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He goes to the scholar system I've killed 100 can Allah forgive me?

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Now look at the difference between when you ask, you know the guy in the Boston Globe the big beat when he asked him and he asked him,

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he says to the men and who can stand between you and Toba?

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Now, we're talking advanced thinking now we're talking I like this thing. He system for you to make Toba. You got to leave this environment. It's a very bad environment and the people they're not helping you in doing good. There is a town there is an area go there. There are good people. These people will help you worship Allah and they will help you pull up and change.

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So the man was in see he packs his stuff and heads off to the town. On the way Deaf meeting he dies.

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So the angels of forgiveness come down and the angels of punishment come down.

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And there's an argument

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the angels of mercy said but he made over

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the angels of punishment said no, no, no, he killed 100 people and he didn't complete his job but he was on the way.

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So Allah sends down a third to be a judge between them.

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The angel says measure the distance.

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If he is closer to the town of sin, Dilip the angels of punishment take him.

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But if he is closer to the town of forgiveness, the lit the angels of mercy taking.

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So they measured the earth and unfortunately for him he was closer to the town of sin.

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authentic hadith in Bukhari, a law ordered the US to change its dimensions and maybe one more hand span closer to the town of mighty

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Salaam Salam Alaikum Welcome back to another episode of boys in the cave. My name is Hans and I'm joined by my co host Raphael. Josh is in a bit of a break at the moment by humbler we actually joined by a special guests in the cave today. Before we jump straight into it, I just like to let our audience know that you can actually support this podcast if you go on Patreon. So just check out slash boys in the cave. But today we're actually joined by a deep brother, Mohammed hubless speaker die in the community and obviously worldwide people know him through you know, YouTube, our favorite platform formula so, Salaam Alaikum Brother Mohammed, homeless and welcome to

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boys in the cave wa Alaykum wa Salaam warahmatullahi wabarakatuh and Salaam Alaikum to all the brothers and sisters that are tuning in. Thank you guys for having me my last panel what Allah reward you and bless you so far like who have coming out you know this way we know it's like you made a joke about it when I was messaging you about like should I bring my passport along via the law? Like I'm glad you made it this way. I didn't know Muslims live this far out in Sydney so good to see ya like even in that's what they actually started greensquare Masjid like a dear brother Ahmed because a lot of like there's a lot of Bengali Muslims out here as well.

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Probably not from either the voice lactic kind of communal aspect. So I guess we have a green square I mean, how far do you have to travel to get azoth Ottoman oceanian

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up the M five probably like 20 minutes so that you know it is

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like I wanted to ask you actually specific question in regards to your Facebook page. Cuz I remember Steve blease you did a live stream with him. This was like a couple of months back. And you mentioned you actually don't have any Facebook accounts like dedicated to you and all the ones that are actually out there are more just fake accounts here is that is that correct? Like to kind of like there's like four or five mama topless Facebook accounts with your photo that aren't actually yours? Yeah, yeah, we'll get you started by touching a nerve right away. So not look. Yeah, I don't have anything. I don't have any social media. What are your thoughts on social media? I always like

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to ask, you know, when our community this question.

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Well, look, I think social media is definitely a platform that's undeniable it's there. It's extremely powerful. It's used you know, it's the modern, the modern age it's how people communicate.

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But I want to separate myself now from shutout and halal and haram and I'm not saying this is right or wrong or halal or haram. All that i'm saying is that for myself, personally, that's not a path that I want to take. So I mean, I do use this. I mean, I use the social

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Network platform

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where a lot of the videos are shared and used. But I myself personally, I don't have any

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anything to do with social networks. I don't have a Facebook account, I don't have

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like a Snapchat or, or an Instagram. I don't have any of those mediums. And I think YouTube is one of the the big ones to you know, being able to disseminate videos around the world was actually a very interesting story. I had a friend from Belgium, and they came here and they started linking me videos. And I said, Oh, my favorite. Danny lives in Australia. And he kept sending me He's like, I like this, this Greek chef, and he sent me an I saw you.

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Greek as the Greek chef.

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I remember coming to me, like, I'm pretty sure he's Lebanese, you know,

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it's the surname, it's the last. But apparently people people can can benefit from your videos on the line places even like Belgium and, and in in Northern Europe as well. So I think in terms of that ability to reach because that's something that we haven't really had in the past. Yeah. Look, again.

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It's a great way to communicate. You know, it's,

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it's a fine line. And again, I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm not saying lol is haram.

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But, you know, I do my best to avoid social media because,

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you know, it's about the message, not about the individual.

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So I don't look at myself as a

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Actually, I'm not I mean, I'm not a chef. I'm not I'm I'm not a scholar of any by any means. I'm not a learned man by any means. I'm just a regular brother, who, who loves his Deen and, you know, I love to speak about a line the best way that I know how. And that's pretty much it. I mean, it stops there. And I don't believe because unfortunately, what I do see happening is Dean and Tao is taking this celebrity

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excuse me, you know, this celebrity status, where it's about followings. You know, I follow this person and I follow that person. And, and, you know, I mean, I know internally, that it gets to the brothers, you know, how many likes Do you have and how many? And Allahu Allah, I think, I think that

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it hurts the message. It hurts. Because, you know, this Deen is not about individuals. It's not about praising individuals. We're all sinners. We all make mistakes. We're all fallible, where, you know, it's about Allah and His Prophet and his Deen. You know, it's not about glorifying individuals.

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So that's, you know, I mean, I do my best to avoid social media. And I mean, of course, it opens, you know, it opens other doors fitnah you know,

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now you've got private access. People can, you know, what's the term? the MMU is it? Yeah. What, what's what's your

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direct message? direct message? Right. So, so, you know, so now I'm at home and, you know, I can have a DM from anyone, male or female, anywhere around the world?

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And, of course, I mean, you know, it falls under art or for the sake of Alliance. Come on, man, who you kidding? You know, I mean, I know myself, I know my weaknesses. And if I've got sisters that are dming me privately, me, honestly, I'll be clean shaven by the end of the week. So yeah, I don't want to know about it to be able to stay away from it as much as possible. Because you yourself, you're pretty unique position where you sit, you know, you don't obviously have your own kind of social media. But you know, you're very much you know, shared and your videos get shared and viral on YouTube, all that sort of stuff. So, how did you initially get started on that front? Because, you

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know, usually, for videos to go viral, you need like a big platform, and you need to upload the video and stuff, but not specifically about the videos, but also like, how did you even come into giving down and speaking about the deen on these kinds of

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Look, I I came into it.

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When it was never planned. You know, it's not something I woke up one day and decided or, you know, I want to be a speaker.

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You know, I mean, I'm an electrician by trade. So that's what I do for a living.

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But I'll tell you what did happen. When I saw what would happen was like, I was going to a lot of Friday hood buzz

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and all the great talks

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and all the great talks.

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Sorry, not great talks. I would eat great content, but delivered very poorly.

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And I remember sitting there listening and thinking man had you just said it like this, it would have been a lot more effective. Or had you not said this and said you know so. So I mean I would listen to the machine or

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Whoever was speaking, you know, I think many, you're throwing out gold here, but that, you know only for was packaged differently. And so then sort of slowly, whenever I would get a chance, or someone who told me, you know, do you want to say a couple of words?

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You know, like, I'd be passionate. And of course, I love my Dean, I love a lot I love speaking about Dean, I think it's the best topic in the world. It's, it's, it's just, it's the best, it's the greatest, there's nothing better to talk about.

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And then just slowly, slowly, I mean, you know, give talks, and the you may was a great platform for me.

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You know, shared email last month, Tyler adim, who would allow me to get up at the camps and give a talk and, and then it sort of just snowballed from there. So, you know, you'll make camps and then it became a hot day here. And then a funeral here and a funeral. And it's sort of just, but it's not something I ever intended. I mean, I never woke up thinking, This is what I want to do. And I guess it's unique way now I get, I've seen like, You flew out to UK to do talks there, if you remember. So, how's the journey been for you so far, in regards to

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you know, they always say all praises due to a lion or thanks to him will lie, I've been showered with blessings that I don't deserve. But Allah gave him to me. So I thank him for Allah 100 Allah.

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It's been amazing. You know, I've traveled the world. I've met Muslims in all, it's just the best and like, I can't hide that it's been amazing online. hamdulillah.

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If I had to ask you, like, what's been your most memorable moment, then asked me that.

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What's been my most memorable moment, like or memory cherish was doing well, you know, it could be bumping into someone that you've looked up to a Muslim bloke you've looked up to when you're young or anything like that. I'm

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really picking at me now.

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Look, there's been many, nothing specifically comes to my mind right now. But um,

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yeah, just many things like traveling the world.

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You know, I've been fortunate to go

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to go to Saudi to Mecca and Medina multiple times. And that's been a great honor. I think that's been a lot. That's been awesome.

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Taking brothers with me when I go to these places, sharing my experiences with them there.

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And seeing their reaction seeing their faces seeing it's, it's gold.

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And even, you know, we're kind of focusing more on you experiences, you know, in the Dow, what's been your experience, because you're born and bred in Sydney. Right, right. Yeah. So how's the experiences been like growing up in Sydney, because for us, you know, the reason why we started boys in the cave is that we had different experiences going up. And we felt that a lot of the stuff that we had to face like, you know, me,

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going into science class, and then getting hit with theory of evolution, and then you find a man shred away, you know what I mean? Like, we've had kind of different experiences me and rough, I've had a very different reason. hombu law. So that's your review? Yes. Everyone just assumes I'm Syrian or Lebanese? Where are you from? background Italian, mostly Italian. Is that with a good looks come from? I don't know about this Ferrari was that.

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But you know what I mean, like, rough. Oh, we did an episode with him. We touched on how he has had different, you know, battles when he, you know, became Muslim. So we've had kind of unique experiences. That's why we share them on boys in the cave. But I guess even for yourself might be a bit different. But what's been your experience and what's the kind of main kind of, you know, experiences you've had of your upbringing in Sydney in the Muslim community and how it's kind of also changed as well. I want to ask you about that.

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I don't see my upbringing to be anything unique or special.

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Or relate to, I mean, most Lebanese, most Lebanese Muslims. I think we all come from a pretty similar local hamdulillah. I came from a very good home, you know, very loving mum and dad and who did their best me wasn't the most overly religious family. But they did their best, you know, so there was some Dean to some extent, I always knew that I was Muslim from when I was young.

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But I guess like anyone in my age growing up and the schools we went to and hanging out with the boys that I was hanging out with.

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Then wasn't the most important thing to us. It was all about

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you know, living life and trying to make a name for yourself and trying to get ahead and try to fit in with everyone and

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Yeah, like, it's not a special journey that there's, there's, you know, I mean, I'm just thankful to Allah that Allah subhanaw taala picked me up at an early age,

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you know,

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but my upbringing,

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I feel has played a big role in my power.

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In that, look, I believe the most effective, the eyes and machine are the ones that are homegrown. Because they know that people, they know the situation, they know the circumstances, right, so they can relate.

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And Allahu Allah, I think that's, that's one of my benefits is that when I speak to my audience, when I speak to people,

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I don't have to convince them. I know their lives. I know what they're living through. I know what they're going through. Sorry, you know. And I think I can relate that back to Dean. And

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so it helps, I think for our international listeners, because we have quite a few listeners overseas in places especially like the US, there are a great deal of shoes. And this is not a criticism of the show in Sydney, but there are a great deal of shows in the area that have really their finger deeply on the pulse. There's also probably could argue not enough of them in general, but that have different but I remember watching your videos, even probably before I was Muslim, about the you know, there's no Muslim gangsters and the videos on mental health that you did that was quite recent, about a phenomena such as you know, lying to the government in centerlink. And these these

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kinds of things, you know, that are occurring, unfortunately, within within the Muslim community. So I wonder, what do you think of how the community like what sort of direction is it heading? And what sort of direction? Are the leaders heading to deal with these issues? And what do you think is the best way to deal with these issues?

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Coming from a homegrown die?

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Yeah, this is, this is a bit of a tough one.

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Look, my personal approach is,

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you know, how do I say this in the most politically correct way.

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I know we're in deep, very deep.

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And I don't have the time, nor the luxury to sit down and worry about what people think about me and how I look and the way I'm doing things. The way I look at it, is we're drowning, this almost drowning, and we need to help. So you know, forgive me if I'm a bit loud, and forgive me, if I'm a bit rough around the edges, we need help, we need a lot of help. So and we have to do what we need to do to help. Now, I think different machines come from different backgrounds, different upbringings. And that plays a big role.

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And, you know, to be fair to them, sometimes I feel like we ask too much from the machine.

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You know, what are the roles?

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You know, like, how do we define the role of a chef? Because there are people that I talked to?

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And they really believe that machines are like angels who have these superpowers? And can do you know that you go to the chef for everything you got to him when you're sick, you got to him when you need help you got to him when you have problems, you got to him when you need to be inspired, you got to him when you're down, you got it. You know, I mean, he's a human being who's very limited in his knowledge, and he only has so many tools that he can help you with, you know, what are we asking of them?

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Yeah, but I mean, as far as the dollar, and where's it heading?

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Look, I see a lot of positive

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things, and I see a lot of good changes. And then also see a lot of negative, I sometimes feel, you know, like sometimes you work hard and you feel like you know what, we're finally moving forward. So I can take one step back. And then I'll say something that I said

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we haven't moved any shoe actually going backwards.

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But I think people need to be a lot more realistic.

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You know, I would love love for Michelle or Aloma, whoever it is to be on the ground, to be on the ground because there's a big, big gap between the books, and what's happening outside on the road, you know, what's happening outside on the streets, what's happening in people's homes, in people's businesses in workplaces. You know, there's a massive gap so you can have all the knowledge in the world. But if you cannot relate to the people that you're talking to the What good is

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you know, and that and that was one of the most unique things about the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam was that anyone who sat in front of him could relate to him.

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You know, he was from he was from the ordinary people.

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So the poor men could come to him and feel comfortable.

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And the elite, you know, in the statesman, and you know, and the elite of their people could also come to him and see and talk to him and relate. So he was very, very unique in that sense.

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Stories, even from Christian writers is really interesting. You mentioned that because I was reading Edward Gibbon talking about the first fall offer. And he actually wrote about Bob Dylan. And he said that this man was one of the greatest generals who ever lived and one of the greatest statesmen who ever lived. But one day there was a Persian emissary who came to find, you know, the caliphate of the Muslims. And they found him asleep with the poor people on the steps of the masjid. And so it's really kind of highlights the kind of Sunnah and the way that Muslims are supposed to be living in that we are meant to be no matter how who you are, no matter how much knowledge you have is so

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important to be on the ground with the people and relating to the people and kind of helping them in the way that they need to be hoped. Well, I mean, there's, there's a very nice Hadith, where the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, he says that the savior of the people is the hardest, you know, that the leader of the people is the one who serves these people, as one that's on the ground and helping out and

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I think there's a lot of work to be done. You bring up a good point you mentioned, you know, businesses and families, being in a mess. And, you know, the more you kind of engage with the Muslim community realize, you know, there's a lot of marriage workshops now. Because for the fact that there's so many issues in households, you know, whether it could be abuse, or you know, children's not treating their parents, right, or vice versa. And then you see business malpractices by Muslims, and because I do like side business, but not for Muslims by just see malpractice everywhere you see injustice everywhere. And it's just like every facet, we've just not really showing that we, we, we

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are you know, uphold or we are following the suit, not to the tee, you know, and I think it, what would you say then would be the responsibility for just, you know, a lay Muslim, like, who just going to the dean, he realizes there's all these issues, but the real issue becomes like, where do you start? You don't? I mean, what would you advise to that little child?

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Keep it simple. Start with what you can start with what's in front of you. Don't worry about what's coming and what's around the corner, what's around the bend, just take every day as it comes and start learning your basic start learning your fundamentals. Because, you know, when you've got the basics and the fundamentals, then everything can everything feeds off that

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you know, so when you know the basics of your deen the basics of your Lord, the basics of the Quran, and the Sunnah, what it means and I'm saying real basics,

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then all knowledge can be built on that, you know, or manners can be built on that or Loving can be built on that forgiving, you know, loyalty, everything builds off that, but when you don't have the foundation, correct. That's when you get lost in the world. You know, that's when you businesses then go on your marriages don't work out your because the core isn't correct. So for instance, you mentioned about your background, and how science and the theory of evolution. You know, I was in the I was in New Zealand recently.

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And I had a number of uni students

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come to me to talk to me, and you know, look, can I pull you aside to speak to you? So I was like, yeah.

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And I'm not joking. 98% of them all had the same question for me. And basically, they were questioning the existence of God. And these are Muslims born Muslims raised Muslims who?

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And I found and all of them went to uni. I'm thinking what's the link here?

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See, because when you don't have the foundations of your deen, then no matter where you go, there's a fitna for you. So this, you know, so there's guys and girls are going to unis and they're going wherever it is that they're going in, they're learning new things. They're seeing new things,

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things that they didn't know before. Now, when you when your foundation in your DNA isn't correct, it can shake you.

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Whereas when you know that a soul of your deen when you know the fact you know the fundamentals of your faith, then when you go to uni, or you go to a school or you go to a new job, or whatever the case may be, it won't shake you it won't knock you off your feet. No, because that's what it's built on. So I'll give you like a small example. When you know your faith in you know the fundamentals of your deen. Then when you go to study science, everything you learn will only make you glorify a lot more and more because you know who's behind everything.

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But when you don't have

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and now you're learning of people that are non Muslims and, you know, and and and now they're pushing and they're questioning and

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You know, he can really shake you off your feet. That's pretty profound point you bring up in terms of, you know, knowing your deen or the fundamentals because even as Muslims that are born Muslim they go into uni. If you ask them, you know, who is Allah described to me Allah, they don't know what to say. Like they'll say they'll think of you know the Christian nice version of God like all his some god man in the sky. But we know arcada is so profound if you just study I guess the history and you know, all about a lot in described in Islam. You know, outside time and space, all these fundamentals, it makes you realize that, you know, there's so much wisdom in the deen that gets

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overlooked by just you know, it also reminds me of a story that that I'm sure I've mentioned it on the podcast before but a father didn't. Rossi was introduced to a woman, the great theologian for holiday, Rosie. And he was introduced to an old lady and they introduced him as the man who knows 1000 proofs for a law. And the old lady said, if he if he didn't have 1000 deaths, why does he need 1000 proofs and I said, Man, give us all the faith of old ladies.

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And so I think that that there's something very profound in that in that in knowing your your deen and knowing your like the AMA, the practice of your deen and making, you know, really, really trying to connect with Allah subhanho wa Taala in your in your daily in your daily practice in your daily life and whatever it may be,

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then everything else falls into place around that and nothing else from outside can bother can really interfere with and bother you if you're if you're set in that practice. And I think that's that's a very profound point.

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In terms of

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the direction we mentioned, referred to by direction of the Muslim community. Because you've traveled in around the world, you've experienced different communities, I assume. So where do you think the Sydney community sits? In regards to the rest of the world? Is everyone kind of the home on the same boat sort of thing? Or are we falling away? I think I think our problems are universal.

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Our problems are universal. In general,

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I believe Sydney's ahead of the game. As far as dean and our

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Sydney is,

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I mean, I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. As far as my Dean is concerned. There's so much happening in Sydney. But a lot of

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kind of universal issues are they're facing the Muslim community. Honestly, it's all the same.

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lack of faith, doubting God's existence,

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insecurities, love of dunya, wealth, fame, money, you know,

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all the issues identified, you know, but I mean, that's, you know,

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lost identities.

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You know, we're all there's just so much more life is so much our problems are so much.

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And, and, and the universal you know, like, Yeah, I don't know how deep you want to go, but

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as deep as you, you know, you'd like to but yeah, like I

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you know, we look at our problems as Muslims and we say, you know, Muslims have problems.

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And over the last year, I see, and I feel like I Lost Planet Allah is up from Allah, Allah, but I feel like my heart is

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I feel like our problems are way beyond Muslims. I think humanity as a whole is suffering.

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You know, humanity as a whole is suffering. Do you think generally human society has just declined? I feel like we're declining rapidly.

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Well, it just, it's sad. It's, it's, it's very, very sad. It's very unfortunate. Because we have the medicine, we have the recipe, we have the solution. We know. But who's there, you know, who's there to fulfill it, who's there to uplift this Dean who's there to, you know, spread this message and, you know, and actually live by it? Very, very few of us. You know, so we, and, you know, depending on where I am different circles. I feel like, I feel like everyone's missing the elephant in the room. You know, everyone's concerned about what's happening with them, you know, that Muslims are under attack or, you know, it's the media that's against us or, or, you know, look, you know, for

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some people, his biggest problem is the fact that his measured is, you know, for other people, it's like their little organization and you know, so it's like, bro, you've the whole world is suffering. The world is suffering. humanity as a whole is declining rapidly, and you're worried about what the United States should

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Here's an attack on not just Islam, but religions as a whole, all faiths, the concept of faith is being attacked, it's being destroyed, the violated, you know, values

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being attacked, and what values are there to replace those values that they're attacking? And I thought was exactly, you know, like, I mean,

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you know, like, if you were to ask me a year ago, I would have said here that, you know, it's us against them, you know, Muslims against the rest of the world.

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Now I look at as in anyone who believes in God is under attack.

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Anyone who has any sort of faith Abrahamic faith, where he's hanging on to some values, you know, in a world that's gone mad,

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you know, he's, he's under attack, you know, it's belittled, it's really cooled, it's made fun of more and more people are hiding their belief in God, being more and more ashamed of their faith. You know, so for me, I don't just look at it from a Muslim perspective, like, I look at it as a whole. And I think, what's happening, you know, like, I just sorry, like, I know, I'm jumping around.

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But you know, how we're all saying about

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that, when your faith in God is stronger than everything else can build up. You know, sometimes I'll be watching a very unique documentary. And it's the coming up with amazing stuff, you know, and you listen to the narrator, and he's blown away with the facts of, you know, it could be an insect or a creature or sun, you know, and he speaks about the unbelievable, you know, the system and how it works, and how things are coming together. And it's got a lot all over it, you know, and it's, you know, and he's speaking, like, almost like, this is, this is a miracle upon a miracle. And then at the end of a row, he'll say, you know, and this is how Mother Nature I wanted.

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I just,

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honestly, like, forget from a Muslims perspective, how can you be or have such a system or a creature, you know, and you've spoken about it in depth. And then at the end of it all, he wraps that up with, you know, wraps that up with, and that's how Mother Nature, who, what is Mother Nature, like, Who is this? But you know, her I said, God, I'm backwards.

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You know, I'm backwards, but he says Mother Nature and Evans are well, that's amazing.

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Well, my shocks me every time he hits me so hard, you know, that, you know, they'll be looking at intricate details of amazing science research.

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And they're blown away and things that I can't explain and they know they can't explain it. Right. And they mesmerized with the mathematics and this and that and, and then at the end of this is how Mother Nature one of them

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at will lie sometimes, you know, I scratch and I look around.

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And, and I'm the one that's hiding my faith in God.

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That's backwards.

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You just went through a whole one hour documentary speaking about things that you you know, humans and scientists, the most advanced researchers can't, you know,

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but that's how

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I find it interesting. And I think

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online it's so sad, you know, and But yeah, I think I think I think all religions under attack Abrahamic religions altogether being attacked on the belief in God and values, values.

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values, like the big elephant in the room that I guess the rest of society is missing out on. Yeah, absolutely. I came from that very Society of, you know, being the attacker. I was one of those people I was one of I was like, a strong atheist die if you if you like, you know, and atheists die. Yeah, why not?

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But I came from that background and I think what really struck me and what turned me away from that life was that one how I felt inside

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to you kind of reach a point where you're like, but there's there's nothing to this and then when you when you feel that there's nothing to this in the kind of vision you have for for life and what you believe life is, then there's nothing to yourself.

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Maybe that would make sense that makes sense to me. Makes sense. I was my whole life was that you know, disputing these ideas of God. I thought the idea of God was backwards and I'd go to all my friends I went to a Catholic school. And I'd be like, how can you believe in this? How can you believe in this? And

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I suppose when when I one day, it struck me it was actually from a one part video come up. No, no, no. One particular camera saw that video I talked about a lot and he was talking

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In response to an atheist video I've talked about on my podcast before, but just the way he was speaking was filled with something that I didn't understand. And that was beauty. And that was

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a richness and a passion. And when I started to study Islam, I found that, and I hadn't found that in anything else. And I think that what we're talking about is the decline of human civilization. And I think that part of that declining human civilization is because all of that richness, all of that beauty

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is being lost. And what's replacing it is this vapid culture of, of, you know, basically just

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there's no values that are fixed anymore. Everything is changing. It's it's a brutal, cruel, angry, bitter world, selfish world, it's all about me.

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It's all about me, you know, as long as I'm happy,

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you know, and, and, and Subhanallah, like you find Dean is the exact opposite. Dean is never about you. It's always about a lion, others, helping others, assisting others, being at the aid of others, you know, thanking Allah knows, knowing that whatever you have never came from you. There's, like, I feel like, there's this obsession with the me. I

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you know, and he, like,

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again, I, I don't know about you guys. But for me, it's like,

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just what a lonely world, man, it's all about me, you know, and no matter who gets hurt, and no matter what damage is done, I talk I feel like everyone is on this quest. Like, we're all on this big search. You know, I got to find my way.

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You know, it's just like the, you know, it's just like the guy who, you know, she's like, the narrator in the documentary. I think, you know, this Mother Nature wanted it, you know, so now I've got this people who don't want God don't want faith don't want. That's fine. Well, I genuinely and I really mean that. That's your business, you know?

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But then what are you filling it up with? So now everyone's on a quest? You know, I've got to find my way. And I'm thinking your way to what?

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Like, what you know, on your way to what you did, I can't remember what it was, well, I can't remember if it was a movie or something. But I remember. So sounds like a bit of a comedy.

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And then one guy said the other, you know, he said to him, Have you found Jesus?

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And the guy goes, I didn't know I was supposed to be looking for him.

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You know, like, I didn't know I was supposed to be looking for him. What's. So it's just.

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And you know, like, I find this in as Paula I was, I was

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something I heard once in a debate between a Muslim and an atheist.

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And the Muslim he said something very, very unique. He said, one of the saddest things about being an atheist is when you reach the pinnacle of your life,

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who do you have to think?

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That reminds me, because we had a fellow brother in the cave, get married recently. And also check bill all the new and he was like facilitating the whole kind of marriage. And what happened was that I think it was a quote from the Quran, I can't remember off the top of my head, but he said that

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the fact with you know, male, and women get married.

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And, you know,

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two lovers come together, and obviously throw hell all the way through her marriage. But he said that, she said that, it's not just the fact that they fell in love, and they came together, that and they got married. It's the fact that Allah brought them to to get through love. You know, even to that level worship still thinking Allah. It's been it's small, if you really contemplate the fact that you know, love. And when you get married in the hallway, it's Allah who brings you together. So he's still thinking align that process. So as you mentioned, that

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was an atheist day. It's like, they don't have much to go by essentially. Yeah, I mean, who do you Who do you think? Who do you think? You know, it's all about me? Yeah, and that's, I mean, in a whole I see this godless society. You know, that's all about me. It's all about you. It's all about you know, you being and it's very, very unfortunate and for Muslim men as the exact opposite. For the Muslim he knows that no matter what they have, that that didn't come from them.

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Be your knowledge, your strength, your money, your mind, your power, your connections, your family, your good looks, anything you have

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as a genuine believer.

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You know that all thanks to Allah subhanaw taala

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Good, I have that from Milan, whatever bad or evil, then that's from my own doings.

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Even What if, for example, we have, you know, non Muslims listen to podcasts and they hearing what you're saying. But they kind of counter argument would be? No, look, we have technology. Look, we have a lot of our charities that are, look, I donate, look, we've improved lives, beacons, V. And that's very important as all hamdulillah. And you know, we've done all this medicine, and we're helping people and, you know, medical centers and hospitals, and we've done all this stuff. So I don't know what you're exactly relating to, was your response be to someone like that?

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I mean, I don't see where that clashes. Humans have always aspired to be the best that they can throughout the ages. So I don't see why. I mean, yes, we've advanced technologically, I think no one can deny that. Are we doing great things? Like I mean, do we have great services? Yes. But honestly, in your heart of hearts, do you feel deep down in your heart? As human beings morally? Are we moving forward? Or are we going backwards?

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You know, I lived in a time where we didn't have great advancements, like when I was young, right?

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What's that? Late 80s. Okay.

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And we I mean, Mom and Dad were very simple people very simple upbringing. But I caught the very last of it. You know, when I say this, more and more lately. I remember growing up, we used to put money in an envelope. We lived in a block of units. We still put money in a yellow envelope, leave it outside on the doors, close the door. we'll wake up in the morning and they'll be milk bottles they

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can we do that today?

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Mother Mother talks about that. Like there wasn't a single security camera. There wasn't a single Nothing.

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Nothing. There was absolutely nothing, not a lock on a door nothing. We could put money in an envelope with full it wasn't the thought of it being stolen wouldn't even cross your mind. Like it's just no way.

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And we used to do that. And I'm not talking about some weed. But I'm talking about Sydney, Australia here and Mina in the backyard. Right? We still leave money in an envelope, go to sleep and in the morning, guess what was there? Two fresh bottles of milk? Could we do that now with all of our advancements?

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Yeah, my grandmother is obviously a migrant from the Mediterranean area as well. So she always talks about how back in the day they leave the front door open, and you need to play in the street. And she's like, I'd never do that. Now. If I was a mother back coming in now, I would never do that. So

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look, all advancements are good. But not when they come at the cost of the morals and integrity and the value of the human being then it goes back to the mimimi thing so it relates to your story. Honestly, when was the last time you had a genuine conversation with someone without looking at your phone?

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Honestly, I challenge you to come up with something I can't even say no.

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Right when when

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me personally like yes we are advancing but at what cost?

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what cost?

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I can't sit with my kid for three minutes

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without looking at my phone.

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So yeah, have we moved forward technologically Yes.

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Again at what cost?

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What are we look at sometimes I look at the world and I find that very interesting right?

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And going back to you know this godless society and God is backwards fine.

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But then every action of human is crying out for God

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do you see that? Or honestly Am I an alien? I see it everywhere in society you know you know I feel like humanity is crying out for help.

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It's like no one can hear it you know no one hears the cry

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Are you making reference in directly to for example you know non Muslims are partying drinking it Muslims Muslims Muslims more than the non Muslims but yeah, exactly. Going out partying and you know, this this I want to relieve myself. I want to have fun, right? Great. But then what? But then what? Sometimes I see people

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coming home after a party

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you seem to have bugga Daya.

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This so

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drained and it's like the dragon themselves back home.

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Coming back to reality, you know,

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it's well, I feel like we're living a life where no one wants to face the music. No one wants to take the bull by the horns. There's just covering up cover in a cover up cover ups. We're all wearing masks. You know, we're all wearing masks.

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If it's like me, me about me,

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like, for example, he talked about, you know, essentially, they want to fill that void. But

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what's the end goal? You know, they just want to be happy, they might as well you know, sit in a chair, find some dopamine in their brain feel happy. And that's pretty much the reason for their existence. But I'm saying even more like, even with that.

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I'm telling you now between us three, let's come up with a definition of happiness.

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From like, Yeah, but like, see already, there's a clash in your mind. Okay, are we going to speak from a Muslim perspective? Are we going to speak about happiness, happiness, apparently, everyone is chasing happiness, we all want to be happy, and we want to be free. And, you know, like that, you know, and you get these slogans thrown at you all the time that I want to be free. What is freedom? Who defines freedom?

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You know, it's, it's, I feel like we're chasing a unicorn.

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That doesn't actually exist.

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Yeah, it's a unicorn. We're chasing unicorns. This happiness? Yeah, I mean, I can't even define it. I don't even know what it is.

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What is happiness? You know, and we're like, any, you know, we don't have much time. But you know, I can get into it through anything and everything. You know, like, I see two people getting married, glitter in their eyes. And you know, this is gonna last forever. And then, three weeks later, it's over.

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The Where did all the love go? Where? Where did all the, you know?

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No one, like, what are you chasing? What do you after? Let's first define it, let's first draw a picture. So we all know what we're looking for.

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But you don't know it? Like, you know, and it's just I feel like we're just we're all over the place, man. We're all over the place. Do you feel like one of the main issues obviously facing the whole world is like the rise of mental health problems not known as mental but the rise of mental health issues. And now, suicide is the leading leading cause of cause of death for men under the age of 40. And that that's also in the Muslim communities. Yeah, of course, as well. So do you think that this kind of tracing of this false happiness is one of the main reasons? Yeah,

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absolutely. I mean, going, going back to what you were saying to me about,

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about advancements? Yeah. And when I was saying to you, you know, every action of society is like, it's a cry for help. With all of our advancements, right? With all of our tech. Look at it as a is domestic violence. Is that on the rise? Or not? Yeah. Drug Abuse? Is that on the rise on?

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insecurities, anxiety? Is that on the rise or not?

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suicide? Is that on the rise or not?

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family problems? Are they on the rise on divorces? Are they on there? And

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honestly, is this a sign

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of progress? Or are we going backwards man?

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And again, like, it's a cry for help? It's a cry for help. What would you because you're touching on happiness before defining happiness? How would you define happiness? Again, like, I don't want this to be about me. But I know from a Muslims perspective,

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look, what you know, what makes things very easy for me is that Allah and His Prophet have told me everything that I need to know. Allah didn't leave it to me to chase around and come up with a definition of happiness. A lot did that for me. You know, he sent me a prophet, who showed me the path, told me about life and told me about myself

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and gave me the formula. You know, everyone's trying to reinvent the wheel and we always come back to the same destination. You know?

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So, you know, chasing happiness. Allah has told me what happiness is. Allah is told me where I can find contentment. Allah has taught, you know, like, all of these things have been shown to me, success. Every human being wants to be successful. There's not a human being on Earth, no matter where they come from, except that there's an there's a natural instinct in them. There's a quest to be successful. Right? what is success, ultimate success. Allah says, Whoever enters paradise

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This is the greatest success of all.

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That's life, you know? So yeah, that that's so for me, Dean has made it easy. You know, one of

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I'll tell you how my Dean has made my life simple. I'll share this with you guys. I know we don't have much time, but I'll share this with you.

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One of the things about Islam that has really given me a big boost in life

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is that Allah in the Quran has told me about myself. And when you hear it, and you learn it and you embrace it,

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life becomes so much different. For instance, Allah says in the Quran, the holy cow in Santa bifa

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the human being was created.

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As soon as I read that, and I heard it and and I embraced it.

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I stopped trying to be strong.

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And just embrace the fact that I'm weak and that I need a lot.

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And when you embrace it, and RME weekers and you give up on life, and that's, that's not what I mean, right? This, this this, and honestly, just go look at the Lebanese community. Just go and look at our young boys. Everyone's trying to be what everyone wants to be tough and strong and happy, where you where you going, you're weak, whether you like it or not luxuriated, you weak. When do you become strong?

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You're strong when you're with a law

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because he's all strength.

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So when I'm with all strength, I become strong.

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But so long as I'm not with all strength, no matter what you do, and what you're taking you will never be strong.

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Allah says the human being by nature, the human beings ignorant is a fool.

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When do I become knowledgeable?

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When do I become wise? Only when I'm with a law

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dog back to the narrator who speaks for two hours about the most amazing scientific only one line knowledge upon knowledge and how does he wrap it up?

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Is our Mother Nature want to

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wear it all? Right, so when is the human actually when they're with Allah?

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Allah says you you pour the human is

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human is we're nothing

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we're only something when we're with a law so for me you know knowing this about middle nights made my life so much easier.

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Like I don't need that like I don't have this need I don't have this pressure in trying to impress or turn

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who impressing brew

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whatever you have Allah gave it to you.

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You are nothing before

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and soon you will die and no you know everything in between these

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I mean that's our cues and yeah, our audience probably hearing the background that ongoing but I guess just to kind of Final thoughts I think that was a really kind of deep episode in regards to touching on

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a law is science the world around us problems but I think a lot of people will benefit from it. I think it was more of a enlightening emotional episode um to really get through just the basic essence of a human being because we get we get we neglect it from time to time we overlook just the simple things in life you know we talk about talking about technology but don't realize you know the very simple issues that exists at the moment but regardless does aka the hair rather Mohammed hopeless will call me and boys in the cave really enjoyed this discussion episode. Thank you guys. It was a real pleasure to be here.

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I've actually learned a few things. My last popular would definitely intend.

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And to the brothers and the sisters that are out there be Muslim or non Muslim.

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ask Allah to guide one and all.

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You know, we've chased everything in this world and nothing's giving us satisfaction.

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How much longer will we deny our law How much longer will we

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Allah loves you and he's waiting

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to understand why we keep delaying.

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And is this limited time as all the clock's ticking? Everyone's gonna dive in? This is a reality and

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like, I live in with polyp said, it's coming towards you fast. And the dunya is good that way it's behind you and death is coming towards you.

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You can't chase the dunya

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but you have to face this

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and how long are people going to distract themselves with the world around them so we'll wrap it up there inshallah. So for our listeners, thank you for giving us your attention. If you have any questions or comments, feel free to email us at info boys in the cave calm or find us on Facebook and you can follow our journey through Instagram, please leave a five star rating on iTunes that greatly helps us inshallah, you can support us through

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