Book Launch – Foundation to Hadith Science

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delay was Salatu was Salam ala rasulillah when it was happy woman well,

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Salaam Alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh to everybody Welcome, all of us, all of you joining us live to this launch event for the book foundation to Hadith sciences published by a salon press.

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My name is Isa. I am the publication's manager here at a Salaam Institute. And I'm also a postgraduate student here at Oxford. So I thought I would just quickly start with an introduction before we get into the event. A an introduction to a Salaam Institute just for those of you that haven't encountered us before. So a Salaam Institute was founded in Oxford in 2006 by our principal chef Akram and his daughter samaya.

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Initially this was to the goal was and still is to provide professionals, you know, working professionals with the opportunity to study Arabic and Islamic Studies.

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It initially this took the form of a small but dedicated band of students in a dingy room in Oxford reading Sahil Bahari with chakram.

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And eventually, from there, it grew into what it is today with hundreds of students across the world online and

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in many different countries.

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We mainly here at Salaam Institute, we do all sorts of stuff, including residential programs in other countries, such as in Spain, Morocco, Malaysia,

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short courses on a range of topics from within the Islamic sciences. But our main offering really is the is the Lumia program, the seven year old me a program, which we used to run on site, but at the moment due to COVID. And all of the disruption, it's now online, so completely accessible for everyone around the world.

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Now decided me a program it, you know, they're seven years and obviously different levels, depending on your own level. But what is common is that it's the standard of teaching that you receive, and the fact that it is really an opportunity for people who are professionals and have other commitments to, you know, go really deep into the Islamic sciences.

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Applications are currently open, and they all will be until the end of July. So if you're interested, then please head over to our website as salaam that ac.uk you can see that in the banner and I think there'll be a link sent out in the comments as well. So that's a little piece just to start off.

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Now turning to tonight's event. We're delighted to be holding the first ever our first ever book launch on this book. Should I have a copy here actually

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foundation two headed science published by a slam press and co authored by Dr. Akram Latvian Akram nadwi and Dr. Abizaid.

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We're honored to be joined by by our guests. So both the authors, Dr. Chef, Akram nadwi. Chef, Dr. Abizaid, as well as

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distinguished

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professor from the US doctor is either we're delighted to welcome all of you slumber icon

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to all of you.

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And inshallah, we are excited for a very productive and engaging conversation.

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Before we start with the, with the presentations, I'll just quickly mention a couple of points. One is that if you don't have a copy of the of the book yet, we will soon be sending out a link in the comments for which you can click on and then purchase the book.

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And also finally, just before I start, the general format will be will have about an hour where we do presentations for the our three guests for our three speakers. And then after that's finished, we'll have an open q&a. I'll start with pre sent questions,

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set of questions which are sent in advance and then we'll move to

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the live questions in the comments. And so please do send in your questions in the comment section as we go along. So I will stop talking now. That's it for me and I will I will introduce our first speaker and that is Dr. Abizaid who is the founder and director of the

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For our literacy interest Institute, he holds degrees in Islamic Studies, as well as traditional ages and 10 modes of Quranic recitation, in books of Hadith, and many, many Islamic texts. He is the author of children's bequest, a textbook on the science of Madrid, based on the first English translation of the Arabic classic dofetilide file.

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He is a translated the book,

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foundation two headed science to English and he is also importantly a graduate of a Salaam Institute. So we're delighted to be welcome welcoming him back, albeit in a virtual setting. So, Dr. Abizaid over to you

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smilla rahmanir rahim al hamdu Lillahi Rabbil alameen wa sallahu wa salam ala nabina Muhammad wa ala alihi wa sahbihi wa sallam. First of all, let me extend my greetings to all the brothers and sisters of Salaam Institute, my Steam teacher, Chef, a criminal GUI and everyone else involved in this effort. Chef hisamitsu and others. It's a pleasure to be here.

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Let me clarify at the outset, I am not the co author of this book. This book is entirely chef crumbs. I am just the translator. So I really should not be here today. It's a the book is of Sherlock Holmes. And the foreword was written by our esteemed Professor Sam Edo who has done a lot of research in how the sciences I'm a humble student of Sherif Crum and I utilize his lessons

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is invaluable lessons in the little teaching that I do.

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Let me say a few things I think people wanted to know from the perspective of a student.

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Something about the scholarship of Sheila chrome in Hadith. And I summarized in the translators foreword of this book. The from my perspective, there are five I've worked from what I've witnessed, there are five major manifestations of Sherlock Holmes had a scholarship. So ever since I met you, how come more than 11 years ago.

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What drew me to him I you know, I'm grateful to Allah azza wa jal for allowing me to benefit from such a personality and meeting him was eye opening for my life and life changing for me,

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in my own journey, in knowledge,

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and shared outcomes, how the scholarship was, was what impressed me the most. And there are five manifestations that I listed in there no particular order. And I'm also maybe missing some things. Number one is the monumental work that he's done on female scholarship in in Islam. So he's authored a book called warfare by Esma. In USA, I think it's 53 volumes. And is he authored it a while ago, but his recent been published last year. So this is a monumental effort from his side, where he compiled all the biographies of female scholars.

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And that research work took him to various libraries and and he's mentioned himself in various settings in his writings and to us as students. This really fine tune his skill in research, and allowed him to know to learn how to navigate manuscripts and look up things and look up Biograph, biographical works and he's always sharing that with us in our class for that we're indebted to him. So this is the first major manifestation of his scholarship a law fabulous mine is a highly encourage everyone to take advantage of this work and purchase it if they can. So monumental work. And the second for me, maybe perhaps more important, is Chef crumbs research into surgery Hill

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Buhari,

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you know the most authentic book of Hadith. The Sahil Bihari is is, you know, is central to Islamic scholarship and Islamic intellectual tradition. So shakra has been teaching as brother as I mentioned, a Salaam Institute. When it first started Shahrukh Khan was teaching Sahil Bahati when I joined his classes we were fortunate to study keytab and will do from beginning to end and when I attended those classes I was blown away have never studied the survey in that manner in that depth. Going to every single holidays looking into the subtleties studying riddle and shakin really opened our eyes We study Kitab we will do and then after that, we restarted from the beginning of Gita but

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it will worry. So this is the second major manifestation of Shahar crumbs for the scholarship is his research and ongoing teaching of Sahil Bihari and that led to a book that he recently authored, and he

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Send me an upgraded or an updated version only yesterday in have begun the translation a few weeks ago is going to be entitled on Madhava Illa Sahil Buhari. So it's going to be another book that's going to be published very soon inshallah, which is a primer to understanding Sahil Buhari. So this is the second manifestation. Number three is Shah chromes engagement with Sahih Muslim in other renowned book of Hadith. And for those who know and his students know very well that he's been working on a commentary on Sahih Muslim that fulfills a need that in in the scholarship and study and research of Sahih Muslim.

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He's been working on that diligently for years. And I think I believe it's, you know, it's closer to completion than it was previously. So we're very looking we're looking forward to there very much, is going to be an original commentary in Arabic, looking at points of regional, it's going to include a brief commentary and it's going to reorganize the chapter headings

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according to the intent of Mr. Muslim. So that's number three. Number four, are the classes of Quran and Sunnah telemovie we were very fortunate to study that anatomy of course, and he's continues to teach that.

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So those are very valuable classes that focus on physical Hadeeth and that also resulted in another book we share Akram has completed and after I finished translating matalas Sahil Bihari, I plan to move on to their big data is going to be called on multiple ILA soon an attorney. And finally the last manifestation brings us to this book today.

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shikaka authored a number of introductory books to

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the foundation or the science of Hardy. The first one is lm Abadi fi earlville Hadeeth will is now which was published by a Salamis to Institute which was a more basic primer and the second one is a subject today, the foundation to Hadith science at them heed the earlville Hadith. So this is the subject of the book launch today, I was fortunate to spend

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the newfound time.

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In the pandemic year, when we were forced to work from home in the massager, good clothes, I spent most of that time translating this book, and it was published just a couple weeks ago. So this is an amazing book. It captures a lot of the insights and lessons that she has shared with us in his classes over the years. And it's a great introductory primer to engaging the science of Hadith. And it contains all sorts of topics There are five majors units or sections and I'll go through them briefly. The first unit or the first section is

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concerning foundational concepts in Suna and Hadith. So here she explores the relationship between the Quran and the Sunnah between the Sunnah and Hadith, the difference between Hadith and philosophy, the difference between Hadith and folk. So these are amazingly insightful chapters that give you a good grounding and how to,

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you know,

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understand these basic concepts before you get into a deeper study of Hadith. The second portion of the book has to do with foundational principles, and how the sciences. So there's a chapter on Sophie Hardy, the meaning of surgery, the meaning of hazard and the meaning of the brief. How do we view morsel and malkuth reports. And then there's a critical engagement of knows how to another a work of even Roger is also part of this chapter. So there's invaluable chapters in here. This third portion has to do with books of Hadith. There's a chapter on the Murata, Abu hanifa, Abu hanifa Kitab Al Azhar. And then the fourth, or the third chapter unit has to do with the transmitters of

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Hadith. So there's some insights into ritual and the generation the tears of scholarship of the people brought us a hadith. And fourthly, there's a series of chapters on the journey, or the commitment to Hadith. Shere Khan shares his own journey and Hadith. And then he gives us a pathway for students of Hadith was the proper way to approach the study of this complex science. And finally, the book ends with advice, invaluable advice to students of Hadith, where he advises us to commit, you know, renew our commitment to the Quran to the authentification or Hi, Dave, to good manners to privilege comprehension over memorization, and rewire and so on and so forth. So it's an

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invaluable book and

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I'll end with this. You know, when I translate, I always feel this anxiety and hesitation.

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This book was authored by Shahar crumb in Arabic. And in my translation, I'm certain that I may not have chosen the best English expressions for certain terms. I'm sure I've made many mistakes. So people should realize that this is a translation of shaker crumbs, ideas, and if there are mistakes in there, they should be attributed to me first, before you trip, attribute them to the author. And this anxiety in that I felt translating sugarcrm deals with it, I found some resolution in one of the chapters, you know, translation. When I translate I was keep in minds the words of Dr. Ibrahim Musa, who said that translation is nothing but an intense or more demanding form of what we do and

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we read. So translation is very much an act of interpretation. And she cockrum elaborates on that in, there's a chapter in here on transmission of books from their authors. So he discusses certain books in our tradition that were authored by great authors like keytab, will author of Abu hanifa, the most innovative jaffery most novel burhani, Abu hanifa.

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And they what they really represent are his students who translated their ideas in in thought and compiled books. So may perhaps,

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that gives us some reason that's not the case with this book, Shahar comm did compile this book at them heed the original Hadith.

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But in the translation, I did take some liberty in translating certain things, reorganizing a few things here and there. So let people know that this is a I'm not the best student here. cockrum is a translation of his works. And just keep that in mind. You should not detract from Shea Cochran brilliant scholarship and his ideas. People want to refer to certain ideas. They should refer to the original Arabic, and for everyone else is an invaluable resource to advance in your study of ahaadeeth. And I'll close with that said Imani.

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Thank you

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Dr. Abizaid for beautifully laying out those five manifestations of chef crumbs work and for the insight into the mind of a translator. Some of the challenges involved.

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So we'll now be we'll move on to our next presentation. I'll introduce Dr. Sam ido from who who is

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currently a senior lecturer of Arabic Languages and Literature at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee. His research focuses on the Quran in late antiquity, antiquity and Hadith studies in Sufism, and his teaching interests focus on modern and classical Arabic language, Arabic literature, Islamic Studies and Quranic Arabic. Prior to the Syrian uprising, Professor Ito served as a lecturer in the Faculty of Islamic Studies in the department of Quran and Hadith in the University of Damascus. his doctoral work, early headed scholars in their criteria of heavy criticism presented a new understanding of the criteria used by Muslim scholars in accepting or

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rejecting traditions attributed to the Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam and the transformations of that criteria from the classical to the modern period.

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Professor Ito without any further ado, please follow

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him at hamdulillah Hello behind me while that aside what I'm testing alesina Mohammed in rather early he was happy to be here as main or mentor via home by signing Eli on the

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screen is such a blessing to be with you and to talk about this important book written by Dr. Crump nadwi. And especially this book, a book that I read, and

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it's Arabic version, not an English version, since my Arabic is a native language and also the book written

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first and Arabic and then translated into English.

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I really enjoyed the language of the book, and how's Dr. Crum wrote the book, it's eloquent clear and remind me is a high level of scholar of

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writing their books. So just like I want to say I'm not

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knowledgeable enough to maybe to comment or to add to this book. There are many people

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more knowledgeable than me.

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Who can maybe add something to this book but however, as our scholar said, lie more often on baina actually. So this an invitation a cannot decline and maybe through my commencement comments, I can benefit from

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Dr. Akram and lecturer Abizaid, and also from

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all

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old questions. I so just like I want to be sure that my screen is shared.

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Yes. Okay.

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So, my mybucks participation, title is contribution of the book to contemporary studies studies. And I'll start with preliminary points, talking about three points. The first one significance of the discipline as we know that all Sunil Hadees is,

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is a wing of two major wings of,

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of the main disciplines produced by Muslim scholars, the first one are solid bodies, and the second one, also an alpha, so, not understanding or if we don't understand this item. So, it seems we cannot fly and we cannot understand observed and digest the history of Islam and how we can understand and interpret the sacred text and our, our text. So, and Victor Ekrem generously, as Dr. Jose mentioned, he gave us very important

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ideas in the beginning of the book, how we can differentiate between hobbies, philosophy, hobbies, and then how we can understand the role of a role of soon. And the second one, the second point here, authenticity and identity. So, the text and the Hadees shape our

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Muslim identity and Muslim society. So without understanding how these without understand the concept of authenticity, mostly,

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there are foggy vision or foggy views on the history of Islam. So, this is an aspect of Islam raised, especially in the time of crisis. So mostly like Muslim, when they

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they witness crisis time going back to their text, and then reproduce the idea of authenticity. That's why we can see in the beginning of slammed, Hades was dominant on the in that time and also in the 20th century, we can witness the same the same

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phenomenon. So, the third point here, there is a phrase

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used by all ama to describe different genres, and they say Hell has an aim another job with me and those were let me have another job well, I mean, does that mean is this like this item as a discussion on this island, on this discipline finished or done cooked or or not done or not cooked? So however, so, reading the book of Dr. Akram giving an idea this item still can reduce many ideas, many notions and many discussions and as you can see later, so, let us move to the third. I'm sorry the second

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slide, talking about complexity of the sibling here I have five points the first point books of Hades terminology early and late. So, one of the confusing or

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one of confusing points, when we study Hadees is mostly like Sunni of Hades with masala Hadees without understanding the history of the discipline. And all of these points like just like let me

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describe all of this point talking about the history of the discipline and the context or intellectual context of the discipline. So understanding to understand better the discipline we need to understand the chronological and

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the timeframe of the item. And for that there are two technical term used by automatic and used clearly by Robbie in his book resented it. Dial in

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his introduction to keytab, Ms. anydata, when he said this island divided between two generations of alienation called a Nautica demon as a second one, and if you don't,

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and understanding this dividing line between the domain and the FET in the history of knowledge and how we discuss all all ideas and all things in this, in this discipline can help a lot, how we can locate how we can address each notion is this knowledge. So this is a very important thing we need to understand and heavy in his book means any academic said is the dividing line between the academia and the affiliate. He was the head of

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three 300 years. That's me and see

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me

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that's mostly after combining six

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books. So and he like I agree with Dr. Akram when he said

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in terms of

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observation in his book in the novel, when he mentioned that the first book combined is a history of famine. Hades was around a whole museum facet. But he said there are several books written before a while. And for sure, and without any hesitation, that shafia he was the one who

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launched and started this, this discipline in his book, reseller, and also in his book, g man. So we can trace the fears and airly definition of how the society and a reseller through one page and this one page,

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summarized later by mocha limited Minnesota and becoming one line, and that's what students of this science read when they read and Makati mahadevi society will be not clear I'll do the binnacle applied topically I mislead him when he ran into her

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mineral issues and while I let him call the Ha.

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So so let me move to the second point here. We're talking about books of transmitted Hadees, authentication and canonization. So this a very important historical observation how we can address and praise the quotable rewire. So, one thing that I noticed in the book by Dr. Akram said that Hadith in Bukhari Hadith in Sahih, hurry connected and motivated to snap the books before him not connected and especially we speak about kitabi as a as a very important observation. So I don't know if that's right or not right, how we can judge the previous books by the following book coming later. So, this is the history of knowledge, mostly like we can witness is the first and maybe the

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second century, many many books many, many more from affair written without maybe connected the standards like what we witness in keytab, Amazon efe, Ambrose, Lux unani and some even abishai and other

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other books baraki and all of these books, so, then, so, how we can judge all of these books and then especially after like the canonization period, after like, we can witness There are six canonical books. So, here most mostly Muslim rely on these books, but this here we need to solve this issue, can we judge the second generations combination was on effect based on the third generation, I think we need to to work a lot here to analyze what happened and especially is this like a boy that criticized by especially wisdom

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kalmyks colors, there is what they call Raphael no poof is connecting disconnected. So, I need

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let me move to the third point, this element itself or Illustrator had a nomenclature. So, there are two concepts here I want to focus and I noticed in the book, so the first one, the concept Alif Asahi, and its usages and the second one chef. So the Ekrem criticized, not criticized, but he says there are different categories for so he has not just like one category. So and there are three categories for here and I think

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Maybe I can add here. So do we speak about the concept of saho Newspeak about the usage of Sofia? So what we can witness in mocha limitedness, as a summarized line of

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the text of an image I have here is reseller I think he will talk about the concept of Sahaja Shafi a

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term used for so he used and Fisher, so alhaja becoming Zen Asahi, then, so, like he's talking about a philosophical or the car is a core concept of Sati. But we are not talking about the usages. So, I think just like we need to be careful when we talk about the concept or talking about usages. And I believe that Victor Ekrem

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know about all of these details, that just like I'm reading this from an angle of Taliban Island, and Okay, so how we can now

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differentiate all of these. So we have different concepts, or we have one concept and then different usages. So then what, what when we say, Hey, what's the meaning of site, and what the weather was that this typological definition of science, and the second one shares, we know that the definition of shares by an Imam Shafi becoming

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the main definition of shares and later error, but however, also we need to understand what's happening for the concept of shares between a shopping and then between a high community somebody and also elderly. So, also here Do we need to reduce or to introduce there is a concept for shares and then different usages. And here maybe I can take a talk about this more if like, if anyone interested in in the different concept of shares between a Shafi and between a family and hacking minister will because my time it's not enough to talk about all of these technical issues.

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We have I think, in the end Q and A session, I think we can talk about this because this very connected with the idea of Hades and Islamic schools and then the concept or the approach of hanafy methodology or the Hanafi approach to the Hanafi heavy systems.

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So

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So

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I witnessed that in many books, like we read the classification of Hades in the first video in the academy videos, there are

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just like to Asahi and then five and then becoming Tribble Hades here and then Hassan and in life and becoming then five categories, or is it is it is, the lady has ended that he has an invader here. And if and then maybe we can produce another one called like maybe life lady his like hobbies that there's no snad or maybe fake or maybe more blue or boba tea. And then with motiva with all of these, like hobbies,

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some colors, bring all of these shapes a concept of life. And this like to make this Hades used in Florida, amen. So what's happening is the history of Hades and how we can understand that. So I think we need just like to analyze what's happening in the, what we call systematization, of Hadees. of Chinese criticism. So I think the idea behind beyond that is just like to stretch. And here I put the term to extend or to stretch the idea of authoritative report. So in the time of academia, the mostly remote received as handy but then to stretch the idea of Ziya. And then to use all of these hobbies and football and for loyal man in Africa, in Canada, maybe in this effort is the man to

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stretch the concept of

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the authoritative report and then to find a way to make these Hadees maybe used or accessible in different genres. Why is that happening? Because mostly Hadees is a very rich source and

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Muslim need to use to maybe to build some concepts and economy.

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notions or maybe discussions or maybe in fact, he calls this the fifth point here is maybe the most important point for me and this like a very

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important debate in our modern time talking about these and some

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Good schools. So just connecting. The last point was the first point books are for this technology and early and late. So in the early videos in like most academia, we don't see

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a mill Hades as solid as we see right now or from Alibaba or from Agnes Lola and so on. So I met her This is the first three centuries is just like a debate between four systemic schools the first one medical school or Lima medic when ns who

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base the idea of Holly's criticism on hammock and then matassini and also dislike all models in the literature. Maybe these people who initiate or maybe created many discussions surrounding the use of the symbology and Heidi's criticism, and maybe we will talk about this later in the critical observation, the end

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and then, so, so, we have many key and then matassini literature and motors electric literature, have a different a different approach to holistic criticism based on the subjective criticism as subjective approach towards these, so they don't accept just like water, water or sun and Matura and reject sun and rain Matura are acceptable and not accepting others they are very subjective, and they have a central

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concept calls to as a two canonical concept or universal concept, Aladdin, the divine justice and the unity of God. And these concepts through this concept they criticize Hades, even though mutawatir or mature or ahead, and in their literature, we see them they accept a heavy snow blower because this heavy snow do match and agree and support their subjective viewpoint. The second one I'm sure exists like many as a motorcity and then Hanafi school and Hanafi school, especially by the disciples of Obi hanifa. And then the disciples of the disciples of Amir hanifa. And specifically, he said in advance works that came to us through just sauce in his book and facade with a sword and

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then also a certain event through his narrating the book of Alicia,

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Medina, Lima Mohammed bin Hassan Shivani. So, so we have a very sophisticated and complicated method produced by hanafy. I can talk later. And

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so and then the last one is a chef, a school and humbled school based on the idea of Adana, the idea of italic or Ravi. So we have four schools Hammel, and then the subjective,

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universal

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theological

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foundations or principles and Hanafi school based on a complicated methodology, and then Shafi, all of these

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shapes for us the picture in the first three centuries after that, so we can see one camp of these camps, just like one and then becoming the mainstream of elemental Hades. So then, when we go to that period, we need to be aware of all of these discussions, and then and we cannot read anything in Shafi and Buhari and all this without bringing to our mind all of these discussions and then but like after the first century, we can see a mainstream that we read and how people about that is worse and then

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Masada, the Hanafi abroad and the book. So he

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Akram,

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maybe, I don't know, I don't have a clear picture about the Hanafi abroad. So sometimes victo Ekrem criticized hanafy abroad as a he said, This abroad is not convincing and there are abroad them in this abroad and talking as Rayleigh as a Mufti or fapy and criticize late Hanafi scholars and maybe early Hanafi scholars regarding the greater rank in admin hobbies, but how However, victo Ekrem also confirms in different places in the book on many things related to the vision of hanafy. So we can see two visions on Hanafi school in the book. So sometimes we see hanafy abroad criticize and sometimes we seize epistemological of Hanafi school in the book. So one of these epistemology can

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bind that mentioned the book when a doctor

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Crump confirms the idea of the ranking of generators he said like they are some narrators

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take or maybe they are take more like high level

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above others and speaking here about Sahaba like speaking about vocal health, however and then this above, above, and then his opinion on

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giving

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or giving priority to football,

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above caddies, especially in football based on canonical can only tell. Absolutely based on universal canons or Canaan's COVID for Korea or Japan or sooner. And also, he

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mentioned that a sooner

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also

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should be more heavy Hades, because she is a pseudonym. It's

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ongoing and inherited practice by Muslims. So it seems like we have some episodes you can point in the book related to Hanafi school, but in the same time hanafy abroad not convincing. And here I think we need to have a systematic

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systematic vision towards Hanafi. School. Maybe we can talk about this later. Since his question, question. The list of questions. I received some questions related to hanafy. School. So

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okay, I have maybe two minutes or I don't know three minutes, just I critical. Two minutes. Okay. So some observations on the on the book. So the first one Dr. Akram mentions that matassini way or matese abroad on holidays, they taking or relying on sooner Matura and rejecting soon Emirate Matura so for them, it's not about cement misura or a mushroom is we can see this like that is similar to Patty's al

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re recreated or reformed in our modern time. And especially as a modernist and some contemporary scholars, they follow the footsteps of Mata Zilla, but this we call like a new new artist, but like a design God, but however it is and it's not just like

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focusing on plan and tomato and Suman mushroom is focusing on their subjective viewpoint on Kalam. So anything

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matching these

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foundations and principles accepted and anything not agreeing with these concepts should be reinterpreted or rejected. So this a very subjective viewpoint towards it is not based on the epistemological ranking of a bar. Yes, they produce all of these like literature and keytab topolino Baba magnifica region, it is an incredible makalah belfie all of these ranking, we can see like the birth to watoto and Mooji, baton icon and Sunil Matura. Pamela Southern Oh, and as soon as tomorrow for all of these week, we can witness but in the end, what's happening in the practical level, so the practical level telling us

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matassini just try focusing on there. Or maybe

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the boy that they are going from is their subjective viewpoint. And the second one, so the second issue confusing epistemology. So in the book, we don't know like sometimes mutawatir there is no fair either there is no

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any

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benefit from what awatea and then some,

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also the the rejection of the ideas, taxonomy or the classification of lm into the UI and into novelty and then Victor Akram produced a different classification for three and QSB.

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And then, all of these like,

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I understand here, it seems like Dr. Akram perfuse, the epistemological ranking all of these but in the same time, we can see, Dr. Akram admits his logical ranking for some studies, and then football and hobbies and then the ranking of innovators. And I think when we talk about him in hobbies, mostly we talk about epistemology. We talk about the smoker ranking we talk we talked about Jihad and how we can give priority of some evidence about other

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evidences, how we study I think we can talk about this

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Nature since Victor Akram

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conclude his book how we study human bodies and also in the list of questions, we received some questions related to this question

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this what I have and really benefit from this book many things in this book as I mentioned in my for word

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can like use for beginners and for advanced advanced level and we can do this like the diet in which the head when he had a look of it. So in this book, like some beginners maybe they have very important points they can rely on as they move from these points towards studying careers or even hobbies. And also for advanced students, they there are some boys can reshape their understanding of hobbies and maybe or create a different discussion different

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ways of thinking in this Adam

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welcomed me and thank you again for

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inviting me.

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Potato though, for that

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presentation full of fascinating insights and I think some very important points that will no doubt pick up on in the question answer session as well.

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So We'll now move to our final presentation from chef Akram.

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Chef doesn't need too much introduction but as a formality. For those of you that don't know Shah Crum, he's received his in depth traditionalist Arabic training from Naruto or lemma, and also received a PhD in Arabic literature from Lucknow University. He spent time as a research fellow at the Oxford Centre for Islamic studies for a number of years, and he's published widely in Urdu, Persian, Arabic and English. He is the co founder and principal of a Salaam Institute and continues to teach short courses and advanced level modules on our Islamic scholarship program. And also notably the author of

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the English translation of the book mentioned earlier by Dr. Abizaid English introduction, which is available widely.

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Sure, after you

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Allah hamdulillah Hello, Bill oil immune was slid out was Salam ala rasulillah Muhammad Ali, he was Herbie McLean, a mobile

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hamdulillah. I'm very grateful to Lhasa hota Allah for, you know, completing this book, and then it being translated to English. And now we are here

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to discuss the contents of the book, and how the students can benefit from it. And before I

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give my talk, I would like to thank chef Hi, Sam, in Fira, he's writing the foreword for the book and also for his present presentation now. Sure, I saw Mashallah, I have not you know, he's the greatest scholar from Syria. And me and Chef Osama she has some teachers especially study the chef northern altar. He was one of the most important expert of the Hadith in his time. You know, I always have been sent to the people that are to in our time there have been two people or two great scholar from hollub they really dominated the the scholarship, why they were share what are warmer, May Allah give you long life. And the second one chef, Nora natera from Allah tala. So uranga Shaka

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sama study with him and now he's

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busy in teaching and

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instructing the students in the field of Islamic sciences. So I'm really grateful for him for giving the time reading the book, and also talking about about about the book. Similarly, I'm grateful to Dr. boosah, who I have known for a long time and I'm really impressed by him. He and his wife both of them have been studying Islam and Hadees and also actually Quran and the memorize the Quran in this age with them, but we will want to say Nomura without Abu Zeid and his family, and that same day, both of them finished we have a celebration in I think Macau arena, about finishing the Quran. So you really amazing and both of them graduate from a Salaam Institute. And I really I you know,

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there are some students are impressed by them in their devotion to the knowledge one of them, Dr. Wu said, or 100 I guess tarsal of many, many others.

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My articles into English language and some of them have been published published in the form of the books especially one of my books about my teachers Mana allamani Dr. boozer translated to English and now this one the second one there are many many articles on his go to translate he's translated the book mozzarella Hill Buhari

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and while reading the Arabic text, you know, sometimes he points to some mistakes because in writing sometimes there are mistakes and typing sometimes you know, in the referencing and descended to Al Hamdulillah in his translation is very helpful for me also to improve the book. So, I'm very grateful for him I inshallah hoping that because of his effort, you know, my work in in Arabic in

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Mathura, zaharia Timothy in will become inshallah for a wider audience in English language as

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sumela helped him And may Allah reward him for all his effort.

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I just like to say you know something about the book on also how people can study the science in the West.

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So, as I mentioned, I have written a few things under Hadith one of them is my my body, my body actually was just introduction to the Mr. Hart, the terms of use in the PbO Can people to come familiar when these words are used, what they mean, what the meaning of the mutton, Sufi Adel Eve, in all these terms that people use what they mean. So, nearly all the terms in Athens to the heart had been introduced there with some examples to that is the first book, The second book that we are not now talking, it is a collection of many articles that I wrote, wrote to spare certain points in the body and the future very well in this book. And mainly like, you know, the relation between the

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Quran and the Sunnah, and the Sunnah, and the Hadith, how the student learn how they differ from each other, that he needs to know because the some type of confused that you know, are the same or different. Similarly, relation between Hadith and and in what Hadith actually is really the Hadees is the philosophy, you know, or do something else. So I made it very clear the Hadith is clear, Hades, Atari hoonah, Hades history, and you know, the book, I discuss that in detail, and also that works out the Hadith.

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And many of those points, I believe that, you know, when you read the book, a rock is very, very helpful for the people no doubt, really, to understand the science of the data, and how we look at them. Some of those points I'm going to explain to you in little detail in Sharla here, and then you can ask question, one important thing, actually, I realized that when people study the hardest times, actually any science journal, but uh huh, this is, we're talking here in the madrasa in India and Pakistan about this option in other countries, when people who study Hadith

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they are not very often they don't take the right approach. Many people treat Hadith as a sacred knowledge. So to demonstrate how this Allah kind of prophecy Lhasa word a sacred, so you know, the this the sacredness is there. So they don't want to make effort to understand really what is the human effort inside the hurry. So it's easy for many, particularly for the Hadith, even if it's a weak Hadith. So the thicker it is, second thing we do which we can so of soundness, maybe it is a classic classification by doesn't really matter too much because they notice SEC is still from the professor lawless Allah. So that how people look at how they make it more sacred. They don't make

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effort to understand really the Hadith is two Part one is authentication there to the human, that is not sacred, that is done by the people, once it authenticated. And it is really proven that more likely it is the word of actual practice that powers a lot less than the sacred pneus comes you know not before that. So these are things that people need to understand properly.

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So I realized really that the way people who study the holy science these days, it is just like it's something sacred in for any brighter the knowledge, we need two things, that what helps us to learn. One is a curiosity and second of an inquiry. What curiosity means that whenever you learn something, read something, be curious, think read white white like that. What does it mean? why somebody has said something like that? Why the automa have to do classify Hades into Sahih Hassan the leaf then shall

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The moon car model you know what some people have walked out and all those why they have to specify like that do when they do when they use the words hi do the museum thing or they have different understanding of the word Sufi.

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You know when in a people like early generation This is what do they mean when Bihari a Muslim day University what they mean when the people later on the mix hadisha what do they mean? How is it possible there how this is classified as weak by many people under suddenly because Hassan and equity are some people make it Asahi, what is happening there? Why they have got the Synod in the beginning? What do they mean, when the people know that like her this Buhari, you know behind the first lady from a former lady from Sofia, and for me I'm sorry, I'm sorry from all the money but I was playing Alabama and what are the proselytism all these names? Why there are names in the

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beginning you know what, why they are there what important they have indistinct this curiosity we don't have to when we don't have curiosity, we don't really know anything to the first important thing to be curious to think really what is happening, why they're doing something something like that, for every single thing should be the question got a human knowledge as to why they have done what the wisdom behind that

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how the authenticator had this you know, how it is possible that Hadith was not known to the big people on one little weak people.

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You know, because the people are more concerned for a Hadith, they should know it. How is it possible that Hadith is in the time Imam Malik, my mum mother does not know

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or maybe he knows he never nurse House of your authority cannot know how, you know Ariana cannot know dg speak they were the teachers. So, how is possible only her This is not to the weak people is any problem, you know, to call misunderstanding or something like that, we need to be curious about this motor. And when you have curiosity, then you do inquiry, then you find out ask question, do research. To know these two things are basic for any knowledge? If people are not curious, they never never can learn nothing, they just repeat really, they follow blindly. And if people are curious, but they don't make effort to do inquiries, you know, this curiosity does not help them to

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people should have curiosity and they should make effort, you know, to understand the questions and answers to properly I will give a few examples which will help you to understand really, that how we need this curiosity or inquiry in the field of the Hadith.

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One example I give you once, you know when I started writing my commentary or Sahih Muslim, which our shareholder dimension

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so one of the famous teacher of Indian subcontinent of Hadith, he came to Oxford, to see me to see really how I'm ruling this country. I explained to him the one other thing I explained to him in that what I'm doing in this book is that any Hadith in Sahih Muslim, which is not reported or recorded by Buhari in history, I explained it to why the Sahih Muslim but not as the Hebrew party. Similarly, if there are similar Hadith in Bukhari, but Muslim does not include in his book two I make explanation, why Buhari recluse and why Muslim did not include the Hadees in his psyche. So medically or, and then I gave example, a few examples. One example I give to discover was

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that the first hadith of Sahih Muslim use hadith of Djibouti Ali Salaam when gvl Islam came to the Prophet sallallahu sallam, you know, he's giving human affordable to people who could not recognize him. And he asked question about Eman Islam FSR he asked about our about the Day of Judgment a few questions everybody know the Hadees

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these are these integrated in the sound had this by two companies. There are other companies that will but there's no sound. The sound narration are only from two companies. One is Walmart.

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And the second one is Abu huraira. Ha These are for America with the most famous one in the Hadi circle and they think it is under reliance in this chapter. And had this average also authentic but there's not wonder but remember hierarchy loudhailer only includes in his Sahih Hadith Abu huraira.

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He did not include a hadith of Omar.

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Imam Muslim included both of them are these are former and Haditha who are both and when he started the chapter he started the chapter with the hadith of oma then followed by Hadith Abu huraira. So that it's clear that he was Muslim was to make

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that the most important or this in this chapter most authentic Manu Hadees are former then Addis Ababa Herrera. So the Hadees which is most important this chapter, and actually maybe most sound to Muslim that Hadith it does not

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existence a Buhari

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so you know we should be curious that her this alma mater, which is the first Hadith Sahih Muslim, and that always have been in a place by Mahabharata and they used to advise people to memorize it is such an important Hadith, but that Hadith even does not exist inside Buhari does not have placed to I gave example of this to this Indian scholar. He said to me, that I have been teaching Sahih Muslim for 40 years. Even this question did not come to my mind, it didn't arise to my mind. Why is it like that? The question did not come down certainly asked me to answer I could explain to him the ciliary there's somebody teaching same Muslim for 40 years. Even this question that this had this which is

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the first or this or a Muslim and maybe most important to Imam Muslim, there is a hadith that does not exist in Sahih Bukhari

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the second Hadees that Muslim has got that what is this? Is it boring but not the first one? This question doesn't come to many people's mind. If you want to study these are the things you should start you know, think really that then after that you make inquiry then the doors of the knowledge will be open to you.

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And the muhaddith in early mohabbatein they used to think like that. You know they would question that is this is where it came for come from? Like for I am even multicraft mala hota Allah in Medina

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is good afternoon for the very beginning studied with the all the main teachers of Medina he did not travel anywhere. His teachers are people of Medina that were the knowledge about their to his studies with dementia how zoetry nafi abou Xena, Mohamed el mercado arrabbiata right. Yeah, I'm sorry I'm sorry, this has taught teachers a Medina history within and then I read from the greater value you know, some of the narrative from Sahaba. So his teachers are well known people who shall nor wives who were the very important people are Maliki used to study with them, a lot of them copy their books, you know, on some time either accompanied in the learning by evening, by life in the

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side, he knows the destiny with most of the same teachers.

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So in my Muslim Muslim had, Mr. Mallika discusses some of the Hadith of the people of Medina and others who now read from the same Shepard Malik, but Mark does not have the same notion to hear click Commit and very good comments, that that actually helps us to understand how clever he has been. People may ask him Malik that that I was an audio teacher, his son in Ibiza nod he narrates in many Hadith from Godfather, which you don't have.

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He did not with you. And it's true really, if you look in the sunon without him with the NSA in Madhya, you can find that a hadith of even a busy night from his father, daughter had this had been not narrated by malloc or by the important is to himself obviously not to get a Moloch will ask you know that he is an alpha was an ordinary has heard this from his father because you don't have

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to Malik said very important in Sunday's I in akuna Nana Minho. Where have you been? If I was an odd had always had these we must have learned.

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So he's reading that you know that this is not authentic?

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Our teacher? How could he hide if he had always had this? We certainly would have known.

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So this question should come to your mind really that if you see a hadith in Bukhari Hadith, and where they're from a boozer not an Omar, he did not narrate and uh when people well known people, the famous people started don't narrate then doubt should come that you know, How's it possible there's some weak personalities, but now the strong people

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Zarina Medina is a well known you know, top people already from zuri are people like ma Malik, then after my Malik Sofia Marina then after that we'll pay it and use the you know, for top people then after that we have shy maybe Hamza in Syria and Mama, the six people top people narrating the hadith of zuri and there are few others narrating

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and these people spend so much time many many months every

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now suddenly you find a hadith from zuri by a weak person who is not very well known in this circle he's not expert of the least. And that had this does not exist with the magic even though I know does not know it. In a mama does not know it none of them have narrated to you should be curious, you should think really what happened to these people? How they have missed the Hades, is there any misunderstanding any problem happened? What What went wrong? So if you are theory students are many many, but the well known people are like working Jura

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in your homes

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Yeah,

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I dropped mine on Monday. I will no I am a father and you can do for people talk people in narrating hadith of Sufi authority. Then after there come people like Muhammad Yusuf alafair yarby and then Elisa, these are younger people then or it is the other people who are these are inside Buhari, and also in Sahih Muslim.

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Now you find her these as of Jan 30, by someone who's not so well known to question accom should come to your mind why people like of Aki did not narrate it. Why people like absorbine Mati did not narrate it, where they have been, why them is there, the main teachers that teach everything, this discussion should come, you know, the decision, that of our curiosities, that there are things that should when you study, your mind should keep working off our sample, you read a Hadith, in some of the books at the sunon that are more than Java, the lot on the rails

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that I went to see he went to Syria, and he, when he came back from Syria, he did say that to the parser.

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So the parser some, you know, said to him, if I had to come on anybody to say that to me, I would have wanted the women to say that to their husbands, this or this very often people narrate, and they give the important that you know, how much your women should obey their husbands. Because even the prophets, if I had to allow anybody to do side, I would have commanded the women to do so either to their husbands. Now look in the Hadoop ecosystem, where more than Java came from Syria, he did say the

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first thing more than ever went to Syria in the time of the Prophet lorrison. In his life, he went later on, but not when the Prophet is I like to this question should come to your mind that you know, these are these basic information not right? More where he went, he went to Yemen.

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Okay, two people can Okay, show me the mistake. It was Yemen, he went to Yemen and came back. But when the more they came back from Yemen, the professor laughs already had died. The wind was came back he never met the Prophet sallallahu sallam, to this question of do say that to the Prophet does not arise. And the third thing is why the job is not an orderly companion. Then one of the tougher among Sahaba is a like, you know, worker, syndicate or model of a man Our plan was sold in the fic it's very tough person, a man like that. How can he did not know Really? That in Islam, you are not allowed to decide did he read the Quran? Were chronically mixed hustling the law, yes, Judo will

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lead to a lot of things to say. And he never has seen and it's such that he saw some Christian doing Seder to their priest, he will do the professor he was asking he can just cannot implement it impossible to do something like that. And also how can the professor if I had to command any way to set aside the out command the women to do set their husbands actually if you look in the Quran, the rights are the parents are more than individuals

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the Prophet never commanded the sons children to do so that to the and also the price or the profits or more nobody can deny that the how much drives up the profits. So you know, you should be curious, you start thinking really, that you know, how these things are they're narrated. So in that what my book really doing with this book, it a curious curiosity it is start your mind people read no motherfucker.

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And they'll memorize it. But they never raise question about information and can't mention their or their thinking to all actually are authentic you are you know have same level. So, you know, this is very, very important that when you study not only Hadith is even the Quran, very straight up Quran and the fifth, your mind should be curious, you know, for everything you learn, ask question, you know, think about that, that why is it dimensioned like that, you know, and then after that, make inquiry, you know, you know go to the people go to the works in find out you know, it is very often you find really Hadith, which is mistake said mistake by early people certainly because Swahili

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right he has Sunday ready and people said because it has come from so many narrators. So now put together it becomes it can be elevated. But sometimes particularly it really so many narrators are calling only one narrator and other people found out and then they start narrating there is something called the Hades. Sorry, Arturo hardy is stealing the Hadees you know, I narrate a Hadith, you don't have this, then you start dropping my name. And I mentioned my my chef, it also had that you will see on so people not in that lie, but he becomes your ad. I will give an example then I think in our time is coming here for the question.

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And there's a famous Hadith, you know in, in the books of the filmmaker that narrated by a Buddha Alia Aria he the toggle either not as a hobby. He noted that in the time of the professor lawless alum, a blind man came to the mosque.

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And they were well in the most he slipped and fell. And then the some people among the preferred little player, some people are laughing. So the prophets have said after the Salaam that those who laughter they should repeat their ODU and the prayer both in ohana Thema. Is somebody laughs out loud in the prayer then the ODU under prayer both becomes void when valid, he had to do over again and the prayer and the reason it is Hades these are these actually problem is that abroad and that is a hobby to do this morsel a second problem to leave the you know in the time of the person they were no well in the most of the parcels. Anyway, there are a few question like that hanafy people

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say no, it is not. It is more sudden by accident or by so many people. I would argue that we are in a race inarguable Arthur imamo hanifa has got this idea from someone from hustler bursary, Hassan Pacino, the same hotties in a cylinder the same Hadith, and zolina. The same hobbies to so many people not read it not our audio only and have sub interseeded shinners

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Adorama and Madeira homology research and he

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used to come to the house of sub interceding. He mentioned the Heidi's dear to her son and her sister narrating an in house of hafsa Hassan Hassan, he used to come to in the serien and also Hassan bursary. He mentioned the has this to them, they start narrating and somebody else was there he went to Medina he mentioned that these two sorry, all these to narrow the Hadees but they don't mention the name of a rally they mentioned for under Professor lellis alum, they dropped the link it will all become more said the Naga thing there are so many more salata to they support each other, though the truth related to only one person narration, I would argue every buddy has got through

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someone from Alaia that not so many people in the Hadith very often when you find so many scenarios, not necessarily there are many many took many is not it could be only one person and other people dropped his name and make her this directly to make people do distinct so if there's a harder tonight to lie the DOD harder, but they will use the word under the lease, you know, because at least this so that they are so simple material easy you know in this small talk, I cannot explain to you all the complete you know, complications of the Hadith narration report is a very deep science in people really need to study and I think this book my time here, today now translated in English,

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it will be a helpful thing to you to understand, you know, or get an idea of the science it is not as simple as people think. And then inshallah later on when the books off, you know, I my introduction to Sahiba Horace techniques and then coming to Muslim cause, you know, they will give you a better idea, but basic thing either when you study something, be curious curiosity and secondary inquiry, then do inquiry. So I start with here and if you have any question, please ask.

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Thank you, Zack l'affaire to come into all of our speakers. very insightful series of presentations.

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We now have some time for questions. And I'll start with questions which have come in? Oh, you say, you know, your voice is not very clear. Can you speak louder?

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Is it better? Yeah, no. Okay.

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Sorry about that. Yeah, so I was just saying that we will start with the questions now. I'll start with some questions that were sent in in advance. And I'll, I'll, unless I specify a specific person, I think I'll leave them open for all of you to answer. So this first question is about

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the there's a difference between the concept of Suna in the ancient schools of law and post Imam Shafi. So I think he's referring to the the sort of shaft idea of the traditional living schools of law.

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Each early son now was considered the practice of the community supported by Weldon Hadeeth modernists seek to dial back the footprint of the center to mutawatir practices, not too much awatere Hadith that has become a very attractive and popular concept in recent times, how would you respond? How would we respond to that? Is it something that we can we can consider?

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What do you think?

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What you are?

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I believe that these students asking they they want to benefit from you.

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So unless they specify maybe I would die if but let us benefit from you.

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I don't

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think we really say the word soon. No, no doubt is an Arabic word.

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I have read only all this stuff when people want to kind of feel the people you know so nine Arabic language means a path which has been walked by the people that not only once you know somebody walked in somebody else until you become very clear path to everybody no this is the potty potty walk that when people continuously keep walking on a path it will come soon too soon either dealing with notice nothing to do with the professor listen I'm so nice any sooner any part any any way of you know where people keep walking again again when Islam came you know it the professor lawless alum basically starts a new

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era you know in for Arabs and Muslims and that is a very important to understand that how the professor loves them, you know, the Koran how put in the mind. The Quran describes the period before Revelation the Quran and the jacket a year

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on when the profits of compared to the new era. So Arabs understood this thing very clearly today basically anything that he used to do in the past and the question is, how the professors are now what he does he want to continue that or he wants to he has gene modified that old practice to life prophets, Allah Allah Allah wants to used, you know, an Arabic Arabic phrase that RFC used to use in Jia helliya on surah haka has largely been almost a lumen to our people, you basically tribal people. So a my tribe, you know, I've supported whether they're right or wrong, it doesn't matter, but they know how to support my tribe. We don't question whether they're right or wrong in my tribe

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I will support against the enemy.

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I'd like one other person and I love univerzita Tina Robert, away to winter should have a Zia to actually so my I support my tribe. So the profit loss alum getting our systems like that also has a lot of animals Roman. So, what the professor told the people on surah haka is largely man almost Roman. So, the companies did their question because they know really they have disconnected themselves from the past. Now, new era in this new era, this should not cannot continue so the question so then the price a lot so let me explain to them that He has given new meaning to that new meaning that if your brother is Muslim support him and if Islam is started from this so this was the

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new meaning he gave to the old centers so the prophets are very successful really to disconnect disconnected people from the very very carefully and sooner now is water in this new religion sooner is something into accepted worked upon by the professor he did his practice hated it couldn't be some of them are from the past but past one lead because now sooner is the profit accepted. So we don't say that all the sooner that the professor listed them they are new no some of them are from past and actually all the profits and company profits used to have the same Sooners but the people corrected them if the preferable masala lism accepts up sooner that sooner is messy authentic to us

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really when we need Salaam the companion there you The sooner the immune sooner to lobbyists or the law to sell them. Somebody asked a silent you've now delivered Omar the son of a robot a very early that once he mentioned su asuna to the fee somebody asked

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they said do they mean by sooner any sooner? That's another process isn't that what the meaning. So, now the price a lot less they made worse una means a practice well known, you know, acted upon by the press a lot less alum and continued to the third generation medsafe Malik Setsuna it means it is a practice of the prophets Allah Allah Salaam continues to Malik's time in not just a report single report if practice he can see the society in a similarly if the faster the sooner he means a practice continued from the profit up to his time letter or the sooner become Hadees the recorder but to their time not necessarily a very soon never heard this they used to look really that how the

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community has received how to this Tinder So, neither one Lee when it is a motivator? This is a big misunderstanding of all those things the word motivated I actually have been introduced by the people column because the reason is because they want to you know go on the secretarial line to declare who is carfit who is a facet if withdraws from them automatically become this and that all those things and what what is it and then you do something with the water but the water to them is in tashera it is well known to so now what is mizuna will not be secret. So now I love the report of a single person. So now will be a practicing well known to the orlimar to the scholars to like for

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example.

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Like you know when Malika was asked about the Hadees or what you want to say or the last line that the professor has

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A Muslim or a Madonna, that those who first Ramadan was well I will sit them in Sherwood, and then they follow it by six days of show Well, they have fasted the whole day.

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So it is a single report of a human side of the latter on who it was raised to know Malik Malik said but I'd never have seen him on my in my teeth and anybody who has been fasting we never knew that this practice was not in Medina, Seidman a year when people like that that none of them have done zaharie multis and none of my teachers ever had the distinct to see streams hunedoara spurting if this faster was so important, then actually these people are the best people to follow the sooner Why didn't do this. To this he did that why he's to say that an elephant an elephant hierro minervois Anwar practice which is well known the society is better than in one report of a single

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person. Similarly malvani Farah from Allah tala, when they use the word sooner, they mean really, as practiced, accepted by our grandma's food, while Obama us what he would have naturally these people Oh Malhotra in a well known before her, they accepted practice. And they continued that to them, because they like sooner. And later on, you know, some time couldn't be so 9000 Hadith. But if you just practice that gives you more authenticity, to like in all the sooner prayers like for Raka before Lord and this and that continue continued for the sooner continuity issue could be could be reported. Well, it could be this as well, but continue to later on. We don't look at the continuity

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reporting about soon, because so many Buddhists given Islamic tsunami can be done with the consumer to when we look sooner, we may really practice continued until the early generation of Sahaba value as well. Could it be up to Mr. shafia humble up to that generation later on because of rulers and this invention, an idea then the schools and descend very quickly they have so bizarre So, it is so not are not there to anybody who is the word matamata for that, they are not rightly you know sometime could be sooner, you don't have to report

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the cops really, really to prove the water unit report since simple matter. If somebody said the water is a practice, it will wear it nearly impossible to prove the water of the practice in by yourself How do you know what what one time have a W one report that no other way you can actually prove and report sometimes when liquidity this it will not practice the person who said will not practice the one person it's just his saying how can you prove something with a water if you are not in that time. So, this you know we have to understand properly if put make the VA to the condition for the sooner then basically very few holidays very first one will be there most of the kind of

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some people really thought would not exist or may very very few thought nothing was there and did what do we need to do something authentic in report what authentic means we knew in the sooner what authentic means, practice continued by the well known people or teachers, the reformers, the practice done by our Casa de Kumara Farrukh more than Jebel Ayesha people like that, well known not very common people, then it will be a proper sooner that we understand that people you know, the one interest to have made the idea So, nice is our culture. This is the mistake, the basically just want to say that all is not all we have been just in introduced on 4g, it is just our culture, for which

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a lot of people have provided this a new generation descended on a motorcycle, you know, could be some of them our culture, but we don't accept our culture we only accept if it is done by the professor Dallas alum to we never claim that every student has a new, but what we cannot really nothing is sooner, unless it is done by the professor lolis alum foodbuy him and then followed by the companions and literature, because the Prophet did not because others have been doing this to

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check out some if you have any comment. further, further, further makura lay by themselves in our five technical terms used in the literature, in the early literature by different scholars, so we can trace soon as avatars and the Matura. Some might call a pseudonym arafa and sooner Katya. So this like five technical terms I found in the early works of skulls, and all of these, it seems for me coming from like not from nowhere, like coming from the practices of Prophet alayhi salatu was Salam so I can confirm what you said. Dr. Akram, so it seems based on the past, the way the tradition of Ramadan is salat wa salam and then followed by his Sahaba

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And then by his study, if I understand the question, clearly, it seems like there are two concepts like practices derived from hobbies or just like practices mutawatir like community practices without supporting, supporting from Hades. So all these technical terms used

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I mostly I witness this term used by

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a band and Mohammed Hassan Shivani, and then LLC and then I'll call the Abdul Jabbar all these term used by some scholars not following the normative viewpoint, as a chef a mentioned in his book,

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reseller and Gmail. And all of these terms generated just like to say, Okay, we have another wild, to build physical or to build built qalam, outside of Hades, outside of the authority of Hades. So but how about all of these technical terms all of these sooner based on coming from

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tradition of profit, not

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this connected or, like, disconnected from the prophetic tradition?

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So there's a question that's come in, in the comments, which is

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from Muhammad Osama, which is what's what's the main difference in

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Hanafi nomenclature to mainstream nomenclature? And I think this links in Well, with some questions, which were asked the advance, which were in general about the Hadeeth, science of the Hanafi is and how, you know, why they didn't kind of get integrated with the sizes of the other mother here, you know, what are the differences between the between the higher fees and the other Medina when it comes to

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Hadith? So this is something which is seems to be

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a pressing question.

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I don't think that this matter, you know, order will have been raised by many 100 followers, or many, many mothers, when they say even Hanafi people say that, you know, Sha that was easily not mistaken, shoddy they've like we can say there are two types of this, you know, Sally shadow Sally, and we have to prefer one over the other for other arguments, sometimes shadow immaculately better than the mahfouda this. So people, you know, want to bring the mother of any school into the science of Hadith and give the impression that there could be a sort of Hades on a call to Hanafi madhhab or maleki Madhava Shafi muda, muda muda that I certainly I don't agree and I some other discussions

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happening in the book are very clearly I mentioned and what I want to make clear that film is no doubt in focus domain there discuss that Hadeeth is a history and it should be discussed and studied properly on the basis of you know, how history historical griffie that how we study the history, you know, how authentic or something nothing to do the motherboard is cool, you know, it this is a report to how you determine this report is sound or not sound, it should be dausa in a press bus, which really help you to understand history, to to bring a mother that I that why I wrote an article that you know, Hadeeth either history, not a philosophy might have been a school or like a

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philosophy, where you can prefer something with so many arguments. History is completely different matter. You have to look at the reporters that who are authentic. So the best thing for us or whether it should be really that a folk aha when they want to understand the Hadees referred to the defeat, that to know what is lacking on Shafi said 200 hombre Allah tala that this is your field, if you find out how this Attila did, let me know Mr. Shafi rotten sulfur, he did a mistake a look in Makkah he narrated by some of the weak people. He did not know them later on. Actually he found out that they are weakened narrators because this was not his field. And people have been alerting him.

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So hard. This should be taken found expert the Hadith imovel hanifa. Allah tala will respect him. We love him. He's so pious, amazing person, and Mr. Shafi right when he said a NASA fully filled out the yard and all of your hanifa we don't doubt I know and also we know really the fake news Hades, too, we don't doubt the knowledge of Him. Oh honey, fatherhood is nothing but he is not meaning he did not historian. It is not his job to classify the Hadees and to look really that how have you become authentic or something like that? This never has been his field that he needed when he narrated the Hadith, in his in his class, sometimes many times where he didn't

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not follow the we have seen that disconnect shun and sometimes their confusion sometimes that mistakes of the of the narrator's because you know, he's not preparing like more like his his his concern is more the content because of the fuckery while the reporter like Sean Foley, he will focus on the report Hadees and this under Lega Malik, you will mark that both dr Malik was to present the Hadees like him had the property like Buhari does. So, we have to understand that not necessarily every fact either, either not necessarily every mod is a free sample to be both of them. So, you know, we should take her this lambda historians random historian doesn't mean we should take from

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them, we should not divide the Hadith on the line of the mother who died, what makes her data philosophy, not history, and that is done just because once it does become, then the reason to prefer her disorder will not be you know, the is another generation, it will be something else, you so the meanings, correct, and this means that we're by Oran and by symmetric, this argument is philosophy in the report, whether the Prophet said something or not, that is different approach, you have to look at a scenario generation report in how how great these people are. So, he had this he will have his own criteria, but fuck his preference of is something we were different good with

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something another argument mikaze than this and that was interesting, he could bring alakay prefer open OData somebody who prefer to listen to do not have this already. And they have done something recently as is better than the hoverwatch. So my understanding this material that had this is nothing to do with the Hanafi madhhab Maliki model Shafi model, and that was very, very important in the early Islam, when people who, who taught Hades they were not forever suffering mother someday could be a single her this part of it supports hanafy mother and part of the Hadith and our support hanafy mother, Hydra reporter in holifield molecule Shafi the case would have been very different to

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her, this would have been more in that light, but no Hardison not like that. So her This is the independent discipline. And people are the mother who should pay for an expert or listen to them, you know, if you have any good argument, bring it, you know, but that argument should be same if accepted in that discipline, not something invented by you. So, you know, in history, there should be historical no argument, not an argument brought from somewhere else, you know, like, you know, you don't make the argument of any discipline to other discipline. So people should respect her this the problem happened really, because the school because so powerful, and these schools are the one

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who is buhari a Muslim. So they basically bring their idea they scoop into the books of the Hadith, because so much mixer confusing. We need to make Hadith independent and separate from the undisclosed of the

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Shia got some if you have anything, any comment,

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or share, read, you know, if you have anything, any comment, I would love to hear chef as someone who is a chef or some actually published on on this topic like he has into volume. I look forward to reading early Hadith scholars in the criteria Hadeeth criticism and I believe he's specifically published articles on hanafy, school holidays and things like that. So we'd love to hear from him. Learn from him.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, that's really a pressing question. And we cannot

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deny the importance and the significance of this question. And specifically right now, there is an emergent field and big interest in hanafy School in terms of Heidi's criticism. So, I completely agree with Victor Ekrem chance of differentiating between hobbies and philosophy or leaf and philosophy. And maybe I can bring terms that use by the earliest colors, especially like you have a body and others. So we call like the RIAA and rewire or maybe let us say right and rewire right and rewire becoming like from Chicago about shared raw and yeah, but different in middle ledger. So how if also we need to be, we need to be careful about these like two different different system towards

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how this criticism, but also we need to be aware about the historical historical viewpoint of the Hadees criticism, as I said in my introduction, so there are two major errors the first one with academia and the second one, really. So in the academy, we can witness there are four schools discussing Heidi's criticism, and then these four main schools becoming just like one school, reflecting his criticism as mainstream and based on Adela base.

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On a snap so how we accept or how we verify how we reject any hobbies just based on the stand and based on our data so our medical to hobbies is not based on the content but based on the narrator's and that's becoming very clear after Shafi and all walks, written on on Shafi and becoming very clear in the majority of books sold football and book also hobbies even though Hanafi scholars who are who wrote on personal hobbies they follow Shafi methodology, so no one followed hanifin Misawa but only Sonia Hanafi Sunni Hanafi yes specifically followed the footsteps of the early resources of Hanafi scholars and we can witness there are maybe two schools in Hanafi school some of them follow

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exactly what the eastern advanced said and others followed I'll come in so, there are two main branches in hanafy School pellicle three and above. And even a bang theory based on the idea of physician not the idea of pharmacist as an homage and all of these stories that are related to ask when other Hanif as a school, Abu hanifa methodology described as the School of physicians and the school of Hades the School of pharmacists, and this very important idea. So, as we would describe right now, in our modern time, with COVID-19 we have different vaccinations, we cannot take any vaccination for granted and then like just like take it to the market and use it and we need to know

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the side effects. So Abu hanifa and his disciples witness there is liquidity and fluidity of hobbies, many hobbies and many innovations that so, then they are focusing how they can build a systematic solid and coherent understanding of all of these hobbies as physician Okay, and take all of these hobbies and then to practice and then make them lived in a society. And then like, they are aware of side effects. And then based on this, they said, okay, we exist, how this can be verified, be activated, and then can be used in the society can be used in the court can be used as a source for rights and duties. But for pharmacists, there's not the way how they will verify this, okay, we

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need to book all of these studies on the shelf. We know maybe there are some side effects and but we know this, all of these verified. And that's that's me. I think when we talk about about Hanafi school, we don't talk about rejecting hobbies, we talk about suspending hobbies, not like rejecting hobbies, okay, so we this hobby is not used in legal system is on the shelf. So that's why we can understand why whoa man like centuries later, okay said no, we can use this for this, this reactivation of Hades and the history of hanafy skull is in the history of Hanafi school. So the idea of reactivation of the Hadees or giving birth certificate to what is happening in the history

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of Hanafi school, but not in the early period. Because the idea of Hanafi school everything about how we can be aware of the side effects of using Hades as a society so far behind the scenes is not an issue because he is not about the usage of the Hadees and not about using it just to verify honey so to say is Sahil or life but I'm an A something like nature. And that's why the to recommend his book said first of all continental Hadees especially if pecan based on a word kulia based on tour and based on all of these evidences. So then football is a holistic approach. But this is just like partial abroad to to the masala and I think this is a very important valid and how we can understand

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Hanafi school. It's very important. And when we talk about Hanafi school, we need to ask this question What's the meaning of Hades in terms of Hanafi school and the first three centuries and what's the meaning of fertile in the first three centuries? So fertile is about systematic, solid and coherent approach toward altex. And Hades is not just about connected Hades or connected this snap is about all narrations with valid reporters and not I was a valid reporters. So that's why I accepted even though Mercer because he is stable and he understand the picture of his stuff.

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You saved we're getting getting late we have to pay our mareeba Yes, yes, I was gonna say I'm so sorry to add this Mashallah Sammy

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Very, very good questions coming in and have been sent in but I think we're going to have to wrap up, maybe we can have another session sometime in the future inshallah with just to go through and discuss these points in more detail because they are very important. So, I think nothing left except for me to thank all of the speakers. Dr. Abizaid that Dr. Hassan, Dr. Akram nadwi, for giving us their time and, you know, for being with us and

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making this such a wonderful discussion, engaging discussion. Thank you to everyone who joined

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We'll have a celebration here. Yes. Independence Day for United States. Fourth of July right Yeah, I think that's that's why Have a great day. Great way to celebrate it with a Hadeeth recital shall Monica Lafayette okay. salaam aleikum wa

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rahmatullah sir. I saw Marcia. Okay, finish. Chef and I'm just I want to say Salaam to chef I Sam and first time I saw him and a chef who said when I come to your place, inshallah, we'll spend some time with Chef Assam inshallah. Allah knows.

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When you come to UK, if you have some time, to inshallah we'll meet here, it will pass by here and Eunice inshallah will meet and spend some time with you and the students can benefit from you directly. inshallah.

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