Ebrahim Bham – Ml Hussein Ahmed Madni RA

Ebrahim Bham
AI: Summary © Speaker 1 discusses the need for a return to their current country due to political and religious concerns and protecting Muslims from violence. They use the analogy of a roadmap to accomplish something and give context to the concept of a roadmap. Speaker 2 emphasizes the importance of starting with the beginning and acknowledges the need for a return to their current country.
AI: Transcript ©
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Hola manana fame of the famous for that Alhamdulillah Alhamdulillah Jana hit me by the

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way. If we buy the country it was salat wa salam wa salam via you will mousseline well I know Ali he was heavy, was seldom at the Sleeman Kathira and

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I'm about to fall we live in a shaytani R rajim Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem. In Nehemiah Shala Hamina EBRD. Hello, Sara Kola, well

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respected elders, brothers and all of those who are listening on the Zoom platform, the beloved students who are here in front of me. We first begin by praising Almighty Allah, sending salutations upon our beloved nivia Kareem sallallahu alayhi wa sallam. Firstly, let me say from the very outset,

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I'm not in any way with your speaking on such great people like Shefali Salam Hazzard Mona Hussain, I'm admittedly.

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However, there is a certain inclination that has developed over the years in my temperament to read about Maulana Hussain when

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I read certain books, and I will be sharing some of the

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aspects of his life. And I must say,

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every time I read about Morana, different aspects of his life come to the fall. And he just almost every time you read another dimension of his life come, and I will try my utmost to speak about it. And we all know that in many ways, the views of Shepell Islam, about politics are very different from what normally we are accustomed to about the views of Allah on politics. In fact, when we do make mention of it, sometimes it will be quite revealing with regard to some of his views. I was related without

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taking a view on it myself, because I don't think I'm worth it with regard to it. But I will make mention of his views. And his views are well documented. So let me start off and say that,

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as it Mara Hussein, I'm at Madeira, Portola Valley.

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And I wouldn't I would obviously, here, I'm going to encourage people to do some reading with regard to it. So one of the great things that we can benefit from the life of Scheffel Islam is his comprehensive personality. It is something that I've put out on the very first slide. And the reason I made mention of this is because that is one of the things that are so attractive about his personality and his teachings. So on one hand, he was the rector, and he was a shepherd Hadith, who taught Hadith in Masjid Nabawi for 18 years, and he taught Hadith in Daraa. olam Diovan, the Emir of Gibraltar, Halima hin, a spiritual guide, for many, he was a chef of the soul of people used to take

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bear to him. Now I have met people in South Africa who have taken bet to hazard or at least were spiritually attached to his the chapel Islam, Rahul Ali, a community builder. He was a person who had a great amount of leadership qualities. And one of the amazing things he was a community activists, a political activists, a person who fought for freedom against the British, he was in the forefront of the freedom movement. And he was very, very passionate against British colonial rule, not only in India, but throughout the world. It will be quite revealing as we go on to say that some of his statements were as a motivation for other countries to resist colonialism. So as an alum, in

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a village in Durban, he was sitting and looking at the vision of getting other countries in the world who are dead time under the yoke of colonialism, free from colonialism, you know, and this, it tells you much about the vision of Alama normally, people complain and say Palama have blinkers. And they don't think with regard to the world politics, as Mallanna was speaking about African and other countries, third world countries, you know, resisting and throwing out the yoke of colonialism. And this is in his writings. I will go on to make mention.

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He was an intellectual debate debate on the strategic vision for Muslims in South Asia. So he used to sit and discuss matters with politicians in the time, you know, they so many differently, you know, instead

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dense with regard to people coming to him right up to the end of his life in his one of his readings, and let me just very briefly make mention of some of the books that I've read on hazard Shefali Islam, the one that first, you know caught my attention. It is in order to book by the name of a sea Rania, Malta, the captors and the prisoners of Malta.

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Written by as a moron, Sal Muhammad Nia, and thereafter it was translated by the geometry of Halima hin. And because of my passion on this matter, one day I took this book on one of my trips for Hajj. And in MENA, I met Maulana Zayed Muhammad Arshad Madani, and I told him that I got a book of your respected father. And I would like you to write a few words on the beginning of the book. So on the book and the copy that I have monitorship melody that means the son of the Illumina great monitor, Medina, Abdullah Lee has written some words on my own copy on mana, Satan, Shepard Islam. Then another book that is very interesting, a biographical study by Dr. Goyal, which is written by a non

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Muslim. And another book, which I have just started reading and I just came up quarter when I couldn't complete it was written by Barbara Metcalf. And recently, we know that next year

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was the autobiography of Maulana Hussain Ahmed manera. Milani, he wrote it in will do it is very voluminous. It is very lengthy, but it's not an autobiography in the normal sense of the word. Normally an autobiography a person writes about his life, much of the autobiography of Scheffel Islam is about the freedom struggle, and it is about other Allah ma who have resisted colonial activities, and he wrote much about many other Alama and I will make mention with regard to it. And so, and then also in the book, he wrote much about the harms that came upon India because of British colonial rule. So almost a substantial percentage of his autobiography is more about the harm that

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came to India, because of British colonial rule, rather than his own achievements. So in this particular way, he was an intellectual. He had a great amount of political engagement. He used to speak to the people of their Gandhi and Nehru. In one of the books I read that towards the end of his life, Lal Bahadur Shastri, who became the president of, you know, India, he came to visit Maulana and he said, like a student in front of modern cameras, if you are like a minister, come and sit next to me, and you want to give him respect. He said, while we were in prison, you, I set it to your footstep, to benefit from you. And even now, afterwards, I will sit here as a student, I want

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them to sit next to you. So he had that type of interaction with the politicians of the age. And then also, he was someone who used to speak to the Malama of the age. Right. So he used to go to Montana tabula. We all know what tanggram Talalay known for his fame in terms of the soul. And there's a very famous incident, if I get time, I will make mention of it, how modern I was saying I

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made a very amazing trip to go and visit Maulana Tamura actually it was a very amazing trip and inshallah if I get chance towards the end if you can remind me I will make mentioned with regard to that particular trip and what transpired and just to show you his comprehensive personality. You know, one day someone came to my tangrams jewelry if memory serves me correct I recall reading it in earlier I didn't have as a chapel he doesn't want as Theresa brown jewelry and said that Molana Shepherd Islam manana

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addresses political gatherings. He takes part in political gatherings. So my camera actually replied and said you saw him taking part in political gatherings. You didn't see him teach Buhari till midnight in the Oval.

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You saw him taking part in political gatherings. He related that to me, why didn't you also relate that he also taught Buhari and right up till midnight and monitor ahead a particular way. It whenever used to come even it was late at night. The bell used to be run in the darkroom students, the donor students had to come immediately to door I had eaten as more I used to teach them sometimes right after the you know, midnight. So this was his comprehensive personality. And I would really like towards the end speak some about of his spiritual

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you know his Greatness while we concentrate on his

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political views. I think it's very important towards the end for me to make mention with regard to his piety and his status in terms of his greatness in terms of his piety and being a warrior of Almighty Allah subhanho wa Taala so these are some of the things that we will continue how sometimes some of the things I'm going to very briefly and just go through very quickly right because I would like to finish by half past 10 And then inshallah we will type thing. So the first thing is the early life. Now we all know that Marana said yet, so we said said Muhammad Hussain

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said, Madani money was a sacred, but despite the fact that he was a seed, he, in his autobiography, spent a considerable amount of time in writing this particular aspect. And He repeated it many times. And he used to say that a person who takes only pride in his lineage, without good deeds, that lineage has got no value, and then he wants to elaborate on that particular matter. So while he had the greatest amount of, you know, a greatest lineage, he was very, very, he emphasized the aspect that lineage without our man without good deeds, does not have much value until you back it up with good deeds. So of course, we all know we show respect to the village. But what am I made

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mentioned with regard to it. Of course, he started off in the room Diovan. He came there in that room, Durban has a very young age, almost 12 and 13 years. Now, he studied in his own particular village, he started off there, his maternal grandparents went underwent a great amount of difficulty. And my name is autobiography makes mention of it, I'm not going to go into details that they ancestral lands where you served

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by people who had power influence, but more or said that my maternal grandparents made a lot of suburb. And all of that actually happened. So I'm going to go into just mentioned, so when he came to the Obon, he already knew how to read and write and because he was very, you know, very small in it is physic. You know, although he was 13, people used to pass up a scan and lemon. So he said, The O stands, and many of the families of those that used to come call him to write letters for them, because he was amongst those that at that particular time, when reading and writing were not, as you know, well known and well established. Maura was even at a young age knew how to read and write. So

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I'm going to keep it at that and just don't speak much more about his earlier life. Then we speak about his spiritual association. So more or less father was bed to Marana physical ramen didn't want anybody. And he wanted Marana also to follow in the fame same spiritual footsteps when I was more inclined towards malnourished Ramadan going so he became bed to herself malnourished Ramadan going later on in his life he was greatly greatly inspired and motivated by Scheffel. He has an aroma man mudra Hassan Kalani now shuffle him refer to Laurie was also a very comprehensive personality quizzes, I will come to it inshallah. So one I started off that went to Monash Ramadan going

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Monterey cinemas go to Lolly then you know, told him that you go to my chef, who is * that LA Mahajan material. So Marana then had a spiritual attachment to modern Russia what got going for him? He had mentioned that he was a philosopher. And thereafter he also benefited from from Mahajan that law Mahajan. Macura.

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And also very greatly inspired by his activism towards

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Shepherd he's actually in quintic the tooth in 1915 Mora made hutch with hygiene Deborah Mahajan, McKeon shuffled around and transformed one and a stinking. So anyway, I'm gonna go and make mention with regard to let me go to the next slide. The next slide I want to speak about has a shepherding opportunity. And I think the reason why I want to make mention of this is just to understand where Morana got his political and community activism from shuffling regularly. He was very, very restless about the situation that was upon the matter the time now it's quite an amazing thing. We are the perhaps the unfortunate part of the Ummah that we didn't see the glory of the moment, because up

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till 1900s The Muslim Ummah were established, they were the power of the world. You know, they were the ones that rule things. And therefore you find that many of the whatever used to speak within you speak about the shampoo. They used to say that the shampoo and imitation is a

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recent phenomenon because in the past because Muslims were dominant, people were making the shampoo of Muslims. People were imitating Muslims, of course, they were the powerful and it's a natural thing that will make the shampoo of the people who are powerful, you know, entry. That's the reason why we make the shampoo of the Western civilization, unfortunately, amongst much of our Ummah, but he said, That is why some of the older Ma said that the shampoo is something that came recently because of the weakness of the OMA, but be as it may share pulling from he was very restless, he couldn't confine himself only to teaching. So one of the things that shuffled him actually did was

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while he was teaching, and bear in mind that even at that time, they were all Amma who sort of felt that, you know, we only have to concentrate on teachings on what was normally the established activities of the whole Ummah, Shepherd individually thought beyond that. So one of the things actually I put him to actually did was that he set up certain, you know, he set set up the establishment and you will see this on the slide, similar to tarbiyah in Missouri tomorrow. So more or less set up these things, and one of the few reasons with regard to setting it up.

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So one of the things that Malanga did was he set up the Zara Puma ahref and he put more than Abdullah Cindy in charge of that Nasrallah Palmolive and I will read from the, from a cerana Malta directly.

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What Anna Madani Rahmatullah Lee writes, The purpose be behind establishing desire to marry was to make Muslim youth strong believers, and to instruct and guide, especially Western educated Muslims in the Quranic teaching in such a logical way, that it would remove the poisonous impact of anti Islamic propaganda. And Ill founded skepticism about the practicality of Islamic beliefs and in modern age, so he set up NESARA to maarif, to reach out to young Muslims who are studying in universities. So this was his, and then there were many other situations. One of them was to protect download Diovan. Because if, for example, the authorities came to know that, you know, download

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Diovan was a seat of the Mujahideen, or the seat of fighting against British colonial activities, they would take action against the data room. So he set up different structures that are similar to Terbium. And so this was the aspect of shepherding families setting up different structures. Now, for that particular aspect.

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Shepherd individually made not only work amongst the Obama, he worked also amongst the university students. So one of his very famous in fact, just few weeks before his passing away, Shepard Fairey made a very famous visit to illegal University to speak to the university students. And he was so ill, that he was taken by wheelchair and he was put them in a bed while addressing the students and he couldn't speak. So he prepared his talk, and amazingly is that at that time Mallanna Shapira Mani Rahmatullah Lee, who later on became part of you know, Muslim League and part of establishing establishing Pakistan just tell you an amazing thing, right. So, at that time, his his speech was

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read out to the university students by Mala Shapira Madhu Smarty Rahmatullah Lee. It happened on October 29 1920. And the following excerpts from that address remain engraved in the pages of history. at this old age in a state of illness, item you on your invitation or the hope to find the precious lost treasure. There are many people whose faces are blue with marks of prey and remembrance of Allah. But when they're asked to rise up and act in order to protect and save that deprive OMA, from the clutches of the disbelievers, they had stumble and sing with fear, whose fear not of Allah Tala but the fear of despicable men and the weapons of war, oh students of illegal I

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come to you that people of my own time have not been able to understand my restlessness, and I come to you that perhaps you will understand my restlessness. This was a cry of as a chaplain Rahmatullah Lee, when he spoke to the people and then he said, I have become instrumental in developing a link and relationship between the two great and historical educational institute Devroom, the Auburn and Aligarh Muslim University and when the very same thing I won't go into much details, but later on in the book mentioned is also made that term, Jamia Millia was also set up by shuffling from Tallinn and in this particular book Beretta memoranda Muhammad, Mia, Assyrian Emma

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What up, he said the idea behind setting up this university was to impart contemporary education to Muslims in an NDP, independent and Islamic atmosphere without any aid, assistance and interference of the government. So you set up Jamelia, this is now shuffling. I think it's very interesting for us to understand sometimes, you know, we just have a very limited understanding. So our setup is instructor infrastructure. The startup is indeed educational institutes, you know, universities etc. And I can go on making mention with regard to it, he at that particular time, it after the World War One which happened in 1918, Turkey took the part of the allies against the British. So because

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Britain Britain was, you know, colonizing and enroll in authority over India, they, they got some Walmart to take a fatwa against the Ottomans. The Ottomans attacks and Shaolin Dharma to Lolly refused to sign that fatwa and took account of fatwa, which came to be known as tariqa Hill effort to protect the most money and effort to protect the Ottoman Empire. And it is well known that the Obon gave the students off for one week to go and do Chanda to protect those monies left to protect the Ottoman Empire. So it was sheer who, who at that time gave a new vision to the Almighty, the Muslim ummah, who sort of

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came into a situation of accepting British colonial rule has a shareholding Rahmatullah Lee and not only did he do this very amazingly and I'm just going to skip through it because I think he's going to be taking much of my time. So I'm just going to speak about shuffling I'm actually just to say very interestingly that he made mention a few things of how to resist the British, which one shepherd him into darlin. Scheffel Islam, Rahmatullah Lee there after inculcated. So he sent monana Obaidullah Cyndi Rahmatullah late to Yalla. Stan, you understand his present day? Afghanistan, actually not the entire funny stuff. But part of what is today known his favor of tune in park in

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Pakistan, that area which was ruled by by the, by the patterns and the pattern people. So Maulana they were waiting for Shepherd him to come there. But he then went to he just, he went to Mecca, Medina and I'll tell you the reason why he went there. And he said one Obaidullah Cyndi Rahmatullah Lee, in the in the new autobiography, these eight pages on one Obaidullah Cindy Rahul Ali, I find it very amazing. So the modernI in his autobiography spoke about the OLA ma who against the British rule. And foremost amongst them use more or less.

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Eight Pages is written about more or less in the end, so much so that modern Obaidullah Cindy went to Afghanistan to try and get them to help the Muslims of India to fight against British rule. Modern Law Cindy went to Russia to get the help of the Russians to come and fight against British colonial rule. He said he went there, he tried to meet Lenin, Lenin was sick, he didn't meet Lenin, but he met the other rulers of Russia. And the one of the in this particular autobiography, there's a quote of one of the British generals in Afghanistan, who said one of the reasons we could not occupy Afghanistan was because of wilderness interrupted.

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So this was one Obaidullah Cindy, who was directly with from Shepherd him. So anyway, this was some of the aspects with regard to shepherd him. And when he went to his house, and that's where I'm going to bring the convergent between shepherding and shepherd Islam. He went to

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he Jas and at that particular time, the reason why he went to Egypt as the defense minister of the Ottoman Empire, Halle Pasha was in Mecca, Medina, so when I went to meet with him to try and get assistance of the Ottoman Empire to fight against the British. So that is that what has happened now, let me just very briefly go on to another aspect with regard to shepherd Islam and then come back to where Marana Scheffel Islam met Shepherd him and then they were born, and they were in prison in Malta. So in a very young age after studying in the room Diovan after one of

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the chef of

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his father passed away, the father decided that my chef has passed away for me to maintain my spirituality. I want to make my heater to Medina. So in that, moron, I then went and they took the entire family they sold all of the land and they went to migrate to Medina and Marana spent considerable amount of time in Medina. Medina was very amazing. It was very blessing, very spiritually enlightening, but also very challenging. The great hardship came upon the family while they were in Medina, Marana writes in his autobiography

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that I buried 40 of my own family members in Medina Sheriff,

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I buried 40. And they were great amounts of time in which he, you know, had a lot of poverty, great amount of difficulty, but it enriched Montana, he taught Hadees in Missouri number with a very famous anecdote, which many of our alumni right that some people had doubts about the life of maybe a dream saucer in the color.

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And one day while Marina was giving this, someone objected, and said that you you people believe in that who themselves have been alive. And this is not correct. This is not like that. And we all know this incident, it is very well mentioned by the anecdote of our own alma mater, and I said, if you have any doubt

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look at that direction.

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And when the students looked at the direction,

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they saw one of your dreams, he was,

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this was done while he was in depth. So this was how, as a shepherd, Islam, Rahmatullahi tone, and it was not only with regard to teaching, now, I found it very interesting in a letter to monitor route and I will come back to Montana Talmud, because what I wrote was the one that intervene in the in the difference of opinion between Allama Iqbal and shepherd Islam when Anna Madani later on life. He said, I've lived abroad for 17 years, visiting many countries. So somewhat one day, you know, all of a sudden phoned me. And he said, you know, more or less sees in his autobiography visited many countries in Africa by any chance to return to South Africa. So I said, No, I don't think he came to

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South Africa. There is no record. But in his autobiography, he said, I visited many countries. The match is not known. But what we do know is that he met many people in Medina, and perhaps maybe that was a reference to meeting different people. So one of the people that he met was and recently restored much of the group's about Marana meeting people who are freedom fighters in other countries on chef Ibrahim, and she has been bitten by this, you know, so they came to Medina to take to make each unit because of the tsunami of the French in Algeria.

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And they felt that maybe they must migrate to Medina. And when I told him, No, you don't come and migrate here to Medina, you go back and fight the French, and he told them how to resist the French. They went back and this part became part of the anti colonial activities in Algeria. And one of the sons of the people whom the medulla interacted was he later on became the foreign minister of one of the countries in North Africa. This was more than as influenced in Madina Munawwara he was one of the most sought after Hadith teachers in Medina. And in fact, one of the in which edit to his financial challenges when I was teaching and as he was teaching to end he was getting, you know,

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some financial remuneration. He used to teach many people and the authorities who would in the data room they said you can't teach other students and when I resigned from the post, how dare you stop me from teaching other students it is outside the normal time. So in this particular way, more or less situation was in Medina and that was very amazing part of Manas, Shipley slums life, can you learn from them? Now we see shuffling doctrinally he came to Medina to meet with Ronnie Pasha. Now, when he came to Ali Pasha, that was a time when the Arabs were revolting against the Ottomans. So the Arabs were revolting. And of course, we all know the whole thing Sharif Hussein and Lawrence of

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Arabia. They started revolting against the Ottomans, so when they revolted against the Ottomans, rally Pasha Marana came to know was in time. So Marana Wentworth

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Marana will send money to go and meet with Ali Pasha, then while they were there,

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to immediately Pasha, Sharif Hussein were taken control of much of butta Medina and type he arrested has a shepherd in town today.

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First, it was very difficult to get hold of Chapel Hill. So he got all of two of Manas companions. So that time, you know, Saudi Arabia didn't have the wealth that it is now. So some of the Indian tradesmen they went to Sharif Hussein and said, free him, free these two people. He said, I'm not going to free them because I have just recently entered into an agreement with the British.

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And he favored the British overshare called Iran.

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And he gave overshare hold him to the British, and when they could not find shuffling, he threatened the two companions of share Polina hopefully, I'm going to execute them with shareholder him, does not make himself over to,

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to me, and then afterwards he was made over and the British took him there.

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took him from Jeddah they took him to Egypt and Egypt

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is the one with regard to

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the journey to Egypt from right where they took him in, in there to to, to Egypt in Egypt. There is a long conversation and interview they had a chapel in Kinder kitab. That whole interview has been recorded and has been preserved. What questions they asked him and what answers he gave him from Nietzsche. They took him to Malta and for two and a half years to our two years, 22 months, Marana was incarcerated and imprisoned in Malta. Chef chef Islam Maulana Madani Rahmatullah Li, also joined. Chef put him in prison, although he was not the main person who was supposed to be arrested, but because of his love for his chef, he also became part of the incarceration he used to say, the

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object of my visit to Malta and to be part of Shaolin monk to rally in prison was to serve my Western. And we all know the very famous incident that is so much mentioned of his fitment who is who said that because there was cold water and he knew the matter, we all know Europe can become very cold as the chair for Islam when Anna Medina used to keep water, cold water, your only stomach throughout the night, so that when she used to get up for tahajjud, the water used to come somewhat lukewarm and not as cold as it's coming directly from the tip. And he used to present that water to her as a shepherd, a proper family to make use of at the time of time. And of course, the other

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aspect was polenta dish, and also to advance spirituality and to complete the memorization of the Quran. There is one rewired, that sees it in one month, he made heaps of the Quran to be able to recite that away. So this was where Mona and of course they also they were one or two people who keep loosen is the one who was part and parcel of the people who was also incarcerated, what they mean he passed away in Malta. So Monona then started off, you know, in Malta, and after Malta, he came back and he came back to India. Now when he came back to India.

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increased his effort against the British now, they seem to remember the time that

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the British first came into India as the East India Trading Company, they came in under the guise of trading under the guise of on under the guise of business people. They came in more from the south of India, and then they steadily gained influence, and then they were helped by the British in terms of the Army, and then over 100 year period, they gain complete control over India and shackled Indra, Petula implement shackle Islam. Rahmatullah goes on to make mention with regard to his

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passion about the British, in his autobiography, in fact mentioned is made that in much of his biontech he used to speak even with the Muslim ummah, he used to speak about the harms that came upon India because of British rule. Now, well before Shashi Tharoor has become somewhat famous recently. And of course, Shashi Farrow became famous because in the Oxford debates, chassis, Shashi Tharoor made the point that

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and he wrote a book known inglorious empire, that how Britain planted India made India world. He said, When Britain came into India, India was the third wealthiest nation in the world. They were the third wealthiest and the time they left, it was number 27 Or number 30. Somewhere there. He said that was the impact of British rule now long and then he said that there must be a financial repatriation from the Britain even if it's a token, one. shifa wrote in a very famous Oxford debate, there must be a repatriation for them to acknowledge the harm they did to India. Well, before she wrote this, she actually Islam on a Monday Rahmatullah Lee has made mentioned in his books about the

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harm that came upon India because of British rule, he speaks about the moral harm. He speaks about the harm with regard to the disputes. He said, they used to be such a remarkable Institute of how people used to resolve their disputes at village level. And then he gives a whole you know,

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you know, direct details about it in his autobiography, and even more he speaks about the economic situation. And this is well known that, you know, India had an amazing amount of Weaver's that we used to weave the best in terms of the prop those weavers who are experts. The British actually broke their hands and broke the shoulders that they must not be allowed to leave because of

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Some benefit coming upon the Muslims and the Indian tradesmen, he used to say that they used to take the raw material at exorbitant at very minimal prices from the Indians, take it to Britain and refine it. And then at a considerable amount, percentage of profit they used to sell it back to the Indian market. So they used to make money by buying at a very reduced costs, and then come and sell the very same item at a very exorbitant cost. And Marana in his autobiography gives a whole details with regard to that. And Maulana became very, very passionate with regard to resisting the British. And this was part of it. And one of the things that he made mention with regard to it is that how do

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we do it, we don't have the ability, we don't have the situation with regard to it. So I'll just give you one or two things with regard to what was the way of how they were going to deal with it. So one of the things was in one on page 165 of this book by Goyle. Shepherd has made mention of a three point plan of how to resist the British. So one of them was he said that

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one was unity with a non Muslims. So they got the Hindus together to resist the British. He said we will not be able to fight the British on our own, we must get the local people to come in. And in this particular way, the British were very very keen to exacerbate the Hindu Muslim divide as manana shuffling from Italy and Morgana, Sham muram Shuffle Islam. We're trying to bring the Hindu Muslims together to fight against the British. So he said we must bring the Hindu Muslims together to fight against the British, and then we don't have the means to be able to

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resist them. We will resist them by non cooperation and economic boycott. So people still talk about boycott increased time with regard to Palestine the boycott call came from our Allama and you know, we studied in Karachi. So when we used to study in Karachi, there was a very famous Hall known as a hearty dinner Hall. So in the family dinner Hall, Marana was summoned. And there was a court case that took place in the Halleck dinner Hall. Now to the hearty dinner Hall is a hall that is you know, surrounded by bazaars. So it is become somewhat overwhelmed by the bazaars. But once upon a time, it was a very famous landmark in Karachi. And every time we used to go past the whole issue to

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think about shampoo, Islamorada Madani because it was in this particular hole that he was tried. And he was there after tried. He was so when he was tried, the judge asked him, did you give a fatwa that it is haram to cooperate with the British, and every Muslim in India and Pakistan must refuse to cooperate in any way with the British. And the end the view and the objective was, if you don't cooperate, British rule comes to an end. How will they be able to govern? When the people don't govern? There is no no bureaucrats is going to do the work. So he said it is so did you keep this patois? So moron, Muhammad Ali.

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And later on a Mullah Muhammad, a German Shepherd Islam had a difference of opinion on a particular matter. Let me just quickly go through this. So Mattila day after he said that when I'm gonna read your call the quota of Shepherd Islam, that please be careful how you reply to it, because if you say yes, it is treason, for which you can be executed, and treason is death.

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So Maulana Madani Rahmatullah Allah gave his famous reply,

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Maulana Muhammad Ali, if I change my word, my Eman will change.

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And he told the judge, what do you mean I gave, I still give this fatwa It is haram for every Muslim to participate and to cooperate with the British, for some reason, although that that particular statement could have ended up in execution, he was jailed in central G, which is not very far from our madressa, where we studied because about two three kilometers away from our mother, Teresa. So Mama was there was many times that it was the stuff anyway, these were some of the aspects that Montana made mentioned with regard to it. So in his in his resistance, he also cooperated with Congress and other parties who are part and parcel of resisting fact, initially, that Congress were

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not in favor of resisting the British. When Congress started off, it's it's, you know, as a as a party, the only objective was that how can we get some sort of concessions from the British government? It was one of them. But Neeraj Talalay and shepherd Islam, Rahul Ali, who took them with a path of resistance and you know, and I, you know,

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You're in this particular boardroom of the gym yet. I think it was more on Moodle, Maulana Mahmood Madani who came. And he made mention with regard to us that when the Congress were meeting once, to decide who must become the president of Congress, it was Shehu Linda Hootenanny, who said that Congress must be led by Gandhi. And the reason for that was that until you don't get the majority of the people against the British will not be able to remove the British and he was very passionate of removing the British.

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And when candy became the president of Congress, he told me what am I what was I do now? What was I do? You know, you made me now the president what was I do? So, at that particular time, Shame on him, he said, go to police to police and tell the people not to cooperate with the British. So that the to the train, and to the train, he went village to village and that became part of the Congress, noncooperation. So, these are some of the things that I go there is talk about the boycott strategy and in I made a note of it in page 138 and 139 of the book, Iran and Malta, then Milan also came you know, so, the aspect came about at that particular time when the British decided to partition India

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and so, the idea of partitioning came into by by the British, so Marana was very, very against partition.

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Now, we all know that there was a difference of opinion between the Halima with regard to Pakistan, mana autonomy, Marcia Barra Madras money, the Muslim League, a favorite partition, Mala was against partition,

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he felt that Muslims must remain in there, he even had a formula, a formula of having a specific amount of Muslim representation in government. And that particular formula is made mentioned in his book and his autobiography, how he had actually divided and how he had actually come to that particular formula of Muslim representation. And I is someone whom, I must tell you, you know, on a personal level, there was a time when I was studying in Pakistan, I was more inclined towards the pro Pakistan narrative.

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I was by and large, more inclined towards them over the years now when I read chapter Islam, I'm totally I don't say I still make a definitive type of judgment on the matter. I say Allah, Allah knows best. But there is a certain degree of saying that perhaps would be things of their depth differently if the view of Marana but the Rahmatullah Lee would have been implemented, Allah knows best. But you see, we can we can talk about it. But just keep in mind with regard to some of his views, he was very, very disappointed. This particular matter of divided rule creating a Hindu and Muslims to go through is something that was actually the objective of the British to weaken India.

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He even made mention and this is something that we always talk about the gulaman don't have vision Morana, in one of his writings, in his autobiography said, that if you're going to break up the subcontinent, then dial in now used to remember the subcontinent is India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and perhaps part of Afghanistan, if you had been one country, it would have been a tremendous brought up in such a great country, by breaking it up become weak. And when you become weak, the superpowers of the time whether it be America, whether it be Russia, of course, we all know for a great amount of time, there were the two superpowers America and Russia, then for you to survive would have been,

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you would even have to be dependent upon us as two superpowers. So a very brief period of time, Pakistan was regarded to be pro West and pro America and of course, India were regarded to be pro Russia, but later on after obviously, things have now changed because of the economic dynamics or other dynamics. So he said, If you are one particular

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if you are one, one, you know

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if these one country, you would have been one particular block, and in this particular way, mora was of the view that No. So, this particular way, even one of the reasons why they supported Congress was because Congress in 1930, had a meeting and they decided against partition, and they wanted the United nationhood initiation. In 1930. The view was they wanted one particular country, United nationhood, and because of that, monana was in favor of Congress. He became a member of the Congress. And in one of his writings, he wrote, I am a card carrying member of the Indian National Congress, I pay my dues every year. And one of the reasons for that because he wanted the united

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country and he didn't want the country to be broken. So another point that is there to this government, anyway, there was this whole particular aspect of partition is a very long standing type of thing, how the Allamah differ with regard to it. And, you know, they understood views as well known

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As I said, I don't take a particular view in saying which one is right or what am I different as Allah knows with regard to what we but now on the question on Naisha with the political views with regard to as a mana Shepherd Islam actually, I think this is very important

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one also felt any router in his autobiography he felt that the Muslim League were in cahoots with the British government even narrated how many times they went to London, and he felt that there were certain a negotiation that took place between Muslim League and the British would seem to favor the fact that they wanted to this to to to, to break up. Anyway, these were some of the things that we can just make mention of. And one of the things that I'm going to make mention I'm gonna have to go very quickly about it as far as political views come and Miller, mora made the difference between calm and billet and this is something that created a great amount of controversy at the time, what

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am I made mentioned in the differentiated between calm millet, indeed, he said, Dean Islam in Medina in de la lista. We believe in the in. And also one, one thing you must remember that when Mawlana made mentioned with regard to you know, what the Congress, you know, he made very clear that one of the reasons why he joined Congress was one principle, there must be no interference of any of the communities in the religious matters of one another.

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And he even made mention of one or two times when this was violated, and one has stood up and said that our Joining Congress was on this particular basis that there will be no interference on religious matters. And one of the, you know, made mentioned with regard to it. Now, this particular aspect about composite nationalism is something that

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we have to keep in mind, and I don't think I'm going to I don't know if I've got the time, but I'll just briefly make mentioned with regard to it, maybe later Mr. Without going into the data because then it will take too much time. But Mallanna goes on to say that. One is comb, your nationality, your ethnicity. One is mill mill, let's talk about the mud. And call me means your nation like we are Indian people. We are Quadratus. Now Gujaratis could mean people who are from Gujarat, even if they are Muslim, they are non Muslim.

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You are South African. You are South Africa, although maybe the nation does not so much apply to South Africans, because it is a country but of course, let us say for example, the causes for the Zulus, so a person can become a causa as his nation. Despite the fact that within causes politicians will lose, they might be Christians, they might be Muslims, they must be proud of other faiths. Also, there must be people who have got the African indigenous faith. So Malala made the distinction between home millet and D. And this created a great amount of controversy and Allama Iqbal wrote against one another our in our identities only on the basis of money.

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And Maulana them wrote a two or three page letter in explaining Himself. He said, I've never ever said that we must compromise our deen or we must compromise our million, but we are part and parcel of India. And because we are part and parcel of India, we are part of one nation. And because of one particular nation, we are this way you wrote the composite nationalism, the nationalism that come of India being part of different faith groups and ultimately live together as different faith groups for the benefit of India, for the prosperity of India for the safety and security of India. Now, this was a very great departure of an ideal type of state, we can only exist in an Islamic state,

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more or less views will depend greatly upon people like who we are in South Africa or UK who are part of a state, you put your shoulder to the wheel with regard to see to it that there is prosperity in the country that you love. And you play whatever role you can do, whether it is Amana gave this example, with regard to if there is a fire in a village, if there is a fire in a village and there are people who are Muslims and non Muslims in that particular place. What do you do? You say? No, we only as Muslims are going to take out and extinguish a fire or you're going to jointly extinguish that fire.

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And he said, that is the understanding what I have composite nationalism, that we are in one country, we are in one particular location territorially, and it is our duty to in that particular way to heaven, composite nationalism based on that particular view. And he stressed on upon the importance of resisting colonialism by being Muslims and Hindus coming together to resist it. And of course, one of the things that happened at that time, Madonna, Muhammad Ali, Julia John Rahmatullah Alia also a very great freedom fighter. He was very grateful to him fighting so much so that he said I don't want to die, and I don't want to be buried in an occupied limb. And one of them Muhammad Ali

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Jor. Rahmatullah is buried

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Next to Majid, Aqsa And India is written shatta Hindi index to Majid XL. So But moreover, Muhammad Ali Jihad was part of the Muslim League was in favor of favor of Pakistan. And they came up with a slogan, what was his token assurance before cooperation? Before we can cooperate with the Congress, we want assurance of certain Muslim Rights, Marana manera Tula, they said, We don't want any assurance, let us fight for freedom. Once we get freedom, we will fight amongst ourselves, what are we going to do?

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He so one of them one of the lead to our air assurance before cooperation, Morales said no, let us gain freedom after we gain freedom as free people, we will decide with our own country people, what is good for us, and we will fight amongst ourselves. I sometimes think about it as something similar with with regard to the liberation movements here. It said, you know, liberation before education, Allah knows whether it was good or not. But that was the slogan, liberation before education. And once we are, well, once we are free, we will decide about our educational policy anyway. So why don't I have this amazing, and I think I'm just going to come to that Madonna had a very, very, you

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know, wide vision. And part of those particular vision was that if we as because you must remember that India was the most vital resource for the British colonialism, their malt in their dry. In after World War Two, they diverted funds from India for the war machine, right to fight against the Germans, so much so that there was widespread famine, and there was no food. And there was over hundreds and 1000s of people who died of famine, because of what the British did to the people of India. So, Monarch has said that India is the crown in the British British jewel, if we gain freedom from printing Britain, all the countries who are counter colonial rule in India, they will also they

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will also be able to gain motivation to fight against colonialism. So when I had this vision, so this was you know, what I think one of the greatest thing and I will conclude with this was, we only speak about the political visions. We don't realize his greatness as that. No, there was as a metropolis and that Europe, Italy is written much about, you know, Sherri Shepherd Islam, and some of his writings are very, very amazing. He said that, in one day, he quotes more than a Munzo Rahmani

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momento Rahmani Raheem Talalay threatening said, I have read converted naskila behind many valamar

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Whenever the Muslims were in difficulty with incontinence, Allah, He said, to Knutson azelis that I read behind it made my hair stain on its end he said when he used to recruit and Angela behind this tool, it was to shake you on a shepherd Islam. When we Shepherd Islam, modern material totally in one was one our use of Sabra particularly the sun on one is Abram

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Miranda after partition took a stand that we are going to fight for British for Muslims to stay in India. But so many people, you know, great amount of people when 1 million people were killed in the partition, because of the moving around, it created great amount of enmity and hostility, because of the enmity and hostility. People who are moving and people looked upon the Muslims were moving as some sort of betrayal to the cause. So they started moving in the killing, most of the people were killed were Muslims. So 1 million people conservatively, some people save us even more than that, okay. And when I was saying I was at pains to say, You created this division, you created this

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hostility, and this is perhaps one of the reasons that actually actually happened after independence. Morana when village to village to win, tell the Muslims you remain here, because part and parcel of the Indian Constitution was everyone is equal. You have a constitutional right. You have your dignity, you have your freedom to be able to stay here. Modern Abdullah Padre Rahmatullah Lee, in this particular boardroom one day I asked him because he wrote it somewhere. So I told him one and I read it, but I want to listen to it from you directly. He said Marana came to Gujarat, you know, after independence and he went furnished to village and village to village to tell people you

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remain here. The Allah that is in Pakistan is the same Allah that is in India. You remain here. He said he came back one day very late. I asked the people who are organizing this trip, I want to make him let me sleep in his room. I was 13 years of age. They told me what sleep it is room. I went to sleep in his room is important. I came back way back after 11 o'clock. And he said he came there.

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It was a beautiful mattress and dead prepared for him. He used to always travel with a small sleeping bag. He took out his own sleeping bed. He started sleeping. He took that particular and he said after two three hours I heard someone crying like a baby.

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I caught up and I saw mom crying get the baby

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What protects the Muslims of India? Or to protect them? So this was moron, you know, he gets such amazing sincerity he used to sign his papers and his books and his letters num yourslef you know, the disgrace of the predecessors? This is how we should yeah, we avoided fake fan. When he came back once. I think it was from the Karachi J. You know, they had prepared for a massive welcome for him in the open. So they all came they expecting you to come at a particular time because that's the time the ticket was that one of our came to know about it. He changed his ticket. He came two o'clock in the morning, no one was there eating pie clearly went to his house. He just completely

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shut regulation. He shut up instantly. And afterward, they wanted to give him from the Government of India, you know, a particular shield. In recognition, he refused to take it, despite the fact that he used to keep used to phone and that's I will just conclude with it because there's so many things more than I used to, you know, fight for Muslim Rights because afterwards they were communal riots that took place in the beginning stages more or went to the one day he went to Nehru when he went to guarantee because there was there was right wing city everyone one of the right wing elements within the Congress was Sarkar. Patel, Sardar Patel was a first person to to ask for the way from United

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Nation would have the original view of the Congress. Sardar Patel was the first one to to bring about the aspect of partition. And they after Congress became part of the people who also agreed upon partition. So Sardar Patel was very dismissive of Muslim Rights. And one I used to oppose him in every level. One time, you know, Nehru pulled up Sardar Patel in the presence of mana money to rebuke Him, because He regarded Muslim Rights as inferior. And one on one day he,

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you know, he phoned the police of that particular up area. And he said, You have given us guarantee that if we stay behind in India, our rights and our lives will be protected, there is Muslim Hindu rights that are taking place in a particular place where Muslims have been killed. Either you fulfill your responsibility, otherwise, we will go up and protect ourselves whatever means we have. And if we do so, don't call us and say we are propagating violence because you are going against your word.

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So these are some of the things he despite the fact that after independence, he took a backseat. You know, he's concentrated mostly on

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his teaching on two times, he did make interventions. One of the most prominent interventions was carried Abraham Talalay, who later became the director of the room, the Auburn Career Center actually decided to migrate to Pakistan. And after were migrating to Pakistan, he you know, regretted it and he wanted to come back to India. So but at that time, there was a rule anyone wants, you migrate, you cannot come back to your place of return, you cannot come back to your place where you have migrated from, it's a decision you must make. So when he went to modern Africa, Masada citizen, this is a word we can go against. But types of ramp to valley pleaded with Monterey.

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And one morning Manasa. Bernier actually went to the President of India at the time, the permanent Prime Minister of Nehru, and he knocked on his door, and someone had to tell her who that morning was, and what button is here, the door, narrow left everything, it said, if you had any work, who should have told me I would have come to see you, what have you come for. Instead, I've never come to ask you for anything. But I've come to ask you with regard to quality himself. He wants to come back, allow him to come back, narrow, immediately they gave a letter to say that it gives them an opportunity, you must come back. And then correct yourself became the rector of revenue reopened for

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37 years. So these are some of them minimum interventions into place. And he took the view that, you know, he said that you can have a difference of opinion with regard to a budget coming into a particular place, or once a budget is made, that we accept the budget irrespective of own views. And the same is my situation with regard to Pakistan. I was opposed to Pakistan, or once it is established, I make dua for the prosperity of Pakistan. And that was one neuron police view. So these were some of the aspects I don't think I've covered many of the aspects that I had in this book, which I have made notes, but I just hope it gives you some form of, you know, understanding of

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the personality and the views of Montana. And I will conclude with that. I do apologize for the extended time that I've taken.

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For that insightful presentation, I'm sure so much more than could be saved obviously.

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We will open the floor now for

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Um, but one thing I would just like to maybe just give us short haul input here from my side

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you know, what stands out for me it has limitation on that

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the priority as you know one of the stages

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and you know the book that you made reference to which is recently published

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on an ultra low

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there is on page 136 is very interesting

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incident that stood out for me when I was reading the book is that when Maulana

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Pacheco started his

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resistance against the British to complete what he had

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Shah, bully

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who was you know, he expressed concern, it says in the book deductibility issue when you find out it will pose a greater risk.

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And when this came to hear about him,

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he didn't said that in a meaningful open up he said on a personal notice application to allow was that

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provide service for 50 years or his mercy this period is over and it has for food. So, this stood out for me quite starkly because it showed importance if he gave to the distance even if it had to be at the expense.

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I just wanted to point that out because

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these are the priorities that our COVID had not forgetting the chip which

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was the first unit of

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So it is something that I want to choose

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book there been some questions on the chat that

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