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my respective brothers and sisters in Islam as salaam alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. I'm your host Kareem Abu Zaid and this is another edition of Ask Imam Karim live show brothers and sisters in Islam. We do have a very special broadcast today. As we host our dear honorable Dr. Bilal Philips all the way from the east. May Allah Subhana Allah shower His mercy upon him. We recently learned that Dr. Bill was tested positive for COVID-19 and hamdulillah he is still Masha Allah.
Possibly you can judge that yourself today. But he decided to come live on the show today
to address matters of concerns to all of us, which are the matters of the heath brothers and sisters in Islam.
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but I really advise myself and a new one everybody. Let us address the issues. Let us address the issues. Like I said this religion is
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invade the promise of Allah. We believe that regardless, people come and go our job today insha Allah is to talk about the issues, not the people, not the individuals the issues
without any further delay brothers and sisters in Islam,
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We will not be taking any phone calls even though the number is shown on the screen. But we will not be taking any phone calls because we have a lot of issues to address a lot of matters to discuss with Dr. Bill Phillips
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Why come Salaam Morocco rahmatullah wa barakato hamdulillah I'm fine, still recovering but fine Alhamdulillah and
we hope that this broadcast or this program will help to clear up some doubts which may have arisen in the minds of some of those who are listening or watching us and inshallah
we have to keep in mind always, as we delve into this area, this is the area of tawheed the core of Islam keep in mind that
you know, the prophet SAW solemn reminded us concerning the deen that he left it clear.
Talk to Kamala Mahajan by law. I left you are a clear white
lady who ha Can I had her whose night is like it's de Lyon z one hi la Holic. And whoever deviates from it is destroyed. Also, the deal is simple, clear. And
only those who tried sense seek to complicate and to get into, you know, small philosophical, or large philosophical areas and points, etc. They're the ones who end up you know, deviating and
time passes that leaves them behind. They have they have been people all through the history of the final message of Islam since the time of the prophet SAW Selim until today, you know, people who have popped up and made claims and raised issues raised doubts.
And you know, from a moment is, in particular places, particular periods of time, you know, people were in doubt, there was, you know, confusion, whatever, but then the clarity of the truth overwhelms it and the mass of Muslims carry on, of course, there will always be a branch that splinters off, you know, whether it's the Shia or you know, any of any other group Yazidi or whatever, that have appeared in time and split off. That's the nature of human beings at work, and we cannot escape it. So as we look into the issues tonight, or today, depending on where you are, where I am right now, it's like after 10 o'clock at night, so for those people who are more easterly
than I am, it gets later and later for them but anyway, you all are in Colorado in the States, etc.
It's tough not here
Mashallah.
So, allow me,
allow me, you know, I live in this part of of Earth in America
and
You know, I really want to express how many people feel
about
you know, what, what is what is happening? You know, you mentioned the purity and the clarity of the hate of the message of Islam the final message?
How do you advise me, I consider you my faith here I am really, and I really want that advice to pass to others behind me. We get emotional we, we have that, you know, we have the zeal, chief for photo hate, you know, and this doesn't make us bad people, you know. And when you find someone,
whoever it is, how do you recommend for us to react specially shaped when the bublik the layman Muslims
are counting on hearing from
you know, from me, I'm talking about me and other students of knowledge who live here in America, what students would all students, no spoilers here, but they learn the hate from us. So when they hear something like this being said, What position should we take? Should we reveal to them the truth? Should we speak out? Or should we just say,
I don't hear I don't see, I won't speak.
In also, as as long as evil appears, in whatever form it appears, and we have the ability to correct or to change that situation. And it's the responsibility of those of us who know, to help those who don't know.
So we should speak basically, we should say, you know, that is wrong, but that's what you're saying that we should speak out against such things. Right.
All right. Okay, here's the subject. And, you know, allow me to drive it this way.
Using terminologies, like, nice, d. f, 30. We're happy.
You know, especially when it comes from someone who claims that he is really trying to be with the bulk of the oma, you know, you know, that I want to you know, I don't want to do but your approach is dangerous, because it divides but then he labels neji What is your take on such terminologies as Muslim? Should we use this, you know, identifying people in this manner?
Well, there's a place for labels, you know, when when, when the sheer our appearing, you know, when the ivaldi or the other various groups hawara age, etc, appeared, labels were put on them to identify them as having broken away from mainstream Islam. So the idea of putting those labels is not in and of itself, that however, when others who seek to split up possums, use those labels, you know, like, what, Abby, you know, this was invented by the British,
the British in dealing with the so called Wahhabi movement, when they utilize this terminology and spread it amongst the colonies. And, you know, Warren, basically one people away from the Wahhabi, you know, so they're the ones who came with the Wahhabi, you know, because No, nobody ever called themselves Wahhabi, you know, simply because they were following the teachings or the advice or the guidance provided by Muhammad did not know how, you know,
the people who followed him call themselves more hidden, they call themselves mano theists, you know are Unitarians then call themselves wahabis. So, where are these terminologies are used in a derogatory way. Then these, these, these only seek to, to confuse people more, you know, because then it becomes a label when you ask people Okay, so what is our hobby? You know, they'll say, well, the covenant person will say, these people they hate the Prophet
Silence Allah, you know, the curse of the bra.
So, so that's what is repeated. And not to say that becomes the the label, which covers all who challenge the status quo, what has become a norm in different parts of the Muslim world, where people are involved in saved worship, or grave worship or any of these other things, anyone who now stands up and says, No, you shouldn't do this, it's your your hobby. This is what happens. You know, it becomes the catch all slogan or label, which is used to
prevent those who are trying to make correction in this society, those who are trying to, to bring people back to the center, to label them in a negative life by it so that people won't listen to them.
The other take on the shape, and you know, it's really very hurtful. And displaying, the people who follow this will have the mesh the authority to be dangerous.
You know,
you're the first person I learned to hate from, I have never read anything in your writings, or heard anything in your lectures which incited hate, or
caused me to do something bad, you know, that he's just, likewise, this is what I teach. So the the foundation of the argument that these people, and I'm not going to name anybody, like we agree to, is, oh, that's very dangerous. They are in one side of the oma but the bulk of the oma is in the other side.
You know, they are dividing they are very, is that something that we should buy? I mean, as Muslims that
because those people are following the teachings of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam, they are dangerous, because they are not belonging to the majority use the bulk of the oma, is that something that we should use?
Well,
at the time of the prophet SAW seldom
when the Sahaba were some 60,000 or 80,000, in the time of the tabea, in the time of the tablet, tablet, and yeah, you can use the book, at that time, when the bulk was, you know, on the deal, they understood new Lydian, they were carrying it down from the prophets, I saw them directly, but not when you started to get an influx of other nations and beliefs and
ideas and concepts and from other systems, whether from Europe, the philosophy, philosophical teachings of the Greeks, etc. Or from Persia, you know, the Zoroastrians, etc, or the Christian teachings from what is now Turkey, Antioch and this area, you know, when these things started to come, come in, and now new ideas started to challenge, the Islamic simple and basic understanding of the first three generations, who the promises, warned us that they are the best, they are the best, you know, you know, so when he told us that the best of the oma, are these first three generations, his generation, the ones who came after them are the ones who came up to them, and he told us that
clearly. So it means that whenever we have issues and problems, we should go back to their understanding, you know, whatever contradicts their understanding of the basics of the deal, because maybe in the dunya, they may have had, you know, understandings concerning science and these other areas which are not correct. They turned out to be correct. Later on, because they're human beings. They may, you know, just a science is continually evolving from their time also, there were issues with regards to science that, you know, they have opinions about the term incorrect, but the teachings of the deal, you know, which is now based on revelation, either from the Koran or from the
Sunnah. Now, they
What they handed on is Islam. We should always keep that and this is why they were called the sell off that early generation, the righteous sell off because you had also sell off. We're not they were deviated, etc. But we're talking about the righteous amongst the earlier generations.
Dr. Benner, we, we learned from the books of Arpita that appear here for the people who are not aware of the word we have a lot of non Muslims actually watch our show the belief system, that the first generation of Muslims never disagreed on subjects of al Qaeda, even the subject of seeing Allah subhana wa Taala, the night of the ascension. If you brought together the statement of our best, and I Aisha, it's one thing known as NDA. So major subjects of al Qaeda, there is no disagreement. Now, if a layman comes in 1500 years later, and ask a PhD, or a scholar, a question regarding a matter of arcada. Should the scholar abandon the crystal clear evidence mentioned in the
Quran and the Sunnah, that nobody can manipulate? Nobody can take out of context, because it was crystal clear like you started your presentation today with Dr. Kumar and Mahajan, Baba and gums, to the opinions of scholars who can handle the fears after the generation? Or should I just provide the evidence for the subject and move forward?
Well, I think it depends on the context. You know, if you're sitting in a Masjid, and you're given a data, you know, after
Salah, or after Juma or whatever, you know, and you're giving it to the common people, then there's no need to go into anything beyond what is crystal clear, simply put, and understood. But now if you are in an academic
environment, where people are now studying, researching, comparing ideas, which arose in the past, or different periods of time, etc, now then giving additional clarity
is required there, you can't just leave it in the simple way when it's now become clouded by so many other
trends or, or sex or, you know, mud hubs, etc, which are prone, which develop different understandings based on
sources which were on Islamic sources, you know, and
sought to explain Islam from their foundations. So when you have all that,
that's now facing you, as an instructor, or a teacher, or a professor or a sheriff or whatever, you have to go into more detail in order for them to understand why these ideas are incorrect, how they became how, where did they come from, etc, you know, how to respond to their arguments. So this is where it's we have to look at the the circumstance, as I say, the Colima Carmen McCall is a suitable statement for each circumstance.
I'm sorry.
Let me unmute myself, Dr. Brown, so in our youtube broadcast, where everybody can access it and see it, I shouldn't be going into these tiny, whiny kinda, only academics can master it. You agree?
Well, it depends on that YouTube broadcast. You know, we can't just say all you to broadcast should be in simplicity. No, if it's a YouTube Broadcast for students of knowledge, people who are studying and you're providing it, you know, where otherwise they wouldn't be able to access it. You know, because we have to travel in the early days we have to travel to Medina.
You know, halfway across the world to study
the foundations, whereas
today, we have, you know, online accessibility, I don't know, seems like my presentation was frozen that okay now, the so. So this is the point, we always have to look at the circumstance, that you know the different strategies that should be used for different circumstances.
You know, that will lie I always I always say this, the best people
who can
give you the heat are the reverts if they are learned, of course,
someone like me, I'm an Egyptian, I was brought in up into Islam, got mixed up with the culture. I have seen with my own eyes, Dr. Phillips, the grave worshiping tradition, culture.
I tell you, my own family was engaged into it out of ignorance, and they are good people. There is no question about it. But how do you feel like any vert, you are a revert? How do you feel that here you are abandoned the worship of Jesus, who is a messenger of Allah.
And now you're coming into Islam, and someone is giving you the notion that it's okay to invoke a random and grace person, you're not even certain is somebody very dear or not? how he feels about that, that I left that tradition, I left the culture, I came to Islam because of the purity of La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammad Rasul Allah, like, I learned that from you negation affirmation, how I really want the results in America and across the globe, or watching us here, your, your, your reflection upon this, how would you feel about something like that?
Well, naturally, because, you know, we don't have the background of grave worship and Saint worship and all of this, which is, you know, throughout the Muslim world, whether you go from Egypt to India, you go from India, to Indonesia, or wherever you go in the Muslim world, large numbers of Muslims, you know, this has become so commonplace, that, to speak out against it, you know, your, it could be life threatening.
But for for the, for the Congress. So, for the for those who are from these groups, and now they come to realize, though the wrongness of what's going on, and they've come to understand, now the purity of the heat, and what it really means, you know, for them, it becomes a tightrope that they're walking, you know, you have to be very careful as you place each step, because, you know, you could have your old family ganging up to to kill you, even, you know, if you went too far, what you said, So naturally, for us who converted to Islam, etc,
you know, accepting in a pure Tao heat
is relatively simple, because it's straightforward. It is, as you mentioned, those of us coming from a Christian background, or from a Buddhist background, or Hindu background, etc, you know, Islam just simplified everything and made it crystal clear. You know, and this is why I tell people, you know, when we're talking about
religions, and they, they speak about in this so many religions in the world, you know, how how can you claim You're the only one that's right, and all this, you know, how I usually say, we accept this argument and try to explain to them but no, we shouldn't accept this argument. There are only two religions in this world.
There is the religion of Tao heat, where only God alone Allah subhanaw, taala is worshipped
and the rest of the religions.
God is not worshiped.
Everything else but God is worshiped.
So that's what the common factor of all
All these other religions is that they have mixed up their worship, they have their sharing part of the worship to other than the law, you know, they are negating some aspects of Allah attributes, or whatever. So they share that common
practice of not worshipping Allah alone. So they're one group, and there is only one religion in the other group.
So, that's the clarity that Muslims need to have. And when that is clear to them, then they can see
that whatever is found in that other, you know, conglomeration of, of religions, that share this
practice of shirk, that's what it comes down to. Because if you're not worshiping Allah alone, then you're engaged in some aspect of ship. So they are able to see that distinction very clearly, when people take those ideas from that group, and try to introduce it in the Islamic teachings.
And we wonder why, why are they having such a difficult time? It's so clear, you know, you know, you don't even have to think this is just, you know, that legit in Bandar strain.
But, of course, for us people our background, we don't understand what people of your background, you know, have come through and what they have grown up with, and what it takes to to extract oneself from that, you know,
nest cobweb, the traps of the spider Is it is it is the argument. And by the way, all of this, I haven't gotten you into the hot seat yet. I'm just warming up, you know, I'm just warming up.
For a state of knowledge likely being asked by laymen about grave worshipping, basically, or invoking the engraved.
Then you mention, I mentioned not you I'm sorry, the doctor, you already mentioned that. I know this for a fact. It is a stepping stone. It's an opening door.
It's evil.
It's better.
It's awful.
But I have dubbed that opinion. This is number one, this is my opinion.
Yet, it is not fake in itself.
How
Muslim?
We're talking about the grave worshipping Now, again, I'm gonna repeat the question. You're asking me because I'm special in your side because you trust my knowledge. And tamuka lead you are a blind follower who like the scholars say, Alamo college leader monster hidden 50 ad man we'll call it the blind follower is monster hit in choosing worship You follow? So he's calling you because of your statue because of your position. Now he was telling him this opinion I'm about to tell you is my opinion.
Davao shooting is haraam evil, big
stepping stone opening the door but is not sure.
What amendment will understand from that statement, shave. Please help us help us. Maybe you are not getting it.
Well, obviously, the for the lay man, it's telling him that it's okay to pray to the saints pray to the dead. I mean, that's that's the end point of that story. But actually,
the point here is not whether
this issue is in and of itself schilke
its haraam?
its destructive. It's leading to hell. Now, whether you put the labels schilke on it or just Kufa or whatever, this is just you know, they call it semantics.
If the end is the same, then
the facts the core is the same.
So that is misleading to not give the people
The clear ruling, which is based on the Quranic text, and the hygienic text, etc, which label this fundamentally as shirk, by stepping back and saying, well, it's not Chinook, but it is haram and it is big, it is forbidden and all this, but it's not sure. Well, you know, that goes against so many other texts that
we have from the Quran and the Sunnah.
Which indicates that these fine distinctions were not made.
Last one dollars, just referred to the people as machinery cool.
You know, either you're going to call on a law, or you're going to call on other than Allah.
And, you know, when the process Allah had said, at da who la bada and da that is, calling in prayer
is the essence of a body of worship. So,
when you make do it, you and you commit the act.
This is an act fundamentally of shirk.
Because even after the prophets, Allah had said this, you know, after he made the statement, he did go on, to quote, The verse or the own, he has the Jim Lacan, call on me, and I will answer you
in a levena. Yesterday, Runa eyetality.
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Luna jahannam, Daphne.
So he went on to call this verse where Allah says, calling me and I will answer you,
those who are so proud,
who feel themselves beyond this basic requirement,
which is, in fact it worship is saying that those who are too proud to worship Allah in this way, they will enter the Hellfire humiliated. This is, this is what it was, I had said and quoted from the ground. So with that word, where is there any room left to say that what you're doing here is not shirk. If you're calling on other than a law,
if you're calling on other than a law, what is the meaning of shirk, but calling on other than a law, worshiping other than a law, whether it is worshiping other than a law, instead of a law of worshipping other than a law along with a law or, or to believe that Allah is
a
daughter of God and a God of evil, you know, whatever version that they come up with, in the end, you are not worshipping Allah. So once you are not worshipping Allah, your worshipping is creation, whether it's a figment of your imagination, or a physical idol that you have created or whatever, you are worshiping other than a law and that is ship.
Simple.
You know,
is really for me, you know, I guess anybody can buy that. But, you know, I studied I learned I read books
to state that Mohammed Abdul Wahab Rahim Allah, may Allah have mercy on him and all the Muslims are blind, I mean, who passed away and served as Dean was the first one to introduce the notion
that the Arabs shake.
You know that first of all, that the division of the hate and, and the Arabs did not believe divinity or whatever, they did not attribute divinity to their idols, and that will also mean that Mohammed Abdul Wahab was the first one to say that for me, and I think Dr. Pepper Wait, may Allah Subhana Allah preserve him. He did a great job in actually detailing that. But what is your take on that point, shake
was sure it was Mohammed? No, I'm the one to speak of this of the Lord today didn't have no chip, they just, you know, what is your take on the shift please?
Well, you know, this issue of tawheed.
And how to heat is divided up, whether it is in two categories, or it's in three categories, or it's one.
In the end, it's all one, because the three and the two are only ways of looking at the one
just as a doctor in
studying the human body to treat it, he studies, the systems, the blood system, the muscular Ettore system, the skeletal system, and also on the endocrine system, and so on, and so on, so forth. So the fact that he studies these separately, doesn't mean that they exist separately. Now, together, they made that one. So similarly,
you know, which, in its core essence, is worshiping a law alone,
as a law wanted us to worship here.
And in order to do that, you have to know who Allah is.
So he explained to us who he is. And we can focus on the fact that he explained to us who he is and study how he explained to us how he is, and we call it a smile was the fact.
Or we focus on the fact that he is also the creator and Sustainer of everything. So we focus on his creational
and developmental
reality, we call it rubia. Or we focus on the acts of worship, which shouldn't be produced by these understandings of our laws, through rubia, or his as well as his names and attributes, which give us a clear picture of who he is, so we know who isn't.
So this, whether we combine it as three, or we combine it as to this is not something which, you know, Muhammad Abdul Wahab came up with himself. And even if he did, so, what
it's only a method of understanding
the oneness, you know, it's so it's not an issue to say, oh, because he came up with it. This is a, you know, an invention of his
No, the other spoke about it before.
And, you know, 500 years, 600 years before, whether it's even taymiyah, or it's in the aquarium, or even can hear, or, you know, even bata, or
all of the great scholars hundreds of years, over 500 600 years before Muhammad did not know how many Gods
mercy be upon him.
They spoke about it. Some of them use those terms, actually use the term de rubia. And
some of them didn't use the term but describe the terms in sentences. So,
so why does it matter? Who came up with
you know, the final formulation that is, that is popular now, popularly taught
that, that that should not be an issue. Either the root
of our head is there, or it's not?
The
I think a close friend of mine, who you know, who is also a student of yours, Dr. Ahmed Abdul Wahab, he sent me this, he said forget about the Arabs. Look what Allah subhana wa Tada. He's also a PhD from Medina University, the same faculty
mentioned in sola to Shara regarding the people of Ibrahim COVID. He asked him this question. He asked my own Alchemist at home
Are we gonna come out of the room?
Here's what they say no, they don't call me
an alcoholic if I were doing this out of ancestral, whatever, breakfast, so
they didn't believe but so this is the table of Ibrahim not even the Arabs, the the, you know, the the, the Muslims at the time of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam.
Dr. Bilal, here's the question.
In fairness to the subject here, he mentioned to restrictions in order to rule, this act to be shaped, or the person to be mostly I'm sorry, sorry, the act is shirt, but the person to be mushrik. He mentioned two restrictions. And you can answer the first argument about the DA, you must believe that you make him go out to the invoked to the engraved, that you're talking to him, the one who's being buried, is that is not a regular conversation is not another conversation, but you're just talking to him. This is one, two, you believe and that's the issue of the divinity, you're a they have divinity, they have attributes of divinity for this act to be sure.
I mean, how confusing Can this be to a Muslim was trying to learn though, is struggling to learn to eat? But how do you make sense of this? I mean,
I would say that
what is being said, is making a special case for human beings.
Because
if you went to an idol,
and you call them the idol,
not believing that it is God.
Right?
Not, and as the idol, for example, to carry your prayers to Allah, because this is one of the distinctions that they made that, you know, if you're just asking that the prayer be carried to Allah, this is simple
request. But the fact of the matter is, if it were an idol, and you did that, everybody would say that,
you know,
whatever you're doing there.
You know, you can explain how you want and, you know, whatever you planned and this and that, in the end. That's true. Yeah. So when we take it out of the realm of idols, and objects, and we put it in the realm of human beings, does that change? What's a dead person? What's the difference between a dead person and I don't know.
I, you know, we, I discussed this with you before, you know, the broadcast and somehow I'm really, you know, happy about myself
that I ended up concluding the same conclusion.
You know, like, like yours.
The matter reading has to do with,
you know, I cannot do
okay, I'm a Muslim.
I have a daughter, this is a scenario here.
I'm someone who goes and calls upon the engraved,
he goes to the grave, in order to invoke or talk whatever it is, whatever in his heart, whether he believes this is God or not, or whether he believes that the invoked is has divinity or not, this is in his heart. This is between him and Allah. And Allah subhanho wa Taala will hold him accountable on the day of judgment and are not going to interfere with that if Allah forgives him that his call is not mine. But for me, what do I consider this person? First of all, let me deal with the act. We know that there is the clear mclubbe axiom why the act is the act of Khufu. The Act is the act of shift. Yes, the individual he could be like my mom, my mom used to go to the graves, you know, but
she's a good lady. She didn't have any education. I taught her later. I'm not gonna rule her to be careful. No, I have to follow the process, the protocol in which we learn that economical hijabi de facto 20,000 Marina
Is that your take on the subject?
Yeah, of course, we have to make a distinction between, you know, the act, and the intent behind the act, we are only able to judge according to the
so that we can say, not everyone who does schilke is emotionally.
And that judgment in the end is with a law. But what they did was still shook. And we can identify it because the dean has taught us what is shell can what is not. So, we leave what is with a lot just like the the story and
say, beccaria about the man who good man righteous man, very, you know, noble man who, out of fear of Allah, when the time came for him to die, he told his his kids to burn his body and scatter the ashes in the, in the land and in the sea, so that the law would not catch him. Now, that concept that Allah would not be able to catch him because he has now become, you know, dust in the sea and dust on the land. That's,
that's cool for him.
You know, because that is denying a lot of attributes of being able to resurrect anybody and everybody.
So,
so in his case, Allah, you know, brought him back, you know, and rewarded it with Jenna, for the fear that he had, you know, a lot of catching him for the wrongs that he did, even though his his good maybe outweighed whatever wrong things he did, by great amounts, but he just feared a lot that much that he was driven to do this in ignorance, obviously, in ignorance. So if process Alan can tell us the story, what was the purpose of telling us that story, but to tell us that, you know, Allah is most merciful, his most gracious? Well, my good lamb was the Pina had done a referral Sula. So unless there are a lot of saying that we will not punish anyone, until a messenger has carried
that message to them, that they have heard the message and understood what is wrong. So this is the mercy and the greatness of a lost $1. But for us living now,
simply
this person is not to marry my daughter, I forgot to mention that if he comes to propose to my daughter, unless, you know, he, because he's, if I establish the Hojo against him, that what he is doing is schilke He is not a victim of ignorance is not a victim of faulty interpretation. He's not being forced, he's not trying to save his life. He didn't do this out of forgetfulness. I removed all of those, and yet he still insist this person is a mushrik. And I cannot give him my daughter in marisha.
Agree, does that come off?
Okay. Here's the, you know, another argument and I know this shift will lie. I know it's getting late to new but please just hang in there. You know, I know. We are lagging, here you are recovering from COVID. And they are mcguffie gender shift with a robot for agreeing to do this. I know that I know that, you know, you're going through it. But hang in there for a minute.
Again, we're not scholars, you know, I would learn in my everyday life. Something that I love about teaching Dr. Pillai is I learned before I come to teach, and that's the beauty of it. But we have students you know, even though we're schemes ourselves, but we have sub students, so they come and say, well, you guys, you know don't talk often now if for example, the who somehow whether implicitly or explicitly whatever it is. He said it's okay to be late and he's shy he and and yet you will die for his Muslim.
How come we cannot do this with a living person who stays teaching and we don't know what is your gonna come up with? that we have to speak out and saying that's wrong. How come we're not going after knowing the outcome will not totally rejecting now we and, and these noble scholars, we actually say Allah, for their contribution to the Dharma for the work of Islam, that prison
revision of the Wii, even though they had these two, you know,
defects here indeed, come we are picking on this one now and
please.
Well, the bottom line is that, you know, as I mentioned to you, when we discussed it earlier, if we weigh the book left, which in my mind, no, he wrote on the mollet in support of the mallet
boy am or whatever.
And his commentary on Sahih Muslim, you know, the, the two are just incompatible. One is just like a piece of dust you can blow away and it's gone. And the other one is a pot of gold. You know, so, here, you know, who is without error ROMs on santolina School Benny Adam for pa every December the mme is
making errors all the time. So, if we are to reject people, you know, for any error that they made, then we have become like the college, you know, like the body, you know, who have this built into their system? Because they are descendants from Hawaii. You know, are you the one who commits a sin major sin is in hell forever? There's no coming out. That's it finished? And that story? No, there's one two extremes. You know, when the processor I'm talking about people coming out of Hellfire, etc, etc. So what was he talking about?
Yeah, so the point is that, the, when we look at the great scholars of the past, you know, we, we recognize what's right and good and praise them for it. And if they have errors, we identify those areas, we're aware of it, we don't have to make a big, you know, banner and hold it up. You know, Mom, if it made a big mistake here, and this one made a mistake, and we don't have to do that. That's not necessary. We don't have to do that with people living even, you know, so amongst us. So the point is that
we take the good, and the errors, we recognize them, and we avoid them. We inform those who are students who may be exposed to them and may not be able to circum vent the issues. So we clarified for them, but we don't become haters of the mob. Now we, you know, burning his books, you know, are there are people doing that in reality, you know, 1.2 extremes, they were burning email, no his books back in the 90s. And people just, but an even shake was unable to distinguish, you know, yourself, Leo student I can but somebody, wouldn't you say just stay away if you're unable to distinguish the right from the wrong.
You know, especially if you're sitting in front of an eloquent, well spoken, convincing,
you know,
that if you if you run away from him, because he's gonna convince you because of his foot jack, would you advise us to advise our students not to come near this run away, because you're unable to distinguish this from that.
Where you have somebody who is clearly calling to concepts, which go against the well known established understanding of the deal. You know, there's no longer Mahajan paid off. It's about who understands what they understand and who can explain the best and this kind of thing, where you have a situation like that, you know, then of course, you have to advise people better not to take knowledge from this individual, you know, to sit in a circle, it doesn't mean that everything that he teaches or has taught etc, is wrong and misguided, you know, but better to take advice, you know, okay, he wrote such a such a book.
Is this a useful book or not? It's very good, it's useful as well. Okay, take the benefit. But the point is that you don't open the door totally and say, okay, just go you can sit with them, and whatever you find is
Kinda weird, just come back and ask me about it, I'll tell you, maybe when he comes back with something where, you know, he can't find you, you're busy gone, and then he's just circled in his head, and it's carried on. So yeah, of course, it's better to avoid from life teachings, but where there are there teachings which are set in books, you know, I just like, you know, writings, for example, as a luxury, you know, who, who identify many of these issues we're talking about, identify them, though, he, you know, became a great scholar amongst the martyrs in lights, you know, the rationalists, who, who had gone astray, you know, in that in that matter, yet, you know, his stuff,
Syrah tafsir, you know, the machete and a Razzie, they're tough tears are still kept in our libraries. And we go and research and take things from them, because they were experts in a number of different fields.
You know, they died. Now we know where the harm is, where the benefit is, you know, they die they have done, you know, but a living person that you never know what is going to come next, you know,
that's the scary part, I'm just afraid that something else is gonna come and, and that's why we take that position, you know, I, you know, I, that's my opinion a lot.
Now, this is, this is the wise choice, you know, this is the wise advice that we need to give our without,
you know, turning it into a hatred. So that's what we have to be careful of, with our students, you know, that the other younger generation, it's very easy to shift from dislike, because of errors that they made into hatred. And, you know,
you know, a lot tells us in the car that, you know, the righteous amongst us, makes the douar polenta Alfie colluvial
phenomenon, you know, though we should not have, you know, hatred in our hearts for the believers. So, because of believers made an error and you know, mistake or whatever, then it shouldn't turn into something of hatred, but more something of pity, do offer em tried to help if you can, etc. But then, you know, you have to avoid and advise others to avoid.
You know, Omar at one time he stopped by
a Jewish rabbi, and all by himself said that I was so amazed at how sometimes the Old Testament has some citations, narrations that identical to what's in the Quran, and he decided to compile some of it and bring it to the Prophet sallallahu wasallam. And that is where the Prophet made that statement, beautiful statement which you started the broadcast with that
I have no top, would you advise
a Muslim to go into
a non Muslim University?
to major, you know, even though we haven't the National Open University, behind you have Medina, we have other Institute's to major in Islamic Studies in a field of Islamic Studies, would you advise a Muslim to study under non Muslims
the subject of Islam, whether it is the fundamentals or the branches?
Well, I would not say that simply because a person is a non Muslim, that they are incapable of conveying
accurate information. So, I will not just close the door. However, I would say that of course, you know, a person after having completed his studies, if he wanted to go and look at the arguments of the orientalists, etc, you know, to study under them to hear their arguments and develop counter arguments against their arguments for the benefit of the oma and this is there is no harm, but everyone, you know, dives in because they want a degree from you know, XYZ University, you know, because that will give them status and
etc. You know, then this is very dangerous. One exposes oneself to their father, and I know many you know, who tried to study in McGill in Canada, which used to be
the headquarters for training missionaries to go and convert Muslims in different parts of the world.
Others, you know, so they have a very strong department of Oriental Studies, etc.
But what graduated from the east and came and tried to study with them, they wouldn't give them the time of day, you know, if they didn't change their ideas, and change their, their, their point of view to become neutral,
then they were not going to graduate. And I know them, brothers and sisters went there spend three, four years, five years, and then the end they had to give up, because it just wasn't happening, you know, because they had a particular agenda. The agenda was to, you know,
to manipulate that individual's understanding until he became one like them and orientalist, very, very sad, shaped.
Using the subject of academic, you know, like, let's look into this academically and research and cancel out any agema any built up,
you know, opinion, for the last 14 years, let's bring the subject into specially if the subject
is a subject of IBM of unseen the six articles of faith of a man.
And let's just, you know, use intellect use academic use resource language, when we know that a lot of that subject has to do with believing in Allah,
that Allah said that in the Quran, or on the time of his messenger, that's really, you know, like Abu Bakar said about the Naira. Do you know about the slot? I'm sorry, the Mirage was not even date. Did he say that? Then I believe it, even though academically Google Map, that's the word that my friend Daniel happy to use. He's not in the Google Map.
I mean, what kind of sense is that for a Muslim? Who believes a lie exist? But he doesn't see Allah subhanaw taala? Who believe that angels exist, and he does not see the angels who believe that God exists, he does not see them. He believes in the Day of Judgment.
Is that something that is healthy, to speak like that? On a public forum like that, to to layman Muslims.
Of course, you know, this is not correct. It's not the correct approach to know, academically, you know, can be in terms of methodology of research, how you conduct your research and things like this, we can learn from them, because they have been very thorough, you know, in gathering information and manipulating it, and all kinds of other things they did with it, but you know, how to reach to those sources together to test to, you know, so So, so from their methodologies, we could benefit, but the conclusions that they have come to, as a result of their interpretation of their findings. You know, that's a whole nother story is just like the issue of evolution. You know,
can we deny that there were dinosaurs?
Who said there weren't any dinosaurs?
You know, a person who has gone through basic education understands this is real, you know, these footprints, they found these bones, they found all this stuff. This is not something we're making up, right. So, yes, the dinosaurs were there, you know, but the point is that when you now start to give color to the dinosaur,
you've put a skin on them and give it a color.
Hey, you know, this is this is pure speculation. You know, you cannot figure out the color, you know, of the skin of an animal from its bones.
It just doesn't happen. But they have gone ahead and done it, you know, this is there. So they've made evolution, it's presented in such a, you know, Hollywood style, you know, story, you know, that people say, but I saw it on TV, you know, so I didn't miss books. But then I realized that gaps have been filled. So, because there is an agenda. So similarly, you know, those who are engaged in the orientalist studies, they have an agenda. their agenda is to undermine
Islam in general, it's not to say every last one of them.
Were very honest and very open, you know, and speaking, so, so clearly that some people ask them after their speeches, I use them
in the handouts say no, sorry, I'm not, you know, I'm thinking about it, though I'm reading about it or whatever, but they speak very honestly and very openly, you know, so we don't want to say everybody on that other side is, it's like that, but we do know that the whole orientalist
centers of learning were specifically connected with the colonization of the world and to a large degree, it was of the Muslim world. And this was a system of education, which would undermine existing existing systems, you know, and bring people towards secondaries, we understand that this is all intertwined. So, we have to be very careful when dealing with sources that are not
secure, you know, we have doubts about them, etc.
You know, I love this idea of when the Prophet sallallahu wasallam mentioned about the man who started riding his cow and the cow looked at him and he said, Hey, you know, I'd like created me to help you blow the the earth to help you cultivate not to ride me. Further companions said about peloton into kalamera, Salama,
you know, it's too too much is an oatmeal.
You know, you know, we, you know, Islam is about that there is a whole portion of that religion that the foundation is about that is, so
also a valley will not be tolerated. Know that if the religion was based on opinion, and on reason and logic, then wiping the bottom of your socks will be given precedence over wiping the top, but I saw a pseudo loss, right, wipe the top, not the bottom now. So that's telling us that, you know, there is a place for knuckle and a place for no place for, for what is being revealed and, and reached us from Colorado from the center, and where we have our own reasoning and logical rationale, etc. But we have to keep them in their proper place.
I know that it's been nice, but you are, I can see it in your eyes. And you owe me a lot he will do. But one last advice, please.
too. You see, unfortunately, in America here.
I didn't want to please this politically correct. So I'm not sounding like a hater like NVR or any of that.
institutions have been built bodies, entities without moving anybody. And they groups like international open university or the beautiful University behind you, which I learned a lot from it.
If someone in your faculty in your staff, I know the manner of going about it is going to be a little bit different comes in public.
And he makes a mistake that your own institution has been teaching.
It's wrong. Shouldn't be faculty, the entity, international Open University come out and clarify that or should they stay silent? without ruining anything here? I hope you understand my questions.
Well, it depends on the seriousness of what has been said. You know,
if it is something massive, then obviously the university has to take a stance and explain that. This is not our beliefs, that's the belief of the individual etc, which we don't all we're opposed to.
And if it is something minor, then we talked to that individual by himself. You know, and, you know, it's like,
at the same time, we know the situation with Chef bin buzz, you know, headed Medina University when I was studying there, and he brought over, you know, professors from Egypt. You know, who had this
no issues with their
aqeedah issues shallow
pinching, but he brought them, he brought them over Anyway, you know, because they have their great knowledge in other areas. So what he did was he just made sure that whoever was teaching aqeedah was somebody, you know, who had come from a background of the way of the early generations, you know, were influenced by me and, you know, others. So, they just ensure that those were the people who taught those subjects. So, you know, I, you have to weigh your situation, a circumstance, and, you know, you act accordingly, you know, but no doubt that, you know, where a person has become infamous, you know, in calling to
what opposes the religion.
It's really the, the standard understanding that has been there since the time of the prophets, Allah, you know, that such individuals, you know, shouldn't be removed from the faculty. And also, clarification should be there, where possible, to let the public understand that this individual no longer is representative of the university.
You know,
what I love about you, you make so much sense, if you know, you, you know, it's it, you know, and you say it in a very, and that's what I need to learn from, you know, your your,
your tranquility, and peaceful presentation of poise. You know, we get, we get a little bit hard.
But
one last question before we go in Sharla. And this is, I promise, this is the last question.
What is your advice to those a lot of people are watching us you cannot imagine, and I know a lot of people will be watching this in the future. What advice do you give? I know, I know what I should tell them just enroll in that faculty behind you, you know, it's online, it's accessible and trustworthy knowledge and I testify to that. But people who don't have that flexibility, they can only allow a certain time, they cannot, what advice can you give to them to save themselves from that obviously, the prophet mentioned that there will be 73 groups out there and everyone will be trying to convince you of the way What advice do you give, especially the youth who are seeking
guidance at this time?
Well, I would advise them to be open minded,
open minded in the sense that, you know, they study under
and with as many different sources as possible, you know, be like Imam Shafi, who study so much of his life under Mr. Malik dilemma, Malik died, you know, he became a narrator of the mapa, you know, he had all of this knowledge and his respect was so great for my money that they wouldn't teach even though he was capable of teaching until Mr. Malik died. Then he went to Yemen, you know, he studied under the scholars there. Then he went to bow that he studied under the scholars there, they, you know, Hanafi school, whatever, you know, then he came to to Egypt, and he chose to study out of the students, the Imam,
what's his name again?
His name slips my mind. But
besides
that, you know, I let him decide people don't even know about today. You know, if you ask him, you know,
they haven't heard. Anyway, the point is, when he got there, ladies had died. So he studied under mom lay students, and he absorbed his teachings change this, his mother changes his approach and his understanding. And, you know, of course, after Mr. Malik when he went to Yemeni made changes after him a Yemen and he went to buy that, you know, he made changes and after he made changes
You know, it's not it's not a bad thing, it's not a bad thing to get information and get further information and change your understanding based on
this is a part of, of learning learning process. So, but totally change your shift just to place this in context, we're talking about branch of the branches of the religion where grave shooting is not okay, in India and Haram in America, right is is great for shooting his shirt schilke rifle, just just for because that's the context was the subject. So, Shafi is is talking about, you know, the branches the the flip
of the religion right there, the practical aspect of Yeah.
But to say that it doesn't involve a pita, also, you know, you this extraction of fit to the point where fingers fit canopy, there's no air in too often. You know, it's all Dean. So in the end, you know, when he was learning on a Monday, he was learning how to, he wasn't just learning.
You know, similarly when he went to
went to LA, so, you know, we don't need to actually separate them such to the point where it's okay there and it's not okay, there. I'm just referring to the
little piece that he changed, you know, he changed his basis opinion, not on the
semantics of the religion, right. That's, that's the point I'm making.
Yeah, okay.
But the bottom line is that he was open minded, meaning that he didn't become the blind follower of any of his teachers. He took from them, he benefited and he carried on. He learned from others, he benefited, he corrected, changed, whatever, and he moved on, you know, this is the point that we're traveling through this life. And we are going to come across a number of different people know, and we should be open minded enough to sit and learn under those who are known to be trustworthy. We're not I'm not talking about you know, going into areas where people are corrupted and it's now under disguise. Often, you're just gonna go see to them just for the sake of being open minded. No, you
know, if you see the clear error in front of your face, here, you leave that one and you move to somebody who's reliable as you you should always be careful of whom you take acknowledge traumas, early, Tabby
leases, I wanted to I wanted to get a good night's sleep tonight please You know, you look a little bit tired. May Allah subhanaw taala reward you Dr. Phillips for taking the time you know, I know that you you know i pressured you to come because we needed a voice like you you know to speak out you know, and we need you shave mela prolong your life with a man certainty and he'll feel better and I mean and keep you safe safe. May Allah subhanaw taala increase you and bless you, your families and your your everything that you do share here, you're doing great in sha Allah. At the end of this broadcast, I wouldn't say jacamo feeling that's that's all like, you know, I can say
I wish I can do more. I wish I can jump to where you are right now. We just give you a hug and you know, but may Allah Allah, Allah here, Dr. Villa and please, we need to repeat this more or not only when something awful happens in the West. We will come in please keep us in mind as we go in Sharla there's like a lucky shift.
As long as I'm able, I'm always happy to help Jazakallah Villalba Salaam Alaikum Salaam fabricare two brothers and sisters in Islam May Allah subhanaw taala
reward all of you are blind I mean,
we see here oh can
I guess at the end of this broadcast? You know I will inshallah, finish here in the light Allah.
I want to say Jazakallah Phelan to Dr. Bilal Philips now last pan out either you or them tremendously out of blood, I mean, your last pan out Allah give him Jenna and
reward his efforts.
Brothers and sisters in Islam, I want to conclude with this verse.
For amazon fire, how would you fare?
Well, my young found NASA fair young co to fill out the
that verse is so beautiful Allah subhana wa tada set a parable that
you know,
water comes down and it runs into a stream and it it carries dirt and it forms forms on the surface.
This is what Allah calls EBIT. This is the garbage. This is the people who come every now and then and attack Islam making it out Islam, this is the form.
As long as the stream is running,
that form always dies on the sides. That does, but with one condition, the stream has to be running as long as though hate is running, which will run until the day of judgment because Allah preserved it in the Quran and Sunnah. People memorize it in action like yourself, this all will die brothers and sisters in Islam. I love you all for the sake of Allah May Allah subhana wa Taala guide every Muslim in the face of this earth, including the brother who triggered this broadcast now let me Allah guide me a little bit on me. And Allah guide every single Muslim y'all.
May Allah guide them to the truth, which Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam came with? I love you all for the sake of Allah and I look forward to our next broadcast. Tell them as salaam alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh
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