Channel: Hamza Tzortzis
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Salam aleikum wa rahmatullah wa barakato. How are you guys doing? In the sessions that we have just completed, we did a mini series about some of the modern trends in Islam. We started actually, with some Calum type topics we spoke about, like Isaiah had been Tamia, and these kinds of things, and then we move to some of the modern trends. Now, we're going to be talking about some of the Shovelhead. Now, this is the final thing we're going to be doing right before we started the intellectual Syrah on the on January Inshallah, so this is going to be about six lessons altogether. And we're going to cover some things which we've already covered before, but because of the
importance of these topics, and the the repetitive nature of us, either hearing these topics or dealing with them, we're going to be covering some of them again, and some other should, we'll have topics in some greater detail that we haven't before. The first thing we're going to be looking at today is jihad,
which, of course, is something I think we've covered before, but this time, we have to cover it with a bit more participation because I've spoken a lot, you know, and in the past. So the first question I want to ask is, what is jihad and what are the different types of jihad?
Is it to strive and struggle? Great, so there's a linguistic definition and then there is a call a terminological definition. Okay, and this subdivision of linguistic and terminological definition is something we need to get used to this a lot and was to learn the terminology and it was so you've mentioned correct it is the linguistic definition.
And this linguistic definition is in the Quran for example in the end of subtle and carboot the end part of the 29th chapter
was imagery I had no idea no
idea how to Fina right at the end the home
Solana Latina well Latina right Well Linda do fina then Lana the end the home Solana. Right, and the ones who have strived in our way. So this takes more of the linguistic you know, because Jahad fina so they have strived in a way this is the kind of translation you're going to find for this particular verse in the Quran. So certainly, it's not a wrong thing to say because many people think this is us being apologetic by saying that Jihad means striving to struggle it's not actually still linguistic term you know is what it means and there is different types of jihad and one of the Jihads is in fact Jihad enough's what is jihad on nefs for calm
you heard the one.
So, basically, I will describe me trying to improve become better Muslim but
praying in on time. So, something that you find with your own knifes to become Yeah, so the next absolutely is a good answer is that this is the self or the soul or the self or whatever how you translate it and you had enough says basically you kind of fighting against yourself for lack of a better term
but doing so in the spirit of self spiritual self improvement and what are the ways you can do just enough so
so become even more spiritual? How so?
Praying for instance, okay, brilliant. That's an excellent way of putting it as a problem as I sort of said in MLA with Tom will help with the hello and I think there's a hadith says sub sample, which basically I was looking into this hadith very beautiful and interesting Hadith in them, and I would tell them that learning you know, it comes from you exerting yourself to extract knowledge
acquiring knowledge is from from doing the process of actually extracting the knowledge and Helmus forbearance just how they translate hell, right? Why includes it includes having self control
in situations where it's difficult to do so. It also includes being kind and so on for your people that you that you might not want, find it easy to do. So does help a bit. Hello. So you need to be a practitioner of health.
In other words, the best way to improve yourself is by doing the activity sub two sub ball, that to be patient. You have to put yourself
where you are
afflicted by something, and then you overcome it.
But you know, and this is a beautiful thing, I'll tell you something I was looking at actually.
In psychology, many of you have had PTSD,
post traumatic stress disorder.
And actually, I was reading a book some time ago by some guy called Vander Kolk. And the book was called the body keeps score. And he was an individual who actually pioneered the diagnosis of PTSD.
And was people that came off to war, I think it was the Vietnam War, the Second World War, where they came to a center, and he was explaining in the book, like how, you know, he put together these kinds of
general diagnoses which then he could identify who had PTSD. And PTSD is where a trauma in your life has caused you to kind of revisit that trauma. And he gives very interesting kind of
examples, he was saying, like when he gives participants the chance to recall an event, if it's an event which is traumatic, they are more likely to remember and recall all the particulars of that event. Whereas if it's an event, which is not so then the memory of it is less vivid. So these are some of the things of PTSD, obviously, nightmares, scares, panic attack, all that stuff, is become a formal diagnosis. But there's another thing which is very interesting, which is less spoken about, which is called PT G, which is referred to as post traumatic growth, which in many ways to crudely put it is the opposite of PTSD is where a calamity of in life or in such as you know, has put you in
a position which has improved. You look in the world in a different way now because of the calamity. And I was speaking with my uncle, when I went to Egypt, Alexandria. I think that's all some of you guys this and he he had this very, my, my maternal uncle, he had a very traumatic experience where he was living in a in an apartment flat, and his wife was there, the kids were their kids. And then the building fell and they all died, his wife and kids died. And then he has another child. Aussies, my cousins long time ago, had another child living in another country and she died from natural causes. And then sometime after that his mum died.
You know, so I speaking to him and the way he speaks,
it is absolutely
renewed. He goes I don't look at the world in a different way. I completely look at the world in a different way now. Because these cars moving here completely acid house so I said every second I consider it to be extra time, bonus time. Like it's different when you live through a situation like that. But when you come out with this summer I was free of post traumatic growth. These are the kinds of things which which
has a spiritual and psychological lasting impact. There's a beautiful verse in the Quran in surah Al Hajj Allah says guys can correct me when the nesma Yeah, I would like to have in a Saba to Hyrule in Sabah who fire hydrant maybe when Osama to fit NetOne in Calabar, Alhaji Casilla Daniela Hara, there are some people who worship along the edge literally on the edge. If something happens to him which is like good, he's happy with it my neighbor when I saw but to fitna tone and color allergy and fitna or a trauma, trauma afflict him, he falls on his face hospital, Daniel ACARA, he loses the world and era hereafter. So I'm not saying you can't have post traumatic stress disorder as a
Muslim, I'm saying if it reaches the level of Yes. And which is hopelessness, this is
actually because so many so many Rohilla Hallo como Catherine. Quran says that whoever who will be the one who has hopelessness of the mercy of God, except for the disbelievers,
interestingly, is not something that is mentioned in slavery. Now, what will happen is that, you know, the 10 is that, you know, I put that you shouldn't do this, you know, if you lose hope of the Mercy of Allah, then then you can become a disbeliever, actually, because it's what Yaqoob was saying, and he was the figurehead of patients, to his son, Yusuf Ali Salaam. So, or generally about the situation that he was in the point is making is gentle enough should not be underestimated. I think we know that. The claim was really he was talking about jazz, and that's quite a length actually. It's not something which We're retreating. When we talk about Jihad neffs or self jihad,
whatever, is not something which Shani
is fake or something which is PC or politically correct or so. It's something we should actually focus on the spiritual side of
Religion. So because we were talking about jihad, and if we speak about fighting for this whole session, it may give the wrong impression, which is that the only fighting that has to be done is against people, not against ourselves.
And there is jihad against itself and as a jihad against the devil shaytaan.
There's jihad against all of this forces, which we believe metaphysical forces spiritual forces as well. Now that we've put that on the table, what other types of jihad is there? What are the Taksim at the focal hop put forward?
Why whatever categorizations are there obvious in the physical one?
Within the physical one, what what are the
categories? Defensive and proactive? Beautiful? Okay, so can you give us some understanding of that?
Well, defensive would be defending yourself and your community from outsiders,
or antagonists, and then proactive would be proactively
attacking somebody for legitimate Cherie Cherie reason surrealism and give us some examples in history where both of those things happened.
Right. The Battle of Muslim history, for example, sorry, in Islamic history. Yeah, the Battle of Badr would be a case for a defensive one.
With the Battle of Mota, right, which was the offensive
it was more of a raid, right. Yeah, I mean, you can make the argument that because if you look at the the reasons why the to happen, like the emissary was sent, and then it was killed and these kind of things there was kind of it was responsive. But certainly like Fatima cow was expansive, and all those, you know, these things that came after, like, her name was so was proactive, right? So, you know, is adjuvants come? castrato? You know, when you a lot of people? Well, Dr. Robert, Robert, you know, the earth swallowed you because of ways. So this was a time when the Muslims were a lot, you know, and spending now. And it happened that time of the Prophet. And the majority of the prophets,
conflicts are word defense for practice. And his time, the majority were defensive, though, would that's not to say there was no proactive ones. We've seen the vast majority were defensive. Yeah.
let's move on to the next to the next slide.
Now, if someone says well, if your religion has to have an expansionist element,
so then therefore there is no situation or conceivability of peace being made between Muslims and non Muslims, how would you respond to that?
So like people who are Jews or Christians, maybe even other religions, that could live within Islamic State, so Okay, so that's within the Islamic State? You're right. So now you got the Islamic State inside of it, and then you've got Ella Zima. Then why had the misstep mean all these people, likewise, they have a contract? It doesn't we're not going to enforce conversion or do believe enforce conversion? Or what's the ion sort of Bukhara, Lovecraft Dean? Dean. So there's no compulsion in religion. So it's not possible to compel other people or force them to join Islam. Okay, now, so what about
if we're living in the modern age?
If we look at the books of fuck now, they still speak about Jihad talab some of them say has to be done every year.
Like, Tom has to be done every year.
So in the modern world, how do we navigate this reality? If it has to be every year? Then someone brings it to you says, look, he says in your book, that has to be done. You have to Tom has to be there every year. or every other year, every whatever. Yeah. So how would you respond to that in the light of the Quran, sunnah, and the fact that we've gone through before? So there's, like certain stipulations to do you have to follow. So you have to meet certain criteria to to do that. And the current Muslim situation does another.
Excellent. So that's one way of looking at it. But even if we had the fully fledged Islamic governance, which was fully legitimate, is it within its power shakin, too
on on other grounds, and what kinds of grounds would there be to create some kind of tree
so if you have treaties in place, or agreements with other states or other policies, then it wouldn't be allowed for you to be treacherous.
alphabeta record solids made that you have to maintain your your treaties or covenants with other peoples. And it would actually be you could actually argue that in many situations, it could be in the interest of the Muslims to have those treaties or covenants in place in southern process and ended at certain times for strategic reasons. But it's very feasible. Beautiful. So Elphaba Lockwood means what has to be faithful to your contracts or your agreements is that general
as for Muslims or non Muslims, for Muslims or non Muslims?
Okay, so now I've got a question. And this may be a bit of a for you a shocker. In the Quran, why is the only exception that maybe I'm seeing the only book one of the only I should say, or give me an example of a chronic exception of where you shouldn't fulfill your contract? This might be a difficult question
Well, you shouldn't fulfill your contract. Yeah.
I'm gonna give you Okay, everyone can get involved. I'm not gonna give you any
are we considering situations where the other side has already broken the contract first? Okay, what's the
first episode of Tober Bala to me Allah He was fully okay, that could be but there's something more clear. I'm thinking about
if they if they started walking by the open water model, there's something more clear than this, about breaking the contracts about where you're where you shouldn't fulfill the contract
while I'm thinking about is when Nikka through a man him
Amen. Oh my god, it him we're kind of identical because we have this is a situation where you shouldn't fulfill a contract. Because it says if they if they break their contract, in the case of a man whom mean badly it him after they have made a contract with you or time off, he didn't come and they have attacked your religion now, for Cogito
then fight the leaders of this belief. So contracts are two way situations.
You know, they it's not just one way it's two ways.
I mean, if they break it, there's no contract anymore. If there's any, you can't make a contract. So they break and then they say, Well, why are you doing X, which we agreed to because you already broken the contract, there is no contract normal.
The situation in Medina when the the people left
the battlefield, and they had a contract to
you know, when they were when they've actually left the battlefield headquarters, that quarter of the army left, and they broke the contract there. And then, which one was talking about, which I think is the first one? Yeah. Where they literally left the battlefield because the Prophet didn't listen to their counsel, one of them offered offered ESRs. I wouldn't say that's a contract issue. I think that's more of a thigh issue, like an obedience issue, okay. Because you know, what one waffleh hamartia was when Phil Allah says he gives the process alone advice for how to deal with them, face is full of, you know, proposing them, forgive them and seek their counsel in the affair.
You know, either as I'm to Fatah, Allah, and when you have made up your mind on the issue, then have reliance on God, and so on.
So this is how contracts work in Islam. And this is I've mentioned this before, I feel this is a very good point of commonality between liberal theory in Islam. Because consent and contract work in both
kind of worldviews.
consent and contracts are very important to wealth. So this makes it possible for there to be business and so on.
There's three ideas, which I think everyone should know. And I've mentioned this, I think to you guys before, but this is important for us too. Because this comes up all the time. What advice would you bring to the table? If I were to say listen, Islam is a religion, which cannot get along with other people of other faiths? What ideas would you bring?
Say Tata? What would you say?
Well, I know that if we're living in we have to obey the rules.
Even if they're non Muslim, as I don't know if that's relevant at all, so we can we can
Think about the as in the Quran, which which one can think about to exhibit coexistence that we don't want to combat the order? Like any say for example, in non Muslim person that we don't have to have an adversarial relationship with them.
struck a chord.
And one last one, so we know that you can one last announcement Did you notice that you can marry the did you and the Christian? What would you be trying to prove with that? Well, you know, it's a bit I guess, impractical with on one hand, I guess somebody someone says you're supposed to kill all Muslims outright, but then on the other hand, you're marrying them. It's like, they'll say that's the exception to the rule.
salmons is hot.
I'm just thinking
you have to kill all of them except the ones that you marry. Yeah. And until once you take slaves as well. I'm just playing devil's advocate. Yeah. How would you respond to this? Line? How Kamala who Angelina okay. Now go to the these are the ones.
This is these are the ones right? So this is chapter 60, verse eight.
This is the one that you will learn, Hey, come on. Isn't that what
do let me read your committee recommendable rule. This is the one bringing it because this is a good idea, like for this kind of purpose. chapter six, verse
that Allah doesn't, how would you translate this?
Allah is not forbidding you in relation to those who don't.
Those who don't fight you in your religion or kick you out of your homes
kind and cordial, and just with them, okay, who does Allah forbid you then in the main outcome a lot, and you're gonna have to look into the industry to do those things. So those who find religion, the outcome, the kicker of your homes, are the Hawala illogical, and they like come together aiding and assisting each other in
expelling you from your homes.
That way you do that was a continuous i How's it going? I will need to move on anyone else you call?
That you cannot be allies with?
Those individuals? Yeah. And whoever does so is, I think as long as I'm saying transgressors, oh, the evil oppressors or unjust ones. So
Allah is telling us two things, who we should have cordial relationships with and who we shouldn't.
I was speaking to one guy before, who told me about his situation with some takfiri groups.
Some some like, you know,
extremist groups or something like radical. And he was saying
that he was saying to them, you know, this hadith and Buhari were where the woman gets punished, because she's torturing the cat.
And he said to him, like, what do you think of this hadith? He said, Yeah, shows you is haram to torture cat. He goes, What do you think of torturing the disbelievers?
He said that you know, is different.
So this guy who was responding apparently like this is a chain of he was like, If Islam is a religion, which he doesn't even allow you to Hamat an animal? How could it be a religion which allows you to harm human beings, and animals and children and these kinds of things.
And this is goes back to the Hadith, which many of you should know the first Hadith they teach you in this kind of Hadith studies and they say, Hey, would you call them old Mustafa house carnivores? It's like Musa said, Oh, well, yeah, not most of us. It's a different one.
Because it humble, mindful of the humko Memphis have mercy to those who are on the earth and the one who's in the heaven will have mercy on you.
And men is a father is one of the general terms. So the general rule is actually to have mercy to people.
And so, for example, Allah son Quran mahalo leanness Johanna and say good things to people.
You know, so it's this idea that there's an initial adversary ality or there's an initial emnity or there's an initial antagonism or initial whatever. This is not really the spirit or the letter of Islamic law. Because there's Islamically this initial mercy
you know, there's initial safety and mercy and and then after that, whatever happens happens through
instrumentality or exception
by it's not the initial state of this not what we want, in the situation. Best case situation. So if you had happens, it happens as a result of either defending the territory or freeing up new land. That's basically
what other examples would you give for
chapter 489 Okay, and if you remember the contents of that
it was really Yeah, please do not
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So, from what
so, if they emigrate and they become
except for the ones who are a little Lavinia Soluna Illa Coleman Kobina cumberbund on May 2, I will come hassle to the room
except for those that have a pact with you, they have to
Things are highest punish on and translated. Oh okay.
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it first talks about who we can fight, and then it talks about the exception and mentioned that exceptions are those who are allies, allies of other people, you're bound within a treaty of those wholeheartedly opposed to fighting? Either you or the own people. Okay, and why is this a joke, the ones who came to you, sorry, it continues as
if Allah had willed, He would have empowered them to fight you. So if they refrain from fighting you and offer up and Allah doesn't permit you to handle it. So it's very clear isn't, this is not abrogates from my understanding.
So these are good as to just bring, because this idea of an impossible coexistence is defined by these kinds of Hadith. And as.
Okay, so we need to make sure that we
we bring that I think another line of argumentation is to show how many people have been killed by a civilization. Now there is a book which I have here, we're just going to sign up and get it actually.
I mentioned this, I think before and I want you guys to is this an interesting way of making the argument, and I know, we've covered this before, but repetition sometimes is important.
This is a book of war and peace in Islam. Yeah.
And this guy is Nazir, che,
he, he has these findings,
he goes through like definitions, what he defines as well, civilization. So he puts all these different civilizations he does, you know, and this is what he's got here.
This is the ranking. He's got. Number one, he's got the anti theists, the Buddhists, the Christian, the Indic. And the Islamic Yeah. And what he's showing is that the minimum desktop, maximum desktop, immediate desktop, for example, the anti theists, they've got the highest if the if they're considered the civilization, he puts as my 5 million minimum to 150 to maximum, right, he's got his own methodology. You can read it in your own time, but I'm just giving you an example. Then you got the Buddhist now people don't associate war and death with Buddhism for some reason. Even though we have what we have with the Baba was going on by Monday ringlets. In recent in contemporary times.
For some reason, Buddhism was seen as the religion of the true religion of peace or something, even though the death tolls and the wars
indicate to us that that's not the case. And here, Christian, or Christian civilization, or at least in practice, there has been war from the Christian civilizations in third place, 100 and 19 million to 236 million.
This is the range, then you have the Indic, you know, and then you have the Islamic so even if you look at it from the perspective of death, toll numbers, and we just take a look at 20 century is by far all you have to remember is the 20th century is by far the most
many people that have been killed in any wars that have ever taken place. The 20th century world war one Oh, to remember that it's not these are not Islamic.
If you just remember this fact,
it's almost insulting
that people who come from civilizations like these speak to us as if they have the keys and we have you know, they can give us a lesson about this kind of thing.
Obviously, you saw me speak about this with Jordan Peterson
And as you can see, like he had to admit, you know, his positioning and so it's not it's this undisputable. You can't actually dispute these evidences in these points. So just remember that
how else would you argue your point? Let's see is open up to the floor? Maybe How would you so what else Now let's imagine I am I'm gonna play devil's advocate for a little bit.
And Atheists say, Look, your religion is a religion of hate. And it does not encourage coexistence as a religion of bloodshed. And
you guys need to modernize.
the pursuit of gain if
Yeah, now how would you now I'm putting this to you, how would you respond to this?
Now that I'm finished, and we'll come to the second year, because I just want to go for 90
Min Katella knifes and the lighting I've seen for certainly film Kanima cotton Nestle Jamia beautiful Okay, so the five versus a four Yeah, yeah. So you're saying like how would you translate this first
ever kill someone Mongolian if somebody like without Yanni the right
like to do so. So they haven't killed? Somebody? Yeah. So like a noncombatant? Yeah.
Well, it's corruption in
the field as if they've killed the entirety of mankind. So
I think there's just like no evidence to show that Islam isn't what they're saying. Okay, beautiful. Now you say for contact me. So I'm come with the same interrogation? How would you respond to? I will say, so you say you said that
are here to kill everybody. That's what our median teaches us. So I will say if that's the case, then we did a very poor job of being
not only not only recent years, but throughout history
we've been then we will be soft with the rest of
rest of humanity
find what you're talking about don't deny the fact that they were your religion was there to initially instruct you to kill the people
initially, initially, so that so there was the at least that was what will happen after.
I don't know you tell me I mean, so you don't deny this? Yeah.
Yeah, deny but my point is
implausible deniability. So you're basically saying that we, we used to be Muslims, and then we stopped when Muslims. So you're saying?
I'm saying, I'm saying that, you know, your religion instructs people to kill innocent bystanders. But what the main standards, my religion instructed me to kill, and then it stops instructing me to kill people. So yeah, I'm saying that's why my claim,
I think it was, my religion was quite
consistent on the
teachings. Aquinas was wearing
her crown. Okay, we have to be more specific. Okay. So next time be more specific. Now she'll tell you.
I don't see
why is now shorter. So I'll say, Look,
you have a hadith that says, like I did to convince them, I've come to you with slaughter. And you have another Hadith that says that, you know, over to no cattle and nests, I've been commanded to kill the people until they say Ash has never shown us all. This and this indicate that your religion is
clearly intolerant, and is trying to kill people that are non combatants. Yeah, I would say, if you take individual pieces of evidence like this out of context, especially, we could construct anything out of that we want to so the wise thing to do, or the academic thing to do would be to take evidence as a whole,
which our scholars have done and see what the region in what see what the region says, when you take a holistic so what I mean by I've been commanded to kill the people until isolation until there's a shadow layer shadow, so
not only he's not gonna help you, I forgot the context of it. So you forgot Okay.
Exactly. Hold on a second. But you're not miss consensus, that we were not allowed to kill innocent civilians, regardless of so your consensus goes overrides the Hadith declare Hadith. That must be in a different context. Then. Also, what is that context? I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure the scholars who came to consensus knew it. So Matthew, what do you think the concern
What do you think is the Hadith in context of the Quran? So, the ayah that I mentioned. So if you have the Hadith and the IO, the IR has a higher weight of epistemic weight than that hadith. So here the first is just to kill nominal just accept the Hadith also accept the if we accept both are you how'd you see this one is specific? I have the Hadith Rosa Salam and the other one is John. That's it, which one's general Daya
but he says almost no haughtiness I've been Hamada doesn't mean everyone doesn't mean I'm a father I was elephant lamb Salafi? Yes.
This present is clovers, Alana. And we take in contact with the IRS and had the phone never contradict what the IRS or here's you got a decent general idea and they seem to be contradict
that added flambeaux
Should we do with it Shaka? How do we how do we deal with this?
The Hadith also anakata nurse,
a nurse like
you're saying that it means every single human being? I'm saying yes. Was including design, including this as you have is including Muslims. I see. That's That's good. They have you know, who argued on this basis, because I heard it from Abu was HOCl whiny.
He actually was doing shall have this hadith. Yeah, he's a scholar of Hadith in Egypt.
And he says if we took the Hadith to be in a very clear way, because I have been commanded to kill the people that will include Muslims as well. So it couldn't be accepted like this.
That's what he was saying. And he said that so therefore it's a general is bias will either be house or source which is like you know, a while what is that mean? So, especially with with a nurse like you can have, generally speaking Anyways, if you have general terms, they you can use a general terminal Arabic by intent by it's something specific.
That's indicated by it. So even with the word nurse, for example, let's say in Surah, Nisa, um, yeah, so doing a nurse Salama, Jehovah, probably, some of them say that that refers to the precise and
the one with a nurse in Milan, gone, sorta.
I can see on the page was, is is designed here with a feed a local menu, camera and a nurse, not this one. Could you do that? No.
What other people have come against us is the one Yeah, so is there?
Yeah, you're gonna call them on as soon as you can. Okay, so hey, that's what's the word saying? That if I remember correctly, I think it was referring to two people from
says the Confederates are welcome. It's not well, it's not all the people. It's just a group of people. Yeah. So this is this is an example of a specific group of people. Yeah. So it's an example of general wording intended for specific meaning. But I put that out there because it was a difficult one. I want to see how you guys are gonna deal with it. Yeah. Sorry.
Not for Muslims.
The prophecies and kill everybody, every non Muslim. Good point. Excellent. Good point. Hidden practices on? Yeah.
That's a good, that's a good piece of evidence. So it couldn't mean that good.
What if I say now, for con. You know, this is a very
common interrogation, chapter 929.
Controversy, right, you've known a biller nebula WM laka. You know, that fight, the ones who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day from the people who have been given the Kitab from the people who have been given that the you know, the People's book,
you know, until they give the jizya in a subordinate fashion, and they are subservient or
how it's clear, isn't it? They're saying you have to keep fighting fight in the Christians and Jews until they give Jizya so it's compelling them to give just yet this is shows you clearly that it's about, quote, forcing people to become Muslim.
Or would you say to someone like that? Isn't it easier for
for non Christians Jews living in Muslim land? Yes. So I'm guessing if this compulsory
power of the Muslim country, so if you want to live in this country, you need to pay this
tax Jizya Okay, and someone refuses to do so.
I guess these consequences.
Yes, but why do you have to fight them to get them to pay that? What do you do then? You expel them?
Yeah, I think you're onto something where you can refine this
because you're a bit too non apologetic here, I think, is to give them some level of just.
I'm asking you like, if they
if they don't pay, then
I mean, this needs to be away. Yeah, nobody's saying you have to fight them first thing, get them to pay off what's going on? You had taxes until they fit until we get the disease. So clearly they haven't given the fight until they do it. So I'm guessing the context is when Muslims, we're still fighting with the with the the non believers. So Christian guessing you're meant to be the one asking you so do you know this? Or do you not know this? US can? laypersons?
Okay, okay, nobody on the right tracks. I mean, especially with this thing of Jizya being like compulsory Texas, Jersey has not what I don't see actually, I actually don't see the controversy in Jersey at all. I fail to see the controversy. And they call it a sec, I remember in, in, in university, when the one person was saying you have a discriminatory tax called the jizya. I said, What is discriminatory about it? Exactly? What's problem with it? What's your issue with the jizya says, Why is it that the Muslims get to pay as a cat and the cat is more, you pay more. In some cases, the person has to pay much more than I was reading your Hodges has hovered an hour or an hour
or something. The the amount of money is like if you have the cattle in Maryland to get this one and Zara and this and the plantations and you might be paying a lot more for cabling that anyone who even does Yeah, so it's not even about more money. It's not more money necessarily. That's not what it's about. So what is the issue here?
So that's I like that line of argumentation. It's just the name name difference. Zakah is like has purification conversations are also exempted from a lot of things. They don't have to fight. Do they know the war? The people who pay Jizya they don't have to fight?
Yeah, they have to fight Yeah.
Subhanallah you know, don't betray the Muslim community and stuff like that. But as as we've said, this, it's not really that problematic. I liked that part of it. Stuck here. And this could make it but this How would you assess the first part 99.
As in, we're not going out. To enforce this on people. This is just like, if we have a battle between each other, right? Who's out and about who, like if they're coming out, they're attacking us. And we're defending ourselves. If there's a war, it's the time of war. So now we're going out in context. Okay, so how do we know this is not talking about civilians?
Call To Hell okay, go tell me more about that. So it's just like, any, like,
I just press it and you just with another person, so it's reciprocal. Reciprocal? How do we know it's reciprocal? Because it's with the elephant the mural so far is like none mashallah can say is like for both doing the same thing. So this is fine not kills. Religion, I'm gonna be let's not kill them. It's fine. Yeah. So it must be fight. It cannot fight people that are not fighting you back. So it must be combatant. So even in the term caught Cthulhu there is an implied
imputation which is that actually this is already reciprocal battle going on? Yeah.
Okay, well, these are some of the things. I'm going to bring two more things just to come back for con.
But we showed this one they don't say anything ridiculous, because it's a very controversial topic.
What if I say, Well, if if your profits are Salam was so peaceful and so merciful, then what about the Jewish tribes have been cut over? That he oversaw the slaughter of 600 Jewish people in the tribe? And he in fact, encouraged or legitimized it or mandated it? If this was a man of mercy, then how could he do such a thing?
So first of all, I would say
the was a treaty between the two who's to between the Muslims and the Jews. Okay, so Jewish tribes the structure to protect the Muslims in case of
case Meccans attacking
the Jews non effective treaty treaty, but the align with the Meccans Yeah.
And then when it comes to the punishment, it was not a profit deciding the punishment was actually
someone neutral that decided that. I don't remember who it was.
Yeah, some might say that. That was supposed to be the point.
dose fair punishment. So and who was being punished? Only the men and did use so those who are capable of fighting beautiful, excellent, excellent. Well done, that was really good.
So these are the what I'm giving you, here's the interrogations you're most likely to face after you've answered them.
Remember, the framework is the packer framework who remembers your poker framework?
Yeah, A stands for assumption. P stands for point. E stands. For example, C stands for counter, counter attack or counter example. And an E is analysis. So always have that as a blueprint to any shoe hat that you're given the packer framework, a P, E, C, A, you start with the assumption then the point then the example, then the counter example, and then the analysis. Because if you don't offer a counter, you're taking a punch without giving one back. So whenever you've is you have to defend yourself, then you have to attack.
And with that, guys, we will conclude. Hopefully, this is more entrenched into your minds, something we've covered before. But repetition of key issues is actually an important part of any spiral curriculum. It's important part of any kind of learning. And so next week, we're going to be talking about the age of Asha. And we've got some more information which we haven't covered in previous sessions, which we're going to talk about the age of Irish and the marriage in the Union the Prophet Muhammad Allah Salam and which is one of the Keisha will hat.
And so one which is a classic Shiva, basically, it's one of the classics yet. So everyone here needs to be completely like, strong with that one. And it will be more like this session, where we're going to be doing a lot more interactive stuff. And hopefully you guys have enjoyed that as much as I have. Here are Salaam Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.