Mohammed Hijab – Intellectual Seerah #19 The Conquest of Makkah

Mohammed Hijab
AI: Summary © The history of Islam is a combination of violence and protection, with protection being a quote, your honor, and the loss of peace being a quote, your honor. The importance of protecting guests from infection and the use of animals in different cultures is discussed, as well as the use of shiny words and predictions. The speakers emphasize the importance of strong messages and the use of " Free speech" to describe actions, including the use of " Free speech" to describe actions and emotions, and the importance of " Free speech" to describe actions and emotions. The speakers also discuss the negative reactions of Muhammad's actions, including his views on the removal of coppers from important events and the use of it as a way to assert one's political stance.
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How are you guys doing? And welcome to

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this new session of the intellectual where we're

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going to be discussing potentially one of the

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most important things, one of the most important

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events

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of all

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of human history. Yes. It is. Fat Hamakkah

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or the conquest of Mecca,

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the time where is it is demarcated

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in human history

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where Islam started to proliferate, really, if you

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think about it, outside of its own geographical

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borders.

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This is when Mecca was conquered by the

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prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam.

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This is the time where we can analyze

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the behaviors, the psychologies

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of not just a prophet himself,

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but his companions as well.

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In fact, by looking at some of the

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things that have happened in the Fatha of

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Mecca or the conquest of Mecca, we're ill

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also able to see the extent to which

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Islam is, quote, unquote, religion of violence,

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a religion of barbarism,

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of backwardness,

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of killing the people, innocence, and so on.

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Because we will see

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the magnanimous

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nature of the prophet Muhammad and

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the forgiving nature of this man.

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Because let me tell you something

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before we start.

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I should say this,

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that many people look at the life of

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the prophet and they say, look at him.

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He's a man that was obsessed with war.

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A man

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that was engaged in military warfare all of

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his life.

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A man

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who inspired those people to conquer all these

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territories and colonize the world and so on

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and so forth.

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This is probably the most long standing moral

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argument against Islam. In fact, Montgomery Watt himself

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states that interestingly,

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I was looking at his assessment in his

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book about the Sira,

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and Montgomery Wat doesn't mention anything about the

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age of Aisha in there at all, 0.

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From what I remember, he does not mention.

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He has a brief mentioning of Zena bin

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to Josh.

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But he supposes that really, he's saying this

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himself in the 1900, before the new age,

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before whatever happened.

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That the

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greatest moral argument against Islam is an argument

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from violence.

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Because once again, the medieval

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Christians, for example, the Crusaders and

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the Spanish Christians and all these other Christian

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nations,

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they needed to make sense of their own

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defeat.

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So instead of

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mentioning that this is a success from the

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Muslims, that this is barbarism. This is violence.

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This is so on and so forth.

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But I say

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that this Fat Hamakkah is one of the

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best

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evidences as an argument

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against this notion.

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And that's why it's very important for us

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to look at it.

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Our first thing is,

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you'll find that there was a treaty. We

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spoke about it before, the Treaty of Hudaybia.

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And the Treaty of Hudaybia

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actually was amenable

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to other people coming in

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and attach themselves

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to the protection of either the Qurashis or

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the Muslims.

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So you have 2 major tribes,

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the Huza

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and the Banu Bakr.

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And historically,

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the Qurashis

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were connected to the Huza tribe, which is

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a major

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tribe.

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And the Qurashis,

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had the pact with Banubakr,

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the polytheist

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Qurashis. So in the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah,

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the Muslims had allied themselves

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with Huzah

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and the Qurayshi pagans had allied themselves

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with Banu Bakr, which means, as you'd know

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if you started even 20th century history,

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that an attack on the tribe is likely

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attack on

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the protectors of the tribe. That's why in,

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even in modern history you had for example,

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Austria, Hungary, and then you had, you know,

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Italy and so on. You had all these

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different people allying with each other. You had

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the allies.

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In 2nd World War, you had the allies,

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you had the axis.

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And that one an attack on one nation

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meant the attack on all of the nations

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that were allied to those nations.

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So this idea of allegiance

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was something which continues to this day. It's

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not foreign even to European ears,

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which is ironic because many people don't understand

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this or this context.

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So what happened was the Berubakar

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decided to attack the Huza. And don't forget,

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the Huza were under the protection

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of the Muslim people.

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But what was more troubling and disturbing

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was that the Huzah

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decided to attack

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sorry. The decided to attack the Huzah

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with the tacit permission

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of the Qurashis,

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the pagan Arabs. They knew it,

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and they let it happen.

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And bear in mind,

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that from For a long time now, the

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Muslims had been a dominant force. They could

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have gone in with force and broken the

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agreement, but as we said before,

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the word is your honor. And Islam, the

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idea is your word is your honor. You

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cannot break an agreement unless they break it

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first.

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And they did break it first.

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And they broke it by tacitly colluding

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with the Banu Bakr

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to attack the Huzaa, which was under the

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protection of the Muslims, and they had a

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joint allegiance together.

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And as such, now, officially,

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the contract had ended.

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However,

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the prophet

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did not pronounce did not announce this to

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the people.

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Because had he announced this,

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they would have tried to, a, either reconcile

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or, b,

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they would have been prepared for defense.

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In either case, it would not be in

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the interest, the political interest of the Muslim

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people for such announcement to happen.

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And so what happened was,

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Abu Sufyan,

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who now, as we remember,

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he was the guy who was the general

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in Uhud and so on and so forth.

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Now, probably the undisputed

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leader,

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he is the undisputed

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leader of Mecca.

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Abu Sufyan is the undisputed because who is

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who else can take his place?

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But now he knows that there is, the

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balance of power has changed.

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And as such, she goes to

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Al Medina

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to try and seek some kind of reconciliation.

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But I looked at some of the Hadiths,

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and unfortunately,

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they're all

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inauthentic.

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I mean, I didn't come across a single,

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authentic,

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Hadith about the story of Abu Sufyan,

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going to Medina and so on. I only

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saw them in the Sira literature like, you

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know, Ibn Hisham, Ibn Ishaq and this one,

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that one. In fact, some of the contradictory,

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in some of the minor details that did

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he go to the prophet Muhammad first, or

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did he go to Omar Bla Omar and

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Abu Bakr Siddiq and Ali ibn Abutaleb first?

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But all of

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them bring a picture that he was basically

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rejected by everybody.

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And Ali was the most soft with him.

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And the Umar was the most tough with

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him. This is the bottom line.

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And that this is, you know, he came

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there trying to seek some kind of protection.

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And the story show that kind of thing.

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In fact, even one of the narrations

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show that Abu Sufyan

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went to Al Hassan,

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who was a boy, to try and seek

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protection.

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I mean, you imagine the levels here. This

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is almost now, so to say, a humiliation

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ritual.

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This is what this is.

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I mean, when you go to because he

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knows the idea anyone can give you protection.

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And let me a pop quiz.

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When was the time when we spoke about

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last time where somebody gave somebody a protection

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who was non Muslim? So so a Muslim

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gave a non Muslim protection. Who who remembers?

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Who? Yeah. Yeah. Go on. What's what's his,

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what's her name?

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The prophet daughter?

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Fatima. No. No. Not Fatima. Zainab. Zainab. Yeah.

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Zainab. Yeah. There you go. Zaynab. Zaynab. Her

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husband. And who who's her husband called?

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Abelas. Yeah. So that so she was given

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it. She was given it's it's unfair if

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you get involved here.

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We usually ask you for the answers.

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Yeah. The answer and the protection was given

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and the protection

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was given. So this idea of a listed

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man,

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a mystic man where you give protection to

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someone,

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if anyone gives it,

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anybody in the Muslim world. And as I

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said, we spoke about before the Taliban, it

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was it's very,

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you you know you know best. So

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tell me more about

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okay. You guys should tell me,

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from Afghanistan because the the idea of a

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statement still applies, doesn't it, in Afghanistan? Still.

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So we have, a tribe in Afghanistan.

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So

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they are called.

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Meaning in Pashto, pig.

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Wow. So it says that once a pig

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seek refuge in a house of an,

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somebody over there,

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and other people were after it, chasing it

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to kill it. So the people take a

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refuge and then fight,

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become

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it become a fight between people while you

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give protection to this animal because they hate

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it. And they say, no. This is a

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refuge that it takes. So it's called Hogyari

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nowadays.

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The name of that Say that again? Yeah.

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Hoyani. Hoyani. Some people have said so the

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idea of the

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so

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some people,

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in our country, they still think and that

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this is a reality that for 1 Arab,

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we destroy the whole country.

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So after Bin Laden

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for 1 Arab, we destroy the whole country,

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and this show the level of

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importance of this,

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estimate. Yeah. So after Osama bin Laden, he

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was in Afghanistan.

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And after this 911

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so the United States asked Taliban to hand

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hand him over. Yeah.

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And then, they rejected and said he is

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a Muslim, and we need to protect him.

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If they can ask you a question. If

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if it was, like, for example, a non

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Muslim,

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because we know Islam that a non Muslim

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can get a stickman

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from the Muslims. Has that ever happened in

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in Afghanistan? Still still it would happen because

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Yeah. They feel that whoever, even a pig,

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if he is sick and refuse, still you

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need to that's a that's good news for

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you there, isn't it? Yeah.

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Yeah. That's that's a moment somebody will become

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proud of it

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because,

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they they they will fight for it.

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Really? Yeah. If somebody's coming to take him

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or take it,

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that's why so So that's in Afghanistan. Is

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that is that Pashto culture, like, throughout all

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all the Yeah. Yeah. Europe,

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some sometimes

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so Afghans,

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they, accuse the neighbor countries

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for handing over some people to Americans or

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others and still they they

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see that country

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as not having a iira or something because

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why you hand over a Muslim to non

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Muslim

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Mhmm. And you're giving because of money or

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political interest, whatever. Really? You need to destroy

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the country but

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keep him. Hold him. Yeah. No. No. He's

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a Saudi Arabian.

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Really?

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No. No. No. No. Come on. He's, he's

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as he said, they destroyed the country because

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I want an Arab.

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Yes. Somebody is a guest in your home

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Yeah. In our culture.

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Can you tell us what your culture is

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and Kurdish culture. Yeah. Can you tell us?

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No. But Ali doesn't know anything about this.

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Much much much.

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So you you're obliged to protect them with

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your life?

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So

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or even your village Mhmm. They're obliged to

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protect the with their lives. Yeah.

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So nobody can harm the guest. So it's

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in Kurdish culture, it's in past due culture.

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What other what other tribes are really good

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with this, would you say? Well, I'd say

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central Asian. Definitely not the Egyptians in this

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matter. I I can't I don't even know

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what what tribes they have there. In Somali

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culture, bro, is there anything there?

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Do do do do they do it? I

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think Somali is quite principled as well. Yeah.

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No. No. I'm saying I'm saying this idea

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of a stiff man. I'm trying to figure

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out what tribes still have there.

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No. In Yemen like, Yemeni culture, a 100%.

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Like, you know The Chechens, Dagestanis probably have

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this. Central Asia. I'll be Central Asian have

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it. Yeah. Absolutely. Or do they have tribes

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like that as well? Yes. Yeah. The Tamil

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people, Rahu Mountain people. Anybody, any mountain culture,

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they will have something similar to this. Mhmm.

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But for us, if if if you're a

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guest in my house,

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within the four walls Mhmm. That I occupy,

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I'm obliged to protect you with my life.

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It's like that as well in Sheikh in

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Saudi Arabia with some of the tribes, isn't

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it? Yeah. Yeah. What's that story? Did you

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guys see that story? I can't I remember

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that. These 2 men run into they gave

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protection and then,

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like, it came at a cost where they

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lost their children. They set their kids on

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fire or something. Where have you guys heard

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of it? Recently. No. No. No. It's

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I heard of someone. It was it was

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like this. They gave them protection. They were

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saying, listen. We will kill your kids. They

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killed my kids. Really? Yeah. They killed the

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they killed the kids. It's way. In a.

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They said, no. I'm still not letting them

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go. That's how it works. Yeah? Yes. It's

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like that. It usually works in that like,

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this is really more mostly in the tribal

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cultures, isn't it? Like

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Baluchi. Baluchi is in that. Yeah. Baluchi. Absolutely.

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Yeah. Not only kids, they will destroy the

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whole community. Yeah. Yeah. Care. But still, they

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will keep that name that they protected that

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guy.

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And they remember these stories go back 500

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years. You know, you'll remember something.

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I'll remember when such and such protected my

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family. I think it's so honorable, isn't it?

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It is. So beautiful. She can't have this.

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This guy Yeah. They didn't. Did. Yeah. So

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It's such a weird Did they have a

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Sheikh de Mushrik? So they have it as

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much?

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They do have that. Yeah. Yeah. The prophet

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himself was yeah. And he utilized it through

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one of the heads of I mean, I

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mean, let let's be let's be fair to

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the Europeans here. Back from Taif.

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Oh, the Europeans have it as well. Do

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they? Of course, they have it in the

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form of citizenship

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because they will protect you so long as

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you have the passport.

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Yeah. But if it's the same guy, but

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you're in another country, don't kill you bro.

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Don't give

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a damn. You know, if you're in color

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then it's

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equals 100 years of loyalty. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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So if you if if I drink a

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glass of water in your home Yeah. Give

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me that water so I can give it

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to my wife.

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They'll they'll still have a problem with it.

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They'll still have a problem with it, by

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the way. In our country, we we say

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we say tea. Mhmm.

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Tea has a if you have a shell

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like a tea or something. Absolutely. Really? Yeah.

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That's that's really, really profound. How are these

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Europeans? They send them to Rwanda.

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Rwanda is a beautiful country, by the way.

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The the the the the the guys are

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being sent there, they're already thinking that they're

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gonna go to some shanty towns or something

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like that. They're coming out of East London

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or West London or something. They land in

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Rwanda. This is better than where I was

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before.

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Rwanda is the Wakanda. You've seen it before,

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haven't you? Yeah. Look, I was there a

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few weeks ago.

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Rwanda is amazing. It's amazing but it's so

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clean, isn't it? I've seen the vlogs and

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stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Beautiful. Organized.

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Why Rwanda? It's it's the most organized African

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country. Why are you sending them there?

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Yeah.

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I don't know why they are to all

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countries, but Rwanda is a is a very

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organized and very money motivated

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country with the price is right.

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Okay.

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So that was a humiliation ritual

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that that he had to go through.

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So what's really interesting is that the serial

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writers say that the process of Islam didn't

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tell anybody about what he was gonna do.

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He didn't even tell his wife, he didn't,

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you know, Aisha,

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he didn't even tell, a wakasiddiq,

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which is closest friend. He didn't tell anybody,

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about anything.

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And 10,000 fires gathered,

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and there's a famous story. I'm not gonna

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go into too much detail about this, but

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there's a famous story of how to be

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in the.

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Now this guy

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called

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basically he sent a letter to his family

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in Mecca warning

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them that the prophet was gonna come,

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and that the Muslims are coming.

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And when the Muslims found out about that,

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you know, Omar wanted to kill him. He

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said, let me kill this. Let me kill

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this guy, this. He may take fear of

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him, which is very in interesting and important

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actually because the prophet of salam corrected this

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notion. He said he wasn't a kafir, he

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wasn't this believer,

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and that in fact, because he was a

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person of better.

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Now there's so many discussions about this in.

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They say, well, the reason why, the why,

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the prophet gave him concession was because he

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was a,

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was because he went to bed. Other say,

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no. It wasn't. It couldn't be because how

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could it be that bed makes you into

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it gives you, Hakida immunity,

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for example.

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Like, you know, in the Quran, it says,

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it says,

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For example, Allah says to the prophet Muhammad

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himself,

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that I I will destroy your deeds, and

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you will be of the losers. Allah is

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saying that to the prophet Muhammadu alaihi wa

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sallam.

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He's saying, if you do shirk, I'll destroy

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you.

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Which means that when it comes to issues

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or issues to do with theology,

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no one has an exception card. You can't

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say, oh, because I went to bedder. I

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I went there. Therefore, I can do.

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What was that?

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No. That's what I'm saying. So the idea

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is that you have a group of people

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that out there that say that if you

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if you ally

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with the disbelievers in any

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any way, shape, or form, if you ally

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with the disbelievers, you're a disbeliever. Disbeliever. And

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that is usually the view of the Takfirists,

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people like ISIS,

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people like, Al Qaeda.

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This is their argument, by the way. Al

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Qaeda make this argument. They make the argument

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that,

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you know, it's you're a disbeliever because you're

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allying yourself

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with a disbelieving nation who believe in.

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Because you're allying yourself with them, therefore,

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you're a disbeliever like them. But the story

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of how to

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because the reason why he done he done

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this, he sent a letter. He was asked,

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why did you do this? The reason why

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I did it is because everyone else has

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a connection with Mecca.

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Everyone else has people to protect them there.

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I don't have anyone there.

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So I wanted to tell my because I

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got my mom is there. My sisters I

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wanted to tell them just in case if

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anything happened, I could say, well, I warned

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you before. I could get some favor from

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them. Yeah? So they don't kill me.

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So basically, it was It

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was to do with the dunya.

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Okay? Now it was clearly wrong. It was

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haram. You could even see it was kabiram

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al kabar. It was very bad deed, very

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bad sin, very bad whatever.

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But the fact that the prophet Muhammad did

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not call it

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is evidence that it was not,

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which is also evidence that allying yourself with

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these believers,

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even if it may look like it's against

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the believers,

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is not always an evidence that that person

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has committed.

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Even though Amalur Khattab came to that conclusion

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in the first place, he was corrected by

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Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Salam.

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The the issue of

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actually is one of the worst thorns in

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the side of the tech furious movements.

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Like when I have a discussion with them,

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and they say, well, you know,

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this and that. If you bring the case

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of

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and ask them to explain it on their

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world view, because they think that if you

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connect yourself with the disbelievers in any way,

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shape, or form, that you become like them.

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They all they all say, usually, the the

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defenses,

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yeah, the defenses, he was Badri.

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The reason why the prophet

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gave him concession is because he had.

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Yeah. He went to Bedir.

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But then the question would be, how could

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going to Bednar,

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which is in a how could I give

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you concession to do whatever you want?

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You know, you know, the the Hadith, it

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says that those who go into Bednar as

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as as if Allah said, do whatever you

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want. It's as if they've taken that literally.

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Yeah. So what is the Islam

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has become like a Christianity.

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You believe in one thing is it die

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for the sins. Finished. You can commit shirk

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even. What what what what is this? What

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are you saying? So what I'm saying is

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that is the view of Takfir,

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of people like Al Qaeda and ISIS and

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other groups

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is readily defeated

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or repudiated

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or refuted

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by the case study of Hatim ibn Abi

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Balta.

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Oh, sorry. Hatim ibn Abi Balta, not Hat.

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If someone today,

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okay,

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he

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he, for example,

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connected themselves United States of America,

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in a way, to get some money.

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Yeah?

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He started doing certain things, and maybe

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he did it. Even if Jes was, sorry

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to say, I'm gonna go for I found

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this. He was a bit of a spy

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for for the Mi 5. Can we make

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Teck feel just on that? No.

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They would say, maybe, yes. You should kill

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him because he's a catheter. But I'm saying,

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really, this this case study, we'd have to

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now take precaution before making on this issue.

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Do you see what I mean? Because of

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the case of Hatab now, we have to

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now the whole this case has made Takfir

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more difficult

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on the basis of allying yourself with a

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people

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who are disbelieving people for a dunya y

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purpose.

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And this is connected to this idea of

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or a ruling with what other than what

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Allah has revealed is tawali, the idea of

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connection. There's so many things here which we

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don't have the scope to talk about, but

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it's important for you to know that this

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is a,

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important and vibrant discussion.

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The miraculous aspect of the story is that

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the prophet

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already knew about this.

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Yeah.

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And remember, the the Wallahi, this is such

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a powerful angle in terms of arguing for

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the case of Islam.

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He not only knew, because what Hartab did

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was he got this letter,

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and he sent it with this woman who

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was, like, inconspicuous woman.

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And she put it between

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her braids or in her hair or something

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like that, and she went away, and she's

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gonna give it to the people of Mecca.

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The problem told Ali and

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another Sahabi, which I forget who it is

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now. Zubair. Zubair.

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He told them both to go and get

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the letter. He said is listen to this.

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The prophet said, it's gonna be with this

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woman in this place at this time, and

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it's gonna it's not gonna be there. Look

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at what happened.

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Imagine this. Yeah?

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Approached the woman and the and

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the, they approached her

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and said, give me the letter. She goes,

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what is this? I don't have any letter.

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He goes,

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Ali said, we have not been lied to.

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Allah, the prophet has not been lied to,

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and we have not been lied to.

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Give me the letter.

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Now this, by the way, is is on

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the same level of

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You know, when, when Abu Bakr Sadiq, when

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the assault on marriage happened, and and they

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were saying, your friend is saying such and

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such and such. He said that if he

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said it, it's it's telling the truth. Ali,

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now you've got a woman here. It's not

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visible that she has any letters with her,

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but Ali is saying, if the prophet told

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us, there's no doubt you have the letter.

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He's not saying maybe we've got it wrong,

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maybe it's the wrong woman. Like, do you

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know what I mean? You see the the

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confidence. No. No. You got the letter. You

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got the letter. Give me the letter. Give

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me the letter. Oh, no. No. Give me

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the letter. Otherwise, we're gonna strip you now.

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Sorry to say. Which shows you that it's

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okay to strip. No. I'm joking.

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Only only kidding.

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But not yeah.

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No. No. You're not kidding because No. No.

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But it it shows you that there are

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certain situations, dire situations. Now I was gonna

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say something completely different. But the idea is

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that she said turn around. She

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She also had this kind of idea of,

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and she took the letter from her hair

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or wherever she had it, and she gave

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it to them. The letter was there.

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And it said what we said that it

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said, that how to present such and such

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to her family members. But the point is

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is that

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this is a miraculous aspect, the fact that

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he was able to spot

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that.

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The last person to become Muhajir

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in Islam

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was Al Abbas, the uncle of the prophet

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Muhammad SAW Salam.

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And he he was coming

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to Al Medina at the same time as

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the prophet SAW Salam,

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as they were as they were, the the

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army was marching. So they kind of saw

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them like that.

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Abu Sufyan was given protection.

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Remember, he was searching for protection from anyone

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now, from the boy, from this one, humiliation

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ritual, and all that stuff.

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But he was given he was eventually given

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he was given

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protection by at our best.

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Our best is new convert,

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new Muslim, and his story of conversion is

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interesting. The way he converted once again was

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due to something that no one could have

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known. And the prophet said that you said

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such and such to your wife in your

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room. And this shows you, by the way,

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you'll see a trend. A lot of people

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were coming Muslim

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in the companions of the prophet due to

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information that they couldn't that couldn't have known,

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which shows you as we were talking before

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the break, the idea of prophecies,

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yes, in giving dua is something very powerful.

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And only that in the all scriptures that

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the bible says, and you will know them

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by their prophecies. Yeah. Absolutely. That's a very

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good point. Like in Deuteronomy 18 verse 20.

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You know, that you will know that one

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of the portents is that, you know, that

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they will be they will prophesize, and when

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they prophesize, they will not be false in

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that. So the idea is

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when the prophet is giving information that they

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couldn't have known because he wasn't there, he

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wasn't present,

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That's almost as good as a prophecy. A

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prophecy is more powerful, by the way.

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And note that these people, they only needed

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just one.

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One one equivalent of prophecy and they became

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Muslim.

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Nowadays, you give someone 10 or 20

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predictions on the future,

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and they still would not be accepting it.

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Very, very specific predictions of Islam in the

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future, by the interest,

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about STDs, about the buildings and the infrastructure,

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everything. They still say, you know what? There's

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more that needs to be said. How many

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do you need? You see? So the prophecies,

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I think, is a very powerful way

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of bringing people to the religion of Islam.

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So he becomes Muslim.

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And what's really interesting and what's very powerful,

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I'll tell you why this is interesting and

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important in fact as well, is that the

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prophet of Salam, he gave

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he he said

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that whoever

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enters the hamanda

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kala,

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whoever goes into the house of Abu Sufyan

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is going to be safe.

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There were sanctuaries,

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public sanctuaries that prophet

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designated

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that if you go into those public sanctuaries,

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that you'll be safe. And one of those

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places was the Haram,

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Al Mekki,

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and the other one was

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the house of Abu Sufyan,

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just to maybe help him regain his prestige

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after such humiliation.

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That he can now still grant in the

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sign kind of indirect way, His people are

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kind of protection,

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protection, which is given to him by his

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seniors, in this case, the Muslim people.

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But why this is an important hadith to

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memorize or to know is because

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one of the attacks of Islam, they say,

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you know, when when the prophet sallallahu alaihi

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wa sallam came into Mecca, as we'll come

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in to see now.

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When he came into Mecca,

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it's a very famous hadith that says,

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Yeah.

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Leave because now you are let go.

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Now the hadith mentions

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that everyone was there,

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and, the prophet said that, you know, you're

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forgiven to the people. You're forgiven. He said,

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Some scholars I've seen have made

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of the Hadith. They said the Hadith is

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Hassan.

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It's also mentioned letter 3 by the same

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thing that was mentioned by Yusuf Alaihi Salam

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that there's no blame on you today. Yani,

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go because you are.

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You are let go, Yani.

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Some some hadiths have said that this hadith

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is weak.

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Some some hadiths have said the hadith of

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is a weak hadith.

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And as such, they say there is no

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evidence

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it's an interesting line of argumentation. You see,

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there's no evidence that when the prophet sasalam

00:29:01 --> 00:29:02

came into Mecca,

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that he actually granted protection and safety and

00:29:06 --> 00:29:07

forgiveness to the people.

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That's what they say.

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They because they say, if you are relying

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on the hadith that says,

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go because you are,

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you know, you are let go and so

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on. You are forgiven or then that hadith

00:29:19 --> 00:29:21

is weak. That I'm giving you a

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a high level interrogation.

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So the response to that interrogation is to

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say, well, actually, we have this other Hadith.

00:29:28 --> 00:29:29

Forget if you don't like the Hadith, find

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some scholars have made the scene of the

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Hadith.

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But there's another Hadith which says

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that,

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Whoever goes into the house of Abi Sufian

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is Amin is protected.

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Whoever goes into the Kaaba is protected. Whoever

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goes to this other place is protected. So

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in other words, this other Hadith,

00:29:50 --> 00:29:51

it substitutes to

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for those who say, well, there's no evidence

00:29:54 --> 00:29:55

that the prophet

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forgave the people when he went to Mecca.

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Because let me let me give you

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a a situation.

00:30:01 --> 00:30:03

If someone came, Ali, and said to you

00:30:03 --> 00:30:05

in speaker's corner somewhere else, I said, look.

00:30:05 --> 00:30:06

What's the evidence,

00:30:07 --> 00:30:09

that someone I maybe I should have done

00:30:09 --> 00:30:10

this the other way around, right, because now

00:30:10 --> 00:30:11

I'm giving you the answer. But let's just

00:30:11 --> 00:30:12

say, what's the evidence

00:30:13 --> 00:30:15

that when the prophet went into Mecca that

00:30:15 --> 00:30:16

he forgave the people?

00:30:17 --> 00:30:19

I mentioned Yeah. You mentioned this. Yeah. Yeah.

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But if you so if you had mentioned,

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it could

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say, well, if he's high level, he say,

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look, you know, he's weak. So but there's

00:30:26 --> 00:30:27

another hadith. You see you see what we're

00:30:27 --> 00:30:30

doing here? Yeah. We're we're covering all bases.

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So that's a very important, hadith. You might

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think it's trivial, but it's it's it's it's

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born. There's another narration that strengthens it. Which

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one? It's authentic.

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Similar. That's authentic. So this one Yeah. Yeah.

00:30:41 --> 00:30:43

Yeah. Can I just add Yeah? Point to

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what you just said. So the prophet

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gave this

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mercy

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to his enemies. Right? Now if you look

00:30:50 --> 00:30:52

at warfare today and you look at the

00:30:52 --> 00:30:55

experts of warfare like Robert Greene, who's spoken

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at West Point, he's taken as the authority.

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Law 15 of the, 48 laws of power

00:31:00 --> 00:31:02

is crush your enemies totally.

00:31:02 --> 00:31:04

But here the prophet is not following that

00:31:04 --> 00:31:06

law. So what we find is that even

00:31:06 --> 00:31:10

military strategists today haven't achieved the level at

00:31:10 --> 00:31:12

which the prophet was operating at. Because from

00:31:12 --> 00:31:15

the allies' perspective, when they destroyed Dresden, when

00:31:15 --> 00:31:17

they did these things, there was no idea

00:31:17 --> 00:31:19

of mercy. But Islam actually

00:31:20 --> 00:31:23

has certain inbuilt mechanisms which the western world

00:31:23 --> 00:31:25

does not have, which other military philosophers like

00:31:25 --> 00:31:27

Sun Tzu doesn't have. And what it goes

00:31:27 --> 00:31:30

to show is that you can't take the

00:31:30 --> 00:31:33

best tools in western academia and try to

00:31:33 --> 00:31:33

measure the prophet.

00:31:34 --> 00:31:36

The prophet is the standard by which everything

00:31:36 --> 00:31:39

else is measured. And that's exactly what Montgomery

00:31:39 --> 00:31:40

Watts says. He says that we need to

00:31:40 --> 00:31:41

see,

00:31:41 --> 00:31:42

about the prophet's,

00:31:43 --> 00:31:46

character. If there's something we can incorporate rather

00:31:46 --> 00:31:48

than the opposite way around. So which Muslim

00:31:48 --> 00:31:50

nation or armies has ever gone and massacred

00:31:50 --> 00:31:53

men, women, and children? Like, directly direct command?

00:31:54 --> 00:31:56

Well, Muslim nations, are you committing the argument

00:31:56 --> 00:31:57

of the and stuff like that? Where where

00:31:57 --> 00:31:59

did they go and men, women, children? Okay.

00:31:59 --> 00:32:00

Yeah. No. No. But what I'm saying is

00:32:00 --> 00:32:01

that

00:32:01 --> 00:32:03

I would be careful not to make a

00:32:03 --> 00:32:04

historical case because you can always find some

00:32:04 --> 00:32:07

crazy guys like ISIS, for example. Yeah. Yeah?

00:32:07 --> 00:32:09

So instead of making a historical case, if

00:32:09 --> 00:32:11

you make a religious case, then what we

00:32:11 --> 00:32:13

what we're defending here is the Quran, the

00:32:13 --> 00:32:15

sunnah, rather than the actions of the Muslims

00:32:15 --> 00:32:16

for a 1,400 years. Because it's always gonna

00:32:16 --> 00:32:18

be a group of Muslims Yeah. That have

00:32:18 --> 00:32:19

done some horrible things. Do you know what

00:32:19 --> 00:32:21

I mean? Yeah. So,

00:32:25 --> 00:32:26

should we should we have a quick break

00:32:26 --> 00:32:28

and pray, Maghrib? Let's have a break and

00:32:28 --> 00:32:29

pray, Maghreb. We've done a lot of hard

00:32:29 --> 00:32:32

work. How do we got to come back?

00:32:32 --> 00:32:34

20 minutes after that was there. Okay. So,

00:32:35 --> 00:32:37

what happened was, so they had this The

00:32:37 --> 00:32:39

Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam assembled 10,000 people,

00:32:40 --> 00:32:43

and they were now marching towards

00:32:43 --> 00:32:44

Mecca.

00:32:45 --> 00:32:47

And there's some Hadith talking about what kind

00:32:47 --> 00:32:49

of dress the Prophet was wearing. He's wearing

00:32:49 --> 00:32:52

like a, you know, the head covering

00:32:53 --> 00:32:55

And there's there's some Hadith. That's Sahih Hadith.

00:32:55 --> 00:32:57

There's some other Hadith talking about

00:32:57 --> 00:32:59

how he was postured. Saying that he was

00:32:59 --> 00:33:01

very humbly postured like, you know, he's he

00:33:01 --> 00:33:04

wasn't coming in brazenly. He was coming in

00:33:04 --> 00:33:05

now as a conqueror but he wasn't coming

00:33:05 --> 00:33:06

in brazenly,

00:33:06 --> 00:33:08

which shows you the demeanor of the prophet

00:33:08 --> 00:33:10

Muhammad SAW ASALLEM. That he was

00:33:11 --> 00:33:12

deplete from this grandiosity.

00:33:13 --> 00:33:15

He didn't have a grandiose demeanor.

00:33:16 --> 00:33:17

He wasn't about that.

00:33:18 --> 00:33:20

Which by the way itself is an interesting

00:33:20 --> 00:33:20

thing.

00:33:21 --> 00:33:23

And the prophet told them not to fight

00:33:23 --> 00:33:25

anybody. Now there was one exception to that.

00:33:25 --> 00:33:28

They where the prophet allowed fighting to happen

00:33:28 --> 00:33:29

for

00:33:31 --> 00:33:32

like an hour in the

00:33:32 --> 00:33:33

daytime.

00:33:34 --> 00:33:35

And that was

00:33:35 --> 00:33:37

because, if you think about it psychologically, if

00:33:37 --> 00:33:40

these tribes didn't settle their differences,

00:33:41 --> 00:33:42

don't forget the

00:33:42 --> 00:33:44

had been attacked by the Al Baqir

00:33:45 --> 00:33:47

and they wanted to get retribution. If they

00:33:47 --> 00:33:49

didn't if he didn't allow any of that,

00:33:49 --> 00:33:51

then it could have caused more issues.

00:33:52 --> 00:33:55

Because the thing is, resentment, and anger, and

00:33:55 --> 00:33:55

embitterment,

00:33:57 --> 00:33:59

if if it's not dealt with through an

00:33:59 --> 00:33:59

outlet,

00:34:00 --> 00:34:02

can actually cause more problems. So it's a

00:34:02 --> 00:34:03

very strategic thing,

00:34:04 --> 00:34:05

but it was only it was a limited

00:34:05 --> 00:34:06

thing. Clearly,

00:34:06 --> 00:34:09

what was meant was for there to be

00:34:09 --> 00:34:10

complete peace.

00:34:11 --> 00:34:12

And he came in very humbly, but he

00:34:12 --> 00:34:14

destroyed the idols. This is a very symbolic

00:34:14 --> 00:34:17

thing. It was said that there was 360

00:34:17 --> 00:34:19

idols around the Kaaba. You'll know the story

00:34:19 --> 00:34:20

where he destroyed

00:34:21 --> 00:34:23

them with the stick, you know, he pointed

00:34:23 --> 00:34:24

at them and then they fell on their

00:34:24 --> 00:34:26

faces and broke and so on.

00:34:27 --> 00:34:30

There were some skirmishes that happened and took

00:34:30 --> 00:34:30

place.

00:34:31 --> 00:34:33

Now what in terms of

00:34:33 --> 00:34:34

our remit,

00:34:35 --> 00:34:36

people will come and say, well,

00:34:37 --> 00:34:39

you're saying that the prophet was very forgiving,

00:34:40 --> 00:34:43

and that he forgave everybody and, you know,

00:34:43 --> 00:34:45

he was very magnanimous, very forgiving. But we

00:34:45 --> 00:34:48

have Hadith and I've seen this all plastered

00:34:48 --> 00:34:50

all over the anti Islamic websites.

00:34:50 --> 00:34:52

And in fact, I've heard it in speaker's

00:34:52 --> 00:34:54

corner. And in fact, I've heard it from

00:34:54 --> 00:34:56

many different people that attack Islam.

00:34:56 --> 00:34:57

They say, well,

00:34:58 --> 00:34:59

there were these figures

00:34:59 --> 00:35:00

that

00:35:00 --> 00:35:01

the prophet salam

00:35:01 --> 00:35:03

said that he you have to go kill

00:35:03 --> 00:35:03

them.

00:35:04 --> 00:35:05

So it wasn't an all out,

00:35:06 --> 00:35:08

you know, mercy for everybody.

00:35:09 --> 00:35:10

You're saying

00:35:10 --> 00:35:12

that the prophet is a mercy for mankind.

00:35:12 --> 00:35:14

But there are 9 people, if you add

00:35:14 --> 00:35:16

up all the people in all the Hadith

00:35:16 --> 00:35:18

and so on. It's about 9 people altogether,

00:35:19 --> 00:35:21

which the prophet clearly didn't for forgive.

00:35:22 --> 00:35:24

So we're gonna deal with, each of them,

00:35:24 --> 00:35:26

and I think you should be aware of

00:35:26 --> 00:35:28

this in terms of dawah and handling objections

00:35:28 --> 00:35:30

when it comes to these figures, because

00:35:31 --> 00:35:32

each of them had a story.

00:35:34 --> 00:35:35

We'll start with,

00:35:45 --> 00:35:47

From what I read about him, he wasn't

00:35:47 --> 00:35:49

he wasn't killed. The one who was killed

00:35:49 --> 00:35:51

was Abdullah ibn Aqtal.

00:35:52 --> 00:35:53

This individual

00:35:54 --> 00:35:55

who

00:35:55 --> 00:35:57

was a very malicious man,

00:35:58 --> 00:35:59

very malignant individual.

00:36:00 --> 00:36:03

And now, humiliation style, ran to Kaaba,

00:36:03 --> 00:36:06

and started to hold on

00:36:06 --> 00:36:07

to the

00:36:09 --> 00:36:11

the curtains of the Sitarik.

00:36:12 --> 00:36:13

Sitar or what would you call that? The

00:36:13 --> 00:36:14

cloth of the Kaaba.

00:36:15 --> 00:36:17

And they came to the prophet and said,

00:36:18 --> 00:36:19

why what should we do with him? He's

00:36:19 --> 00:36:20

in the camp. He's

00:36:21 --> 00:36:22

kill him.

00:36:22 --> 00:36:23

And he was killed.

00:36:24 --> 00:36:25

This is one figure that was killed. Why

00:36:25 --> 00:36:26

was he killed?

00:36:27 --> 00:36:28

And this is the question I want to

00:36:28 --> 00:36:29

ask you guys. Why was he Is he

00:36:29 --> 00:36:30

with the poet?

00:36:31 --> 00:36:33

So tell me tell me why he was

00:36:33 --> 00:36:34

killed. Let's start with Abdullah.

00:36:35 --> 00:36:36

Abdul Haman, what do you have about

00:36:37 --> 00:36:37

him?

00:36:38 --> 00:36:40

I don't want anything about him right now.

00:36:40 --> 00:36:41

Okay. Well, I'll give you I think I

00:36:41 --> 00:36:44

think I've. Sorry. Is it? I think it's

00:36:44 --> 00:36:44

been spelled

00:36:45 --> 00:36:46

in both

00:36:47 --> 00:36:49

ways. So this is the claim. The claim

00:36:49 --> 00:36:50

is this is a good thing you brought

00:36:50 --> 00:36:52

us up. The claim is this is examples

00:36:52 --> 00:36:54

of blasphemy laws in action.

00:36:55 --> 00:36:57

The reason why these people were killed is

00:36:57 --> 00:36:58

because they were producing poetry,

00:36:59 --> 00:37:01

and it shows you Islam is a very

00:37:01 --> 00:37:02

intolerant religion.

00:37:03 --> 00:37:05

Because it shows you blasphemy laws in action.

00:37:06 --> 00:37:08

And also is an evidence of the fact

00:37:08 --> 00:37:08

that,

00:37:11 --> 00:37:13

there was no forgiveness as you claim. So

00:37:13 --> 00:37:14

what?

00:37:15 --> 00:37:16

No. But before we get to so what,

00:37:16 --> 00:37:19

let's let's assess this. No. No. No. But

00:37:19 --> 00:37:20

it's it's very clear. Why why am I

00:37:20 --> 00:37:22

using a Yahtzee? I was speaking to 1

00:37:22 --> 00:37:24

guy, and he's like, yeah. But, you know,

00:37:24 --> 00:37:26

if you, you know, I was talking about

00:37:26 --> 00:37:28

capital punishment. Yeah. I was like, yeah. Like,

00:37:28 --> 00:37:29

I said, look. Imagine

00:37:29 --> 00:37:31

you have a tree. It's a mango tree.

00:37:31 --> 00:37:33

I have a tree that's a apple tree.

00:37:33 --> 00:37:34

Yeah. You say to me, you can eat

00:37:34 --> 00:37:36

from my tree. I'm like, okay. I'm like,

00:37:36 --> 00:37:36

well, I don't want you to eat from

00:37:36 --> 00:37:38

my tree. You can't come and see, but

00:37:38 --> 00:37:39

I I don't care that you allow me

00:37:39 --> 00:37:40

to eat from the tree. Just because you

00:37:40 --> 00:37:41

have a,

00:37:42 --> 00:37:43

a world view,

00:37:43 --> 00:37:45

that's you, bro. How does that how is

00:37:45 --> 00:37:47

that a yardstick to, come to objective,

00:37:47 --> 00:37:49

morality? That's fine. I mean, that's a fine

00:37:49 --> 00:37:51

line of argumentation. Like, yeah. That's that's it.

00:37:51 --> 00:37:52

We'll get to that, but we wanna know

00:37:52 --> 00:37:54

more about these characters first because we if

00:37:54 --> 00:37:56

we know their background Yeah. Then we'll have

00:37:56 --> 00:37:58

so what I'm gonna do is this is

00:37:58 --> 00:37:59

the first and probably last time we're gonna

00:37:59 --> 00:38:00

do this,

00:38:00 --> 00:38:01

is I'm gonna give

00:38:02 --> 00:38:04

you 5 minutes with the person next to

00:38:04 --> 00:38:05

you to research

00:38:06 --> 00:38:06

every,

00:38:07 --> 00:38:08

one of those names. I'm gonna give you

00:38:08 --> 00:38:10

which names. I'll give

00:38:12 --> 00:38:14

You No. He's not in the he's not

00:38:14 --> 00:38:15

in the list. Really? He was not in

00:38:15 --> 00:38:17

Fat Hamaker. Not in Fat Hamaker before?

00:38:17 --> 00:38:19

Yeah. Was he killed before? Yeah. But we

00:38:19 --> 00:38:21

know he was killed. He was we we

00:38:21 --> 00:38:23

went through him actually. We're we're talking about

00:38:23 --> 00:38:25

Fat Hamakah in the in the context of

00:38:25 --> 00:38:26

Fat Hamakah.

00:38:26 --> 00:38:28

These are the 9 names that you'll come

00:38:28 --> 00:38:29

across with just the Kharab the Hadith.

00:38:30 --> 00:38:33

Now, if my question is who are they?

00:38:33 --> 00:38:35

Why what was their background?

00:38:35 --> 00:38:36

And why were they killed?

00:38:37 --> 00:38:38

And how can you explain this? So I'm

00:38:38 --> 00:38:39

gonna do is

00:38:40 --> 00:38:41

I'm gonna give you the names.

00:38:42 --> 00:38:43

So I'll give you,

00:38:46 --> 00:38:48

I'm gonna I'm gonna give you

00:38:50 --> 00:38:51

Abdul

00:38:51 --> 00:38:53

Rahman, and you have the Sheikh to help

00:38:53 --> 00:38:55

as well. I can remember.

00:38:55 --> 00:38:57

I'm gonna give you Abdul Jabal.

00:38:58 --> 00:38:58

I

00:38:58 --> 00:39:01

don't know which one. It's a.

00:39:01 --> 00:39:02

Right? But I'm.

00:39:06 --> 00:39:07

And and we'll give you guys

00:39:08 --> 00:39:09

the 2 poet women,

00:39:10 --> 00:39:11

Fartana

00:39:11 --> 00:39:13

and Sara. Yeah? Yeah.

00:39:14 --> 00:39:16

And you do the research. Oh, okay. Who

00:39:16 --> 00:39:17

will I ask to?

00:39:18 --> 00:39:20

So you guys can have,

00:39:21 --> 00:39:23

say If it's the worst of the worst

00:39:23 --> 00:39:26

enemies. Okay. No. No. Ali and Zubair. Yeah?

00:39:26 --> 00:39:27

Who?

00:39:27 --> 00:39:30

Zubair. What you you can have and,

00:39:32 --> 00:39:33

Mekias.

00:39:33 --> 00:39:35

How do you even spell that?

00:39:35 --> 00:39:38

It's there on the slide. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

00:39:38 --> 00:39:40

And you guys have the rest? 789.

00:39:40 --> 00:39:41

Yeah.

00:39:44 --> 00:39:45

No. You the yeah. They they have the

00:39:45 --> 00:39:48

rest. 7, 8, 9. 5 minutes, we'll come

00:39:48 --> 00:39:49

back.

00:39:49 --> 00:39:49

Alright.

00:39:50 --> 00:39:51

Let's have a feedback,

00:39:52 --> 00:39:52

session.

00:39:53 --> 00:39:54

Let's start with Akkirima.

00:39:55 --> 00:39:56

What have you found out?

00:39:57 --> 00:39:58

Have you found out who you've done? Yeah.

00:39:58 --> 00:40:00

Okay. Go ahead and start with him. Okay.

00:40:00 --> 00:40:02

Yeah. So, first, let's frame it correctly. Some

00:40:02 --> 00:40:04

people might perceive, this whole

00:40:04 --> 00:40:06

conversation about poetry and

00:40:07 --> 00:40:08

ridda laws

00:40:08 --> 00:40:09

as,

00:40:09 --> 00:40:11

you know, having, for example, expression of free

00:40:11 --> 00:40:14

speech or poetic expression or freedom of speech,

00:40:14 --> 00:40:16

and that's infringing on that. So if we

00:40:16 --> 00:40:17

frame it correctly,

00:40:17 --> 00:40:20

Abdul ibn Khattal, he was staying in Medina,

00:40:20 --> 00:40:22

and he was being served by a slave.

00:40:23 --> 00:40:25

And what happened was a man from the

00:40:25 --> 00:40:27

Hosea tribe, this particular slave,

00:40:27 --> 00:40:28

didn't wake up in time to serve him

00:40:28 --> 00:40:30

his food. So he got upset, and he

00:40:30 --> 00:40:31

ultimately killed him.

00:40:32 --> 00:40:34

Say that again. So So he was actually

00:40:34 --> 00:40:36

in Medina. And this this man, Abdullah Muqaddal,

00:40:36 --> 00:40:38

and he was Muslim at this time. Mhmm.

00:40:38 --> 00:40:40

He was being served by a slave, and

00:40:40 --> 00:40:41

he was waiting for the slave to wake

00:40:41 --> 00:40:43

up and give misfood. So he's a murderer?

00:40:43 --> 00:40:45

Yeah. So he's a murderer. He killed him.

00:40:45 --> 00:40:46

When he killed the slave, he actually said,

00:40:46 --> 00:40:48

if I go back and, you know, tell

00:40:48 --> 00:40:48

the prophet,

00:40:49 --> 00:40:50

he's going

00:40:50 --> 00:40:52

to obviously give me the

00:40:52 --> 00:40:54

the penal code to Qisas.

00:40:54 --> 00:40:55

So he said, let me go to the

00:40:55 --> 00:40:57

enemy Mhmm. And let me tell them that,

00:40:57 --> 00:40:58

not obviously not telling this story, but let

00:40:58 --> 00:41:00

me tell them that I'm coming as a

00:41:00 --> 00:41:03

poet Mhmm. To help you in the propaganda

00:41:03 --> 00:41:03

against the prophet.

00:41:04 --> 00:41:07

Interestingly enough, the 2 slave girls are also

00:41:07 --> 00:41:09

involved in this, were his slave girls.

00:41:09 --> 00:41:10

So which one? Sala and Fafthani?

00:41:11 --> 00:41:12

Sala and Fafthani. Yeah. So in,

00:41:13 --> 00:41:15

so no conclusive. He's yeah. And he's a

00:41:15 --> 00:41:15

madr basically.

00:41:16 --> 00:41:18

So this has nothing to do with, you

00:41:18 --> 00:41:19

know, expression of free speech. It's got everything

00:41:19 --> 00:41:21

to do with See, this is fantastic. This

00:41:21 --> 00:41:22

is a very interesting

00:41:25 --> 00:41:27

already researched but this this idea of these

00:41:27 --> 00:41:28

guys are not just

00:41:28 --> 00:41:30

expressing quote unquote free speech or whatever it

00:41:30 --> 00:41:32

is or attacking or criticizing.

00:41:33 --> 00:41:33

This is,

00:41:34 --> 00:41:36

people who have usually had criminal records

00:41:37 --> 00:41:38

and had been murderers.

00:41:38 --> 00:41:40

So this is a very good point. So

00:41:40 --> 00:41:41

he's a murderer, he had to be killed.

00:41:41 --> 00:41:43

Yeah. This could be a Qasas.

00:41:43 --> 00:41:45

Yeah. What happened in Fat Hamakah

00:41:46 --> 00:41:47

And what is kesas for those who don't

00:41:47 --> 00:41:49

know what the word means? Yeah. What does

00:41:49 --> 00:41:49

kesas mean?

00:41:50 --> 00:41:52

What do you call it to Retribution.

00:41:52 --> 00:41:55

Yeah. When some Life for life. Someone else

00:41:55 --> 00:41:56

life for life. Beautiful.

00:41:57 --> 00:41:59

Okay. Who else did we have?

00:42:01 --> 00:42:03

Did you have? That was Ali. Right? Yeah.

00:42:03 --> 00:42:04

Go ahead, Ali.

00:42:05 --> 00:42:07

No. No. That that was him. Yeah.

00:42:08 --> 00:42:10

He was a scribe of the prophet.

00:42:10 --> 00:42:13

Mhmm. I think he was the one of

00:42:13 --> 00:42:14

the first apostates.

00:42:14 --> 00:42:15

Yes.

00:42:15 --> 00:42:15

And,

00:42:16 --> 00:42:16

he

00:42:17 --> 00:42:20

would I think he would change what was

00:42:20 --> 00:42:20

written.

00:42:21 --> 00:42:23

So what it was is that I came

00:42:23 --> 00:42:24

across the tafsir of,

00:42:25 --> 00:42:26

Surat al Muminun. Right?

00:42:27 --> 00:42:28

And there's a verse in there that says,

00:42:28 --> 00:42:29

what that,

00:42:32 --> 00:42:33

you know, glory be to Allah,

00:42:34 --> 00:42:35

the best of creators.

00:42:36 --> 00:42:38

And what was proposed was that this guy,

00:42:38 --> 00:42:39

Abdul Lebn Nabi Sarha,

00:42:39 --> 00:42:41

he would hear something from the prophet.

00:42:42 --> 00:42:43

And he would say that, you know, I

00:42:43 --> 00:42:45

used to make my own thing up and

00:42:45 --> 00:42:45

write it down.

00:42:47 --> 00:42:48

And as such, you know,

00:42:49 --> 00:42:51

as such, I didn't have trust anymore that

00:42:51 --> 00:42:53

this was a true prophet because I was

00:42:53 --> 00:42:55

one of the scribes of the prophet. Yes?

00:42:55 --> 00:42:57

And I was writing it down. Now first

00:42:57 --> 00:43:00

and foremost, I looked at some of the

00:43:00 --> 00:43:01

Hadith relating to this,

00:43:02 --> 00:43:04

you know, this exegesis because this was found

00:43:04 --> 00:43:05

in, like, Tabari's,

00:43:06 --> 00:43:07

and Ibn Kathir and so on.

00:43:08 --> 00:43:10

And I found that the Hadith itself was

00:43:10 --> 00:43:10

weak.

00:43:11 --> 00:43:12

Like, the Hadith

00:43:12 --> 00:43:14

the Hadith of this story, this whole story

00:43:14 --> 00:43:15

happening

00:43:15 --> 00:43:17

is a questionable Hadith.

00:43:17 --> 00:43:19

But let's say it's a true Hadith. Let's

00:43:19 --> 00:43:21

play devil's advocate and say it's a true

00:43:21 --> 00:43:23

Hadith for the sake of argument.

00:43:23 --> 00:43:26

If someone is trying to misguide the people

00:43:26 --> 00:43:29

and trying to make them not only he

00:43:29 --> 00:43:31

has apostated, but he's now trying to make

00:43:31 --> 00:43:33

other people apostate. Yeah. What would he say?

00:43:33 --> 00:43:34

He would say something like that. So I

00:43:34 --> 00:43:35

was a scribe.

00:43:35 --> 00:43:37

I used to say something, and he'd make

00:43:37 --> 00:43:39

a story up so that people would think,

00:43:39 --> 00:43:41

okay. It couldn't be the word of, God

00:43:41 --> 00:43:43

because it was, the has words and so

00:43:43 --> 00:43:45

on and so forth. What's interesting is that

00:43:45 --> 00:43:47

he was what happened with him,

00:43:48 --> 00:43:50

he made the prophet made some kind of,

00:43:50 --> 00:43:51

like, a movement,

00:43:52 --> 00:43:55

and he wanted him to be killed. Okay?

00:43:56 --> 00:43:58

However, he was not killed. He was actually

00:43:58 --> 00:43:58

spared.

00:43:59 --> 00:44:01

And then as they inquired with the prophet,

00:44:01 --> 00:44:02

like, what, you know, he said, did you

00:44:02 --> 00:44:04

not understand that this was some kind of

00:44:04 --> 00:44:06

a movement? He didn't give a movement. It

00:44:06 --> 00:44:07

happened.

00:44:07 --> 00:44:08

As Mohammed Affan

00:44:08 --> 00:44:10

was his brother, Hashmi

00:44:11 --> 00:44:14

Yeah. From Rashidi. Yeah. So he went to

00:44:14 --> 00:44:17

the prophet He he took Abdullah ibn Surah,

00:44:17 --> 00:44:19

switched to his brother to the prophet

00:44:19 --> 00:44:22

Mhmm. For the prophet to forgive him. Mhmm.

00:44:23 --> 00:44:26

So the way it's done is through pleading

00:44:26 --> 00:44:26

allegiance.

00:44:27 --> 00:44:27

So

00:44:28 --> 00:44:30

would extend his arms to the and

00:44:31 --> 00:44:32

didn't do anything.

00:44:32 --> 00:44:34

He didn't hint to anything, but he didn't

00:44:35 --> 00:44:36

accept it immediately.

00:44:36 --> 00:44:38

He did it once. He did it twice.

00:44:38 --> 00:44:40

At the 3rd time, the prophet has and

00:44:40 --> 00:44:42

accepted the allegiance.

00:44:42 --> 00:44:45

Meaning that he's a Muslim and all forgiven.

00:44:45 --> 00:44:47

So when he left, the prophet looked

00:44:47 --> 00:44:49

at the sahab and told them,

00:44:53 --> 00:44:55

wasn't there among you? Oh, yeah.

00:44:56 --> 00:44:59

A person that understand. Russian person. Yeah. Russian

00:44:59 --> 00:45:00

person.

00:45:00 --> 00:45:02

So they understood now because the prophet

00:45:03 --> 00:45:05

commanded them to kill Abdullah ibn Abi Sahar.

00:45:05 --> 00:45:06

So he came,

00:45:07 --> 00:45:09

and nobody did anything. And the you should

00:45:09 --> 00:45:11

have understood that when I did an exam

00:45:11 --> 00:45:14

I've had first time, second time,

00:45:14 --> 00:45:15

that,

00:45:17 --> 00:45:19

stand up just and kill him. So they

00:45:19 --> 00:45:20

told the prophet

00:45:21 --> 00:45:22

why did you hint?

00:45:23 --> 00:45:25

Why didn't you create any type of movement?

00:45:25 --> 00:45:27

So the prophet mentioned

00:45:29 --> 00:45:32

Mhmm. That, a prophet should never act in

00:45:32 --> 00:45:35

this fashion or this way. Mhmm. Meaning,

00:45:36 --> 00:45:38

it's a type of backstabbing. Mhmm. They say

00:45:38 --> 00:45:40

specifically blink shock or no? Yeah.

00:45:42 --> 00:45:44

That's not acceptable for for a for a

00:45:44 --> 00:45:45

prophet to do.

00:45:46 --> 00:45:47

So

00:45:48 --> 00:45:50

using That was very important clarification.

00:45:51 --> 00:45:52

What I understood Sheikh was also

00:45:53 --> 00:45:55

was a was became a governor

00:45:55 --> 00:45:58

afterwards. Yeah. After that, he's he's one of

00:45:58 --> 00:45:59

the main guys that opened

00:46:01 --> 00:46:03

Egypt or the first,

00:46:05 --> 00:46:06

I think the first,

00:46:07 --> 00:46:09

yeah, Muslim that conquered during the time of

00:46:09 --> 00:46:10

Muawiyah,

00:46:10 --> 00:46:11

the sea,

00:46:12 --> 00:46:13

when there was an expedition to utilize,

00:46:17 --> 00:46:19

navy forces, let's say. Mhmm. So I'd like

00:46:19 --> 00:46:19

to learn from some of them. The process

00:46:20 --> 00:46:22

process from one of them dead, like

00:46:22 --> 00:46:24

like okay. Can we say that all of

00:46:24 --> 00:46:25

these 9 people, if they accept to Islam,

00:46:25 --> 00:46:26

would they be forgiven?

00:46:27 --> 00:46:29

Yeah. That's between them and Allah. So so

00:46:29 --> 00:46:30

if they did that, they wouldn't be forgiven?

00:46:30 --> 00:46:32

No. Not necessarily.

00:46:33 --> 00:46:35

Okay. That's interesting. Let's see if one of

00:46:35 --> 00:46:37

them became a Muslim secretly, he may be

00:46:37 --> 00:46:40

forgiven, but the ruling should but in case

00:46:40 --> 00:46:42

of Abdullah ibn Abhisar, the

00:46:43 --> 00:46:46

even though he plead allegiance Yeah. And showed

00:46:46 --> 00:46:47

that he wants

00:46:48 --> 00:46:49

to enter in the fold of Islam,

00:46:50 --> 00:46:51

the ruling stands.

00:46:52 --> 00:46:54

But when he it was done once and

00:46:54 --> 00:46:56

twice, then the prophet

00:46:57 --> 00:46:58

exonerated it later on. Okay. So

00:46:59 --> 00:47:01

so if they accept Islam because remember the

00:47:01 --> 00:47:03

hadith of the the the man who came

00:47:03 --> 00:47:04

and said there was a man I was

00:47:04 --> 00:47:06

gonna strike, and he said, I accept Islam.

00:47:06 --> 00:47:08

He said, you're looking his heart. So the

00:47:08 --> 00:47:11

thing is, doesn't Islam hit him becoming a

00:47:11 --> 00:47:11

Muslim

00:47:11 --> 00:47:14

and negate the killing of him or necessary.

00:47:14 --> 00:47:16

Unless it's murder, for example. If it's murder,

00:47:16 --> 00:47:17

then you have to kill him. For example,

00:47:17 --> 00:47:18

let's say if a person,

00:47:19 --> 00:47:21

marks the prophet the prophet

00:47:22 --> 00:47:24

So even if he accepts Islam? So even

00:47:24 --> 00:47:26

if he that's the position of Bintayme, for

00:47:26 --> 00:47:28

example. Even if he accepts Islam, he must

00:47:28 --> 00:47:29

be killed.

00:47:29 --> 00:47:31

But does that mean that,

00:47:32 --> 00:47:34

things are not forgiven between him and Allah

00:47:34 --> 00:47:36

That's the matter between him and So that's

00:47:36 --> 00:47:37

the matter here after. He's he dies as

00:47:37 --> 00:47:40

a Muslim? Yeah. So let's say, in case

00:47:40 --> 00:47:41

of Abdullah Al Khattab, for example, if he

00:47:41 --> 00:47:42

entered Islam.

00:47:43 --> 00:47:43

So

00:47:44 --> 00:47:46

one cannot assume that, it will not be

00:47:46 --> 00:47:48

forgiven between him and Allah but

00:47:49 --> 00:47:52

the ruling stands unless the Ras alaihi

00:47:52 --> 00:47:55

wasallam, agrees. In this dunya in that sense

00:47:55 --> 00:47:56

in a light? It's possible. Yeah. It's possible.

00:47:56 --> 00:47:58

Yeah. So Abdullah, mister Khan, we have a

00:47:58 --> 00:47:59

particular situation that

00:48:00 --> 00:48:03

didn't override the ruling even if he shows

00:48:04 --> 00:48:06

that he wants to enter for Is there

00:48:06 --> 00:48:07

anything else that we know that he done,

00:48:07 --> 00:48:09

Sheikh, that you've come across? The the the

00:48:09 --> 00:48:11

one known thing that he done that he

00:48:11 --> 00:48:13

was a Muslim, he was one

00:48:14 --> 00:48:15

of, of,

00:48:17 --> 00:48:18

So

00:48:18 --> 00:48:19

when he,

00:48:20 --> 00:48:23

the Al Saidhan Islam went back and he

00:48:23 --> 00:48:26

was spreading the propaganda that I, that,

00:48:27 --> 00:48:27

Mohammed

00:48:27 --> 00:48:30

will just write down whatever I decide to

00:48:30 --> 00:48:31

him.

00:48:32 --> 00:48:33

Could could we say that that's infringing on

00:48:33 --> 00:48:35

national security? Because he knows that if people

00:48:35 --> 00:48:38

do believe him, it's gonna be outro. Yeah.

00:48:38 --> 00:48:39

Of course. And there's no way he yeah.

00:48:40 --> 00:48:40

Yeah. That's,

00:48:40 --> 00:48:43

he took such a dangerous role.

00:48:44 --> 00:48:46

When you spread that rumor that,

00:48:46 --> 00:48:49

he's not a truth or prophet, actually,

00:48:49 --> 00:48:52

the Quran is something that I established.

00:48:52 --> 00:48:54

I just recite something and he

00:48:55 --> 00:48:56

he writes it down.

00:48:56 --> 00:48:58

That's a problematic position.

00:48:59 --> 00:49:01

Absolutely. How would you respond to that, Sheikh?

00:49:01 --> 00:49:03

Let's say someone came to you and and

00:49:03 --> 00:49:04

had that position, how would you how would

00:49:04 --> 00:49:05

you respond?

00:49:06 --> 00:49:07

Like you know the orientist they use this

00:49:07 --> 00:49:09

in their websites and stuff like that. This

00:49:09 --> 00:49:12

is say look this is an example of,

00:49:13 --> 00:49:15

the manipulation of wahi

00:49:15 --> 00:49:17

or manipulation of the Quran. What's a good

00:49:17 --> 00:49:19

response that you've come across for this? There

00:49:19 --> 00:49:21

there are a couple of things that one

00:49:21 --> 00:49:24

can respond. For example, nobody essentially believed him.

00:49:24 --> 00:49:25

Mhmm.

00:49:26 --> 00:49:28

Because they knew the Arab at the time

00:49:28 --> 00:49:30

that this is something that even the Prophet

00:49:30 --> 00:49:32

himself cannot bring forth

00:49:33 --> 00:49:35

from himself. Nobody believed that the

00:49:38 --> 00:49:40

the linguistics within the Quran, the beautiful beauty

00:49:40 --> 00:49:42

of it is something that,

00:49:43 --> 00:49:45

nobody took him seriously.

00:49:45 --> 00:49:47

If that was the case, then

00:49:47 --> 00:49:49

And he wasn't the only scribe, so it

00:49:49 --> 00:49:50

was Yeah. It wasn't

00:49:51 --> 00:49:52

that challenge.

00:49:52 --> 00:49:54

Bring to produce something like he would say,

00:49:54 --> 00:49:55

look. I'll I'll produce

00:49:55 --> 00:49:57

it. Because he's remember, he he would come

00:49:57 --> 00:49:59

and then why didn't he produce it? He

00:49:59 --> 00:50:02

he was not claiming to create a Quran,

00:50:02 --> 00:50:04

but he was changing the words.

00:50:04 --> 00:50:05

What I'm saying is

00:50:06 --> 00:50:06

that

00:50:07 --> 00:50:09

the problem is getting it from him, then

00:50:09 --> 00:50:11

the challenge that says produce something like is

00:50:11 --> 00:50:12

against him because it's written by him. Now

00:50:12 --> 00:50:14

he can't produce it. Is do you get

00:50:14 --> 00:50:15

what I'm trying to say? He cannot produce

00:50:15 --> 00:50:17

the own challenges even if the Quran is

00:50:17 --> 00:50:17

from him.

00:50:18 --> 00:50:20

I think, what he was doing, when the

00:50:20 --> 00:50:23

prophet was telling him something, he would root

00:50:23 --> 00:50:25

something in, and then he will ask the

00:50:25 --> 00:50:26

prophet, is it right? He would say, no

00:50:26 --> 00:50:29

problem with those words. That was his claim.

00:50:29 --> 00:50:30

Was it? Yeah. Yeah. Because there are a

00:50:30 --> 00:50:32

couple of relations. One of them, I know,

00:50:32 --> 00:50:34

is the Ahar of Sabah. At the beginning

00:50:34 --> 00:50:36

of Islam, for example, there was not big

00:50:36 --> 00:50:38

of a deal in changing certain endings of

00:50:38 --> 00:50:40

the verses with the names of Allah

00:50:41 --> 00:50:42

to simplify matters.

00:50:42 --> 00:50:45

So the only condition at that time was

00:50:45 --> 00:50:45

don't,

00:50:46 --> 00:50:47

end,

00:50:47 --> 00:50:49

a verse of a Quran that is talking

00:50:49 --> 00:50:50

about torture

00:50:50 --> 00:50:51

with something that is,

00:50:52 --> 00:50:53

talking about Mercy.

00:50:53 --> 00:50:55

Mercy, for example.

00:50:56 --> 00:50:56

Then,

00:50:57 --> 00:50:59

everything was set firmly.

00:51:00 --> 00:51:00

So he

00:51:01 --> 00:51:03

there's a certain narration that shows that at

00:51:03 --> 00:51:05

a certain time he was trying like to

00:51:05 --> 00:51:06

test the prophet.

00:51:07 --> 00:51:07

Changing.

00:51:08 --> 00:51:11

And the prophet would accept it. So he

00:51:11 --> 00:51:13

became he created those assumptions

00:51:13 --> 00:51:14

going beyond Yani.

00:51:15 --> 00:51:16

Mhmm. Isn't the best response to the fact

00:51:16 --> 00:51:18

that he himself said I was lying

00:51:18 --> 00:51:19

afterwards?

00:51:19 --> 00:51:21

Yeah. Not just that, but he he became

00:51:21 --> 00:51:23

one of the propagators of Islam.

00:51:24 --> 00:51:26

And how can they use against us? Yeah.

00:51:26 --> 00:51:28

Yeah. He he believes the Quran is not

00:51:28 --> 00:51:29

the word of let's say the word of

00:51:29 --> 00:51:32

him, according to his claim. Then while later

00:51:32 --> 00:51:35

on, he is a proper Muslim. Yeah. Exactly

00:51:35 --> 00:51:36

that. But also a lot of these hadith,

00:51:36 --> 00:51:39

you'll be surprised, are weak. Mhmm. Yeah. So

00:51:39 --> 00:51:40

that this is an important,

00:51:40 --> 00:51:43

important point. And this one is weak. Yeah?

00:51:43 --> 00:51:45

Which one? The the one you mentioned was.

00:51:45 --> 00:51:47

The one about, the one I said that

00:51:47 --> 00:51:49

was weak, which I cut looks at was

00:51:49 --> 00:51:50

the the famous one they use

00:51:52 --> 00:51:54

in chapter 23 of the Quran where it

00:51:54 --> 00:51:56

says that he said it himself. Because what

00:51:56 --> 00:51:58

it says in that hadith is that, oh,

00:51:58 --> 00:52:00

I said that myself, and then it was

00:52:00 --> 00:52:02

and then it was revealed. So that's weak.

00:52:02 --> 00:52:03

Is there anything else that's weak? The the

00:52:03 --> 00:52:04

claim that he used to

00:52:05 --> 00:52:06

no. That's that's the main one they used,

00:52:06 --> 00:52:08

to be honest. That's that's that's the main

00:52:08 --> 00:52:09

yeah. I came across. I don't think the

00:52:09 --> 00:52:10

hadith is,

00:52:11 --> 00:52:12

is is strong.

00:52:13 --> 00:52:13

Okay.

00:52:15 --> 00:52:16

So now,

00:52:18 --> 00:52:20

Yeah. He he murdered an innocent man, and

00:52:20 --> 00:52:22

he fled to Mecca.

00:52:22 --> 00:52:23

And what happened to him?

00:52:24 --> 00:52:25

That was it. I think he was killed.

00:52:26 --> 00:52:27

Okay. So can you see the the theme

00:52:27 --> 00:52:29

of murder is coming back, isn't it? Yeah.

00:52:30 --> 00:52:33

What about Fartana and Sarah? I think Fartana

00:52:33 --> 00:52:36

was a singer. Mhmm. And, she used to

00:52:36 --> 00:52:38

be a servant or slave for

00:52:38 --> 00:52:39

the guy

00:52:40 --> 00:52:41

Abdulai bin Khattal. Abdulai bin Khattal.

00:52:42 --> 00:52:44

And, she was singing, and she was somehow,

00:52:45 --> 00:52:46

disrespecting the prophet.

00:52:47 --> 00:52:49

And later on, I think she was spared

00:52:49 --> 00:52:51

as well spared as well.

00:52:51 --> 00:52:53

She was One of them was spared for

00:52:53 --> 00:52:53

sure.

00:52:53 --> 00:52:55

Which one, was spared?

00:52:56 --> 00:52:58

I think it was, Sarah was spared. Yeah.

00:52:58 --> 00:53:00

I think but we've read also that Yeah.

00:53:00 --> 00:53:02

For tunnels. Might have been spared, so I

00:53:02 --> 00:53:03

think this is different.

00:53:04 --> 00:53:06

And and I in either case, you couldn't

00:53:06 --> 00:53:08

establish a ruling on this because it was

00:53:08 --> 00:53:10

we don't know, who's spared, who's not spared.

00:53:10 --> 00:53:12

Yeah. I think she was ordered to be

00:53:12 --> 00:53:14

killed, but then later on, she fled somewhere.

00:53:15 --> 00:53:15

She kept hitting

00:53:16 --> 00:53:18

hide over there. Later on, she come and

00:53:18 --> 00:53:20

she, I think, asked for forgiveness.

00:53:20 --> 00:53:23

And according to this, information, the prophet forgave

00:53:23 --> 00:53:25

her. Okay. Forgive her. Yeah. What what what

00:53:25 --> 00:53:26

is the information that you've got?

00:53:30 --> 00:53:31

It mentioned there's

00:53:33 --> 00:53:36

a Fathana 3. Go 3. Okay. It's

00:53:37 --> 00:53:38

Waqedi,

00:53:39 --> 00:53:39

Al Maghazi,

00:53:40 --> 00:53:42

and the second

00:53:42 --> 00:53:43

volume,

00:53:43 --> 00:53:44

which

00:53:44 --> 00:53:46

That's what the Sheikh says. Okay. Thank you.

00:53:46 --> 00:53:49

There are 3 opinions. Yep. Essentially, both were

00:53:49 --> 00:53:51

were killed. Mhmm. 1 both were exonerated,

00:53:52 --> 00:53:53

forgiven.

00:53:53 --> 00:53:54

And 1,

00:53:54 --> 00:53:56

the first was killed. The latter fled,

00:53:57 --> 00:53:59

and then she was killed later on. Mhmm.

00:53:59 --> 00:53:59

So

00:54:00 --> 00:54:01

So we don't know what happened with it.

00:54:01 --> 00:54:02

We don't know We're being honest.

00:54:03 --> 00:54:06

Okay. Yeah. Controversial based on weak hadith.

00:54:06 --> 00:54:08

Is extremely weak. Is it is it Shia?

00:54:08 --> 00:54:10

Is it? No. Well, the Shia are using

00:54:10 --> 00:54:11

quite often,

00:54:12 --> 00:54:12

isn't it?

00:54:13 --> 00:54:14

Okay.

00:54:16 --> 00:54:16

Who else,

00:54:18 --> 00:54:20

who who had who? 789, who has 789?

00:54:20 --> 00:54:21

You guys? I got

00:54:23 --> 00:54:23

Haber Haber

00:54:25 --> 00:54:27

ibn al Aswad. Mhmm.

00:54:27 --> 00:54:28

He was a very,

00:54:28 --> 00:54:30

very pernicious enemy of

00:54:31 --> 00:54:33

the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam.

00:54:33 --> 00:54:34

And Islam, he

00:54:35 --> 00:54:38

he inflicted a grievous injury on Zaynab, the

00:54:38 --> 00:54:39

daughter of the prophet.

00:54:40 --> 00:54:42

When she was pregnant and she was migrating

00:54:42 --> 00:54:44

from Makkah to Madinah,

00:54:45 --> 00:54:48

he pulled her off of a camel viciously

00:54:49 --> 00:54:51

to the ground and she was badly hurt

00:54:51 --> 00:54:53

and she had miscarriage as a result of

00:54:53 --> 00:54:53

that.

00:54:54 --> 00:54:57

But, he committed many other crimes and he

00:54:57 --> 00:54:58

wanted to

00:54:59 --> 00:55:01

to basically run away to Farsa, Iran.

00:55:02 --> 00:55:03

Mhmm. And,

00:55:04 --> 00:55:06

basically came to the prophet Muhammad

00:55:07 --> 00:55:09

sallallahu alaihi wasallam, and he forgave him.

00:55:09 --> 00:55:11

And, you know,

00:55:12 --> 00:55:13

he was forgiven. So

00:55:15 --> 00:55:18

Okay. And what about Haris ibn, Nuqais?

00:55:18 --> 00:55:20

He was the chief of the Khazraj tribe

00:55:20 --> 00:55:23

Mhmm. And he was killed for treachery

00:55:23 --> 00:55:24

because,

00:55:24 --> 00:55:25

they

00:55:25 --> 00:55:28

him and some other tribes in Medina

00:55:28 --> 00:55:29

conspired

00:55:29 --> 00:55:31

to betray the prophet, sallallahu alaihi wa sallam.

00:55:32 --> 00:55:33

Okay. So they wanted to kill. They wanted

00:55:33 --> 00:55:35

to get physical there. You can see this,

00:55:35 --> 00:55:37

all of these are examples

00:55:38 --> 00:55:38

of that.

00:55:39 --> 00:55:41

Washi, we know the story of everyone here

00:55:41 --> 00:55:41

knows the story of

00:55:42 --> 00:55:44

Washi or the the man who killed Hamza

00:55:45 --> 00:55:47

and then was forgiven by the prophet. And

00:55:47 --> 00:55:49

the prophet said just because of the traumatic

00:55:49 --> 00:55:51

experience of it, he said I don't wanna,

00:55:51 --> 00:55:53

you know see you effectively. But he was

00:55:53 --> 00:55:54

forgiven.

00:55:55 --> 00:55:55

Now,

00:55:56 --> 00:55:59

the controversy surrounding this is relating to freedom

00:55:59 --> 00:56:00

of speech

00:56:00 --> 00:56:03

as well. They say look well, these are

00:56:03 --> 00:56:05

they usually use this as an example especially

00:56:05 --> 00:56:07

the 2 poets girls. They say look, Islam

00:56:07 --> 00:56:10

is a religion that is fundamentally against freedom

00:56:10 --> 00:56:10

of speech

00:56:11 --> 00:56:12

because as you can see you had these

00:56:12 --> 00:56:13

2 women

00:56:13 --> 00:56:15

who were, you know,

00:56:15 --> 00:56:16

killed

00:56:16 --> 00:56:19

as a result of producing, criticizing poetry against

00:56:19 --> 00:56:21

the prophet Muhammad. How would you respond to

00:56:21 --> 00:56:21

that?

00:56:22 --> 00:56:24

Firstly, I would say that they were all

00:56:24 --> 00:56:25

of them, all of these poets were inciting

00:56:25 --> 00:56:27

violence against the prophet salallahu alaihi. Mhmm. And

00:56:27 --> 00:56:28

if you understand,

00:56:28 --> 00:56:30

the environment at that time, there was group

00:56:30 --> 00:56:31

a and group b. They both wanted to

00:56:31 --> 00:56:33

kill each other. Mhmm. And there was there

00:56:33 --> 00:56:34

is no middle person who just wants to

00:56:34 --> 00:56:35

speak their mind. Mhmm.

00:56:36 --> 00:56:39

There's that. And then if that was truly

00:56:39 --> 00:56:40

true, then we would also say, why did

00:56:40 --> 00:56:42

the prophet not take revenge on people that

00:56:42 --> 00:56:44

did not accept Islam or called him a

00:56:44 --> 00:56:45

false prophet

00:56:45 --> 00:56:48

or the the Quraish that said we don't

00:56:48 --> 00:56:49

accept your prophet. That's also freedom of speech.

00:56:49 --> 00:56:51

But what did we discover about the 2

00:56:51 --> 00:56:51

girls anyway?

00:56:52 --> 00:56:53

They were forgiven.

00:56:53 --> 00:56:55

Yeah. Or was or at least we can

00:56:55 --> 00:56:57

say it's not established that what? Yeah. That

00:56:57 --> 00:56:58

they were killed. Yeah. That's the minimum we

00:56:58 --> 00:57:00

can say. It's not actually even established that

00:57:00 --> 00:57:02

they were killed. And all the narrations that

00:57:02 --> 00:57:03

talk about these things are conflicting

00:57:04 --> 00:57:05

and inauthentic.

00:57:05 --> 00:57:06

So that's

00:57:06 --> 00:57:08

a secondary point. But let me push you

00:57:08 --> 00:57:10

a little bit on the point because we

00:57:10 --> 00:57:12

had the conversation before the class about freedom

00:57:12 --> 00:57:14

of speech and stuff like that. Now freedom

00:57:14 --> 00:57:15

of speech has become

00:57:15 --> 00:57:18

a holy cow, really has become one of

00:57:18 --> 00:57:19

the, gods of the west.

00:57:20 --> 00:57:22

Freedom of speech, especially now the right wing

00:57:22 --> 00:57:24

we're seeing a lot of people speak about

00:57:24 --> 00:57:25

freedom of speech.

00:57:26 --> 00:57:28

How would you, Abdurrahman, if I were to

00:57:28 --> 00:57:29

say to you, listen,

00:57:29 --> 00:57:31

let's argue against freedom of speech Right. As

00:57:31 --> 00:57:32

a concept.

00:57:33 --> 00:57:35

Yeah. Let's pretend now I am because I

00:57:35 --> 00:57:37

think we're being a little bit defensive here.

00:57:37 --> 00:57:38

I think Ali's already itching. He wants to

00:57:38 --> 00:57:40

say so what? He wants to start smacking.

00:57:40 --> 00:57:41

He wants to punch somebody. He say, hey.

00:57:41 --> 00:57:43

Blasphemy laws. I'll take him and tell me

00:57:43 --> 00:57:44

his opinion. Proud of it. And we're proud

00:57:44 --> 00:57:45

of him. I wanna stone him and take

00:57:45 --> 00:57:46

the popcorn as well.

00:57:47 --> 00:57:49

He because he wants to say that. And

00:57:49 --> 00:57:51

and certainly, there is an opinion in Islam,

00:57:52 --> 00:57:54

which does talk about blasphemy laws. Obviously,

00:57:54 --> 00:57:56

the Sheikh has already mentioned, talks about that

00:57:56 --> 00:57:58

very clearly. He says that someone who mocks

00:57:58 --> 00:58:00

and blasphemes the prophet, whether a Muslim or

00:58:00 --> 00:58:02

none, should be killed, and that's the opinion.

00:58:02 --> 00:58:04

There was another opinion, of course, as well.

00:58:04 --> 00:58:06

So that's in Pakistan as well? Yeah. It's

00:58:06 --> 00:58:07

a big thing in Pakistan. There is another

00:58:07 --> 00:58:09

opinion as well, which is the opinion of

00:58:09 --> 00:58:09

the Hanafis

00:58:10 --> 00:58:12

who say that actually that's not the case.

00:58:12 --> 00:58:13

And that was the opinion that had been

00:58:13 --> 00:58:16

that had been was arguing against, in fact.

00:58:16 --> 00:58:18

Because otherwise, if it was established, then there'd

00:58:18 --> 00:58:20

be no reason for him to produce an

00:58:20 --> 00:58:22

entire book. Also, I'm fine

00:58:22 --> 00:58:23

with.

00:58:24 --> 00:58:25

Yeah. Yeah. But what I'm saying is that

00:58:25 --> 00:58:26

there are 2 opinions.

00:58:26 --> 00:58:28

And both of them so if it was

00:58:29 --> 00:58:30

if it was fully established

00:58:30 --> 00:58:32

that the opinion of blasphemy is x, y,

00:58:32 --> 00:58:34

and zed, then there wouldn't be 2 opinions

00:58:34 --> 00:58:35

on the matter. What's the opinion of the

00:58:35 --> 00:58:36

Hanafist?

00:58:36 --> 00:58:37

The the opinion of the Hanafis is that

00:58:37 --> 00:58:39

if a Christian or a Jew

00:58:40 --> 00:58:41

is to mock the prophet Muhammad or to

00:58:41 --> 00:58:42

mock Islam.

00:58:43 --> 00:58:45

No. Mocker. I'm sorry about blasphemy laws that

00:58:45 --> 00:58:47

they would not be killed. Okay. And they

00:58:47 --> 00:58:49

they have some interesting, you know, responses that

00:58:49 --> 00:58:50

I say, for example,

00:58:51 --> 00:58:52

someone came to the prophet and said to

00:58:52 --> 00:58:54

him, he's the Muslim man. He is this

00:58:54 --> 00:58:56

is praiseworthy. He didn't he didn't for example,

00:58:56 --> 00:58:58

they use this is a very famous thing

00:58:58 --> 00:59:00

that they use where the the Jews came

00:59:00 --> 00:59:03

to the prophet and said, that, you know,

00:59:03 --> 00:59:05

death be upon you, which considers to be

00:59:05 --> 00:59:06

mockery and an insult to the point where

00:59:06 --> 00:59:07

Aisha

00:59:07 --> 00:59:09

attacked them very fiercely, but then the prophet,

00:59:09 --> 00:59:12

you know, retorted. He said, you know,

00:59:17 --> 00:59:18

That the, you know,

00:59:19 --> 00:59:20

that gentleness

00:59:20 --> 00:59:22

wasn't in something except that it made it

00:59:22 --> 00:59:25

more beautiful, and the removal of gentleness from

00:59:25 --> 00:59:26

something made it more ugly.

00:59:27 --> 00:59:29

So these are examples of when the Hassan

00:59:29 --> 00:59:29

was attacked,

00:59:30 --> 00:59:31

you know, face to face

00:59:32 --> 00:59:33

on on the on that level. And he

00:59:33 --> 00:59:35

didn't respond in he didn't respond in a

00:59:35 --> 00:59:36

manner that was

00:59:36 --> 00:59:38

belligerent, or he didn't order even for the

00:59:38 --> 00:59:40

death of those people. So there are 2

00:59:40 --> 00:59:41

opinions in Islam. Let them hang. It's not

00:59:41 --> 00:59:43

our business to talk to to say this

00:59:43 --> 00:59:44

one is the right one, this one is

00:59:44 --> 00:59:46

the wrong one. What we can say is,

00:59:47 --> 00:59:49

that when it comes to the opinion that

00:59:49 --> 00:59:50

says

00:59:50 --> 00:59:53

that, you know, it's you you can kill

00:59:53 --> 00:59:54

or you should kill,

00:59:55 --> 00:59:57

that whether one wants to take that opinion

00:59:57 --> 00:59:57

or not,

00:59:58 --> 01:00:00

The more important thing is about the psychological

01:00:00 --> 01:00:02

reactions of the prophet Muhammad. Well, it's a

01:00:02 --> 01:00:02

criticism.

01:00:03 --> 01:00:04

Because what we don't see is that he's

01:00:04 --> 01:00:06

reacting in a way

01:00:06 --> 01:00:08

which is agitated. For example, I gave you

01:00:08 --> 01:00:10

the example of the the Jewish tribes that

01:00:10 --> 01:00:11

came to him and said, I gave

01:00:12 --> 01:00:13

you the example of the person with them.

01:00:13 --> 01:00:15

There's another example,

01:00:15 --> 01:00:16

which is,

01:00:16 --> 01:00:17

when

01:00:17 --> 01:00:20

when the woman was shouting and saying, you

01:00:20 --> 01:00:22

know, Mohammed is I think it's the same.

01:00:22 --> 01:00:23

He said, Mohammed is not, this is not

01:00:23 --> 01:00:25

here. This is not me. The way he

01:00:25 --> 01:00:26

dealt with it is a very

01:00:27 --> 01:00:27

classy

01:00:28 --> 01:00:30

way. He didn't get agitated like a narcissist,

01:00:30 --> 01:00:33

quote unquote, would. Right? Because that's a a

01:00:33 --> 01:00:35

a broader psychological case that they try and

01:00:35 --> 01:00:36

make against the prophet. That he was a

01:00:36 --> 01:00:38

man that was so obsessed with his character

01:00:38 --> 01:00:39

and so on, but we're not seeing that.

01:00:40 --> 01:00:42

So they bring these now, these examples that

01:00:42 --> 01:00:44

we've just given. And we've just seen 80%

01:00:44 --> 01:00:46

of them, if if if not more,

01:00:47 --> 01:00:50

have been at, either attached to murder

01:00:50 --> 01:00:51

or committed

01:00:52 --> 01:00:54

a kind of murder or physical assault. So

01:00:54 --> 01:00:55

that's the first point.

01:00:55 --> 01:00:57

But before I get to Ali, I just

01:00:57 --> 01:00:58

want to ask Abdulhaman.

01:00:58 --> 01:01:00

How would you argue against the person now

01:01:00 --> 01:01:02

who's a free speech absolutist who believes in

01:01:02 --> 01:01:04

a holy holy cow, this kind of thing?

01:01:04 --> 01:01:05

What would you say to them? Yeah. So

01:01:05 --> 01:01:07

I've had these conversations before with,

01:01:07 --> 01:01:10

people who claim to be absolutists in freedom

01:01:10 --> 01:01:11

of speech, and I don't believe there is

01:01:11 --> 01:01:12

such a thing.

01:01:13 --> 01:01:14

And what I do is generally give them

01:01:14 --> 01:01:15

certain thought experiments.

01:01:15 --> 01:01:17

So let's say, for example, you know, nowadays

01:01:17 --> 01:01:19

we're seeing in the right wing space. We're

01:01:19 --> 01:01:20

seeing a lot of people,

01:01:21 --> 01:01:24

even even, quite frankly, we're seeing, these new

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age red pill people.

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They're talking about we're seeing on Twitter spaces

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and so on. They're talking about

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freedom of speech. Let's pretend me and you

01:01:31 --> 01:01:33

are having a conversation. So what would you

01:01:33 --> 01:01:34

say to them?

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I would say, if something is done through

01:01:37 --> 01:01:39

consent and does not harm anyone, do you

01:01:39 --> 01:01:42

feel like that should be allowed? Yes. Okay.

01:01:42 --> 01:01:44

So, if someone were to use, for example,

01:01:44 --> 01:01:46

Midjourney AI Why is that? Tell us what

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that is. Midjourney is a thing where you

01:01:48 --> 01:01:49

put a prompt in and you can create

01:01:49 --> 01:01:50

any image you want.

01:01:50 --> 01:01:52

If someone were to create a prompt whereby

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they would be showing child *,

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but those children are not real children. They

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don't exist on this on this earth, but

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they look exactly like like children, like your

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daughter, like my daughter, for example. Would that

01:02:01 --> 01:02:03

be something that you would be fine with?

01:02:03 --> 01:02:05

Oh, so that's a fantastic one, isn't it?

01:02:05 --> 01:02:06

So it's a really good response, sir. Because

01:02:06 --> 01:02:08

it's not harming anyone. Oh, that's that's excellent.

01:02:08 --> 01:02:09

Yeah. Because no one knows about it, and

01:02:09 --> 01:02:11

you don't need to do consent because the

01:02:11 --> 01:02:13

So what's the conclusion of this, excellent The

01:02:13 --> 01:02:14

conclusion is that no one believes in absolute

01:02:14 --> 01:02:17

freedom speech Uh-huh. Or freedom of anything that

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doesn't include And if they do believe it,

01:02:18 --> 01:02:19

then what will it cause?

01:02:19 --> 01:02:21

Yeah. Absurdities like this. No. Just I wouldn't

01:02:21 --> 01:02:23

call it absurdities. It would cause what?

01:02:25 --> 01:02:27

Chaos would it would cause negative consequences. Yeah.

01:02:27 --> 01:02:29

It would. Exactly. Not only that. That's very

01:02:29 --> 01:02:31

good, very good argument. Would you agree? Yeah.

01:02:31 --> 01:02:32

That's brilliant. Excellent argument.

01:02:32 --> 01:02:33

It it goes against human psychology

01:02:34 --> 01:02:36

to expect that. Yeah. And to expect that

01:02:36 --> 01:02:37

you're gonna say something or there's gonna be

01:02:37 --> 01:02:39

no consequences. Like, is that what's that movie

01:02:39 --> 01:02:40

when it goes to the black neighborhood?

01:02:41 --> 01:02:43

Oh, Die Hard Yeah. With the vengeance. Die

01:02:43 --> 01:02:44

Hard. I mean, it's it's it's crazy to

01:02:44 --> 01:02:46

expect that, okay, you're freedom is there's free

01:02:46 --> 01:02:48

there's no freedom of consequence, mama. There's gonna

01:02:48 --> 01:02:50

be consequences. There's no freedom of I had

01:02:50 --> 01:02:52

this conversation as well recently. That's a very

01:02:52 --> 01:02:54

good point. Freedom of speech, freedom of consequences.

01:02:54 --> 01:02:56

That's excellent. I like that, terminology as well.

01:02:57 --> 01:02:58

Because I had a conversation with,

01:02:59 --> 01:03:01

with some of the guys and I was

01:03:01 --> 01:03:02

saying to them look, what is freedom of

01:03:02 --> 01:03:04

speech? It's If you put it on the

01:03:04 --> 01:03:06

political spectrum, where does it land?

01:03:06 --> 01:03:08

It lands more left. If you think about

01:03:08 --> 01:03:10

it, it's closer to anarchy. Yeah. Because what

01:03:10 --> 01:03:11

you're saying is effectively,

01:03:11 --> 01:03:13

let's get the government out of

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the censorship of our speech. That's what you're

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saying.

01:03:17 --> 01:03:18

Isn't that what you're saying? So if you

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take it further, then let's say, okay. Let's

01:03:19 --> 01:03:21

get them out of protection. Let's get them

01:03:21 --> 01:03:22

out of what I see. Move towards an

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an arbitral position.

01:03:24 --> 01:03:26

No. Forget that for a second. What I'm

01:03:26 --> 01:03:27

saying is that if if we're going in

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that direction as well, right?

01:03:30 --> 01:03:31

I would consider the position

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of those, let's just call them radicals for

01:03:34 --> 01:03:35

now, that we disagree with, the people that,

01:03:35 --> 01:03:37

you know, Charlie Hebdo and that we disagree

01:03:37 --> 01:03:38

with. I have to make sure all the

01:03:38 --> 01:03:40

caveats are there. But it's more of an

01:03:40 --> 01:03:42

anarchical position. Think about it. Because what they're

01:03:42 --> 01:03:45

saying is this, you have freedom of speech.

01:03:45 --> 01:03:46

Yes?

01:03:46 --> 01:03:48

You have freedom of speech to say and

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mock whoever you like. But we also have

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freedom

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to go against the laws.

01:03:54 --> 01:03:55

And we don't care about the laws. We

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don't even believe in the social contract,

01:03:57 --> 01:03:57

contract.

01:03:58 --> 01:04:00

So if you think about freedom of speech

01:04:00 --> 01:04:01

as going in a trajectory,

01:04:02 --> 01:04:02

whereby

01:04:03 --> 01:04:05

it's basically saying we don't want the government

01:04:05 --> 01:04:06

to get involved in these things.

01:04:08 --> 01:04:09

So what the

01:04:09 --> 01:04:11

radical position is, let's say the terrorist position,

01:04:11 --> 01:04:12

the terrorists will say,

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well, I don't care if the government says

01:04:15 --> 01:04:17

it's illegal for me to kill a man.

01:04:17 --> 01:04:18

I'm gonna do it anyway.

01:04:19 --> 01:04:21

So he's adopting a more freedom centered approach.

01:04:22 --> 01:04:24

It's a more anarchical position. It's more radical

01:04:24 --> 01:04:26

than the free speech absolute position. So if

01:04:26 --> 01:04:28

you push the envelope with the free speech

01:04:28 --> 01:04:30

absolute position, you become more like that anyway.

01:04:31 --> 01:04:32

So he so in that world,

01:04:33 --> 01:04:34

where you can say whatever you want because

01:04:34 --> 01:04:36

you don't want the government to get involved

01:04:36 --> 01:04:37

and censor what you're saying,

01:04:38 --> 01:04:38

then

01:04:39 --> 01:04:40

the the the respondent may say, well,

01:04:41 --> 01:04:42

I don't care. I don't want the government

01:04:42 --> 01:04:44

to get involved in the consequences. I'm gonna

01:04:44 --> 01:04:45

exact upon you if you try and hurt

01:04:45 --> 01:04:47

me with your words, which is I'm gonna

01:04:47 --> 01:04:48

hurt you with my

01:04:49 --> 01:04:51

body, which is the terrorist position

01:04:51 --> 01:04:53

for the sake of argument. So what I'm

01:04:53 --> 01:04:54

saying is the terrorist position

01:04:55 --> 01:04:57

is not out of touch with

01:04:57 --> 01:04:59

a free speech and our core position. In

01:04:59 --> 01:05:00

fact, it's a radical

01:05:00 --> 01:05:02

and our core position. The terrorist position is

01:05:02 --> 01:05:03

in line

01:05:04 --> 01:05:05

with far left.

01:05:06 --> 01:05:07

That's why you'll find a lot of these

01:05:07 --> 01:05:09

groups say act like that, like Antifa and

01:05:09 --> 01:05:10

stuff like that. They probably understand it like

01:05:10 --> 01:05:12

that. So, you know, who cares about the

01:05:12 --> 01:05:14

government, whatever. We'll do what we want anyway.

01:05:14 --> 01:05:16

What I'm saying is, the blasphemy law, those

01:05:16 --> 01:05:18

who are, you know, if they want to

01:05:18 --> 01:05:20

take the terrorist position on the matter in

01:05:20 --> 01:05:21

the Western context,

01:05:21 --> 01:05:23

then they have an argument to make as

01:05:23 --> 01:05:25

well, if they wanted to, which is similar

01:05:25 --> 01:05:27

to the argument that you would initially make,

01:05:27 --> 01:05:29

which is, let's get the government out of

01:05:30 --> 01:05:31

censoring our speech. Let's say, well, let's get

01:05:31 --> 01:05:34

the government out of censoring our actions,

01:05:35 --> 01:05:37

which even if it does harm because I

01:05:37 --> 01:05:38

for me, I don't care about harming or

01:05:38 --> 01:05:39

not harming, the first

01:05:40 --> 01:05:41

would say. Do you want to add something?

01:05:41 --> 01:05:42

Yep. Sure.

01:05:43 --> 01:05:44

When did Rashi accept Islam?

01:05:45 --> 01:05:46

Rashi? Yeah.

01:05:46 --> 01:05:49

I'm not sure exactly. If if I can,

01:05:49 --> 01:05:50

I'm not sure. Know who's do you know

01:05:50 --> 01:05:52

who's at the conquest of Mecca before Yeah.

01:05:52 --> 01:05:53

Yeah. Yeah. It was around this. After he

01:05:53 --> 01:05:54

killed,

01:05:54 --> 01:05:55

Hamza

01:05:56 --> 01:05:59

and he returned, he accepted Islam, I think.

01:05:59 --> 01:06:00

I mean, I don't know exactly what I

01:06:00 --> 01:06:02

haven't come across exactly when he I think

01:06:02 --> 01:06:03

it's around this time, to be honest.

01:06:03 --> 01:06:05

Yeah. Yeah. With Amaka? Mhmm.

01:06:06 --> 01:06:08

It? Because it's it's it's quite profound because

01:06:08 --> 01:06:09

it can it's a good argument to make

01:06:09 --> 01:06:11

where if it was personal, if there was

01:06:11 --> 01:06:12

anyone that could have been on that list

01:06:12 --> 01:06:13

would have been Washi. Beautiful.

01:06:13 --> 01:06:14

So Beautiful. And if it was if it

01:06:14 --> 01:06:16

was personal, he would have said Washi is

01:06:16 --> 01:06:17

the Why why for those who don't know

01:06:17 --> 01:06:19

why? Because the thing is, yeah, it shows

01:06:19 --> 01:06:21

that it's not a matter of people violating

01:06:21 --> 01:06:23

his rights rather Allah's rights. Because if it

01:06:23 --> 01:06:25

was Warshi, he we even know from narrations

01:06:25 --> 01:06:26

that he said, I don't I don't can

01:06:26 --> 01:06:28

you imagine? He said, I don't want to

01:06:28 --> 01:06:30

see him. That's how much he was hurt

01:06:30 --> 01:06:31

what happened to, his uncle, Hamza. He killed

01:06:31 --> 01:06:34

his uncle. Exactly. So if he was alive

01:06:34 --> 01:06:35

at this time, this is profound because it

01:06:35 --> 01:06:37

shows it was never personal in the sense

01:06:37 --> 01:06:39

that it was Allah's That's really really Allah's

01:06:39 --> 01:06:41

legislation that's been But she is always an

01:06:41 --> 01:06:42

excellent language. Exactly. But we need to find

01:06:42 --> 01:06:44

out if this if he accepted Islam. Because

01:06:44 --> 01:06:45

if he accepted Islam before then, it doesn't

01:06:45 --> 01:06:47

count. Because how is he gonna put him

01:06:47 --> 01:06:48

in the name when he's a Muslim? So

01:06:48 --> 01:06:50

it all the term it determines when Waqi

01:06:50 --> 01:06:51

accepted Islam. If we find that out, then

01:06:51 --> 01:06:53

it's a powerful argument to use against them.

01:06:54 --> 01:06:56

Well, yeah. Absolutely. He converted to Islam, and

01:06:56 --> 01:06:57

then he was I think you can use

01:06:57 --> 01:06:58

the argument. I think it's very good. Because

01:06:58 --> 01:07:00

if it's after the before the conquest, then

01:07:00 --> 01:07:01

it's not gonna apply, is it? Because why

01:07:01 --> 01:07:02

would you have him on the list on

01:07:02 --> 01:07:04

the 9 when he accepted Islam before?

01:07:04 --> 01:07:05

Did you get it? No. He he

01:07:06 --> 01:07:08

accepted Islam in Fat Hamakkah. Okay.

01:07:09 --> 01:07:11

Brilliant. So if they go if we if

01:07:11 --> 01:07:12

we have the information, that is profound because

01:07:12 --> 01:07:14

it shows it's not personal. Yeah. Okay. So,

01:07:14 --> 01:07:16

another thing which is highly sorry. Sorry. Can

01:07:16 --> 01:07:19

I just mention, is this some a similar

01:07:19 --> 01:07:19

situation

01:07:20 --> 01:07:21

to when,

01:07:21 --> 01:07:24

Azat Ali was was gonna kill someone and

01:07:24 --> 01:07:26

raised his sword and the guy spat in

01:07:26 --> 01:07:27

his face? Yeah. I I actually looked up

01:07:27 --> 01:07:29

that Hadith. I thought I wasn't always a

01:07:29 --> 01:07:31

week. I think the hadith is weak. Was

01:07:31 --> 01:07:33

isn't did they attribute it to handak? But

01:07:33 --> 01:07:34

no. No. But I might be wrong because

01:07:34 --> 01:07:35

I don't wanna

01:07:35 --> 01:07:37

but I looked I tried to find that

01:07:37 --> 01:07:38

hadith, but I couldn't I could be wrong.

01:07:38 --> 01:07:40

But he didn't kill him because it would

01:07:40 --> 01:07:41

have been

01:07:41 --> 01:07:43

something personal for him. Yeah. I need to

01:07:43 --> 01:07:45

double check the authenticity of the hadith because

01:07:45 --> 01:07:46

someone mentioned it to me before. I tried

01:07:46 --> 01:07:48

to look it up and but, yeah, it

01:07:48 --> 01:07:49

would be the same thing. It would be

01:07:49 --> 01:07:50

the same. The hadith is there, but I

01:07:50 --> 01:07:52

don't know if it's authentic or not. We've

01:07:52 --> 01:07:54

got a couple of slides, guys. Yeah. She

01:07:55 --> 01:07:58

converted to Islam after the Fatiha Mecca. Yeah.

01:07:58 --> 01:07:59

After? Yes.

01:07:59 --> 01:08:01

After? Yeah? Yeah. There you go.

01:08:02 --> 01:08:03

Yeah. Yeah. There you have

01:08:03 --> 01:08:06

it. So okay. Here we go. Next one,

01:08:06 --> 01:08:09

there's this very interesting thing. First of all,

01:08:09 --> 01:08:09

Bilal,

01:08:10 --> 01:08:10

obviously,

01:08:11 --> 01:08:12

a black slave

01:08:13 --> 01:08:14

who was being tortured

01:08:15 --> 01:08:15

and stuff.

01:08:16 --> 01:08:18

Now, he was symbolically given the right to

01:08:18 --> 01:08:20

go and give the Adan from the top

01:08:20 --> 01:08:20

of the Kaaba.

01:08:22 --> 01:08:23

Now that was such a powerful thing. I

01:08:23 --> 01:08:24

I even came across some Hadith that said

01:08:24 --> 01:08:26

some of the Arabs were very upset that

01:08:26 --> 01:08:28

a black man was doing that. But it's

01:08:28 --> 01:08:30

this is one of the evidences

01:08:30 --> 01:08:32

that Islam is a religion that's

01:08:33 --> 01:08:33

color

01:08:34 --> 01:08:37

blind. It's it's only the only ancient world

01:08:37 --> 01:08:40

religion, which really doesn't care about where you're

01:08:40 --> 01:08:42

from, and that's why it's been so successful

01:08:42 --> 01:08:43

in terms of bringing people from all kinds,

01:08:43 --> 01:08:45

corners of the earth.

01:08:45 --> 01:08:47

So it's a very beautiful thing. Another thing

01:08:47 --> 01:08:49

which to before I end,

01:08:50 --> 01:08:51

you know this had I don't know if

01:08:51 --> 01:08:52

you come across this

01:08:52 --> 01:08:54

this interaction with, Hind.

01:08:55 --> 01:08:57

You know Hind, and when she became Muslim,

01:08:57 --> 01:08:58

and she was shouting as,

01:08:59 --> 01:09:01

and this whole story. I'm not sure if

01:09:01 --> 01:09:03

you came across the story. Well, basically, she

01:09:03 --> 01:09:05

was there and that she was asked to

01:09:05 --> 01:09:06

pledge allegiance with the woman.

01:09:07 --> 01:09:08

And then she's at the beginning she said,

01:09:08 --> 01:09:09

like, you didn't ask the men to do

01:09:09 --> 01:09:11

it like this, and she was shouting at

01:09:11 --> 01:09:12

the prophet and she was, you know, all

01:09:12 --> 01:09:14

these kind of things and she was saying

01:09:15 --> 01:09:16

because, you know, in Surah Al Baum Ta'an,

01:09:16 --> 01:09:17

it says that, you know, part of the

01:09:17 --> 01:09:19

alleged, pledge of allegiance is that

01:09:21 --> 01:09:23

that you're not meant to steal or you're

01:09:23 --> 01:09:24

not meant to do

01:09:25 --> 01:09:27

And they don't kill your children, and so

01:09:27 --> 01:09:28

on and so forth.

01:09:28 --> 01:09:31

And then apparently, she turned around and she

01:09:31 --> 01:09:31

was like,

01:09:32 --> 01:09:35

so she was very loud, outspoken woman that,

01:09:35 --> 01:09:36

you know, she was doing all those kind

01:09:36 --> 01:09:37

of things.

01:09:38 --> 01:09:39

I came across the Hadith because this is

01:09:39 --> 01:09:42

a very blatant part of the, narrative. And

01:09:42 --> 01:09:45

in fact, I've seen some feminists make a

01:09:45 --> 01:09:46

point out of this and say, well, this

01:09:46 --> 01:09:47

shows you woman had the right and the

01:09:47 --> 01:09:49

prophet didn't engage her, and he didn't he

01:09:49 --> 01:09:51

let her speak and so on. And look,

01:09:51 --> 01:09:52

it shows you this and that. Actually, the

01:09:52 --> 01:09:53

hadith are weak.

01:09:55 --> 01:09:57

No. The whole thing is weak. No. But

01:09:57 --> 01:09:58

it's important for me to because someone will

01:09:58 --> 01:10:00

say, well, brother. The The whole thing, you're

01:10:00 --> 01:10:02

gonna keep saying is this is weak and

01:10:02 --> 01:10:04

that is weak. I'm saying, but nowadays, people

01:10:04 --> 01:10:05

are using these aspects from the to

01:10:06 --> 01:10:08

justify feminism. So at that point, I'm gonna

01:10:08 --> 01:10:10

say to you, sorry to say, this thing

01:10:10 --> 01:10:11

is weak. Just like we did in the

01:10:11 --> 01:10:13

last session, we were talking about apparently being

01:10:13 --> 01:10:15

shouted up by his wife. And he was

01:10:15 --> 01:10:17

standing there. His wife was telling him this

01:10:17 --> 01:10:19

and that and, whatever. And then the man

01:10:19 --> 01:10:20

left because he said, I have you got

01:10:20 --> 01:10:22

a bigger problem than I do. And we

01:10:22 --> 01:10:23

said that hadith was weak.

01:10:23 --> 01:10:25

So if the moment I start seeing we

01:10:25 --> 01:10:27

start seeing as a community, people start using

01:10:27 --> 01:10:30

this stuff to try and manipulate their husbands

01:10:30 --> 01:10:32

and or to try and, deprecate from the

01:10:32 --> 01:10:33

role of the man or something like that,

01:10:33 --> 01:10:34

or the opposite.

01:10:34 --> 01:10:36

To try and create too much of a

01:10:36 --> 01:10:38

rigid environment for a woman or whatever it

01:10:38 --> 01:10:39

may be, then we have to say, sorry

01:10:39 --> 01:10:41

to say, your is the. Just because you're

01:10:41 --> 01:10:43

reading or listening to it from a it

01:10:43 --> 01:10:44

doesn't mean it's correct.

01:10:45 --> 01:10:47

So the if The moment we start seeing

01:10:47 --> 01:10:49

people exploit the leniency that

01:10:49 --> 01:10:50

have had

01:10:51 --> 01:10:53

with, narrations because it's not meant to be,

01:10:53 --> 01:10:55

highly authentic, then we should respond.

01:10:58 --> 01:10:59

And this is the last thing would I

01:10:59 --> 01:11:00

end with

01:11:01 --> 01:11:02

and very very powerful.

01:11:03 --> 01:11:05

And it shows you a lie, the idea

01:11:05 --> 01:11:07

of we've spoken about this in the last

01:11:07 --> 01:11:09

couple of sessions. The idea of loyalty in

01:11:09 --> 01:11:10

Islam.

01:11:11 --> 01:11:12

Because what happened was that when the prophet

01:11:12 --> 01:11:13

came

01:11:13 --> 01:11:14

back to,

01:11:15 --> 01:11:16

Makkah,

01:11:17 --> 01:11:19

the Ansar started to see that his relationship

01:11:20 --> 01:11:21

with the people, he was very forgiving,

01:11:22 --> 01:11:23

and they felt something.

01:11:24 --> 01:11:26

They said And they even started mentioning it.

01:11:26 --> 01:11:27

He said, like, you know, you're being very

01:11:27 --> 01:11:28

nice with them and

01:11:29 --> 01:11:30

clearly

01:11:30 --> 01:11:32

mercy or compassion has overtook you because they

01:11:32 --> 01:11:34

felt it's like you could say they felt

01:11:34 --> 01:11:36

jealousy. You could say they felt because look

01:11:36 --> 01:11:37

at this, They love the prophet and this

01:11:37 --> 01:11:39

is a good evidence they love the prophet

01:11:39 --> 01:11:40

Muhammad SAWSALAM.

01:11:40 --> 01:11:42

So why are you like that with them?

01:11:42 --> 01:11:43

It's like, what about us? We were there

01:11:43 --> 01:11:44

in the beginning.

01:11:45 --> 01:11:47

So he came and he confronted them.

01:11:47 --> 01:11:48

He says, is it true that you guys

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are saying such and such to the Ansar?

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Remember, the Ansar are the ones who who

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were with him with all the Hazawat and

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all the fighting and all the battle.

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Later on. This happened actually after.

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Really? Because I After.

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Because men this is mentioned in the same

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chapter here, Sheikhadullah. Strange. Yeah. Because the because

01:12:06 --> 01:12:07

the prophet when,

01:12:08 --> 01:12:09

the bounty he Yeah. He was given it

01:12:09 --> 01:12:12

and then Oh, really? They found, an issue

01:12:12 --> 01:12:14

with that. They I found this I picked

01:12:14 --> 01:12:16

this up from the book of, Ibrahim Al

01:12:16 --> 01:12:17

Ali. Yep. Usually,

01:12:17 --> 01:12:20

it's not mentioned after Fatima. It's mentioned after

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Hazrat Harin.

01:12:21 --> 01:12:24

Really? About her name and. Yeah. Yeah. But

01:12:24 --> 01:12:25

I'll mention I'll mention it anyway. I'll mention

01:12:25 --> 01:12:27

it anyway. I mean, he mentions it in

01:12:27 --> 01:12:29

his book, in this chapter of Fatimaqa. So

01:12:29 --> 01:12:31

that's the only reason. So so basically what

01:12:31 --> 01:12:33

happened was this is that, you know, they

01:12:33 --> 01:12:35

came and so on and they said, you

01:12:35 --> 01:12:37

know, you're being very nice with them and

01:12:37 --> 01:12:39

And then there was a phrase that he

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mentioned, which is a very powerful

01:12:41 --> 01:12:43

phrase, and it shows you the the the

01:12:43 --> 01:12:44

the importance of loyalty in Islam.

01:12:45 --> 01:12:46

He says,

01:12:50 --> 01:12:53

It's a very He says, basically, just a

01:12:53 --> 01:12:54

loose translation.

01:12:54 --> 01:12:56

But we live together and we die together.

01:12:57 --> 01:12:58

That's a very Imagine the prophet

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saying that to you. So listen, we

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they call it what ride or die.

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So, we are together, we're one thing now,

01:13:06 --> 01:13:07

that's it. We live together,

01:13:08 --> 01:13:09

and we die together.

01:13:10 --> 01:13:11

And that shows you the importance of the

01:13:11 --> 01:13:13

loyalty that that there's such an in connection

01:13:13 --> 01:13:14

between

01:13:14 --> 01:13:16

those people, and it's the most beautiful thing

01:13:16 --> 01:13:18

that you can have, maybe in the dunya,

01:13:18 --> 01:13:19

really.

01:13:19 --> 01:13:21

Having a a true brotherhood, and this is

01:13:21 --> 01:13:22

something Islam

01:13:23 --> 01:13:24

encourages loyalty,

01:13:25 --> 01:13:28

is something Islam is all about. With that,

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we conclude this session.

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