Do we still need to study logic to understand the Islamic Sciences?

Akram Nadwi

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So, this is

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a short concise book

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on you know major concepts used in the logic. But before that, I just you know, summarize actually what is the logic is

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to I myself and my studies in madrasa in India. And logic and philosophy which is one of the important part of the curriculum actually in in India, since 15th century or 10th century of Fujairah logical philosophy become most dominant in the in the Maharaja curriculum, before that, there was logic philosophy which were not so, dominant

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on intellectual time come when most majority of the books taught in America, they belong to the philosophy and logic.

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So, I study it in the same manner as with the logic, but very important philosophy very important. Then I came to Tolima also, there was the logic of philosophy I has a no one teacher from gilbane he was very good at logic and philosophy I learned from him, then I learned from my teacher more

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in the way he was expert of logic and philosophy, he used to teach without any book with all in mind, great expert in both both sciences, until I actually got my own interest to I studied many other books as well which are not taught in medicine, by were interested in the logic and philosophy and kept learning until I got the book off in a Tamia are read automatically you about two which maybe I talk in by the end of the session, shall we five time which really was very new way to look at logical philosophy. You know, the way I described him, you know, what he did?

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Before that India a very restricted when she will, she will note wrote his books, and mostly manner with the or from say, madrasa, the logic philosophy to first Abukar off anytime you ever see believe you can influence what or what the limited to you. So that's very important to me. When, when I read it, I, the only example came to my mind, I did not get in the temple of, you know, Iraq, where the

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Iraqi militia, Islam is much old eIders to basically check in with me so much all the ideas of logic philosophy, it basically demolish the whole building. It's not very easy to understand, but once you understand the logic of philosophy, then reviewed his book, then it will be clear to you what he has done. And some examples from me, it will help you to understand it, depending on my interest, or whether I been in logic, philosophy, and then when I came to this country 91 I started reading books on the modern logic, just to see really what difference is to realize like is somebody has in mind all the objections and criticism from Tamia, I wrote rewrote logic, to know modal logic is

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completely different from what Tommy has criticized. Because it's so different, it is logic, which he had no problem with that which nobody has any problem. But the Greek logic which had been taught him with Assad for many centuries is that what actually The problem is,

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and this book is in the same part of because this is something which became part of Islamic sciences. Even pure Islamic science a full suit is very Masuda de basura

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many concept you will not understand unless you know Greek logic. Greek Logie became part of everything, you know, not only update and column even also the Hadees or pseudo novel, sort of anything people used to write, it always used to follow you know, the categorization and the you know, definition of people of logic. So, it is important for the students of the Islamic sciences, they must be aware, at least our basic concepts used in logic. Without that you can't understand the books of

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Hadith and major things in Islamic sciences, impossible to understand whether you agree or don't agree, but they have used you know, distance very accurately many books off the field. You know, many books after fees, they follow same thing, and especially, you know, column and first, you know, books off carminati them, they basically ask

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So much influenced by Greek logic and philosophy, hardly any argue who is not influenced by logical, logical fashion in especially after the first four 400 years of Islam it becomes so, so strong in Islamic curriculum

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before you know coming to the book on men definition, I just summarized to you what exactly logic is. So, the word for logic in Arabic is a mantra and I think this word is a very good word mantra, Karnataka comes from speaking

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when people speak,

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they speak or

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not in the order that they think

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we always come to a thought come to your mind, you develop it, you evolve it, you put in an order, then after they speak to when you speak about the thought you don't speak the way they come to your mind, you speak in a different order, you want to influence people, you want to make things clear to the people. So montek basically is the end result of your thought process to very speaking, you know, everybody same thing, whenever you start understanding something, it a very initial not very well organized, then in mind has questions, doubts, problems, you keep researching, keep understanding, until you get something clear to your minds, then you speak out then you express it.

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Multiple expression of that thought. This is very good actually. What did that ahrefs have us for a month? They did not say multicolor.

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or thinking this year monthly? speaking to the truth real easy, many people are misunderstanding many people think mantich either, in order to organize your thoughts. Manteca helps you to you know, to get the truth does not mantic had nothing to do with the truth mantic will lead the presentation of your ideal for multiple It teaches you how to present that why they used to call in the pastor Allah Montessori so you know surah forum, this a monster is not really to teach you how you get through ideas is not for people in the hands of the people think if you learn a month, you will know the truth authority it has it gives you the key to find the truth. Man tip does not do this mantech

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only helps you how to present your thoughts and ideas. It could be wrong, but it teaches you how to present it it is basically presentation. It is not how to think maybe it can help a little bit. But actually it is presentation that why they call it Elementor in the past is used to call a full name el mundo sorry, the sewerage Furies from Surah forum to mantic Electric that for a presentation the people have is excited about Greek logic so much they think it helps you to find the truth. It is like people think no to like grammar, you know for the language, if you don't have grammar, you know, you gotta know how to how to how to speak the same thing if you don't have logic you don't

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know how to think there's not really people all will have been thinking mantich in one word, how to present your thoughts, one way we put in China, people in India are people, people before Greeks, they used to discuss they used to present their thoughts and ideas to think really the Greeks are this is one lever to present your idea thought disarm people always have been presenting their thoughts and ideas in every culture, every tradition, Greeks came and they found at least four formal methodology and people now follow you know, Muslims have been following them, but it does not mean this is the only way this is one way to jasha has come become a Christian people think is the

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only way to present your thoughts and ideas to first thing Keep in mind, though people know you they teach you that it helps you how to think, but truth really, it mostly helps you how to present how to present your thoughts and ideas presentation.

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So, this one thing I love to michelia second thing is this logic Greek logic What do they discuss

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it discuss three things, three things basically are the main topics that are discussed in the Greek logic. The first one is that

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so, you know this is summary if you understand this summary, it will help you to understand the whole losing. Recently I wrote an article about this summarizing the very close you too many of them have immediately they wrote to me they said this is the best summary of logic they have got until now. So I wrote in detail. So I'll just summarize to you it will help me to ensure to understand what logic is logic basically are three parts.

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three parts are discussing logic that what I believe all the time by understood

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by the people later on even more on logic everybody this discussing three parts. So as I mentioned Greek logic I got three parts. The first part is

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that no concept do I say you use what concept but Greek loading it makes it more general any single thing any any thing that comes to your mind without any judgment concept

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any any person or any anything Oh house you know what what anything individual which don't put leftover, I say the house is a new to I pass a judgement, it's just like getting my own house that's only what does the house or the table or the cup or the pen or the book illustrator or even the concept or the concept like you know, sort of logic itself, you know, irob Rafa Nussbaum jar or Hades marfo saya di di for this any concept in the world in any sciences, you know, chemistry, biology, any sciences or any individual thing without passing judgment, Greek ways, you cannot know it, unless it is defined

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is a clear no concept can be known unless it is defined properly, definition in which their own definition are listed unless it is defined. So they don't they're not limited this definition to concept then they you know, they extend the definition to anything what any individual ticker to your mind, whatever in like a measure to an example of house under the cup or the pen now, refer unless by Jerry Rob never serve anything or in any sense, nothing can be known to you, unless it is defined as a career. The first major thing that you have to know for everything is word definition. Without definition, you cannot know

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everything must be defined properly, you can't do the word they have explained, then you know it if it's not define you don't know you know maybe part of it, but you don't know things unless unless they're defined to this one important thing they have been discussing dedicated many my discussion in Greek logically because of this definition part, they want to make a differential right that you know whenever you say that, you know property use I know India. So you don't know India, unless India is defined what the boundaries are watching the east of India, what a west of India what is in south of India, it must be defined other I don't know, really, you know, any single IRA, what is the

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IRA, you don't know the IRA by the name, you have to define IRA, then people know what your IRA is, you don't know what ruffer means, unless somebody defines to you what reform means. You don't know what that's with, unless somebody finds to you what massive means. But they expand they expanded this more acutely, not only the kind of stuff that even this which are not concept too far now, but they will say you don't know table unless they will define you will not know human being or a restaurant unless he's defined. You don't know the injured unless and is defined, you don't know the art unless it is defined. You don't know son, unless son are defined, you don't know unless you

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define every single reality, it must be defined, you don't know unless it is defined the clear, the first major thing to discuss in Greek logic is definition. Everything must be defined. And it for this purpose, they have got many, many discussion, no doubt well, to make it very, very clear, you know, the discuss about the works about the meanings about this thing and that thing, and pay until you know really how to define the things without definition. You can't claim that I know it whenever you talk about something, first thing they will ask you define it.

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And this is important, because you know sometimes people debate same thing. And they have two different idea in the mind. It was 72 different angle to facilis. I agree what we mean by that, then you dispute an argue. But if I have something else in mind, you have something else in mind and we are fighting, we're fighting silly for nothing.

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And everything has more than one angle to first let's agree. What do you think about 32 important there why you know Greek philosopher, although have been given the example of elephant, an elephant came to a town and all the color blind. And they want to know what elephant is somebody tied the leg or somebody tied the head and somebody that ties the trunk and somewhat tied the ear and that rider definition what a elephant is everybody defining elephant a cart what they found,

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you know, under a dental system they fight to this is a problem for many, many people in the world, because they get an idea about something. And definitely no, a second person hadn't arrived here. He thinks he knows. They don't agree on the definition. If they don't agree on the definition, they can not agree on the details and they will be fighting

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to the first major thing in Greek logic is definition

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Every concept, every single thing must be clearly defined. If you don't know definition, you don't know it. The only way to know something by definition, that's actually very, very good. I'll tell you the summary of what the same

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Yeah, this is really the call is the song will basically you know, this single concept you know, concept whatever they call this of the soul perception. So, in the in that era latona illa Bill had

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at the sobre la to now Aloo Illa Bill had you cannot perceive something out, you cannot get a concept of energy clear to your mind, unless it is defined to definition in Arabic either had had the means to make clear boundary, unless by definition known, you don't know it.

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Second thing is what the discusses categorization every single thing belongs to a category. If you know that a major category, then you know really this much more clearly, to this another problem for the people is when they don't understand the categories of the things or the people clearly the one has to understand the categories properly, it's really in the matter, which you're discussing in that matter, because everything has more than one category.

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You know, for example, if I want to you know, divide the people in this in a room into a category a counter in many categories, for the people who are two categories men or women is to

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two people who belong to the two category or those who are Parramatta students of a cinema those who just care for this class. Now, some men some women were together and some men are removed the other one I can categorize the category that you know people who are here many of them are already Indian from Indian subcontinent and some are not familiar in some countries, you see another category you can make any category depends on what what you want to achieve. So, it is very important for any discussion that you know the right the right category, right categories are very, very important A lot of

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people don't understand the categories properly, they always keep making I'll tell you another example, which I will have to carry no lie now people discuss the Islamic finance inshallah for this I want to write article but do not write it properly, people discuss like financing and one of the things I found really proud of the categories their door to get categorization properly to further pool in Islam, where you come to river river is the major problem in finance is the reason is alarm actually has you know, so many problems you know, got economics and this harmala what are the major thing the river river two types of Riba Islam, one is called rebel Jamelia river, the river which

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was called Riba even before Islam or when the Parana game or are forbidden completely it was something ugly in every culture in every culture river always have been but do people deal with it? But always have been you know a dirt river basically is when you lend money to you ask people to pay you with some profit to that is revealed Julia then the person Allison and because he's so much I guess river he wanted also to you know make people to be away from any doubt of the river so he said about six things that don't sell there's four there's a gold for gold silver for silver deer solders wheat for wheat, barley for barley, and salt for six things that illa mithila Mifflin they should be

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equal

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to one skill Oh god,

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my workload, your workload it could be my one kilo word is more pure than your is still when we transact you know exchange is must be equal. This one is a fanatic word. There is a river. This river is not in the Quran. This river is what Riba is la ora never forget this river this river cuckoo most of the they don't discuss this river, this river, you know, river, the process introduce and some folks about 25 miles you can shop and hunt, but some people even made extended it with oil. In holiday mode. There's a lot more not only 60 there are many minutes in labor, because of the idler, therefore, but in life different in every 100 people have their own illa moleculer their own

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illa shafia the only law on Hong Kong that is open to every mother basically no one will ever heard of him will have one open nickel molecule. So in the default that everything has reversed some people people, the mega river only limit to 16.

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books at effect on the discus River. They only discuss the rebuffed insula

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and but they read the Quranic verse, the paper that Quran discusses and many prominently many, many parts on the book of philosophy, not under

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Turning the category properly and that is the reason really that people discuss Reber in Akita booboo miserable reason because the secondary above the detectable Islam the professor Lata Bo don't sell goal first goal to be poor thing Riba belong to it hour by hour. They're in a very much 100 female Maliki mother Shafi mother humbling mother in all the books whenever the discuss river The discuss river in the chapter of bio This is the prof the categorization. They did not realize the categories properly. This is one of the objection I have been making st and more Newsline funds has seen from the categorization the truth really the real river which Quran forward which had been

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haraam every culture tradition all with ugly very bad evil sucking the blood of the of the people that Riba is not rebutted by it doesn't do with by it is rebar or it will be launched yet of curb it will lending money if nothing took by the no by their when you make a buy it because something else is nothing to do with by that by porosity. In number by or middle River. No, by a river the two different things done not not for the chapter. Rebel is alarm Billa took it out by two if you want to discuss the river properly discuss rebel tjahaja rebirth the Koran, inequitable carbon and discuss Riba that Professor Mira Riba inequitable by then the people will know what we're

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discussing, because one would be allowed to call on one o'clock two by two, very often people don't know categories properly, that how the confusion comes to second important thing that you learn, illogical to know the categories of the things properly, which category they belong to,

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for Apple, Greek people will say to human being in the sun, in the sun and benard, to the category of haiwan. Anyway,

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when you have this in mind, they're basically you are going to extend to insaan or that reduce of haiwan. themselves, then they're no surprise somebody comes on fire, and there's people that people have evolved from anywhere from for a monkey Kadena, they actually are well have been believed that anyway, that no human being is part of this category, when you have this category, that what will happen

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category, categorization is not solid,

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categorization is not reality, when you make a category, it is not real, in other language like it, it not.

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Categories is always what you remind, every category in mind, nothing to do with reality. So, when I say to people in this room are two categories, men or women, it just in mind, I made this category, I can make another category, third category, fourth category, you know, could be any category or in my mind, it is not external reality, but is there like that, to be differently, how you think that that reveals to the people that how your mind works, to when you think a human being either part of this category haiwan then certainly you will make you know insaan, whatever, all attributes, if somebody else comes and he categorizing creation in different categories, you know, category

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creation or this category, darker, he says, the two task creation, those creations, which are given responsibility, and those which are not given responsibility, those which are not given responsibility, like animals, plants, Star moon, they don't have responsibility, they are no question nothing, those creations which have responsibility, they are theory behind just Ginny's human being is now human being without wonder category. We're actually you know, this I made to you know, to not be logical just I'm thinking you can make this category that creations are two categories, one which had no responsibility on wondershare the sponsor T dot which corresponds to

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three ties one I'm just I'm just a responsible creation, but they can't do evil gene are responsible creation they can do evil they can do good do they do the more evil human being actually also one of the creation which has responsibility? And you know, they're no good and bad and he knows sometimes they do good sometimes they do but you can you then he actually human beings belong to the category of higher own or and just under under it another category it depends how you think.

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So in every science and everything, it must have been known very clear that were the categories what are the categories? That actually is that if that is important enough one suffered, but we'll discuss it Rob, you know, Rafa, Nussbaum Jr. will discuss the roof. All distinctive. People must know the categories sometimes people don't know the categories properly. They don't understand the function of the grammar properly setting. If people don't understand how this works if two people don't know really cut people think how this you know the if part of

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Don't have this authentic, you know,

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lower than that is a you know Hassan and lower than this there are you might laugh at me So I said to you that you know the food are three types

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excellent food, energy health and this and that and immediate food not too expensive and also lower, you know some type of harm but you will still food if nothing you can eat. When you have this definition in mind how this hasn't died, then certainly reminder will come these days.

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If you're not sorry for donor Hasani still had this distributor than they were mindful, if people have this category, the mind had this drive to then agree one of the hottest but lower Cadillac food, if not have excellent food at least lower like you go to Tesco buy you better if not have any good value, but at the same time, same thing, same function, you can do to people think had this diversity, they were the thing in the car that how they look or carry, if they have understood the categories properly, they would have known or heard this music not had this, but they never learned to categorize properly, categories have been different category categories always creates a problem

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in the world always really which category people belong to. It can't divide the people in different output

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to kniffin Hindus and non Hindus and now see the fighting but Indian people can have more than one division, secular people are not secular people, the new religion if you access it without people that you've tried it across many Muslims in many Hindus, they live together non secular, many Muslims many Hindus you can divide it in this way

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you know, it depends how you categorize the people, if you bring this categorization it will completely change everything different thing but if you make a category no Muslims that come out of the we are Muslims and non Muslims are different people to you create a new idea in India different than your your enemies were different. But when you mix secular and non secular people then your enemies are different people who are with you they're different people you make different depressingly how you categorize the people, two categories are very, very poor very I just because the categories, many problems happened in Hadeeth interfere in the fifth in the grammar many of the

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many mistakes I discovered really in all the sciences, because people did not follow right categorization same human human human being in anything Do I really think he in the sun did not belong to any moral category insol without too under category, which we missed the categorization of the things are very very important. The second thing there Greek logic discussing the categorization that every single thing whenever you discuss any size look really let's start chapter you writing creditease

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do you have gotten on this important central idea Do you want to explore central you basically got the central idea has got many many parts. And then you make section past it is very important to understand really that how divided that was chapter sections How about with chapter two section it a very important understand. I mean, many people fail to understand this, that why the thesis of the writing books actually are not very good because they don't really if chapter which section they put somewhere else, they don't understand how to put it

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and when you do mistaken in categorization, your arguments become weak sometimes because it's a silly reason is because you did not do the categories properly. This happens to the Koran when people read the Koran they don't understand the categories properly because people look in the Quran from the angle if it weren't for him, they were just chapter without the Hara Kitab masala or Nikita hora this meeting I know purity and impurity and then in impurity this are the two types impurity NASA and NASA side into that you see an

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impurity happening which you can just understand, like you know, when people don't have Voodoo of people, you know, we have to have a Muslim. So, then how that became harder and harder as luck but other authorities when you have to do another recovery when you go to visit. Now when you make this categorical, what will happen?

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What are the impurity for which you need to have

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what a Kuru Genova higher than then we miss or impurity became in this since in Java, you can read hoorah now when women are in height and divide the country, because it's category you met this category, like about another talk about usage and Alba higher than the fast in general where people can't read the Koran. Too hard this block to the height belongs to the same category, the curry the hora nefas, not to the same category, it doesn't carry. It is all from the categorization. There's no proof on the face of that, that we met in height cannot read the Quran, though.

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leap of faith you're, you know, this artificial categorization, you put women in this category. So you met this category. And because one reason one similarity similarity, because they have to have but there's there's so many things between Haydn and Angela, not similar, the so different things. But because the one similar cut is how you put it youth simply that what makes people to do one category, what makes people to do versus one category, and then all the ruling Euston that it overthrown the categorization, this thing I've seen really in the grammar in those in those sort of two second thing, the Greek logic discusses categorization.

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They're discussed this is very good thing. But they don't follow logically to that why precisely good Greek logic so much. You know, I don't mean that I disagree with everything, not the setting, but they don't implement it.

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They don't apply it, they do same mistake for vehicles, everybody else in the world, they do the same mistakes, is a clear to second thing in good ecological, to know the categories of the things properly the to which category this belongs to, in the source category, major category, lack a lack of I mentioned that we must hide and if asked which category to belong to, if we make it higher than the first in the category of the major interior, but there are certainly in Genova, people cannot read the Quran didn't hide and fast women cannot read the Quran. In Java, you can't read the Quran in the height and effort you can't run in Java, you cannot interact to mosque, in hiding the content

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at the mosque, all those things, they will be applied. And the same thing when you think about the evolve, do you see

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both things are so much different, but never mind never goes because people force you to think they're similar.

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That might might be going on if people have met two different categories, then never might never want to live there to categorization actually are artificial for single it like magic, the force of mind to look at the things in a certain angle, that what people do. The second thing is very close up to know the categories of the things properly is it clear.

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The third thing is whenever you make a statement, the statement or awareness

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in Ohio an argument proof no statement is valid unless it has proof you make any statement you need a proof for every step there's no statement acceptable unless it has got a proof whatever you say in anything you say like for Apple you said this or this bring the proof

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for every statement is proof that no statement would can upset without proof every statement is only valid if it has got proper proof

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without proof no statement has any validity and it's whoever makes the statement doesn't matter is there to match or whether need proof every single statement needs to prove

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even distant people do not follow properly even Greek I will show really there's so many stairs Miss Greek people make them don't have any argument on the face of that neighbor. But

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if people follow distant properly will be safe from so many things

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you know simple thing people say for why the sooner in healthy mother geographically categories further something you know which you obligated to do and evidence is utterly what is something you're obligated to but evidence is not patali this is so nice that the parcel LS alum did or recommended more often and very rarely he missed it The sooner maka The sooner well mocha or dosa salvia. Now you read the details under this category you know things when they mentioned you would follow them without knowing the proof if somebody says so nice something like that. Then your next question should be that you know what the proof

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to follow up 100 females up you've got for rock as soon before Russia.

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What are the proof

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but you said to nice something the person has

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to stroke with a property that no no Hades in the world. Sorry. Although if the Prophet ever did for rocker before Alicia did know this in the internet exists, but it's

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no sound had this no diversity on the face of that the professor's ever default. Then they say no professors I used to do prayer before every clear, but that's fine, then say that, then say before every prayer that will occur, there's no harm there. But when you make for Rockcastle now there mokara before si you putting a new category, new claim this claim is a hidden argument, this thing that if somebody says before every further prayer, there's sooner. There's another claim. For this claim. You need a simple Hobbes the Prophet you say between be between every two hours.

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There is a prayer to miss around and that's fine but when you said before a shopper the Fuhrer cannot to forecast so now they're makeda This is a specific statement. It needs an argument which kind of prove it. There are proof is two people need to prove to whenever you make a statement every statement must have a clear to this important thing very logical that you know every any statement people make in any science in anything in this world. There must be proof if people don't agree proof don't accept but tell me really in this life 34 hours whenever you listen to the statement, do you ask proof

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you follow the I love the story in our suhani daughter of avani in a story about one of the early Atari a lot I didn't remember portfolio a lot Tabby he was sitting on the road and eating in Islamic culture you don't want to eat on the road with some very bad noble people eat in the place of beauty like in the house or restaurant but not on the road very very we can see his friend passed by setting your eating on the road how evil you do how much evil

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he said no don't worry these people who sit around they're not people that cows they're not people that cows over his children that he is he he did all the humility he said if you don't understand see what I'm doing. Then he started giving a speech haha distinct Quranic verses all the people who got together he was karate is when the crowd can huge then he said it this had this has come to my knowledge that anybody who takes out a tongue and the tongue can read to the knows that he will enter to paradise. Then all the payment orders the two cards are tongue uncertain measuring it. He said Don't you see their cows? The cow I just said they don't even think I just say let this happen.

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You come to most an email said this or this and you come to it. You never ask him where the howdy see what the proof is nothing.

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Once somebody asked me Nelson, one of the most good, you know, if I don't put on my topi hotel, is it uh, well, I said you know, having hired or not have he does not make any during the period the rewards are not degrees not nothing happened

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suddenly or not happy. They went to another armbar from Autodesk.

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They said you know, he says if not sooner, he said no, this will not get this intermediate to people come to me. So I said, Okay, that will be here. Soon we will have this.

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Now they don't know why. So we got a monster gotta go and ask him. Until now, more than 20 of nobody following this interview today. People say somebody said in history maybe

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somebody was saying to me, you know that Abu Abu lahab every Monday, he the reward is a punishment is decreased. Because the prophet of war on Monday, and he flew to his celebrity out of Atlanta possum on Monday to hit divorce decrees. I said no, no, don't share these realistic bourassa life formulas up when other costs are that never likely from any individual.

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No, this is a very empowering, go and look, really people just give the lie to you that nobody's ever heard that that existed. You know what bar is something else. But people keep telling all these lies. And going on really all the time. People don't look at the proof properly. So the third thing, their Greek logic actually decided don't accept any statement, no statement valid. Unless it had a proof. It doesn't matter who said it could have a honey fussing marluxia anybody said, then they are not proof. They need to bring the proof. A professor did find a proof after proof, but nobody's proof. They need to prove it. There are so many things in the society, Muslims and non Muslims

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accepted the truth. But if you ask them what your proof, they don't have proof, then keylogger most thing that people teach really, they don't approve further. So these are three some things that discuss in Greek logic, Greek logic, basically, based on the free things, everything comes in is somehow connected to that. So the first thing is that you don't know any concept.

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The concept is not right, right word very weird people use it. It's actually more than that. You don't know any individual thing with a concept of non concept unless it is defined.

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Second thing that discusses that you must know the categories of everything properly, which of categories category it belongs to, okay, if you don't know the category, then you always have a wrong idea about the things all the time that how the people do mistakes in the book really, some time they make a chapter in the book, which had nothing to do with that idea. Somehow they found some similarity and push it to their

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This type of writing will not Academy me because that actually you just you thinking, you know, it did not agree bla suppressor but you

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two people discuss things in draft chapters, they've been wrong chapters in their book, it's all going on in the East in the West, not only Muslims, Muslims and non Muslims both have the same problems of categorization, they don't understand the categories or the things properly. The second important thing is that always a learning category of everything proper analyze it to make research to understand really, and then limit yourself to that idea. And the third thing is that no statement is a valid unless it is proven, unless you get evidence for that through further proof either its own way in Greek logic, but anyway, we agree with that, that no statements valid unless it is

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proven, the clip this must be understood properly, because not understanding this whole problem. cuz sometimes what happens is, you have been learning from your ancestors, certain minors, when somebody asked you why it is important, you don't know you the only part of your gut you have seen the people is not proof. What people do not approve the culture, culture, the not to prove anything or right or wrong. roof is something else that people need to understand. So these are the three things that inshallah we go to learn today in some more details. It depends how much time you've got.

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I mentioned people are born really with logic, they very well allow gay people to fitrah and mind the people used to think even before Greeks, and even after Greeks, people in every culture in our lives, none of everybody ever thinking they have an argument. Always people have been armed people presentation, you look at our poetry, Jamelia, they had no greek knowledge, but very well nice. We must have a nice discussion is very good speech at the Hakeem there used to be hakama wise people, until now you can appreciate it anyhow, the to discuss things that every country used to have. But somehow Greek philosophers, the force themselves in the world pretended to be more scholarly than

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anybody else, to people follow them. And they become like, like magic, too, when a magician comes, and he proved that, you know, this is not a rope, it is a snake, that everybody believes it isn't it and they run away they fear it just just hope they throw a rope. And then they tell you what is next. And then you think it is

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to these people are so powerful, they made all this and everybody will start following them. And they become the most dominant people in the world. So there have been many Greek philosophers

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and the most important among them, no doubt, at least, the one who have called RS two in Arabic or

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English, you Saudis total he was he died in the year 322 before Christ 322 before Christ that he died or distorted to his before Christ.

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No, not really, we should respect him. He's a great man. Many many useful things discord is not like Plato, you know ideal what he basically more concerned about the world receive experiment, understanding things knowing to directly direct research to he has a great offer that most sciences in the world worldly sciences in the east and the west. They come from this man or his total clever man intelligent super clever basically very very clever possibly one of the most clever person on the face of that since the beginning, the way he discussed in the way he made argument proof so the verb the first person who really refined the Greek logic properly developed logic before that, but

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he's the first person defined it refined it make a nicely and Dino put it together in a summary salad is our his total

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Muslims are so much influenced by him if read ugly books off many Muslims, sometimes they're right with his name arasta parleys Rahim Allah Tada.

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He's got his guffin nothing not a Muslim. But you know his name is so sacred in Islam sciences. sometime today I've seen some risk of the right like there are a lot of properties. Rahim Allah tala decorated his name in his life last week. islandwide Lim, Allah would the first teacher

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to receive the first distributor either Muslim, Newell Islam Judaism, Islam, but Muslims like not non Muslim Muslims, right? Allah Allah Allah willing, or his total is mollema what in Islamic books are the mind limit or will the first teacher

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then there have been few other classes? I don't you can see some of names in my book. But I'm calling the one who were the Muslims that after that, actually, when sigh Greek books were transferred to rb, the first major Arab philosopher, thinker

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Man of the Lord you can always get a bonus al farabi abou Nussle al farabi you know in the died in 950 of Christian era 339 in the current Islam calendar man from Bukhara

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the cannoli bokhara is in a central place where all the caramels used to pass by the old ideas, they are exchanged that by Kelly bahara produced many of great thinkers. This metaphor Robbie from Ohara you will see night from there then you see my Buhari from there you can imagine really why these people squared Rockefeller bahara because the car is very central place in the pasture. And if I'm tuned to router liberty or the karmart, from India, from China from everywhere, you know, they they used to come and meet and discuss idea that I thought that important place trouble not so far away from there. He wrote many many books are really clever man and his goal are remodeling my son,

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second teacher.

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So, then after that comes

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a volleyball scene, dime, $1.37 Christian era and in Arabic, Canada, 428. Africa. This man really changed the world, Islamic world. So powerful. He was just a 30 year old when he dictated he did not write his book. You know his astrology was done. He said that one day we asked him that you're traveling all the time sometime here sometime there, write down something it's I brought up the books. I don't have anything to do this but you're not in business to at least dictate we write

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that he dictated that you know what now we have got into the best book on the Lord you can get out Shiva, Shiva from the memory. Not from library is the moon person. He's really super intelligent. cannot imagine it in Islam. You know, just think that this level of the mind when he read his argument in front of him, or ashari, ma 3d Motorola, they look like children. When he criticized them. They look like children. Amazing marriage is so powerful in argument, discussion. This man dictated the whole his philosophy and logic, just from mind. Everything was in mind. He came he bahara he got access to the Royal library of Ohara. The court in the 40s got a big library. He went

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there and his order books.

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And then also he became accepted in physics and in medicine. He wrote in another book on nearly 1000 years, or maybe a little less than that. These two books in a chifa in luxury philosophy, and have gone into medicine. They where they stand most it's best to book in the hole in the east and west. For this study even asked for an cambree until very recently, until 19th century, the the two major was taught

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in the cielo, he ruled the world.

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what rozalia done razali comes he reads a book out of Messina and summarize it it's actually something already in the scene I summarized it. Now people think I'm a pastoral philosopher. Many people think it was summarized as a rise in Kadima that when he wanted to clarify Greek philosophy to half the philosopher, he realized he cannot be Sol unless he, he teaches people what Greek philosophy is to I wrote this book as a philosopher to understand what philosophers think, then they can read my reputation.

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When I was teaching, philosophy, Oxford, to what I do, I used to compare it with a machine other chifa probably examples of same definition is nothing you want to buy what Sim, but chef is very big, MCI summit, I think it was I'll just summarize inglesina Shiva in his whole book. Then I found research really matassa philosophy itself is written by Messina. He summarized the whole thing in Persian then well razali got the manuscript and translated

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now to prove that not everybody is ready guardamar and he just made

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a sinner wrote summary in Persian language

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that white people now found this mystery because my pastor philosopher at the half of the philosopher don't mind if you run across it, to refute it, it should match what you refute that that exists here. And what exists here you refute the dead no might know making it very clear to two different books matassa Written by somewhere else, this from somewhere else, too, anyway. So maybe that is a reminder if you manage to unless you know the name, nobody will read it, to drop his name. Two people can read it from Azadi. carnosine has bad name in many circles. City book, people read it maybe has some good interest, I don't know. But what is proven is the book itself is not rejected

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written by him by Messina himself. You've seen other books that people should really amazing book, it will make you clever, not following the crowd with these people is just so powerful. You really become pressed by them. If you read it

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Justina, you're really amazing. You're amazing, really so powerful, but he knows the limits of what the muscle reading I understood really how clever he is and understanding the limits. So he asked if he says if you ask me, What is 2122? I said double of one.

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Then you asked, What do you want? I will say half of the two, the two Do you understand? The one two depends on one annoying one depends on the two.

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He knows really the limits of the human knowledge he understand completely because I this thing, but he's clever man. He's not he does not know when every time he comes across, that's great. Man many theoretical side is not actually something secret. It is something he Messina himself knew that we have got loose, you know, our knowledge not so perfect, he knows this thing. To to know that there is stupid people, but problem with the follow certain discipline to the war to defend it, they want to prove it, he will tell me and not expect for it to he want to demolish it by Messina to defend it because he restricted. So, human knowledge has no limited this Deb know very clearly anyway, the

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Rosalie's pious person, Sufi, and others are some high spec acceptors Sufi is at the South razali became the most popular person images or curriculum, then he is a summary of a Greek logic, philosophy or like to become if people have been reading Messina would have been much better really, then you have direct access to the philosophy, knowledge much, much more. Now you actually learn Greek logic through if

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bizarrely that why nourish the company he writes his book, The half took the half a good sized rally. And it makes very clear that it was early did not know any philosophy except Misener works.

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And even that one he did not understood properly, take your side very heavily. And that imitates them yes gets them out. As early does not know any philosophy than the books I've ever seen. The only thing got in a single book, the mother saw people become limited to summary of interest in other books. By reality, they're never actually very few people in the world. In the Muslim world, they used to read in Messina in India, the only person last person who used to teach the machine or the work is it

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more for the hacker body. In India, there are one important model server model sahabat data model sir was the only for logical philosophy. The last big and personal in the model server more enough for the hacker Bobby

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and he used to play just a deep logic teacher, CFO on board while playing chess, you know, both thing at the same time. And he used to say that after my death, Scheffer on our own will become rudos meaning it nobody will teach it to after he died. Nobody told these two books. Mother suddenly learned books off other people if she had never been taught. So if I can make people clever, it will give her book anyway to summary at the material. After razali mother said curriculum does not have any direct access to Messina, it will affect it through Mr. vida mulata. His books became very popular

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after

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the man who came to take the subject again for a fresh lead in the Tamia died in the Christian era, 1300 28 and

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728 even taymiyah

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wrote his book, or automatically refutation of Greek people. He also written detailed work to refuse to flush yourself out after his first fluffy all the time anyway, but this book, you know, proper refutation of Greek logic is a method of thinking, very nicely done. In wild luck, have you noticed that the summary can be summarized by by by suti summary rather than summary had been transferred to English by while loved good summary, we did Nice work and he wrote Buddha production, people should read it, it will help you to understand the problem of the Greek logic rectly in Italia, the man who really understood properly or the weak part of Greek logic understood so clearly and then hit him

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and enjoyed you hit and enjoy. It is your you know, really that didn't answer to him. He really didn't answer to this point, you know, not one, one hitting and second, third or fourth, and and definition. I remember nearly 22 objections on definition. the very people said definition to him, he attacks them to two different ways in or demolition, okay, you have no way to defend that we have different defining things. And this a Booker, he really wrote. I'm impressed by when he said that.

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He said I was in Alexandria. You know, an after sore somebody came to me on a study is exactly where Greek classical logic is. I already knew it is actually very stupid. But I never paid attention to write something. Then between sarasa I wrote it

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This thing will return people to ask me to explain a little bit different between the sarasa he wrote the main part of our model

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so powerful people like sheep lean India she really was a champion of Greek philosophy impressed by when he read this his mansion I written a clear answer to one of his weapon with me is more thing but he has been exchange CMT most of them under the all this law is losing flatly when they read their mind change. So some of those are Muslim. inshallah I'll present maybe by the end of the day, if the time is there, but before that, we need to understand what exactly is

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in this oh god I've done we've had a lot for a lot of people, but to understand the difference properly so I followed the way of people but generally is to make it easier to bring more examples because Greek logic people become so lazy only example they have all the time in Lesson One, not just Oh, nothing they don't do anything else all the time you do I bring more brought in a more and more example from in from now on to satisfy and also maybe from Hadith to people understand really, these are things you know, there are many that's in Santa Fe one not the same example.

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So you have to try it for a month to

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get some a definition just to the one of them, which actually make more sense. What monsoon Yeah, assemble Atilla are a little hotter. If you see how much they claim they make it a con. Music law rules. If you know them, it protects the mind from doing a mistake in thinking

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isn't difficult.

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If you know logic, what moves you then you don't do mistaken thinking

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though Really? The truth is they are the one who was thinking.

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But there was a lot more noon Yeah, awesome. A lot to learn on illustrata I feel it a power noon, which protects the mind from mistake in the chinky.

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What are some Amazon? It also called me is actually my mother used to say in one of the books he writes in mocha damato he said Manila you're here to be her. el mapa de Mata Mata Priya Fela. Pattabhi allume he asked Allah, if people don't know monte de we can't trust in that analogy. You got to think that how you become deep. If you don't know logic, then we can't trust anything that you said. A word you must know logic to because that's how you define this day. It depends if you are noon, for text mine from boomstick in the thinking, where some other reason, mute that skill, which tells you know about wasn't the Masonic Masonic meaning it was rude, but if for some reason,

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it wastefully intellect criteria for you, it also called reason

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while Ficker what the the word they use tahnoon yasay will appear on the hotline

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while fakro 30 or more maluma led to add the ILA or more in a major hula thing, what sikkens victory means to put what you know, in the right order, then it resists to know what did you not know? Is that how you learn, you know, you, you you know, whatever, you know, you put in a certain order, then it resists to know sometimes you do not know, the father, would you say A equals B, you knew me just and he also knew b equals C

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to when you put in disorder, A equals B, and a B equals C, then what 13 you know, a equals C,

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mathematical order a equals if A equals B, and a B equals C, then a equals c two so clear that what that means if you couldn't take a meaning that you put a word you know in a certain order, then it will result to know what you did not know that how people think that how we went to the ultimate thing sometimes you ask somebody and he said let me think what a mean meaning that he using what he knows that in order to solve this thing which he did not know. And it helps that our lives matter to people always reach from unknown from known to the unknown all the time, you know something and you don't know something, what you will know helps you to know what is happening, that What secret

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secret this thinking that you know, putting but right order people already do mistake you know put in putting things in order. Sometimes people don't know the right order to then result will be wrong. You have to put things in right order then it will result to know what you did not know if you put a run out there it will be more error, more problems. The people have to put in certain order. Is it clear? There were 30 or 30 mins right order more often.

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Against putting things in the right order to 30 or more Mr. Martin lead to a da da are moving majority to 80 will resulted to know what you did not know why some either another two people are such another sometimes they say nobody what means

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that knowledge, which comes after thinking after realizing

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there are so without

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the rori the knowledge with you know, without thinking,

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the so obvious to you, you know that no new day somebody said that, you know, two is bigger than one is anything defer to note to a number bigger than one, do you need to think do you need to prove it? No, to so clear, some things are very, very clear. But there are things which are not clear, then you need to analyze them that I didn't want Nobody Nobody is there knowledge, which comes either that Africa in a putting things in the right order, in the right order? There is that how can we successfully people are many people don't know, the art of presentation or writing many people don't understand the field. People are clever, they know some type clever people with a little argument

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make more impact than people who have more argument, but they don't know how to prove it.

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Because that's how my mind always flows from something to something, if not really how the mind works. And you're clever, you can make impact very quickly, very quickly under people because you know, really this this how people think you start from doing what they know. And then you lead in what they do not know.

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So understood. Many were clever. They don't know this art. You don't know in India, this was the more emotive more successful than Enola not because he had this argument, no, sometimes our most undersold, not so clever, but he knew how to write, he knew really exactly how to present ideas, to he know how to start and how to do that, why people read his books, many more people in his people, they just his thoughts, they they flow by because he knows how to influence he knows exactly how the mind works, or his writings in this matter, that equals similar people write something consistent, something interesting something this way, that way, sometimes very high or you know labor something

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a lot more and more do these books, or are semi standard, very clearly with applivery done, he knows exactly how the mind was, this is one of the best example, after good presentation India really even the people who know people who are secular, not secular, nobody has got this power, that why one person alone, you know, he fought or secular people, who those who come against him, anybody they cannot stand, because he exactly knew how to present his argument, many of them who oppose him, they feel reasonably, maybe they have they have more knowledge, but they did not notice a skill. This is a very, very particular that why do you need it important to know how to present that how the

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western people very often succeed? Sometimes somebody in the West arrives something unhealthy. He does not know more how this then our mind dovan than somewhere else. But he knows how to present. He knows how the mind modern mind works. He believes those doubts authority, which can just problem and then he succeed. And you come to answer you don't know this minor the people you feel to know that you don't know or not if you don't know how to present it. You have to know ideally, how human mind works. how people think you don't have this idea. This is a very, very important that why Ibrahim was so successful. Ibrahim al Islam knew clearly how human mind was there for him, it was very easy

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to affect to make it very easy. All his arguments are based on that when he smashed the eIders when he said you know start I don't love those set in disappear. Or these are based on his understanding of human mind that way, every time we say something, people have no argument. They're speechless. When the king said an Alfa Romeo I can bring life and death. And he will even I myself sir suddenly said, My Lord bring son from the east, you will from West. He knew exactly how he thinks this month. He knew exactly that. This is one thing that this way. He will and this is for white America. That what many people in the West are really you know, the, the newest theory, they don't teach people

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truth. No. This is a mistake. People think they learn people, people learning the truth. Truth is something else. But the lovely presentation how people can present it the ideas that were the successful they know how to influence you. present this presentation is the most important thing in the teaching that actually we're very close up presentation. Unfortunately, we all ama Muslim women don't understand the presentation. That by the key feeling that why there's a big big gap between them and particularly modern Western society, or the young people in India. They really are this

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Different old among all the new I was invited to woodrat just last year we can many women are Muslim women they can move to the left Islam so people wanted to address them I can I ask them actually all of the civil clearly that we have no religion because Alma don't come to a note on what they say we don't understand. We don't understand the language to be guide between them and olema the language they speak nobody speaks

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and the language that people speak Dolma don't write, to tell me how technical guidance you need really this this is a very important understand how human mind works, how they move from one thing to another, how they are comes to you have to bring a demo. Those are things which can lead to people. If you want to teach people there must love Allah, you should know very clearly what makes people love someone. If you don't know this thing, you never can make people to love Allah. If you understand what makes people love to someone, then you bring all that nice order there. You don't need to set to the level they will level just you need to bring those things in right order. People

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don't do this too.

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If you want people to become lucid human, it has a clear certain posts in the mind if you don't understand it, not many Muslims preach the death thing. The reason people don't believe in Islam, because they think they can't prove God, if they can prove god they will believe No, you're wrong. shaitaan was God is a believer

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for when God is not something real, something else in there, that the current chronic chronic are different. We never make effort how human mind works.

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That way good writers are those who know these two properties or this art is very important to understand how the human mind works. There are people like in the scene, or you went in with Damien, they're so successful, because they exactly understand how mind works, that when they're right, they convince people they influence people, because they know how the mind works. Or the data right, the data can be lasting forever reason because they know human mind. We don't understand. So one important thing is the article secret that people are moving marble machine led to the era or moving image of hula in water what you know, in right order, not any order. Any order is wrong.

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When you go for the prayer, what do you do? Or do and prayer.

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But if you change order prayer, then

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what will happen

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is a prayer. If people pray first, then they do that they said we did both.

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It really got to have an impact. No, we'll do then prayer the impact on your heart and your mind maps in your folder if you play and then tomorrow same time you spent some time but you you basically lose all the results because you did not know the order right order over a very very very poor dad by the emphasis as I understand this what 3030 with a very very important degree organizing this in right order is a very very important that why many women you know they are very successful because they know exactly this. So you come to your house you serve to your house it's very new. You think I did not give any money to my wife? She not by me. But what she's really she's clever, she

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just move your bed from where he used to be somewhere else. New Order the new order look new look, there's nothing else she's not spending money just did what she did really just she changed order

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this order well, or that I might have told you just put further same thing in New Order. You know, the whole mind was just you make a new order something doing much better all the time. keep happening. clever people, they use this very unnatural you really desire understanding most if you attend the seminars, it is a steal the truth really, they don't have much substance, but exactly know that time, the space, how the people of the time think they know how to manipulate the mind how to prevent that to be the very, very important thing. You don't inherit any knowledge, same knowledge, but a new order that I called that what they said 30 that I'm saying Greek logic is

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presentation. The Don't be thinking that you know it, it helps you to know the truth. No, it doesn't have anything. It only helps you how to influence how to impress people. Greek logic tells you how to impress people.

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After knowing logic does not mean you can ignore the truth in the world. No, you've got to be careful. Greek logic a Kaffir can expert of Greek god who does not know anything, but what Greek logic can help him to present things in a certain way which can influence the mind that it does an art v people don't learn to just do one or more modules. I can spend more time on that. But let's move to we have some more knowledge. Why don't you know your order for a month.

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The only one you have to

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On a larger site, some people summarize

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montek Minister the rules of correct thinking,

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right thinking think you know? Yeah, do one for a minute one to put little Vickery can now mantich the same thing for force. I don't know that for the language. If you want to speak current language if you want to write your current language, what do you need to learn grammar? If you learn grammar, it will help you what marfo What a mutsu What image rule variable serif mabuni more of all those things that you write properly, if you don't know that now you could do mistake to 70 if you want to think rightly the way to learn Greek logic it will help you to think about the claim don't think that I've never actually I don't say this thing but that what they say they're Greek logic is to

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help you correct thinking to Greek logic logic is for the thoughts same thing what grammar for the language

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now they come to define undefinable to die for you what elements isn't really everybody knows will now see

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the tsunami definition every definition objects in every definition if you read how to define knowledge, you become a pirate. So my definition gave a clever people but no single definition which is pure the all of his people themselves are created nobody else say they have such good sizing everything do I just get a one of them is dizzy I know really impossible to bring any any good definition Hola, hola, Surah Surah Sheffield

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What do you learn from that nothing really by any way that what they say you know the form of something come to your mind to an alien music coming of the form of something in the mind to not leave the house in the house came to mind that in the form of the house came to mind none of the painting the you know your mind got the form of the mind, if painting the mind to basically knowledge on mind simple matter, whatever comes to the mind reality is already there anyway, to the one reality because part of your mind it was knowledge to any reality when is reflected in your mind that your knowledge you know like is it exist all the time, but when you saw you now, you know he

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was already there before you know it, but you're not he means he became your mind to whenever form of something come your mind it is your knowledge that what the thing that is the carrier that is already existed, like you know started already there. But when you learn about a star, then you got your knowledge to reality or whether there but not at the when when it becomes a part of your mind is reflected in your mind to DISA hasura so the shell filled up with

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the knowledge people get it two times. Sometimes you get knowledge of the things without any judgment about it. Just I mentioned like you know, when to wander one other know that the pen is good.

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You know, welcome to where you get an idea of something without any hokum. There's the corpus of the salt water, Miss syrup sutra, when sutra of the tungsten, come to your mind that the sub word, perception, in concept is part of perception. So I think maybe one of the tarsha could be just perception to perceive something. And that's really when you make the ultimate, you said the pen is good

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to this judgment, the when you have Fuller, you know knowledge with the judgment that is called to speak, when you have a complete knowledge just in a surah of something the mind without any judgment, good or bad or anything that it is joining me to type the some of the some favorable use where I said to you house, in that knowledge comes to your mind when I said the house is good. It's another knowledge delegate to defensive. If I said to Muhammad,

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son of Abdulla, Salah dermatol, do you get another but when I said Mohammed is a messenger,

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is different notice the two different is Muhammad stand up to last and ultimately one now this Muhammad, the messenger, the Nadi,

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that were the mazursky confused organically. Very often you find out people present prophets Allah Allah salam,

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but they do not praise Him as profit. They praise him either Muhammad me are beloved of the Muslim and you are confused. And you think on Monday he didn't get any punishment.

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The one we love to some somewhere else he's not living merciful. When he became my say he hated him. He's one of the worst enemy, reward or punishment with our Muhammad Rasulullah if you believe you get rewarded, if you don't believe God punishment, Mohammadi not the lender, no reward no punishment, it like part of any society is part of the safe family. He loves it that you know he's a brother got a son, he has to love anyway. This lug nuts to the maharana we keep doing mistake many many orientalist, the prey the parcel Allison are Muslims you can very happy. You don't understand what the prayer is something else in there not creating what you want.

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Like when you go to Zoo and you see a monkey, you praise it. And there's your donkey, you praise it. Then you see all the animals you present.

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If somebody asked me Do you want to become donkey because I loved it so much? What? No, no, I'm a human being I can't be like donkey. What right praise? You praise are something but he's not the donkey is better than you when they praise Muhammad Sallallahu Sallam not as a messenger

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or something. If you ask them, why don't you become like him? There's no no we are superior to him. You know, he's nothing. They don't think he's the product gnosis always keep on misunderstanding. What the what the truth anyway, hokum is very important do what really people say you have a healthier mind. And if people have another if somebody said to you, Muhammad was the best Arab

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you looking

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at a bath party, Saddam Hussein's party, they used to say Muhammad is the best Arab and all those are bad parties, you know, the proud of him and you think oh, this depressing so much. No, the prayers in any human being they're not brilliant by the Messenger of Allah. The big difference between them to help them is very important to you. Is it clear to knowledge these two types are so good, I'll test the the summary when you have a hook knowledge without

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the stick when you know something with African and a hook me the very very important thing that how you could defer some time to people pray same thing. But complete token one by President cause moment on one vice president of culture, same thing, the press otherwise Capital One the moment why, look at two different nerve centers do the same, remain the same, but that's different from day to day. He's saying something that's using something else to different esteem to always understand you're not Mr. Lucky English also said you're a bit oh my lord Isn't he say Audra Robbie. Oh my Lord give me if he said Robin, you get rewarded, even if I sell up big do I get good or not? And that

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reward way Melissa robidoux to get in is actually a big frfr. merciful, same word, by two different people, two different hakuba. They're two different What has this does require a different technique also is very important. Just Firstly, which book of events you know, we've recommended it was a corner on the second question, Jeff, in terms of the intercom mate of tariffs have

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are they for example, there's another definition is any problems in this or I'm trying to understand how to critique the definitions if you like. So there's a definition which says it's Raka Shea Allah, Allah, he's rockin Jessamine.

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Does this work at all? So what what's about the book of juicing is the book or knowing that you don't know it is a Shiva Shiva. operative Now, as far as the medicine he writes, are for the philosophy of Shiva, because if I miss like during the mind, to recall the mind, I mean, rather for our own Belconnen is not so good doctor is good

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Can you read a cannula we're reading part of it sometimes same in open art has to news

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and discussion in both section in a ton of different to realize a pleaser because the Mussina has got this information from two different sources in which was this new one and he followed that he did not analyze himself there are many things left without analyzing in one way shape is much more much much better book merchandise later what second

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Yeah, because this is all the problem really is it? Then how do you know to knowledge if you know things IDT then it is big thing. Do people know things is there? What me Really? You know then if you've done that, is it is it knowledge or not? So there's so many discussion Not only is the event the summer was good, I mean, what do I mean by solar? When people say some form of something come to your mind? What solar means?

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What was what are Mussolini what form is what exactly you know if you keep going deeper and deeper you really don't know what do we know things are not it all I like it like Odeon you know it is just you know, one layer second layer what reality they don't know really. That the big problem in logic that really what we know

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Do we know things either they are or we know something? What What is that? What knowledge is? What do you know? How do you know where do you know? Tell me I'm teaching you since the morning to how do you know the time right?

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If you did not know before, now learn from me first time to how do you know really without teaching right or wrong? How do you know this is how you're going to accept my arguments to the public. From very beginning the plug in anytime you walk into my library must exercise them to this he still until now until this time, that no single thing they have defined properly every definition problem and they say you can't know something unless it defined and until now you've not defined anything you don't know anything. They're what they say they say you can't know something unless you define and until now you are not able to define anything that nursing even he want to say most obviously

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human being even human being they don't know how to define. So my definition or a problem none of them are agreed upon

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Even they don't know human being they don't

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you said people do not understand the categories of headings properly and that they wrongly assume that they've had these type of headings. But you also say that categories exist in the mind and are not objective so how is it possible to have a right category and a wrong category on categories subjective

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in leave objective subjective maybe I could have that I'm just trying to say things are not good with the with the categories and that's what I do not make human being in the category of one that no category existed you make it correct this correct characterization just in mind mother people, categorical change it because we're discussing I'm trying to say that whenever you discuss about any point, first thing you really from which angle you look at that point from that anger, which category it belongs to, if you understand properly then more likely you'll be right. But what happens is people have a certain idea of certainty to a certain category discussing a point which

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had nothing to do with the category is still key bring that that what creates more more problem subcategory knowing that no solid category categories keep changing because it just in mind depressingly how I look at the things that I think you know, human being in one angle could be animal if you're discussing life, body, flesh, blood. Yeah, it is similar to the animal but it looks from jungle looking. If you look from the angle of the Quran, responsivity duty Amman and all those things, then you can Siliguri in that one he was

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in a pedigree that actually no I'm jealous and Jin and the human being one category or risk Krishna category, it depends on which angle you look at. problem is people think angles are something solid all the time to keep up now same category in every discussion that I said there's a level of one obvious example is rebar in all the books of every mother, what a major mistake they have not really not know the category of the river and that why when they discuss about the Quran, they feed the mistake not one mistake meaning stick I'm on my mind to decipher two categories are not solid, it is mine, but it helps you know when you make for a mind something does not mean it is not real meaning

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basically either it is something which is not either luck related, but certainly as water has given people not it you know not not every knowledge ever created, but my mind was really there or something

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Okay, let me explain the difference.

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The reality is the world.

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This one knowledge, I know you I know this person I know this person, I know this person, this one basic knowledge.

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And not even more advanced than that is knowing the relation between two things. This relation is not created this relation understood it is only mind that what actually basically people need to interpret categories these categories means that in relation with that reality, which is does not exist in externally, but it is there in the mind, that it's another reality to knowing the connection between two things, that is not fight did not something you can see but in fact in the mind, two categories belong to that reality within the mind, but not externally. Externally that no relation between two people like somebody's father and son, can you see

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it in the mind?

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Somebody believe an unbeliever Can you see it with a category in the mind all these categories are in the mind, that is also knowledge, the truth but is something only in mind to Allah has given people to knowledge one knowledge is knowing the reality or second thing is knowing the relation between realities how they're connected together like if an apple you know the ear, you know the nose, but how they're connected, what how they how they you know, make something in together what how they agree they are distinctly that another knowledge. So that what character categories means to understand the disconnection, dissolution, how something like a major impurity. You know, when

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you make Genova hard and fast or together to knowing how this these things are connected, that actually what category it's in mind. It could be right to be wrong, you can proceed with your mind. It is not there a lot hotter, never say that no, no relationship, the highs and the fast unity. It is in mind.

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Shift as I call her, I just wanted to ask a question about about the books on Montauk. We often hear a book called Isa gorgey. What does that date to and do you recommend it? Yeah, no, it's very early because it is a it is written by second person after our total. You know what we sent our vehicle and we for for us. He was in Lebanon, to hear the one who wrote he's just confirming. It is a woody in Greek minister medical. So that was the motherhood analogy. And then it started to Armageddon.

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Written by author man, the Wesley and then summarized by a theologian I'm a father of Norma Bari his book become more popular but his book he said was you know, mother said when this is a woozy, it is actually translation or somebody by Allah very advisable can become very popular This is related to how we understand logic. So there's a major, major debate amongst Greek commentators was logic as to what was a philosophy and this debate seems to have manifested itself in the Islamic tradition, where ghazali argues that it is a two, whereas even Tamia seems to argue as philosophy. Now considering chef, you've written a book on it, where do you stand on this debate? Do you think logic

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is a tool that can be taken away or distilled from its Greek, you know, systemization or qualification? Or is there a kind of philosophy which has a metaphysical baggage that cannot be detached as such? No, it is both really, it is a great philosophy, when we develop this tool tool, it is still the philosophy, the boat is out there, and both a split in logic existing will they make this rule and how they found out is it philosophy, though, but also basically, what they wanted to do is follow the philosophy they wanted to get some rules, which can help them to measure the either the philosophy with the right or wrong, but when that develop the tool that are so as a result of

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philosophy, thinking, it did not exist anywhere. It is, you know, the rule that discovered the inventor, that was itself philosophy. So, you know, the way in this time Yes, precisely because he had to create

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logic as a philosophy. But, you know, because they're effortless when you want to decide philosophically Did you lose don't work in Ghana, right. What in the Eman was a whole lot of blue really thinking, you know, like grammar, you know, his father, people, if people know these things that it can help but primarily these rules, if you look at their philosophical background, you can see how weak they are not that they're not so strong, the grammar, grammar is based on very solid ground that is different, is different, very, very polished Accra, basically miss the strategical examples of the Arabic poetry language or the user. And they found a common pattern, that how people

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learn in this world, in istikhara, Greek philosophy regular is not based on etc, it is something that is something else they do what they currently their own chaos, they may kulia themselves to philosophy, logic to philosophy, but logic is simply the result of philosophy. It came out of the dead why with me, I had to diminish this last week, that in the way he invented the fifth Iran mistake, it is to to philosophy, but our fundamental philosophy regarding the categorization of the field of category, how do you perceive our status, you know, category theory, where he talks about substances and accidents and qualities and so on and so forth, which is a specific form of

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categorization rather than how you elaborated in terms of general sense. You know, in the sciences, when people make categories, anybody that is truly one of the best person, no dog, generally, for the purpose that they make are very, they're very successful. Very good, no doubt about that. But I'm trying to secondly, sometimes categorization the problem hypothesis, the angle that they look at, etc, to correct people, when they put the categories they had their own angle. So for example, for human being they met when they make human being under the category of the one, we don't deny that it is true, because for the purpose of what to do research, human being, the human being that

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actually Greek not only Grigory or the scientist, the human being that they study is a basically dead human being, you dirty human being that what the study does a dirty human being belong to the category of animals, that in sand that a lot of divers in the Quran dirty, the inside, which has got a soul, mind and heart, that the melting this inside does not belong to that category, it's a completely different from the human being does not have the same soul does not have this might might that might trigger heart, certainly sometimes when the people have got a category, if you limit the category to the peripheral subject matter was discussing, they define but when people generalize and

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make a solid, that a mistake comes to Microsoft got a got too many of these categories, they have made something solid, and they keep extending it to every field every everywhere, there were the problem comes if people limit for what they want to I want for the purpose of the medical treatment, human body and non human body. They're similar. We keep them in same category, you can understand, you know, there are some similarity. But if people want to generalize it, and they make really human all the time in the category of anyone that the problem comes to wherever you can see the science within the physics a new biological dose, and the categorization is very good. We don't have any

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problem that in that limited area. What I'm saying when people generalize it and apply it to somewhere else is that the problem comes

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