Channel: Kamal El-Mekki
Basically, like I told you yesterday,
today, we want to look at ways of convincing ways of explaining concepts. So, I want to tell you exactly
a lot of times people like that workshop to be, where you give them a lot of information on how to
pop on what to say.
Mostly I don't like to teach like, I don't have to teach you what to say in every scenario, I'd like to give you the tools. And once you can formulate your own refutation in any scenario, because I can't,
I can't tell you every single scenario in Canada for the rest of your life. But what I can do is give you the tools by which you can fix and formulate your own responses to different new belief systems that you've that you've heard, that you encounter.
I was at the store yesterday, but there was a guy who worked with me from time
to nearby state, and
we did the Dow or just the regular temperature workshop. And in the end, he was kind of objecting to it, but in a polite way, he was telling me, I once went to a dental workshop by Dr. so and so and so. And he gave us a booklet that was this thick, and had every way to argue against this, and that and to refute Trinity and had this versus in this chapter, that chapter. Well, let me show you something.
This is from
It's from actually, I think it's probably the same page that's coming up. This is the Moodle course. And this is the page on Trinity.
That's how long it is.
And in the beginning of the course, I tell people to turn to that page next to the ones that short, because people would like to get lots of information in this verse of that verse, they say this verse, refute it with that person. And they try to refute you here, say this and say that. And the thing is that students is that if I do that, if I just go online and copy and paste all the known arguments against Trinity, and then paste it into the notes and give it to you, and you pay money to take this course. And then I'm really ripping you off.
So when we were going to discuss ways of refuting arguments, you know, ways of rebuttal, so on and so forth. And then you can apply them in different situations, or you can refute one, one argument through various different ways.
We're going to go through at least eight 910 different ways. So you can take any argument can refute it from using this system, using that system or using this stuff or using that stuff. So many different ways to do. And then I might ask you some questions towards the end of the day, have scenarios that you've never heard of, but you will be
ready and able to answer or refute why because now you have the tools. And you can put together your own argument.
Most people would like
most people would like that to be given hair. This is how you answer this. That's how you answer that.
And a lot of times you'll discover that the short way to answer the question without referring to Scripture this and that. You'll see that the trouble as we go. So
Everyone understand yesterday's.
Did everyone understand yesterday's
exercise? The last one we did? Yeah.
We can so the people who are worrying? How do I prove to them?
They don't believe in these sources.
So how do you prove that?
How can you convince them?
I mean, what would their argument be? Essentially, the argument would be that well over the years, Muslims have been fixing and taking out everything that would make it clear that it was impossible. Maybe
Why would a non Muslim not accept your sources and say, Look, we're going to analyze the teachings of Muhammad.
And his actions, you will have the teachings,
obviously, under the premise that he wrote it. So those are his teachings, right? Or either it's from Allah. And then the other thing we're going to analyze how is it?
So what why would the cover objective that say, well, these are your sources?
Give me more detail. Why would you object to
But if I'm sitting with a novelist who tells me Well, I've never heard of these sources before.
I'm saying, oh, and you have to have heard of everything in the world. What's the argument? What is there? Yes.
You're right. Would that be their argument?
That he didn't write it themselves? I wouldn't know it was written.
Check. Oh, check it. Okay. But I mean, you know, you when you argue argue, right?
It's ridiculous, right? Because I can, I can be totally illiterate. And it could just be me, and yet,
in the road, is write down what I said. I dictated half a page, the ad writes, right? Then three days later, I called Hamza Hamza, please read this back to me. And then you read it. There you go. I checked it. I'm illiterate. Come on. This is weird.
So okay, but why would they refuse to say, look, these are your sources? Because they're saying you could have manipulated them. Right? You could have taken out all the parts that prove you wasn't a genuine profitable. True. So how do you argue that?
Good, there's only one Hold on. We all know that right? Now, tell me and there's more than one argument here telling me how you can prove that to a customer. There's more, there's only one foot up? How do you prove them to them? So
the leader of the prayer?
Excellent. So you're saying that first of all, you don't
know anyone. Now? Yeah. 10 11 million people who are false worldwide. It's amazing.
People totally memorize the Book from beginning to end. So you can explain to the numbers in so many ways that this book is just one book. I mean, first of all, it's not anything that's like a miracle if it's one if it were more than one copy, we would know. Okay, so it's only one How do you know it's one because we don't know that a second or third is just one copy. So if there were three types of other versions, you think I wouldn't know it? I mean, you know this and I don't know this piece of information. So it's, it's a it's not a disputed fact. The third one
Okay, I know someone will put their hand up and say well, you know, this extreme we live in this part of this country have another version.
And we don't even consider them
I mean, I'm saying any group that has a different but we don't consider them to be part of Islam anyway. But so we know that one book hasn't been changed we know it's been memorized by people. We know that if you change one letter and your whole experience isn't our way the moment he makes a mistake.
How How is he correct
he used to waiting for just one person
and they all say again to get
everyone is so in a hurry to correct the amount it's so it's so detectable that if one word moves out of place, you know 11 million people will catch it and even people who will not fuss with catching you know, so there's so many ways you can prove to them the Quran has not changed one of the ways to people used to come to my house open up all kinds of slides, you know from with that same print, you know, like,
and then open big one small one one printed this year, or printed 10 years ago and finish Okay, I know you can read Arabic, but we're gonna we're gonna do this until you say enough. We're going to open the same page. You can't read the miracle of the Arabic numerals but it looks like a 24. Then there's this the same thing. Yes. can pick any dot little Dr. scratch on this page. They picked this one. Okay, let's find that in every single one.
Okay, next page, open the page, just random page all into that same page can pick any. And of course, the minute you do too is like, okay.
So it hasn't changed, not one dot has changed. And there are other ways to discuss how one of the dots moves out of place or why the markers, it throws off the entire sentence, it changes the meaning of the word, just like when example. Once, sometimes I would write the word judge a piece of paper twice, right? That's okay. Look at that word. Is it the same word? No, it can't be the same word, then it could have said, on the meme. It becomes what? Gentlemen, which means?
Yeah, but he has beautiful, he has something. So now from Campbell, we have a pronoun added, we have a verb, it's in the past tense all of that from this little marker here. So if I'm reading a sentence, instead of getting on the camera, he get off beautifully. Am I gonna catch that at what for sure. So the language won't allow the changes, and so on, and so forth. So this, these are the teachings. And if the book had changed in any way, within people, were allowed through each line throughout history to change and alter, and so on and so forth, then it will be so easy that it will be clear, because now we'll see, you will see the different political trends every time it will
change during this century, during this era will change during his dynasty to change. And we'll have probably more than one copy, because, you know, the fault, the mean, would have their copy that person will have their copy in the domain will have their it would be just like with the Bible now. I mean, they actually have a chart that traces how the Bible came to be, can you just see this, copy that copy this branch, that branch? So why would Why? How can you can trace your alterations of your book, and we just done it was totally oblivious to the fact that there was more than one
Okay. So, you know, what if someone argues that there are different translations of the same verses, of course, these are translations with the meanings, right. And the meanings can vary a little bit here and there. That's not really a problem. Because, you know, when it comes to, like,
basic beliefs, you don't find
things that are clear on you don't find some scholars saying this, or this and that about some of the very clear things. But they might be a little bit of a difference of what they thought This story happened in this story, or what was the incident related to the story, that that really doesn't affect the foreign being a book that's not changed? Still, it's still a book, it's one book, it hasn't been altered hasn't been changed or anything. Anyway. So that's how you show them this is your this is sort of these are the sources that you were going to use? What about Heidi,
it's all your work, what if people changed over the years, and
they moved, they moved away the part that he slept all night, and he prayed all night.
It's the same argument. And you can give them a quick rundown of how it was collected. And then there wasn't some joke, some Muslim thinking.
Whoever said something they wrote down and became a caddy to tell him how intricate in detail the system was. And so these are the sources that we're going to use the argument that will you using your sources, it's it's not a valid argument whatsoever. Anyone said that to you?
Let's Get Real. That's not how we do things anywhere in the world. At one time, some nonsense, tried to argue with me, it was a ridiculous argument. He said,
Well, these things are not in western books. So therefore, I don't believe that.
What kind of an argument is that? I spoke to my history professor about that. And he was saying, what kind of an argument is that? So for example, a lot of things that happened to Chinese history during the Chinese history books.
England had no clue what's going on in China. So why would you expect them to be in English, history books, same thing, the history of Africa. And I remember I was telling one guy, during the reign of
Avila that they couldn't find a single poor person to give this account money to in all of Africa, or Africa was under their control. So when they use this money to buy slaves and set them free, so not
because it's too much for him, because here we are talking about democracy, technology and freedom, all these things. Look at Africa.
You mean look at wealth in one part of the world and look it up. So, you know, they think they run the world and everything and they can't take care of Africa. And then the Muslims in our history, we took care of Africa.
Because it's not in your books and your services, you'll don't expect it to be in your sources. And tell me the aborigines didn't exist because, you know, in the 16th century, there was nothing about them about their history who is their leader? Right. So if you don't know them, they're not there.
When you discovered America, right?
No, it was there was not discovered. There. Were folks living there. Alright. Anyways,
we'll have some fun, or should we?
Some of the brothers
just mentioned their name.
coating, which I know from people like yourself and others, is that they are not sort of like they're basically not at all. So how do you tackle them at that point? That's not going to cut it? Well, they're basically completely fabricated.
But let's actually that's one of our questions. Remember, she asked him?
And you could feel free to mention that.
Like, you wouldn't mention as a group within the Sunni you wouldn't tell me you know,
that you would keep aside but yeah, yeah.
You know, how have you heard the history of the sects?
Don't play around with
anything. What did you get it? You listen to it? That's how it works. Yeah, anything?
You guys are aware of that. Right? You're not you are not really pursuing. That's it started with
All the respect everybody else.
I remember one time. You're messing with
these two young kids with more knowledge. When either
that guy goes missing the expert. They're both equal. I suddenly put you two heads together.
Somehow with you. You don't know where you're messing with Shockwave assuming people
were around. Series.
Were on when it comes to North America. All you got to do is
I don't know if I can stress that enough. So when his course come spend the night here. Don't come early.
I'm serious. This course comes to town. You spend the night here. I'm not kidding.
Spend the night in a row in the morning.
I know you think I'm exaggerating.
So where was we
Oh, yeah. So I was saying, Yeah, we want to have some fun. Brother said fun. Right. So
okay, let me just ask this question first.
Can we get
can we get two volunteers to be partners and come down here?
come on. Someone has one of the older brothers.
It's not gonna be that bad.
We'll have another microphone.
you're the you're the double team.
don't bring too close.
So you're gonna tell us, we're gonna, we're going to ask you one of these questions, and then you as a team, you could answer, right. So this is asking you, and I think I should have said, I should have warned you before what I'm just gonna do. But feel free to just answer any way you'd like. Okay?
I'll pick a nice one.
Okay, I'll give you a choice. That way. You can choose between Ice Age, or polygamy, or polygyny. And,
or how do we know which sect in Islam is the truth?
All right, great. But so and then you guys can feel free to if you have the difficult questions to throw in to their explanations. But so the first thing is, the non Muslim asked you, you know, what did you prophet
married a young girl?
Yeah. Are you married young girl?
That's not appropriate.
So, so what are
the messenger of
at a young age? And so how many years ago? Do you know how many years ago? That was?
1400 years ago? Okay. And what was the today's take, you know, the average male female up to about 70 or 8075 75?
And what do you think it was 40 years ago? Can you just answer my question? Yeah, I'm getting there.
They say for a simple question, you have a long answer.
Or a more complex answer. You give a simple answer. Okay.
So, so the age span, what do you think it was 1400 years ago?
It was about females used to live maybe about 4050. And people used to have about eight to 12 kids, just to just keep the life cycle going.
So I so now do you think a young girl back then look like a young girl today? With the exact same, you know, backpack went to school? And you know, maybe,
you know, a doll or a hand? Do you think that that's how a young girl looked back then?
But not only not, but would you marry a 10 year old today?
First of all, I believe she was she was nine years old.
Because like I said, a nine year old today is not the same as a nine year old. back then. Now, if you're against the act of,
of someone marrying a, you know, if you're saying throughout history, no one should marry someone that young, then you're pretty much dynamic 60% of humanity. Because that's because I can I can guarantee you that that women from from the time that they were seven, you can just look and take a look at history. And you know, prove me wrong.
What do you think?
years ago, at that time, it was a common practice. And another thing that we need to understand is that the marriage wasn't consummated. Right? As soon as they got married at that young age, was consummated. Later, the contract was just done at that time. Okay. Gonna start with
you. They're excellent. Very good. I actually stopped him there. Because they were doing a superb job. What's your name?
That's it and said, Mr.
Burson, he started off really, really excellent. I mean, it was really, really good. Superb, superb, superb. Because if you really pay attention, yeah, and if he didn't allow himself to be backed into the coin, there were some people if they stood here, and I just started to ask those simple questions, they would immediately start going backwards. He started, he didn't start answering immediately. He started asking, which was excellent. I mean, he's really saying what he was telling you that what the way you're looking at it is the correct way. So he started immediately talking about 1400 years ago, first started to say, How long ago was this? Do you know? You know, it's not
like a 10 year old with a backpack, play the Barbie dolls, and I mean, people not Pumbaa not only do they Okay, so back then I should also describe being physically, you know, larger cubes to mature.
Quickly. I mean, now, people don't mature sometimes at all.
And it's supanova.
You know, something, you know, you know, when we grew up, our parents were respectable people.
respectable guy. For me, my dad was a very big effect. And for me, that was an important part of growing up. And I never saw, I never grew up with my dad doing dumb things around the house. He never did dumb things around the house, he never jumped around and, and danced at parties or, or played video games are fun. And I always think that if my dad played video games in front of me, I would turn out worse.
Horrible if it turned out worse, because but now look at the new look at new generations, those of you who are dads play video games when your child is out
and do weird things in front of your kids. It's weird. So I know I'm not really but what I'm trying to say is that I wonder at I used to go get my hair cut and split for two years. I must have been in two years, right?
The these guys do have grown men who had children, multiple children. And every time I go get my hair cut, and they talk to each other. And every sentence begins and ends with dude, and it has dude in the middle. And they play video games. And that's all they talk about. They talk about sports or video games. Know what would you add to?
These are father's people. And they're so immature. And they still wonder when I first came to the States, I used to wonder how immature people were. So don't be in his 20s and mature, an incident you find a 13 year old girl, if her mother's traveling or away, she would cook and prepare the food for the entire house. And a real meal not just like, eat up some you know,
toasted Frost's or whatever it is, cook up real food, the house will be clean, and she will do her homework. And she has young kids to take care of them. And she's still a young girl didn't lose her childhood traumatizing all the garbage that they say now, just a normal thing that come here and people in their 20s in mature, I still listen to this show the you know that doctor on the radio. I don't know if you have her here. But Dr. Laura very famous. And people call it with their problems. And I remember when I first arrived from state to listen to the radio show. And in people some guy would call a pie doctor or
or something. And she said, How old are you? I'm 45. So people don't mature. So now what he was saying he said, Look, he started asking, you know how long ago this was, you know, he started describing girls with the backpack. It was excellent. You could have kept doing a great job. Both you said, man.
But I stopped because you were doing excellent. The whole point I want to see if you're going to back yourself into a corner or not, you know, and you weren't accepting this question of, you know, do you think it's okay, and and you just started apologizing and telling you magically turn her age into
18? You know, doing that now, right. And in the course of their arguments, they're maligning and attacking the scholars of Islam and saying you wouldn't rely but is this how we do it? We even attack our scholars just to bring the age magically to 18. And why just 18 by just doesn't have to match the famous legal age. And it's not really 18 everywhere in the States. You know, I don't know what it is here. 18? No, we still have some states where it's 14 until today. 1617 and the majority are 18. So who is to say that the way you look at something now is the right way. And this is what this is the problem. People always look at the way they believe and the way they live. Now. That's
the standard. The standard? No. Anyways, we're gonna come into that in more detail, but I just want to say how and I think you guys would suffer the opposite. You would not moving backwards and allowing yourself to be painted into a corner. We're going to come to maybe I should do it more, you know, in steps. Go ahead. Just a question. Same thing that they did.
By saying How's that?
I mean, yes, definitely can bring him back. Okay. Remember the rule is that, you know, your main talk is talking but what if someone has an issue that's really important that they need to know this issue, right. So then you address it, and then you come back, okay.
They didn't say
that. It was no
Very, very excellent. We're actually going to get Don't worry, we'll come back to these and, and look at the arguments for 85 shot 12345 like that. And then you can use any combination of them. Now, I want to do something about answering questions. And this is what I was so pleased with what
a lot of us think their job is to answer the non students questions. That's it. There's plenty of information, both people come up, and where do I go, you know, get my luggage?
Where do I go over, you know, my ticket over there. It's not what your job is. And so do not just answer questions and don't accept the premise of that question. So for example, let's take some examples.
Someone will ask you, why is it and this is actually here? And actually, this is the way I'm worded. But it was worded just like that, but from the brother who suggested in that majority.
Why would like to put their hand up and answer this question?
Why does a land need is to worship them anonymously, it comes to what is alemi distortion? This was the question that was asked yesterday, I
would like to put your hand up and answer the question. Why does the
young man in the back?
Oh, well, good, man. That's it. You don't need to finish. You see what he did?
He did it right. 100%. I don't care what it says after that sentence. He's right. He said, Allah doesn't need us who's about to say to worship Him? There you go. You fix the question first.
And then you explain, don't say, because then you started the woman.
No matter what you say, You're wrong. Because the non Muslim still walks away with a law needs us to worship Him. He doesn't fix the question first, don't just answer and answer someone else, you can create a four sided triangle.
Can you start to answer immediately? I don't waste time with a question like this. I won't answer that question. Unless you're an idiot, the minute you have four sides, it's a rectangle or a square.
What did you study? So first, you don't say that? Right?
Why would you start to answer a question like this? Where the owner was the rock, right?
Create? Or can God create a rock that is so huge, that no living thing can move it? And most Muslims? Yes.
And ask them, then, can garden?
Of course people say yes. That means he can create a robot that is so huge, that no living thing can move it because he can move it.
The problem is you put yourself in the wrong place to begin with, you know, don't start just answering questions. It's not your job to answer questions, the dial, you guide them to the truth. You're not just here to answer questions, and then they've got these little traps ready for you and you fall into the traps. So you know, and of course the answer The answer to this question, answer this question.
So as you can, can God create a rock that's so big that nothing can move it? No living thing can move this rock?
Yes, he can create that rock. And they asked him, can he move the rock?
If you say no, that's the problem. You see, yes, he can move it. That means he can't create a rock that no one can move because he can move it. It's just garbage. So then, and that, and this is what where do we benefit from this example of a benefit when they come and tell you? You know, if God wanted to do something, no stopping? No. Okay, then he could have had a son. Just stop arguing. You could have had a son who's gonna stop having a son. That's when you tell them with the rock with the sun. Allah azza wa jal only does things that fit his majesty. It allows him to get only those things that fit his majesty. And so that's why when the announcement comes to me and things like that, I'll
ask them Can God live? Can you steal? Can he murder? Of course they say no. Why not? Because he only does things that fit his majesty. So this you're talking about picking up rocks, moving rocks, all these are human characteristics that you're giving to Allah.
And Allah only does things that Buffett His Majesty. So don't ask me about four sided triangles. Don't ask me about all these things. These are all things that deal with human beings. And you're trying to give these human qualities to God.
You're asking these kinds of questions. So not only does thinks empathy is magic, and it doesn't visit his majesty, to have a son.
So don't just get into the business of answering questions. And I think I told you the story, during the power one conference about the guy who asked me, you know, why do Muslims grow their beards, right?
I told you that.
So, so basically, I mean, we're working at this company, a lot of Muslims and Islam said to me, when Muslims grow their beard, so again, you can answer Well, this is the way the profit or loss of them and the way of all the profits before him. But you know what, you shouldn't be asking me that question.
You shouldn't be asking me a question. So I'm not gonna answer that like that just immediately. So I said, Look, I understand why you're asking me that question. Why do I understand? Everybody shapes? Right? That's why I understand everybody's shapes. Are you asking me why I grow my beard. So I said, I understand why you're asking me that question given the environment in which we live. But the truth is, I don't grow it, it just comes out by itself.
Meaning I don't put manure in the morning, go and lay out in the sun
with some rain water on it, whatever it is, if it grows,
it just grows by itself. I told him not because naturally, when a male reaches puberty, he developed facial hair. And I told him right now, if you tell a child give a piece of paper, and say, draw the face of man, the face of a woman, the child will immediately add facial hair to the map, because males develop facial hair comes out by itself naturally. So it's, so it's actually the natural thing to let your hair grow. The unnatural thing is when you insist on removing every stubble of hair every morning, you know, and then cutting yourself and then putting the Cologne and it all burns just so you can look like that guy in the commercial.
he actually said to me, You know what? He said this.
I never thought of it like that. You should be asking me why I should say, Now, you don't have to accept what I'm telling you, you can just answer the question the way you want to ask if you can say, Well, our profit growth period, and he commanded us to grow our beard profits, and then it sets you apart from fraud, it sets you apart from the women and then use the commands and processes that would have said, that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that.
But I just don't want him to be thinking in his mind that the norm and the right is what he's doing. And I'm the one doing something that's that's, that's different. I should be asking you, you're the one doing something weird. All right. So anyway, so your job is not just to answer questions, but now in questions do arise, arguments do arise? What are certain ways that we can
refuse, refute? or explain away? So there are a number of ways.
One of the one of the ways, of course, you know, and you've probably all done this, and we did this yesterday with a question about the war. You know, most people die because of religion and most wars in the world, because religion, you can refute this, one of the ways you can refute it, as we did yesterday, using facts using statistics, right. And of course, you've all probably done this using science to prove something related to an act of worship, you've probably mentioned some scientific or physical benefits of
fasting, and so on and so forth. So one, you can use that you can use statistics, right? And everyone, everyone see how you can do that? Yeah, I'm confused about that. It's very clear, right? There was another example we can use a fact or statistic or something to prove something.
Like just now we did it with age advisors. I know, for a fact you know, you have been in some states 14 is a legal age to get married. Use the fact here with some kind of
That is not harmful. I mean, the argument that I like
this one of the time
is like drunk driving, like
10 people die per week. Okay. Did you guys know that that 10 people die away from drunk driving. What is just here? This is
us. Okay? So this is a fact.
When it comes to alcohol, control, the bad factors chosen the karma. There are good facts about
another person. Another example. Yes.
We're gonna have to help
by finding people that can
give using statistics and show that it makes sense
Oh man, that's disgusting.
30 years old.
The average video game is 30 years old.
Such a problem. grooming
blisters on the thumbs grown ministry.
Sorry, it's so good to the average age. In some places people lose their virginity is between 14 and 32. There you go.
Yes, that's average. So you can throw that.
1 million 1,000,500 people died in estimated World War 264 55 to as high as 65 million people. So that's a fact that you're using. Yes, sir. I just want to add to the brothers comment on the virginity thing. In the UK, according to statistics, out of every seven girls who are under the age of 15, before they graduate from the GCSE, which is like a high school,
three of them are actually pregnant.
Another fact here, look at this unbelievable choosing, we can
be totally that 82% of teenage mothers are themselves the daughters of teenage mothers.
That amazing 82% of teenage mothers are themselves the daughters of teenage mothers and Zina just keep going down the generations, you know. So all right, another thought on polygamy in the US.
Like 90% of
women actually live 10 years more than men. And there's like 25 million gays in
America anyways. So consider these statistics. So like, I heard that if every guy in
America there'd be 7.8 million.
So then you guys are gonna have to help them out.
You're protesting to.
Oh, really? Yeah.
Let's relocate brothers.
So can stop this movement.
But there is a loss of $4.5 million.
Anyways, okay, so everyone sees now
deliberate study says liver.
I thought that it actually destroys the liver, but it actually reduces the fat on your heart. Because one of the doctors in the US Actually, he said he's going to advertise on this mind, which was like a new product. And because of this fact, he destroys the liver. Okay. So one
question related to alcohol. Go ahead.
There are benefits.
so basically, when, when someone tells you, yeah, the study shows that alcohol reduces fat from your eyeballs and whatever it is.
No problem. No problem. I know that because the Quran actually said that there is good and there's bad in it. See, now now that realistically, it's talking about wine and there is not the good is actually not in the alcohol. It's talking about wine. It's and that studies with wine. Yeah, it's turnings with wine. So they're actually antioxidants in the wine not in the alcohol itself. And so they
Now, a lot of is that there's good and there's bad in it. But the bad outweighs the good surfer telling me like there's some good in it. I'm gonna ask you worldwide is it benefiting more livers are harming your livers? No doubt it's harming your livers. That's what a latos is that the bad in it outweighs the good. And then it destroys your wealth and then it takes away your dignity and your honor and you so many things. So we know that there is good stuff before your journal came up with this study. So we know but the bad outweighs. So that's not a problem. You know? So that's why, okay, someone else had their hand up about this. Yeah.
I will say,
okay, so Okay, so
you guys don't have
to get it.
And you know how to get followers.
The guy would get on a message an email list, and he would say, Can you believe it? There's this
much against having support groups, and they believe they can still be Muslim and gay. This is their link these people over the villa. That's what he This is their leader, this is he would send this email, and then everyone that message list would get it. And then the closet,
the closet gate brothers.
Click on that link and then join the support group. So anyways, but Okay, let me do this. Let me finish my Okay. Well, actually, since we're doing facts and statistics, by the way, science in the Quran falls under this category, right?
sides. Let's talk about it right now. It has a few issues with it. Okay. There's there are actually legitimate science books in the,
in the library, not written about Islam, with the idea of Islam in mind, just written about science, that have things contradicting to all the scientific facts that are in a brief Illustrated Guide to Understanding
everything from the mountains as pets to the plate tectonics, to the oceanography, many, many things contradictory to that. So the novel science is science. And
actually we're having a webinar tomorrow. So if you
listen to that, we're going to talk about that, and that not all science is science. So when you use science in the plan, be careful. All right, try to use very, very clear, strong things that cannot don't get you to too much dispute. Signing up for an is one of the tools you use to prove the veracity of the message or to prove it or on with the profit center. And it's not necessarily what will get people to becomes
a lot of God think that's what we'll get into becomes. There's this scientific fact.
And I remember one, one person was telling me this lawyer came in, she said, Okay, why should I become a minister? So he said, there is a lot of science, and she said,
I'm not going to become Muslim, because there's science in the Quran. What will this do for me?
So sometimes we use signs on the front to prove like we were doing yesterday, the president couldn't have written up for us, he had been a genuine prophet of a lot.
I never say never without, but I've yet to hear any story of some guy who became just because of the size. And you think that any human being wants to read, let's say that you give them a book that has all the signs in the Quran? When they're convinced, okay, this book must be from a lot. What do you think their next step is? Okay, let's see what it says about everything else. Let's see what it says about me and worshiping Allah and Allah themselves. So signing up, is one of the things you add on to your data or you supplement your data with it's not your doubt. It's not. It really is.
It's one of the things so facts statistics mean, excellent example. They don't give examples. So we all see how you can use facts to support your argument. And let's go into talking about
about gays. And we can use science again, in fact, so some people say that it's a gene, right. And many doctors and many people stay in medicine.
Come on Calgary. What's going on? That's weird. Strange.
So let's let's use so they told you that we'll look at this. Where should we start so many arguments against this one? Until you that, well, you know, God created me this way, or it's a gene. First of all, science has not proven that it's a gene. There is no scientific argument what so ever, ever, that it's a gene to? For sure. 100% there will never ever be any science to prove that it is a gene. Why? Because a lot of it isn't that
will in the lie a little bit fascia.
Allah does not command evil yet. Why would God create someone with a gene that makes him gay? And then take him to the Hellfire for the way He created him? Does that sound fair to you? Never fall in love with Russia doesn't command evil. Philip commit created him with the evil genie in him. That means ls command to get to that evil and then punishes him for the way he made him. Does it make sense? So that's why science will never ever prove that. It's another reason scientifically, word sides will never prove that it's a gene. Because
how many chromosomes are the human being have
pairs, so 46, right. So now with identical twins,
identical twins have the same exact chromosomes. They've done studies where identical twins One of them was straight, and the other was
straight, the other was gay. And so they have the exact identical identical genes or chromosomes. Yet one is gay one ostrich. So that means it can't be a gene, you understand this right? And you know, by the way that they can see the human chromosomes, they can actually see them. And so you can see both are exactly the same. And yet one is getting one, the other is not, which means that it's something mental. And that's why they're actually clinics now where people go, and they go through therapy, and then they come out headrow, and they get married and have children and they never return to the Wiccan deal again, you see. So that means the fact that you can be cured from it shows
you that it's an illness to begin with. And it's actually a mental illness, if you want to look up there is a doctor's name Joseph, Nicolosi, like an IC, o, l. o, si. Yeah, look him up. It's amazing. He has a clinic, and it's quite popular, people go in to get treatment, and they come up normal. And he traces you know, homosexuality to be alienation from from males or females. And for males in the earlier part of life, and for male peers in the better part of life. And he traces it to a psycho psychology, you know, it's not a gene did not treat people in a way and then punish them for being the way he created them. It doesn't make any sense. So And beyond that, they've never located this
gene. I mean, how many genes are in the human one human being? They look at them, and they can't see the gauging, where is it hiding? So
there are some logical arguments against, you know, logical arguments. I mean, have you read the argument that it's available in the animal kingdom?
First of all, I'm still in doubt of that. I've never go ahead.
those arguments that said that animal kingdom, it was either that the animal like the animal proof, or the group, but he said that somebody published a paper on that, and it was, like medical journals. But later on, it was proven that all the research was faulty, and they didn't know what went over that research as well. But also, another argument against animal kingdom. One is let's say there are animals.
There is a animal that exhibits homosexual behavior. That's one animal in the entire Animal Kingdom. And also there are animals that eat their eat their young.
Those are the exact ones.
Yeah, he looks forget one animal that our characters have heard of a million zebras or ohms.
Since when on earth is the animal kingdom, a god guide and a model for us. It was a million homeless zebras that
animals eat other animals we should we should eat other other people, you know, animals goat, you know, when you go to the zoo and animal.
You know, it's
now that we are what since one or animals role models for us. I don't care what they do that I mean, there has never been any study. That is
Proving that but suppose all mammals on earth were gay. So first of all, that would all be dead within 30 years, no animals would exist. So just logically, no species can continue with that, you know. So and I'm sorry, we're gonna cut it off with it with a argument here. But of course, you can look it up. Every argument has already been done. You don't need to reinvent the wheel. But I just want to tell you the story of
you know what a gaydar is,
you know, your ability to detect.
very, very weak gaydar.
anyone have a strong
manga brother, he doesn't have to go beyond this to
get a very strong data. For me. We're getting down in the street, and I'm talking to this guy. And I keep talking to him. Going over the basics. Makes sense. Makes sense. I go for the gold keys, and I can't, my lifestyle won't allow it. assurance. Can I keep talking to him? Yeah. Then I go for the gold again.
No, no, don't worry about it. That's not and then again, I go for the gold mine lifestyle won't allow it. I said what lifestyle? Yeah, I said, Look, I've been doing this for years. I've been talking to people. I've never heard somebody say lifestyle. What What is your lifestyle? I said, I'm gay.
Only after he said that? Did I suddenly realized that the guy is wearing a pink t shirt. And he's also got that gay sleeve. It's not like here, and it's not cut. It's like this.
Only then I start to notice that and how he's standing and how his bones are loose.
So, so then, you know, there was a second.
And then, and then you know what, what do you do?
What do you do?
What do you do after that? Yes, sir.
Uh huh. Okay, no, good. Now, you know what? He kept saying my lifestyle. You know, the truth is, it's not a lifestyle. It's not. It's just a desire
to accept the argument that it's a lifestyle, it's a desire. And it's one it's a desert lifestyle. You don't ask?
What isn't hetero?
hetero is not, it's not just a desire.
The people ask me
I desire sushi. I like sushi. But it's not a lifestyle. It's one of the desired lifestyle. They're putting too much. They're giving it too much. This thing is just a dirty design. And it's not don't make it a lifestyle. And they've, but in a way, in a weird way, they are a little smarter when it comes to becoming known. They've made it a right. See. And so that they have the gear rights movement. And because in the States, at least people are so attached to people getting their rights. And everyone wants everyone to have a right. There's so much everything. People think everything is a right. And it's not sometimes, but it's my right to do this. And it's actually not your right to
do it. But so the gay movement has become a rights movement. And that's why now they get support for it. And they get all kinds of things. While it was actually known to be a mental illness since as early as 1938 has been diagnosed as a mental illness. And
as early as Freud, and the DSM, which is this manual that psychologists put out every year, and it has many psychologists in the audience.
Okay, okay, good. So the DSM Yeah, it's used here, right? So it used to list all the mental mental illnesses every year, homosexuality was listed as a mental illness until it was removed in the, in the like, late 60s, or in that era, right. 80s that was the 70s Come on. You sure?
Uh huh. Ha. So okay, so the sister thing was removed in the 80s. You know, because of it because of political pressure. And so that's why so many people now don't know that it's actually a mental illness because they were forced to take it out of the book, but it actually is an illness. So they made it to the right but it's not just a mental illness, people can get help with that. And also so my thing now is someone says, you know, you can get help with that.
But until you go to therapy, I want you to always bring the front row.
England it has come to a point like where this gap stores like gap.
State like with actually quality gate and
And if you look at the managers like the people who are actually managing the shows, they really have this really very, very pro gap.
So that's using facts using statistics.
This is concerning the same topic.
And that's why we have another system here another rule, which, basically I say one plus one equals two, that's the rule, one plus one equals two. That's how people learn anything, when you start learning math, learn one plus one equals two. That's the first mathematical equation, right? Then you can go to C squared equals a squared plus b squared. No one ever starts their child like that. No, you always start like this. And so that's why as the sister was saying, you can refer everything back to Allah as a widget, when I understand my relationship with Allah, the rights of a lot upon me, and I can understand all the big and small things as well. Because one time someone born Muslim
came to me, he said, and this someone born as a Muslim, but obviously, nothing to do with this now, in practice, so he comes to me said, Look, what's over care if I have or not. And if I pick, you know, ham from the menu, what is it like here? Shouldn't he just care if I killed someone if I murder if I steal?
See, with no knowledge, you can see why he's thinking of it like that. Why is the luck here? If I go to the menu, before, it was such a simple process, instead of number three, give me a number four, I get an idea, then I'll be honest with the rest of the day, won't murder or kill anybody. I care about these things. So then you one plus one equals two. He can get it because there's some things they don't know here. So then you start to explain to them Yes, picking number four is a simple process, all you have to say is give me a number for you. Pay 299. That's it. But it comes under disobeying Allah zillion. And that's the big deal. That's why the early Muslims used to say, Do not
look at how small the sin is. But look at the greatness of the one you're sinning against. Yeah, that's the big deal. So if a lot of people get and so you have to obey, the Muslim is the one who submits to Allah.
And so when you submit a lessons go, right, you go right, to go left, you go, let's do this, you do it, don't do it, you stay away from it. That's the bigger picture, because it falls under this greater umbrella. Not the fact that it's such an easy physical process. And we give analogies not which is another doubt, you give analogies and helps explain. So we're doing one plus one equals two, and we're looking at analogies as well. So you tell them look, if if now let's say you're you're at work, and the boss doesn't want you to answer the phone, he says, okay, don't answer that phone, and the phone rings, and you look him in the eye, and you pick up the phone. Now, what's the
big deal? I mean, he was a very, it's not like I went from here to Taiwan, something is just I picked up one part of my body move no less than two feet. And I said, oh, what's the big deal, you can argue mechanically was a simple process. But you disobeyed your boss or
his creation, but it fell into a virgin umbrella. That's where you got in trouble, even though if the action is so simple, or if you want to use it, the chauffeur the big shots in the back of the limo, and he tells him Jeeves maker, right? Use mixer left, you can make a very simple argument, instead of mechanically turning this way. I turned mechanically, but it was just the other way. What's the big deal? Big deal is you disobey your boss, or maybe you just kept driving, you will get fired. Not because of mechanically simple, or it didn't take too long. That's not what it's about. It's about this event. That's why, again, and again, we come back to it, we talk about a lot we
talked about, he talked about submitting to allies. And then people can understand when Allah says, you know, do not come near Xena, or Don't come near alcohol, or you know, don't eat pork, or don't do this, or don't do that, or don't be gay. All of these things. Now they make sense. That's why it's so important for you to explain to people that one plus one equals two first before you move on to algebra, and more complicated things. Anytime you get stuck. Someone's asked me Well, what about the pin? Why not? And why this and why not? Wait? It's a lot easier who says, do it or don't do it and your job is to is to do it, and of course are at the mercy of Allah. He still lets us understand
why we're doing and the wisdom behind why to do something or not to do so.
So, you we discussed them using facts, statistics or signs, we discussed that you can explain so many things through explaining first, that its use of meaning to a larger yet or that if you're the Muslim, a lot of you do something, you have to do it. Sometimes someone will come and say, you know, I believe in I believe that I'm ready to become a stripper. But I don't want to pray five times a day. I'll keep drinking alcohol, I'll keep seeing my girlfriend or what have you drink, or whatever. But I'll just do the other things. See what the problem is here. The problem is, this person doesn't want to submit, or he wants to make up his own room, or he wants to be his own ala makeup. So and
we've done this to people in the street, they say, Look, I'll do this, I'll do that. I said, Listen, you want to do it your way. And that's not what a Muslim is. The Muslim is on who submits to what Allah says, Allah subhanaw
taala facilement Kapha. Enter into totality to Islam 100%, not 98 even not even 90 900%. So you tell, look, you know, who's the Guardian, and who's the follower. And you want to accept to stand on your own terms. And you want to obey Allah on your own terms in the light
out of shame. So one plus one equals two it makes your life so much easier, explained to Allah so do submit to Allah to do the disobedience is sin. Don't look at it as in worldly light. It was sin. I just moved from here to there, or I just ordered this. I said the simple phrase. No, it's about you disobeying Allah and His greatness. So one plus one equals two.
Okay, now, we said while we were talking, we said analogies right? Oh, let me do one more. Sometimes also. Okay, let me someone tells you how becomes ordinances. I can't become Muslim because I love pork too much. You have no clue how many times have you heard this argument? Someone is ready. The five pillars everything we got. There we go for the golden though. Why not? I love pork chops. This guy told me I love pork chops too much. Another guy told me I could never become Muslim. Why? I like a cold beer after dinner.
Now, how would you? There's no wrong way. How would you refute? like pork chops?
For the chickens quote for ham.
So you're telling them eat like imitation ham?
Okay, there's anything like imitation pork chops.
All right. Yeah.
Getting hardcore here. Talking about the pain of hell. Excellent.
and that if I can predict that a little bit,
but you're not the it's your right. That's your last resort. Just don't give up that quickly. But that is your last resort. Okay, anything else? You all right, by the way. It's not that I'm looking for something specific. Remember what we said? There are many ways you can refute one argument many ways you can convince a person Why don't you go to my
brother's taking a cooking competition. Yeah. Okay, so you're gonna earn seven out of pork chops. Okay.
If you haven't tried Vianney?
Okay, you're right. Just a few things before that. That's the last resort.
Sorry, sorry, sisters. Can you hear? Oh, man, I'm so sorry. always feel free to put your hands up and tell me if I don't look at you can throw something in this direction.
I apologize. I'll start repeating what they're saying first, sorry. Maybe you can
remind him of being a Muslim.
Okay, good. So the brothers saying can remind you the purpose of why you're a Muslim submitting. If you're not doing that you're not really submitting. Other brothers said you know, we'll tell them you can do it. For now. You become Muslim now and just slowly slowly make the army stop the pork chop. What other arguments that we have one repeater for the sister.
The brother said you know I'll have alternatives and I'll cook some laptops for you. Forget pork chops. What else sister
And then two brothers said that and the only thing I said is that that's true that when colosse you cannot
convince them anymore, then you say that, but let's just try a little bit more your sister.
And then if they say we'll stop, and what?
If you get a disease that the port will make you sick if you need to stop eating. So then she says, you can stop them.
And you have the ability to stop
the matter now have the will he have the ability? Yes, sir. You had something earlier?
Uh huh. How long is the pleasure lot? Okay, lasts about an hour and a half. But I repeat it tomorrow.
But it's good. You're right. You're right.
okay, good. But Jimmy. All right. Very good. Everybody. Let me just add these two, these are all excellent. I'm going to add one more. Okay. Again, I'm not saying this is just one more style riverway that we just use a lot. Because it just, it's easy. And it worked very well. We shamed them out of it.
We shamed them out of it. So just about a huge percentage of those who said, Look, I would actually become some right now. It's just that love of work too much. Huge percent of them became Muslim, right after we set this machine out of it. Say, look. So you know, I haven't tried to tell you exactly what we talked about. Someone says, You know, I love pork chops. Okay, so you're telling me that with all the good, lots of good has done for you in this world, with all the blessings that He has given you? And he's, he's giving you your eyesight? Can you put a price on that and say, No, you know, intelligence, your family, your loved ones, your help, no. So then all the good things that
Allah has done for you, and he's provided for you and pushed away on from you. On top of that he has provided for you so many blessings, so many different kinds of food from the seed that you can eat so many different kinds of plants and vegetables, so many different flavors of spices, the different kinds of meat that you can eat, from cows, from sheep, to candles, to what have you, to chicken to asperges, to emus, and so many kinds of things that you can eat. And then the human body in the human being can go on with no food for up to 40, from anywhere from 30 to 40 days with nothing to eat whatsoever, up to three days with nothing to drink whatsoever. And you're telling me with all
the things and the blessing the things that allows me possible available alternatives for you on Earth, not willing to give up one kind of meat, after Allah commanded you and all the good has been doing Free for life, they just look at the ground. Of course I can, of course.
So I'm not saying you work every time remember, we're saying but it has worked for us tremendously.
Unless it has done all this for you, and it's still gonna keep doing it for you. And you tell me for and there's so much other things to eat. And sometimes, you know, people get stuck in the jungle and they live off worms and maggots and I don't know what and you told me you have to eat pork, you don't have to eat it. You don't have to have the cold beer after after dinner. So excellent. Every technique that was used here was great. They all work equal level. And whatever one you like to use that. And it's not like we always just use the shamed amount of it technique. Sometimes we use the other techniques, always trying different things. And sometimes the shamy out of it won't work on
this guy has no shame. You try some other thing. Now while we're on the topic, to talk about an winter break coming up
in just a little bit, maybe we'll take a quick break.
While we're on the topic of pork
what's what's the reason that we can eat pork? What's the reason we can report gang Mass
it's not good for you.
That's the reason and that's not that's the reason.
That's the reason for
it. That's the reason. Now, the other things are wisdoms behind why it's how
the health all that other stuff is the wisdoms behind why
Because if the reason you don't eat pork, this is the reason why it's hot off, because it's bad for dirt. Right? That means if I get a pig, and I named the fig Wilbert, and we'll eat just cookies and ice cream. And he's always washed every 10 minutes, we bathe.
And then we slaughter. And we will.
We said the reason was a third. So this was a clean one, that means we can eat it. So that means the reason isn't because they're they're dirty. The reason is that
some of the wisdoms are Yes, the trigger notices the fat content and all the other stuff, and it's a filthy animal that now it's a it's a carnivore, and it's also promiscuous.
And, by the way, that's one of the main wisdom scholars to early scrolls used to mention why
they say it's a promiscuous animal, and basically argue that you are what you eat. And I know you might be going, that was a long time ago. It's not exceptionally very scientific, as a Muslim doctor, as a PhD food science, and he can sum up 23 years of work in the field in one sentence. He said, it's just like computers, garbage in, garbage out. He says you are what you eat. You are what you eat. And it's very, very true. You are what you eat. And so some scars used to argue the pig is very promiscuous animal, I mean, nasty excuse. And they said that if you eat it, that trade would come over to you. And who can argue I mean, you've seen countries where people eat pork, very
promiscuous. And so there's some truth to that. So anyways, so there's a difference. That's why someone tells you knows the reason you were hit up.
So okay, well, it's because you know, the woman should be productive. What if you're in a village where all the men are chained up, you can take off.
They're chained up in the street, they can see you, but you're protected from them because they're chained up, take over, you know, the reason is Allah commanded you. Some of the wisdoms protected to the woman doesn't become an object.
And you can do all the other things anyways.
But like I said, you know, all the arguments have been, it's all been done.
the so that you can shame people out of an argument, you give them facts and statistics about it, you can link it back to their submission to their obedience. So
you can use analogies or give comparisons to the denier who can give us some examples when you give an analogy or comparison to something.
Hmm, I like that. It's a very good question.
Not that there's necessarily a right or wrong answer. But I'm just going to see a show of hands, who would rather say, we believe that Allah commanded us or we believe that
we should teach things we should say we believe, put your hands up. Okay, so about 456-789-1011 12.
All right. Now, who thinks you say no, Allah says we should do this.
So I know you guys just want to a writer can go both ways. It could possibly go both ways. I'm going to argue that
the second way is stronger.
stronger. It's not, you know. But again, I'm not necessarily writing. That's just what I feel isn't science. So
sometimes, the way we present Islam is that we're just sharing our faith with you.
And I went live depends on what it is, if it's, if it's a straight tower, trying to give them data, then I would use it the more direct one. if, let's say it's just some kind of class and they just give you two minutes to say something you would hear now you might say, well, they're talking about Muslims, you might say we believe this as Muslims. But if I'm giving someone doubt, I want him to feel that this is just me sharing what we those people believe. I want to let him know that this is what's obligatory upon you as well. So a lot of humanity to do this unlucky method mankind to follow the profit center. And, and not that we believe that we should or you should do this, this and that.
So for the purposes of Darwin, it's good to let them have that included in the state. No, because they're also up
Look at this one, you can see that the cursor will be in, the longer they live, it's worth worse for them everyday. They didn't pray, they're going to be asked about every day. They didn't pray, every Ramadan, that they didn't fast they'll be asked about so. So it's actually upon them that obligation. So you want to make them feel that they're obligated as well. This is when you're giving them what you make. This is for you and for me. No.
There's no hesitation. That's fine. Yeah, that's fine. Absolutely. And that's why I said, you know, you could use either one. But I'm just trying to add another element of including that person in this commandment or in the obligation, make them feel obligated as well. But so with the analogy with using the dunya as a comparison or analogy, how would you do that?
So Okay, here we go.
So for example, number three.
remember the guy who said,
we're talking about training, right? So we talked about Trinity, and this guy says that, I asked him
to make it very clear that Okay, so now you understand that there are three Gods but they're one. Yeah, even though they're physically separate to the one plus one plus one equals one. Okay, now, one of them died for three days, during this period. One plus one equals, and he swallowed. And he said, one, because it's embarrassing. So now to
let me see if I understand this correctly, one plus one plus one equals one. And then one plus one also equals one. He said, Yes.
So then he got a stroke of genius.
And one, times one times one equals one.
So I mean, I was so shocked when he first said this was what we multiply. That's another way in which the Quidditch are equal.
So now, this, there's no logic whatsoever here. That doesn't make any sense. So one of the ways to get people to see things logically, is the point that we're on right now, make comparisons to the dunia which is really an analogy, right? You're you're making a comparison analogy. But you were using the studio because
people can become very, very logical. But then when it comes to the dean, they lose that logic again. So here, I said, Okay, now if I put three bottles of water on the table,
how would you? How would you give me the sum there, you're gonna say, one times one times one equals one bottle of water. Because if that's the way you think I want to borrow $300 from you, I'll give you one.
You can multiply that against 50 times I don't care. So the reality is, when you give comparisons to the union, suddenly people become logical to tell them okay, we both were on the table. And if I take one away, you have to, so don't tell me, you know, one time one time one, now we bring him back to logic. For example, someone says, I don't believe in organized religion, or, you know, let me get this one for. But yeah, someone tells you that there are as many ways to God as there are souls on Earth. Okay, what if I told you, there are as many ways your houses you can imagine any way you want to get to your house, you want to drive through a one way street, go ahead and pass the lake, go at
people's front yards, just drive just your home is that way, just hit the gas and go in that direction. You want to accept that, because everything has to be organized, and even events, whatever it is you do is disorganized, you don't like it. So once that you want your way to God to be any way that you want. This guy will do it through that and through doing this after worship, and they'll invent things, and it'll get you there. So you get in comparisons to the dungeon. And that's why number three, they're evil. So the evil majority darkness, like sometimes someone will ask you and let's do this and you can answer using any technique you like, someone asks you
Why do why does Allah allow evil on earth?
Or why does why to good things or why do bad things happen to good pizza?
Sounds good. What is that? What is a bad thing happened to a good person. So now you can how many ways you want to add to this
Okay, good. So now let's do this. Just so we're very clear on this point, we're having one question while
taking notes write down, why do bad things happen to good people? That's the question. And then I want you to list all the different ways and techniques that you can respond to this question, just so you can get an idea of how it's one question, but I can apply it any one of these methods to answer it. So the first one, so why do bad things happen to good people? Number one, my brother said that I was testing people. So it's a test for the test. It's a test for those people. And it's a test also for other people, will they react? Will they assist? Will they help? And will they, you know, become unified all of that. So there's another one.
Okay, so then you link it to the, to make their elevate their rank in the After all, it will explain from their sins in this dunya and move them forward in the afternoon. That's another way of explaining. Yes, sir. This is bad according to you. Doesn't have to be bad, according to.
So now you're using you're looking at the infinite wisdom of Allah azza wa jal, something happens to you now. And it seems like a bad thing. And years later, you see that it's a good thing. I'm sure everyone in this room can think of something like that. It was bad at that time, but later on, it was good. Yes, sir. That was three.
You should have the same number of years of misery as you do with happiness. Okay.
That was a bit too much.
But okay, so then, so he talks about how it makes everything makes life fair, it makes life balance that if, you know, let the argument if you didn't experience the bad and wouldn't really enjoy the good as much so you can use that as number four. Yes, sir.
Oh, I like you saying, What if? What if nothing bad happened to anybody? So now he's responding by asking and getting them to think about the question. That's another technique now. Very good. or similar to that another technique that we're going to come to and I'm just going to mention here, using the flip side of the argument, the flip side of the argument, flip the argument around. Yes, sir.
So if you are trying to get
by, oh, sorry, sisters, can you hear? So sorry? So he said, you know, enlightened brothers. Let's do this. Also. Raise your voice is okay. For a lot. Okay. Try to remember that so sisters can hear us. So he's saying that in life, you know, whatever you want, you have to go through tests and training. You want to degree you go through the difficulty. So what technique is he using? analogies making comparison to the dunya? Excellent. Someone else had their hand up over here? Yes.
Go ahead. Go ahead.
Okay, possibly a punishment. Yeah. What can we just compare our difficulties with the difficulties of the pious people before us? Uh huh. Okay, so all right. So saying, you know, that worse could have happened system, but
now getting into the details of it, let's define good people. Let's define good people. Yes.
You understand that just to say, who said the good news is she has to be the one that happens. And it happens is there Okay, sorry, I'm gonna ask someone to give us the flip side of the argument, use that technique. Now, the flip side of that argument, there are many ways you can flip this argument around, flip it back on, get some to think when you flip it and think about their their their question again, flip it.
Why do you?
Why do you
reverse the words? Good. Things happen to
the bad things happen to good people. So the reverse would be why do
good things happen to bad people from stand up? That's the flip side, keep flipping. We're still on flipping it only only flipping it.
You don't have to flip the wording. We took the idea
to bad people.
Bad things happen to good people. Okay. So why wouldn't you say why not? Yeah, they ask why?
Why is it good?
we're defining words again.
Okay. It's like it's kind of like the earlier argument might be bad now, but it's actually on the long term. Very good. Free. All right. Let me add one more to that. One of the ways we Okay, sister.
So you trying to say that?
Now, let me let me ask you this. Sorry.
There's, there's one more thing. And again, flipping the argument around, wanting to think about their question, because, I mean, I don't accept that kind of question. Why did bad things happen to good people? So I usually when someone asked me that question, and I'm not saying again, I don't want you to misunderstand what I'm doing here. I just want to share a technique with you. I'm not saying that. Okay, you guys are done.
I'm gonna show you how
I'm saying, right? I'm just sharing the technique with you, I let you speak. And then I'm not saying this is the cherry on top. Now.
So what I'm trying to say is, when someone asked me that question, I usually say, and this just because it's easier for me, I usually asked him, How much intervention do you want?
How much intervention Do you want in this world, you don't want their argument. They don't want bad things to happen to good people. So there, I tell them what a good man he's up on his, his son, you know, to Sunday, his family, children are playing in the garden, he's working on the ceiling on the roof, shingles or whatever. And then he's up on this high ladder, the ladder starts to slowly tip, and he's going to smash him to the hard concrete floor in front of his family. He's a good person, by your definition, whatever definition is good, whatever he's gonna fall, how much intervention do you want? You don't want bad things to happen to good people? So what do you want to happen? So the
big king size mattress shows up underneath the gun. And posturepedic you not just
Sleep Number bed? And the softest number? No. So how much intervention Do you want a good person who's walking down the aisle in the grocery store and he slips on the water. He's about to smash and break his bond on the hard floor. Suddenly, there's a big feather pillow underneath, or there's a mudslide and one of the villages now and all the children shouldn't be injured because they're good kids. And so their parents 100,000 of them die in the mudslide. But all the children when the rescuers come, they're like, you know, 200,000 children sitting with the mother just staring wide, right? And they're sitting there, because nothing bad happened to the parents died. And now we need
to find homes for all of them. So, so how much intervention do you want?
And there's also by the way, about evil on Earth. There is also another analogy, now with the
and with, with how allies have created, you know, created human beings and given free will.
There's the freewill thing. Sometimes people choose to do bad things to other people, and then becomes a bad thing. But they have been given freewill by luck. That's one thing. Another thing is that also that a lot of humanity's and he taught us how, how the good comes, but we choose to leave the gods of Allah. Evil occurs. And that's the analogy with the jar, you know. So like right now, this transparent bottle here in the room that's lit like this. If I give it to you, while the room is still lit, can you get it back to me with darkness inside it? No, why not?
Dark brother says darkness is the absence of light, that darkness doesn't occur in a novel by itself. It only occurs as a result of the lack of something else. There's no light, we get darkness. So someone tell me if God is good, why did he create evil? So listen, a lot of times, he created good and he showed us the way to good when we choose to not follow the light of a law or the guidance of Allah, we get evil. And that's why there's one time someone said, I don't understand. I said, Look, I give you a jar, can you give it back to me full of dark or darkness? He said no.
Actually, he didn't say that. He said
he made regatta. So when people don't follow the light of a lot, and they murder and they steal, and they like evil occurs in the world, he forced the evil on people or make them do evil. And so again, the system analogy, it's a way of clearing the times when people and again I'm not saying it's the best way but sometimes people ask me, you know, why is there so much evil on earth that God is good, and so on.
He wants good first login history will he taught us the right way? And that's almost like a jar. And if you don't want to use the jar, you can use code. No code doesn't really exist.
I'm sure us Canadians know this code doesn't exist by itself. It only happens when something else is not there, which is heat or energy. When there's no heat, and there's no energy you get cold. And that's why there's something called absolute zero, right? physics people.
Scientists, absolute zero is how many degrees? Celsius?
70 416. Kevin? Okay, good.
But so that's absolute zero, because we can't get colder than that. Why not? Because that's the that's the time when there is zero energy, zero heat. So heat cold only occurs when there is no key. So you can use these analogies to explain things to people. So and that's why, you know, get to think about any way that we mentioned, I don't know how many of you mentioned like, 678 ways of answering that question. So pick the one that you like, or pick the one that's for you. That's the easiest and fastest way to get the point across as really.
Okay, but I think it's probably time to what time is it? Oh, wow. We went through to lunch, right? Lunch is 130 or one. Okay, so we take a 10 minute break and then do 15 minutes to lunch. All right. So take a 10 minute break and follow from moment to moment.