Yasir Qadhi – EPIC Replay – Is Infinite Punishment Fair, Is Gelatin in Medicine Allowed

Yasir Qadhi
AI: Summary © The speaker announces a new epic campaign for 2021 that includes monthly donations and a discount card, as well as questions about Islam. They emphasize the importance of understanding the wisdom of Islam and the need for history of sin. The speakers also discuss the history of Islam, including the importance of worshiping the Prophet system and the use of punishment. They provide examples of controversial claims and their own experiences with it. The segment also touches on the "will" of humans to change something, and the "will" of humans to use something like gelatin. Finally, they discuss the "will" of humans to change something, including the use of gelatin and the "will" of humans to use something like gelatin.
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Salam Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh My dear beloved respected brothers and sisters, I am very happy to announce the initiation of the new epic campaign and it is called the one of the 2021. We are looking for 2021 community members to donate $20 a month, just $20 a month Subhanallah that will help in the operation of epic. And we want the families to participate. So the father, the mother, the Son, and the daughter every one $20 A month so we can all feel that we are supporting our epic. Brothers and sisters, this comes out to 66 cents a day 66 cents a day and in sha Allah, it will be a continuous charity. With that as a bonus, you will get this beautiful mug and also you will get this

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discount card, which when you present at the participating motions, you will get a certain percentage of your purchase. Please be one of the 2021.

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Bismillah Al Rahman Rahim Al hamdu Lillahi Rabbil Alameen wa salatu salam ala Sayyidina Muhammad and what are the early he was a big Marine.

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Question for today. Two questions, the first question our brother emails and says,

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I'm having trouble understanding the issue of the eternality of jahannam. How do we answer somebody who says that no matter how evil a person is, a finite amount of sins should not be punished for infinity. So the brother is asking, how can we understand that Jahannam is never ending. And this dunya is ending? And a person says How is it fair, that somebody's being punished for all of eternity, for a finite quantity of sins? And then the brother says, And on that note, is it true that Ibn Taymiyyah denied the eternality? Of jahannam? Okay, so he asks a very deep and profound question of theology. And as you know, I always like to start with theology or methodology in my

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first question. So this is a two part question. Number one, the wisdom of Jahannam, being a bit about the eternality. And number two, did Ibn Taymiyyah say that Jahannam is not eternal, that it will stop and that there will be no agenda after that. As for the first question,

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realize that the scholars of Islam of all of the fear of Islam that are mainstream Faruk, all of the classical groups of Islam, they have unanimously agreed that Jana is eternal. No one is of significance of any group denied the agenda is eternal. And this is the standard position of all the schools of Islam. As for Jahannam, then it is also the case that the majority position the mainstream position of all of the groups and even Yes, of course, the one we're most interested in Sunni Islam is that Jahannam as well is eternal. And this is the standard doctrine that we find explicitly affirmed. And many books of Arcada have many strands even as soon as I'm not sure of any

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one particular strand. And there are many evidences for this, for example, in the Quran in surah Telegin Allah says Wilma yatse la hora Sula, who for in de la Hoonah Raja Han NEMA Holly Dena V ha aboda. And by the way, FYI, three times in the Quran three times Exactly. Allah azza wa jal mentions Hadith ENFP Abba for jahannam. And for Jana is more than this for Jahannam three times, Allah says Kali Dena, fie Ha, Abba, they shall be residing in it forever. Khalid and Han harlot actually does not mean forever hard. It means long life. So that's where the name Khalid is the one who lives long. So Hollywood does not necessarily mean forever. Hollywood or Hollywood means long, but not

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forever, but the word Avada. That's where we bring the the twist and we say

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ABA means and it does mean in Arabic ABA means forever and ever and ever and ever. So three times Allah mentions Jahannam and then he says Holly Dena fee Ha, ABA And

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in another verse in non Muslim in Fei Dhabi, Johanna Holly doon, the sinners shall be in Jahannam sinners here means we should Akun because whenever ALLAH says Colleen, then he's talking about the big sin which has shook the sinners will be in Jahannam Holly dune forever and the longtime holiday and does not mean forever longtime la you tell one whom it will never subside from them Lofa Toronto won't be here Mobley soon and they shall remain in it a one mile from now home well I can kind of Homo voddie mean, and we did not do just injustice to them. They did injustice to themselves. And there are many, many evidences in the Quran. For example, call them Nadi julu home, but the Nahum

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julu, then Hira Halia do cool add up, every time their skin withers away, we will give them another skin so that they can taste the torment. So there are many, many verses that indicate eternality of jahannam. Therefore, it is pretty much standard doctrine that Johanna will also last forever, for the category of those who commit shipwreck as for sinful Muslims, then by unanimous consensus, they will not be in Johanna forever. There's no controversy over that. Now. The question was not over the eternality. The question was, how do we understand the wisdom? Right? How do we understand the wisdom because no matter how many sins a person has done, one lifetime is how long? 60 years, seven

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years, 100 years? Let's even say the Prophet Noah time, 900 years, 900 years, compared to infinity of Jahannam a Kaffir? Comes a non Muslim comes, or even a Muslim who has doubts and says, How is that fair? This is the question right? Okay, how do we respond to this question? Firstly, realize that

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the problem of trying to explain the wisdom of Allah is an impossible one.

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You're asking a human, to try to explain to you the wisdom of the creator of humans.

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You are putting a person and it's not possible. And in the end of the day, perhaps our minds cannot understand what are you going to do then? Rather than come with the assumption that I can understand every wisdom of Allah this is an arrogant assumption. Who are you to understand every wisdom of Allah Now is it wrong to ask for the wisdom? Is it wrong to ask the wisdom of a ruling yes or no? No, where's the evidence for this?

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How do we know it's okay to ask for the wisdom?

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Many the Sahaba asked yes Aluna case the angels asked Why are you creating Adam right? Why would you put Adam coldwater geography hermanos today via one afternoon Serbia, I'm gonna call this vlog, it is not haram to try to ask why it is haram to reject if you don't understand why there is a difference between the two. Right? They asked you about this, they asked you about that? And no problem asked. So the brothers question is not a problem. But before I answer I want to say even if you don't understand or I don't understand, or I cannot help you understand, that doesn't change the ruling. So we have to answer the first in this manner. Also realize that while we fully believe that

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Allah does not do any injustice in Hola, hola, yo valine will miss Oliver rock one hour Buka Viva la mia, Lil abit your Lord does not do volume. While we firmly believe this, what is loaded volume is to burden someone with more than he or she can bear or to punish someone for the sins of another person. This is normal. As for the severity of punishment, this is not one.

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As for punishing this versus that. This is not for the law giver in any law in any land in a constitution, they will give you the punishment, the same crime in this country in 50 states you might have 50 Different punishments. In this one country, you might have 50 I'm being exaggerated, but really I'm being true in some way. It is possible the same issue can have multiple punishments, even in this land depending on what state you live in.

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This is the reality of law, punishments are different. And Allah has every right to assign any punishment to any crime because he is the law giver. He is the one who decides. So one he has assigned a punishment for a crime somewhere now while doing that this is not voting. Lauren would be to punish x for the crime of why that is doing and

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love will never do that. Right? Local live will not necessarily there was one article was written was it Accra, these are two rooms Allah said he will never do. As for the severity of punishment, there is no room over here the law is clear, and the law has been told to us. So there cannot be any room for the quantity of punishment in the end of the day, hola is Malik and he can punish as long as he wants for any crime that he has told us as a crime. The second point here is that to try to understand the wisdom, let us give us some examples in our own human law. Do we judge the length of the sentence by the length of the crime? Or by the severity of the crime?

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Do we judge the length of the sentence by the length of the crime, or by the severity of the crime? severity of the crime? A murder in our times, if you use a gun will take one milli second 0.001 seconds something like this, a murder will take less than 1/100 of a second? Correct? If you use a gun?

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Should the punishment if somebody were to say, why did why why was he given a lifetime for the deed that cost point? 01? Will anybody think this is illogical, illogical, rather or excuse? Will anybody say oh, the crime only took one second? Why is he being punished for 70 years? No, you don't look at how long the crime was you look at how evil the crime was correct. This is the law everybody understands. Now, in our religion, and honestly, even without the Quran telling us this common sense tells us the biggest crime of any human being is to ignore why he has been created. What bigger crime is there, then to ignore, to not even think about to simply turn away from the highest purpose

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of existence, which is to really try to find a Why am I here? Who created me? What's the purpose of life, worship of Allah subhanho wa taala. And therefore, it is completely logical and rational, that the one who refuse to even think about Allah, the Real Mushrik and kaffir. And that's why we say the believers were sinful, this does not apply to them. The believers who believe in Allah who have an ounce of iman as the prophet system said, eventually there'll be more from Johanna no problem there. That is where the logic applies where Okay, a finite quantity of sins. Yes, okay. But the one who did not even think about sin and good he didn't think about heaven and *, life and death, he

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never thought about why he is here. Then this person, Yanni Subhanallah, what was his life for? What did he do with all of his life, as Aisha said about her great uncle intrude on ya rasool Allah ventured and did so much goodwill ALLAH forgive him and even the prophets Assam said la Ubuntu sadaqa. No, because even to Dawn never once said, Oh ALLAH forgive me. He never once even as a mushrik as a pagan as a Kafir. He never said, Oh ALLAH forgive me. Allah was never on his mind, why should then Allah turned him and forgiven him. So the one who never thinks of ALLAH turns away from Allah has no purpose other than to live like an animal, when Allah made you a human and better than

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an animal and you live your life like an animal, then this, the severity of the punishment is based upon the severity of the crime, and what greater crime is there than to turn away from Allah. And this is indicated in a hadith in Sahih, Muslim authentic hadith, the Prophet SAW, some says that Allah will say, to the one who is being punished the least in Jahannam, the least, and in which to recoup is punished, punished forever. Allah will say, oh, so and so? Would you give up all that you possessed in your life, your wealth, your family, everything? Would you give it up right now to be saved from Johanna? And the man will say, Yes, I will, and 10 times more, Allah will say, listen to

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this, but I didn't ask you for all of this in this worth Earth. I only asked that you worship Me, and don't do shit with me. And you refused for a beta. You refused, and you insisted on worshipping other than me. So here we have one of the wisdoms of the eternality of the punishment. What did Allah ask of us? All of our time, all of our wealth know, Allah said, understand who created you and believe in that entity and worship Him and if your sinful turn to Him for forgiveness, Allah is go forward Rahim. But the one who didn't even care to think and that's why again, we go back to another question I give many, many months ago, about how about non Muslims who never heard of Islam and I

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mentioned look, we say Islam is the only way to Allah subhana wa Tada there's one path, but there might be people on other paths, the path does not lead to Jannah. But Allah knows the person was sincere, not the path, and Allah might forgive the person

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Listen, not the path. So we firmly believe somebody who try to be religious in an environment where there was no Islam, who try to be sincere, righteous, pious in his own way, without knowing Islam and whatnot, he shall lead this person we hope the best for him. We don't pronounce a verdict in this dunya but they aren't gonna we hope the best for him no problem with that person. But how about the one who just did not care? Woman Araga indicati, the one who turned away from Allah's dhikr. So the severity of the punishment is due to the severity of the crime. The third thing we can say here is that another thing that some of our scholars have mentioned, the eternality of the punishment, is

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due to the fact that the crime would have been eternal if they lived eternally. In other words, Allah says in the Quran, they want to come back to this earth, right? And Allah says, Well, I do, right, if they were to come back, right, hello, Roger, what is it? Well?

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No, well, I would do that I'll do them on one, if they were to be returned, they would go back to what they were doing. This is the very key phrase in the Quran, when to do they do if Allah Allah says, if I were to bring them back, they would go back to doing what they had been doing, which means if they live forever, there should be forever. And so their punishment is for ever, as well. So these are three answers that can be given to respond to the wisdom as for the issue of Ibn Taymiyyah, denying the eternality of jahannam. This is a very, very interesting and a very detailed and a very controversial topic. And I would love to give a much longer lecture, which was a very

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advanced lecture for were to be given. And in fact, in my master's dissertation, 20 years ago, or something, there's an entire section about this issue. Because it dealt with one of the topics I was doing, in a nutshell, did event me hold this view,

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it is quite clear that he defended the existence of two views in Sunni Islam, one that says Jahannam is eternal, and one that says Jahannam is not eternal. In fact, the last book that he ever wrote, and I have it in my library, the last book that he ever wrote, before he passed away, is the refutation of the

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eternality of jahannam. Or and the title itself has has there are different versions of the title. The title is the the issue about the eternality of gender is gender eternal or not, if not a year mentions this that I asked even Taymiyah We don't claim is his main student, I asked even Taymiyah about this question. That is it true that some of the set of denied that Jahannam is going to be forever? Even Taymiyah said yes, it is true. And then he wrote his famous treaties. And it is a treaties that has been discovered, and it has been published recently. And he defends the two opinions, but he doesn't actually say what his own opinion is.

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So this has left people skeptical. Now his students ignore him. His student Abdelkarim

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has written about this in many, many places. And in fact, in one of his books, he has like 1015 pages about this topic. And in fact, I've written a paper that is published as well about the mental claims view on this issue, and you can reference it over there. But it built by him, perhaps in all of SUNY history, is the one who defends this issue of Jahannam not being permanent, most like the most detailed evidences he brings to claim that Jahannam is not eternal, that at some stage Jahannam will cease to exist. And the people in Jahannam will cease, they will not. And he interprets Holly Deena via a Buddha, as a Buddha here means long, long, long, long, long, long, long time, but not

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eternal. And his evidence is Quranic and from the self as for the Quran, Allah says lab, Athena fee Acaba and a hub means long periods of time. So Allah says they will be in it for long periods of time. And Allah also says in the Quran, that they will remain in it Madame Mata sama watchword, although Illa Masha are a book in the Rebecca Farah Ulema unit, they will be punished in Jahannam for as long as the heavens and earth remains. Now this is an expression in Arabic Madame it is semi watered out means forever right? Then also it means they will remain in Jannah forever. Then Allah says, Allah, masha or a book except if your Lord decrees something else. In Rob Baca, Lima you read,

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Allah is Able to do whatever he wants. No one

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Did Allah end the verses of Johannes punishment with this very interesting ending? They shall be in there forever. Except if Allah wills and Allah can will whatever he wants. You see this except it will kill you and bases it on this issue. And he does bring this issue as well of Allah's Rama, etc, etc. Then after 10 pages of defending and evidence and he quotes even Masood Ibn Massoud said this remarkable cutoff said this, Abu Huraira said this, there are narrations found in the classical books that eventually Jahannam will cease to exist from the Sahaba not any Hadith about the prop from the Prophet system. Then developed by him says if you were to ask me what my opinion is, I will

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say Allah knows best and he and left it at there he did not categorically state, right? Allah foully Modi decoded the Quran and Allah Akbar Allah Lima, you read. So both Ibn Taymiyyah and Abdul Karim they this is my opinion, seem to be inclined towards the claim that Jahannam is not eternal. But to say that they believed this is also not 100% accurate. They defended it. Yes. And they said this is very plausible, especially if not by him. They said this is very plausible. Now. I want to just finish off here by saying that this question there's a second question as well, that the the issue of Ibn Taymiyyah and his position has caused much controversy. Has it been Tamia typically always

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does Subhan Allah Masha Allah, Ibn Taymiyyah is the person I admired the most in all of Islamic history. And it is also true to say he generated so much controversy while he was alive. And even until our times not all controversy is bad, by the way, hint hint. So, and of course, even in TV, of course, it's very interesting, that Subhanallah I just have to say this year that his followers and I have gently criticized many of his followers, His followers, some of his followers today, they did not like the fact that they've been tagged me and might have denied the eternality of Johanna, because this is something that you don't find in any person before even Taymiyah. So some of the

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modern people of that movement, who claim to follow in Tamia deny that epitome ever said this, and they say this book is a fabrication. And they say he could never have said this and they are made massive debates within that movement, whether he said it or not. And I find this so interesting, that they have constructed an image of a bit me that even even Tamia could not live up to, if you understand what I'm talking about. If not, then don't worry about it. But the image that they have of their version of Islam is so unreal, that even their own scholar that they look up to, could not live up to their own interpretation of that image. And also I what I of course, I admire Ben to me

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immensely, even though I'm not a blind follower, and I respectfully disagree with some minor things. But one thing I love about Ibn Taymiyyah he didn't care what anybody thought. And he spoke what he believed to be the truth, even if and this is a key point, even if pretty much everybody before him said something else.

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And he seems to be one of the first people breaking away from a vast majority of scholarship. But he feels the Quran and Sunnah says something else, simply because 99.9% of the people before him said something didn't mean anything to him.

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And to me that requires intellectual bravery, whether you agree or disagree, this is independent mind set. And I hope that also contextualize this a little bit of other things without going too detailed. Whether that is true or not. A low bidder just in the after in history will be judged in this world as well. But I agree with this point. 100%. So what if 99.9% of the people before you said it doesn't make a doc with a capital hat?

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And if you look at his position on the triple product, for example, we'll talk about the one because that was a question also can window talk about that Ibn Taymiyyah was the first fapy the first item to publicly state the triple Talaq cannot be triple. And this is the footwear that even as her now is adopting and other institutions are adopting, because they realize the world is a very difficult place. If you follow this position, we'll get to the issue of triple Tada Ibn Taymiyyah was the one who said this, that now is becoming standard position, even though none of the mainstream scholars before him said that. So in any case, if you want a further reading, there is actually a book

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published by Oxford, a collection of articles you also have my article in there published in it and the title of the book is Islam and the fate of others by Muhammad Hassan Ali. And there is an entire chapter about him and to me his view about Jahannam and there's also a chapter about my view about salvation you will find it in that book. That is our first question. The second question hamdulillah simple easy, very juicy inshallah. Simple and to the point.

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Our sister, Fatima says that she has to take a medicine and that

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Medicine has gelatin in it and so she is confused is gelatin in medicinal tablets permissible standard question we always get asked it. So today inshallah we will answer this question in an academic fashion. Firstly what is gelatin? Gelatin is a type of protein it is derived from animal tissue. It is a form of collagen and it has properties that makes it useful for various foods and medicines of them is that it can be very easily made relatively tasteless and odorless and it has a protective layer so it can be made to basically

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put medicine inside it and you have the gelatin capsule outside of it right so it's odorless and tasteless and you're preserving the stuff inside of it or you can add sweet and make the gelatin itself into a sweet think of jello. Jello is exactly gelatin that's what gelatin is right? Jello is nothing but gelatin so that that material which is you know, just enough permeable and what not to enjoy to eat gummy stuff and you put some sweetener to sugar. So gelatin can put give texture to a food, it can protect the food inside of it. It's something that can be very useful in many different

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types of food and that is why we find it in so many different food products. Now, where does gelatin come from? There are four primary sources of gelatin number one, animals, number two fish number three plants and number four synthetically produced Okay, these are the four primary sources of gelatin. Now, we are talking about the first one if if gelatin comes from fish, it is halal for us. If gelatin comes from plants, it is halal. If gelatin is synthetically manufactured in a laboratory. It is halal, however, don't quote me, but like 80 to 90% of the gelatin the world comes from the first category which is animals, you do not find gelatin from plants, except with great, great,

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great difficulty, those that are strict vegans. And they will not take gelatin from animals, they will somehow when they manufacture their pills, they will go to the gelatin from plants, and therefore the price is going to be jacked up because it's more difficult etc. So that's very rare to find gelatin from fish is also very rare because I mean, come on fish bone seriously, it's not easy to do, right. So some types of gelatin comes from fish. And typically when it does, it will also have the label on there. But these are very rare as for synthetically produced gelatin, as far as I know, as far as I know, you will not find it in any food product because to produce synthetic

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gelatin is like 50 times more expensive than to just extract it from animals. So why would anybody produce it in a lab, nobody produces it in a lab and then puts it in a food product. It costs too much. So the default when you pick up a product and it says gelatin, where is it from? What's the default, animals ignore the other three categories unless it's set so if it says And I've seen this with my own eyes, gelatin in brackets plant derived if you find this on the product 100% Hello. And generally when the corporation is using plant gelatin, it will want to tell you why. Because it's advertising to the

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to the vegans. Okay, so we're now talking about gelatin that is animal derived and that is the default now, obviously, obviously, now gelatin is derived typically from the meat and the joints and sometimes even the skin of the animals, obviously, if you're going to use animals that have been slaughtered according to the laws of Islam, so the animal itself is thought hid and it is there behind what, what not. Obviously if you make gelatin from those bones, gelatin is halal. Okay. Nihari is one step away from gelatin.

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This elog Nihari Nihari is one step away from Jellison and it is 100% halal. Okay, so when you invite your next, make your next new hottie I have to come and make sure it is halal for you as well make sure you invite me for that. So obviously, when the bones are halal, what you produce from the bones is halal. But when you go to the marketplace, are they using the Bhakra from either of her? No, they're using where Which animal do they use most?

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Consider pig. Why do they use Pig the most? It's the cheapest for them. And also by the way, the most gelatin comes from those bones as well. By the way, it's two reasons. First, pigs are cheap for them easy there. And then number two, the amount of gelatin they extract from that quantity is more from pigs than from other animals. So the default when you see gelatin in the Western world, is that it is not just coming from a animal it is coming from the one animal that you don't want it to come from, which is Kinsey. Now. I know that some Muslim countries produce gelatin

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and if it's a Muslim country producing gelatin, the assumption should be the gelatin is halal. Because we do not expect any

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A Muslim country to produce from concede, they're going to be producing it from cows and whatnot. And we assume it is hella, but we are worried about now the non Muslim lands that we live in. So we say the most of the gelatin that comes from the substances that we purchase on our shops here in this part of the world, it is actually coming straight from the most nervous animal. And that is the pig. So with that, that was all introduction. Now we get to the big issue. And this is an issue that I want all of us to know it's a simple rule of fic

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does something that is nudges become far here, when it changes?

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This is the question

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or does it always remain not just if the source of something is not just Will it always be nudges? Or when it changes, it will cease to be nudges and we can now say that it is Tawhid it is now pure, the Arabic term for this the fifth key term for this is, is the Hala is the Hala and all of you without exception know the root of this word, because you say it all the time. La hawla wala Quwata illa biLlah howl means higher layer who means what state change state is the higher law to change from one house to another to change from one state to another. This is what is the higher law means it is the technical term that the books of filter use about changing substances and products. And

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this is a classical topic of Islam, you will find discussed in all the med hubs and the question is does st Hala make the nervous thought here? That's the question. Okay.

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And you will find and this is an interesting point because actually inshallah our minds will think about this in early Islam, what I call classical Islam, the majority of the med hubs and scholars said no, it does not. And it is the standard position of the Shafi school and it is the Mortimer the accepted of the humbly school and it is the well known also in the Maliki school as well, that something which is not just will always remain nameless. However, the Hanafi school mashallah Tabata Cola, they were the forward thinkers here. And they said

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is the Hala renders nudges into PA hear something that was nudges? One, it undergoes a transformation completely, it ceases to be nudges, and it becomes thought here. Okay, and,

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and I'm going to be very explicit here Subhanallah I hope this doesn't also the 10 second clips into the refutations I want to be conscious of them all the time Subhanallah

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our classical scholars with utmost respect to them were also human beings. And their fact was, and the rulings and understandings are based upon the knowledge that they knew the fact of the matter. Anybody who knows the most basic knowledge of modern chemistry, cannot possibly hold the majority position anymore.

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Why? Because everything keeps on changing the atoms in us would have been not just at one point in time, they're going to be nudged to another point in time. Change is a part of nature. And we all are recycling our atoms. And what was not just becomes tired, what was tired becomes not just what we eat, goes out comes in oil goes out not just right. And what goes out not just decomposes and fertilizers and comes out by hand again, with utmost respect. And this is not meant I will the biller to make fun of yours, it was the classical scholars of Islam, please don't read and we would not be here without the classical and yes, even the medieval scholars of Islam is not a disciple to

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be less just the fact the scholars are human beings. And they just thought that something that is not yours is going to remain niches forever. We love them we respect them, but we now have knowledge of chemistry, knowledge of basic physics knowledge that they did not have something that is nudges when it changes and decomposes and completely come something else. It is no longer the original and it is no longer and it just becomes tired. We eat that which comes from the negative becomes tired. Even physically we understand this we can take urine and in the simmer Simple distillation in the most basic laboratory extract pure water from urine. Can we not do this now? Right pure the purest

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in fact many cities of the world their drinking water is recycled water.

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You did not know this. Okay. So it's well known. Now he's going to Google which city and never go there right. Some of the largest cities in the world. Their tap water which they drink is the notice that has been recycled and everybody understands it's completely legit right? And again, this shows us My dear brothers

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and sisters is not our developer making fun of any minutes. It's knowledge you build on what the past is, is akmola. Here, we, we thank you for all that you've done. Now we take your contribution, we now benefit with what we know we move forward. That's what knowledge is, when we do so we're not trying to criticize the past, we're simply saying, we thank you for your services, we now need to move on, nobody can ever claim that is to have doesn't change, not just into toys. This is now the default position of every modern scholar of our times and every council of field across the globe. Even the shafted councils of field have changed their method, and they say is to how to render slide

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into sorry, not just into the head. Is that clear right now. And this is the position of all the scholars of modern times regardless of what the classical said, because it's common sense. And chemistry proves this. Now, we firmly believe now what's the evidence by the way, the evidence has many many evidences of them is vinegar. Vinegar is in evidence because what is vinegar many of us muslims have no clue what vinegar is. When you find out you're shocked you're like is vinegar How long is the next question? No, our Prophet system came home IDF is in Behati and he said to isha that is there anything to dip the bread in, you know condiment is anything? And she said we only

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have vinegar, and he said, Give me the vinegar, and he dipped the bread and vinegar. And he said what a great condiment Nirmal Adamu alcohol. What a great condiment is vinegar. Vinegar is a great thing to dip your bed and you know subzi type of stuff same thing you dip your butt into eaten he ate Vinegar Vinegar is completely Halal by unanimous unanimous consensus. What is vinegar? Oh Muslims, do you have any idea what vinegar is? You would know what is vinegar?

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It is Hummer that has gone through the entire fermentation process. You cannot get vinegar without an intermediary of actual Hummer. Why are Muslims who mashallah hamdulillah May Allah keep us this blissfully innocent, we should keep this blissful innocence. Why do they cork alcohol?

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Why is alcohol always blocked? We don't want any air when they don't want them. We rephrase that. They don't want any air in it. Why? Because if you uncork the alcohol, and you leave it to be what happens, it becomes vinegar. That's what vinegar is. Vinegar is fermented alcohol. Right now. The majority of madhhab say that alcohol is nurturers whether it is or not as a separate issue. I will talk about that one day but that's the position they have. And the majority of men to have all the methods say all the men have say that that vinegar is thought you understand what's just happened here is to help is to help the majority of men have all format to have say that alcohol is not just

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Hummer is nitrous and all the men have say vinegar is tall hit what just happened is to holla this shows us another example that is given us this is the issue of skin leather are processed and passed by a shoe hadith is in Abu Dhabi, and the sheep was dead it wasn't there but had died. So of course nobody's going to eat the sheep the process said why don't you Why don't you take the skin and use use leather get the leather from the dead animal and they said Yarrow salts Mater. It's a dead animal is not just and our profit system said tanning the animal purifies the skin. Tanning sorry tanning the skin so I purifies it tanning the skin purifies it now the skin if you take it filthy

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wet, what not? This is not just correct. Yeah. Now you're going to turn it which means you go through a chemical process you put it in the sun, you do it as you completely change it is a complete transformation. It was not just now it is for him. So this is the evidence in the shed era that clearly indicates is the Hala does make the nurturers into PA him. We are all understanding this point right. Okay, final big section and we are done. Now that I proven is the Hala is indeed legitimate in transforming the jossa into taharah. The question we need to ask ourselves is the following.

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Is the extraction process for gelatin a valid is the hauler or not this is the question

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we agree that is the highlight changes not just in total here agreed?

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Has gelatin undergone a sufficient is the Hello

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is this a field key question or a chemical question Who can tell me

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chemical question. So believe it or not, based on what answer a chemist will give the FDA key will have a different answer.

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You understand this point here. Once again we are seeing different specializations coming into play space. And if you Google is gelatin Halal without under

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Standing this also that I've tried to do all this also without understanding the soul, and you quote me tenant ulama, seven of them, or six of them will say gelatin is not just three or four will say gelatin is halal. And you go look up those three or four who say gelatin is halal, and they will say So based upon the understanding that is the Hala has occurred

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in gelatin.

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In fact, there is no disagreement amongst all the 10 about the soul. The disagreement is in chemistry, not in fact, believe it or not. So who should we ask for tea? Or a chemist?

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For this issue, we need the faculty chemists and mechanical dream, by the way, okay. I have a minor in Chemistry as true I do actually. So all gone, by the way, it's all completely gone.

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But who should we ask the 14 or the chemist? In this case, we need to ask the chemist,

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we need to ask the chemist has a genuine transformation occurred in the extraction process of gelatin.

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With my utmost respect to our folk Aha, once we have proven that is the Hala is good. And it is we now need to find out whether it's data has occurred. And this is not the job of our folk Aha, they will not tell us if this data has occurred in gelatin. And in the extraction process. This is the chemists job to tell us, we go to the chemists, I have been to over a dozen specialists. Even though Insha Allah, I am not a jarhead in chemistry, and I've done my own research. And I have my own position, which is the same. I have personally asked over a dozen specialists, including PhDs in chemistry and biochemistry, including people that have specialized in collagen and in proteins. And

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I have found them unanimously to tell me the exact same thing, as I concluded with my very basic knowledge of chemistry. And that is, what do you think?

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Why should you want the easy position?

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Before I answer you, let me tell you this.

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And when I tell you this, you will know my answer. You can produce gelatin in your kitchen.

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It's very, very, very simple. You can literally, Google how to produce gelatin in your kitchen. And you can take the bones, put them in water, boil them scrape a little bit, right, take the bones out, you know, make the water evaporate, do this and that. And that is basically your gelatin.

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Where do you think I'm heading with this?

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It is not a process that radically changes the structure.

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It is simply transferring that collagen from the bones of the animal into a substance that you can use for your food. So very, very, very basic surface level. It's not even fractional distillation level, if you know your chemistry and whatnot, it's very basic level. And that is why and one of my friends that I spoke with us about this and he was very passionate and he was writing a paper for a filthy journal. He has a PhD in biochemistry, but he's writing a paper about his data of gelatin, actually. And he said, Just show me

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any gelatinous structure. And I will tell you with basic microscopes that I have, whether it comes from a pig or a horse or a cow just by looking at the structure from the microscope, that's how little change has occurred, that I can just look at and I'll tell you where it's from.

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And in my own research on this issue, I think it is very clear that

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it's the highlight, of course changes in the jossa to taharah. Yes, we agree. But gelatin does not undergo a process of Mr. Hala

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gelatin does not undergo that process, you simply take the protein material from the bones of the pig, and you transfer it into that candy or into that jello or into that pill that you are using for your medicine. And therefore it retains its Natasa the verdict will be that it retains that adjustment. Okay. Therefore, and by the way, this is the position of the much more I feel called Islami and I will always try to quote your mathematical estimate because I have said many many times out of the modern councils of the world, it is the largest and earliest and most respected modern Council it meets in Makkah rather than ultimate Islamic founded it and it's one that represents

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almost all of the dominant schools of modern Islam and geographic geographies and over 100 or demand, multi touch the earth money all of these great orlimar are part of this module Filipinas Nami OYC ziani counselor and they have

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their or their their decree which is in front of me here. Issue

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On

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October 31 1998, about the issue of gelatin and it's an Arabic And I simply say that it is allowed to use gelatin if it is extracted from Halal sources that are slaughtered According to the sources of Islam. And it is not allowed to use gelatin that comes from haram sources like pig and the bones and the skin of pigs and of the fatwa This is the fatwa of much more ethical Islamic and rabbit and Maccha were pretty much all the scholars that are there they basically said gelatin does not go as to holla it doesn't count as as the Hala That having been said our sisters question was about medicine. So we say if the medicine is needed to sustain a reasonable level of life, it's not some

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beauty product and there's no alternative to conditions then this is the era

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if either of these two conditions is not met, if you're taking something for beauty it's not something that's needed from quality of life without it you're going to suffer or not suffered so it's not a matter of life and death by the way gelatin is not that no it's a matter of look you cannot breathe normally your blood pressure is going to die something of this nature where the quality of your life will be markedly different and you have a product here that has gelatin in it right and inside of it is your your medicine. If you can find a halal alternative for a price that you can afford, then you should go to that Halal alternative and I humbly say most medicines will

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have a halal alternative as far as I know. Most medicines will have Halal alternatives do the research. Okay, I even know of a case where the doctor said to him for this particular medicine you don't really need the capsule you can open the capsule put it into water than drink the water and make sure you go to the doctor don't come to me go to your doctors right again. Yeah people of Islam don't ask scholars questions that they're not qualified to answer a scholar as a human being a scholar is also by as a scholar has his own views, I cannot give you stock options I cannot give you a you know Filter View and you know you go to me for what I know and you go to the specialist for

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what they know. So if you have an alternative excellent if not ask your doctor would not okay this medicine can i Is it allowed for me to put in another substance without taking the capsule and insha Allah this would be the ideal thing if you're not able to there's no substitute and the doctor says no, this has to go in tact into your stomach whatever in this case, locally for long enough and Illa WISA and you're allowed to take this medication, if there is no alternative and with that insha Allah Allah we come to the conclusion of today's halacha inshallah tomorrow we will have our lecture was Salam alaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh

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in Mussolini now almost Lima de one meaning I will not mean it will quantity now look on it that he was slowed in pain I was born in Poland he was slob eating I was slaving

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for sheer you know

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what unfortunately no one was watching. The one downside the lino one downside being bought in was all me now was all in

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what have you Lena for gentle home one has a lot the was that good enough long I guess.

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What's going on? I don't know hula hoop

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now leave

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