58:23 --> 00:58:25

may Allah bless you. May Allah make this

00:58:25 --> 00:58:25

Ramadan,

00:58:27 --> 00:58:28

very easy, beneficial,

00:58:29 --> 00:58:30

insightful,

00:58:31 --> 00:58:33

and may you grow exponentially,

00:58:34 --> 00:58:37

every day every day in this journey.

00:58:37 --> 00:58:38

You have our dua.

00:58:39 --> 00:58:41

And you and both of you have my

00:58:41 --> 00:58:44

dua as well during this process. Because you're

00:58:44 --> 00:58:46

like you're like a newborn baby.

00:58:47 --> 00:58:50

So when someone converts, we're like, you know,

00:58:51 --> 00:58:54

please make dua for us, our kids, and,

00:58:54 --> 00:58:56

and, yeah, for the whole Ummah. So just

00:58:56 --> 00:58:56

for

00:58:57 --> 00:58:59

your your beautiful personality.

00:59:01 --> 00:59:03

I absolutely will. Thank you.

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