Jinn and Black Magic – Part 9 – Amulets, Talismans and Magical Symbolism

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The Ustadh talks about the dark realities of magic and how to ward off such curses!.

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Now I'm just beginning actually, the session on amulets, talismans and magical symbolism. I want to begin in sha Allah by just briefly talking about fortune telling, and the associated

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things that are that people do that are similar to fortune telling.

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astrology, fortune telling, reading, the palms, all of these different things. And we want to establish the ruling for these things. First of all, in Sahih, Muslim, whoever goes to a fortune teller and asks him about something and believes him his prayer will not be accepted for 40 days.

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There is another wording of this Harris,

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which says that the one that doesn't believe him, his prayer will be accepted for 40 days. And whoever believes in what he said, Whoever goes to a fortune teller or a sorcerer and asks him about something, and believes in what he said, he is disbelieved in what was revealed to Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, and the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam said that not from us, are those people who

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believe in omens, or have omens read for them, nor those people who believe in fortune tellers, or have or do fortune telling, or have fortune telling done for them, nor those who commit magic or do magic or have magic done for them. And whoever goes to a fortune teller and believes in what he said, has disbelieved in what was revealed to Muhammad Sallallahu wasallam. So we say that the conclusion to this is that if you were to go to a fortune teller,

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or a palm reader, or a horoscope writer, or a TV, you know, sort of psychic or mystic person or whatever it may be, and you were just to watch them for entertainment, just for entertainment, your prayer would not be accepted for 40 days, and if you believed in them, you would leave Islam.

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And the prophet SAW Selim indicated that fortunetelling is a branch of magic. It is used in the same way. Now we've already discussed in the module on the jinn, the way that the jinn climb on top of each other, and they pass the news down, they pass it to the fortune teller who mixes and they mix 100 lies with it, and the fortune teller is believed for the one truth that is heard from the heavens. However, we want to emphasize

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that this ruling applies to those people who read their horoscopes, and those people who watch their horoscopes. And those people who watch TV magicians and stage magicians If you do so, for entertainment, your prayer is not accepted for 40 days. If you do so, believing in what you see, you are no longer Muslim.

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And this last height is a firm's for us that the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam attached, the same ruling to the one who goes to the magician and the one who performs the magic and the same ruling as to the one who goes to the fortune teller and the one who commits fortunetelling Li semina, mantapa yada, yada outta Hana otaku Hina Sahara also Hara

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on Sahara, the Sahara,

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that it's not from us, those people who read omens for people, as in they tell you or if this cat came here, if you did this under a ladder, if this thing happened, then this is going to happen to you know those people who have it done for them.

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know those people who commit fortune telling or they they commit the sin of fortune telling or astrology or horoscopes or whatever it is, and likewise, those people who go to them and likewise, there is not one of us who performs magic or has magic performed for them.

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We're going to show you some examples of fortunetelling. And this is going to lead us into the issue of amulets and talismans and magical symbolism. So you see here the reading of the poem, the reading of the coffee cup, the reading of the tea leaves. Again, we see people who appear in the guise of practicing Muslims and they come out dressed up as

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Practicing Muslims. And they say I can tell what's wrong with you drink the coffee cup, let me have a look in the cup, I'll tell you whether you have a gin or not, I'll tell you whether you have magic or not. Let me look at the tea leaves, let me look at your palm. Let me measure your clothing, that's very common, especially amongst the Bengali community, that you will go to a so called scholar who will ask for you to be given some clothes for you to bring some clothing that has touched you. For example, your socks, underwear vest, for the ladies, the hijab, something that has been very close to you. And is is as has, you know, sort of

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been directly in contact with you and your skin. And they will take it and they will read some words you will not understand. And then they will measure it. And if it gets longer, they will tell you it's this and if it gets shorter, they will tell you the problem is this. This is kahana. This is sorcery and fortune telling, that the people do whether it's measuring the material or whether it's reading the coffee cup, or reading the poem or reading the tea leaves, all of it is the same.

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And the worst thing we were discussing this yesterday,

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the worst thing about these people is that people go to them for information, do I have a problem? Or do I not have a problem. And I can tell you this, if you don't have a problem, when you go to them, voila, he you will have a problem by the time you leave.

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Because these are people who profit and benefit from your misery and your suffering. So when you go, and you're perfectly healthy, you know, I had a nightmare. And you know, last night and my kids woke up at night screaming, and I don't know is something wrong with me. If you didn't have something wrong with you, he'll make sure you have something wrong with you by the time you leave. He's like the mechanic when you go and say Is there anything wrong with my car, he breaks something on your car, and then says yes, you have something wrong with your car. Now, that doesn't mean that these people always lie. Sometimes they tell the truth, we had the hadith of one truth and 100 lies, they

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tell the truth, sometimes they will tell you you have a jinn with you and you do have a jinn with you. Sometimes they will tell you, you have magic and you do have magic done on you. But Likewise, if you come and you don't have a problem, these people don't let you go and say there's nothing wrong. You know, you have to extreme these guys, this, you they never let you leave without something being wrong. And on the other side, you have those guys who everything is a mental illness, and there will never be anything wrong with you. You know, somebody comes and literally flies up and down, attaches themselves to the ceiling spinning around and screaming I am the shape

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and I'm the shape on goes down. He says you have a mental issue. This person has a mental issue. They're mentally unwell, you know, you need to just give them some tablets, and they'll be fine. You know that they fly up to this up in the sky. So yeah, it's just mental, mentally, he's not well, and then you get these guys, if you're fine and healthy by the time you go to them, they will make sure that you're not healthy by the time you leave.

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And

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the way these guys work is of many different types. And we're going to see some examples. These are the

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the shells, like they have seashells or small shells and small seeds, and they throw them down onto a piece of cloth or a piece of material. And then they see where they land and they tell you something is wrong with you or something is not wrong with you or something that's going to happen to you. Likewise, using cardamom seeds using date stones. They have many, many, many variations.

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Likewise, writing on the sand. So they have a tray of sand, and they sort of end up basically with some sort of

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reading over the sand and some sort of symbols appear in the sand. Now how do these symbols appear in the sun? I can tell you know, it's not gibreel, who's writing them.

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And it's the jinn without a shadow of a doubt. So they leave it they blow on it, they twirl it around a bit and then they say look, something is written in the sand if it's written this way, it's this if it's written this way, it's this and they have many different they have this thing with ash they burn some stuff and they throw they they throw some you know water in it and whatever and how the ash lies. That's how they determine what is wrong with the person.

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And likewise the use of these candles and we saw these individual with the magician. So, we see these people who are out there misguiding individuals and from these people are those people who do istikhara for you is the Hara is something that is commonly misunderstood, is the heart is very simple. You ask Allah or Allah, you know everything I know nothing. If this is good for me, make it easy. If it's not good for me, take me away for it and give me something better and make me content with what you gave me.

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That's the summary of the Avista. You didn't say Oh Allah give me a dream of the Federal,

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or law, give me a sign a symbol, we become like Christians in this regard that you do is taharah. And you're literally waiting to see a message written in the soil outside of your house in the garden, or you're waiting to see a message on your car window that says do it, don't do it. Or you're waiting for a dream in which the Prophet sighs lm is gonna come and tell you what to do. This is not it's the harder, it's the harder is that you say Oh Allah, you know, I don't you decree I don't. If it's good for me make it easy. If it's not good for me, take it away, and give me something better in place. It may be that Allah gives you a sign. It may be that Allah gives you a

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dream, it may be that Allah simply makes it difficult for you to fulfill that particular aim that you were aiming for. It may be that Allah shows you something better. It may be that Allah changes your feeling. And it may be that nothing happens and you carry on. Because in his taharah, you're only doing is the harder because you have something in your mind you want to do. Generally, generally, you're not like 5050, it does happen sometimes. But a lot of the time you have in your mind, I want to marry this woman.

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But now I want a lot to guide me if it's good for me make it easy. If it's not good for me, take me away from it.

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Most of the time, when you make us the harder you have in your mind, something you want to do. People say Well, I didn't get a sign for instacart. Again, I didn't get a dream I created staccato after federal. I went to sleep after federal I didn't get a dream. This has nothing to do with the sooner is the harder it is you pray you istikhara. And then Allah subhanaw taala You carry on doing what you're going to do, you carry on with your kids, with your introduction to marriage, you speak to the girls speak to the family, and you carry on the family turn around and say I will never accept you as a son in law. Get out of my house handler. This is your istikhara Allah subhanaw taala

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took you and showed you something else.

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It doesn't mean that you have to just walk out and go, you may decide No, I think it's worth me going back. You may pray istikhara and go back. And again, it doesn't become easy for you. Or you are unsure what to do you pray istikhara and then Allah subhanaw taala opens your heart to something that and you think yeah, this is what I should be doing. And you go ahead and do it. And whatever happens, it will be good for you. It doesn't mean that because you have in your mind, what certain thing is successful. If I marry this woman, that for me is what I want. It may be that our Lord knows that she's not good for you. Even though she's a good person. She may not be good for you and

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she may not be good for you in your deen. So Allah may give you something better but because Allah says that the mankind is created in

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is hasty. That man is hasty. You know, Subhana Allah, you have this idea that Oh, I didn't get to marry her. You can also panel or something went wrong. I have I have, perhaps Allah Subhana Allah is taking you to something better. Don't be hasty when it comes to these issues. But the reason I mentioned is the harder is because a lot of people have the habit of getting istikhara done for them. And this was not known in the sun, nor was it known by the companions, asking for a person's advice, lab rats, maybe that very person will pray it's the horror, before giving you the advice. Maybe they don't know what advice to give you in the thing you say, you know, brother Tim, I don't

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know. Should I marry this sister? Oh, should I not marry this system? And I say for Pamela you know, I don't know what to tell him. So I'll praise the hora. I'm not praying is harder for him. I'm praying is the harder for what advice I should give him. Or like, if it's good for me to give him this advice, make it easy. And then I go and say brother, my advice is that you should marry her. And then I know that I'm confident in that. But as for me, making it harder and seeing all like if it's good for him to marry, then I haven't found any evidence for this in the book of Allah swindler. However, this in itself would not be as bad as what these guys do. They use the word is

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the harder and we said LS ma that way your own hacker names don't change what things really are.

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They call it istikhara. What they do is Ghana, they do fortune telling and they do sorcery, they call upon the jinn and they send the jinn to the woman they send the gym to the man the gym possess them, they afflict them, they cause a problem for them. And then based on this he says yes your Easter holidays your marriage will be successful, because your marriage will not be successful. They use the jinn and they use sorcery and fortune tanning.

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So this is something to be aware of. We have had people who have been possessed because of istikhara that was done for them by Maulana in Pakistan

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and more

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us up in Pakistan. So Han Allah managed to send his rule SubhanAllah. We had a we had a brother. He said he had the share. He visited us from Pakistan. I said, Marshall, I came all the way from Pakistan to visit you. He said, No, he's still there. We said, What do you mean, he came, he's been in our house, and he's seen our house, and he's actually been around our house. He's fought the gin in our house, he removed the gin. I'm thinking this guy flew on a plane and did Rokia. They said, No, he sent his soul. He took his room out of his body. And he sent his room from Pakistan to come and do and remove the gin from our house.

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And this is a person who advertises himself as doing istikhara for marriage. That's what he does. I do staccato for you. And I tell you what your marriage is going to work out or it's not going to work out, when in reality, he sent a DJ into the house, and this sister was possessed by that gin, because of the istikhara that the family did to find out whether her marriage would be successful or not successful. So this is a very serious issue. Now this leads us nicely into the issue of astrology and stargazing. And all of the magic that you see has a strong link to astrology and stargazing. Don't think that the two are separate, the two are one and the same, they benefit from

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each other.

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They are based upon each other. And we know this from the statement of apnea does rhodiola one humor it may at best set a group of people yet to buena Abba jet, a right object and we're gonna talk about object the object alphabet the writing code, young Verona syndrome.

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So hold on we have two things now you have to buena Abhijit young, Verona Finnegan, they write down object, they write down letters like cold letters in cold object How was Caleb they write this alphabet down in code. And then they look into the stars. I do not think that these people have anything in the hereafter.

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It may at best new the reality of how magic works.

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Because most magicians, they use astrology and the Zodiac as an integral part of the magic that they do. Let's have a look at this in more detail.

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They essentially divide people into one of four categories. Okay. And these four categories are based upon the signs of the zodiac. And of course, these have no meaning. And this is COVID. And this is Kevin. It's falsehood and battle. And it's a it's a lie. It's not true. But this is how they work. This is mentally how the magician produces the amulet. They divide people into four categories, according to the sign of the zodiac, but not by birth. We're going to talk about this not by birth, they don't do it by birthday or your Gemini because you were born in June or July or whatever your this because you were born they do it by a calculation. When they get your zodiac

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sign. They divide you into fire, water, air and earth,

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fire water, air and earth. And based upon what they calculate, they would then tailor the magic to the element that you are considered to be closest to.

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So if you are calculated as being from the earth element, they will bury your magic in the ground. And if you are calculated as being from the air element, they would tie it to a bird or to a tree. If they calculate you as being a fire person, they would command you to burn or Command incense to be burned and papers to be burned. And if they calculated you to be a water person, they would put your magic in the sewer, in the toilet, in the drain in the sea in the river in order for it to activate. Now all of this is false hood. However, it is false hood with a purpose. It's not random. It's done with a clear purpose. And in the extent that the magic is the most effective and the jinn

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are the most obedient to the magician when they fulfill these conditions of dividing people into an earth element and then producing magic that is tailored to the element that you are

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Okay, now we're going to see this

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in a lot more detail.

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So let me add bass rhodiola mine who said for calming yuck to buena Abba Jad Williams, una fino Jerome, ma al amin fairly vatika. They were angula him in color, a people who they write objet, and they look at the stars, and I do not think they have in this action of there's anything in the hereafter.

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Here you will see the object alphabet.

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And this is widely available online. And it's available in all books or most books of magic. A lot of magicians use it. And we found it even being used by non Muslim magicians, we went to Cornwell Museum of magic to open manuscripts of magic, we're talking about Cornish muse, Cornish magicians, ancient British magicians, we're talking about a Dutch magicians, all of them using object

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because this belief is one religion. And they all have the same methodology, the same way of calling upon the shaytaan. They might tweak it to be old English letters, they might have some different hieroglyphics for it. But it's the same concept.

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Here we see the Hamza and the lF has a value of one.

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The bar has a value of two, the gene a value of three. If we go down further, towards the end, we have a thought with a value of 500. We have an iron with a value of 70, and so on and so forth.

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And what they would do is something along the lines of the following,

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they would ask you for your mother's name.

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And they asked you for your mother's name for a reason.

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They asked you for your mother's name. First of all disobeying the command of Allah azza wa jal to call them by their father's names.

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everything they do is just designed to disgrace the religion and attack the religion Allah commands for people to be called by their father's names, but in magic, they call you by your mother's name. And also some of the scholars said, it is a point of making an accusation against the person's lineage. It is always saying we don't know who you don't know who your father is. So it's making an accusation against a person's lineage. And it's disobeying the command to call them by their father's names. They take your mother's name, they write out your name, and your mother's name, with the addition of the word been by noon, they don't write Ebon, Hamza by noon, and they don't write

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bent.

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For feminine, they only write bin which is 52. So they add 52 to your name and your mother's name. So for example, if your name was Ahmed, they will take the app which is one, they would take the hat, which is eight, they would take the meme, which is 14, and they would take the doll

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was the Dell one, which is four.

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Then they will take your mother's name Fatima. So they will take the fat which is 80, they would take the Hamza, which is one, the lF serves the same, then they will take the mean which is 40, the TA which is nine, and then they will take the hat and the terminal both are the same, which is five, add them all together. They would add all of those up together. And then on top of that they would add 52 for the word been

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whether you're male or female, they don't follow Arabic grammar. Whether you're male or female, they then come up with a number. So let's do this one quickly. We have got my phone

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52 and 52 is 104 and 132 30.

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Okay, let's do it. No, do we do it properly? Because I want you to understand how this works. This will help you to understand the tire with the people use. Let's see if it's gonna let me do it.

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Let me join here.

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You got it. Okay. Write this down. One

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and eight

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and 14.

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And four

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got it.

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And 52

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and

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80

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and one,

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and nine,

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and 40 and five

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240. Okay, so they end up with a large number 240, what they do is continuously divide that number by 12 until they reach a number between one and 12.

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So 240 divided by 12 gives us 20, that's too high, divided by 12. Again, that gives us 1.6. Now anything point six and above, they round upwards, anything point five and below, they round downwards to ask why this is just how they do it, they don't round up at point five, they round up a

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point 6.5 they round downwards. So this we're left with the number two,

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then they go back to the signs of the zodiac, and they start counting

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around until they come to the sign that represents the person that they are, we're just going to go forward to find one

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critical packet.

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So we go over to the

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signs of the zodiac. And then they begin counting. And so they come to number two, which we'll say is water.

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So now they've calculated that this person is a water person, this person's nature is water. And so therefore, they would make their magic. And then they would use that magic and tie it up, seal it up and put it into something some form of water either part of disgracing the Quran. So put it inside of the Quran and put the most half in the sewer in the toilet, or two unit, for example, put an animal that's been sacrificed to other than Allah and put it inside of the animal and bury the animal inside of a river or inside of the seabed. Or, for example, to take some of the person's blood, some of the person's hair, some of the person's nails, wrap it all up in a package, drop it

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in the sea, because this is a water person, and we showed you what they do with the different kinds of magic over the days. So this code of agita was is used quite frequently by the magician's. However, they also have other variations. And I'll just show you one more variation, which is exactly the same thing.

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And it's called a column or rowhani. And it's exactly the same thing, exactly the same system, the same numerical code, however, they have, like a hieroglyphic for each one. If you remember back to ancient Egypt, we told you about the history of magic in ancient Egypt, and said that ancient Egyptian magic was done with hieroglyphics and symbols. Likewise, Persian magic was done with symbolism, and they integrate the symbolism into the magic that they do.

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Okay, now we're going to begin to show you some of the things that you find within the tower with so here we have a tower with and this tower we have is called cotton sorachi. I see. It's called the seal of Surya See,

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this is supposed to be Surya See, you go to a so called holy man, pious man. And this pious man says I will give you an amulet to tie around your neck. And this amulet is Surah. Yaseen.

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And they give you this.

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So off we go, and we start decoding these different boxes

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around here. So let's have a go. Let's just do one.

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Let's do this.

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This box

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We're

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going to this box. Let me see if I can, I don't think I can highlight it with anything. This one here.

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Okay, so the first thing we have is one that looks a little bit like an Elif.

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And that is, that is actually an Elif.

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Then we have a one that kind of looks like a seven with a bit of a squiggle on it.

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So that looks like this one here, which is allow a six or a six or a a while, but it could also be this one a seen

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and you'll see in a moment. Okay, so we have our

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then we have another one that looks

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quite similar. So let's say that's another Wow. Then we have one that looks like a dot

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which may or may not be intended the dot may just be

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and then we have this one that looks like a line with a sort of a pyramid like a like a triangle on top

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which looks like this one up ah

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okay. Now, if we continued going on, with this surah we would find that it is indeed Soraya seen.

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It is indeed Soraya see

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it surah Yaseen all the way around the top, and all the way around the bottom. And in fact, I might be able even

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to show you the ayah that was written.

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These, this is one of the ayat that is written here. It's the 72nd, I will just give you more context on that.

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This ayah here.

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And we have teamed for them. So some of them they ride and some of them they eat. This is written here in this code, if you keep on going and going and going, eventually you get there. Some of the letters are written in bad handwriting, and you realize that's actually not a part, it's actually something else. And you go through it, and you get from in her ruku, boom, woman Haiku.

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However, the, the problem is, or the issue here is that this whole top part is the idea. And this whole bottom part is the idea.

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And this band along the middle is something completely different. This band along the middle is a repetition of the names of the Sheltie

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and you can decode them, will that give you these as part of the notes, you can actually take some time because we're a bit short on time to actually go through them and decode them, but you'll find that it's kind of nonsensical. Do you remember exactly what it was?

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In one of the

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No, it's bachata, cha cha cha cha two, something like that. It's like it's a very, very strange word that doesn't make any sense in the middle of the ayah. Now the person who has this what do they think they think they're wearing Surya see.

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I'm going to talk about the ruling of wearing towers in a moment but they think that they are wearing suit I assume. They think that they are doing something to get near to Allah. And they have the names of shaytaan written all the way along their tower with breaking up the knee the statement of the last panel what

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as you get better at these towers, you realize that almost all of them are written in this chord in one form or another or variations of it. However, a lot of it will be nonsensical. Now as you get you open more of them, you start to realize that the names of the shelf when you start to recognize some of the names of the shell team within them. Yeah, but do

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you start to recognize the names of the shell team that are contained within the the tower with however

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Many times it just contains things that are nonsensical. They don't make any sense to us. However, they do make sense to the magician. And when you look at books of magic that are confiscated from people, you will find that each of these letters has a purpose and a reason. But let's establish something. But anything that you have that isn't the Quran cannot be permissible. Let's I mean, we'll talk about the Quran in a moment. But let's just establish that whatever you have, that isn't the Quran, you can be sure that this is something that is wrong. Certain and there's no disagreement in this regard.

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There is some disagreement over the Quran, other than the core and there is no disagreement. So if you have a takeaway that is written in code that is written with letters, random words, that is written with evil things in it, then you can be certain that this is not something that is there to help you. This is something that is there to harm you. Now, we're going to see a simple example. This

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is one of the most common that you will see. And this is known as allmost Ls al ghazali. And this is a fabricated story about an Imam Al ghazali Rahim Allah Allah, that Allah Muhammad Ali went to India, and he found that the Hindus had a law's Greatest Name, Mashallah

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the Muslims didn't know LA's Greatest Name, but the Hindus knew our last Greatest Name.

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And the mammal Khazali brought a law's Greatest Name back. And this is it.

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You will see that this is written in agita was, this is written in the pre in the first code that we had the one that we had, back here.

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This one here, object How was hottie Kelvin? This one.

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And you can see what it is.

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This is the basis and the foundation of every form of self in magic. Now what do we mean by self, we mean what we call the the negative again, all magic is negative. But we're talking about magic that is done to harm and magic that is done to help. All of it is evil. All of it is bad. But there is a magician who aims to help you in a magician who aims to harm you and all of them harm you. The magic that is done to harm all of it is based around this

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dismissal of philosophy, and you will see it in most of the towers.

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Now one thing you will notice is that if you translate the numbers 294753618, you come up with Baba

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zahedi. One three of the well known names of the Sheltie

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these names are well well known. And in fact, if you were to read the books of Sahar from the non Muslims, and the Muslims, they recognize that these are the names of three of the devils whose power is incredibly incredible. And they have so much power to do this. And they have no power when Mohammed Arina bohemian had in a lab, they have no power to harm anyone except by the permission of Allah. But this is what they do. They tell you that it's a loss, Greatest Name. And instead you have three of the names of the Sheltie. These names are so significant, that the magicians who blow on the knots blow these names over the knots. So they take the knots, they tie a knot, they say Baba

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is the hedge.

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And that is how they do their magic, calling upon the shape and it's nothing. It's nothing complicated. It's not rocket science, you find the name of a shape and you write the name of the shape and you call upon the shape on you worship the shape on you disbelieve in our man.

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And then you have it magic. But one thing I want you to notice is then adding up these numbers.

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If you add up these numbers in all directions, they add up to 15

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in all directions, and that is because numbers are very significant to magicians.

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They have an each number in each number of pins in each number of needles in each number of knots a purpose. So for this one, they are going to use either seven or 15

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either seven or 15. When they use babat they're going to use either seven or 15. So you will see a rope or a tower with with seven knots in it or a string with seven

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Not Senate or an egg with seven pins in it or a knife with seven,

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seven nails associated with it or tied to it or a string with seven pins tied around it, or 15

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seven or 15.

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And sometimes nine,

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nine because the number is

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nine,

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perhaps the number is nine and 15 nine,

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the number here

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you can see that nine, nine squares, nine boxes, and the total of the letters is 50.

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This looks completely innocent. And I can tell you if you carried something like this around in your pocket, you wouldn't last very long before you became extremely, extremely ill. And we handle these when we destroy them for people and they leave you feeling extremely ill you handle the paper. You look at it for a while you get rid of it. And honestly for you know, a good few hours, you will feel extremely ill as though you've been poisoned.

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These are not nice things they come with the shape on and they attach the shape on to them. So this one is associated with nine and 15 as far as I recall, nine and 15 nine because there are nine boxes and 15 not seven, nine because there are nine boxes and 15 because the numbers are there.