Man God Relationship Regent Spark Masjid London
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brothers and sisters in Islam Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi over
here in the center of Islamic culture center,
we welcome you all.
We are very happy to have this gathering tonight.
And we hope that we
be able to entertain you
and so many ways to listen to the lecture, to participate in questions and to have that atmosphere brotherly atmosphere.
I know that you are so keen not to listen to me to listen to our speaker. So I will not keep keep you away from him.
We will start our meeting by asking our chief Imam in the center shift command
what is required from him to introduce our speaker, I know that you may know him better than us. But whatever may be, we have to know something about him. For those who are not fully
informed about him.
We will start our meeting of course, as usual, or as it is the son of Islam by recitation from the Holy Quran. And our excited tonight to share that with Amma.
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brothers and sisters in Islam.
As my colleague Sharon said before, we welcome you all,
at this Islamic culture center, we are glad to have that gallery
to have the honor speaker amongst us to have also Dr. Clark, also amongst us.
As the chairman of this meeting, I have a few words to say. Our brother admitted that he is very hard worker land for Islam. He has of course from South Africa. And he has done a great deal over there. He has a lot of application. He also produced many
video cassettes and he has done for the propagation for slam more than anybody else has done. And we pray to Allah subhanaw taala sincerely to reward him for that and to enable all of us to benefit. Fourth, he is going to say to us and I'm not going to hold you in
The more but what remain is just how we are going to conduct our brother that will speak and naturally there will be question time after that but although brother did that look younger much younger than I am, I should imagine one and a half hour exercise is quite more than sufficient so for our brothers that is going to speak any lengthier which is but we hope the exercises will in say by now squat up to seven lessons say we are going to end inshallah by water pasty.
Thank you very much. And out brother to that.
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belimbing shaytan al rajim Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem. In kulu, manga sama de Waal, rd
Illa RT Rahmani AB de la.
our distinguished visitors, Dr. Floyd Clark, from America and my dear brothers and sisters.
The subject, the topic, as described by the chairman, is quite a stupendous
task that has been given to me
I am a student of comparative religion,
but the topic is of a higher intellectual major,
then that fits into my capacity. However,
he Muslims we have one good fortune
and that is
that whatever is required of us, is given to us in the column law, the Book of Allah in such succinct form
that it's hard for philosophers and critics and intellectuals to imagine
like one or the poet equally so beautifully.
To philosophy on say, hola Sokka. Or our own say, Hello Nava.
Come Lee Malini Batalla de jan de Sha Romy
meaning that the philosophers couldn't unravel and these critics higher intellectuals couldn't find that that this mental trap person the simple man in Arabia, he revealed the secret in few words. Of course those words were not used.
They were the words of Allah tala himself and in the Holy Quran in the verse that I read to you. That secret is given what is the relationship between men and God in Islam?
I read to you a verse, a very short verse.
And that verse occurs in Surah, Maryam
verse number 93.
in Assam RT, what are the
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that in the heavens and they will come before his creator except as an actor, as a servant, as a slave, our relationship with our maker, instead of a master servant, of the owner and a slave, this is the relationship in amateur.
And we leave it to the philosophers and intellectuals to go on rambling about all the other details, but in a nutshell, this is it. He is our maker, and we are enslaved.
Now there is a difference you see this question as the new reason for the subject that has been given. Because I was amazed at the title of the subject. And just last week, for the first time I saw it on papers is what I'm expected to speak here.
I was amazed because I have saved some 20 different topics
20 different topics for which to select, you know, to make things easy for me to speak and I find
A subject which in my life I have never dealt with before.
So I was wondering whether they're trying to catch me out of what this was what the Jews were doing with Jesus Christ again and again.
I know the motives of the Jews, and that is not the same as it has been explained.
See, the Jews were always wanting to catch up Jesus, catch him out.
They come to him
with a poser with a
Zen master, Rabbi mala Messiah
must be paid tribute to Caesar or not.
There was a catch there. He says yes, pay tribute. They will say this man is a steward of the government. He can be the man we are waiting for rejecting.
He says don't pay, they won't pay when the government is done.
So it gets into trouble if the government either reduces heads I win, tails you lose.
So Jesus Christ, God inspired is asking the Jews very the tribute my tax money, and they show him a point. So he said, inscription is this is the seasons render unto Caesar what is Caesar's what belongs to him. So he gets out of the difficulty. I don't know if it's that easy for me to get out of the difficulty.
Now look, Christian Brothers, fellow countrymen, we are in notion of Christianity. They have certain attitudes about this relationship, about which they post their post is that they are not like the Muslims. The Muslims says, I'm a slave and I'm a servant of God. masala Salam is a servant of God and the slave of God. This is we we are the son.
We have a father and son relationship with God. That is the most on account of that I think the intellectuals are having an out of a gym, is it in their governmental intellectual level? So they go to these professors in the universities, and they have these dialogues or trialog hasn't been described.
But now I am very, very fortunate
in this that because I haven't got the capacity. Nobody questions me on that level.
The Christians, they don't question me on that level, because they question me on the level that I speak.
So the difficulty is I'm not that guy.
Now this relationship that the Christian goes about father and son relationship
is is superior to the Islamic concept of a master servant relationship.
verbally, domestics when we carry out maybe the other one sounds more glamorous, which is our father, the loving Father in heaven, and on and on.
So an amazing thing, this beautiful attribute
the father will have is a lovely attribute
for God Almighty.
But this attribute is totally ignored, rejected in the Quran.
You know, in the Holy Quran,
Allah, Allah gives us some 99 of his attributes 99 crowning with the crowning jewel, a law is like a necklace of pearls with a crowning jewel Allah 99 names 99 pearls with a big Pearl Jam along
giving us a total concept of Allah by Allah.
And in these 99 mains,
Father is not one of them
is an amazing situation is a miracle of the Quran. This very simple fact.
That for 23 years, this man of God
consciously or unconsciously kept that word father out of the book
is a miracle in itself.
for 23 years, this word is being dangled before him
like a golden carrot, catch it, catch it and he doesn't catch it
is as Allah describes himself in the Holy Quran, when Lovelady Lyla Illa who is Allah decide when there is no other God?
Malik King, the Holy One, a salon the source of peace in perfection, and on and on and on 99 different names, but APA is not one of them, instead of APA
and rap is a far more difficult words than
any BB APA in Arabic and Hebrew means father
ABB rapid, Lord cherisher system sustainer. evolver rapid is a hardware
mean Roku, Allah means Roku, alameen Alhamdulillah wa phenol amine,
wrap, wrap up is out.
It's America, because in his environment, from the human point of view, if I challenge anybody to come on, can you in your religion give me some attributes of God, this illiterate man that does it, he gave us 99. We know it's not his effort. It's not his work. But since the non believers as Muhammad wrote the book is arrived. He wrote the book, and he gave us 99 main attributes.
I would like you to give me
And fire these intelligence, these professors, these DVDs, try them out. Come on, give me attributes of God. So almost the very first one will be the Father in heaven.
He's merciful. Yes, it's just Yes. And on and on. And he can't go beyond
the greatest intellectual that you will come across. He can't go beyond
as that this will determine. And that is, if you say he did the job, he gave you 99
cents. Well, he was a genius. And a genius can do 10 times better than the clever guy. Maybe so. But as you see, that is not the real miracle. The real miracle is that he kept this one out. The one that is just out that makes it a miracle, because he's dead before him for 23 years is being dangled, because the people are talking about the Father and the Father in his co Father which art in heaven, hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come Thy Father in heaven. And that word father is no use for Allah. Allah in the Quran. Why?
The word? good word. Jesus guys use it.
We can't find it.
But this word has created several misconception.
For that reason it came out not because the word is bad. There are so many words which we use in common speech, but for certain reasons as to certain words, like the word former a
you know, what is comedy? A friend, a companion what's wrong with Oh, terrible word, but we will not use it.
Especially in America.
You people have been more broad minded, the British
common a, what's wrong with the word formulae? Nothing wrong. But as soon as you say farmer aid in the mind of the hero, you are a communist, Association, by association. So by association, the word is contaminated.
By itself, the word is.
By itself, the word father is beautiful, but by association with other ideas. Were in this environment. The Christian is always talking about the Father in heaven. Yes.
This is Jesus his son. Yes. This is you see this Jesus is not a son like any one of God's creatures.
He is the begotten son
is in the Catechism, the Anglican catechism it says, Jesus is the only begotten Son, because then not May.
He's the son don't make a mistake. Not like Adam. Adam was made by God. Every document don't he was made by God. As such metaphorically. He is the father of everything. He is the Creator cherishes. sustainer father of everything. But the Christians are no No, no, no, no, not like that. Jesus was not made.
See the association. So Allah tala
Voila. And they say that are among the most people God has been gotten a son.
Shane, Brenda, so one of the most abominable assertion one can make the worst swearing you can give allies this.
To say that Allah we got a Sun City Association now. Jesus is the only begotten Son. Allah says, Allah, Allah, He does not beget and it's not because when the other one says he's not made, he wants you not to make a mistake. To think that he made Jesus like anybody else was act of will know he got.
So by association, that word is contaminated. Therefore, Allah made us to eschew that word, keep away from using the word because there are people in the world. Of course, the philosopher said he knows he doesn't
Meaning that as I know, it doesn't mean that but there'll be millions will be misunderstanding this terminal expression. So keep always
keep that word out of the book is this miracle one of these little miracles of
Now, I read this verse to you
from Surah Maryam
if you have a Quran at home, I would like you to go and check it out. And it's a very good habit, whoever talks to you lectures to you, and if he gives you a reference, make a note of that reference and check it up. Because by checking it out, your knowledge increases and what you have heard becomes your permanent property. Otherwise isn't good entertainment.
I know we all like to be entertained.
listening to lectures, we love to joke always is fantastic lecturer like that, and it's gone.
But if you then really deep into what the man has said most briefly with the references and when you checking it at a certain time, whatever was said becomes a permanent fixture in your computer. And from there on, you can pass it on and it becomes firmer and firmer in your mind.
So where will you find it? I said Pura Maria.
And in the ordinary Quran that is to read the Arabic Quran, Masha, Masha, Muslim, Muslim,
I was a child I've been reading through the Arabic Quran.
And this was very difficult for me, oh my people to find somebody says Hola, Maria. We're gonna find a medium. We might give you too many people. Everybody says somebody die you will be asking and again we are seen blessing. So we know where your sin is. But the rest of the Quran, generally, the non Arab Muslim, he can put his finger on.
That was my difficulty. And that's the difficulty of my papers when I tell them, they can't find it.
So, we are at an advantage today, you know, in most specially in the West, that there is a Quran available.
This one by Abdullah Yusuf Ali,
Abdullah Yusuf Ali, it's a monumental work
around the third is this man from the indo Pakistan subcontinent. He had done this job. It took him 40 years to do this job, what two years of his life he spent
and his language
this English is so beautiful, that a lot of English people when they read it, they can't believe that an oriental could have done this work.
And you do not have to study Shakespeare or metal to improve your English or your children's English. Consult this book for English, you know the language. You don't have to read Shakespeare to improve this.
This book has another big advantage in that at the end of this volume there is a very comprehensive index
What do you want to know anything you want to know on your fingertips? You want to know about marriage and M you've been married 14 different topics and the marriage under that heading What do you want to know divorce and the D fine divorce during this gorons Allah Allah tala
concept of Bukola tells you he revealed the whole surah
Salah he didn't give us details. He said look at the photo. He didn't give us details and look at the profit for song. He didn't just look at the profit. Watch him see what he tells you. You do. But
he wouldn't tell us look at the profit.
No, which means you will have to do so now for mothers to show us how good he was. So he goes out of his way to reveal a Surah Surah Allah.
But who knows about it
might be but I know when the wife was too much salt in the curry or the samosa
so he tells his wife
said Why did you marry your mother?
Don't know about the adults I don't know how they do it. But I know the Muslims in my country that's how we do
you get angry about
eating peanuts. You have to show them this
trouble whole chapter but nobody seems like nobody seems to have ready
to open up and divorce. It tells you how to do the job. You won't regret if you did it allows you to do you won't have to do that thing.
in South Africa
so what do you want to know ah
Maria, Maria. So under em, you find Maria in italics. Every time the word occur in the index in the italics, you will know it is the name of a surah. You see Marianna, it says 19. So right open chapter 90, I suppose 9395 93.
So everything on your fingertips, and this book is readily available. You know, I took the trouble before leaving South Africa, I sent out 2000 of the deluxe edition, printed in Hong Kong,
printed in Hong Kong, in South Africa and export it to London.
In South Africa, you people money back guarantee, I says you have 90 days, three months, you keep the book, you read the book and you return it, your money will be refunded to you in full, plus one extra, extra buy a problem?
That's the type of business I do.
I know that we'll be here
right. So you see,
this is Maria. It was preceded by those other words, but Allah says,
Allah, they say that are among the Muslim board because we got a son. So Allah VX. So look at the chicken shape
is one of the most abominable assertions we can make, to counter some arbitrary pattern. I mean, who entered the skies are ready to burst what unshackle argue in the earth spirit ascender what the hydrology bajada in the mountains to fall down in such a horrible sweetie.
This is father instant relationship, such a horrible space. That if the heavens had a feeling like you, emotions like you, the heavens would have fought
and the Earth would have split asunder, and the mountains fall down in a way that nothing happens.
There is an American situation
that Allah tala reacts in the strongest language that you can imagine
that if you want to swear me, if you want to be abused,
you can't abuse me anything worse than this, to say that I got a son.
Allah we got a son, because beginning is an animal act. It belongs to the law relevant functions of sex. I'm asking the Englishman again and again.
When I read his catechism, an Anglican Christian will Excuse me, Sir, tell me now, when you say get be caught on Sunday, some we got them not made. What are you trying to emphasize? Will you please explain? What are you really trying to tell me? And believe me in 40 years, no English man worth his salt ever open his mouth? No English man. You tend to be an American.
It was in a mosque. I was talking to him. I happen to be one of the guys in the largest mosque in the southern hemisphere, because in Durban, I do a job of work. You know, we have last year we handle more than 4000 tourists. And we don't just entertain them, allow them to see the sides. And so this marble came from where? from Spain, and the chandeliers came from Turkey and then terraza work and the carpet came from Porsche came from Burma. They said that things you're talking about this people that come to our masses, they want to know you what you stand for not you're not these things, because they have better things than these in their own home.
But this is the usual practice. You go to the Blue Mosque, the mosque in Egypt, where the mosque in Washington DC I've been there. And I see the same procedure. You know, where the marble came from, came from under the carpet came from and the term is
rubbish garbage, garbage or garbage.
So have you a job of work. And in this I talk to people ask them questions, they ask me questions. So it happened to be an American I was telling him
speak English that is also mother tongue. English is American, but he speaks English. Such as you tell me when you say we've gotten not made, what I am trying to emphasize, what I tried to tell him is that it means so what does it mean? It means side by
side sired by God. That is the word they use in animal husbandry, you know,
the type of thing they do
artificial insemination and the natural processes. This this horse was signed by that one man that was his father. It was sired by that one in sight but that one is an animal drug using animal has been
There is a side but so why don't you tell me what it means? I didn't say that. That is what happened.
a way for you to start with your fellow countrymen
and women when they talk about Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son, because they're not making as many sons, but those are metaphorical. The Adam was created by God, you will not be gotten Jesus was bigger than not made
up of people from the east. Maybe you are second generation English British here. But most of us I see our first generation people coming. And that language also betrays some bit of Pakistan, Bangladesh and Pakistan, in the tongue when they speak English, it which to me is
I have to
say, so for you. It's so nice.
Will you please explain when you say be caught and not many? What are you trying to tell me? I don't understand, will you please make it easy for me? And voila, no Englishman will ever open his mouth. This is this way of teaching the Pharisees what he's telling you.
I asked him a simple question.
Please explain to me what is to begin with your language we will not make What are you trying to tell me?
This is the main reason why in Islam, we say you approach Allah as an actor, as a servant as a slave. And the slave of God is a free man. He is a free man. This idea of fathering sonship we know what it has done to the mentality of people. That familiarity they want to create with God, and what the familiarity has done to them. See the example.
In America, you see, you see cheering heights. When I was here, I saw it on TV 1000 days in London's Hyde Park advertising the word last June. In San Francisco, not this June the previous June 300,000. sodomites. Would you call them gays? They gathered in San Francisco on a pilgrimage led by 50 lesbians and motorcycles. This is the type of attitude you have towards God.
Is that like a friend to you? Like your bosom pal? Now you can behave anyhow you live with him? That all respect reverence is gone. So when you think like that,
people generally ask all these things. No. How do you get to all these sort of things? Which school? Which university? You went to?
For law? I went to new university, I want to know
how does all these things come about? So let's see. I left school. At the age of 16, I passed what is called standard six.
And I was working in a country shop some 25 miles outside Durban, a country shop shop in the country. And across the valley from where the shop was or was an American mission called Adams mission station.
It was an American born amanzimtoti on the south coast.
At this mission, the mission was being trained
in comparative religion, in whatever they learned, they practiced on us in the shop, to see our salesman selling sugar and salt hanging. Nice things like that in a little rude things and all the other stuff. We like myself all school boys, just left school, cheap labor, cheap labor cheap. So we were there. And these missionaries, they come along and they're not hesitant to hire.
The guy comes along
is is always buying these things. But this is your Mohammed so many wives.
I know nothing about that.
That says you know Muhammad,
he copied his book, The Quran from the Jews and the Christians. Think about that. This is you know, Islam was bred at the point of the sword. I know nothing about that.
Only knowledge I have had about Islam as well as my companions was that we need the kalama if I ever met any one of you then and you say you're a Muslim, as a community kalama said yes.
That's how I passed in our past. Everybody did the kalama you almost what that meant? I didn't know.
I read it. That's a formula magic formula. I'm a Muslim. I knew the way my father prayed. I pray the way he made me go to the very Faster, faster. I knew all of that. But what about Islam and you know,
once you've elected and this is my people, this is what we wish we knew nothing.
So these people are making life miserable for us. They didn't know that they were creating a monster for themselves that they didn't know
that there is a test this guy should have left him alone.
So what to do, leave the job and run away or fight back. Now you can't fight back if you have no weapons.
And jobs you have to find.
After getting six pounds a month, my wages, but at the end of the month, it took another four months to get the previous month's wages. That's
what to do.
Run away. But there's no way out. But I had a hunger for reading anything everything any
read, read, read, it's a sickness. I had a sickness odd.
So one Sunday, nothing to do like going to the boss's warehouse and rummaging through a pile of newspapers. I'm looking for some more religion. Some nice, really metal like a magazine. We had something like the farmers weekly, we have the outspan personality, I'm looking for anything like that in the pile of newspapers. So I'm going through putting the newspapers once I find something I put aside as this I'll take it into my room and read them and going through.
And allies Mr. Google as Bob He is the creator of opportunities, see how he does it? How living on the book, living? Karl Marx does capita, he was imprisoned and you read it. And he came out he implemented it one man. And today, I mean 200 million
1000 million communists, because one man with the book, this is what the potentiality of a book.
This is a woman book, read cover full of Museum, I take it up and start to smell.
The book, it says is hollyhock. I said edge a RULHL.
English does it
h a. L is how aq
so as in brackets in small writing, this is the truth review. Maybe that means this. Let's see, I open the book.
And it is a book about the British conquest of India.
my country, my country, that when the British conquered my country, they realized that at any time anybody that will do them traveling the country will be the Muslims. Because power rule Dominion was wrenched out of their hands. And once you have tasted power and rule you want to aspire for it once more. So if we can convert the Muslims,
if we teach them to turn the other cheek, we can prove them for 1000 years peacefully the Hindus whereas das Allah is the cause that they worship at that time, no problem.
So they started pouring in the missionaries into India like frogs in the rainy season.
In the rainy season,
like frogs in the rainy season, and they started challenging the Muslims to public debates.
At first, the Muslims were reluctant, you know, these are our rulers. And if you talk too much, if we argue too hard, they might send us to California, those black waters in the islands, who wants to go there. So, keep out of it, keep out of trouble. And we have been emasculated to
a great extent.
You know, you will now you find them all over the world, the Muslim spiritless people, emasculated people
treated people were waiting for to be slaughtered. This is the spirit of almost any little thing that Muslim Muslim just terrified. I took out the pamphlet about the Pope and the Muslim just study by Muslim not
something has gone wrong with this militancy is gone.
So as its escalate the Muslim teach them to turn the other cheek problem is solved. So now they come into India challenging the Muslims and the Muslims don't want to debate so the master of a language. So in your language, first excuse was that we don't know English. Right is in your language. And this is the beauty, the greatness of the Westerner. wherever he goes, he learns the language of the nation
He musters your language and he speaks to you in your language, the most of us.
He comes from South Africa.
He goes to Indonesia, he learns English. He goes to Arab countries he learned
wherever he goes, he mastered your language. You go into somebody's foreign country in 50 years, you don't learn this language.
And I think I've seen both men talamanca men are monisha. If you learn the language of the people, you will be able to avoid, try and save yourself from that machinations.
I'm able to do that to create action.
Born in India, born in India, the British over 16 years ago, British subject, I have a British passport when I was nine years old. I know how many of you are British for more than two years, I am
not having seen an Englishman in my life, up to the age of nine, I go to South Africa, and I'm coming to
the hub of the British Metropolis and speak to him in his language, and tell him
talk to him.
And he can get away with it, because I understand his language, what he's talking about.
So I can ask him, excuse me, Sir, will you please explain what it is to be getting your language because I know what it means. I want you to tell me, I want you to open your mouth.
master the language and minister to public debates.
Now, the Muslims have no issue. The gentleman from the elders is
the hammer is a man.
This guy wants to debate with us in our language. How can we say no now Somalian Abdulaziz of Delhi, he was forced to take up the challenge. And there was a Reverend founder who was taking a lead in that debate expedition.
And according to the appointed time, indeed, the debate stance, and I'm quoting the book, I'm reading this book that 100,000 people gathered at that meeting. I don't know how why she was getting Tuesday's.
But somehow the people loved it even if they didn't Yeah, they could see
the 100,000 people.
And the Reverend began, Reverend.
So he begin begin by requesting the Mawlana said Maulana ahead, respected man,
please get started.
So the Milan as I said, you will develop Christianity precedes Islam by 600 years. As such, you are our elder brother, and according to our culture, you have the first choice.
Secondly, you are a guest, no doubt an unwelcome guest. But it gives that that so as such according to a culture, you have the first preference. So the Reverend was forced to begin.
And he began with a question.
This is Maulana Sahib.
When is your Prophet Muhammad Nah.
So the Madonna thought for a moment? And he said, He's in general, with Allah subhanaw taala is in heaven with God Almighty.
God that answered in the second question.
said all right, all right.
You see, he's in he was in heaven. He's in heaven. Where was he, when he's getting some crusade was Martin Karbala. Where was he then?
So again, the Maulana for a moment? And he replied, he was still in general, is Allah what Allah
invests in heaven with God?
Where was he then?
So again, the response that he was in? Those
are out of that answer in the question
out of that answer in the third question,
all right, all right. If he was with his Allah
in heaven, when his son was murdered, and
then he asked his allapattah.
Then he asked for help.
So there was a long pause.
And then I'm going to start to come on, come on, Gene, he asked.
Me, somebody can bully me.
Did he ask Allah for him? So after a long pause, the monana says, Yes, he did. So what did he say?
What does Allah say? Because you know he was gonna say
and there was an inordinate bore.
So the police started beating his feet once more again. Come on, come on.
So the mala and people felt that is gone. That is last Miranda
Come on, come on. Allah said Allah began to cry
see what the matching of the weeks
it was a matching of the width.
It has nothing to do with true or false. See, you try to be clever You said you came out he catches you out, catches catch can know that you can invest in this all interesting this catches catch can this intellectual catch us catch, catch, catch the other varieties get time to catch you up. But since then
the Christians have evolved different systems, they're, you know, sophisticated, they're more sophisticated now. So they come into this, the verse I quoted you from Maria.
So they have tried to find fault with the Quran.
They tried to find fault with the Quran. Previously, they were attacking Islam, the Holy Prophet of Islam,
attacked him attack Islam and the Quran. And they found that they couldn't get away with that.
So they change the methods. They're masters psychologists, they're in the field for at least 300 years, they're doing the job they know psychology. So they tried different different methods. Now they write books, books by the orientalist. So they write said Muhammad was a sincere man, but a false prophet.
He was a sincere man, but a false prophet. They would say that we find no deliberate deception on the part of
Muhammad Salah didn't deliberately deceive anybody, but for a man you know, he was an evil and he didn't know what he was doing. So inadvertently, he was deceiving the people will find new deliberate deception.
Now they study the Quran
and they putting us to task they're forcing us to study the Quran, you know that.
So from Surah, Maryam
read their, you know, the birth of Jesus after the Annunciation. She goes away to a remote place in the east and when the child is born, she returns with a baby.
As the Quran says in Surah Maryam in verse 23 says, By the way, he called Maha Mudra.
At length she brought the beam to people getting a
They say who the Jews they say that omit is truly an amazing thing as abroad. Yo Davina.
Makana. uchimura Rama gana Kiba says Your father was not a man of evil, nor that mother a woman and chaste insinuating, insinuating How is it that you brought this child without a husband? You know, you're not married?
Anything that this child is illegitimate.
Father was a good man. Your mother was a good woman. Now you've been married God.
What is she to do?
She knows that this was not a child. So as Allah says Basha LA, but she pointed to the babe, asked him and then
spoke according to the Quranic tradition,
of the law, so most certainly I am the servant of Allah
has given me revelation
is me and so on. But now the Christians are reading this, the Quran reading and studying the Quran and they are posing as questions problems, sales during the lecture in Johannesburg at the end of it, Christian missionary, you know, during the question time, he says, you know, Mr. D, that your Prophet Muhammad
was a little enemy. I said yes.
Not only that, you
and me, an illiterate person might be able to lead God has given him self knowledge, intelligence and he can still lead he can read and write, but an ignorant person will mislead people. So your profit not only he wasn't me, but he was ignorant.
So Muslim, what are you talking about? What are you referring to? is Luke in the Quran Chapter 19. It says there
The Haruna Oh sister of Harun Maria Melissa, is it to see your prophet didn't know the difference between this Maria, the mother of Jesus and that Maria sister.
They had a sister called Maria the Westerner calls a medium in Hebrew is the same, this medium and that medium are the same. In Arabic this medium and that medium are the same. But for convenience they call this one marry and the other one they read in the word medium. See the English as this one. But it's Miriam Miriam saying this your prophet didn't know the difference between this Maria and Maria
So this is the man who doesn't know the difference is 1300 years difference between that medium and this medium? And you have no support madam, you know is misleading the people is thinking that this Miriam's father was her own celebrity she had a father, or brother,
this is no, he's confused. Since this is a new study they are doing.
You have to be prepared. And I think that they are actually forcing us to get to
these people we are still carried away.
Chanting, chanting away without knowing what we are chanting.
Look, this is something wrong. Yeah. So now you can put on your thinking cap and find out what is all this thing about?
Is this any truer than what they're saying?
they say what are you going to say? Ask I will tell you this. No. You see, this is a manner of trying to speak about the serious seriousness of the matter that your father was a good man.
Your mother was a good woman
and come from such a global family family of Haruna Salah because the mama in the bunny side was a family tradition has a masala salami and he bites the priestly class, the moment of the demand among such a family is Maria Marie salon born come from some googling history. How is it now that you brought a child without a husband?
Christians is now your prophet didn't know the difference is not
the most trivial here is an exception I can see the one I can see the logic the reason why.
But the guy was looking for trouble. No, no no no your profit.
So I was confronted this and because of the type of reading that we are dealing with the Christians talking to them. Say Allah tala. From his email attorney, he
comes to you anymore.
Anybody you come across? Who tells you to get in verses, send him take action?
elimelech images from his own business?
such that you know, the answer to your problem is in your own book.
This problem you are creating the answer is in your own book.
The first book of the New Testament, the Gospel of St. Matthew, chapter one, verse one.
Book One, chapter one, verse one, the answer
to your problem about Boko Haram
is the same as it says, This is the generation of Jesus Christ, the birth of Jesus and His genealogy.
Abraham, the son of David, right, select the son of Abraham.
So he's a father son.
Abraham is his father, David is his father.
And then in the book of Luke, has chosen to tap into being the son of Jews, to the Father, in the book of Mark is that God is his father kind of got four fighters, but we'll call him in your language colloquial language. When
I'm asking him, what do you call?
It doesn't mean that.
shows up his father calls his father, his father, Jesus Christ.
Doesn't mean that.
You see, he comes from the prophetic tradition of Abraham.
David is supposed to tap into
See, and that's what I'm telling you. That
does not necessarily mean
I don't is my son of Abraham doesn't mean son of Abraham, there was this is the brother of Sister, sister upon that this is a different type of knowledge.
And I know you don't find these in books, this is practical, it's been in some, and they have become more and more sophisticated.
So you see the Christian missionaries.
They have evolved new English system.
We had a professor
in the University of who he was a missionary.
But he was the head of the department of Arabic and Spanish.
Originally, the Christian English man, he was the head of the department of Slavic studies, and Arabic.
And our children went to learn Arabic and Islamic under his tutelage. And he was having sideswipes at the students and the poor students can do nothing they know nothing. Like what I was 40 years ago, they are in a similar position. So they can complain to me. So you know, the professors, and the professors that said, Look, you know what you do? Get this professor over a cup of tea and call me. This is my job. But for some reason, months went by and years went by, nothing happened. Then we had a Muslim Professor coming, Professor Nagi, and a doctor and they took charge of his department. I'm telling them, get this guy for dinner and call me. He is my man. He's my meat for me.
Call me for things like that.
The people that I know that I can, you know,
I don't have to apologize for that is how you treat me like that. But I know
what have you got given to us what I have? What I haven't got Lastly, me, you embarrassing me.
So it will work. And the amount of time
that came to England is an Englishman.
After some years, he returned to Durban on a holiday. And he comes to the arcade where I have my offices next door to me and my ex secretary is what Islamic bookshop. So he goes into a bookshop
in order to browse around to see what's going on there. So my secretary next Secretary, he recognizes the man Professor Spencer is you know, over Mr. de la is next door, would you like to meet him?
my secretary knew that we need to meet him.
said yes. So my secretary, Secretary
blood pressure, heart trouble, it rushes this man Spence is also an old man about my age. So he rushes and comes to me. This is a professor.
He says he's understand our language, don't talk our language. This is but before he could finish the manager in the doorway. Good morning. Good morning.
system, so whatever you have something hot or cold.
This is called will be on a hot day has dipped orange juice.
So when he's getting the orange juice, there's no wasting time is too precious.
Some asking the professor point blank, this is Professor you know you are a master of Arabic.
And Islamic, you were the head of our department. With all that knowledge of yours. How is it that you haven't accepted Islam yet?
They have been polite, refined and polished ways of dealing with things as a matter of residences as a student. I am a van driver, a lorry driver, a furniture salesman. And from that talking, talking, I have taught myself in this position.
Don't expect from me all those nice nice polished influences and all that you will get some other people coming by with all that those qualifications you listen, I myself survived. Why aren't you accepting? Why haven't you accepted this language?
the mothers with him.
So he said, Have you got the translation? Then in the Arab countries of Yusuf Ali.
I'm thinking what's wrong with this? I'm asking him Why haven't you accepted Islam? And he's asking about an Arabic translation of usually done in an Arab country as a professor or the use of various translations, whether India Pakistan, Hong Kong, Singapore. Very good. Anyway.
We are all on the same page, what page? The only difference is the static process smaller, or finer paper, a thicker paper makes it different in thickness, but otherwise page for page, every usable translation is the same. Now, I want to see one done in the country.
I don't know why. So I had one that I was sitting down. And
it's funny, I'm asking him, why haven't you accepted Islam? Then he wants this Arabic translation, like Give it to me.
And he opened the place.
And he gives it to me is is really
actually is answering me is answering me why he has not accepted Islam yet. But I can get the job. I'm a bit slow.
Or a professor, I'm a bit slow. See, I was like, Why haven't you but now he's, you know,
English way Polish a diplomatic way. This is with this. So subsequently, I found out that it was
I think was 39.
So I read it.
are the below me?
So I read that
I read the meaning. It says shaytan is telling Allah, Allah. Oh my Lord.
Since Tao has got me in the wrong
now, I will mislead all these people.
Take them out of the way and make evil conspiracy mean to them. And Wish me the whole time?
Because you got me in the wrong. So
this would avoid me? Yes, sir. It doesn't mean that I'm in the wrong, it means you misled me.
You have misled me.
So he's actually telling me how can I How can I believe in a board who mislead? But I still don't have the job. I'm telling you, I'm a bit slow. In my thinking.
so reasoning with him as a professor,
surely there could be two different shades of meaning. One what you say and when this word is written? Yeah, nah. Have you got an Arabic dictionary? No, I haven't got it. Even if I had a consultant
that says No, I haven't got it
means you misled me, Allah misleading.
So, I said you know professor, look, the Simple English one r u n run has got 90 meaning 90 different meanings for you and run 90 minutes? Why not in Arabic?
My common layman's logic,
90 meanings, and you can contradict me, then why not in Arabic, this would have to mean?
No. Avoid any means avoid, and you misled me.
As a professor, look, this is what the devil is say. And the devil will say devilish things. That's his nature. We always do things like that, don't we?
I make a mistake. And I blame my host. You know, you put me on to all this trouble.
Actually, I came here with a with a bag of what you call
me customs. And I will tell you now, when I got
This is man, this is good man. This, this devilish thing is that she made the mistake and he says that Allah.
Allah didn't say, but as you know, in your Bible, God says you miss lee.
in your Bible, God says he miss lee here shaitan saying if it is right, that you misled me
that he's talking devilish thing.
But in your Bible, God says enormous Lee.
That's what I was waiting for.
I'm not revealing too many secrets.
This is where I said, You see, when God commanded Moses to liberate.
He tells Moses go and
talk to Pharaoh, tell him, let my people go.
Let my people go, freedom. But I will harden his heart says I will harden his heart that he will not let go. So I can give
One rack one place.
So he did exactly. He goes to Pharaoh to let my people go. So I'm the hurdles is hard.
and he says Moses again forgive him that might be can go, but I will harden his Mac. So he will not let go.
And nine times he did it.
So I said you see in your book called Miss Lee
Yeah, shaytan is insinuating that God is saying, We stood up, ran away, said, Professor, where are you going? bosasa Look, I want me to fill in the city.
But you see now, this is my
my knowledge comes from experience people are making me to they're forcing me to think they're making me to do things. He's most of people as well. This is how great opportunities and that is how I get my knowledge. So therefore I can speak on that level.
Any other level you want from me? I says, No, you
must apologize that I fall short of your expectations. With
these words, I say I'm very, very grateful for this opportunity. And for this fantastic audience. We all love you all. And pray for me that maybe I'll give another couple of years to carry on with this book of Allah. Marita.
Thank you very much.
thank you very much, brother.
Um, first of all,
that when we thought about the subject, we try to create a problem. This is not this was not our intention in any way. As I mentioned in my introductory remark, always when we go and speak to people, sometimes we are confronted with such questions. So we have thought here there is opportunity to learn from elder brother who is experienced who is in the field for many, many years. But nonetheless, what we heard
no doubt, it was enlightening. It was the lighting also, at the same time, if there is anything remained for me to say. And here again,
was full frankness and brotherly feeling. I don't mean to be discourteous in any way. But
again, when you go on to talk to people outside,
always the try to judge
Islam, by the behaviors of the Muslims.
And we see that as unfair to Islam.
And from the same angle, yes, I share my brother asmodee that the concern of the associated diseases prevailing in the West.
But it is not the product of Christianity as God has given
but it is the product of manmade ideology and theories. And so
the other thing I used to say, when Allah subhanho wa Taala was discussing the question of humanity of Jesus.
In surah three made Allahu Allah Bina after slaughter Salah,
in the language of the Quran, when naseeha memoriam was
unless you have
unless you have no money
to get a plan upon Jesus, the son of Mary was not but a messenger
and his mother was a sin.
And both of them used to eat
and the Quran lifted the wrist for the human understanding, because eating is followed by the surcharge and so on. So, although
blunck language sometimes it has to be done it has to be adopted as a
electric shock, but uncertain occasion, again, the Quran tries to, you know, lead us uncertain, sensitive area geos some sort of
what brother rightly said those intellectual, although people who call themselves as that lecture, sometimes they run afterwards and try to polish things and so on. However, both approach are relevant in certain areas, both approach are complementary and should be dedicated to the
promotion of the Islamic teaching, of preaching
of the right way to the people in charge, if any questions before because we have about 15 minutes ago, any questions to be raised? Yes, please. May I, could you introduce yourself stand up, please. Could you kindly introduce yourself
and brief with
Jesus was asked
the doctor by sex, or by any animal, if you look at the Bible, I'm not a great theologian. I'm just an ordinary person.
The Bible says, This is St.
Mary, how can she conceived Jesus said she is a virgin? And how shall this be said to the angel say, I know not a man who has not had sex with a man and the angel answers.
Christianity teaches this is
the Holy Ghost
shall come upon
the power of highest
that will also that coding thing, which shall be born of the shall be called the Son of God. Now this is not an animal act, this is the Holy Spirit
coming upon Mary.
not a human.
This is a spiritual.
So we agree with you that Jesus was not physically the gods.
And when you ask an Englishman what because it means that we don't know because the word we brought in is not in English. It's not a common word, because it doesn't happen at
the right price. We can say it happened only once. human history and where we got this template, and, you know, religious texts, but if you look at
so it was a common brother? Was it a question? Or was it a common?
Anyway, if you wish, brother.
I'm very, very happy that brother Steven
has been coding from the Gospel of St. Luke's where his good news was given to Mary by the birth of a Holy Son. And she naturally reasons with the Archangel. How can this thing be when I know no demand? Meaning section? No, no demand meaning sexually.
This is confirmed almost word for word. When the good news was given to me about the birth of a Holy Son, she says,
while I'm in such a passion, she says, Oh my Lord, how shall I have a son when no man has touched me? Or the Bible says when I do not a man
sexually is only a choice of words. But now the replies to that from the revealing.
You see in the Bible as you could adjust now that the English and the Holy Ghost will come upon the encoding King James English, and the power of the Messiah will overshadow the
I know it doesn't mean sexual, but the language is sexual. The language is down.
Because the ages in the agnostic they have been asking questions, and the Anglican bishops are asking the same questions today. How does the Holy Ghost C'mon marry. How did the over Almighty overshadow her?
Quran says the answer to that is without a doubt Imran bhai nama yaku for that
The blue key energy
and the thing comes into play. So we are both trying to say the same thing. But the language of the Bible is such that it leads to other interpretations. And this is an only quoting Martin Catechism of the Anglican Church.
The Roman Catholic Church, they say that Jesus is the only begotten Son, because then not May, if you say this is not modern English, why in 1985 they have it, why don't they change it? So, find it with Oxford Dictionary the word because, and we got news what it says, you say I can call any one young man Do
you mind if I call you my son? Do you mind if I told you my son?
Man, you Steven
says we shouldn't go any
This is human language.
My son, my child is appalled that nobody says
be the person who doesn't know that relationship. Because I call it my son.
My son, you know, Pakistani or Hindustani will never mind me calling him better. Or your daughter, my daughter, you might know.
But if somebody who doesn't know the relationship is asking, Is it really your son?
This is no Oh, you see, I love this man. He loves me the father like a grandfather.
That's what I meant. But instead if I said yes, he's might be gotten some demeanor changes. That's why this young man was terrified.
Mira Genova, which means that something to do with his mother
doesn't know what she looked like.
So, when you say, don't come out with the excuse that is not modern English, it is in the Oxford dictionary. If you haven't got one, I'll get one for you, maybe from the library, and I'll show you today, we got the means to be dead. begetting is an animal act, it belongs to the lower animal functions of sex and not to attribute such a polity to God in short, now, man, how we philosophize and sophisticated and fitment is a meme that the language itself is down to earth we are both trying to say the same thing that Jesus has gone miraculous. We are going to get the language we take exception This is the language you are using using is down to the language for God and our
relationship with him. We must use the sublime language between him and his relationship. You don't talk like you're talking to your any Tom Dick and Harry your friends.
So the exception is with the language that is
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What do you believe is fear God, as you have to fear him
Fear Allah as you ought to fear Him, how do you fear Allah?
He does it beautifully. He gives us
three different types of fears or four different types of fears. What is fear? He starts to explain, there is a fear, he says, number one of a coward, a coward. He's afraid of Congress, he's afraid of heights.
A bit of everything, because of the abject fear of the coward, which anyone should be ashamed of. Everyone should be ashamed.
There is another type of fear, the fear of a reasonable man who wishes to avoid harm to himself or to someone who loves
my brother is driving too fast.
Now the fear of protecting his friends and family forces him to slow down he wants to drive 100 miles an hour.
reasonable man are you see the signs they
catch you they're fine you the barrier line you cross it is that you'll be fine. So is a reasonable man is trying to avoid harm to himself, or to his family and friends.
A lot, a lot of
that fear. And there is another type of fear, which is a kid will love
that you will love this object of love so much that you fear to do anything with the will of the Beloved.
Like in a rude way i can tell you about my wife.
She has been my life partner for more than 40 years. And it had not been for her I wouldn't be here. You know, she encouraged me and encouraged me that I left her home enough for a month going around and all that. But I have a certain love. And there are things that I will not say to her
for fear that
she's so sensitive.
Revealing the secret to you
so sensitive that if I want to kill her, I don't have to touch her.
I don't have to touch her at all. I don't want to give us a night. I tell you with words I can kill them. I know that I just have to say something every day.
I know that being 40 years being with that I can kill it like that. I have no law in the world can get me
to do that. I want to have a second live in a third live in a fourth way.
I'm an animal by nature. And I am polygamous in my mentality. But I can't do that why I feared my wife what she's gonna hurt me. No, she saw afraid if I blow, she'll go away.
But know that fear. Fear is my love for her.
to hurt her, that fear is not fear of him, she hurting me or killing me or being anything
that is the fear of God, which Solomon and Islam says is the beginning of wisdom, the love of God, that you because you love God so much that you will not do anything to go against his will that fear. So there are grades and grades of fear. The first one, everybody should be ashamed of the second one is reasonable man you must take no makes you to behave correctly fear of getting hurt, getting your family hurt, that fear is reasonable. And this fear is the bedrock of of the low. Thank you. Shannon proved himself very right when he said he was his only a humble man pretending that he doesn't know you can hear it until you can you can listen to his answer now. Yes.
relationship between phones man
my understanding the most critical aspects between relationship between both a manual pattern that is one of
the such a position where Anna is free to love man and man please pray to God. If man is a slave of Allah, he has no freedom to exercise his responsibility to love Allah. He is just
unsure everyone here in their hearts need to be loved by God. I need to pick up on a slide by God cannot be allowed to do anything. And I cannot exercise my freedom to love God.
My understanding of the Father Son relationship is that there is the son has that freedom to love his father
and then a physician and I returned to God as a father. And you can see he loves he teaches he nurtures he he guides him
He belongs in that relationship. And all that time there's that security and a father son relationship, that the man is tied to his creative God as a son. So my question to you is, if God is all powerful,
why in his power cannot eat cannot create a father son relationship, because to me, the most important event in the whole of history is, is the fact that man has been reconciled to God, we won't go into how that came about.
But to me, if you're going to displace this father son relationship, then you are dismissing the most important thing, to men to know we've got.
As I said, you see, these are just words, words would be using, whether we use this term or that Jesus Christ is spoken of in the Scriptures, the servant of God, that servant is an insult, it is a servant. So he said to be a servant, if Jesus is a servant, we are a servant, servant, the master relationship, why can't you live your master? There was only a son, whatever the prodigal son,
the father and son relationship
is right when he does not have the freedom to express.
Why hasn't given the freedom, this God Almighty? Look, he's giving you the freedom, Adam, man, was he given the freedom of choice? Right? So he was his servant, and slave is owned by the master. And he gave his freedom said, Look, I'm telling you now, go and enjoy yourself in the garden, eat anything except the fruit in the midst of the garden, you shall not eat.
Because the data is zero that should surely die.
And yet, the man went in and did you have the freedom of choice he had. So you have the choice of loving God or denying him, the Prodigal Son Jesus told you about his staying with a father, that means we've got both the sons the good and the bad. One chooses to leave the father and go out on his own, who's the Father God, and the son is given the freedom to move in, he moved me makes the choice of coming back. This is the relationship relationship is you have the freedom of choice, whether you use the term slave servant, or son, but because of the sonship business, you're creating another idea, which in the minds of millions of the Bushman and the bankers, and the Indians in
India, or christianized. In Indonesia, the type of understanding they have is his literal understanding of father and son, that God got a son, Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. And I don't know whether you say there's not modern language. Use is not modern, as if you know, the Oxford Dictionary, or the Webster dictionary is there, because it is an animal act,
creating massive Islam have caused the use of words which have reached eye watering in a way you can play with words.
Thank you, brother for that. Before we conclude our meeting, let me remind you again for the meeting on Sunday. I think this will provide us ample chance to ask and bombard Mr. Our brother, the there was a question as I'm Dr. Clark as as many as you can. And it is a tradition of our meeting to conclude by reading sort of lost together, the meaning of sort of lost for our friends who are not Muslim and who do not understand the meaning. It says, Allah subhanaw taala is whereby the form of phenomena of time that man is on the course of loss, except that group who have faith in God and follow their face or confirm their face by by good deeds and exhort each other to adhere to patients
and to the truth. So let us read so across all together, as a conclusion of our meeting, I will be
dismayed. R Rahman r Rahim wa last in in Santa Fe was a lady in an
oily water was oh well, hot water was all the sub sobre la la z was a la bajada Sita Mohammed abirami Allah Joseph