The Timing for Jum’ah And Can One Pray Before Zawl? – Ask Shaykh YQ #241

Our first question brother Zahid from Wylie, Texas Wiley is literally the next city out of Plano. So Wylie, Texas. He is a high school student in our neighboring district. And he says that his school has allowed Muslim students to pray Juma on Fridays during the lunch break. However, he says that the lunch timing obviously when the time changes, those of you that are not in America, you should know that our time changes, we have an hour that goes back in our good that goes forward and followed in spring, he says when the time changes, then the lunch slot comes before salata to her and so, he is saying that what do we do that our lunch break therefore, will finish before the horse

starts during some of the months and then most of the month, it is perfect timing. So, he heard an opinion that he may pray Joomla in this time slot and he wants to know what my position is on this regard.

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So this is a very good question. And it deals with the beginning timing and we'll also covered the timing of salatu. Juma. Now before I answer the film or the technical side, I want to firstly encourage this brothers I had mashallah for taking the initiative. It looks like that he's already involved in the Muslim Student Association at a high school. They're engaged with the community they want to start their own Juma and this is something that encouraged every single one of you to try to make sure that you are praying Juma prayers, those of you that are in high school, those of you that are at your workplaces, obviously those that are adults, it is obligatory, the adult males it is

obligatory, and those of you that are even in school, I know that sometimes it is difficult. The least you can do is try Inshallah, to Allah to petition your your your your high school or your school, if you have a good number of students and ask for a time slot and an empty room And Alhamdulillah across at least in the United States of America. I know for a fact that many, many high schools actually have Juma on their campuses, including the one that is closest to our Masjid the public high school. This is a Western public high school. The closest is called the Plano High School. East Plano high school this is in fact a they have salata Juma on campus, and one of their

own local students gives it so I encourage all of you to try your best to have Joomla in your schools, if you are able to get permission to have it in your schools. And if you can even go to a masjid, which is, of course probably logistically far more difficult, but still try your best to do that. And by the way, even before I answer, you know, the this question from a filthy point, the reality of trying to understand our real situation in America and fine tuning fit. So some some time ago, I said that we should have a rethink through some of the rules of faith and reform what needs to be reformed. And unfortunately, some of the brothers really misunderstood and they made a very

huge deal out of it completely misquoting and, you know, going against my methodology quite clearly. And you know, may Allah forgive them for this egregious Calamondin accusation. But the fact of the matter is that this is a perfect example, our earlier books of living in an ideal Islamic land said there should be the least number of Juma as possible in a city and the maximum people should come together for every Juma. In fact, sometimes you even find some books, they said, there should really only be one July in the whole city, or at least in one entire district of a city, there should only be one Joomla. And you know, that makes complete sense when you are in a Muslim land, and everything

is going to shut down. And we are expected to go pray Joomla, but in North America and in all minority countries, situations where it is extremely problematic to take two, three hours and drive half an hour and then listen and then come back. And in fact, we have to understand not everybody even has that level of Eman to ask their boss for a two hour break. And not everybody even if they ask their boss will get a two three hour break because the workload is different. And the person who's working as a laborer, let's say in a factory doesn't have the privilege of an executive or a CEO that has much more privilege. So looking at the situation in North America and across Europe and

across the western world, we should encourage as many Juma as as possible in order to facilitate people to come to any Juma and I know for a fact that

In a number of cities, you know, especially in the cities that have large corporations, Google and Microsoft, and all of this right, that they have massive buildings, right next to each other maybe next to meaning like five minutes away, not like literally an extra but 510 minutes away, but it is a separate Campus Security insecurity out to get from there to another is a huge nightmare. Employees of one corporation cannot go to the other corporation easily, even though the physical distance is not that much. But because there are so many Muslims working in these corporations, and yes, these are all companies, Microsoft, Facebook, Google, all of them, they have mashallah low

Boingo, there's lots and lots of Muslims working in these corporations. And I know for a fact I've visited some of these companies that they have Joomla on sites. And sometimes even some of these corporations themselves are so big that they will have multiple domains in different office buildings. So they have unit one will have his Joomla unit to will have his Joomla simply because the corporation does not facilitate two three hour breaks on Friday, there's a lot of work to be done. And so during the lunch break, they might get a little bit extra angioma and so there's enough people to pray Joomla in one office building 3040 50 people in one room, and then in the next room

3040 They can't even have a room of 500 people on those facilities. Even though the masjid might be a 15 minute drive, which is in America 1520 minutes is a reasonable distance to go for Juma, but because of the quantity of Muslims and the logistics of going in and out. And the fact that if you were to put hurdles and barriers, many of those that come from Juma would not actually drive all the way therefore Juma. So in order to do this, looking at the situation, there is no problem that we look at it in a reasonable manner and say, Hey, if you're able to form a Joomla, in which more people come and Subhanallah if you're going to put more and more barriers, the level of demand is

already so low and a person who might take the elevator down to the second floor to have a Juma and he's not going to go 20 minutes to the masjid and then come back at a late lunch break and then have problems with his boss, you are allowing him to come and pray the high school students, right. The high school students, they cannot leave the premises usually most most high schools would not allow you to leave the high school during Juma time. But if there's 4050 students, even 20 students, even 10 students, and they petition and they say hey, can we have a small gathering every Friday and in America generally speaking, you know, they're going to be receptive because of the freedom of

religion. They can allow this to happen. So maybe somebody who studied earlier filosa iStockPhoto law you're having a job or 20 minutes away from the masjid five minutes away from the Masjid. It's better for them not to pray Juma. And we say actually, please, that might have been the case when the demand was high and we're living in an Ideal Muslim land. But given the reality between no Juma and between a second, third, fourth fifth Juma, there is no question that we need to quote unquote, reform. This is what I was saying when I talked about reformation quote, unquote, I'm not talking about you know, a complete rehaul of the *ty out with a biller. I'm saying certain rulings that

make a lot of sense and Muslim majority situations do not make sense in Muslim minority situations and we have to be open minded enough to see the *ty I did not say Allah did not say have one Juma in the city, the process of did not say this, there is no unanimous consensus. So here we have a young lad, I went into all this tangent to clarify and explain here we have a young lad, he's saying that we're praying Juma. But now they have another issue. And the issue is the timing of salatu. Juma and that lunchtime comes sometimes when lunchtime finishes, it is before the vote her timing in our locality. And so maybe lunch finishes, I don't know, 1130 and Lohana might start at 1215. So

he's saying what are we going to do now that for those two, three months, when door and lunch, you know, are different timings what is to be done? So we say that when it comes to this issue, realize that even from the earliest of time there have been two opinions about the beginning timing of Joomla. And it is true that the majority of scholars the Hanafis, the sharp freeze the Maliki's, they said that Joomla time begins after the Zool after the Sun begins this decline. So when the sun reaches its zenith, then when it begins to decline, this is the time of the hood and it is a time of Juma. So for these three months Hubbs according to them, that would not be the time of July. So they

would say that this is not going to constitute Juma and that is a valid opinion. And they base this on a number of traditions of them. It is reported that the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam would pray Juma when the sun began to go down, and uh, no we remarks that Imam Shafi said Imam Shafi said the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam and it will work and Omar and Earthman and all of the Imams, the leaders after them, they pray Juma after the Zool and so the notion is that the default of the OMA has been to pray Juma after the Sun begins, it's so well, however, there is a dissenting midheaven that

humbly madhhab the Hanbury madhhab says that it is allowed to pray Juma before the Zool. Some of the scholars of the Hemani method even said you can pray Jamaat one salata door comes in very early on however, the default of the method which is the position that is the mature and the fact we're given is that you may pray slightly before this. So, while you may pray an hour before this award and not like five hours not before Fajr I mean sorry not after fajr but you may pray Juma, you know before is out by a little bit so they say Joomla and Luhur are not the same time slots they say Joomla begins a little bit before the hood and some say a lot before vor and they base this on the hadith

of jabber or the Allahu and that is reported in Sai Baba sai Muslim authentic hadith that that we will pray Juma with the Prophet salallahu it he was seldom and then we would return to our camels and take them to the pastures when the sun began to go down the Zoa began. So the fact that they pray Juma, then they go back to the pasture and they go to their camels and the sun begins Itza Well, this means Juma must have been prayed before the Zoa and celebrated and acquire narrates that we used to pray with the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam Juma and then we would go home and the walls would not have enough shadow for us to find comfort in them. So the walls so the walls of the

streets, the walls of the the passageways, right so when you're in the heat of the sun, you want to walk in the shade and sell out and acquire says when we would come back, the walls would not have even enough of a shadow that we could come under their shade, which means that it was basically at zero all the time, which means that Juma was prayed before Zawada and sadness sad are the Allahu Taala and reported that Mokona Nikita wasn't willing to let them in back there Giamatti fear it Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, we will only take our afternoon naps and eat our lunch after the Juma during the time of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam and their afternoon naps were

typically done around ZyWall time. So the siesta you know the the the common habit of the siesta which is found in many countries, especially in the Spanish speaking countries. And that's because of the Arabs mashallah the Arabs had the Tallulah and so the in the loose, they took this habit and it became something common. And to this day, by the way, the only European country that I'm aware of that has that a rule. I'm sure somebody is going to correct me in the comments, but we're the ones I have visited.

No European countries that I have visited shuts down during the daytime but Spain is one of those countries that they have this clay ruler system just like in Arabia and other places where during the day, nobody does anything and there's like two shifts here. In any case, the point is that the point of having that afternoon siesta, it was done when the sun was at its zenith and Sullivan Assad said we would only take our chi Lula and we would eat our lunch after Juma which indicates it's an indication that the Juma was done before the ZyWall and this is why even Kodama the great giant of the humbly madhhab who wrote the encyclopedia alimony he says that what insolently Jumada cobblers

Zawadi facade is this it is a tomb if the people pray Jumeirah, right before there's a wall in the last hour, the sixth hour here means the sixth Sasa This means after fajr by six hours, yeah, and if the wall is 12 o'clock, he means 11 o'clock, that's what he means right. So, the point is that before the while by an hour, if you pray Juma, the humbly madhhab allows it and it is completely permissible. So, according to this famous men have the great method and they have plenty of evidence to back them up they say that it is completely allowed to pre Joomla during the timeframe that you are talking about, by the way, just FYI very quickly, the end timing of Joomla. There's also two

opinions on this. And once again you have three methods say one thing and one method say another. So the humbard is the shaft freeze and the Hanafi say that do more time ends with the beginning of Arsal. So just like there are times ends with the beginning of also. So to do more time ends, July time ends when also begins by the way, footnote here. Interestingly enough, the Hanafis have a different answer time so even amongst the Hanafi is the Jomar time would be longer because the Hanafi say when the shadow reaches double its length is the time for us and the shadow fairies and Han bellies and Maliki say when the shadow reaches one its length then it becomes also time. So

according to the Hanafi madhhab. Technically Juma is much later can be prayed anyway than the other two, but they say the same and that is that when also time comes in Jumar time finishes. The one men have that that has another phrasing so again

Technically, these are two opinions. Right? So I say it's one opinion because the wording is the same when also time comes in. But in reality when also time comes in itself is two opinions. And the Hanafi said one thing and the other might have said another thing. So we have over here already two opinions when Joomla ends, but there is another opinion and that is the Maliki madhhab and especially the giants of the Maliki Mehtab. So Hanuman and others they explicitly say this that Juma can be prayed any time before mother rib as long as also it is also prayed. So they say that Jumar can be delayed and as long as you pray do more and then also and then Muslim time comes in, you are

fine. So the MADI keys kind of extend Juma all the way to let's say 20 minutes before mostly, or 10 minutes before motive, they say give the hook but prayer Juma and then you pray also. And then if you have to, they're saying and then you are fine here. Now. Therefore, the humbly Madhava allows an earlier Juma the Hanafi madhhab would allow a later Joomla the money keys without allow a latest Jumaane. Now question here is it allowed for this student

to pick the humbly method, even though they might themselves behind a fee or Shafi and again, I have my position on this. And that is that we do not pick and choose med hubs based upon following desires based upon shahada based upon making life something that is easy for me. But we may follow an opinion from another med hub, if there is a need to do so. And the goal is the preservation of the deen the goal is to make the religion easier not to make life easier. And in this case, our students here in the Wiley district has one of two options if he sticks with the Hanafi and SHA three and Maliki and I don't mind that per se. And that's fine. If he wants to do that. That's I

mean, I'm not saying it's wrong, per se, if he wants to be pedantic and stick to the madhhab. And the school district is not allowing them to go pray in the local machine, which is, frankly, that's not going to happen that you cannot expect the school to allow the 10th graders to leave the premises, it's really not even wise or legal to do so. So I understand the school would allow them to do that. So what you're saying essentially is there will be no drama. And I understand some people are so adamant to stick with their method. They're going to say we don't care, that's fine nose Umar. That's what Allah and His Messenger want. I only push back and say But my dear brother,

Yanni, these muda hip are human constructs. These meta have great aroma attempted to drive Allah's laws, and inshallah they're all good people. And if we find an opinion, that is better for the deen, not easier for our neffs not easier for shahada not that we want to follow a desire. And this shift allowed this and we like to this food, this chef allowed this drink without this drink does, you know we don't pick and choose because of our sensual desires. But if we were to choose a position in order to make our Eman stronger, in order to preserve the deen of a 15 year old child, then me personally I am all for this. And if I were in charge of this, you know, the school or whatnot, I

mean, meaning if they came to me and the brother is coming to me, I will say you may follow not only you may you should follow the humbly method in your school district for the time being, then when you become an adult and you're in control of your affairs, and you wish to remain Hanafy in this regard, no problem and hamdulillah stick to your madhhab where you can but in this circumstance when there is no alternative and you want to follow a position in order that your Eman increases and that you listen to the vicar of Allah and that your fellow students come together and have a hope and you feel that you're Muslim on July day. Well then of course this is a no brainer. You should take the

humbly madhhab position and pray Juma in your lunch break throughout the entire year. There is no outage or problem in this and Allah subhanho wa Taala knows best