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Good evening, there's probably no proper way to introduce our guests tonight because you're about to see a familiar face, one that is known to Muslims and non Muslims as well, particularly the Christians. It is our brother Shay deedat. So the AMA deedat has been a moving vehicle all around the world has been debating Christians, particularly Christian and Jew, priests and Jews and Jews as well as he already injected. And we will be discovering Why is he stressing this? And some people do think that he's aggressive in the way he's doing it. But we'll see tonight if that is the case. Welcome, brother and shift the debt to the Saudi television. Thank you very much.
Yes. Maybe we need to have a glimpse of your background. Before we get into the main subject of tonight. Yes, so please, when you see people ask me, How did I come about
to becoming a specialist in the field of comparative religion, because I went out of my way attended the University.
It was by accident, that I have become what I am. But I don't really believe in excellence. To me, these are all the workings of the Almighty, He has chosen for everybody a gold as it says, in the Holy Quran, when he could live which happened who said everyone has a goal, a destination towards which is being driven. First, who hierarchs Allah says, compete with one another in good works in a matakohe.
And Allah will bring you all together with so ever you may be. So it was force of circumstances after leaving school. I was working in a country shop some 25 miles outside the city of Durban and South Africa, South Africa. And across the valley from the shop, there was a university where they were training Christian missionaries. And these missionaries, they came to do the shopping in a shop in which I worked. And when they came, whatever they had learned, they were out to practice. And the first customers, we were the first customers others in that field. So they would pose problems to us. questions to us. This is you know, your Prophet Muhammad had so many wives.
One man, I didn't know anything about that. See, when this is thrown at me, I was about 1617 year old. Yes, I know nothing about that how many wives the Prophet had I have nothing. Then this is your profit, his spirit, his religion at the point of the sword, which is the communist charge against Islam. Islam is spirit with this point of the sword.
And again, it says you know your Prophet, he copied his book, The Quran, from the Jews and the Christians. All these things I knew nothing about the only thing I knew about Islam as well as the other workers. Yes, young men who had just left school cheap labor. The only thing we knew about Islam was that we are Muslims. What made us Muslims, when we read the Kalamata Shahada and if I met you, those days, and if I asked you where you come from, you tell me where you come from. I said, Are you Muslim? You said, Yes, as I did Russia, when Sharon's the bear is alive.
If you can say that, you're a Muslim, you pass. But what that meant, I didn't know. Nobody knew. This was like a magic formula. If you can say it accurate, you're a Muslim. If you can't utter, you're not a Muslim.
So that was the extent of my knowledge. But now these people are posing problems. And I can take it. So I'm thinking of leaving the job and running away. But jobs are very difficult to find those days and fight back. But you can't fight back without knowledge. So I'm in a dilemma. But Allah tala is miscible as he creates opportunities. I had a hunger for reading, and one Sunday and went into my boss's warehouse and rummaging through a pile of old newspapers, looking for something better than a newspaper to read like a magazine. So I take some newspapers, put on one side, find a new magazine, put it on the other side, for later reading, and so on. While I'm going through this process, I come
across a woman book. Full of means you have eaten won't eat
holes inside. The ones I've even tried to see. And when I pick it up, it's full of mildew, so I start to sneeze. But I'm attracted by the title. It read in Latin script is how roadhawk I Zed ha RUL. AK, which men each. Now at that time, I didn't know is how it sounds to me like Muslims.
But is written in western letters. It is not written in Arabic script. So what is this?
I'm repeating though is how what is is at the bottom in smaller types is written in English, the truth revealed. So I said, right, maybe his heart would have means the truth revealed. And I started opening the book and reading this was by a chef Abdullah.
Cindy says he was an Arab gentleman who had written this book in Arabic, which was later translated into English into Gujarati in order to help the people of India to meet the Christian challenge. Because even the British people conquered India, they realize that anytime anybody will give them trouble, it will be the Muslims. So if they can convert these people, and teach them to turn the other cheek, as Jesus Christ, that is He Who strikes you on the right cheek in the other, he said, the problem is solved. You can do India for 1000 years. So they started pouring in the missionaries, like frogs in the rainy season. And this is about the debates that took place between the Christians
and the Muslims. So it made interesting reading. So whatever I read now, I now know those verses. And when these students came along, these theological students this mission that is, you
know, I asked them
on Sunday after church, where do you go, you know, I'm at home, I said, Look, where do you live? So it gives me direction? Was there no streets? in the countryside? Yes. So I saw that I was here at 11am. Sunday. So I go along and have discussions. So this became my hobby, and later on the hobby became my full time choice. That's how I have become what I that's, that's interesting.
Let's get to the point where you started to, I understand that you're almost learning Bible by heart. That's correct. Yes, that's correct. Was this the reason the outcome of that book Have you see in that book, now, the quotations were given? So I went in bought a six Penny, 6 billion, it's a five cents, secondhand New Testament, and whatever I read here, have marked it. That Matthew chapter also contradicts Mark Jefferson Silverstone. So this is a, this contradiction. So So now, these were the things that I read, I memorize them, and I go along and talk about it. So talking, talking, I must talk myself into this position. What has been the outcome of all these discussions and debates
with Christians? What have you learned from this? Is this a way that you can introduce Islam into these people? Are some of them convinced? We have in our small society that we have in South Africa, we have converted more than 7000 people so far, over a long period, but about 7000 people 7000 people have converted from Hinduism from Christianity and an occasional Jew. We have converted them Hindus, Christians and Jews to Islam. But now you see this method. I didn't know that this was a Quranic method, whatever I'm doing is actually Quranic but somehow we Muslims have neglected that field. You see in the Holy Quran, Allah tala tells us makalu and they say, linear agenda. 11 kana.
houden. Allah Sarah, that you Muslims will never never enter agenda. There is no heaven for you. There is no salvation for you unless you become a Jew, or unless you become a Christian.
In response to that, Allah says pilc Imani you This is the wishful thinking when desires hallucination.
Tell them how to
produce your proof in quantum sadiki. If you are speaking the truth, show us your certificate that entitles you to heaven. And this brings us to hell, can we please have a look at your certificate?
Now the Muslim I'm studying them, nobody's asking for a certificate.
This is a natural thing, natural thing to do if you make a claim, and if I have any doubt, I asked you for your proof. Right? But the Muslim is not asking for his proof. So somehow, naturally, because Islam is a natural religion. Naturally, I'm asking for proof. And he produces it in his book, The Bible. So I deal with it. On which when I deal with it, he goes berserk because he's got no way out. For example, for example, you see the Christians say that Jesus is God.
But before that, when I delivered lectures on these topics, I told them, I said, Look, there is not a single verse, anywhere in the Christian Bible, and encyclopedia with Jesus says, I am God or where he says worship nowhere. That's what the Quran tells us. It never claimed divinity. So I put it to them that there's no way and they get puzzled. He says, look, our Bible, I said, What does it say?
There isn't there isn't a
single sentence from the mouth of Jesus saying, and God worship. And yet there are 1000 million people who believe that He is God Almighty in human form, and they all worship Him.
So the nearest they can do is the expression that Jesus said, I and My Father are one thing, we are the same.
So I said, Yes,
I read that. He said, I am my father, meaning God Almighty are one. That means I am also God is God, I am God. So I'm asking the limit men of Christianity, because I discovered that he doesn't. So what is the context? You see, what you quoted is the text. JOHN, there's a Gospel of St. JOHN, Chapter 10, verse 30,
you quoted, I wanted the context, the text that goes with it before or after. And believe me in 40 years, I have not come across a single learned man of Christianity, who knows the context, they only learn the text. And nobody knows the context.
So when you start on that level, then the man asked you, so do you know the context, said, of course, I know the context. So what is the context? So I give it as if you see, we start from verse 23, of john chapter 10. It says, They, and Jesus walked in Solomon's porch, in the temple of Jerusalem, he is alone.
Then came the Jews around about him, meaning they surrounded him,
and said, pointing, brandishing a finger in his face. So how long does that make us to doubt? If that be the case, tell us plainly, meaning they're alleging that he's talking ambiguously. He's not putting forth his claim clear enough. That is the charge. First charge they're living against Jesus is that you're not talking clearly. You're not putting forth your claim? In answer to that Jesus says, I told you is I did, but you believe not. The works that I do in my father's name, they they witness of me, says, My sheep, my followers, hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me, and I given to them eternal life, and we shall never perish. My father, which gave them me is greater
than all, and Newman is able to pluck them out of my father's hand. So these are the present words of the Bible, right? This was 2829. So neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand, was 30 said, I am a father of one in the context, God Almighty was 20. It seems to me that once you accept fate, you remain in faith, as a teacher, as a Master, I also see that you remain in faith, we are both one in this, to see that you remain in faith, not in power, Majesty, glory, knowledge, nothing. But the Jews were looking for trouble. You see, they didn't like his preaching. He condemned them for the ceremonial reason for the hypocrisy. He's going for the letter of the law and forgetting the spirit.
So now they got a chance. He's alone says giving a good bashing, but not put yourself into that mood. You want to create the type of atmosphere. So this started, so Jesus, in answer to that, they pick up in verse 31. He said, and they picked up stones again to stone him,
because they were looking for a fight. So Jesus's many good works, I will show you from my father, for each of those with V stone. So they say, for a good work, we stone the knot, but for blasphemy, because the dubbing a man make us this alpha God.
In answer to that is Jesus came given it and said, Look, if I am God, what else can I say? But no, he says that he reasoned with the Jews? Is it not written in your law? Is it not written in your law? The Hebrew word for law is Torah? Yes. Arabic? Yes. Is it not written in your Torah?
Any quotes, I said, he are gods. he's quoting from the 82nd sound, one of the books of the Bible. I said, Your gods, if he God Almighty called them gods, and to whom the Word of God came, and that scripture cannot be broken, meaning you can contact the CEO of him from the Father sanctified and sent into the world, that the blasphemous because I said, I'm the son of God. Because if I said and God even then is not too bad, because in our language, we talk like that, because in the Bible, in the book of Exodus, God Almighty speaks to us at masala Salaam, and he tells it says, Behold, I have made you a god to Pharaoh, and are in that position with a prophet.
Then, in the book of Psalms, he says, He are gods, all of you are gods, and most of you, and all of you are the children of the Most High. So what happens is now, this type of language is a biblical language. And it doesn't imply that they are gods. Yes, they are godly. So why are defining for me, not on that level? The Christian family is utterly helpless, because in the context is not what he's telling us.
And yet they still be the same. No, no, no, the trouble is with us, we haven't taken the trouble to enlighten them. Allah has given us the knowledge, how to see this book that this Bible is a Jewish book, full of Jewish metaphors and similes, please, the Western world doesn't understand. They are taking things which are metaphorical, literally, that's the problem. But you and I, and the Jew is also responsible. This is not educating the guy that this is my language. And in my language, when I say this literally doesn't mean that.
So we are all at for the jury is at fault. He's getting it in the neck, and we are also at fault, we also get it in the neck. Well, I hope that we are not at fault when we ask for a break here. And for the time since we are limited in our time, we will be coming in the next episode inshallah, and talk particularly about the meaning of father and there have approved for the Christians that Jesus is the son of knowledge really talking about. You have been with the great and famous Dahlia deedat, who has been a Kohler of Islam for more than 40 years now. And he will be with us in the next episode talking about what we just pointed to you. Thank you very much. Thanks
to this episode thing, and we talked earlier about the the Christians Yes, correct. in bringing that to his you know, as a painful for the crystal for that for the Christians. All right. Now, how you come you taking that, although you do not believe I know that from your debates, that the Bible is not the word of God. Yes. And it's been distorted, manipulated, and played with and
you know, it's not it's not the same format that was revealed to Jesus sits cohesively upon. But let's first take the issue of the sonship. Right. When Jesus is saying, and so many verses of the Bible that I and the Father, right are one, right? All right. So the word Father, you see is a very common expression also in the Bible, in the from the lives of Jesus,
in the New Testament, which is, as they call the so called NGO, New Testament, Jesus Christ. If you start with the Gospel of St. Matthew, which is the first gospel, first book of the New Testament, the Gospel of St. Matthews,
he uses the expression, your father, for God, your father, thy father, talking individual, this is the father, your father, speaking to more than one, your father died, Father, your father died Father 13 times before one time he says, My father.
And this is the amazing thing, that the learned men of Christianity, he, he ignores the 13 times there is telling that God is your father, instead of you see this word is the Father in heaven, you know, merciful God, you know, cherishing after his children in that context, saying, your father, the father, 13 times, one time he says, My father, and the crucial hold on to that is it you see, he said, He's my father,
the son of God, is also one of the commonest expressions in the Bible, is a very common expression for one who is a godly person. You start from the book of Genesis, which is the very first book of the Bible. In chapter six, verse three, and quoting, it says, And the sons of God, many, many, in the poor, saw the daughters of men that they say, and they put them to wife all that they chose. In the book of Exodus, God says, according to the Bible, so Israel is my son, jacobellis. Allah is Riley is my son, even my firstborn.
Then in the book of Jeremiah, he says, He friend is my son, even my firstborn.
How can God help to firstborn? But now there are explanation I can explain. Then, in the book of Psalms,
David, the prophet David is made to say,
this is I will declare a decree and to the God is talking to him, I will declare a decree unto thee, that thou art my Son, you without you are my son, this day have I begotten?
Then in the New Testament, we are told, as many as are led by the Spirit of God, are the sons of God, as many anybody, everybody every Tom, Dick, and Harry, according to the Scripture, if you follow the will and plan on God, you are a godly person.
In the language of the Jew, you are a son of God. That is what it meant, means nothing more than that, because he's got son by the tons. Okay? But if you ask the question, how many sons has he got? God? He says, one.
I said, Look, your book is full of sons of God. But now the poor man is only made to see things that suits him, and he doesn't see the other. This is a very innocent expression with they have twisted the meaning but what
Have, historically speaking, what has led the Christians the massive number of Christians to believe that God that Jesus is the Son of God? From, I think, one of the verses right? And you see, the reason is that the Jewish the Bible is a Jewish book, written by Jews, the Jewish audience, Old and the New and new, written for a Jewish audience. And they understood or the author understood what it meant.
But not this book, with this message, the very first people who came into contact with that message with the Greeks and the Romans,
the Greeks and the Romans were the very first people outside Palestine, who came into contact with this message of a new Son of God, who had just come up in Palestine.
But not to the Greeks and the Romans, what was metaphorical to the Jew became literal to the Greek because they had their men got beyond counting.
They had Jupiter. These are the names and ancient mythologies, Jupiter, the God of heaven, Pluto, the God of hell. Welcome was the god of fire. Neptune was the God of the sea. Mars was the god of war. And zS was the father of all these gods with his many wives and many children, you will on some planet, with as many wives and many children's Yes. And he was sending his sons into the world as the need arose. His Apollo, his Horus is ISIS is Osiris.
This was pure ecology, purity. But we're people who believe in mythology, mythology is not mythology is real. So what was metaphorical to the Jews became literal to the Greek, and they became the pioneers of that message to the Western world. So the Western world is looking at a Jewish look through Greek glasses, as the Greek side if they, if we help them to remove the glasses, let us look at a Jewish book as a Jew, you have no right to look at an Arabic book, as a Westerner, or a Jewish book, as a Westerner, you must look in the Arab what he says, according to his language, like an English, you see, an English man tells me that his fiance is a peach is the name of a fruit,
peaches, you see, she's a peach. Now when she says he is a beach, he means she's a picture of perfection. In goodness, look at everything, she is perfect. That's what he's trying to tell me. But now if I tell that in my language to my wife, or in any other language, literally, it's an most nonsensical sentence, right? Your wife,
your wife, your wife,
you have to understand the English language as an English man, you have to understand the Hebrew language as a Hebrew, and you have to understand the Arabic language is an error, then there is no problem. So this is the problem. They're looking at the Jewish book through Greek classes. Well, let's, let's take our viewers one step ahead, as we moved out of this now, into how to move these glasses out of their eyes and see the truth, right, in the Quran and about the bite, right, right. How could they do that? This is the secret is in the verse I quoted. Yes. Where it says cool. How do
you see the man comes with his Buddha, he has published for the world, the Bible in now 2000 different languages, he's got 11 different Arabic Bibles for the Arabs alone, different dialects, different ledger different script. Because they're more conscript is different from what we are using. And your script is different from the one we're using in India and Pakistan. The Arabic is the same, but the way we form our letters, which is easier on our eyes, easy on the Moroccan eyes, dialects. They got 11 different Arabic Bibles.
This is Iran. But now we were supposed to ask him for his book, without me asking who's produced it. Now, we are duty bound. If we are asking for the bohan as the mentor,
we are to analyze that. This is the purpose when Allah tells you to demand proof. So when proof is produced, you analyze it. And when you analyze it, you find it is not what he's telling you. So you reason with him with his language, his own language is a sir, when you say Jesus is the only begotten son be gotten not made? That's what he says in his catechism right? So we asked him,
excuse me, please, you know, the English man or the American? What is to be getting your language? What are you trying to emphasize? When you say be gotten not made you especially trying to tell me something? What will you please explain and believe me, American or British or will ever open his mouth and want you to explain to me what you are really trying to tell me that Jesus was not made, in other words is not like Adam, Adam was made by God right. Every buck pig and donkey was made by God as such in this
terminology of the Christian God is the father of everything. Everybody know Jesus is not like that he was not made. So please explain. They don't have this elaborate Allah he reacts. So what color is Mercado da da da da da da. And they say that our man, the Merciful God has gotten a son, silica.
Ada is one of the most abominable assertion one can make. Kakadu sama What do you mean boo at the skies are ready to burst attention, and the earth to spirit ascended
and among mountains to fall down in utter ruin, and
they should say that are among the most evil gods.
But now we have to reason with him according to his own background and experience. He said what are you trying to tell me? You see, God says to David, at the age of 40, perhaps a 200 pounder like myself said this, they have gotten the the the come out of his mother's womb, a 200 pounder with his uniform and shield and all did he know you see this word, because it means Today I brought you to this position of being my chosen messenger meaning of the word, right. So that is what is trying to say. But now you in your language, you didn't have that. So now he is understanding the other way around.
So therefore, now we have to reason with him educated, and inshallah we find that it's a very easy way of talking. Except for the missionary, the vested interest, they react, because they become helpless. When you're talking to him from his background is a look, this is what your book says. This is what your book says. So he gets frustrated. Okay, some of the interesting things that you have encountered with these missionaries in particular and the priests in your debates? Are they look for truth? Are they just fighting for themselves? No, the missionary has got his vested interest, his program, but the general generality of Christianity,
I find them very reasonable. It is an amazing thing that within masses like I am, I happen to be one of the guides, to the largest mosque in the southern hemisphere, which is in my town in Durban. And I get a lot of visitors, Christians and Jews, but out of every couple that come, one of them is siding with us, when we explain either the husband or the wife, he agrees with us. If there are three three agree with us, if there are five, at least three agree with us. It's an amazing thing, though they're not converted, but you see your point of view, this is very clear, very clear. So in other words, we are not doing the job. We are we are failing them. But otherwise the people as a
whole they are ready to listen. Especially the western American. You see, he feels his bacon is strong. So as such now he can afford you know he's in he's trying to amuse us a
lot. And he's listening. But you're not delivering the message. And you don't know how to deliver the message. All right, we shall be knowing in Sharla and the next episode because we will not leave you just like that. We are interested in having more and I think our viewers are interested in having more on how we can deliver the message in particularly some point out the finger to you the saying that you've been so harsh on the people of Christian dombret when you when you when you debate them or talk to them, we'll discover why in the next episode. So we have been with a shave, and brother and the big brother shave and a dad who's been the color of Islam for more than 40 years
so we'll be with him next time. Thank you very much for tonight. Thank you.
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Amir and His Highness The Prime Minister received at the Council of Ministers headquarters this morning, the Islamic author Achmed, deedat, who is now visiting Bahrain to deliver religious lectures.
His Highness The Prime Minister welcome the Islamic author. I wish I could stay here. Their hands is highlighted the role being played by the Islamic author in the fields of Islamic awareness and its serving of Islamic nations causes. Their highnesses also stressed the importance of session of Islamic lectures and symposiums which would benefit all Muslims. They wish the Islamic over every success in his spiritual task. The audience was attended by the ferns dos Sheikh Mohammed bin mubaraka halifa, the justice and Islamic Affairs Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Khalid al Khalifa, interior minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Khalifa Al Khalifa, the transportation minister Sheikh Ali bin
Khalifa Al Khalifa, the Justice assistant Undersecretary for Islamic affairs, Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdullah Al Khalifa and Sheikh Salman bin Mohammed bin Salman al Khalifa