The Deen Show – Mafia Boss Tells Andrew Tate he’ll go to HELL without Jesus so we invited Michael Franzese to Islam

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AI: Summary © The importance of Islam is highlighted, with similarities with Islam and the confusion surrounding religion. Pr practicing the church's values and not just the actions of individuals is crucial to avoiding negative comments and mistake. The trinity and primary motives behind his teachings are also emphasized, along with the need for further research and evidence in proving the truth of Islam. The speakers provide advice on how to handle misperceptions and avoiding false accusations, as well as providing insight into the importance of showing faith in God and avoiding false accusations.
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Have you heard of a Michael Francine?

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Not a man who pledged himself to the

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mafia. Is there a reason you were drawn

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more to Islam than Christianity?

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I don't think the problem is Islam versus

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Christian. If you don't believe Jesus is the

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son of God That's right. Then you don't

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get to heaven. Like, look, you accept Jesus,

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you're going to * pretty much. Right? Absolutely.

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They believe he was a messenger. Jesus is

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God, but he's the son of God. So

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Jesus is the son of himself. If Jesus

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is the only way up to heaven John

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316.

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I so loved the world. Muslims believe in

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Jesus. I and the father are 1. For

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Abraham was I am. Ex on this. Hey,

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man. What are you talking about? Okay. Alright.

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Let's ask For Abraham was I am. Let

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Everything. I was reading everything. He said his

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wife sent them all the books. He said

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he had everything to do with Islam. You're

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So does Islam. I highly doubt that if

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he was not sure whether Muslims believe Jesus

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came back or not. And you know what

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I developed,

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Andrew? I developed a healthy fear of *.

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And prophet Mohammed said that that person will

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be in hellfire.

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Life of a traveler.

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Experiences from different lands. In our religion Conversations

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with a brother. We love all the prophets.

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The first command was called to the way

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of your lord with wisdom. Giving us stories

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that inspire you. In India. In India. That's

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motivation when you're feeling low.

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Speak your heart and let the world know.

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Bro, this is the Dean show.

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Discussions are what's really real.

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Look at our La hills,

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seeing transitions from another life.

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Like, look at our La guides,

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from the streets to Islam,

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reformed,

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letting old habits go,

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inspiration from around the globe.

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Bro, this is the Dean show.

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Welcome to the Dean show. I'm your host.

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Exciting. When I say exciting, I mean exciting

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episode for you. I got my next guest

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all the way from the UK,

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you know, from Muslim lantern,

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Muhammad Ali. How are you brother? Assalamu alaikum.

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Assalamu

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alaykum.

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How are you doing, my name? Alhamdulillah. Alhamdulillah.

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Glad to be here. May Allah bless you

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all for inviting me. And as I was

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just saying, Yani, I appreciate the work that

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you do. May Allah bless you. And staying

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out of just, like,

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you know, things which are not beneficial focusing

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on bringing benefit to the Ummah. May Allah

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bless the project that you guys are working

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on. This guy right here, this guy is

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trying to build a dawah center in our

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country. I'm not talking here right now. You're

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a seller. You're trying to build a Dawa

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Center here. Islam is violating my nation, my

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Assalamu alaikum, brothers and sisters. This is exactly

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why we need the Deen Center because we

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have over 300,000,000

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Americans who know nothing about Islam, like this

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guy. You wanna have a talk? Yeah. These

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guys tryna build a dawah center in our

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country. 1 Sura 9 is the most violent

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chapter of the Quran. The Deen center will

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be a source of light. A mega dawah

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center, an educational center,

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helping our brothers and sisters in humanity

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truly understand

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Islam and Muslims. And brothers and sisters, remember

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the great rewards of just guiding

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1 person in humanity to the truth is

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better than everything in this dunya. So get

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in on all the rewards and blessings. Click

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the link below. Donate right now. May god

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almighty Allah reward all of you.

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I was just talking about it, It looks

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like a fantastic project. It's actually a sign,

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I think for us as Muslims, inshallah, to

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look up to in the UK. Try to

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do something as big as this, as beneficial

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as it, inshaAllah. May Allah bless you for

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inviting me. Amen. I'm happy to be here.

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Thank you, brother. I appreciate that. I really

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hope that we can have you when we

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open up Insha'Allah. Have you come out to

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the, Dean Center. Insha'Allah.

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Insha'Allah. That would be fantastic, Insha'Allah.

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May Allah

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ease our way coming back, you know, without

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any issues on the way, InshaAllah.

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So I wanted to, jump into this, topic

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here. This is, something that, you love talking

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about. I love talking about the things we're

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gonna be touching upon.

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Have you heard of a Michael

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Francine?

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Not a man who pledged himself to the

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mafia, devising a scheme that brought the family

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100 of 1,000,000 of dollars, but then came

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a woman and a moment that made him

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walk away. The name I have heard the

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name, but I'm not sure who this person

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is. Have you heard of Al Capone?

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Yeah. I heard the name as well, but

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I don't know who this is. John Gotti?

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No. No. John Gotti. No idea. These were

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some of the big gangsters.

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Okay. Al Capone was Yes. Because you're in

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Chicago now.

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Right? So you have Al Capone

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who actually died in prison. Oh, okay. Yep.

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And then you had John Gotti. Okay. He

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died in prison.

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You see where this is going, right? You're

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the dead

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because this is kind of Where do you

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start? Where do you end up? This was

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a kind of a lifestyle that I used

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to kind of

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aspire to achieve Great Heights in and it

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was a lifestyle that I idolized

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some people in and, you know, you watched

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a lot of The Good Fellas and Godfather.

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You heard of those movies? Yeah. Yeah. These

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ones, yeah. The the gangster movies. Gangster movies.

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So Michael Francine,

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he's a former mob boss. He was from

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one of the the, top,

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families. Mhmm. Called one of the family he

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was part was the Colombo family. Okay.

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So he ended up, his father was an

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underboss,

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and then he followed in his father's footsteps

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Mhmm. And he made a lot of money

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because he he was running a scheme Mhmm.

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Taking the he was they were opening up

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gas stations and then taking the tax

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money from that. They were charging the tax

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and taking the the tax money from there

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and keeping it. And then and later it

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unfolded. They got caught and whatnot.

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But

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he turned his life around. Okay. Subhanallah. He

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turned it towards Jesus. Okay.

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And he sat down with our brother recently

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Subhanallah. Andrew Tate. Really? Yeah. That's interesting, okay.

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Now they had a nice conversation. Okay.

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I thought we were just talking about the

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past and passed away.

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Yeah.

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So

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so, we're gonna go through this sit down

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that they had. Okay. That's interesting. And we'll

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go ahead,

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and get some of your feedback

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and discuss some of these points Inshallah. So

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we can help him understand

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some of the points that were mentioned because

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it's connected some similarities with Islam

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and also,

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Andrew Tate Inshallah.

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Some of the things that, he he discussed.

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We can help him out also. He's new

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to Islam. Mhmm. So this will be very

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educational, to say the least. Inshallah. And then

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I was a Christian

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for a while, but I think I reverted

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to that because I was raised Christian. So

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I was like, I believe in God again,

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so I'm a Christian.

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And then I read the Bible and then

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I read the Quran

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and then I found infinity with Islam. And

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it's very interesting conversation because in a lot

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of ways, they're a lot more similar than

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people realize. They're actually very similar. But I

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don't feel qualified to discuss

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Islam like that because it's a very complicated

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religion, and I'm a revert. I'm only 2

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years in, and I'm learning. Alright. So they're

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easing into the conversation here

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and, they'll get a little bit deeper. Mhmm.

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So

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infinity, this is my first question to you.

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He said, Andrew Tate is talking about

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he had an infinity towards Islam.

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Now you have spoken over the

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years to many Christians, and many of them

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actually accepted Islam. Right?

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What have you seen in your experience draws

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people toward this infinity

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that people have towards Islam? What would you

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say it is?

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So the first thing that I noticed when

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you told me about the background of this

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person that he's talking with is that you

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can see a change in the west Mhmm.

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Was religion.

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Because they've they've tried the secular kind of

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mentality, tried the liberal mentality, they've seen its

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influences on their children. They've seen its influences

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on the community and society. It's not benefiting

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the society, the families anymore. So you've see

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this

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huge group of people that are returning and

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coming back to what they would call conservatism

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or Christianity, whatever term you that you wanna

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label.

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And, yeah, interestingly enough here,

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they talk about the things that attracts people

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towards Islam. I the thing that I see

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the most, to be fair, to be honest,

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the most

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the biggest reason I would see,

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Christians turning into Islam is the confusion.

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They go to the church. They go to

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the priest. They go to the Arab whatever

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they go to. They ask questions, basic questions.

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They find that the teachings of that religion

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is problematic. The teachings of that religion is

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confusing, is contradictory most of the time. For

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instance, that they would say Jesus is God,

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but he's praying to God. Jesus is God,

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but he didn't know everything.

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Jesus is God, but, he died.

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You know, Jesus is God, but he never

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said he was God. Like all of these

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things which are like very simple. Okay. There's

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something called a trinity. Why is that trinity?

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You go to every Christian, they will tell

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you something else. You go to every priest,

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they will tell you something different. That's why

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you see in the church history itself, the

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church fathers were were not disagreeing with each

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other on what the trinity is. You had

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list long list of Pharisees. Partialism

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model

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long list because they themselves were confused about

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what the trinity was. And you had even

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Augustine and his writings. It's just like he

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said, it's a mystery. You know, that's We

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end up,

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submitting to the fact that this is a

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mystery. And then you go to the next

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step. Okay. There's not even trinity in the

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Bible. So why do we deal with the

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mystery?

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That not the word trinity, because a lot

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of Christians are the whole word. It's not

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about the word. The concept is itself is

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not there. So, what ends up happening is

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that these people go to the church, priest,

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whatever it is, they end up telling them

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it's a mystery.

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That's one thing. The other thing is that

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you see the religion of Christianity has become,

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nonexistent. From what sense? Religion of Christianity today

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has become liberalism. Liberalism has become Christianity. Christianity

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has become liberalism. They've merged in the west.

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They've became one ideology. The truth is now

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a lot of the people that would call

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themselves Christians, they're actually liberal. They're not Christians.

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I don't have the conversations before with many

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of these Christians. Like, they as like you

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see with the with the LGBT or all

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all of these, basically, ideologies and things to

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do that are against their religion

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and and

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insulting, which they would call blasphemy. Right? And

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blasphemy was punishable by death if you look

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at the Roman Empire when it's adopted Christianity.

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What it did to anyone who was having

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blasphemous

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or,

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heretic beliefs,

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they were absolutely killed. Like they, they were

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no,

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maybe maybe This is in the Bible. This

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is in Christianity? No. This is in history,

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church history. Church history. Absolutely. Church history. No

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one would deny this. The the the group

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the groups that were heretic

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were killed by the,

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the the emperors at the time or by

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authorities because they were heretic and doing heretic

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beliefs. Right?

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But today,

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the people will insult Jesus, peace be upon

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him. And then you only hear the Muslim

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speaking. Because we do speak he is our

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prophet and messenger,

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and we love him, true love,

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which means that you will behave and act

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based on it. Right? Not just speech. Right?

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Because anyone can say I love you. I

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love this. This is what we hear Christians

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saying all the time. Not about Jesus, but

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even about us. Yeah. We love you. You

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know, we love you. But then they're not

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gonna let you speak. They're gonna insult you

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and your family. They will attack you in

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the streets. They will insult you, but, oh,

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we love you. And we'll give you the

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other cheek. It's just words. But when you

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look at the actions, it's not there. So

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the most thing that I've seen, like bringing

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people towards Islam is these two things. Right?

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Muslims are firm. They're actually practicing the most

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practicing religion in the world, and they're actually

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firm. It's because I hear this term, specific

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term all the time.

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They don't practice what they preach. If I

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had a penny for each time a Christian

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told me this, probably be rich by now,

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you know. But who doesn't practice? The, The

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people in the church or the people who

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are practicing. They they say that not even

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they don't just say the They don't practice

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what they preach. Yeah. They say the theocracy.

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Exactly. They say the people in the church,

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this is very, very common. These words, as

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I said, if you wanna put them in,

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like, a penny for each time, a Christian

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told me this, I'll be rich.

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They say, we go to this circle,

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bible circles, and they don't practice what they

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preach.

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What they teach us is not what they're

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doing in reality. So you will see that

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they don't practice what they preach. They've become

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liberal,

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and

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the creeds itself and the teachings are confusing.

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They're not supportive, and they end up telling

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you it's a mystery. My experience, I would

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say that's the most

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is the overwhelming majority of why people leave

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Christianity and turn into something else, whether it

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is Islam or,

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another reason. Is there anything from what you

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just saw before we go on to the

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next Mhmm. That stood out that you wanna

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comment on? Yeah. The,

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what Andrew Tate said, which is interesting is

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that waiting for an individual

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and not behaving.

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It's not just the Christians doing that. You've

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got other groups. You've got even a group

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that is a very minority group in Islam.

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A lot of people hear this term Sunni

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Shia, they hear these terms a lot. But

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the reality is that Shia is less than

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2% of Muslims. They're minority,

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and they're not representative of of the beliefs

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of the majority.

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But you will find many of these Shia

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waiting for someone called them Mahdi. Mhmm. They're

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not doing anything. Right? They're just living in

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love the way they want to live, and

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he's gonna come back. Or he's already here,

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but he's gonna come out sometime.

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So it's the same thing, the idea of

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waiting. You have a lot of Jew Jews

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as well waiting. Right? For whom they would

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call the actual messiah. So this idea of

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waiting,

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surprisingly, it's not just with with you know,

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you find it with Christians, you find it

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with many groups.

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And and it's it's a profound point that

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he's making is that

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you you you don't live your life waiting

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for something. Oh, this is gonna happen. You

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live your life doing the responsibilities that you

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Like many people, they do all of these,

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you know,

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incorrect problematic calculations of when the day of

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judgment is gonna come. Oh, the day of

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judgement is like, yeah. 2 +2 in the

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Quran. This is always gonna come in the

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year. I mean, how many times they were

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wrong?

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And you come out,

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imagine how many times they were incorrect. The

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thing is these people do this and they

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focus Allah on the day of judgement and

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they neglect the hadith of the prophet when

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the man came to him. And the prophet

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told him, how did you prepare for it?

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Like right now, what are you doing? What

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did you prepare for the day of judgment?

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Yes. When he when he asked him Exactly.

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So the man asked him is when is

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the day of judgment? And then the prophet

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was still telling him is this time or

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that time or we don't know, which is

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the answer. He said to him, what what

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are you doing in preparation for it? So

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in this case, what what are you doing

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in preparation for Jesus coming back? What are

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you doing for preparation for whoever is coming

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back? Yeah. Like, what behaviors or, what actions

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are you and your community doing

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to, enhance your life, to prepare for that,

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to make the world better and more beneficial.

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And that's why you see Muslims and not

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we're not waiting for anyone. Yes. We believe

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Jesus is coming back because he was asking

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him this question and there's a little bit

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of, maybe hesitation. No. Muslims believe in the

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second let's be explicitly clear. Muslims believe in

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the second coming of Jesus.

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And and this is,

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explicitly mentioned that he's going to come back

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prophet

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that Jesus the son of Mary will descend

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upon you, because we believe he was risen

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up, we don't believe he died and then

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he's going to descend upon us

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and and then He's gonna kill the pig,

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the swine. He's gonna break the cross. So

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a lot of people say why is He

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coming back? We say He's coming back first

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to correct the misbeliefs or miss,

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confusions that happened, that people started attributing divinity

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to him. He's gonna come and say, look.

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Here I am. I'm not divine. I'm not

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God. I'm not the son of God. And

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there's your cross, the cross that you used,

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I'm gonna break

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it because I am a messenger sent by

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God. I'm a prophet, a messenger of God.

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That's the first thing. Because this confusion you're

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not gonna see happening, did not happen with

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Noah, did not happen with Abraham, did not

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happen with Moses. So why do you need

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to come back to clarify? And the second

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second thing is a mission that is given

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by Allah, which is to kill the antichrist.

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So Muslims believe that. Like this is there's

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no doubt about that. We believe in it,

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but we don't live our life waiting,

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when is this gonna happen? Because when that

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time comes, it's gonna be a time of

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trials and tribulations.

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And Muslims don't wait for trials and tribulations

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because the prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam said

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there's no prophet or messenger except that he

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warned his people from the Dajjal. It's a

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very difficult time. It's just the one of

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the strongest fitna, the strongest trial, tribulation that

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will happen to the Muslims. So I end

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every prayer in the end. We say we

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seek refuge in the end of the prayer

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we say this. It's a dua that we

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supplicate,

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because we are we don't wanna be in

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that time. So we're not waiting for

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anyone. We do believe it, but Muslims live

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on their life and they practice,

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as much as they can. So that's what

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it says. When you were saying when the

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man came to ask the prophet Muhammad, last

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the fundamental measure sent to mankind about the

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day of judgment,

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he

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Absolutely. He didn't know when it was. Absolutely.

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He said, what have you done prepared for?

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It reminded me, I think it's Mark 1332,

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if I'm not mistaken, when one came to

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Jesus, same thing.

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He said the same thing. He said he

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don't know. Absolutely. The angels don't know. No

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one knows but the creator knows. Absolutely. So

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so this is you can see the commonality

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here. Right? Yeah. He could have made some

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stuff up Yes. If he was a fraud.

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He could have just like, you know, why

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put himself in a spot like of he's

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ignorant about it?

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Absolutely, SubhanAllah, is the same echoing, echoing the

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same statement in the Quran

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is,

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when he said that no one knows except

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Allah. When Allah,

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or or when Angel Gabriel came to the

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prophet and then he said the one who's

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asking does not know more than the one

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who's been asked. Yeah. Essentially echoing the same

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thing that Jesus, peace be upon him, said

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as you said in Mark 13 32, and

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no one knows the day and the hour.

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So, the this knowledge has only been for

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Allah, a zawajal.

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It's only been a unique knowledge given to

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the creator. And that's why there is no

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use for those people doing calculations.

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If the prophet, peace be upon him, does

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not know, we who and me will not

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know. And if Jesus does not know, it

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shows that these people too are coming as

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the prophet, peace be upon him,

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I'm the closest or ally or friend of

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Jesus, peace be upon him. This is prophet

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Muhammad. Prophet Muhammad

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Yes.

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Group of people that we can see today,

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man. Of America's funding, like Absolutely. Spending all

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our tax people money. Absolutely. Absolutely. And they

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have,

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a group called APAC, and then you have

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majority of the control when it comes to

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the the government Yeah. And who does who

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and what, and when do you do and

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what you don't do. And, and the this

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group is if you actually if you read

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their their, Talbud and if you read the

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writings and you see what they're actually saying.

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Right?

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About Jesus, peace be upon him, and saying

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that it's a habit to to spit on

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him and then saying

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calling him names and and saying that he

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is,

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I don't wanna even I mean, this is

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just for educational purposes. Yeah. Absolutely. People got

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it twisted. They're taking us as but, you

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know, as the enemy. But you when you

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say you see this infinity that, you know,

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this love that he's shown for Absolutely. Peace

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be upon him. It's amazing. And then, before

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we go to the next clip, it reminded

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me of the hadith, the saying of prophet

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Muhammad peace and blessing upon him said, if

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the day of judgment was to come tomorrow

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plant, plant a tree. Absolutely. Absolutely. What does

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that show us? SubhanAllah.

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Tree. Exactly. The the prophet said if the

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day of judgment happens and you are there,

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you see it, and you have a plant

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in your hand, something to plant,

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plant it. Plant it. Plant the seeds. Do

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the deed. Don't don't stop. The day of

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judgement is there. I'm gonna we're gonna stop.

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So even to that extent,

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Muslims are people of actions. We should be.

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May Allah make us like this. But to

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that extent, you see Muslims are being people

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of actions. Like, even the day of judgment,

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the end times is there, but still plant

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that seed because that seed, you will get

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the reward for it. Yes. You will get

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the reward for it because Allah rewards you

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also with the intention, not just with the

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that that thing specifically happening. So subhanAllah, like

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but so it's it's a very interesting perspective

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if you expound upon what he's saying there,

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I would say. Okay. So here we're gonna

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go to the next one. I'm reading this

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like Michael Francine. He's reading the situation and

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you'll see,

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if you agree later, he's gonna start giving

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his dua. Okay. So pay attention to that.

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Alright. Well no, you're right because faith without

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works is not

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it's meaningless.

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But let me ask you a very interesting

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because you said you believe Jesus is coming

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back Yeah. And yet your is So does

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Islam. They do. Yeah. So they believe that

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Jesus is the son of God. Yeah. Okay.

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They believe he was a messenger.

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They don't believe he's the son of God.

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I have to be I I I don't

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wanna say anything incorrect because if I say

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anything incorrect, the the Muslim world jumps all

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over me. But they do believe he was

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a messenger. They believe he was a prophet.

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Mhmm. Along with Mohammed and along with Moses,

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they believe in a lot of the same

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things.

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I guess the very simplistic way to understand

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or explain Islam

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is they believe in the Bible, they believe

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in all of it, they just wrote one

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more book afterwards

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by one more messenger, Mohammed, peace be upon

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him. And in his book, he said, Christians

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are right. Everything's right.

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But

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there's also this part.

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That's the very simplistic

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view of it. Mhmm. Okay. There's a lot

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to Unpack. Unpack there. Right? Let let me

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start off with, what stood out, is

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what Michael Francine started off with. He mentioned

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faith without works. This is Islamic concept.

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But usually, I mean, this is in the

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Bible where James is talking about faith without

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works.

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But how how do you now because usually

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and then you have Paul saying, you know,

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your good deeds are like filthy rags. Mhmm.

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Right? Absolutely. Yeah. Then this is in Isaiah,

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I believe. Right. Right. Yeah. So so you

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got this idea of of like, demeaning the

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works

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and then Paul is saying that you don't

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need works, you just need faith. Right? Yeah.

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And and So Michael Francine, he's more his

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what he just said is more on the

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Islamic side. Yes. Yes. And the criticism of

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the preachers when they come to you is

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that Islam use deeds, deeds, and through the

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deeds that you you attain salvation, which is

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now he's saying the opposite of that. Right?

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Yeah. So this is the thing, Christians are

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there's something that happens with a lot of

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Christians. Not every Christian, but I love the

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Christians. They're they're very convenient.

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Meaning that they take the position,

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depending on the event. Right? Right? We are

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we are we today we wanna talk about

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because the Bible itself is contradictory,

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which allows them to do this. If the

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Bible itself is contradictory and contradiction, then you

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can jump to the opposite position whenever you

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like. Whenever the, you know, is convenient, you

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would jump to the different position. So for

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example, in this case, whenever you wanna talk

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about works underneath the work, they'll jump to

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the James writings. Whenever they speaking against Muslims,

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they jump into Paul's and and, you know,

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and Isaiah's. Whenever you show them verses that

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Jesus is not God, they say humanity. Whenever

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you show them whenever they use other verses,

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okay, this is, divinity. So they jump into

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whichever kind of position,

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that that is convenient for them because the

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teachings itself is a contradiction.

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So it allows them to keep jumping from

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one to another. And the interesting thing I

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wanna say here is is this. Right?

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Like Andrew, he started by saying what is

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I don't wanna say anything wrong. And I

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wanna first say 2 things. 1st, it's commendable

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to say you don't know something before you

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speak Yeah. When you don't know something. So

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we we wanna, like, say that this is

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a commendable thing from him to say

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and and that that this is a great,

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attribute to say. Right? It's a great because

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some people just speak, you know, like, people

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asking me therefore I'm gonna speak. So he

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is clarifying that. Second thing he says, the

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Muslim world is gonna jump on me if

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I say something wrong.

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And we say that is the reason he

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chose Islam.

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Mhmm. This is what we say to him.

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If I was sitting down with him, I'll

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tell him, that's why you accepted Islam. You

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accepted Islam because Muslims have real alliance. They

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have boundaries. They don't allow incorrect things to

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be said about Islam. They don't allow confusing

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messages to be spread out. They are standing

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their ground and the teachings is what the

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book says, not what I think and I

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feel at the moment. We don't change. And

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if someone's trying to change by saying something

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opposite to what we believe, we're going to

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correct it. So I'll say to him that

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this is what comes with becoming a Muslim.

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Right? Is that you need to understand that

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if you are speaking in a public sphere

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and you've got a massive,

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following an audience, many of which are not

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necessarily educated,

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there will be a need for people to

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clarify

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statements that are being made. So that that's

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what I would say to him.

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But I wanna say something else is that

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for someone to say,

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I'm not educated or I'm not, like, knowledgeable.

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Like, right now I'll say, I'm not a

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doctor. Right? Say hypothetically, I'll say, I'm not

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a doctor. I'm not studied medicine.

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And, I don't wanna say anything that doctors

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are gonna correct me. But this is how

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you operate on heart.

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That defeats the purpose of what I just

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said. Right? Because I just said that I'm

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not I don't have specialties in that field.

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I cannot then after a minute start giving

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you information about that thing in which

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I'm not familiar with. But I'll say with

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with with our brother, Andrew, he's got, like,

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a little bit of a difficult situation in

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which because of his,

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massive audience,

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he is cornered into being asked questions all

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the time of Islam because he's public

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about accepting Islam, which is doing a lot

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of goodness.

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And that's why he's always on the spot

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being asked questions. And that's why it's essential

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and it is very important. If brother Andrew

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ever sees this, it's essential that, we sit

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down,

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people of knowledge,

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and we seek knowledge. Even though we look,

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we we pay money for many things. To

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take care of our health, for of our

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health, to look, the best representative of our

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banner, to,

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brag and show off our cars or houses,

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this and that. We do. We pay money

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for many things.

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Even if it needed you to fly

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a scholar from a complete different continent.

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So you can educate yourself,

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and learn,

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everyone. This is everyone we're speaking in general,

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to educate yourself and learn to that which

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would benefit you in the long term, which

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is your afterlife. Not this life which changes

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in a day you're here, a day you're

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there. No. We're talking about the eternal never

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ending life.

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Even if you pay money, even if you

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try to get someone, just to make sure

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that you get a grasp of the basics.

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And it doesn't take that long, yeah, to

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get a grasp. Be surprised, especially if someone

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as intelligent as brother Andrew. Not gonna take

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that long to take a grasp so you'll

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be able to represent

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the beliefs, the foundations of Islam correctly correctly

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and avoid any issues of anyone coming out

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and saying, He's got a lot of potential.

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Absolutely.

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Right. He's got a lot of potential. Absolutely.

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Extremely eloquent. He he yeah. He can he

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can really get a grasp of these fundamental

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very easily. Absolutely. It's not it's not some

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complicated Absolutely. Like, and and he's very eloquent.

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He's very charismatic in his Yeah. He knows

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how to make people listen. Mhmm. You know,

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some people only speak, people will listen. Some

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people when you speak, you'll see them talking

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to each other in the background because you're

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not you're not attract you're not charismatic enough

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for them to actually listen to you. He's

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got that

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charismatic effect. He's got the intelligence

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and that's what led him to Islam. Because

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he's got the intelligence that which led him

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eventually to Islam. So now it's capitalizing on

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that intelligence

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through actually describing things the correct way. Now

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so he went on,

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to speak about certain things in which we

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would say are a bit problematic,

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from an Islamic point of view, regarding Muslims

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and Christians and and which views they would

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hold. So for instance, we would say as

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Muslims is like, Muslims don't believe in the

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the full Bible is correct and the Christians

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are just correct the way they are and

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unless we have a new book and, just

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have another book on top of it. And

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I understand

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not to,

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attack him or anything. That's not the purpose.

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He said that this is a simplified way

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putting it. But this is not the case

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is that Muslims, we don't say that just

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this is another book that we're going to

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believe in. There are fundamental

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beliefs

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that that make distinguishes

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Muslims from Christians.

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And that Muslims believe that the Bible, what

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people call the Bible today, is a scripture

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that has been changed.

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Meaning there is additions, omissions, and alterations to

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the text. In fact, Christian scholars themselves would

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admit to this. Now this is an important

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point. This is not just Muslims making this

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up. Absolutely.

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I mean, there is a verse in the

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Quran, Allah is saying that woe to those

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who write the book with their hands. Absolutely.

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Chapter 2, verse 79. Yes. But you have,

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what is it, Bruce Mesker? Absolutely. Bart Aaron.

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Absolutely. There's so many different academics, Bible scholars

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who have confirmed Matthew didn't write Matthew. Absolutely.

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Luke didn't write Luke. Absolutely. There are anonymous

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books. We don't even know who wrote them

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Yeah. To that extent.

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And you'll find that this is like a

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common thing. Like, you Brutesmas. He has a

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book called the text of New Testament. It's

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transmission corruption or restrictions. He talks about the

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corruption himself.

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And and Bart Ehrman used to be a

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Christian left Christianity, and then he's got misquoting

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Jesus as many as well as many other

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books talking about the, problems. People, of course,

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call the gospel books, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and

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John. Well, they call them Matthew, Mark, Luke,

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and John because we don't know who wrote

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these books, and there's no point calling them

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Sam, Fred, Jerry, and Harry. I mean, they're

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they're written by people. We don't know who

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they were written by. They are anonymous. You

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might not think so because they have the

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title, the gospel according to Matthew. Whoever put

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that title on it was an editor later.

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The followers of Jesus were Aramaic

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speaking peasants from Galilee,

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lower class men

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who were not educated.

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In fact, Peter and John in Acts chapter

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4 verse 13 are literally said to be

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illiterate.

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They couldn't read and write. Of course not.

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They were fishermen. They didn't go to school.

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The vast majority of people in the ancient

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world

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never learned to read, let alone write. And

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their native language was Aramaic. These books are

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written in Greek

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by highly educated,

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rhetorically trained

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writers who are skilled in Greek composition.

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Sorry. How do you how do you, like,

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how do you because this could be sensitive

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to a lot of people. And, you know,

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you have people who are just paid day

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and night. They don't talk about their religion,

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and they just talk about Islam. Right? But

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when we come, I really, you know, generally,

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we come from a place of love. We

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want the best for all of mankind. So

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when we bring these things up, it can

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be sensitive, but we're not doing it with

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a malicious intent to try, oh, I got

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you and look at your

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it's a place to bring in the information

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so you can like question

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and then from here, you know, look at

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the completion. Absolutely. The Quran came to actually

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give you an alternative here. How do you

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how do you like to you know, when

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you're talking

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to Christians, do you find they get offended

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when you bring these facts up? Yeah. Other

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Christians are actually you studied this stuff in

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seminary school. Yes. Yes. It's true. And and

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SubhanAllah,

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they have this term that they say,

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truth hurts. Right? They have this Yeah. Term

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and use it for a reason because it

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does.

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When the truth is opposite to what you

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believe or you desire,

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it hurts. Right? And this is the case

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with muslims and non muslims. There are certain

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teachers you would say to muslims that it

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would be difficult for them to absorb.

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And, you know, start telling them music is

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haram and then you hear and they're like,

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okay. And they're fighting difficulty with it. You

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start telling

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so truth in general can be against your

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desires because this life is not for you

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to fulfill your desires. Right? So what happens

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is, yes, some Christians will take we try

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to explain to them. It's like, if I

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care about Christians

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and if I want goodness for them, but

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actually something very surprising is the majority of

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Christians that I start meeting today are of

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that view already, that they believe that there's

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been alteration to the scriptures. So I don't

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get that much. Just these people online that

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said that just their job is trying to

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to hold us back as much. Even the

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academic sphere.

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I don't think there's anyone who reputable, who's

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an academic today

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that would argue

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the inerrancy,

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kind of creed of the bible, meaning there's

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no errors at all. I don't think it's

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a single one. Now they've moved into a

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complete one, complete different position. Mhmm. You're not

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gonna find that anymore because of the overwhelming

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evidence and manuscripts that shows that there is

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changes and differences.

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And Muslims believe in the truth

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that can be found in these scriptures. Truth

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meaning that there are true statements.

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For example, when Jesus said in Mark 64,

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or, sorry. It's it's in Mark 64 or

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Deuteronomy 64.

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Or not Jesus, Moses when he says that

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hero Israel, our Lord God is one God.

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Right? Yes. We believe in that. Right? We

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believe Muslims believe there's only one God worthy

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of worship. Like, we don't associate partners with

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him. And Jesus also he echo echo the

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statement that there is one God in Mark

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18/18, I believe. That man asked him. So

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there is only one God. Right? We believe

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in that. And this is something that we

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would affirm. For example, thou shall not kill,

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*, steal, all of these things. Muslims will

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affirm and will say, okay, this these statements

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are true. But what Muslims believe in is

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not what we what you call the Bible.

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Bible is just from biblius, a collection of

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books Mhmm. From different people. We believe in

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something we call the angel. Why is that

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angel? Angel means good news. And it was

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direct revelation given to Jesus. While Mark, Matthew,

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Luke, and John were written later after Jesus.

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They were not handed and given to Jesus.

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Allah says in the Quran,

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and we give him the gospel. Jesus was

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given the gospel that Muslims believe in the

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gospel of Jesus. He was given to Jesus.

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So whatever was written later is not what

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Muslims believe in that we call the gospel.

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And the Torah that was given directly to

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Moses is not the Dead Sea Scrolls, which

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is 2000 years later

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written by unknown people. Just like the new

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system is written by unknown people. So Muslims

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will believe in truth and truth true statements

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if they're there. But we take the Quran

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as a criterion, as Allah says in the

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Quran. Chapter 5 of the Quran, you have

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verse 48 etcetera, which talks about the Quran

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being the criteria

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over the previous scriptures. So it shows us

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where people have changed, where people have altered.

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Do you use it as a standard

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to to see, okay, this is against the

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Quran, then there's alteration here. This is in

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line with the Quran and this is a

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true statement. We don't have an issue with

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it. So Muslims do not wholesale, reject, or

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affirm

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or accept the Bible.

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We are depending on whatever the teaching is,

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we'll use the Quran as a criterion and

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depending on the fact,

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the absolute fact that there has been changes,

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we will affirm that which is true, and

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we will deny that which is not. Yeah.

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So,

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to help people understand,

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so you have the Bible

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because many Muslims actually fell into this also.

00:32:07 --> 00:32:08

They say, yeah, we believe in

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the the Injeel is the,

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New Testament. Right? Yes. And they'll say, Yeah,

00:32:13 --> 00:32:15

we believe in the Bible. But just so

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people can understand,

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these are anonymous books in there. So you

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have the word of God in there, the

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word of the prophets,

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historian, disciples, Sahaba, It's just a mixture. Like,

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the Quran is the words of the creator.

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Mhmm. The Hadith, now,

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the words of prophet Mohammed. Yes. Then you

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have the words of the Sahaba. Yes. Right?

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So it's separate. Yes. Absolutely. So the Bible,

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so people understand, everything is just mixed up.

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Mhmm. Right? Mhmm. So now to say that

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you we believe in the whole Bible, you

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gave a great example. Hero Israel, the Lord

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thy God is 1. That's the pure monotheism,

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absolute monotheism.

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That's confirmed by Prophet Muhammad, Moses, all the

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prophets. But then there's things in there,

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and again just making this example so it

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can hit home for some people, some things

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that we would strongly object to these are

00:32:57 --> 00:32:59

lies, distortions, for example,

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Lot in Genesis

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having relation I know it could be sensitive

00:33:04 --> 00:33:06

to a lot of people just this because

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the prophets are the best

00:33:09 --> 00:33:10

men that walk the earth. But the question

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is this, if it's sensitive, how can it

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be in the scripture that's from God? Like

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like if you're right now, you're you're I

00:33:16 --> 00:33:18

get uncomfortable talking about it because these are

00:33:18 --> 00:33:20

things that Yes. Right? That's a good point.

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And I'll I'll imagine you get uncomfortable talking

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about

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Quran. Is there something I'll be like, okay,

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how can my children read this book that

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in which I can be uncomfortable? And we're

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not talking about other verses that talks about,

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like, very, like, we're just being But you

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get the point I'm trying to make. Absolutely.

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But that's a good point right there. Why

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would you feel uncomfortable, but you can't sit

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your daughter on her lap and say, hey,

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we're gonna we're gonna read this together. Yes.

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And then, you know, what is it, Timothy

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3:16? I think it was that all Scripture

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is for correction and reprove. 2nd Timothy 3:16.

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So there has that means that what's the

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moral of the story? Is it for what?

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Learning a lesson?

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For righteousness to

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guidance? What is it? So there are things

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in there,

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with all due respect to Michael Francine

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and anybody else who's now

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listening, a Christian, our Christian friends, neighbors,

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is that then you have other things

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in there,

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making some of the prophets like idol worshipers.

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Yeah. Absolutely.

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David Solomon. Solomon. David with the woman that

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that he killed so he can do adultery.

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Adultery. Right. Communication with the other woman. These

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are lies. Blank. There's no debate about this.

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Mhmm. Right? So these parts, we can't if

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we believe in it, then we believe in

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all this. Mhmm. But we don't. Mhmm. Because

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these are these are things were that been

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Absolutely. Thrown in there and And the interesting

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thing is this, is that the Bible itself

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calls Lot a righteous servant.

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In which there I'm surprised, like

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because the thing is they say he drinks

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and then he was drunk. Okay. But getting

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drunk, that drunk is already a sin in

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Christianity, let alone Islam

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now. So it's you can the Christians you

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can drink a little bit but not drunk.

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So getting drunk to the extent in which

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you cannot recognize 2 times. 1 daughter 1

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night and the other daughter the second night,

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this is like a little bit like,

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to be polite.

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So,

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these things we this is why we're Muslims

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say Noah also. Noah. Yeah. Yeah. All all

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We compare him When it comes

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when it comes to the prophets and messengers,

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it it it is back to

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whose writings are these Old Testament? Which nation

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was writing this? The nation that went to

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the extent that did not leave God, let

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alone the prophets and messengers.

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God

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forgets and needs to to to be reminded.

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He regrets.

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He's weak and he's defeated, when he's fighting,

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you know, in Genesis against Jacob.

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All of these things are attributed, let alone

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now people, humans, the creator himself

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has not, you know, been safe. He's not

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safe from, the changes and manipulations that took

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place.

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Professor Messenger wouldn't be. So that's why Islam

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comes to rectify and correct like and I

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always say this this very simple question to

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people. Okay. Look. I'm coming to learn from

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you and I know that you had *

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with your own daughters. Would I learn from

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you? No. But that Absolutely not. The now

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imagine the examples from mankind who were supposed

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to teach mankind. How is he supposed to

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be example for me now? Then that opens

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the door for someone to go ahead and

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do the same thing. Absolutely. He did it.

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He's a man of god. Abs And he's

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a righteous servant. I'm also a righteous servant,

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and I'm doing the same thing. God called

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him a righteous servant, so why not call

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me a righteous servant? But then Jesus died

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for your sins. You're all good. You see.

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That that is a contradiction, and that is

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where people do not relate.

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This is where people start, okay. Uh-oh. This

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is a bit now. It doesn't this does

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not make any sense. Jesus died for our

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sins, I can do whatever I want. He

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already died for that sin. Whatever sin I

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do right now, he already died for that

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sin. You'll see, no. No. No. No. If

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you believe in Jesus, your righteousness will stop

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you from doing sin. And every single one

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will admit that they're still committing sins.

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They are still. And the interesting thing is

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there's a verse in in first John that

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says

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that

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whoever believes in Jesus or has Jesus in

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him or believes in Jesus, he cannot commit

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sin.

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And whoever commits sin is a child of

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Satan.

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So it says you are a child of

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Satan. Basic basically you don't know Jesus and

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Jesus is not in you if you still

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commit sins. And every single

00:37:04 --> 00:37:07

Christian commits it. Whether they accept Jesus or

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don't they don't, they still do it. So

00:37:09 --> 00:37:10

how would you then explain this verse that

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you have in 1st John, which explicitly tells

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you that you are the child of Satan

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if you still commit sins? Because realistically, God

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created us this way in a way in

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which we will fall. We'll make mistakes. It's

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not a justification

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to commit sins, but it is that Allah

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is asking you to do as best as

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you can. And that best as you can,

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you're not gonna be perfect.

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You will fall, but you stand up and

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then you repent and you come back you

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come back to you come back to the

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creator because God created you that way. And

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then it's a given that this will happen.

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It's not an excuse for doing it. It's

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a given that that it will happen sooner

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or later. And that's why,

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our brother Andrew here, he's trying to bring

00:37:43 --> 00:37:44

the idea closer,

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but yes, this is not the case. We

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don't we don't like believe the same thing

00:37:47 --> 00:37:49

as the Christians. We don't we reject the

00:37:49 --> 00:37:50

trinity. We don't believe in the,

00:37:51 --> 00:37:53

in the death of, Jesus. We don't believe

00:37:53 --> 00:37:54

Jesus died as the Christians believe. We don't

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believe in the original sin, and therefore the

00:37:56 --> 00:37:59

forgiveness of sins based on that. We we

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scripture as we said, we believe there's issues,

00:38:01 --> 00:38:03

with the preservation when it comes to the

00:38:03 --> 00:38:04

the scripture.

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All of these are fundamental differences between the

00:38:07 --> 00:38:08

Christians and the Muslims.

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And, therefore, we cannot say it's just that

00:38:10 --> 00:38:12

they're the same just just another book. We

00:38:12 --> 00:38:14

believe in previous books as well that were

00:38:14 --> 00:38:15

given to previous messengers.

00:38:15 --> 00:38:17

Like, the Torah that was given to Moses,

00:38:17 --> 00:38:18

not the one that is that it's the

00:38:18 --> 00:38:20

scroll that people say today. We believe in

00:38:20 --> 00:38:22

a scripture that was given to Abraham, Saraf

00:38:22 --> 00:38:24

of Ibrahim. We believe these previous messengers, they

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had revelation. It's not necessarily preserved right now.

00:38:27 --> 00:38:29

A lot of the people say,

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can people change God's words?

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We will say is that Allah entrusted the

00:38:34 --> 00:38:35

rabbis and the priests. As Allah says in

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the Quran chapter 5, that he entrusted the

00:38:36 --> 00:38:38

rabbis and the priests to preserve

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the scriptures, the test.

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And they did not preserve it and Allah

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took it upon himself to preserve the Quran

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because it's a scripture for eternity until the

00:38:47 --> 00:38:48

day of judgement. And that that's why Allah

00:38:48 --> 00:38:49

took that mission.

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Alright. Let's go to the next

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clip here.

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But the separation is

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that if you don't believe Jesus is the

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son of God, That's right. Then you don't

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get to heaven. That's right. And that's scary.

00:39:02 --> 00:39:03

Yeah. You know what I developed,

00:39:03 --> 00:39:05

Andrew? I developed a healthy fear of *.

00:39:05 --> 00:39:07

Yep. You're in the hole.

00:39:07 --> 00:39:08

If this is

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it, if this is the rest of eternity

00:39:10 --> 00:39:13

like this only a 1000000 times worse, and

00:39:13 --> 00:39:14

even if it isn't worse, this is it.

00:39:14 --> 00:39:17

Yeah. I'm here alone by myself, separated from

00:39:17 --> 00:39:19

everyone I love and this is it.

00:39:19 --> 00:39:21

And at that point in time, I had

00:39:21 --> 00:39:23

my bible in there. I had my wife

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send me every book you can imagine. Christian

00:39:26 --> 00:39:26

faith, Hindu,

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everything. I was reading everything.

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And for me,

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the separation was okay.

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All this makes sense.

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But

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if Jesus is the only way to heaven

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and I reject that, then no matter how

00:39:40 --> 00:39:41

good I am, no matter what else I

00:39:41 --> 00:39:43

do, I'm going nowhere. This is gonna be

00:39:43 --> 00:39:46

eternity for me. In fact, and I like

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when

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because sometimes there's the elephant in the room

00:39:50 --> 00:39:52

and now it's like when we get this

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elephant out of the room

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and

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we let people know like he was giving

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down one now. He's letting Andrew know, like,

00:39:59 --> 00:40:00

look, you accept Jesus or you're going to

00:40:00 --> 00:40:03

* pretty much, right? Mhmm. Absolutely. Yeah. So

00:40:03 --> 00:40:03

now

00:40:04 --> 00:40:05

it opens up so that we can also

00:40:05 --> 00:40:07

share, and we come from a place of

00:40:07 --> 00:40:09

love. We want the best for mankind.

00:40:09 --> 00:40:12

The same thing, you have now and we'll

00:40:12 --> 00:40:14

get into, you know, did Jesus actually say

00:40:14 --> 00:40:16

that if you don't take me as a

00:40:16 --> 00:40:17

little son of God,

00:40:18 --> 00:40:19

if you don't did he say that I

00:40:19 --> 00:40:21

came to die for your sins? I'll ask

00:40:21 --> 00:40:23

you that. But the same thing here where

00:40:23 --> 00:40:24

prophet Mohammed,

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peace and blessing be upon him, he said

00:40:26 --> 00:40:27

the one who hears about me, Jew or

00:40:27 --> 00:40:28

Christian,

00:40:28 --> 00:40:30

and denies me. Right? You get a clear

00:40:30 --> 00:40:32

understanding right now. Michael Francine, he's listening to

00:40:32 --> 00:40:34

this. We're gonna explain who prophet Muhammad is.

00:40:34 --> 00:40:37

We're gonna explain the the true nature of

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Jesus. Mhmm. And pro Mohammed said that that

00:40:40 --> 00:40:42

person will be in the hellfire. Mhmm. Anyone

00:40:42 --> 00:40:45

the Quran is clear. Anyone who associates partners

00:40:45 --> 00:40:47

with God. Mhmm. This is like just so

00:40:47 --> 00:40:50

easy to understand. One God Mhmm. And if

00:40:50 --> 00:40:52

you violate that, if you set up partners

00:40:52 --> 00:40:53

with God, you make a human you make

00:40:53 --> 00:40:56

Muhammad God. You make money your God. Absolutely.

00:40:56 --> 00:40:57

Anything

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alongside with God, that's hellfire if you die

00:41:00 --> 00:41:01

upon that. Absolutely. But you could have been

00:41:01 --> 00:41:04

doing that and you repent and God can

00:41:04 --> 00:41:06

forgive you. So what do you think now

00:41:06 --> 00:41:08

from what he was saying? Where do you

00:41:08 --> 00:41:09

wanna go from?

00:41:09 --> 00:41:10

Subhanallah,

00:41:10 --> 00:41:12

first thing I wanna highlight the contradiction I

00:41:12 --> 00:41:15

heard personally, which is what where people try

00:41:15 --> 00:41:16

to be apologetic in a way in which

00:41:16 --> 00:41:18

is problematic, in which he said,

00:41:19 --> 00:41:20

we say that these other religions can be

00:41:20 --> 00:41:21

good,

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but can be good but go to hellfire.

00:41:23 --> 00:41:24

That makes no no sense for me, like,

00:41:24 --> 00:41:27

personally. Like I think anyone hearing is, how

00:41:27 --> 00:41:28

can something be good and lead you to

00:41:28 --> 00:41:29

hellfire?

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And this is where we as muslims would

00:41:31 --> 00:41:32

say no. We don't say believing in these

00:41:32 --> 00:41:34

religions is good. We say believing in these

00:41:34 --> 00:41:37

other faiths other than Islam is polytheism.

00:41:38 --> 00:41:38

It is shirk.

00:41:39 --> 00:41:41

It is denying God. It is we we

00:41:41 --> 00:41:43

didn't call that good. Right? And this is

00:41:43 --> 00:41:45

where it will make us distinguished from being

00:41:45 --> 00:41:47

apologetic and being, oh, no. No. It's all

00:41:47 --> 00:41:48

good. No. No. It's not. Because how can

00:41:48 --> 00:41:50

you be good if you'll end up in

00:41:50 --> 00:41:51

an entire hellfire? That makes no sense. That's

00:41:51 --> 00:41:53

the first thing that I noticed in what

00:41:53 --> 00:41:55

he was saying. And the second thing I

00:41:55 --> 00:41:57

noticed is like, this idea of fear of

00:41:57 --> 00:41:58

hellfire,

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which is,

00:42:00 --> 00:42:01

I think the opposite of the message of

00:42:01 --> 00:42:04

Christianity. It's another contradiction I find. Because when

00:42:04 --> 00:42:05

you go to churches, you go to Christians,

00:42:05 --> 00:42:07

the the last thing they tell you is

00:42:07 --> 00:42:09

about hellfire. Right? So that's a good point.

00:42:09 --> 00:42:11

So Michael is actually closer to Islam Yes.

00:42:11 --> 00:42:14

Again. Absolutely. Michael, I mean, again. Because I

00:42:14 --> 00:42:16

would tell him just go to the church.

00:42:16 --> 00:42:17

Which church is he talking to you about

00:42:17 --> 00:42:20

hellfire? I'll even say love love love. Yeah.

00:42:20 --> 00:42:22

Jesus loves you loves you that reason. That

00:42:22 --> 00:42:23

that that's why you listen. Be forgiving, give

00:42:23 --> 00:42:25

the other cheek. This is the message that

00:42:25 --> 00:42:27

has been pushed of Christianity. So right now

00:42:27 --> 00:42:29

I see you're given the message of Islam

00:42:29 --> 00:42:31

in a gaze of Christianity. Like You're giving

00:42:31 --> 00:42:33

Michael, you're giving the message of Islam to

00:42:33 --> 00:42:35

the gaze of Christianity? Oh, no. No. In

00:42:35 --> 00:42:37

a many covered as it is as if

00:42:37 --> 00:42:39

it is Christianity or something. Right? We say

00:42:39 --> 00:42:41

no. That's that's not how it is. Right?

00:42:41 --> 00:42:43

So we'd say the truth is this is

00:42:43 --> 00:42:45

the message of Islam. What you're given right

00:42:45 --> 00:42:47

now, what you're saying is that there will

00:42:47 --> 00:42:48

be punishment, etcetera. This is a message of

00:42:48 --> 00:42:50

Islam. It's not the message of Christianity.

00:42:50 --> 00:42:52

Message of Christianity is about someone came died

00:42:52 --> 00:42:54

and everyone is forgiven, everyone is good. That's

00:42:54 --> 00:42:56

why when you look at the Bible, there's

00:42:56 --> 00:42:57

no description of hellfire.

00:42:58 --> 00:42:59

How can you support what what fire are

00:42:59 --> 00:43:01

you scared of when you're reading the the

00:43:01 --> 00:43:03

scripture? You only have something called the lake

00:43:03 --> 00:43:05

of fire. That's it. They took probably took

00:43:05 --> 00:43:07

all those, the *. Where is that? Where

00:43:07 --> 00:43:09

is that? Where is the in detail description

00:43:09 --> 00:43:12

of the punishment? Detail. Absolutely. Paradise is detailed.

00:43:12 --> 00:43:14

Absolutely. Hellfire. Like no other book out there.

00:43:14 --> 00:43:17

Absolutely. Absolutely. Telling you specific types of punishment,

00:43:17 --> 00:43:18

telling you how,

00:43:21 --> 00:43:23

those who disbelieve in our verses will make

00:43:23 --> 00:43:24

them test the fire.

00:43:25 --> 00:43:27

The way every time that their skin is

00:43:27 --> 00:43:29

rosy, we replace them with a new skin

00:43:29 --> 00:43:30

so they can feel the pain. That's another

00:43:30 --> 00:43:33

absolutely sign right there. It's amazing. Absolutely. Absolutely.

00:43:33 --> 00:43:35

So so you've got all of these verses

00:43:35 --> 00:43:37

that give specific descriptions of punishments.

00:43:38 --> 00:43:40

That's why we see another wisdom here, which

00:43:40 --> 00:43:42

is the wisdom of Allah speaking about punishment.

00:43:42 --> 00:43:43

Because a lot of people come and say,

00:43:43 --> 00:43:44

why is it all of these speech about

00:43:44 --> 00:43:47

punishment, this and that? Reason is that there

00:43:47 --> 00:43:48

are people who live a

00:43:49 --> 00:43:50

very strong and sinful life in a way

00:43:50 --> 00:43:52

in which their murders, their characters, in which

00:43:52 --> 00:43:55

that can be a huge deterrent that returns

00:43:55 --> 00:43:57

returns them back to the truth. There are

00:43:57 --> 00:43:59

some people who who prefer, you know, gentleness

00:43:59 --> 00:44:01

and night and night and night and kindness

00:44:01 --> 00:44:03

and love and mercy. That's why Muslims, they

00:44:03 --> 00:44:05

are like Sheikh Al Aslam Al Qayim said,

00:44:05 --> 00:44:07

they're like a bird with 2 wings. Yes.

00:44:07 --> 00:44:09

One wing is the fear and the other

00:44:09 --> 00:44:11

wing is the hope. Complete balance. Absolutely. So

00:44:11 --> 00:44:13

we've got this balance that we apply

00:44:13 --> 00:44:15

and through that balance that we apply we

00:44:15 --> 00:44:17

work as Muslims. We don't just recline on

00:44:17 --> 00:44:19

one side and leave the other side. But

00:44:19 --> 00:44:20

this fear of hellfire,

00:44:21 --> 00:44:23

I think a lot of Muslims need.

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The truth is there's a lot of speakers

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who are

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too,

00:44:28 --> 00:44:29

apologetic,

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too nice, too they never talk about

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things which are also difficult. They never talk

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about punishment. They talk about only mercy, a

00:44:37 --> 00:44:39

love, of forgiveness which is good, a part

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of Islam. But you have a half in

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which you're selling people a different message. This

00:44:43 --> 00:44:44

is not the message of Islam that is

00:44:44 --> 00:44:46

just forgiveness and peace is the message of

00:44:46 --> 00:44:48

Christianity now. The message of Islam is that

00:44:48 --> 00:44:50

there is a balance. Allah is in Allah

00:44:50 --> 00:44:50

is

00:44:51 --> 00:44:53

severe in punishment and punishment. Allah

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is forgiven and merciful. Allah in one verse.

00:44:56 --> 00:44:58

In multiple locations in the Quran, you will

00:44:58 --> 00:44:59

see that Allah links

00:45:00 --> 00:45:00

the punishment

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and and the forgiveness. In one verse to

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tell you, look, there's a balance.

00:45:05 --> 00:45:06

Be afraid if you live in a very

00:45:06 --> 00:45:09

sinful life, but also know the the door

00:45:09 --> 00:45:11

of repentance is is open. It's there that

00:45:11 --> 00:45:13

Allah can forgive you. But at the same

00:45:13 --> 00:45:14

time do not transgress and think you're gonna

00:45:14 --> 00:45:15

live your life do whatever you want to

00:45:15 --> 00:45:17

do. There is a balance. So we tell

00:45:17 --> 00:45:19

him that that message that you're preaching, that

00:45:19 --> 00:45:21

message that you're giving the public now, the

00:45:21 --> 00:45:23

message the message that you're conveying is the

00:45:23 --> 00:45:24

message of Islam,

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not the message of Christianity that tells you

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about just forgiveness on someone's side. To Michael

00:45:28 --> 00:45:31

again. Absolutely. The former office boss. 100%. This

00:45:31 --> 00:45:33

is the message to him? Michael, come on,

00:45:33 --> 00:45:36

Michael. You're closer to Islam now. Did Jesus

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ever ever

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explicitly,

00:45:39 --> 00:45:42

you have implicit and explicit statements in the

00:45:42 --> 00:45:45

Bible. Do you have any explicit statements that

00:45:45 --> 00:45:46

Jesus said, Look,

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that if you don't believe me being the

00:45:48 --> 00:45:50

son of God that came to die for

00:45:50 --> 00:45:51

your sins, you're gonna go to the hellfire?

00:45:52 --> 00:45:54

Because I mean it it would be unjust

00:45:54 --> 00:45:55

that if things,

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if you're getting pulled over at a policeman,

00:45:57 --> 00:45:58

there's no stop sign. It's just like you're

00:45:58 --> 00:46:00

supposed to figure it out on your own.

00:46:00 --> 00:46:01

But here,

00:46:02 --> 00:46:04

is there anything that you've seen, that you've

00:46:04 --> 00:46:05

come across

00:46:05 --> 00:46:07

that's clear? Because he's saying he's pretty much

00:46:07 --> 00:46:09

telling Andrew like if you don't accept Jesus

00:46:10 --> 00:46:11

as your as the son of God coming

00:46:11 --> 00:46:13

to die for your sins, you're basically going

00:46:13 --> 00:46:15

to hellfire. Absolutely. Now I'll ask a question

00:46:15 --> 00:46:17

to return. Yeah. Have you ever heard the

00:46:17 --> 00:46:18

debate

00:46:18 --> 00:46:21

in which someone says let's debate whether Allah

00:46:21 --> 00:46:24

says his God or not? No. Ever in

00:46:24 --> 00:46:25

your life? Have you ever like, search the

00:46:25 --> 00:46:27

internet. The debate

00:46:27 --> 00:46:29

whether if Allah, the creator Yes. Yes. He's

00:46:29 --> 00:46:31

God. Is saying that he's God. In the

00:46:31 --> 00:46:32

Quran or in Islam? Yeah. Have you ever

00:46:32 --> 00:46:34

heard the debate titled this? No. Absolutely not.

00:46:34 --> 00:46:35

No.

00:46:35 --> 00:46:37

In history, have you heard a book a

00:46:37 --> 00:46:39

book written with this title? No.

00:46:39 --> 00:46:42

Now how many debates and how many books

00:46:42 --> 00:46:43

and how many things have you heard about

00:46:43 --> 00:46:44

Jesus saying this?

00:46:45 --> 00:46:46

Now the reason I try to flip it

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is for people to understand. It's that this

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is a foundational belief.

00:46:50 --> 00:46:53

If ever there was a clear description, like

00:46:53 --> 00:46:55

there is in the Quran saying that Allah

00:46:55 --> 00:46:57

is God worthy for ship, etcetera, there would

00:46:57 --> 00:46:59

never be a debate throughout history.

00:46:59 --> 00:47:01

Of anyone ever trying to say that Jesus

00:47:01 --> 00:47:04

did not say explicitly that he was God.

00:47:04 --> 00:47:06

Now, and there would be no need because

00:47:06 --> 00:47:08

Muslims would lose. We started the day. Okay.

00:47:08 --> 00:47:10

Let's see if Jesus said he's gone. The

00:47:10 --> 00:47:12

next the guy is gonna come. Okay. Mark

00:47:12 --> 00:47:14

1:1, hypothetically, Jesus is our own god. The

00:47:14 --> 00:47:16

debate is over, and the Muslim is lost.

00:47:16 --> 00:47:18

But the reason we have these debates is

00:47:18 --> 00:47:20

because we know for a fact, without a

00:47:20 --> 00:47:21

shadow of a doubt, that there is not

00:47:21 --> 00:47:22

a single

00:47:23 --> 00:47:26

verse that is unequivocal, that is clear, that

00:47:26 --> 00:47:26

is not ambiguous,

00:47:27 --> 00:47:28

not one.

00:47:28 --> 00:47:29

From Jesus himself

00:47:29 --> 00:47:31

saying that he is God,

00:47:31 --> 00:47:33

saying asking the people to worship him, saying

00:47:33 --> 00:47:35

that he's equal with God. Push back a

00:47:35 --> 00:47:36

little bit. Yeah, of course. You're welcome to

00:47:36 --> 00:47:38

push back and this is it. Like like

00:47:38 --> 00:47:40

I've been doing this for a while and

00:47:40 --> 00:47:41

not just me, people before I was born

00:47:41 --> 00:47:43

and people before they were born have been

00:47:43 --> 00:47:45

doing this, have been asking the questions. Hey,

00:47:45 --> 00:47:47

come. Let's show us these statements. Before Abraham

00:47:47 --> 00:47:49

was, I am. Ex on this. Hey, man.

00:47:49 --> 00:47:51

What are you talking about? Okay. Alright. Before

00:47:51 --> 00:47:52

Abraham was, I am. Let's respond. Like I

00:47:52 --> 00:47:54

always have a funny response to this this

00:47:54 --> 00:47:56

which is specifically in

00:47:56 --> 00:47:58

John chapter 8 verse 58, the verse that

00:47:58 --> 00:48:00

you just quoted. But I just say, okay,

00:48:00 --> 00:48:02

before Abraham was I am, explain what does

00:48:02 --> 00:48:03

that mean?

00:48:03 --> 00:48:05

What does that prove? What what is the

00:48:05 --> 00:48:06

meaning of this verse?

00:48:06 --> 00:48:09

Now, they they stop there, surprisingly, you know.

00:48:09 --> 00:48:11

What is really funny is like almost every

00:48:11 --> 00:48:13

Christian asks what does that mean? They don't

00:48:13 --> 00:48:15

know how to respond. Which shows to me

00:48:15 --> 00:48:15

a robotic

00:48:16 --> 00:48:16

kind of

00:48:17 --> 00:48:19

preaching from the church. That they take words

00:48:19 --> 00:48:20

but they don't understand what words means and

00:48:20 --> 00:48:22

they go around with it using it as

00:48:22 --> 00:48:23

evidences. Okay. My question is what does it

00:48:23 --> 00:48:24

mean?

00:48:25 --> 00:48:27

I'll help them. Sometimes they usually have I

00:48:27 --> 00:48:28

have to help them in the end because

00:48:28 --> 00:48:29

they don't know. I'll say there's 2 views

00:48:29 --> 00:48:31

there that Christians use. Whichever view you wanna

00:48:31 --> 00:48:31

take.

00:48:32 --> 00:48:34

Right? First view is that they say, I

00:48:34 --> 00:48:36

am is the name of God. And they

00:48:36 --> 00:48:39

usually go to Exodus chapter 3 where where

00:48:39 --> 00:48:40

where Moses is like speaking with God and

00:48:40 --> 00:48:42

God said to him, I shall be what

00:48:42 --> 00:48:44

I shall be hey asher hey in which

00:48:44 --> 00:48:46

they will say I am. That's not what

00:48:46 --> 00:48:47

the Hebrew says. But But you actually recite

00:48:47 --> 00:48:48

it now in the Hebrew.

00:48:49 --> 00:48:50

The Hebrew. What the Hebrew says. Or I

00:48:50 --> 00:48:52

shall be, what I shall be, etcetera. But

00:48:52 --> 00:48:54

they translate as I am what I am.

00:48:54 --> 00:48:55

Let's accept the trans look, I like to

00:48:55 --> 00:48:57

be generous with with our,

00:48:57 --> 00:48:58

Christian friends and,

00:48:59 --> 00:49:01

you know, listeners. I'll say, okay, let's accept

00:49:01 --> 00:49:03

your argument. Okay. It's it says

00:49:03 --> 00:49:04

I am is the name of God. Let's

00:49:04 --> 00:49:06

take the argument. So I am is the

00:49:06 --> 00:49:08

name of God. So

00:49:08 --> 00:49:10

let's remove I am and put God. Because

00:49:10 --> 00:49:11

I am is the name of God. It's

00:49:11 --> 00:49:13

a noun. Right? So let's put God.

00:49:13 --> 00:49:15

Before Abraham was

00:49:16 --> 00:49:16

God.

00:49:17 --> 00:49:19

K. Do you disagree that before Abraham was

00:49:19 --> 00:49:21

God? Does any human being disagree that before

00:49:21 --> 00:49:23

Abraham was God? And that makes perfect sense

00:49:23 --> 00:49:24

in the context because a lot of people

00:49:24 --> 00:49:27

don't know the context. Fact, the 99.9% of

00:49:27 --> 00:49:28

the Christians I mentioned is don't know the

00:49:28 --> 00:49:30

context. Context is that they were speaking to,

00:49:32 --> 00:49:34

Jesus and he mentioned Abraham, and you've told

00:49:34 --> 00:49:35

him you've not known Abraham.

00:49:35 --> 00:49:38

You're, like, somewhat 3 years old. You've not

00:49:38 --> 00:49:40

met Abraham. You're still young. Abraham was way

00:49:40 --> 00:49:42

back. Then he told them before Abraham was

00:49:42 --> 00:49:43

high. Which if he says before Abraham was

00:49:43 --> 00:49:45

God, he means that God was there since

00:49:45 --> 00:49:47

eternity. So he can tell me about Abraham

00:49:47 --> 00:49:49

and I can tell you through God about

00:49:49 --> 00:49:50

Abraham. I can tell you through about him

00:49:50 --> 00:49:52

through Moses. I can tell you about Moses.

00:49:52 --> 00:49:53

I can I can tell you about anyone?

00:49:53 --> 00:49:55

Because God who is there from the beginning

00:49:55 --> 00:49:57

can tell you everything. So that's one

00:49:58 --> 00:50:00

way to understand it. Okay? So it doesn't

00:50:00 --> 00:50:02

work, it doesn't help you if you say

00:50:02 --> 00:50:03

I am is the name of God. Because

00:50:03 --> 00:50:05

he has to say I am I am

00:50:05 --> 00:50:06

in this case. He has to say I

00:50:06 --> 00:50:08

am the noun. I am God. But he

00:50:08 --> 00:50:10

didn't say that. He just said one I

00:50:10 --> 00:50:11

am. The other way to understand this, they

00:50:11 --> 00:50:13

will say it means that he was eternal.

00:50:14 --> 00:50:15

Because Jesus,

00:50:16 --> 00:50:18

was born after Abraham 1000 of years, etcetera.

00:50:18 --> 00:50:20

That means he was eternal. We'll say, no.

00:50:20 --> 00:50:21

First, we agree that he was eternal

00:50:22 --> 00:50:23

because that does not say he was from

00:50:23 --> 00:50:25

the beginning just as he was before Abraham.

00:50:25 --> 00:50:27

And a human being can exist before Abraham

00:50:27 --> 00:50:28

and still not be god. The devil was

00:50:28 --> 00:50:30

there before Abraham, was he god? He's not

00:50:30 --> 00:50:33

God. So just existing before a prophet does

00:50:33 --> 00:50:34

not mean you're eternal and it does not

00:50:34 --> 00:50:36

mean you're God. But we'll say okay, let's

00:50:36 --> 00:50:38

accept he's eternal. Be nice again with with

00:50:38 --> 00:50:40

the Christians. And I just give them the

00:50:40 --> 00:50:41

ground. I say, okay, you wanna use it?

00:50:41 --> 00:50:43

Let's accept the argumentation, which doesn't even you

00:50:43 --> 00:50:45

don't have evidences for it, but let's accept

00:50:45 --> 00:50:48

it. Okay. He is eternal. Eternal does not

00:50:48 --> 00:50:50

mean God because you look at Melchizedek, who's

00:50:50 --> 00:50:52

a contemporary of Abraham, who's mentioned in Hebrews,

00:50:52 --> 00:50:53

I believe.

00:50:54 --> 00:50:56

Who the Bible says has no beginning, no

00:50:56 --> 00:50:57

end. No genealogy.

00:50:58 --> 00:50:59

No beginning of time, no end of days,

00:50:59 --> 00:51:00

you know.

00:51:01 --> 00:51:03

And he is eternal. Mhmm. And it says

00:51:03 --> 00:51:04

in the likeness the son of God. So

00:51:04 --> 00:51:05

he's not the son of God. He's not

00:51:05 --> 00:51:07

Jesus. And it was a time for Abraham

00:51:07 --> 00:51:08

before Jesus.

00:51:08 --> 00:51:10

So this person was a priest, the high

00:51:10 --> 00:51:12

priest according to what the biblical commentators would

00:51:12 --> 00:51:14

say, and they don't know what his identity,

00:51:14 --> 00:51:16

have no clue who this is, but he's

00:51:16 --> 00:51:16

eternal.

00:51:17 --> 00:51:18

So if someone is eternal, therefore,

00:51:19 --> 00:51:20

their God,

00:51:20 --> 00:51:22

then you have to accept Melchizedek as also

00:51:22 --> 00:51:22

God.

00:51:23 --> 00:51:25

So either way, we say to them,

00:51:25 --> 00:51:27

this verse there does not support you in

00:51:27 --> 00:51:28

any way, shape, or form, and I'm just

00:51:28 --> 00:51:29

being kind enough to explain it to you

00:51:29 --> 00:51:31

and take your incorrect positions and still tell

00:51:31 --> 00:51:33

you why it does not work. And, yeah,

00:51:33 --> 00:51:34

what else?

00:51:34 --> 00:51:36

Let's go to the to the next clip.

00:51:37 --> 00:51:39

But that's the one separation.

00:51:39 --> 00:51:40

I understand.

00:51:40 --> 00:51:43

And that's important. And that's that's something you

00:51:43 --> 00:51:45

really need to figure out and think about

00:51:45 --> 00:51:47

because if he is the only way to

00:51:47 --> 00:51:49

heaven, no matter how good you are, no

00:51:49 --> 00:51:51

matter what how great the country, doesn't matter.

00:51:52 --> 00:51:53

Yeah. So I guess that's it. That's,

00:51:54 --> 00:51:56

the conversation takes another shift, but Mhmm. You

00:51:56 --> 00:51:59

really so he's emphasizing emphatically that you really

00:51:59 --> 00:52:00

need to consider, Andrew.

00:52:01 --> 00:52:02

He's letting him know because he knows Andrew

00:52:02 --> 00:52:04

Tate accepted Islam. Mhmm. He's Muslim.

00:52:05 --> 00:52:07

And so he's letting him know that, okay.

00:52:07 --> 00:52:10

You really kinda gotta reconsider this. True. Yeah.

00:52:10 --> 00:52:12

You like all these things but Andrew lists

00:52:12 --> 00:52:13

a bunch of things that he likes and

00:52:13 --> 00:52:15

loves about Islam. Mhmm. But at the end

00:52:15 --> 00:52:17

of the day those things might be good,

00:52:17 --> 00:52:20

but here your salvation you're losing it. Mhmm.

00:52:20 --> 00:52:22

You know SubhanAllah we just we respond to

00:52:22 --> 00:52:24

the verse of the Quran. Mhmm. Allah says

00:52:24 --> 00:52:25

in the Quran.

00:52:28 --> 00:52:29

They said

00:52:38 --> 00:52:39

Mhmm. Produce your proof

00:52:40 --> 00:52:42

if you are indeed truthful. And we're we're

00:52:42 --> 00:52:43

welcoming this message to anyone.

00:52:44 --> 00:52:45

Where is the proof

00:52:46 --> 00:52:48

that what you believe is correct?

00:52:49 --> 00:52:51

What you believe is objectively true? We're not

00:52:51 --> 00:52:53

asking for personal experiences, what you saw in

00:52:53 --> 00:52:55

your dream, you're about to have an accident.

00:52:55 --> 00:52:57

Everyone has this personal experience, you know. I'll

00:52:57 --> 00:53:00

mention something very briefly, you know. A personal

00:53:00 --> 00:53:02

experience, but people don't say okay this is

00:53:02 --> 00:53:03

like not. But it's still a personal experience

00:53:03 --> 00:53:05

that I had here in the US just

00:53:05 --> 00:53:05

few days ago.

00:53:06 --> 00:53:07

That doesn't mean I say now islam is

00:53:07 --> 00:53:08

the truth. Like

00:53:10 --> 00:53:11

when I usually travel I bring my air

00:53:11 --> 00:53:13

sometimes I work out, I use them for

00:53:13 --> 00:53:14

working out or when I'm in the plane

00:53:14 --> 00:53:16

or whatever it is. I forgot them because

00:53:16 --> 00:53:17

I was in a bit in rush when

00:53:17 --> 00:53:18

I was leaving.

00:53:18 --> 00:53:20

So I ended up not bringing them. And

00:53:20 --> 00:53:21

when I was at the hotel back in

00:53:21 --> 00:53:22

New Jersey,

00:53:22 --> 00:53:24

I thought okay, let me,

00:53:24 --> 00:53:26

order a new one. Let me order a

00:53:26 --> 00:53:28

new head Right? But I got so busy,

00:53:28 --> 00:53:30

you know, the conferences, 1st day, 2nd day,

00:53:30 --> 00:53:32

3rd day, we give 3 we give, like,

00:53:32 --> 00:53:34

3 lectures, etcetera. So I became busy, busy,

00:53:34 --> 00:53:36

busy. After one of the lectures, someone came

00:53:36 --> 00:53:37

and give me a

00:53:38 --> 00:53:40

gift. And, you know, usually when people give

00:53:40 --> 00:53:41

gifts, they just give, you know, a pair

00:53:41 --> 00:53:43

for you and my watch, whatever it is.

00:53:44 --> 00:53:46

I opened the box and I look at

00:53:46 --> 00:53:48

my iPhone AirPod. It was a earpods? Earpods.

00:53:48 --> 00:53:51

And I was like, for me, this is

00:53:51 --> 00:53:52

a sign. For me, it's not just a

00:53:52 --> 00:53:54

sign. It's like this is I was about

00:53:54 --> 00:53:56

to order this. So instead of ordering it

00:53:56 --> 00:53:58

online, it's been ordered for me. I was

00:53:58 --> 00:54:01

gonna buy like these like Dormel ones, cheap

00:54:01 --> 00:54:02

ones, like they gave me these white ones

00:54:02 --> 00:54:05

that I believe they're expensive, right? They're apple

00:54:05 --> 00:54:06

ones or whatever it is.

00:54:06 --> 00:54:09

And subhanAllah, like, I didn't even say anything

00:54:09 --> 00:54:11

to anyone, to any human being. And don't

00:54:11 --> 00:54:13

tell me this is a common gift, like

00:54:13 --> 00:54:15

the to speakers, to a Muslim speaker given.

00:54:15 --> 00:54:16

This is not a common gift. Muslims usually

00:54:16 --> 00:54:17

look for me swag,

00:54:17 --> 00:54:19

letter, prayer mat. These are you know, you

00:54:19 --> 00:54:22

probably know. Right? These are the common gifts

00:54:22 --> 00:54:24

that muslims would give us specifically to give

00:54:24 --> 00:54:24

airport.

00:54:25 --> 00:54:26

In a situation which I was about to

00:54:26 --> 00:54:28

order 1. Okay. Now can someone come to

00:54:28 --> 00:54:30

say, look, therefore Islam is true. Allah has

00:54:30 --> 00:54:32

given me something that I was about to

00:54:32 --> 00:54:35

get directly exactly I was given. I'll say

00:54:35 --> 00:54:37

no. Personal experience is not a proof,

00:54:39 --> 00:54:40

for other people.

00:54:41 --> 00:54:43

For you, it can be okay, that there's

00:54:43 --> 00:54:45

a sign that maybe okay, there's something happening

00:54:45 --> 00:54:47

here, but it's not an objective,

00:54:47 --> 00:54:49

evidence. Now Now we're asking those Christians, not

00:54:49 --> 00:54:50

to, don't come and tell us I've seen

00:54:50 --> 00:54:52

Jesus in my dream. Look, we've heard the

00:54:52 --> 00:54:53

stories

00:54:53 --> 00:54:55

many, many, many, many times like you can

00:54:55 --> 00:54:57

watch the videos like there's endless people with

00:54:57 --> 00:54:57

the same story.

00:54:58 --> 00:55:00

What proof objective can you present

00:55:01 --> 00:55:03

to show us as as you said? Because

00:55:03 --> 00:55:05

I'm I'm I'm scared. Aren't you scared that

00:55:05 --> 00:55:06

if you upon falsehood, you're gonna be in

00:55:06 --> 00:55:08

the sun and have fire? We are Halas,

00:55:09 --> 00:55:12

we've studied Christianity. We looked at scriptures. We

00:55:12 --> 00:55:13

looked at the evidences. We looked at the

00:55:13 --> 00:55:15

history. We've given you explanations of what these

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verses say. We're telling you names of books

00:55:16 --> 00:55:18

in which most Christians wouldn't do because we

00:55:19 --> 00:55:21

are people of investigation. When we say we're

00:55:21 --> 00:55:22

scared, we actually acted upon it. Now the

00:55:22 --> 00:55:24

question is returning back to him, have you

00:55:24 --> 00:55:25

looked into

00:55:26 --> 00:55:28

Islam? Have you actually looked at the evidences

00:55:28 --> 00:55:30

that Muslims present? Because the same thing you

00:55:30 --> 00:55:31

said, Allah He said his wife sent them

00:55:31 --> 00:55:33

all the books and he read all, he

00:55:33 --> 00:55:34

read everything.

00:55:34 --> 00:55:35

He said he had everything to do with

00:55:35 --> 00:55:37

Islam. I highly doubt that if he was

00:55:37 --> 00:55:39

not sure whether Muslims believe Jesus came back

00:55:39 --> 00:55:41

or not. Yeah. I highly believe that. I

00:55:41 --> 00:55:42

I would hardly,

00:55:43 --> 00:55:44

doubt that because this is like a basic

00:55:44 --> 00:55:47

thing if you're just looking into similarities or

00:55:47 --> 00:55:49

differences between Islam and Christianity. Yeah. I had

00:55:49 --> 00:55:50

many people who say I've studied Islam for

00:55:50 --> 00:55:52

20 years and I just ask them basic

00:55:52 --> 00:55:52

questions that

00:55:53 --> 00:55:54

there's nothing there. So,

00:55:55 --> 00:55:57

we would say Allah just says explicitly in

00:55:57 --> 00:55:57

the Quran.

00:55:58 --> 00:56:00

All your religion acceptable in the sight of

00:56:00 --> 00:56:01

God is Islam.

00:56:03 --> 00:56:05

Whoever seeks any other religion other than Islam

00:56:05 --> 00:56:06

might be accepted from him. As you said

00:56:06 --> 00:56:08

the hadith of prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam. No

00:56:09 --> 00:56:11

Jew or Christian will hear about me and

00:56:11 --> 00:56:12

does not believe in me or that which

00:56:12 --> 00:56:14

I was sent with depending on the generation

00:56:15 --> 00:56:17

except that we will enter the hellfire.

00:56:18 --> 00:56:19

Jesus the son of Mary, peace be upon

00:56:19 --> 00:56:22

him. Allah is mentioning him in the Quran.

00:56:22 --> 00:56:23

He said to his people.

00:56:25 --> 00:56:26

All my people.

00:56:27 --> 00:56:29

Worship Allah my Lord and your Lord. Go

00:56:29 --> 00:56:31

to the bible, chapter 20 of John verse

00:56:31 --> 00:56:33

17. Jesus says, I'm going back to my

00:56:33 --> 00:56:35

Lord and your Lord, my father and your

00:56:35 --> 00:56:36

father. Same statement.

00:56:37 --> 00:56:39

Worship God, my Lord and your Lord.

00:56:40 --> 00:56:41

And then he says

00:56:42 --> 00:56:43

whoever associates

00:56:44 --> 00:56:44

Allah

00:56:46 --> 00:56:48

paradise is gonna be prohibited for him. He's

00:56:48 --> 00:56:50

not gonna enter paradise. Oh, that's scary. And

00:56:50 --> 00:56:51

that is scary. And his abode will be

00:56:51 --> 00:56:52

the hellfire.

00:56:53 --> 00:56:55

And the wrongdoers will not have any allies.

00:56:55 --> 00:56:57

So are you saying now

00:56:57 --> 00:56:59

blatantly that if anyone worships Jesus

00:57:00 --> 00:57:02

as a god or a son of god

00:57:02 --> 00:57:04

and dies on that Mhmm. So Michael Francine

00:57:04 --> 00:57:06

right now, he can just make the shift

00:57:06 --> 00:57:07

and say, look. I'm gonna worship the one

00:57:07 --> 00:57:09

Jesus worshiped. That's different. But if he was

00:57:09 --> 00:57:10

worshiping

00:57:10 --> 00:57:12

Jesus now and he dies on that, he's

00:57:12 --> 00:57:13

gonna go to the hellfire?

00:57:13 --> 00:57:15

Absolutely. Why don't you follow what Jesus told

00:57:15 --> 00:57:17

you? Jesus taught you the heavenly father prayer

00:57:17 --> 00:57:19

that you call it, which is our father

00:57:19 --> 00:57:21

and But who but who are you to

00:57:21 --> 00:57:22

send people to *?

00:57:22 --> 00:57:24

This is a great question. I'll answer by

00:57:24 --> 00:57:26

responding that I don't. The one who does

00:57:26 --> 00:57:27

is the creator and that's why we're asking

00:57:27 --> 00:57:29

for proof and evidences. For where is from

00:57:29 --> 00:57:31

God and why is from man? Why is

00:57:31 --> 00:57:32

from humans? So it's been changed and manipulated.

00:57:33 --> 00:57:35

And we'd say Jesus himself, whom you call

00:57:35 --> 00:57:35

your God,

00:57:36 --> 00:57:37

he's told you to worship the father alone,

00:57:37 --> 00:57:39

never told you to worship him.

00:57:39 --> 00:57:42

And in Matthew chapter 7 verse 21, he

00:57:42 --> 00:57:44

says in the in that day, the second

00:57:44 --> 00:57:46

coming, what he will say to the people.

00:57:46 --> 00:57:47

They will come to him and they will

00:57:47 --> 00:57:49

say, Lord, Lord, we've done many miracles in

00:57:49 --> 00:57:51

your name. They'll say, Lord, they'll call him

00:57:51 --> 00:57:53

Lord, Like the Christians today do. And they

00:57:53 --> 00:57:55

will say, we've done many miracles in your

00:57:55 --> 00:57:57

name. Cast out demons in your name. And

00:57:57 --> 00:57:59

then what is Jesus gonna say? Get away

00:57:59 --> 00:58:00

from me. I never knew you.

00:58:01 --> 00:58:02

This is in the Bible by the way.

00:58:02 --> 00:58:04

This is not reciting the Quran or something.

00:58:04 --> 00:58:06

Saying the biblical teachings. And then he will

00:58:06 --> 00:58:08

say, you lawless, you don't do the will

00:58:08 --> 00:58:09

of the father, you don't do the work

00:58:09 --> 00:58:10

of the father. It's about

00:58:11 --> 00:58:12

father. It's about doing the law. It's about

00:58:12 --> 00:58:15

obeying the father. It's about doing these things

00:58:15 --> 00:58:16

and not like what Paul told you or

00:58:16 --> 00:58:18

what anyone else told you. So if you

00:58:18 --> 00:58:19

are scared

00:58:20 --> 00:58:21

about being in the hellfire,

00:58:21 --> 00:58:23

if I were you, I would do my

00:58:23 --> 00:58:24

research. If I were you, I'll look what

00:58:24 --> 00:58:27

is the objective evidences that Christianity is true

00:58:27 --> 00:58:28

and it cannot be that I'm born in

00:58:28 --> 00:58:30

a Christian society. John 316.

00:58:31 --> 00:58:33

Absolutely. Same thing. God so loved the world

00:58:33 --> 00:58:35

Yes. They hate you. That he sent. Yes.

00:58:35 --> 00:58:35

Yes. They give.

00:58:36 --> 00:58:37

His only

00:58:37 --> 00:58:39

son? Yeah. But they say begotten and then

00:58:39 --> 00:58:40

they say that begotten is a fabrication. What

00:58:40 --> 00:58:43

if you translate it like this? If you

00:58:43 --> 00:58:43

say, look,

00:58:44 --> 00:58:45

because a lot of things have been mistranslated,

00:58:46 --> 00:58:48

you know, because you have in Hebrew and

00:58:48 --> 00:58:50

Latin, Greek Yes. Now you're in English. So

00:58:50 --> 00:58:52

for God so loved the world I'll I'll

00:58:52 --> 00:58:54

I'll take that first. No problem. Yeah. Yeah.

00:58:54 --> 00:58:55

For God for God so loved the world.

00:58:55 --> 00:58:57

You can you can put it in a

00:58:57 --> 00:58:58

in a way that we would agree with.

00:58:58 --> 00:58:59

Can you? Yeah. No. No. There's nothing wrong

00:58:59 --> 00:59:01

with it. Yeah. For for God so loved

00:59:01 --> 00:59:03

the world that we have the problem with

00:59:03 --> 00:59:04

the Sunday. Yeah. But it says for whoever

00:59:04 --> 00:59:06

believes in him do you believe in him?

00:59:06 --> 00:59:08

I believe in him. Yeah. Shall have eternal

00:59:08 --> 00:59:10

life shall have eternal life. So we believe

00:59:10 --> 00:59:11

in you. Yes. So if you change if

00:59:11 --> 00:59:12

you say for who,

00:59:13 --> 00:59:14

for God so loved the world that he

00:59:14 --> 00:59:16

sent his only servant Yes. Because in the

00:59:16 --> 00:59:19

language of the Jew, son meant servant. Yes.

00:59:19 --> 00:59:21

Someone who is the man of God. Right?

00:59:21 --> 00:59:24

So who believes in a servant, messenger, Jesus,

00:59:24 --> 00:59:26

like we do Yes. Shall have what? Eternal

00:59:26 --> 00:59:28

life. So what's the problem? No problem. We

00:59:28 --> 00:59:30

believe in that. That's it. And And even

00:59:30 --> 00:59:31

that word begotting that was there in the

00:59:31 --> 00:59:33

scriptures been removed. It out. Yeah. Check open

00:59:33 --> 00:59:35

yourself the the King James and then open

00:59:35 --> 00:59:37

the other ones in IV. They will say

00:59:37 --> 00:59:38

to you that this is doesn't exist in

00:59:38 --> 00:59:40

them. Islam Muslims and Christians are saying this.

00:59:41 --> 00:59:42

And so we don't have to deal with

00:59:42 --> 00:59:43

begotten at all.

00:59:43 --> 00:59:45

Go ahead. Finish what you're saying. Yeah. And

00:59:45 --> 00:59:46

I was I was just gonna say on

00:59:46 --> 00:59:48

this idea of sun as you said, sun

00:59:48 --> 00:59:50

meaning it takes care of you, etcetera. Or

00:59:50 --> 00:59:52

if you wanna take it, it's not unique

00:59:52 --> 00:59:54

to Jesus. Like, whichever way you wanna take

00:59:54 --> 00:59:55

it, the whole Bible says, let's be the

00:59:55 --> 00:59:57

peacemakers for they shall be called the sons

00:59:57 --> 00:59:59

of God. Ephraim is the first born. David

00:59:59 --> 01:00:00

is the begotten son of God in this

01:00:00 --> 01:00:03

case. David? Yeah. In Psalms 27. Begotten is

01:00:03 --> 01:00:05

called. You are my son today. I begotten

01:00:05 --> 01:00:07

you. This is in in 2 Psalms. Right?

01:00:07 --> 01:00:08

Adam is the son of God and in

01:00:08 --> 01:00:10

the bible, all of these things. So this

01:00:10 --> 01:00:12

son cannot mean what Christians understand it to

01:00:12 --> 01:00:14

mean. Mhmm. And we would say if you're

01:00:14 --> 01:00:16

saying whoever believes in Jesus, if this verse

01:00:16 --> 01:00:18

means whoever believes in Jesus will have eternal

01:00:18 --> 01:00:18

life,

01:00:19 --> 01:00:20

Muslims believe in Jesus.

01:00:20 --> 01:00:22

I and the father are 1. You and

01:00:22 --> 01:00:24

the father are 1. We'll say, okay, again,

01:00:24 --> 01:00:26

I always ask this question. Right? Why don't

01:00:26 --> 01:00:27

we look at the context? Right? What is

01:00:27 --> 01:00:29

the context? What does the context say? And

01:00:29 --> 01:00:30

most of them don't know. So Jesus was

01:00:30 --> 01:00:33

walking in Solomon's Porch. The Jews surrounded him,

01:00:33 --> 01:00:35

they said, who are you? Tell us clearly.

01:00:35 --> 01:00:36

He's, he said,

01:00:37 --> 01:00:38

are you the messiah? Tell us clearly. He

01:00:38 --> 01:00:39

says, I told you, but you don't believe.

01:00:39 --> 01:00:41

Then he talks about his followers. He says,

01:00:41 --> 01:00:42

they are my sheep. No one can plug

01:00:42 --> 01:00:43

them out of my hand. No one can

01:00:43 --> 01:00:45

plug them out of my father's hand. So

01:00:45 --> 01:00:47

he's talking about plugging the believers out of

01:00:47 --> 01:00:48

his hand. Then he says, I am my

01:00:48 --> 01:00:50

father and one in this, that we can

01:00:50 --> 01:00:51

no one can take the believers out of

01:00:51 --> 01:00:52

our hand. But now,

01:00:54 --> 01:00:55

here is the interesting thing is this, is

01:00:55 --> 01:00:56

that the Jews

01:00:57 --> 01:00:59

misunderstand Jesus exactly like the Pharisees that they

01:00:59 --> 01:01:01

have a problem with. Because the Pharisees picked

01:01:01 --> 01:01:03

up stones to stoned Jesus, misunderstanding

01:01:04 --> 01:01:05

this verse. Like the Muslims telling them you're

01:01:05 --> 01:01:08

misunderstanding this verse. Same exact thing, subhan'Allah.

01:01:08 --> 01:01:10

And they try to stone him. And then

01:01:10 --> 01:01:13

Jesus, says why are you stoning me, for?

01:01:14 --> 01:01:15

You stoning what of the which of the

01:01:15 --> 01:01:17

good works that I'm doing, the signs that

01:01:17 --> 01:01:18

I'm showing you that I'm from God, are

01:01:18 --> 01:01:20

you stoning me? They say we stone you

01:01:20 --> 01:01:22

not for the good works, but for blasphemy

01:01:22 --> 01:01:24

because you're a man claiming to be God.

01:01:24 --> 01:01:25

So far, this is a belief of who?

01:01:26 --> 01:01:28

Christians. Christians believe Jesus using this verse, the

01:01:28 --> 01:01:30

statement is claiming to be God. Yeah. Now

01:01:30 --> 01:01:31

if Jesus is God, they say, of course

01:01:31 --> 01:01:32

I'm God. What what are you talking about?

01:01:32 --> 01:01:34

Oh, blasphemy. I cannot don't blaspheme. I'm God.

01:01:34 --> 01:01:37

Perfect perfect opportunity. Absolutely. In fact, he now

01:01:37 --> 01:01:39

corrects them and I believe this verse there

01:01:39 --> 01:01:41

is a clear refusal of him of the

01:01:41 --> 01:01:43

idea of him being God, divine.

01:01:44 --> 01:01:46

Because if he was, he will accept it.

01:01:46 --> 01:01:47

In fact, this verse is one of the

01:01:47 --> 01:01:49

strongest, I believe. Strongest verses because he's refused

01:01:49 --> 01:01:51

and rejecting the claim that they're making about

01:01:51 --> 01:01:53

him that he's blaspheming. He said to them,

01:01:53 --> 01:01:55

does it not say in your scripture, quoting

01:01:55 --> 01:01:58

Psalms 82 verse 6, that you are gods

01:01:59 --> 01:02:00

and the sons of the most are you

01:02:00 --> 01:02:02

are gods. Right? Doesn't it say in your

01:02:02 --> 01:02:03

scripture that you are gods?

01:02:03 --> 01:02:05

So he's saying to them, the biblical language,

01:02:05 --> 01:02:07

you're not only called the sons of God,

01:02:07 --> 01:02:09

you're called gods yourself, and that does not

01:02:09 --> 01:02:12

make you the almighty one. Because God called

01:02:12 --> 01:02:13

you in the Old Testament, the Psalms, he

01:02:13 --> 01:02:15

called the judges of the Jews gods. But

01:02:15 --> 01:02:17

that doesn't mean people now started saying they're

01:02:17 --> 01:02:18

blaspheming.

01:02:18 --> 01:02:21

They are called god God by God himself.

01:02:21 --> 01:02:22

Then he said, I only said I'm Ben

01:02:22 --> 01:02:23

Elyon, son of God.

01:02:24 --> 01:02:26

I didn't say I am God. I said

01:02:26 --> 01:02:27

I'm the son of God. So if he

01:02:27 --> 01:02:30

was trying to claim divinity and if it

01:02:30 --> 01:02:31

was the trinity was true,

01:02:32 --> 01:02:34

this response would make zero sense Mhmm. That

01:02:34 --> 01:02:37

Jesus gave. So I would say, okay, we

01:02:37 --> 01:02:38

love this verse that you brought because it's

01:02:38 --> 01:02:39

evidence against

01:02:39 --> 01:02:40

you. This,

01:02:41 --> 01:02:42

John 10 with the context,

01:02:43 --> 01:02:45

30 and the context before and after till

01:02:45 --> 01:02:48

34 or 35 is evidence against Christianity. And

01:02:48 --> 01:02:51

son of God again Yes. Stressing Absolutely. This

01:02:51 --> 01:02:54

is not literal son. Absolutely. Absolutely. So this

01:02:54 --> 01:02:56

is where many Christians, they Deviate. They see

01:02:56 --> 01:02:57

this in the Bible as the Son of

01:02:57 --> 01:02:59

God, Son of God. But if you go

01:02:59 --> 01:03:01

deep into the land, the Jews didn't understand

01:03:01 --> 01:03:02

it like that. For me, it's really funny

01:03:02 --> 01:03:04

because, like, let's assume if I was, like,

01:03:04 --> 01:03:06

upon, like, Christianity or something,

01:03:08 --> 01:03:09

and I'm trying to make sense of the

01:03:09 --> 01:03:10

concept of God.

01:03:11 --> 01:03:12

There's a trinity.

01:03:12 --> 01:03:13

Jesus is God, but he's the son of

01:03:13 --> 01:03:15

God. So Jesus is the son of himself.

01:03:16 --> 01:03:18

I'm just trying to make sense of that.

01:03:18 --> 01:03:20

How can you be the son of yourself?

01:03:21 --> 01:03:23

How can you be giving birth to your

01:03:23 --> 01:03:24

own self?

01:03:24 --> 01:03:26

So that's why when you meet Christians and

01:03:26 --> 01:03:27

ask them, what is Jesus? Many of them

01:03:27 --> 01:03:28

say the son of God. You say, is

01:03:28 --> 01:03:29

he God? They say, no, he's the son

01:03:29 --> 01:03:31

of God. But do you believe in the

01:03:31 --> 01:03:33

Trinity? Yes. And then you have to explain

01:03:33 --> 01:03:34

to them if you believe in the Trinity,

01:03:34 --> 01:03:35

that means you believe Jesus is the divine.

01:03:35 --> 01:03:38

Because they themselves naturally, their fitra, their innate

01:03:38 --> 01:03:40

disposition that is given by God, every human

01:03:40 --> 01:03:41

being has upon,

01:03:42 --> 01:03:43

which is to believe in one God.

01:03:44 --> 01:03:46

It leads them to this that that Jesus

01:03:46 --> 01:03:47

is not God.

01:03:47 --> 01:03:48

And that's why when they did the survey,

01:03:48 --> 01:03:50

I believe in America. I wanna see majority

01:03:50 --> 01:03:52

overwhelming majority of Christians don't believe Jesus is

01:03:52 --> 01:03:55

God. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Over off around 50%.

01:03:55 --> 01:03:57

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because their innate disposition

01:03:57 --> 01:03:58

is that they think a son of God

01:03:58 --> 01:04:00

is different than God. Mhmm. And and they

01:04:00 --> 01:04:02

think you're more of a father son relationship.

01:04:02 --> 01:04:04

And in the mind of most Christians, they're

01:04:04 --> 01:04:06

separate. So this idea of the trinity in

01:04:06 --> 01:04:06

reality,

01:04:07 --> 01:04:09

overwhelming majority of Christians don't understand and don't

01:04:09 --> 01:04:11

believe. Everyone believes whatever he thinks,

01:04:12 --> 01:04:14

the Trinity means. So let's close it up

01:04:14 --> 01:04:16

here. We invite Michael Mhmm. Francine to come

01:04:16 --> 01:04:19

on the program. Come sit, with us, talk

01:04:19 --> 01:04:21

with us. If you're sincere, if you really

01:04:21 --> 01:04:23

wanna know about Islam, we're here to help

01:04:23 --> 01:04:25

and then make an educated decision. So how

01:04:25 --> 01:04:27

would you, in a nutshell, before we conclude,

01:04:28 --> 01:04:30

what is it? Because people think, okay, Islam

01:04:30 --> 01:04:32

came with Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him,

01:04:32 --> 01:04:33

it's a new religion,

01:04:33 --> 01:04:36

Islam came, Christianity was there before,

01:04:36 --> 01:04:38

how would you go ahead and make sense

01:04:38 --> 01:04:40

of it? Like starting from the first man

01:04:40 --> 01:04:40

Adam,

01:04:41 --> 01:04:43

Jesus practiced Islam, he was a Muslim, people

01:04:43 --> 01:04:45

were like, what are you talking about? You're

01:04:45 --> 01:04:45

lying.

01:04:46 --> 01:04:47

How how would you how would you connect

01:04:47 --> 01:04:50

this to see Islam is the original natural

01:04:50 --> 01:04:52

way that started with the first man Adam?

01:04:53 --> 01:04:54

Subhanallah.

01:04:55 --> 01:04:56

We'd first say, what is the definition of

01:04:56 --> 01:04:59

the word Islam? Yeah. Very briefly. Islam is

01:04:59 --> 01:05:00

coming from the word aslamah in the Arabic

01:05:00 --> 01:05:02

language which means to submit.

01:05:03 --> 01:05:05

Muslim, if you translate it literally means submitter.

01:05:06 --> 01:05:07

Islam means submission.

01:05:07 --> 01:05:09

So if someone walks around and says I'm

01:05:09 --> 01:05:10

a submitter,

01:05:10 --> 01:05:12

I'm a submitter, that means he's saying I'm

01:05:12 --> 01:05:13

a Muslim. It's the same thing, but we're

01:05:13 --> 01:05:15

just translating to you the words so you

01:05:15 --> 01:05:16

can understand this meaning.

01:05:16 --> 01:05:19

So submitting to to what or submitting to

01:05:19 --> 01:05:21

who submitting to the one true God, the

01:05:21 --> 01:05:22

God of Abraham.

01:05:23 --> 01:05:24

Abraham did not believe in a trinity.

01:05:25 --> 01:05:27

Abraham did not preach a trinity.

01:05:27 --> 01:05:29

Noah did not preach a trinity. They did

01:05:29 --> 01:05:30

not believe in a trinity. They did not

01:05:30 --> 01:05:33

talk they spoke about 1 God alone, worthy

01:05:33 --> 01:05:36

of worship without no partners. That God, submission

01:05:36 --> 01:05:38

to that God, that God of Abraham is

01:05:38 --> 01:05:39

what it means to be a Muslim which

01:05:39 --> 01:05:41

makes all of the prophets of God Muslim

01:05:41 --> 01:05:43

based on that, that they submitted. But they

01:05:43 --> 01:05:46

come with different shari'as. Sharias means a legislation

01:05:46 --> 01:05:48

for the people in the dealings. The beliefs

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are the same of all of the messengers.

01:05:49 --> 01:05:51

There is one God where you worship his

01:05:51 --> 01:05:53

angels in hellfire. All of these are the

01:05:53 --> 01:05:54

same with all of the messengers. So the

01:05:54 --> 01:05:56

theology, if you wanna call it, is the

01:05:56 --> 01:05:57

same, but the practicality

01:05:57 --> 01:05:59

of the things to do with the society

01:05:59 --> 01:06:00

can change based on the needs of the

01:06:00 --> 01:06:02

people and that is from the wisdom of

01:06:02 --> 01:06:04

God. And based on that, we say that

01:06:04 --> 01:06:06

they were Muslims. But the Quran says something,

01:06:06 --> 01:06:08

important. Chapter 3 of the Quran, if you

01:06:08 --> 01:06:10

wanna go over 60, 63,

01:06:10 --> 01:06:12

64, etcetera. Allah says,

01:06:13 --> 01:06:15

people of the and come to a common

01:06:15 --> 01:06:17

term between us and you. That we worship

01:06:17 --> 01:06:20

none other than Allah alone. We don't associate

01:06:20 --> 01:06:20

with him anyone.

01:06:21 --> 01:06:23

So this is the message that we're calling

01:06:23 --> 01:06:25

Christians to. Then in the next verses Allah

01:06:26 --> 01:06:26

says

01:06:27 --> 01:06:28

that Abraham

01:06:29 --> 01:06:30

was not a Jew or a Christian.

01:06:32 --> 01:06:34

Now the question is, Allah Azzawajal

01:06:34 --> 01:06:36

is asking a question in these verses.

01:06:37 --> 01:06:39

How can Abraham or how can you say

01:06:39 --> 01:06:41

Abraham was a Jew or a Christian when

01:06:41 --> 01:06:43

there was no Torah or Injil except after

01:06:43 --> 01:06:45

him? There's no Torah or gospel or anything

01:06:45 --> 01:06:47

to do that except after Abraham. So Abraham

01:06:47 --> 01:06:48

could not have been

01:06:48 --> 01:06:49

Christian.

01:06:49 --> 01:06:52

Abraham could not have been a Jew. So

01:06:52 --> 01:06:53

if Abraham could not have been a Christian

01:06:53 --> 01:06:54

or a Jew, because a lot of people

01:06:54 --> 01:06:56

don't know history, Jew, you wanna say from

01:06:56 --> 01:06:57

Judaism, Judaism, Judah,

01:06:58 --> 01:06:59

who was from,

01:07:00 --> 01:07:02

Jacob, who was from Isaac, who's from Abraham.

01:07:02 --> 01:07:03

So it's way later if you wanna take

01:07:03 --> 01:07:05

it from Judah, or you wanna take Moses

01:07:05 --> 01:07:06

who was also way later after Abraham.

01:07:07 --> 01:07:08

Either way, he could not have been a

01:07:08 --> 01:07:10

Jew. And he could not have been a

01:07:10 --> 01:07:11

Christian for sure, but he's even way later

01:07:11 --> 01:07:13

on. So Abraham here could not have been

01:07:13 --> 01:07:15

Jew or Christian. Do you ask every person,

01:07:15 --> 01:07:16

did Abraham submit to God when God told

01:07:16 --> 01:07:17

him take your son to,

01:07:18 --> 01:07:20

slaughter him? Did he did he submit to

01:07:20 --> 01:07:22

God? Yeah. Could you submit to God more

01:07:22 --> 01:07:23

than this, your own son?

01:07:24 --> 01:07:25

Your only son that you got when you're

01:07:25 --> 01:07:26

very old.

01:07:28 --> 01:07:29

And God is saying to you,

01:07:30 --> 01:07:32

sacrifice him. That time he only had Ishmael.

01:07:32 --> 01:07:34

He didn't have Isaac. One son under old

01:07:34 --> 01:07:37

age. God said sacrifice him. This is the

01:07:37 --> 01:07:38

ultimate way of submission.

01:07:38 --> 01:07:40

And that's why we say Abraham was a

01:07:40 --> 01:07:42

Muslim. Abraham circumcision, we find it from Abraham

01:07:42 --> 01:07:44

how to pray these things that we're doing

01:07:44 --> 01:07:45

as Muslims. Because a lot of people say

01:07:45 --> 01:07:47

this is Judaism. No, it's not.

01:07:47 --> 01:07:50

It's teachings of Abraham and Abraham was not

01:07:50 --> 01:07:52

a Jew. So Allah says

01:07:54 --> 01:07:55

Abraham was not a Jew or a Christian,

01:07:56 --> 01:07:57

but he was a true monotheist.

01:07:58 --> 01:07:59

And he was from the Muslims. He was

01:07:59 --> 01:08:01

from those who submitted their will to Allah

01:08:01 --> 01:08:03

Now we're asking for evidence. Bring us evidence.

01:08:03 --> 01:08:06

Could Jesus have ever been Christian? Impossible. Could

01:08:06 --> 01:08:08

Jesus have ever been a Jew? Impossible. Could

01:08:08 --> 01:08:10

he have been a Muslim with the definition

01:08:10 --> 01:08:13

that Muslims have? Yes. Did he, do the

01:08:13 --> 01:08:16

things that Muslims do? He did. And based

01:08:16 --> 01:08:18

on that we say, this is the teachings

01:08:18 --> 01:08:18

of Islam.

01:08:19 --> 01:08:20

Be upon the same way for Abraham because

01:08:20 --> 01:08:21

we all agree.

01:08:22 --> 01:08:24

We all must and the Christians and the

01:08:24 --> 01:08:26

Jews agree on Abraham and we say we

01:08:26 --> 01:08:28

believe in him. This is our invitations to

01:08:28 --> 01:08:30

the Christians and the Jews to be upon

01:08:30 --> 01:08:33

the same millah, the same belief that Abraham

01:08:33 --> 01:08:35

was upon. And I mean, this is just

01:08:35 --> 01:08:37

another interesting thing that when you read the

01:08:37 --> 01:08:39

Bible and you see him on the, Sermon

01:08:39 --> 01:08:41

on the Mount and he's wearing the white

01:08:41 --> 01:08:43

thobe almost, that's what you're wearing, you would

01:08:43 --> 01:08:45

resemble Jesus more than they have the resemblance

01:08:45 --> 01:08:47

of people in churches. True. True. Because I'm

01:08:47 --> 01:08:49

from the Middle East. Isn't it? And I

01:08:49 --> 01:08:51

always mention this this example to the people

01:08:51 --> 01:08:53

is like, imagine seeing a man with a

01:08:53 --> 01:08:53

beard,

01:08:54 --> 01:08:57

from the Middle East falling on his face,

01:08:57 --> 01:08:58

like Matthew 2639

01:08:59 --> 01:09:02

says, and saying Allah because Jesus spoke Aramaic.

01:09:02 --> 01:09:03

So he said Allah.

01:09:03 --> 01:09:05

And, his mother is covered and he says

01:09:05 --> 01:09:06

to you I fast and he says to

01:09:06 --> 01:09:07

you I'm circumcised.

01:09:08 --> 01:09:09

What religion would you say he is? A

01:09:09 --> 01:09:10

lot of people say Jewish. No, it's not

01:09:10 --> 01:09:12

Jewish because Jews do not, have the same

01:09:12 --> 01:09:14

covering all the time. Some of them have

01:09:14 --> 01:09:16

some positions. 1 some cover somewhere,

01:09:16 --> 01:09:18

we call it the hair, the extensions, and

01:09:18 --> 01:09:20

these have things that say we're covering the

01:09:20 --> 01:09:20

head of anything.

01:09:21 --> 01:09:23

And then you have saying Allah. You have

01:09:23 --> 01:09:24

the Jews saying Allah.

01:09:25 --> 01:09:27

That's how he called God. Allah. Yes. Yes.

01:09:27 --> 01:09:29

Jesus. Yes. This is what Jesus said. I'm

01:09:29 --> 01:09:30

prostrating on the floor when you pray the

01:09:30 --> 01:09:32

way we do. Yes. Yes. This is not

01:09:32 --> 01:09:33

something the Jewish people do, so don't tell

01:09:33 --> 01:09:34

me this is Judaism.

01:09:34 --> 01:09:37

So if you see someone doing that you'll

01:09:37 --> 01:09:38

say it's a Muslim

01:09:39 --> 01:09:40

but this is literally

01:09:41 --> 01:09:42

what Jesus did

01:09:43 --> 01:09:44

from the Christian scripture.

01:09:45 --> 01:09:47

Well, no. As I give you references, it's

01:09:47 --> 01:09:48

not from the Muslim scriptures, it's from the

01:09:48 --> 01:09:49

Christian script. Go to any church, marriage is

01:09:49 --> 01:09:50

covered.

01:09:50 --> 01:09:52

Jesus is a picture with a beard. You

01:09:52 --> 01:09:54

see Jesus falling and prostrating praying as it

01:09:54 --> 01:09:55

is in Matthew 2639.

01:09:56 --> 01:09:57

All of these things,

01:09:58 --> 01:09:59

circumcision, all of these things. You see that

01:09:59 --> 01:10:01

the Bible is showing that this was the

01:10:01 --> 01:10:03

identity of Jesus. And my question is, is

01:10:03 --> 01:10:06

this the identity of you, the Christian today?

01:10:07 --> 01:10:09

Is this how you, behave? Is this how

01:10:09 --> 01:10:10

you pray? Is this how you dress on

01:10:10 --> 01:10:11

your women dresses?

01:10:12 --> 01:10:13

So if you wanna say, oh, oh, yeah.

01:10:13 --> 01:10:14

Okay. We'll follow Jesus. Where is your following

01:10:14 --> 01:10:16

of Jesus? Is it the Muslims that are

01:10:16 --> 01:10:18

following Jesus? Or is it the Christians that

01:10:18 --> 01:10:19

are following him? Him? This is the question

01:10:19 --> 01:10:22

that we'll put forward. Last thing, usually you

01:10:22 --> 01:10:24

start bringing these truths and it connects with,

01:10:24 --> 01:10:26

like you were saying, the, fitra, the innate

01:10:26 --> 01:10:28

disposition. It makes sense. Worship 1 and only

01:10:28 --> 01:10:30

1 God. Absolute pure monotheism.

01:10:30 --> 01:10:33

Mhmm. Being morally upright, but then you get

01:10:33 --> 01:10:35

a a machine gun of, attacks. Islam

01:10:36 --> 01:10:37

is about terrorism,

01:10:38 --> 01:10:41

and Islam oppresses women, and the list goes

01:10:41 --> 01:10:43

on Yes. Of all of these, you know,

01:10:43 --> 01:10:45

silly Misconceptions. Misconceptions. And,

01:10:46 --> 01:10:48

in in a nutshell, you know, what would

01:10:48 --> 01:10:49

you say to, Michael's

01:10:50 --> 01:10:53

the former mafia boss and who's probably you

01:10:53 --> 01:10:55

don't know anything about Islam but he's been

01:10:55 --> 01:10:58

programmed to look at it negatively because of

01:10:58 --> 01:11:00

all the misconceptions that have been pushed out

01:11:00 --> 01:11:03

by the hate industry. Absolutely. We will

01:11:03 --> 01:11:05

say that 2 simple things. 1st is in

01:11:05 --> 01:11:07

order for you to be sincere, you need

01:11:07 --> 01:11:09

to investigate claims made about any position. Right?

01:11:10 --> 01:11:12

Because the default position is your enemies, you'll

01:11:12 --> 01:11:14

mischaracterize them, you'll misrepresent them. If you're in

01:11:14 --> 01:11:16

a mafia, you probably know how you deal

01:11:16 --> 01:11:18

with other enemies. Right? So you probably you

01:11:18 --> 01:11:20

would probably have a a lot of experience

01:11:20 --> 01:11:21

when it comes to that. Right? So you

01:11:21 --> 01:11:23

will say is you misrepresent your enemies. So

01:11:23 --> 01:11:25

in order for you to know the truthfulness

01:11:25 --> 01:11:26

of someone is that you need to to

01:11:26 --> 01:11:27

do some

01:11:27 --> 01:11:29

investigation. And you're welcome to watch brother Eddie's

01:11:29 --> 01:11:31

videos, the videos that we do, the videos

01:11:31 --> 01:11:33

that brothers do clarifying any of these things.

01:11:33 --> 01:11:36

Multiple videos on women, multiple videos on terror,

01:11:36 --> 01:11:38

all of these things. Multiple podcasts has been

01:11:38 --> 01:11:40

done on these issues. You're welcome to investigate

01:11:40 --> 01:11:43

and look that, this is not accurate in

01:11:43 --> 01:11:44

any way, shape, or form.

01:11:45 --> 01:11:46

And this is the message that we give.

01:11:46 --> 01:11:48

Do an some investigation.

01:11:48 --> 01:11:51

Look actually through this and sit down and

01:11:51 --> 01:11:52

talk with the Muslim.

01:11:52 --> 01:11:55

The Muslim. We extend an open invitation

01:11:55 --> 01:11:56

to anyone

01:11:57 --> 01:11:58

to come, sit down,

01:11:59 --> 01:12:02

investigate, listen, and I'll make a challenge now.

01:12:02 --> 01:12:04

Is whatever you're going to bring and say

01:12:04 --> 01:12:05

it's a criticism of Islam,

01:12:06 --> 01:12:08

I'll find you more severe in Christianity.

01:12:09 --> 01:12:12

Here. We're putting this as as a statement

01:12:12 --> 01:12:13

to do these people if you wanna come

01:12:13 --> 01:12:15

and sit down and bring me. You want

01:12:15 --> 01:12:17

to talk about women. I would recommend you

01:12:17 --> 01:12:19

read first Timothy what Paul says about about

01:12:19 --> 01:12:21

women, where he says the woman should be

01:12:21 --> 01:12:23

silent, it should not speak because the man

01:12:23 --> 01:12:25

came first, and the woman came late the

01:12:25 --> 01:12:26

woman the woman came later

01:12:27 --> 01:12:29

and the the pain of pregnancy is because

01:12:29 --> 01:12:31

of, Eve dead. And the woman, if she

01:12:31 --> 01:12:33

doesn't cover her head in first Corinthians chapter

01:12:33 --> 01:12:34

11 verse 7, she'll be shaved, 6 and

01:12:34 --> 01:12:36

7. And I I'm gonna give you these

01:12:36 --> 01:12:38

things. And the woman cannot get divorced in

01:12:38 --> 01:12:39

Islam. The woman can be divorced. If you

01:12:39 --> 01:12:40

want to talk about women, we can talk

01:12:40 --> 01:12:42

about women. If you want to talk about

01:12:42 --> 01:12:44

violence and this and that, we can talk

01:12:44 --> 01:12:46

about verses. You go to 1st Samuel 15

01:12:46 --> 01:12:47

verse 3 and

01:12:47 --> 01:12:48

how, infants are slaughtered,

01:12:49 --> 01:12:51

by God's command, not just people's command. God's

01:12:51 --> 01:12:53

command in which you will not find. Who's

01:12:53 --> 01:12:55

supposed to be Jesus? Yes. In this case,

01:12:55 --> 01:12:57

the Trinity including Jesus. Right? Because a lot

01:12:57 --> 01:12:58

of people wanna throw out their old testament

01:12:58 --> 01:12:59

under the bus, but you can't because it's

01:12:59 --> 01:13:01

still the same God. And you say we're

01:13:01 --> 01:13:03

not gonna you're not gonna find anything similar

01:13:03 --> 01:13:06

in Islam. That's why I say whatever criticism

01:13:06 --> 01:13:08

you would try to use and twist, we

01:13:08 --> 01:13:09

can find it to you in

01:13:10 --> 01:13:12

previous, but that's not our job. We're not

01:13:12 --> 01:13:13

trying to do that because we as you

01:13:13 --> 01:13:15

saw in our discussion, we're not trying to

01:13:15 --> 01:13:18

do this. We are trying to clarify the

01:13:18 --> 01:13:18

truth to the people,

01:13:19 --> 01:13:21

and bring them closer to that which God

01:13:21 --> 01:13:23

wants from you because in the end, Jesus

01:13:23 --> 01:13:25

is our prophet and messenger. Moses is our

01:13:25 --> 01:13:27

prophet and messenger. We believe in all the

01:13:27 --> 01:13:28

prophets and messenger. God. If we don't, we

01:13:28 --> 01:13:30

cannot be Muslims. If I don't believe in

01:13:30 --> 01:13:31

Jesus, I'm not a Muslim. It's an article

01:13:31 --> 01:13:33

of faith. If I don't believe in Moses,

01:13:33 --> 01:13:34

I'm not a Muslim. So we're not trying

01:13:34 --> 01:13:35

here to make a competition. In fact, the

01:13:35 --> 01:13:36

prophet explicitly

01:13:37 --> 01:13:39

forbid us from making the comparison in a

01:13:39 --> 01:13:42

belittling way between the prophets and the messengers.

01:13:42 --> 01:13:44

Yeah. So we welcome everyone insha'Allah into the

01:13:44 --> 01:13:46

fold of Islam. Just don't throw stones from

01:13:46 --> 01:13:49

a glass house. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Be respectful.

01:13:49 --> 01:13:50

Be sincere.

01:13:50 --> 01:13:52

Let's sit and have a dialogue. Let's talk.

01:13:52 --> 01:13:53

Michael, come come.

01:13:54 --> 01:13:57

Let's meet up and, this is, Muhammad Ali

01:13:57 --> 01:13:58

from the Muslim Lantern.

01:13:59 --> 01:14:00

Yes.

01:14:01 --> 01:14:03

My pleasure. Pleasure, being here. May Allah bless

01:14:03 --> 01:14:05

you all. You too, brother. Thank you for

01:14:05 --> 01:14:07

being with us. And thank you guys for

01:14:07 --> 01:14:09

tuning in. And if you wanna go ahead

01:14:09 --> 01:14:11

and see for yourself, you wanna read the

01:14:11 --> 01:14:12

book that makes these claims

01:14:13 --> 01:14:16

that talks about Jesus, his blessed mother Mary,

01:14:16 --> 01:14:17

and many of the things that we're talking

01:14:17 --> 01:14:19

about, paradise, the hellfire, the explicit

01:14:20 --> 01:14:23

descriptions of the hellfire, and the glad tidings

01:14:23 --> 01:14:25

of paradise for those who worship god almighty

01:14:25 --> 01:14:27

alone, the creator of Allah, who do good

01:14:27 --> 01:14:30

deeds, who are upon righteousness, the forgiveness of

01:14:30 --> 01:14:31

God, the mercy of God. All these things

01:14:31 --> 01:14:33

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