Akram Nadwi – Muslims and Moon-sighting – Navigating Scholarly Differences

Akram Nadwi
AI: Summary © The importance of seeing the moon is emphasized in Islam, as it is the only time during which one can be seen eating. Representatives of Islam emphasize the importance of following proper knowledge and tools for determining the beginning and end of the month, as well as following the rules to avoid confusion and mistakes. Consent is emphasized, and leaders should follow the rules to achieve unity. A meeting among various groups is suggested, and everyone should follow the rules to avoid confusion and mistakes.
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So Insha Allah, in this class today I

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am going to teach you

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the importance of sighting the crescent, the moon

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to determine the beginning of,

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month of Ramadan and also how important it

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is

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for other month

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of Islamic

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Alibada.

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So this is what we have to then

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we have to discuss

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that what are the opinions of the jurists.

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Aymah, Ima Wuhanifa, Malik Shafaiyah

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Khanbal,

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and other people about sighting the moon.

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How

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they used to determine

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what the moon sighting means.

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Then we're also going to discuss

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that

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can we rely in the moon sighting,

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you know, on the scientific evidence,

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you know, on the astronomy.

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Can we,

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rely on that or how can we benefit

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from that and how much we can benefit.

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Similarly, we have to also learn really is

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moon sighting really a religious matter

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or it is secular matter?

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You know, it is really something, you know,

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for a part of the religion or it

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is something secular.

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And, also I'm going to discuss,

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that how important is

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the unity

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among the believers.

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What is the difference between those Ibadah,

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Ibadah which are personal,

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you know, for every individual

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and those Ibadad which are collective, they should

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be done collectively.

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What difference is it and how we

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approach to both of them. That Insha'Allah

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I'll make effort to

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explain to you. So the first thing Alhamdulillah

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is that we people are coming nearer to

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the month of Ramadan.

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Nearly 10 10 days when we are going

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to start

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this,

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month of the barakah and the blessing.

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And Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala has mentioned in

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the Quran that Allah has made fasting obligatory

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obligatory for a purpose

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And that is Laa Allahkum Tathakoon.

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To that in Islam actually everything has got

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a Hikma,

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wisdom. The reason behind everything.

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Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala

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is his commander,

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he is also hakeem,

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wise. He never commands his slaves something

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which is going to harm them or it

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is going to be difficult for them. Always

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he commands things which are beneficial for them

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and going to be easier for them. That

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actually is his way always have been. And

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every single thing other, for his commands,

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we find

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wisdom. So he has no interest to make

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us people

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to,

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remain hungry

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for so many hours.

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The reason he made fasting obligatory

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to benefit us

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to the certain benefits that we get from

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the fasting and that why he had made

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the fasting obligatory.

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And the important thing that he mentions is

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So the fasting is not that to make

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people hungry and because when they're hungry

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then they, you know, they break their

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desire and this and that. Like, you know,

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many people have been saying like, ma'am Bala'i

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rahumullah

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said that, you know, fasting is to train

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people to become hungry. So when you are

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more hungry,

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you are better in to achieve

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the,

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goal of the fasting.

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So he had made the fasting, 3 types

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of fasting. Fasting of the Awan people, common

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people, lay people and the fasting of the

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Hawas, special people and the fasting of Ahasul

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Hawas.

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And Ahasul Khawas are the people who only

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eat in the morning.

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They don't eat in the

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sunset

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time, maybe they just drink water, but they

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don't eat.

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So the reason is because they are thinking

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is, the fasting is that when people are

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hungry

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they become nearer to Allah Subhana Wa Ta'la.

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Though

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hunger is important

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and eating less is always important in the

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Sharia, but this is not the purpose because

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you can see their Hadith at the where

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he said,

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My people will

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be on the good path

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as they delay the Sukhbun

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and they do the breaking the fast as

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quickly as possible.

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So if it is the Parapad would have

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been,

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to make people hungry,

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then he should have said that my people

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will be good if they delay the breaking

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the fast and they make the Suhoor early.

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But no. He didn't say that. He is

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saying that, you know, as Ma'ajalu

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al Fitra,

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if they make the breaking fast

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as quickly as possible. So that is very

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important to understand really that fasting is not

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to make you to suffer from hunger.

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You know in Muslim countries all over the

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world, in the month of Ramadan,

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Muslims always eat more

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and they eat a better quality.

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Always. Since that time the prophet

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if the Prophet had been to keep people

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hungry

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then Muslims would actually eat less in Ramadan.

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But nobody eat less actually. Even the Prophet

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you know used to make arrangements for iftar

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and for Sahoor,

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invite the people and actually their hadith of

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the Prophet not so strong

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that before Ramadan the prophet would give a

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speech

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and in which he said,

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month of Ramadan is the month in which

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the provision of the believer increased.

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If Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala increase our

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our our provision in the month of Ramadan,

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Why?

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Does it mean that he wants us to

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wait for Shawwal to eat it?

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No. For Ramadan.

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So it is very important to understand that

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the purpose really is not

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that you make you hungry. That's not never

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a purpose. The so what is the purpose?

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The purpose

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is the purpose is that, people get taqwa

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and taqwa has 3 parts. 1st first one

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is fear of Allah, second thing is muraqabah,

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that you see Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala and

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the third is not to disobey him.

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You know to obedience properly.

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That what Ramban is, it trains people how

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to obey Allah Subha'ala.

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That is the proper Taqwa, to attend the

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Taqwa.

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That's why you can see

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people even if they are alone they don't

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eat.

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You know, if I am alone in my

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kitchen, nobody sees. I'm not going to eat

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anything. Why? Because I see Allah. The believers

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even if they are alone, nobody sees it,

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still they don't eat. Why? Because of Taqwa.

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So Ramadan makes them muttaqih,

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pious. They attend Taqwa. It is very important

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really to keep Allah in the mind, to

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fear Him and to attend the Taqwa and

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to obey Him and to avoid this obedience.

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That is actually,

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you know, when Quran benefits you. Allah SWT

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said,

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in the Quran has come to guide the

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people who have taqwa.

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To always keep in mind really that in

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all ways whether we are alone in the

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presence of the people we always have Allah

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with us.

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To with that what we learn Ramadan.

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So obey him

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and avoid the sin as much as possible

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seeing Allah Subhautahu Ta'ala.

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Now what happening in all over the Muslim

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world, I've seen really in this UK more

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than 30 years, when Ramadan comes

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one

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discussion starts starts and that is about moon

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sighting.

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People differ, they spend so much time, they

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waste their time

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and they make, you know, the starting of

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Ramadan in 2 days, you know, in some

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mosque this day, some mosque next day. Something

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may be happening this year or even. Sometime

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I've seen him actually, they have got 3

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days

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for beginning of Ramadan

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and 3 days for Eid.

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And sometime,

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in UK, in the same mosque, same masjid,

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2 Eid and 2, days for Ramadan.

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And sometimes people said to me in the

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same houses, because some people believe in this

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opinion, some people in the same house they

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have 2 different Eid.

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To think really, is it piety? Is it

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really fear of Allah? Has Ramadan come to

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make us to fear Allah and to achieve

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a goal or Ramadan has come to divide

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us?

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What we have been seeing really is Ramadan

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has come to divide the believers. That what

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actually happening to young generation people grow in

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the family. What they learn is oh, now

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we can't agree. They go to the mosque.

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Then when they go to the school, they

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want one day a far Eid. So some

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children will say this day, some say the

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other day, to even the schools are confused.

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Can't we think really?

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Is it this purpose of Ramadan to divide

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the believers?

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And when they divided,

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they never

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Then they backbite, they fight,

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they argue. Even the mosque, they argument, shout,

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and everybody prefer with other people and they

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make other people less important. That will happen.

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And people write against each other. I've seen

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people writing very inserting each other, making grouping.

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It's all taqwa.

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You know, first thing we should understand is

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why we fast, then don't fast. You know,

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if we are fasting for the sake of

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Allah and

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to get taqwa, closeness, then to Allah then

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we should be scared.

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We should not backbite. We should not do

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anything which can divide the believers and create

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all the problems. Then Ramadan is not a

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barakah. You know, the prophet has called Ramadan

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at the Barakah, you know, month of Barakah.

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How can he Barakah if the month of

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Ramadan actually comes to divide the believers and

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create so many divisions in Muslim society.

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So let's make very clear that we have

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to respect the month of Ramadan

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and to have to believe really what Allah

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said. He had made the month of Ramadan,

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you know, guide us

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for all the people.

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When Ramadan comes, Muslims should improve themselves.

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Muslims should become

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nearer to Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala. Muslims should

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be more united.

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You know there should be less division. You

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know that what Barakah for Ramadan will be.

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So the first thing is that don't make

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Ramadan

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you know, cause of division.

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Don't make Ramadan cause of difference and disunion.

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No. Get the Barakah of Ramadan, you know,

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united, Muslims eat together,

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they pray together,

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they fast together,

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then they celebrate or eat together, then they

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embrace each other, they meet each other. It

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should be like unity. People should everybody all

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the nations should say that where Muslims will

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differ, but when Ramadan comes they are united.

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But not really. People see that when Ramadan

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comes we are disunited.

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Another thing really is what is moon? Crescent.

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Crescent is created by Allah Subhautahu wa'ta'ala.

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And Ramadan

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is in fasting, Ramadan is command of Allah.

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Command of Allah is more important than his

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creation. When Allah commands something, they should be

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more respected.

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Moon should not be able to divide the

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believers.

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Believers should determine what is moon, what moon

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society because they want to, obey their load.

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How can moon divide you? And you

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are a believer in Ibrahim

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When Ibrahim

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looked at

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the stars, moon and sun, what he said?

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I don't love those who disappear.

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Those who sit. Now those who sit, they

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divide us, they are distracted from Allah?

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Muslims should leave Moon and Sun and Star

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to Allah SWT.

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Now Moon comes and distract us from Allah.

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Moon becomes more important than Allah's command.

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Moon and sun are Allah's signs.

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They are not more important than Allah if

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Allah SWT wants that. Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala

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said in Namar minu I Khutun, believers are

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brothers.

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So that should be more important than anything

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else. Any moon, any sun, anything

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we divide the believer, we should turn away

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from that. We should know. We are Salas

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of Allah, we want unity, we want to

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obey Him. He wants us to be 1

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nation, we will remain 1 nation. Moon should

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never be able to divide the believers. So,

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you know, keep that in mind that that

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Nivrahi for example said,

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Now let's understand exactly what exactly moon is

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what moon why moon sighting is important

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and why in why we differ really and

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why Islam is clear that we should not

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differ

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and why in the past Muslims were not

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different really. In the past they used to

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do the same regardless of all the Muzadda

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in school. You know, the people in Kufa,

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you know, they never had Abu Hanifa al

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Qadhi. Abu Hanifa never had a Qadhi.

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Abu Hanifa

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has his own opinion, differ from the rulers

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of Kufa, but he never did either Ramadan

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different from the people. His opinion is there,

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but he already made his opinion

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to surrender to the opinion of the Amir

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and the ruler

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because

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he wanted unity. So that I'll come to

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Insha'Allah. But the first thing is, let's understand

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what Hilal is. There's a verse of the

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Quran,

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They ask you about the Hilals.

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To hill a hilllatun is jamaf. Hilal

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means crescent.

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Many people think

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that they ask the question

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that why the sun, moon decreases and increases,

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why disappears,

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what is behind that? They ask about Hilal.

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Why what is the nature of the Crescent

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is. And Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala did not

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want to waste their time till He answered

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them something more beneficial

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and He says,

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Tell them that crescent are

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timing for the people and timing for the

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Hajj. So that's correct really.

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Did people ask about the crescent, the nature

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of the crescent

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when the sun, moon increase or decrease?

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This is really what they ask? No. If

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you read the Surajur Baqarah where the questions

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coming, first thing is these questions are not

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from unbelievers.

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The questions are from believers.

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Believers have no interest really

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to ask the prophet

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why the moon increases or decreases.

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No. Their only interest is about the akham,

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rulings of Allah SWANTAWA, the Hakam of Allah

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SWANTAWA

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What they are asking is,

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They ask you the rulings about the chalice.

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Like in the Quran

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they ask about the Kalala. And then Allah

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Subhanahu Wa Ta Meshed, what they're asking?

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Muslims had no interest to ask why the

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moon increases or decreases because that had nothing

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to do with the prophet. It is a

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scientific question. They were not interested. The question

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is that, they're asking about the, you know,

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timing of, you know, that based on the

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crescent, they're asking about the Ashul Hurom, the

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month in which fighting is forbidden, that's what

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they're asking. So, yes,

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they ask. And then Allah

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said, I have made the quiescent

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at the timing for the people.

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So how it is timing?

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Month of

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in general in the past, it tried to

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all the nations.

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You know, months were

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determined

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by the moon.

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You know? Then some people made up by

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the, you know, solar calendar and the sun

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decal. They want to fix the timing, but

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that actually made up by the people later

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on. Generally, in the past,

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every calendar was based on the moon. Even

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actually in English word month, if you look

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it is coming from moon not coming from

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sun. The month actually is from moon. So

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it always used to be based on the

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moon but somehow people made on the sun

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and

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more, you know, calculation.

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So the Quran, when Quran mentions about the

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month, it means mentioning

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about the lunar calendar. The month which is

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based on,

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on the moon.

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The month that is based on the moon

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is always either 29

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days or 30 days.

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And the prophet has said that

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to 29 days. Then it's Asharuhaqada,

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wahaqada, wahaqada, wahaqada, wahaqada, 30 days. So the

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prophet said

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a month will be

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29 days or 30 days. It can't be

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less than 29 days and it cannot be

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more than 30 days. You know, these are

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the 2 days

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to generally, most time, okay, the month is

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29 days. Some months will be 30 days.

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That's why he started with the 29 days.

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When

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the month of, you know,

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based on the moon starts,

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it is when the people see side the

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crescent.

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So that's the beginning.

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Then by the end of the month, you

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know, hyphen

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2 days or something more or less

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when the moon disappears.

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Disappearing of the moon basically means

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that

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moon becomes completely

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between the,

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Earth and between the sun.

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So the part of the moon which is

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towards the Earth

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like

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we see, on that part there's no shining

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of any no reflection of the sun. Sun

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does not reflect on any part of the

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moon which we face.

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So that's why we can't see it. To

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that happens

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at the end of the month. When the

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moon becomes completely

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between the earth and between the sun.

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And the sunlight does not appear on any

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part of the moon that we face.

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That is called in Arabic language, mohawk.

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Mohawk. So Mohawk means

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the end of

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the month

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where moon cannot

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be sighted.

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It disappears

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completely.

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Between the earth

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and between the sun, you know, if moon

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is there,

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and no single part of moon is reflected

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by the sun. Sun does not get anywhere

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any light

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from moon does not get any light from

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the sun.

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Today it is mohawk, that time.

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When the sun when the moon

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basically moves

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for a mohawk,

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a small part of moon becomes reflected

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by the sunlight

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which we see,

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means when

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that part of the moon, which is seen

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faced by the people of the earth,

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That part of the moon, part of it

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get a reflection

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from the sun.

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That is what is called actually in the

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astronomy,

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that is called birth of the moon, that

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the moon has been born.

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We call it.

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Birth of the moon is

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as soon as the

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you know,

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there can there can be any part of

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the

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moon

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reflected

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by the sun.

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But some it is so tiny,

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generally, people or the Earth

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cannot see that tiny moon. Because the reflection

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comes from the sun on a very very

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small part of the moon,

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and the people of the earth are unable

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to see it.

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Then reflection grows.

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So reflection can be this this birth of

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the moon can happen in the daytime,

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can happen in the nighttime, it can happen

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anytime.

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If it happened during the day daytime,

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there's no way anybody can see it.

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Even in the night actually because it's so

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tiny.

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When people are able to see

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the moon after it is born, when they're

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really more likely to see. So

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we don't really have a very exact timing.

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But in some countries,

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people

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think that, you know, it's impossible

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to see the present,

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you know, until the moon is

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16 hour old

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or maybe like that. 16 hour old or

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something or less than that of people who

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are different in this matter, then you can

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see. The meaning basically is

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that,

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you know, like,

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if the,

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moon is born on the 28th morning,

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20th of Shaban, father of Shaban is coming.

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On the 20th morning, it is born. Then

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on 29th

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evening,

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soon

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moon can be seen in many many parts.

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Because then it becomes 16 hour old, 18

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hour old, 20 hour old, it can be

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seen. So is it clear to everybody? Today,

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the birth of the moon,

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that is a different matter. Birth of the

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moon does not mean sighting of the moon.

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Sighting of the moon actually is something different.

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What we call helal.

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Helal basically is different. That is

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possibility sighting of the moon

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of the crescent.

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That is actually.

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You can say.

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So sighting of the crescent is different from

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the birth of the moon.

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The month used to start in the time

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of the prophet

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before that or after that

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by sighting the moon,

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not by the birth of the moon.

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So that we have to understand properly

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that how the moon was sighted.

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It was sighted after being born.

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Nobody could sight crescent

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before the moon is born. And nobody actually

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even can sight

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when moon is

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very very small like 6 year old, 6

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hour old,

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7 hour old, 8 hour old, people cannot

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see it. You know, generally, people see it

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if there it is really 16 hour old.

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Generally, the whole world will see, you know,

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this crescent in same day. Sometime the first

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can be one day, sometime, not all the

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time. Generally, it could be same day, but

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sometime can be one day.

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This is clearly what we have to understand.

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We have to understand 3 different words.

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1 is Mohawk.

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Mohawk basically means

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that

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Moon has completely disappeared.

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Moon is between the Earth and between the

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sun, and no single part of the moon

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is reflected by the sun

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to the people of the Earth. That's Muhak.

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Birth of the moon means when a tiny

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part of the moon

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is being reflected by the sun.

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It is so tiny it cannot be seen.

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It needs a little, you know, reflection. The

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sun grows and grows. So generally people think

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once it is 16 hour, moon is 16

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hour old or maybe more than that,

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then when moon is,

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could be sited.

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That we call Ru'itul Hilal sighting of the

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crescent.

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The prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam that what he

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said really. He did not say until the

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moon is born. In this time people did

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not know even the birth of the moon

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anyway.

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What Arab people knew is actually,

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the sighting. They knew Muhak. Muhak means when

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the moon disappeared. That way you can see

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in Arabic language

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even mohawk can be used for

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the birth of the moon.

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Arab people, when the moon is born, still

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to them is mohawk

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Because they

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until they are able to see the moon,

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they don't want to call it a ruya.

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They they only know 2 things, mohak or

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ruya to halal. This thing is astronomical

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thing. It's from astronomy. Nothing to do with

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Arab people.

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Common people in any society with Arab, non

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Arab society,

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they only know 2 things.

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What they know know is Mohawk,

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when they can't see the moon.

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And then second part is when they can

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see the moon. So basically, even the birth

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of the moon,

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that is

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part of Mohawk,

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part of this this this phase. This is

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not this.

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When they see, then they have got a

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noon. That they call it Hilal.

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To Hilal, to them a clear sense, high

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penis, to Hilal, all those things. That what

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they could see.

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So the prophet has said in many many

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hadith in Muwatta, in Bukhari, in Muslim

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that Hadith has come from many companions.

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The most famous Hadith is Faram Adulah ibn

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Umar That

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Hadith is in the most books of the

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hadith you know and very very many many

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Sinad

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that hadith become widespread all over the world

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from so many chants of narration. If you

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want to see them you can see all

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of that in the in Sahih Muslim

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in the beginning of,

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Kitabu song that you can see.

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Don't fast

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until you see the crescent.

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Means this part, this thing. He's not saying

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about the birth of the moon. The prophet

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is saying that you are don't fast until

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you side the crescent.

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That what people knew. People don't know this

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part.

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Birth of the moon is not known to

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the people.

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What is known to the people is mohawk

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when they can't see the kerosene

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and what is no to them after that

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is ruya to hilal,

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the sighting of the crescent.

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That's where the month starts.

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So the prophet

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said, don't fast

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until you see the crescent.

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And don't start fasting

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until you see the crescent. Meaning,

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you know,

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don't start the month of Shawwal

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or

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until you see the crescent.

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To between seeing the crescent of Ramadan

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and seeing the crescent of Shawwal,

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either it will be 29 days or 30

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days. Is it clear? To the prophet

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don't start the month until you see the

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crescent

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and don't make a 'id until you see

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crescent.

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Okay? But you can say sometimes it is

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really cloudy on 29th.

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Oh, it is, you know, so much dust

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sometime in the horizon. How you can see?

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So he said,

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very easy.

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If it is if you can't see the

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crescent because it is cloudy

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or dusty or something like that, Faqadurullahhu

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then estimate.

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To what means estimate?

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It has come in another version of the

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same hadith by Muhammad

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where the prophet

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says

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29 days.

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Don't fast until you see the crescent.

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To see, he always says, see. He does

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not say until the moon is born, until

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you see the crescent.

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If it is it looks cloudy

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and on 29th,

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you cannot see the it could be there.

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It could be visible, but because the cloud,

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we can't see. To what is solution? Solution

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is complete 30

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days. Very easy. So the prophet said if

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you see

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then 20 you know that's right 29

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days. If you can't see make up till

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30 days.

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Sometimes it is actually very clear still you

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cannot see. So you know month could be

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29 days or 30 days. In another hadith

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the prophet has said

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that

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We are Ummah, Ummi. Ummi means we don't

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know reading or writing.

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As a nation, we are Ummatun

00:28:08 --> 00:28:08

Ummiya.

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Why the prophet says we are Ummatun Ummiya?

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Because there were people of the book, Uhalo

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Kitab. Today, no, there are people of the

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book, Uhalo Kitab.

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And there are Arabs who are Ummatul Umiyyah.

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Ahlukitaab

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are the people who got a book, a

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scripture from heaven.

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So they read it and they write. It

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does not mean everybody from Ahluk Itab knows

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reading and writing. That is their title.

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That how they are called Ahluk Itab.

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Arab people generally,

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they did not read and write because they

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did not have the book, you know. But

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some Arabs did write and read. It's not

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that everybody

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Reading and writing are very much mentioned in

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Arabic.

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Even the Quran is mentioned, and there are

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so many, you know,

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metaphor

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used for

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Arab people know reading and writing, but either

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nation, they're They

00:29:02 --> 00:29:04

are they don't read and they don't write.

00:29:04 --> 00:29:05

That's why the Prophet

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has been called An Nabi yur Ummi.

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It means An Nabi which has been raised

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among the people who do not know reading

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or writing,

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and he himself does not know reading or

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writing. Umi does not mean Jahil. Jahil is

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different. Jahil is ignorant.

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Umi can be learned.

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Like, you know, like blind people.

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A blind person could be a Halim scholar,

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learned person, but he does not know reading

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and writing.

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Somebody who does not know reading or writing

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still can be learned.

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To like there are many many olema, they

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are blind like Qata'adim de Uma Sadusi,

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you know,

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expert of the hadith,

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tafsir,

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fiqh, history.

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Ummi does not know. There are also many

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other people do not know reading or writing,

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but they still actually,

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you know,

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learned people. To Omi does not mean somebody,

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not Omi is not a defect.

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Being Omi is not an 'aib, is not

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a defect. So the prophet

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being Omi does not mean we are insulting

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him or hurting him. No. It is just

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acknowledging

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that he did not know reading or writing.

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Baidu alim is the best alim. He said,

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ana aala mukumbillah.

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Among all of you, I am the one

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who knows Allah the most. To the prophet,

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salallahu alayhi wa sallam, the best alayhi. Still,

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he did not know reading and writing. So

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reading and writing are a means to the

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knowledge.

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They are not the knowledge themselves. They are

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very important for the knowledge, but people can

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be can attain the knowledge without them. Anyway,

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to Arab people did not mean that they

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are not learned. They had learned, many of

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them learned, but they did not have this

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quality of reading or writing.

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When you have no reading or writing to

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develop

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develop many skills, to like for the past

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to know me, to look in the star

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and all those things, they depend actually on

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the reading and writing and all those things.

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So the prophet said we are umatul umiyyah.

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You know, we don't know.

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We don't write and we don't calculate.

00:31:04 --> 00:31:06

It's not over there. So what we do

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really, we just know the month. He said,

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the month. Then second time,

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we say,

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Then the second time he said,

00:31:20 --> 00:31:21

The Prophet also

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said,

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Nobody should fast one day before Ramadan.

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To that, there are actually many hadith where

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the prophet does not allow people

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to fast before the month of Ramadan even

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one day. Because otherwise what will happen is

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people will think, oh, maybe we don't know

00:31:41 --> 00:31:43

really till the beginning of Ramadan or not.

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Lest be cautious and start one day before.

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Then one day people add to the Ramadan.

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He does not want. He wants Allah the

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Father to be complete.

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No day should be added

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and no day should be taken out. That

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by the day in which people are doubtful

00:31:59 --> 00:32:00

fasting in that day, the Maghru.

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The meaning is, the prophet used

00:32:04 --> 00:32:06

to enter into the month of Ramadan

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with

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knowledge.

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When he knows it is a month, he

00:32:10 --> 00:32:13

will start, not just on guessing. He never

00:32:13 --> 00:32:16

started the month on guess. Month always starts

00:32:16 --> 00:32:18

with proper knowledge. What Allah has given him.

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That you know, going outside, sighting the wickiressant,

00:32:22 --> 00:32:22

if he

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sights,

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he does not sight completely 30 days or

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if he is cloudy completely 30 days. So

00:32:28 --> 00:32:30

the prophet said Allah also follow the knowledge.

00:32:30 --> 00:32:33

That's what Allah has done. For every Aybada

00:32:33 --> 00:32:35

and for every hukmah of Allah, you know,

00:32:35 --> 00:32:37

it must be we must follow the knowledge.

00:32:38 --> 00:32:40

There's no way that you follow the guess.

00:32:41 --> 00:32:42

Guessing, estimating

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that is not part

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of the arena of Allah subhana wa ta'ala.

00:32:46 --> 00:32:49

Allah has commanded the believers to follow the

00:32:49 --> 00:32:50

proper knowledge. Similarly,

00:32:50 --> 00:32:53

all the hadith, we only follow the hadith

00:32:53 --> 00:32:56

which is knowledge, which no really more likely

00:32:56 --> 00:32:57

saying at the prophet

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If hadith is da'if,

00:32:59 --> 00:33:02

we don't follow, we get a guessing. It

00:33:02 --> 00:33:04

could be hadith or the prophet, it could

00:33:04 --> 00:33:06

not be. We have to follow the knowledge.

00:33:06 --> 00:33:08

It is very important to understand really. Allah

00:33:08 --> 00:33:11

did not command the believers to follow anything

00:33:11 --> 00:33:14

other than proper knowledge. And proper knowledge has

00:33:14 --> 00:33:16

got its own tool, means when you can

00:33:16 --> 00:33:18

determine really what the knowledge is.

00:33:20 --> 00:33:21

That what the jurists

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have been

00:33:24 --> 00:33:26

agreeing on this matter. How they used to

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determine really when the month

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starts.

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Or the jurists say the month starts like

00:33:31 --> 00:33:34

that. That when you are 29th,

00:33:34 --> 00:33:36

people come and see the crescent.

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If they see, month has started.

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If they don't see, then they have to

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complete 30 days. That

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all the Juris

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and all the Sahaba, and all the Ta'vin,

00:33:50 --> 00:33:53

everybody had been saying that you start the

00:33:53 --> 00:33:55

month with sighting the crescent. If you see

00:33:55 --> 00:33:57

it, you start the month. If you don't

00:33:57 --> 00:33:58

see, the complete

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30 days. That's what they have been saying.

00:34:01 --> 00:34:03

But sometimes what happens when it's cloudy,

00:34:04 --> 00:34:06

many people cannot see. The opinion

00:34:07 --> 00:34:08

is

00:34:08 --> 00:34:11

that if the sky is open, very clear,

00:34:12 --> 00:34:13

then it should be

00:34:13 --> 00:34:16

seeing of big number of the people, not

00:34:16 --> 00:34:18

one person. Because, you know,

00:34:19 --> 00:34:20

why only one person will see if it's

00:34:20 --> 00:34:21

open.

00:34:21 --> 00:34:23

So when sun is clear

00:34:23 --> 00:34:25

with no cloud,

00:34:25 --> 00:34:26

no dust,

00:34:26 --> 00:34:29

then a clear center must be seen by

00:34:29 --> 00:34:31

a big number of the people who cannot

00:34:31 --> 00:34:32

agree on a lie.

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Means people understand really it's not lie.

00:34:36 --> 00:34:38

If the sun if the sky is, you

00:34:38 --> 00:34:39

know, cloudy

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or dusty,

00:34:40 --> 00:34:42

then a Kaat wa Hanifa

00:34:43 --> 00:34:45

sighting of the month of Ramadan

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will

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be accepted

00:34:48 --> 00:34:49

by 1 person.

00:34:50 --> 00:34:53

If one person says I've seen the crescent

00:34:53 --> 00:34:56

and he does not lie, he's the honest

00:34:56 --> 00:34:58

person in the society, or he could be

00:34:58 --> 00:35:00

a woman or or man or woman or

00:35:00 --> 00:35:03

anybody who has seen a reliable trustworthy

00:35:04 --> 00:35:06

then the month will start with the witness

00:35:06 --> 00:35:07

of 1 person.

00:35:07 --> 00:35:08

So in this case,

00:35:09 --> 00:35:11

the witness of 1 person with a man

00:35:11 --> 00:35:13

or woman both are equal

00:35:14 --> 00:35:16

in the beginning of determining the beginning of

00:35:16 --> 00:35:17

the month of Ramadan.

00:35:17 --> 00:35:19

Though for the ending of the month of

00:35:19 --> 00:35:22

Ramadan, they don't accept one person's witness. They

00:35:22 --> 00:35:24

was, want to because it basically end of

00:35:24 --> 00:35:27

Ramadan. So you can't start the stop fasting

00:35:27 --> 00:35:28

unless

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much more clear. So the fact that they

00:35:30 --> 00:35:32

make 2 people to witness.

00:35:32 --> 00:35:35

Is it clear? So let me make again,

00:35:35 --> 00:35:36

so if 29th

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Ramadan,

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what you need to do is

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that,

00:35:41 --> 00:35:44

people come in the big crowd and they

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start sighting the crescent.

00:35:45 --> 00:35:47

And if they see, that's fine. If they

00:35:47 --> 00:35:50

don't see, then complete 30 days. And if

00:35:50 --> 00:35:51

it's cloudy,

00:35:51 --> 00:35:52

then

00:35:52 --> 00:35:54

sighting of the crescent by one person

00:35:55 --> 00:35:56

can be enough.

00:35:57 --> 00:35:59

Now we are coming real that how things

00:35:59 --> 00:36:01

have been practiced by the time of the

00:36:01 --> 00:36:01

prophet

00:36:02 --> 00:36:05

later on. Now that one question comes,

00:36:06 --> 00:36:08

is sighting of the crescent

00:36:08 --> 00:36:10

by people of a city

00:36:11 --> 00:36:13

is enough for other cities?

00:36:14 --> 00:36:15

So there are people who say that, you

00:36:15 --> 00:36:17

know, we must go for Iktilafur

00:36:18 --> 00:36:18

Maqaliam.

00:36:19 --> 00:36:20

Deaths think

00:36:21 --> 00:36:22

that basically

00:36:23 --> 00:36:25

it could be possible that moon is sighted

00:36:25 --> 00:36:26

in one place

00:36:26 --> 00:36:28

but not in the other place.

00:36:29 --> 00:36:30

So every locality

00:36:30 --> 00:36:32

should have its own moon sighting.

00:36:33 --> 00:36:34

You know, there are some places

00:36:34 --> 00:36:37

when material is same. You know, if moon

00:36:37 --> 00:36:37

happen

00:36:38 --> 00:36:40

in, you know, in Atar of Emirates, it

00:36:40 --> 00:36:42

must be also in Qatar, you know, these

00:36:42 --> 00:36:43

type very very close.

00:36:43 --> 00:36:45

But if it is very very far away,

00:36:45 --> 00:36:46

then difference happens.

00:36:48 --> 00:36:49

To what Iftalaqirmataleh

00:36:49 --> 00:36:50

is another

00:36:50 --> 00:36:51

matter. But actually,

00:36:53 --> 00:36:55

the opinions of the people of the Madahi,

00:36:55 --> 00:36:56

Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi, Humbali,

00:36:57 --> 00:36:59

has so much difference really. People cannot know

00:36:59 --> 00:37:01

whether they are considered

00:37:01 --> 00:37:02

the mataliya or not.

00:37:03 --> 00:37:04

But,

00:37:04 --> 00:37:05

Asher Taherb na

00:37:06 --> 00:37:08

Ashur. And many people think really that originally

00:37:08 --> 00:37:11

Abu Hanifa and Malik and Sharjah and Humble,

00:37:11 --> 00:37:13

they did not consider Iqbalah from Matalah.

00:37:14 --> 00:37:16

Their opinion has been if moon is sighted

00:37:16 --> 00:37:17

in one place

00:37:18 --> 00:37:21

and their new information reaches to other place,

00:37:21 --> 00:37:23

they must follow it.

00:37:24 --> 00:37:26

To follow the police, if in Saudi Arabia,

00:37:26 --> 00:37:27

moon has been sighted

00:37:28 --> 00:37:29

and it has been,

00:37:30 --> 00:37:32

accepted by the jurist and Foqaha,

00:37:32 --> 00:37:34

then all the people all over the world,

00:37:35 --> 00:37:37

they must accept it. That is the opening

00:37:37 --> 00:37:40

of Abu Hanifa, Malik Shafi'i, a number, according

00:37:40 --> 00:37:41

to many people. That's what they say.

00:37:43 --> 00:37:44

The noachtlaha from Allah. Sighting of 1 place

00:37:44 --> 00:37:46

will be sighting of all the places.

00:37:47 --> 00:37:49

Is it correct everybody? Do I measure to

00:37:49 --> 00:37:52

2 opinions? One opinion is ikhtalaafurmata'ala

00:37:53 --> 00:37:53

is

00:37:54 --> 00:37:55

considered.

00:37:55 --> 00:37:58

Meaning is that if people cite the crescent

00:37:58 --> 00:37:59

in one locality,

00:37:59 --> 00:38:02

it is not necessary that crescent will be

00:38:02 --> 00:38:04

cited in other locality.

00:38:04 --> 00:38:07

So people are not bound to follow that.

00:38:07 --> 00:38:10

So like Farapur in Pakistan, very often, people

00:38:10 --> 00:38:11

cite the crescent in Peshawar.

00:38:13 --> 00:38:15

The people of Peshawar cite, is it obligatory

00:38:15 --> 00:38:16

on the people of Karachi

00:38:17 --> 00:38:19

upon jab to follow it? To a kind

00:38:19 --> 00:38:21

to disappear, no. It is not obligatory because

00:38:21 --> 00:38:24

it could be 2 different matala. Difference can

00:38:24 --> 00:38:26

happen in in the world. So that one

00:38:26 --> 00:38:29

opinion. 2nd opinion, no. If Talafur Matala is

00:38:29 --> 00:38:30

not considered.

00:38:30 --> 00:38:31

If people of,

00:38:32 --> 00:38:35

any locality decide the moon and the Fokaha

00:38:35 --> 00:38:37

and Mufti of that region,

00:38:38 --> 00:38:38

they accept

00:38:39 --> 00:38:42

it, then wherever the news goes, it becomes

00:38:42 --> 00:38:44

obligatory on the believers all over the world

00:38:44 --> 00:38:45

to accept

00:38:45 --> 00:38:48

it. It's all same thing. So the 2

00:38:48 --> 00:38:51

opinions. A third opinion in Hanafi Madhub, and

00:38:51 --> 00:38:53

that opinion is the one I follow really.

00:38:53 --> 00:38:56

A third opinion is in Hanafi Madha that

00:38:56 --> 00:38:58

if the moon is sited somewhere,

00:39:00 --> 00:39:02

then all those cities and population

00:39:03 --> 00:39:05

which are west of their city,

00:39:05 --> 00:39:07

they must accept,

00:39:07 --> 00:39:08

not the east.

00:39:09 --> 00:39:10

Why?

00:39:10 --> 00:39:11

Because

00:39:12 --> 00:39:13

moon becomes more visible

00:39:14 --> 00:39:15

when it grows.

00:39:16 --> 00:39:19

So if, you know, when the sun was

00:39:19 --> 00:39:22

setting in Saudi Arabia and the moon was

00:39:22 --> 00:39:24

16 hour old 16 hour old undecided

00:39:25 --> 00:39:26

it,

00:39:27 --> 00:39:29

So by the time the sun sun sets

00:39:29 --> 00:39:29

in England,

00:39:31 --> 00:39:33

it will be because the difference of 3

00:39:33 --> 00:39:35

hours, it will be 19 hour old.

00:39:36 --> 00:39:38

So people in England more likely will see.

00:39:38 --> 00:39:40

And by the time the sun sets in

00:39:40 --> 00:39:43

America, it will be more than 25 hours

00:39:43 --> 00:39:46

or maybe even more than that. Today, more

00:39:46 --> 00:39:48

likely we'll see. So the third opinion is

00:39:48 --> 00:39:50

if moon has been sighted

00:39:51 --> 00:39:52

in any place,

00:39:53 --> 00:39:55

then all the places which are west of

00:39:55 --> 00:39:56

that locality,

00:39:56 --> 00:39:58

they must follow it.

00:39:59 --> 00:40:00

But not those who are in the East.

00:40:01 --> 00:40:02

For example, if sun moon has been sighted

00:40:02 --> 00:40:03

in Saudi Arabia,

00:40:04 --> 00:40:06

then it is not obligatory

00:40:06 --> 00:40:08

on the people living in Pakistan,

00:40:09 --> 00:40:09

in India,

00:40:10 --> 00:40:10

Malaysia,

00:40:11 --> 00:40:14

Indonesia to follow it. Because by the time

00:40:14 --> 00:40:16

when the sun set in Indonesia, Malaysia,

00:40:17 --> 00:40:19

moon was very, very little. It was just

00:40:19 --> 00:40:21

maybe 1 hour old, 2 hour old, 3

00:40:21 --> 00:40:24

hour old, so they could not see. By

00:40:24 --> 00:40:26

the time when the sun set in Saudi

00:40:26 --> 00:40:28

Arabia, it became 16 hour old.

00:40:29 --> 00:40:30

Is it clear? So now we have got

00:40:30 --> 00:40:33

3 opinions. 1st opinion is Iftalaful

00:40:33 --> 00:40:35

Mataaleh is not accept considered.

00:40:39 --> 00:40:41

Iftalafal Matalih is considered. First one is Iftalafal

00:40:41 --> 00:40:42

Matalih is accepted.

00:40:43 --> 00:40:45

That you know people can have different Matalah.

00:40:45 --> 00:40:46

Second is not considered.

00:40:47 --> 00:40:49

3rd one is more cautious opinion that I

00:40:49 --> 00:40:50

accept.

00:40:50 --> 00:40:53

That is that if moon has been sighted

00:40:53 --> 00:40:54

in any place,

00:40:55 --> 00:40:57

then all the places which are west of

00:40:57 --> 00:40:58

that locality,

00:40:58 --> 00:41:00

they must accept it.

00:41:01 --> 00:41:03

Because when the sun set in that place,

00:41:04 --> 00:41:05

their moon will be even older,

00:41:06 --> 00:41:07

but more likely to be seen.

00:41:08 --> 00:41:10

So if sun sun sets in Saudi Arabia

00:41:10 --> 00:41:11

when moon is

00:41:12 --> 00:41:15

16 hour old, by the time sun sets

00:41:15 --> 00:41:16

in in UK,

00:41:16 --> 00:41:19

then the moon will be 19 hour old.

00:41:19 --> 00:41:21

It's more likely to be seen.

00:41:21 --> 00:41:23

So the third opinion that I more like

00:41:24 --> 00:41:27

I I'll support really that anywhere when,

00:41:28 --> 00:41:29

moon has been sighted

00:41:29 --> 00:41:32

and had been accepted by the jurists,

00:41:32 --> 00:41:33

by the Fokha and Mufti,

00:41:34 --> 00:41:35

then all the places which are

00:41:36 --> 00:41:37

west of that locality,

00:41:38 --> 00:41:40

they must accept it.

00:41:41 --> 00:41:43

And those places which are east of that

00:41:43 --> 00:41:43

locality,

00:41:43 --> 00:41:46

it is not obligatory on them to accept

00:41:46 --> 00:41:49

it. So this I discussed to you about

00:41:49 --> 00:41:49

the,

00:41:50 --> 00:41:51

in Uqtlaq al Muqadda'ala.

00:41:52 --> 00:41:55

Now next thing is coming is that

00:41:56 --> 00:41:57

Kylie may rely

00:41:58 --> 00:41:59

on the moon sighting

00:41:59 --> 00:42:00

about the moon sighting

00:42:01 --> 00:42:01

and,

00:42:02 --> 00:42:02

you know,

00:42:03 --> 00:42:04

and the science,

00:42:04 --> 00:42:06

you know, on the Alimur Falak, on the

00:42:06 --> 00:42:07

astronomy,

00:42:07 --> 00:42:08

you know, on the observatory

00:42:09 --> 00:42:11

because they can actually prepare observatory of the

00:42:11 --> 00:42:14

old month for 10, 20, 30, 40 years

00:42:14 --> 00:42:16

in advance because it's so well calculated,

00:42:16 --> 00:42:18

you know, that they can see really that

00:42:18 --> 00:42:20

when, you know, moon is,

00:42:20 --> 00:42:22

like, more likely to be sighted in in

00:42:22 --> 00:42:24

next month, that month, that month.

00:42:25 --> 00:42:27

Can we accept that or not?

00:42:27 --> 00:42:29

So this is a a controversial

00:42:30 --> 00:42:32

issue from very past really. In the past,

00:42:32 --> 00:42:34

it was not so maybe accurate,

00:42:34 --> 00:42:36

but the difference always happened.

00:42:36 --> 00:42:37

So there are a jurist,

00:42:38 --> 00:42:39

in Islam

00:42:41 --> 00:42:42

who say no. We are not going to

00:42:42 --> 00:42:43

accept,

00:42:43 --> 00:42:44

you know, any,

00:42:45 --> 00:42:46

you know,

00:42:46 --> 00:42:49

scientific observation of the moon. We are going

00:42:49 --> 00:42:51

to rely, you know, on normal

00:42:51 --> 00:42:54

sighting of the moon. So there are jurists

00:42:54 --> 00:42:55

who don't accept,

00:42:55 --> 00:42:58

any scientific evidence, you know, observatory

00:42:58 --> 00:43:01

or things like that. There have been appear

00:43:01 --> 00:43:02

like that and because and there are many

00:43:02 --> 00:43:03

argument

00:43:03 --> 00:43:05

the hadith or the prophet don't

00:43:06 --> 00:43:08

fast until you see the crescent.

00:43:09 --> 00:43:11

And the * seeing means seeing with the

00:43:11 --> 00:43:12

eye.

00:43:12 --> 00:43:14

And that's how the Prophet used to do.

00:43:14 --> 00:43:16

So these people don't accept

00:43:16 --> 00:43:17

any scientific evidence.

00:43:18 --> 00:43:19

There are jurists

00:43:20 --> 00:43:22

who say no we can accept because the

00:43:22 --> 00:43:23

prophet

00:43:23 --> 00:43:25

said we are Ummatul Ummiyyah.

00:43:26 --> 00:43:27

We don't know reading or writing.

00:43:28 --> 00:43:29

But,

00:43:29 --> 00:43:31

he made very clear because we don't know

00:43:31 --> 00:43:33

reading and writing, so when the Musa learn

00:43:33 --> 00:43:35

reading and writing and they become more learned,

00:43:35 --> 00:43:38

they know the scientific evidence, They understand the

00:43:38 --> 00:43:41

observatory. They understand the, you know, scientific calculation.

00:43:42 --> 00:43:44

So why not? Then we can follow that.

00:43:44 --> 00:43:46

So, you know, the prophet did not say

00:43:46 --> 00:43:48

it's something divine, you know so that we

00:43:48 --> 00:43:49

can you know

00:43:50 --> 00:43:52

uh-uh follow. So this is a second opinion

00:43:52 --> 00:43:54

that we should follow the scientific evidence that

00:43:54 --> 00:43:56

you know if science said that moon has

00:43:56 --> 00:43:57

been sighted or moon is visible.

00:43:59 --> 00:44:01

They can't sight really. They only can see

00:44:01 --> 00:44:02

to you

00:44:03 --> 00:44:06

visible. Any visibility of the moon. Any moon

00:44:06 --> 00:44:08

is able to be sighted. It is so

00:44:08 --> 00:44:11

that we can can we make that beginning

00:44:11 --> 00:44:12

of the month of Ramadan or beginning of

00:44:12 --> 00:44:15

the month of Shawwal or any month? So

00:44:15 --> 00:44:15

there are opinion,

00:44:16 --> 00:44:18

people say like that. This is second opinion.

00:44:20 --> 00:44:21

3rd opinion is

00:44:22 --> 00:44:24

that we can accept the science,

00:44:25 --> 00:44:26

observatory

00:44:27 --> 00:44:28

in denying the moon sighting.

00:44:29 --> 00:44:31

So for example, if somebody

00:44:32 --> 00:44:34

make a witness they have sighted the moon

00:44:34 --> 00:44:36

before the moon was born

00:44:37 --> 00:44:39

To will reject. Science said moon is not

00:44:39 --> 00:44:42

even born. To how can see it? So

00:44:42 --> 00:44:44

that evidence will reject it really.

00:44:44 --> 00:44:47

Why people see the moon after moon is

00:44:47 --> 00:44:49

born, like when moon is 16 hour old,

00:44:49 --> 00:44:50

18 hour old,

00:44:51 --> 00:44:52

then we accept.

00:44:52 --> 00:44:55

But when 16 hour old, it is cloudy

00:44:55 --> 00:44:58

and they don't see, then we complete 30

00:44:58 --> 00:44:58

days.

00:44:59 --> 00:45:01

So these people say we accept signs

00:45:02 --> 00:45:04

in rejecting the sun,

00:45:04 --> 00:45:07

in sighting other people to reject a claim,

00:45:07 --> 00:45:09

but we are not going to accept the

00:45:09 --> 00:45:12

moon for sight if I determine the beginning

00:45:12 --> 00:45:14

of the month. We can use it only

00:45:14 --> 00:45:14

to reject.

00:45:15 --> 00:45:17

So if somebody claims to sight the crescent

00:45:18 --> 00:45:20

before the moon is born, they will reject.

00:45:20 --> 00:45:22

We said, no. Scientifically, it is impossible to

00:45:22 --> 00:45:23

to see it anyway. So how can you

00:45:23 --> 00:45:25

see it? We can reject it.

00:45:26 --> 00:45:28

But if people claim to see the moon

00:45:28 --> 00:45:31

when scientifically it is possible, we accept.

00:45:32 --> 00:45:34

But if people don't see, even if scientifically,

00:45:36 --> 00:45:38

possible, we don't accept because, you know, we

00:45:38 --> 00:45:40

go for sighting. If we don't cite, even

00:45:40 --> 00:45:42

if science says it's possible, it is visible,

00:45:43 --> 00:45:44

we don't go for that. So we have

00:45:44 --> 00:45:46

got 3 opinions

00:45:46 --> 00:45:47

about the,

00:45:48 --> 00:45:50

using the science scientific method.

00:45:51 --> 00:45:53

The first one is we don't accept it

00:45:53 --> 00:45:54

completely.

00:45:54 --> 00:45:56

We follow the way of, you know, the

00:45:56 --> 00:45:58

time of the powers of lawlesson, we don't

00:45:58 --> 00:46:02

accept it. 2nd opinion is that we accept

00:46:02 --> 00:46:02

completely.

00:46:03 --> 00:46:05

You know, whenever a moon becomes visible,

00:46:05 --> 00:46:07

we start the month. That's how they prepare

00:46:07 --> 00:46:10

the calendars in many many other countries by

00:46:10 --> 00:46:13

scientific observation in advance, you know, they they

00:46:13 --> 00:46:14

make it.

00:46:14 --> 00:46:17

The third one is we in the middle,

00:46:17 --> 00:46:19

that we accept scientific observation

00:46:20 --> 00:46:22

to reject a false claim.

00:46:22 --> 00:46:24

To somebody claim that they have seen the

00:46:24 --> 00:46:26

moon even before it was born,

00:46:27 --> 00:46:29

when it was very little,

00:46:29 --> 00:46:30

we reject it.

00:46:32 --> 00:46:34

If people, you know, claim

00:46:34 --> 00:46:36

sighting the moon when the moon is born,

00:46:36 --> 00:46:38

yeah, that's fine. And when a moon is

00:46:38 --> 00:46:39

actually,

00:46:40 --> 00:46:40

you know, visible,

00:46:41 --> 00:46:43

but some people the people cannot see. We

00:46:43 --> 00:46:45

don't accept unless people see it. So this

00:46:45 --> 00:46:46

is a thorough opinion.

00:46:48 --> 00:46:49

Now we are coming really

00:46:50 --> 00:46:52

that what is moon sighting really? Is moon

00:46:52 --> 00:46:53

sighting

00:46:55 --> 00:46:56

purely religious matter

00:46:57 --> 00:46:58

or it is a worldly matter.

00:46:59 --> 00:47:01

You know, unless we understand this thing properly,

00:47:02 --> 00:47:05

we cannot know really how are we able

00:47:05 --> 00:47:06

to use science or not.

00:47:07 --> 00:47:08

You know when Allah

00:47:08 --> 00:47:10

commands, you command. Like Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala

00:47:10 --> 00:47:12

said, when you stand for the prayer, wash

00:47:12 --> 00:47:13

your face.

00:47:15 --> 00:47:16

Is washing

00:47:17 --> 00:47:19

in a religious matter or

00:47:20 --> 00:47:21

is it a

00:47:22 --> 00:47:22

human dictionary?

00:47:23 --> 00:47:25

What washing means? Does Quran say what washing

00:47:25 --> 00:47:26

means?

00:47:26 --> 00:47:29

Does Quran say what face means? When Quran

00:47:29 --> 00:47:31

say wash your hands? Does Quran say what

00:47:31 --> 00:47:32

hand means? No.

00:47:33 --> 00:47:35

What 'Hain' means? What 'face' means? That is

00:47:35 --> 00:47:36

actually human matter.

00:47:37 --> 00:47:37

It is linguistic,

00:47:38 --> 00:47:39

language. Language determines

00:47:40 --> 00:47:42

sometimes people's custom determines a meaning when a

00:47:42 --> 00:47:45

Quran is said that we may should put

00:47:45 --> 00:47:47

on, you know, himar on their head. What

00:47:47 --> 00:47:48

himar means?

00:47:50 --> 00:47:51

Urf will decide,

00:47:52 --> 00:47:54

people's customs will decide. So sometimes you understand

00:47:55 --> 00:47:56

meaning by dictionary,

00:47:56 --> 00:47:58

sometimes you understand meaning by the custom, by

00:47:58 --> 00:48:01

the purest culture, and sometimes you accept a

00:48:01 --> 00:48:03

meaning which is legal meaning. Like, you know,

00:48:03 --> 00:48:04

what salah means,

00:48:05 --> 00:48:08

what zakat means, that legal meaning. You can't

00:48:08 --> 00:48:09

know by society.

00:48:09 --> 00:48:11

That how we know. So when it is

00:48:11 --> 00:48:12

said really

00:48:13 --> 00:48:14

that, you know, khelar kerosent,

00:48:15 --> 00:48:16

what kerosent means?

00:48:17 --> 00:48:19

What nalaya kerosent means? It is actually something

00:48:19 --> 00:48:19

religious

00:48:20 --> 00:48:20

or

00:48:21 --> 00:48:22

something secular

00:48:23 --> 00:48:25

in which all the people share.

00:48:26 --> 00:48:28

It cannot be religious because people used to

00:48:28 --> 00:48:30

determine the month even before Islam.

00:48:31 --> 00:48:33

And there have been societies which are non

00:48:33 --> 00:48:35

Muslim. They also depend on the moon sighting.

00:48:36 --> 00:48:38

It can't be like that. So first thing

00:48:38 --> 00:48:40

we have to understand is moon sighting itself

00:48:40 --> 00:48:41

is not a religious matter.

00:48:43 --> 00:48:45

It is a completely different matter. It is

00:48:45 --> 00:48:47

human matter. It should be for adults. What

00:48:47 --> 00:48:49

is religious is when a month starts you

00:48:49 --> 00:48:50

start fasting.

00:48:51 --> 00:48:54

Fasting is a religious matter. But beginning of

00:48:54 --> 00:48:56

the month, that is human matter, it is

00:48:56 --> 00:49:00

linguistic matter, orf matter, customs matter, that how

00:49:00 --> 00:49:02

it is. And actually,

00:49:02 --> 00:49:04

you can see in many of these matters

00:49:04 --> 00:49:07

we make a difference really. We don't follow

00:49:07 --> 00:49:08

commands of Islam.

00:49:10 --> 00:49:11

Like Farah Appur, the prophet said

00:49:12 --> 00:49:13

that when you sell,

00:49:14 --> 00:49:16

you know, wheat for the wheat,

00:49:17 --> 00:49:18

barley for the barley,

00:49:19 --> 00:49:21

dares for the dares, salt for the salt,

00:49:22 --> 00:49:24

gold for gold, and silver for the silver.

00:49:25 --> 00:49:26

6th season.

00:49:26 --> 00:49:28

When you sell them, then what you do?

00:49:28 --> 00:49:31

Sell them equally. They should be equally. It

00:49:31 --> 00:49:33

is 1 kilo gold to 1 kilo gold

00:49:33 --> 00:49:36

from other side. 1 kilo barley to 1

00:49:36 --> 00:49:39

kilo barley, but on both sides same amount

00:49:39 --> 00:49:42

to equally. And second thing is yadam biadin,

00:49:42 --> 00:49:43

hand by hand.

00:49:44 --> 00:49:44

So the prophet

00:49:45 --> 00:49:47

says that you do hand by hand and

00:49:47 --> 00:49:49

the and it should be equal. How do

00:49:49 --> 00:49:51

you determine the equality?

00:49:52 --> 00:49:53

So Arab people,

00:49:53 --> 00:49:54

they used to

00:49:55 --> 00:49:57

know the equality between gold and gold, between

00:49:57 --> 00:49:59

silver and silver by the weight.

00:50:00 --> 00:50:02

They used to make by weight.

00:50:02 --> 00:50:03

Weight was wasn't.

00:50:04 --> 00:50:05

And how they determine

00:50:05 --> 00:50:09

equality between the, you know, wheat and barley

00:50:11 --> 00:50:11

by

00:50:12 --> 00:50:14

by volume. They used to measure by the

00:50:14 --> 00:50:15

volume. 1 sour.

00:50:16 --> 00:50:17

To 1 saw,

00:50:18 --> 00:50:21

wheat is equal to another one saw of

00:50:21 --> 00:50:24

wheat. 1 saw of barley is equal to

00:50:24 --> 00:50:25

another was 1 saw of barley.

00:50:26 --> 00:50:26

One,

00:50:26 --> 00:50:27

saw of,

00:50:29 --> 00:50:32

dates is equal to another one saw of

00:50:32 --> 00:50:34

the dates. That how they used to measure.

00:50:35 --> 00:50:37

That was the custom of the people, culture

00:50:37 --> 00:50:40

of the people. Now in our time really,

00:50:40 --> 00:50:42

when you go to buy the dates, do

00:50:42 --> 00:50:43

you buy the debts in the volume or

00:50:43 --> 00:50:44

weight?

00:50:45 --> 00:50:48

Weight like gold. It has changed. So can

00:50:48 --> 00:50:50

you say now, you know, we there's no

00:50:50 --> 00:50:53

reba, no interest? It's still very slow. You

00:50:53 --> 00:50:56

know, 1 1 kilo deaths far 1 kilo

00:50:56 --> 00:50:56

deaths.

00:50:57 --> 00:50:59

You know, it's still the same thing.

00:50:59 --> 00:51:01

So we have changed the measurement.

00:51:01 --> 00:51:04

So the prophet, sir, after trying some measurement,

00:51:04 --> 00:51:06

no more effect, no more there. It's a

00:51:06 --> 00:51:08

different measurement. It's still fine.

00:51:08 --> 00:51:10

You know, it you know, you you quality

00:51:10 --> 00:51:13

while determining his time by volume. Now it

00:51:13 --> 00:51:15

is determined by by the weight. It's fine.

00:51:16 --> 00:51:18

Even actually the measurement by volume was not

00:51:18 --> 00:51:21

agreed upon. Sa of Iraq used to be

00:51:21 --> 00:51:23

different from the Sa of Madinah.

00:51:23 --> 00:51:25

You know, the volume that in which people

00:51:25 --> 00:51:27

in Iraq used to wear,

00:51:27 --> 00:51:30

or measure that were different from the one

00:51:30 --> 00:51:31

one used in Madinah.

00:51:32 --> 00:51:34

Each body each one followed their own saw.

00:51:34 --> 00:51:35

So they did not follow the saw of

00:51:35 --> 00:51:37

the prophet salallahu alaihi wasallam because it is

00:51:37 --> 00:51:40

not religious miter. It is worldly miter.

00:51:40 --> 00:51:42

So that how people used to do. So

00:51:42 --> 00:51:44

in the worldly matter,

00:51:44 --> 00:51:46

you don't bring the religion. You have to

00:51:46 --> 00:51:48

find out how the people in the world,

00:51:48 --> 00:51:49

they determine something.

00:51:50 --> 00:51:52

That I want to say really that sighting

00:51:52 --> 00:51:53

of the moon

00:51:54 --> 00:51:56

is not a religious matter rather than it

00:51:56 --> 00:51:58

is a worldly matter, secular matter.

00:51:59 --> 00:52:00

I give you another example.

00:52:01 --> 00:52:03

The Prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam

00:52:04 --> 00:52:05

has made very clear

00:52:06 --> 00:52:08

that when the time or the fire starts,

00:52:08 --> 00:52:11

to time all the prayers, the fire time

00:52:11 --> 00:52:11

starts,

00:52:11 --> 00:52:12

you know, when,

00:52:14 --> 00:52:15

light appears,

00:52:15 --> 00:52:17

certain lights in the in the horizon,

00:52:18 --> 00:52:20

that's the beginning of the Fajr.

00:52:20 --> 00:52:22

And when the sun rises,

00:52:22 --> 00:52:24

that's the end of the Fajr.

00:52:25 --> 00:52:27

Then he said when the sun declines,

00:52:28 --> 00:52:30

that is the beginning of

00:52:30 --> 00:52:30

Zohr,

00:52:31 --> 00:52:33

and when the shade of everything becomes

00:52:34 --> 00:52:37

twice or one length of any object,

00:52:37 --> 00:52:40

that is end of Zhor and beginning of

00:52:40 --> 00:52:40

Asr,

00:52:41 --> 00:52:42

and when the sun sets,

00:52:43 --> 00:52:45

that is the beginning of Maghrib, ends of

00:52:45 --> 00:52:45

Asr.

00:52:46 --> 00:52:48

And when after that, when the Shafaq,

00:52:49 --> 00:52:49

the

00:52:50 --> 00:52:51

light, you know, disappears,

00:52:52 --> 00:52:53

that is the end of Maghreem

00:52:53 --> 00:52:55

and the beginning of

00:52:55 --> 00:52:56

Asia.

00:52:56 --> 00:52:57

That's what he said.

00:52:58 --> 00:53:00

And the prophets used to follow that and

00:53:00 --> 00:53:02

his companions used to follow that. And when

00:53:02 --> 00:53:03

it used to be cloudy,

00:53:04 --> 00:53:06

you know, when there's cloud raining,

00:53:06 --> 00:53:08

they can't see really whether sun has set

00:53:08 --> 00:53:09

or not.

00:53:10 --> 00:53:11

To how they know the sun is set?

00:53:13 --> 00:53:16

They used to guess and they used to

00:53:16 --> 00:53:17

delay further

00:53:17 --> 00:53:19

because it could be possible they did not

00:53:19 --> 00:53:20

guess properly. They used

00:53:21 --> 00:53:23

to delay Maghrib prayer in the,

00:53:23 --> 00:53:25

in the in the rain time in the

00:53:25 --> 00:53:27

cloudy time, and that the professor has said

00:53:27 --> 00:53:29

really. That when it's raining, delay it till

00:53:29 --> 00:53:32

you become more certain. That's how they used

00:53:32 --> 00:53:32

to do.

00:53:33 --> 00:53:36

Tell me really, what do you do now?

00:53:36 --> 00:53:37

Do you delay Maghrib now?

00:53:39 --> 00:53:41

Is it cloudy with delaying Maghrib because the

00:53:41 --> 00:53:44

prophet said? No. Because you know really, we

00:53:44 --> 00:53:46

can determine the sunset very

00:53:47 --> 00:53:47

accurately.

00:53:49 --> 00:53:51

Now people prepare the calendar for the whole

00:53:51 --> 00:53:53

year. Every masjid everybody has got that you

00:53:53 --> 00:53:56

can make calendar for, and everybody follows the

00:53:56 --> 00:53:57

time properly.

00:53:57 --> 00:53:59

Nobody goes really. You know, in the past,

00:53:59 --> 00:54:01

I remember when I was child, in some

00:54:01 --> 00:54:04

Masjid, they used to have this diagram, how

00:54:04 --> 00:54:05

to determine determine

00:54:05 --> 00:54:06

the Zohar time.

00:54:07 --> 00:54:09

The diagram in the Masjid that how they

00:54:09 --> 00:54:11

know Zohr time because there was no wars,

00:54:11 --> 00:54:13

no time. And when I used to I

00:54:13 --> 00:54:15

studied the fiqh in the madrasah when I

00:54:15 --> 00:54:16

was child,

00:54:16 --> 00:54:19

that time, you know, was not in the

00:54:19 --> 00:54:22

villages. So they they taught us how to

00:54:22 --> 00:54:23

know Zohr time.

00:54:24 --> 00:54:26

So how to fix something, you know, in

00:54:26 --> 00:54:29

the Masjid, how to follow the shadow, and

00:54:29 --> 00:54:31

they used to make very nice diagram to

00:54:31 --> 00:54:33

when the shadow becomes this this part of

00:54:33 --> 00:54:35

the diagram, there it is over time, and

00:54:35 --> 00:54:38

when it happened this part, there are other

00:54:38 --> 00:54:40

time. They used to make it and teach

00:54:40 --> 00:54:41

you to learn.

00:54:41 --> 00:54:43

Now when I teach you people fech, do

00:54:43 --> 00:54:46

I teach those diagrams? No. Why? Because they

00:54:46 --> 00:54:47

are not religious.

00:54:48 --> 00:54:50

They are part of a knowledge how to

00:54:50 --> 00:54:52

determine Zohr time. Zohr time is a secular

00:54:52 --> 00:54:54

time. It has nothing to do with religion.

00:54:54 --> 00:54:56

If people can determine the Zohr time by

00:54:56 --> 00:54:58

other means more accurately, we will not go

00:54:58 --> 00:54:59

to that diagram, not

00:55:00 --> 00:55:01

not circle.

00:55:02 --> 00:55:05

Now everybody goes for time. Everybody knows when

00:55:05 --> 00:55:06

sunset

00:55:06 --> 00:55:06

without

00:55:07 --> 00:55:09

cloudy, raining, it doesn't matter.

00:55:10 --> 00:55:12

So I I remember really the words

00:55:12 --> 00:55:13

I was in Jada,

00:55:14 --> 00:55:17

in in Mecca in the month of Ramadan.

00:55:18 --> 00:55:19

And the sun,

00:55:20 --> 00:55:23

or maybe Ibad Madinah really. Ibad Madinah when

00:55:23 --> 00:55:26

Iftar time happened and there was particular time

00:55:26 --> 00:55:28

and then I came to Jad Makkah, did

00:55:28 --> 00:55:29

Umrah. And Farifthar,

00:55:30 --> 00:55:31

I have to come to,

00:55:31 --> 00:55:34

Jada too. Somebody invited me. So I got

00:55:34 --> 00:55:36

a taxi, and I also had date.

00:55:37 --> 00:55:38

And the one that because I knew really

00:55:38 --> 00:55:40

I can't reach on the time. During the

00:55:40 --> 00:55:43

time for the sunset came according to Madinah

00:55:43 --> 00:55:46

time, I forgot I'm in Jeddah, and time

00:55:46 --> 00:55:46

is

00:55:47 --> 00:55:49

different. And Jaddah time is a few minutes,

00:55:49 --> 00:55:51

maybe 4 or 5 minutes or something like

00:55:51 --> 00:55:53

that, different from

00:55:53 --> 00:55:54

Madinah Makkah time,

00:55:55 --> 00:55:56

Madinah time few minutes later.

00:55:57 --> 00:56:00

I got a taxi, and I realized over

00:56:00 --> 00:56:02

time, so I start eating the date. All

00:56:02 --> 00:56:04

the people passing by me, they're looking at

00:56:04 --> 00:56:07

me very badly, like it's in the thinking

00:56:07 --> 00:56:08

I'm a bad Muslim and all that. I

00:56:08 --> 00:56:10

didn't understand. Then I realized really, maybe during

00:56:10 --> 00:56:13

that time. So think really, all these people

00:56:13 --> 00:56:15

because it was dark. You know? Because it

00:56:15 --> 00:56:16

may be cloudy. I could not see sun.

00:56:17 --> 00:56:19

Why these people are so certain that I'm

00:56:19 --> 00:56:19

around?

00:56:20 --> 00:56:21

Because of time the bush.

00:56:21 --> 00:56:24

Nobody sees the sun because some I I

00:56:24 --> 00:56:26

I hide there be sun. I would never

00:56:26 --> 00:56:28

have, you know, eaten. I was eating because

00:56:28 --> 00:56:29

it's dark.

00:56:29 --> 00:56:32

But everybody was very certain because they follow

00:56:32 --> 00:56:34

the everybody follows the time.

00:56:35 --> 00:56:36

So that I'm trying to say really easy.

00:56:36 --> 00:56:39

The timing, you know, they are secular.

00:56:39 --> 00:56:41

Meaning of secular is they are part of

00:56:41 --> 00:56:42

human knowledge.

00:56:43 --> 00:56:45

Whether Islam is there or not, sun will

00:56:45 --> 00:56:46

set.

00:56:46 --> 00:56:47

Whether in the world there is a Muslim

00:56:47 --> 00:56:50

or not, sun will rise, sun will decline,

00:56:50 --> 00:56:50

sun will set.

00:56:51 --> 00:56:53

Whether there are Muslims in the world or

00:56:53 --> 00:56:53

not,

00:56:53 --> 00:56:55

moon will, you know,

00:56:55 --> 00:56:58

is crescent will rise. Month will start. Month

00:56:58 --> 00:57:01

will, you know, end. It will happen. So

00:57:01 --> 00:57:04

in these matters, if there are things developed

00:57:04 --> 00:57:06

by none Muslims or by anybody

00:57:06 --> 00:57:08

better than what we do, we follow.

00:57:08 --> 00:57:10

I'll be followed in the prayer. In the

00:57:10 --> 00:57:12

prayer, we take take the timing of other

00:57:12 --> 00:57:14

people. And maybe, no. We,

00:57:15 --> 00:57:17

and we follow that. Nobody has any problem.

00:57:17 --> 00:57:19

Every much in the world, they follow those

00:57:19 --> 00:57:21

time. Nobody actually see make effort to follow

00:57:21 --> 00:57:25

follow the sunrise or decline of the sun.

00:57:26 --> 00:57:28

So people's custom can can change.

00:57:29 --> 00:57:31

So if people can do further prayer, which

00:57:31 --> 00:57:31

is more important,

00:57:32 --> 00:57:35

why they cannot do further Ramadan, further moonsa,

00:57:35 --> 00:57:38

further even further Hijjah, further hajj. They should

00:57:38 --> 00:57:40

be able any argument really,

00:57:40 --> 00:57:42

against that is not very I look in

00:57:42 --> 00:57:44

the argument. I never found any validity. There's

00:57:44 --> 00:57:47

a because the hadith said, don't fast until

00:57:47 --> 00:57:49

you see. Yeah. It said until you see,

00:57:49 --> 00:57:53

but meaning until you know. Because Hadith also

00:57:53 --> 00:57:55

said about the, about the prayer time.

00:57:55 --> 00:57:57

That, you know, until zawar, until this, but

00:57:57 --> 00:57:59

you never see anything like that. You just

00:57:59 --> 00:58:01

get the knowledge of that. The meaning of

00:58:01 --> 00:58:02

the knowledge is the knowledge

00:58:03 --> 00:58:04

And the prophet said we are Umma through

00:58:04 --> 00:58:06

Umiya, it does not mean that we remain

00:58:06 --> 00:58:08

Ummi far all the time. You know, this

00:58:08 --> 00:58:10

being Ummi, it can end.

00:58:11 --> 00:58:12

So this is

00:58:13 --> 00:58:15

important to understand really.

00:58:15 --> 00:58:17

So what will we do

00:58:18 --> 00:58:19

in this matter?

00:58:19 --> 00:58:22

My thinking in this matter is that wherever

00:58:23 --> 00:58:24

Muslims live really,

00:58:24 --> 00:58:26

first thing is they should understand

00:58:27 --> 00:58:29

how to unite their martyrs.

00:58:30 --> 00:58:31

Once, I remember,

00:58:32 --> 00:58:34

I was invited to a conference,

00:58:35 --> 00:58:36

in

00:58:37 --> 00:58:38

Birmingham

00:58:38 --> 00:58:40

in about the moon sighting long time ago,

00:58:40 --> 00:58:42

20 years 20 years back or something like

00:58:42 --> 00:58:42

that.

00:58:42 --> 00:58:45

So that what actually I made it clear

00:58:45 --> 00:58:48

that moon sighting is not a religious matter.

00:58:50 --> 00:58:53

It is really an organizational matter. It how

00:58:53 --> 00:58:53

to organize.

00:58:54 --> 00:58:56

It can it does not need olema.

00:58:56 --> 00:58:58

It does not need fakaha.

00:58:58 --> 00:58:59

It does not need Mufti.

00:59:00 --> 00:59:03

It needs really anybody who can understand what

00:59:03 --> 00:59:04

moon sighting means.

00:59:05 --> 00:59:05

Anybody.

00:59:06 --> 00:59:08

If you take a student. I said take

00:59:08 --> 00:59:10

appoint 1 person in this country

00:59:10 --> 00:59:12

and he determined everybody follows. You don't need

00:59:12 --> 00:59:15

so many faqar, mufti to I had for

00:59:15 --> 00:59:17

Abu time table, prayer time table. We don't

00:59:17 --> 00:59:18

need a mufti.

00:59:19 --> 00:59:22

You know, anybody who understand really what prayer

00:59:22 --> 00:59:24

time table mean, even non Muslim. A calculation,

00:59:25 --> 00:59:27

you know, a calculation can make very clear

00:59:27 --> 00:59:29

what time is the order and you rely

00:59:29 --> 00:59:31

on that. So similarly for this matter, we

00:59:31 --> 00:59:33

don't need to have different opinion and many

00:59:33 --> 00:59:34

people.

00:59:35 --> 00:59:37

You need to follow that any one person.

00:59:38 --> 00:59:40

But the problem is because there's so many

00:59:40 --> 00:59:40

opinions,

00:59:41 --> 00:59:43

like, you know, somebody said they know we

00:59:43 --> 00:59:44

must decide the crescent,

00:59:45 --> 00:59:47

somebody says no we can't rely on the

00:59:47 --> 00:59:47

science,

00:59:47 --> 00:59:48

on the observation,

00:59:49 --> 00:59:50

some people say we cannot be in the

00:59:50 --> 00:59:53

middle. So to think think really, with our

00:59:53 --> 00:59:54

3 opinions,

00:59:54 --> 00:59:55

how can unite?

00:59:57 --> 01:00:00

Unity can happen only when everybody sacrifice their

01:00:00 --> 01:00:02

opinion for the sake of one. That why

01:00:02 --> 01:00:04

in Islam we have got what? Imara,

01:00:04 --> 01:00:05

Jamara.

01:00:05 --> 01:00:08

That in all those matters which are matters

01:00:08 --> 01:00:10

of society, social matters,

01:00:10 --> 01:00:13

in that we must follow an imam, collective

01:00:13 --> 01:00:15

matters. So like for an Anapur,

01:00:16 --> 01:00:19

their JAMA prayer is with JAMA with congregation,

01:00:20 --> 01:00:21

5 trans prayer with congregation,

01:00:22 --> 01:00:24

5th prayer is Zohr Asr Maghrib Beyish. The

01:00:24 --> 01:00:26

4th prayer with congregation is Jama'ah.

01:00:28 --> 01:00:29

Most people have heard about

01:00:29 --> 01:00:32

prayer so many differences. In 4 raka they

01:00:32 --> 01:00:34

have got really 300 differences.

01:00:36 --> 01:00:38

In 4 raka' prayer, the difference among the

01:00:38 --> 01:00:40

Fuqai is nearly 300

01:00:41 --> 01:00:43

differences. So when you go for the prayer,

01:00:44 --> 01:00:45

you can't

01:00:45 --> 01:00:47

and the people who pray behind the imam,

01:00:47 --> 01:00:49

some people could be Hanafi, some could be

01:00:49 --> 01:00:52

Mariki, some people could be Shafi'i, Hambali, Al

01:00:52 --> 01:00:55

Hadid, so many madhab. Somebody could be Shia,

01:00:55 --> 01:00:55

Ibadi.

01:00:56 --> 01:00:59

Are you going to mix 4, 6 imams?

01:00:59 --> 01:01:00

I'm going to choose 1 imam.

01:01:02 --> 01:01:05

1 Imam. Though the miters which are collective,

01:01:06 --> 01:01:08

we follow the Imam. So when Imam goes

01:01:08 --> 01:01:10

in the ruku, everybody goes in the ruku.

01:01:10 --> 01:01:12

When Imam stand far from the ruku, everybody

01:01:12 --> 01:01:14

stand from the ruku. When Imam goes to

01:01:14 --> 01:01:17

Sada, everybody go far Sada. When Imam reads,

01:01:17 --> 01:01:19

everybody is quiet. When imam says salaam, everybody

01:01:19 --> 01:01:20

says salaam

01:01:21 --> 01:01:24

because we follow the imam. But within that,

01:01:24 --> 01:01:27

there are also a scope of differences.

01:01:27 --> 01:01:29

So for example, where to put your hand?

01:01:29 --> 01:01:31

Place. Some people put a place on the

01:01:31 --> 01:01:33

chest, some people on the navel, some people

01:01:33 --> 01:01:33

leave.

01:01:34 --> 01:01:37

You know, about reading, about sitting, about raising

01:01:37 --> 01:01:39

the hand. Some people say raise your hand

01:01:39 --> 01:01:41

up to your earlobe. Some people step to

01:01:41 --> 01:01:42

shoulder.

01:01:42 --> 01:01:45

So many different opinion people follow. The meaning

01:01:45 --> 01:01:48

is people can have their own different opinions

01:01:48 --> 01:01:51

as long as it does not, you know,

01:01:51 --> 01:01:55

come in clash with the collective opinion, with

01:01:55 --> 01:01:55

the Imama.

01:01:56 --> 01:01:57

Obey the Imama.

01:01:57 --> 01:01:59

The people should have Islam respects

01:02:00 --> 01:02:03

To to all the matters where you need

01:02:03 --> 01:02:03

unity,

01:02:03 --> 01:02:06

you need to find a solution that is

01:02:06 --> 01:02:07

to follow the imam,

01:02:08 --> 01:02:09

to follow the leader,

01:02:09 --> 01:02:11

to follow the people who are in charge

01:02:11 --> 01:02:12

of rheumatoid.

01:02:18 --> 01:02:21

You know, Muslims must follow the Uruil Amre,

01:02:21 --> 01:02:23

the people who are in charge of the

01:02:23 --> 01:02:23

matter.

01:02:24 --> 01:02:27

The best theory should be that in every

01:02:27 --> 01:02:28

country

01:02:28 --> 01:02:29

there should be

01:02:30 --> 01:02:31

1 body.

01:02:31 --> 01:02:32

Few people,

01:02:33 --> 01:02:35

they decide the beginning of month, and then

01:02:35 --> 01:02:38

all the believers, whether they have their own

01:02:38 --> 01:02:40

opinion, they should follow that opinion.

01:02:41 --> 01:02:43

Don't believe that my I'm more right. Even

01:02:43 --> 01:02:45

if you're more right, in this matter, you

01:02:45 --> 01:02:47

have to follow. Like, you know, when you

01:02:47 --> 01:02:49

you follow behind the imam, it could be

01:02:49 --> 01:02:51

that you're appearing more more right, but you

01:02:51 --> 01:02:52

can't differ from the imam. If you differ

01:02:52 --> 01:02:55

from the imam, your prayer will be invalid.

01:02:56 --> 01:02:57

The same thing moon sighting, could be I

01:02:57 --> 01:03:00

have an opinion which is much better,

01:03:00 --> 01:03:02

but when I am with the rest of

01:03:02 --> 01:03:04

the believers, I follow the opinion of the

01:03:04 --> 01:03:07

imam leader and I make my opinion under

01:03:07 --> 01:03:08

him. I remember

01:03:09 --> 01:03:11

in Oxford, in the when I came there,

01:03:11 --> 01:03:13

there used to be, you know, 2 or

01:03:13 --> 01:03:14

3,

01:03:15 --> 01:03:16

mosque people used

01:03:16 --> 01:03:18

to come together and discuss,

01:03:18 --> 01:03:21

you know, to unify about the moon sighting.

01:03:23 --> 01:03:25

In the beginning, they also used to, you

01:03:25 --> 01:03:28

know, invite me. So once there was a

01:03:28 --> 01:03:29

meeting in the Durbanji Masjid

01:03:30 --> 01:03:32

and waiting for the Barelvi people.

01:03:33 --> 01:03:34

So I said to them, you know, the

01:03:35 --> 01:03:37

you know, if you you know, the best

01:03:37 --> 01:03:38

thing really is

01:03:39 --> 01:03:41

to accept any opinion.

01:03:41 --> 01:03:43

You know, just follow, you know, one opinion

01:03:43 --> 01:03:46

in rather than making that I'm more right,

01:03:46 --> 01:03:48

I'm more right. It's not a problem. Just

01:03:48 --> 01:03:49

follow one of them.

01:03:49 --> 01:03:51

I said to them, follow-up on my see

01:03:51 --> 01:03:53

me. I have my opinion,

01:03:53 --> 01:03:55

but I'm really very happy that whatever you

01:03:55 --> 01:03:56

people decide, I follow. I'm not gonna follow

01:03:56 --> 01:03:58

my opinion. I want to follow you. I

01:03:58 --> 01:03:59

found 1 honorary.

01:03:59 --> 01:04:01

So they say, yeah. No. No. We are

01:04:01 --> 01:04:02

fine, but you but there'll be people who

01:04:02 --> 01:04:03

make problem.

01:04:03 --> 01:04:05

They they don't want to unite with us.

01:04:05 --> 01:04:07

So I said to them, what happens if

01:04:07 --> 01:04:09

they don't accept what you say? Why don't

01:04:09 --> 01:04:11

you accept what you they say, still unity

01:04:11 --> 01:04:11

can happen.

01:04:12 --> 01:04:13

Just a no no. How can we unite

01:04:13 --> 01:04:14

with the believers? How can we follow them,

01:04:15 --> 01:04:16

with Baralebis?

01:04:16 --> 01:04:18

To think really, if you can't agree with

01:04:18 --> 01:04:20

Baralebis, Baralebis cannot agree with you, then no

01:04:20 --> 01:04:22

way unity can be achieved.

01:04:22 --> 01:04:25

To understand properly, it is not that who

01:04:25 --> 01:04:28

is more right really, it is who can

01:04:28 --> 01:04:29

unite people.

01:04:29 --> 01:04:30

It might have been the organization.

01:04:31 --> 01:04:33

It might have been right or wrong really.

01:04:33 --> 01:04:34

Muslims must understand

01:04:35 --> 01:04:36

that in

01:04:36 --> 01:04:39

the matter of the collective you must come

01:04:39 --> 01:04:41

to agree on opinion

01:04:41 --> 01:04:44

which unite the believers. As I mentioned to

01:04:44 --> 01:04:44

you in the beginning,

01:04:48 --> 01:04:50

Qadhi of Kufa in this time used to

01:04:50 --> 01:04:51

be Ibn Abi Layla,

01:04:54 --> 01:04:55

sometimes Sharif used to be used to be

01:04:55 --> 01:04:56

Qadi

01:04:56 --> 01:04:59

and sometimes, you know, Hafs ibn Hayat was

01:04:59 --> 01:05:02

Qadi Khufa. None after them followed Abu Hanifa

01:05:02 --> 01:05:04

and Madhab. They were independent Mufti al Faqih.

01:05:04 --> 01:05:06

Actually they used to differ from Abu Hanifa.

01:05:06 --> 01:05:08

There appears to be different from Abu Hanifa.

01:05:08 --> 01:05:10

But you never find Abu Hanifa

01:05:11 --> 01:05:13

makes his own Eid or makes his own

01:05:13 --> 01:05:16

Ramadan. He follows the imam, the leader. Whenever

01:05:16 --> 01:05:18

Kufan Qadhi and Amir

01:05:18 --> 01:05:19

determines

01:05:19 --> 01:05:21

Abu Hanifah follows him, Abu Hanifah never has

01:05:21 --> 01:05:24

his own opinion. Though he has opinion, but

01:05:24 --> 01:05:26

he never follows that. Because following opinion means

01:05:26 --> 01:05:27

to

01:05:27 --> 01:05:28

divide the believers.

01:05:29 --> 01:05:30

I give you example,

01:05:32 --> 01:05:33

you know, in Hanafi Madham,

01:05:33 --> 01:05:36

if you're bleeding, blood comes from your body

01:05:36 --> 01:05:38

then your prayer becomes invalid. Your

01:05:38 --> 01:05:40

You have to do udhu again. You you

01:05:40 --> 01:05:42

believe. If blood comes out, you have to

01:05:42 --> 01:05:43

do udhu again.

01:05:43 --> 01:05:47

In Maliki Madhav in Madhav Madinan people, bleeding

01:05:47 --> 01:05:49

does not break your odour. You can carry

01:05:49 --> 01:05:51

on. Bleeding is not effective.

01:05:52 --> 01:05:54

Our Yousafarqad is the chief justice of Islam,

01:05:54 --> 01:05:55

who is a Bu Hanifa student.

01:05:56 --> 01:05:58

He went for the Hajj with Harun al

01:05:58 --> 01:06:00

Rashid, the Khalifa, the caliph.

01:06:02 --> 01:06:04

When Haru was in Madinah,

01:06:04 --> 01:06:06

he learned the prayer, one of the prayers

01:06:06 --> 01:06:08

and then after that he did cupping, hejama,

01:06:09 --> 01:06:10

where his blood was taken out.

01:06:11 --> 01:06:12

So he know that if he asked Abu

01:06:12 --> 01:06:14

Yusuf Al Taadi, Abu Yusuf will say, your

01:06:14 --> 01:06:16

oath is broken, you have to do Odo

01:06:16 --> 01:06:16

again.

01:06:17 --> 01:06:20

What Harun did, he asked Imam Malik.

01:06:20 --> 01:06:22

Imam Malik said no. You're fine. You can

01:06:22 --> 01:06:24

do the prayer. You don't need to do

01:06:24 --> 01:06:26

it again. That is fine. So he accepted

01:06:26 --> 01:06:28

Ambali's opinion and led the prayer.

01:06:29 --> 01:06:31

Abu Yusuf al Qadi, his opinion was different

01:06:31 --> 01:06:33

but still he followed Abu Har Rashid and

01:06:33 --> 01:06:35

prayed behind him. So people said to Abu

01:06:35 --> 01:06:39

Yusuf Al Qadi that, why did you follow

01:06:39 --> 01:06:41

Harun when actually Europe is different from him?

01:06:42 --> 01:06:43

So he said, do you think we'll leave

01:06:43 --> 01:06:45

the imam for this small thing?

01:06:46 --> 01:06:47

It is the way or the with our

01:06:47 --> 01:06:50

people we follow the imam. Following the imam

01:06:50 --> 01:06:51

is more important

01:06:51 --> 01:06:52

than following your own opinion

01:06:53 --> 01:06:56

In collective matters you must follow the Imam.

01:06:57 --> 01:06:58

Another example even before

01:06:58 --> 01:07:01

that, another example is that the prophet

01:07:02 --> 01:07:04

when he came from Makkah from Madinah to

01:07:04 --> 01:07:05

Makkah,

01:07:05 --> 01:07:08

he did Hajj. He did only 1 Hajj.

01:07:09 --> 01:07:10

So he was a traveler.

01:07:11 --> 01:07:12

Till Makkah,

01:07:12 --> 01:07:14

he prayed Zor, Asr, and Asr, 2 Rakah.

01:07:16 --> 01:07:18

Same when he was in Mina, he played

01:07:18 --> 01:07:20

Zohr Asr and Esha 2 rakah.

01:07:21 --> 01:07:22

Not for 2 because he's a traveler.

01:07:23 --> 01:07:25

When Abu Qasiddhi became Khalifa,

01:07:25 --> 01:07:27

he came and hid Hajj. He also used

01:07:27 --> 01:07:31

to pray 2 rakaal mina. Zohr Asr Anisha

01:07:31 --> 01:07:32

2 rakaal.

01:07:32 --> 01:07:35

When Umar Khattab became Khalifa, he also did

01:07:35 --> 01:07:37

the same thing. 2 rakhaan Zohr 2 rakhaan

01:07:38 --> 01:07:38

Asha.

01:07:39 --> 01:07:41

When Usman became Khalifa, he also did the

01:07:41 --> 01:07:43

same in the beginning. 2 rakhaan Dzohr

01:07:44 --> 01:07:46

2 as in Asr, 2 asha.

01:07:46 --> 01:07:48

Then after a few years of his khilafa,

01:07:48 --> 01:07:49

Uthman changed.

01:07:50 --> 01:07:52

An Usman said, Now I am going to

01:07:52 --> 01:07:54

pray in Mina 4 raka.

01:07:54 --> 01:07:55

Zor 4 raka,

01:07:56 --> 01:07:58

Asa 4 raka, and Asha 4 raka.

01:07:59 --> 01:08:02

Some companies criticized him. Among the people who

01:08:02 --> 01:08:04

were more criticizing him very openly

01:08:04 --> 01:08:07

is Abdullah ibn Masood Al Lat Anhu, great

01:08:07 --> 01:08:08

Khalifa

01:08:08 --> 01:08:08

companion

01:08:09 --> 01:08:11

and great faqih and jurist. He criticized him

01:08:11 --> 01:08:12

very heavily.

01:08:14 --> 01:08:16

And when the time for the prayer came,

01:08:16 --> 01:08:17

then he prayed behind Usman

01:08:18 --> 01:08:20

like Usman. So people said to him that

01:08:20 --> 01:08:22

you differ from him, still you pray behind

01:08:22 --> 01:08:24

him? He said, no, we can't leave the

01:08:24 --> 01:08:26

imam. We must obey the imam.

01:08:27 --> 01:08:29

We can have our opinion but we can't

01:08:29 --> 01:08:31

differ from him. That what actually we need

01:08:31 --> 01:08:33

to learn, you know, from the oldest thing

01:08:33 --> 01:08:34

that I'm advising you people.

01:08:35 --> 01:08:36

It is not really that, you know, which

01:08:36 --> 01:08:38

opinion is more valid. All these opinions existed

01:08:39 --> 01:08:40

in the beginning of Islam. You will kind

01:08:40 --> 01:08:42

of find the opinion that people who say

01:08:42 --> 01:08:43

we must

01:08:43 --> 01:08:46

side the question. That's fine. There are people

01:08:46 --> 01:08:48

who say no. We can depend on the,

01:08:49 --> 01:08:51

you know, observatory. That's also fine. That also

01:08:51 --> 01:08:53

has good argument. You can follow the third

01:08:53 --> 01:08:55

opinion, which I made in the be in

01:08:55 --> 01:08:58

the middle that you can have, depend on

01:08:58 --> 01:08:58

the observatory

01:08:59 --> 01:09:00

to reject an opinion,

01:09:01 --> 01:09:03

but, then you have to side the curse.

01:09:04 --> 01:09:05

The 3 opinions are there.

01:09:06 --> 01:09:07

You can follow any of them. There's not

01:09:07 --> 01:09:08

a problem really.

01:09:09 --> 01:09:11

But what you can't do really, eating fasting

01:09:11 --> 01:09:12

or the month of Ramadan,

01:09:13 --> 01:09:13

our Hajj,

01:09:14 --> 01:09:17

our Eid, they are not individual or personal

01:09:17 --> 01:09:18

matter. They are collective matter. They should be

01:09:22 --> 01:09:24

imam and leader. What you need to do

01:09:24 --> 01:09:24

is,

01:09:25 --> 01:09:26

in one whole country

01:09:27 --> 01:09:29

must make an imam a leader. They are

01:09:30 --> 01:09:31

and everybody else forget.

01:09:31 --> 01:09:33

The imam and the leader announce

01:09:34 --> 01:09:35

when he's beginning Ramadan,

01:09:35 --> 01:09:37

everybody follows him even if they don't agree

01:09:37 --> 01:09:40

he follows him. And when is the Eid

01:09:40 --> 01:09:42

follow him even if you don't agree because

01:09:42 --> 01:09:43

it might have the organization.

01:09:43 --> 01:09:46

I'll be doing in in the prayer. We

01:09:46 --> 01:09:47

pray behind the imam.

01:09:47 --> 01:09:49

That what should be done in every country.

01:09:50 --> 01:09:51

If you can't do in every country, at

01:09:51 --> 01:09:52

least in the city,

01:09:53 --> 01:09:54

Make one body and I I announce,

01:09:55 --> 01:09:57

you know, actually, to my my opinion, it

01:09:57 --> 01:09:59

should be done in the whole world, really.

01:09:59 --> 01:10:01

The whole world can have one same day

01:10:01 --> 01:10:02

beginning of Ramadan

01:10:02 --> 01:10:05

and the same day beginning of Eid. It

01:10:05 --> 01:10:06

could be possible

01:10:06 --> 01:10:09

that sometime, you know, moon is sighted in

01:10:09 --> 01:10:11

Saudi Arabia and not sighted in South Indonesia.

01:10:11 --> 01:10:13

Sometimes it can happen. Still if we can

01:10:13 --> 01:10:16

follow, that's fine because the prophet has said

01:10:21 --> 01:10:24

your fast is the day you fast and

01:10:24 --> 01:10:26

your Eid is the day you make Eid.

01:10:26 --> 01:10:29

That way, Ullama say, if Imam decided,

01:10:30 --> 01:10:32

you know, Arafah should be 9th of Dhul

01:10:32 --> 01:10:35

Hijjah, If somehow the imam leader make mistake

01:10:35 --> 01:10:37

and people heard their Arafah on the 8th

01:10:37 --> 01:10:38

Dhul Hijjah.

01:10:39 --> 01:10:41

Our 10th Dhul Hijjah, the Hajj is valid

01:10:41 --> 01:10:43

and they don't need to repeat it. Because

01:10:43 --> 01:10:46

whatever Muslims accept, Allah makes it valid. It

01:10:46 --> 01:10:48

becomes like that. So if Muslims all over

01:10:48 --> 01:10:50

the world, they agree on a date, on

01:10:50 --> 01:10:52

something, for example, if all Muslims decide

01:10:53 --> 01:10:55

that we are going to accept, you know,

01:10:56 --> 01:10:58

sighting of Saudi Arabia

01:10:58 --> 01:11:00

wherever we are. That's not a problem. Then

01:11:00 --> 01:11:02

fine. The unity will happen all over the

01:11:02 --> 01:11:04

world. You know, people can can make like

01:11:04 --> 01:11:05

that.

01:11:05 --> 01:11:09

I personally, really my opinion is that people

01:11:09 --> 01:11:11

of all over the Muslim, then Muslims don't

01:11:11 --> 01:11:14

need to waste their time. One society, enough

01:11:14 --> 01:11:16

for everybody, everybody in the world, and you

01:11:16 --> 01:11:18

do it because it's just a symbol. And

01:11:18 --> 01:11:21

and you tell the believers is much more

01:11:21 --> 01:11:24

important. It's really great great sin that most

01:11:24 --> 01:11:27

necessary for in this matter. Difference really in

01:11:27 --> 01:11:30

this matter much much much more problem. You

01:11:30 --> 01:11:32

know, unity of the believer, if it is

01:11:32 --> 01:11:33

a mistake, it's still fine.

01:11:35 --> 01:11:37

If there are 2 opinions in the fiqh,

01:11:37 --> 01:11:39

Furqah have been saying that there are 2

01:11:39 --> 01:11:40

opinions,

01:11:40 --> 01:11:43

but one opinion which is weaker,

01:11:43 --> 01:11:44

unites the believers

01:11:45 --> 01:11:47

that is better than the strong opinion

01:11:48 --> 01:11:49

which divides the believer.

01:11:50 --> 01:11:52

Not only that really, you know, there are

01:11:52 --> 01:11:54

Sahih Hadith the prophet

01:11:54 --> 01:11:56

used to pray Fazil in a ralas in

01:11:56 --> 01:11:58

the dark. So many Sahih Hadith.

01:11:59 --> 01:12:00

Imam Hanifat

01:12:01 --> 01:12:04

least died and he said Fazir prayer should

01:12:04 --> 01:12:04

be delayed.

01:12:05 --> 01:12:07

And the reason he said is because when

01:12:07 --> 01:12:09

you delay it, you make more people to

01:12:09 --> 01:12:11

pray attend the prayer. Because young people, they

01:12:11 --> 01:12:14

get up in the morning very late. To

01:12:14 --> 01:12:16

make the fire delayed, the more people can

01:12:16 --> 01:12:16

see

01:12:17 --> 01:12:19

because far more people will change this opinion.

01:12:19 --> 01:12:22

Similarly, for example, in Ramadan, Hanafi opinion is

01:12:22 --> 01:12:25

prayer fire late. By Ramadan or the Hanafi

01:12:25 --> 01:12:28

mosque, they pray for the early because they

01:12:28 --> 01:12:30

everybody wake up to have suhoor.

01:12:31 --> 01:12:33

So it makes more sense that in the

01:12:33 --> 01:12:34

suhoor ends, else, say, I run out the

01:12:34 --> 01:12:36

file, forget, then sleep.

01:12:36 --> 01:12:38

Otherwise, if you delay the file, then people

01:12:38 --> 01:12:40

have to, you know, wait for half an

01:12:40 --> 01:12:42

hour, 1 hour So that's why everybody

01:12:42 --> 01:12:44

but fine because you see the convenience of

01:12:44 --> 01:12:46

the people. It is very important really to

01:12:46 --> 01:12:49

always understand. You you know, in the matter

01:12:49 --> 01:12:51

of the collect though the matters which are

01:12:51 --> 01:12:53

collective matters, in though the matter, it is

01:12:53 --> 01:12:56

not important which opinion is more sound. What

01:12:56 --> 01:12:57

matters is the opinion

01:12:58 --> 01:12:59

which can ignite the believers.

01:13:00 --> 01:13:02

Unity of the believers is more important.

01:13:03 --> 01:13:05

In those matters which are personal, then you

01:13:05 --> 01:13:07

follow what is up to you. You you

01:13:07 --> 01:13:10

kinda follow the most straight opinion, whatever you

01:13:10 --> 01:13:12

like really. But once you have to be

01:13:12 --> 01:13:12

with the people,

01:13:13 --> 01:13:15

then make sure that you follow what is,

01:13:15 --> 01:13:16

you know,

01:13:17 --> 01:13:19

uniting the believers more and more. Tell me

01:13:19 --> 01:13:21

that somebody other matter really is to remind

01:13:21 --> 01:13:23

me and you that the month of Ramadan

01:13:24 --> 01:13:26

should not be wasted in gossiping,

01:13:26 --> 01:13:29

in fighting for unnecessary problem, and I've seen

01:13:29 --> 01:13:32

really for more than 32 years, it is

01:13:32 --> 01:13:32

a cycle.

01:13:33 --> 01:13:34

And, I remember,

01:13:36 --> 01:13:38

just 2 years ago, 3 years back,

01:13:39 --> 01:13:41

before Ramadan, I am part of 1 of,

01:13:43 --> 01:13:46

moon sighting or or FIRK Committee of America.

01:13:46 --> 01:13:48

So they asked me, that to join their

01:13:48 --> 01:13:51

online meeting to join. And the meeting was

01:13:51 --> 01:13:52

about moon sighting.

01:13:53 --> 01:13:54

Same arguments.

01:13:55 --> 01:13:57

So when it came to me to talk,

01:13:57 --> 01:13:59

to I started with the,

01:13:59 --> 01:14:01

poetry of Mo'al Al Hakad,

01:14:08 --> 01:14:10

I said to them if you read Arabic

01:14:10 --> 01:14:11

poetry

01:14:12 --> 01:14:14

all the poets they where they start their

01:14:14 --> 01:14:16

poems long poems with only one thing. Where

01:14:16 --> 01:14:17

they start?

01:14:17 --> 01:14:20

They pass by by a by a place

01:14:20 --> 01:14:22

to remember their beloved. They used to see

01:14:22 --> 01:14:25

her there, and now they left and they

01:14:25 --> 01:14:27

moan and they cry and all those things,

01:14:27 --> 01:14:29

and then they start that poem. So every

01:14:29 --> 01:14:32

poet starts with the zikara habi, remembering

01:14:32 --> 01:14:34

the place of their beloved. That's how. So

01:14:34 --> 01:14:36

I said to them that that how you

01:14:36 --> 01:14:39

have been we people have been. Every for

01:14:39 --> 01:14:42

32 years, I've seen it. Every time people

01:14:42 --> 01:14:44

come to determine the moon, they start with

01:14:44 --> 01:14:45

the same arguments.

01:14:45 --> 01:14:47

Exactly the same. Repeat the same thing again

01:14:47 --> 01:14:49

and again. It kept tiring and boring. You

01:14:49 --> 01:14:52

know, they're nothing new really. You attend any

01:14:52 --> 01:14:54

moon sighting conference,

01:14:54 --> 01:14:55

meeting,

01:14:55 --> 01:14:57

seminar, all same old argument.

01:14:58 --> 01:14:59

You know, it might nothing to do with

01:14:59 --> 01:15:01

argument really. The matter is a matter of

01:15:01 --> 01:15:02

organization.

01:15:03 --> 01:15:04

And I said to the people, if you're

01:15:04 --> 01:15:06

not able to decide

01:15:06 --> 01:15:08

determine the month, make a lot.

01:15:10 --> 01:15:13

Meaning is that write on 2 papers. One

01:15:13 --> 01:15:14

paper says,

01:15:14 --> 01:15:16

'Your month is starting on

01:15:16 --> 01:15:18

this date, on Monday. One says Sunday.

01:15:19 --> 01:15:21

Make 2 paper and take it and hide

01:15:21 --> 01:15:24

it, you know, fold it, and then call

01:15:24 --> 01:15:26

a child and ask him to lift one

01:15:26 --> 01:15:28

of them and lift any one of them.

01:15:28 --> 01:15:30

That's the beginning of Ramadan. That's not a

01:15:30 --> 01:15:31

simple matter.

01:15:31 --> 01:15:34

It will unite you. Diet is better than

01:15:34 --> 01:15:36

all discussion because all this discussion

01:15:36 --> 01:15:37

never led anywhere.

01:15:37 --> 01:15:39

When you discuss more, differ more.

01:15:40 --> 01:15:42

This matter never can be

01:15:43 --> 01:15:43

understood

01:15:44 --> 01:15:46

and achieved by discussion.

01:15:46 --> 01:15:49

It is by compromise, by surrendering,

01:15:49 --> 01:15:51

making very clear, no. Nothing to do with

01:15:51 --> 01:15:53

me really. Just make one person, and he

01:15:53 --> 01:15:55

announced, and we follow that simple matter. Why

01:15:55 --> 01:15:57

should I give an opinion for everything? That's

01:15:57 --> 01:16:00

why I'm unhappy. I said to people of

01:16:00 --> 01:16:02

Oxford all the time. If you take my

01:16:02 --> 01:16:04

opinion, I'm happy whatever you decide. I don't

01:16:04 --> 01:16:07

follow my opinion. I follow your opinion. But

01:16:07 --> 01:16:09

you people should agree on something, but they

01:16:09 --> 01:16:09

never agree.

01:16:10 --> 01:16:11

In Oxford,

01:16:11 --> 01:16:13

in every year in the month of Ramadan

01:16:13 --> 01:16:16

we have 2 different days. Always 2 different

01:16:16 --> 01:16:19

days. Hardly I've seen it anytime really where

01:16:19 --> 01:16:20

they've got one.

01:16:20 --> 01:16:22

Same thing in India, it used to happen.

01:16:22 --> 01:16:25

I remember in my village many times happened

01:16:25 --> 01:16:27

we had 2 different elite. Smaller village, 2

01:16:27 --> 01:16:28

different elite.

01:16:29 --> 01:16:32

People cannot learn really how to follow.

01:16:32 --> 01:16:34

It how if we cannot achieve the unity

01:16:35 --> 01:16:38

about Ramadan and fasting, tell me in the

01:16:38 --> 01:16:40

political matter how can we achieve unity. It's

01:16:40 --> 01:16:40

impossible.

01:16:41 --> 01:16:44

The moon sighting matter really to me is

01:16:44 --> 01:16:44

not,

01:16:44 --> 01:16:47

Amriddhi. What we I always say

01:16:54 --> 01:16:55

really.

01:16:55 --> 01:16:58

Sighting of the crescent is not a religious

01:16:58 --> 01:16:59

matter.

01:17:05 --> 01:17:06

It is organizational.

01:17:08 --> 01:17:10

It is basically how to organize your matter.

01:17:10 --> 01:17:11

Nothing to do religion. It is not a

01:17:11 --> 01:17:12

religion matter.

01:17:13 --> 01:17:15

You know, it is it is secular matter.

01:17:15 --> 01:17:17

Actually, you can appoint a non Muslim

01:17:18 --> 01:17:20

to tell you when the month starts.

01:17:20 --> 01:17:23

That is much more safe than all. Nothing

01:17:23 --> 01:17:24

to do with any Mufti.

01:17:24 --> 01:17:26

You know, to determine the month of Ramadan,

01:17:26 --> 01:17:28

you don't need a Mufti.

01:17:29 --> 01:17:32

You just need really somebody on whom the

01:17:32 --> 01:17:33

people can agree.

01:17:33 --> 01:17:36

A state takes in her hand that you

01:17:36 --> 01:17:38

know, I will decide. This state. Follow this

01:17:38 --> 01:17:38

state.

01:17:39 --> 01:17:39

Follow anything.

01:17:40 --> 01:17:43

But if people give the month of Ramadan

01:17:43 --> 01:17:43

to Muftis

01:17:44 --> 01:17:46

and now in every city there are 10,

01:17:46 --> 01:17:49

20 Muftis. Everybody's opinion. So how can we

01:17:49 --> 01:17:50

agree? Tell me. In the same house there

01:17:50 --> 01:17:51

are 2, 3 Muftis.

01:17:51 --> 01:17:54

So then same house had 2 different different

01:17:54 --> 01:17:55

3 different Eid.

01:17:55 --> 01:17:58

So simple matter really easy. All the arguments

01:17:58 --> 01:17:59

are there.

01:17:59 --> 01:18:02

Everybody has got their argument, and we respect

01:18:02 --> 01:18:02

everybody.

01:18:03 --> 01:18:05

What I'm trying to say is that it

01:18:05 --> 01:18:06

has nothing to do with argument. You don't

01:18:06 --> 01:18:09

need to listen to everybody's argument. What you

01:18:09 --> 01:18:12

need to make very clear is let's appoint

01:18:12 --> 01:18:15

1 person or one body which can determine

01:18:15 --> 01:18:16

this beginning of Ramadan

01:18:17 --> 01:18:19

or beginning of Eid in our country,

01:18:20 --> 01:18:22

and we follow that. We are not going

01:18:22 --> 01:18:23

to put our argument. We are not going

01:18:23 --> 01:18:26

to write on this thing and say, We

01:18:26 --> 01:18:28

don't want to convince everybody. We just want

01:18:28 --> 01:18:31

to follow this. If you do that, it

01:18:31 --> 01:18:32

more likely you achieve. And, actually, I I

01:18:32 --> 01:18:34

want to say more than that. To me,

01:18:34 --> 01:18:35

really,

01:18:36 --> 01:18:38

if Muslims all over the world,

01:18:38 --> 01:18:40

they can agree on a country. Like, for

01:18:40 --> 01:18:43

now, Makatul Makarama is, you know, a triple

01:18:43 --> 01:18:45

of everybody, and we follow Saudi Arabia Hajj

01:18:45 --> 01:18:45

anyway.

01:18:46 --> 01:18:48

When people go for the Hajj, they follow

01:18:48 --> 01:18:50

Saudi calendar. Nobody follows their own calendar.

01:18:51 --> 01:18:52

If we follow Saudi Arabia already in the

01:18:52 --> 01:18:54

Hajj, and Hajj is one of the important

01:18:54 --> 01:18:57

things depending on the, on the moon. Why

01:18:57 --> 01:19:00

can't we depend on them on the, Ramadan?

01:19:01 --> 01:19:03

And I'm not saying that a Saudi opinion

01:19:03 --> 01:19:05

is the right one. No. I never assist

01:19:05 --> 01:19:07

I never agree with Saudi moon sighting. I

01:19:07 --> 01:19:08

myself,

01:19:09 --> 01:19:11

I have a different opinion. I don't I'm

01:19:11 --> 01:19:13

not in favor of Saudi moon sighting.

01:19:13 --> 01:19:15

For the sake of unity, I'm saying that

01:19:15 --> 01:19:18

if Muslims all over the world, they agree

01:19:19 --> 01:19:21

on the moon sighting of Saudi Arabia

01:19:21 --> 01:19:22

in Ramadan

01:19:22 --> 01:19:24

as they agree on the moon sighting Saudi

01:19:24 --> 01:19:26

Arabia for the Hajj, then no

01:19:27 --> 01:19:28

problem. All over the world Muslims don't need

01:19:28 --> 01:19:30

to cite their own concerns

01:19:30 --> 01:19:33

just wherefore the news when the news comes

01:19:33 --> 01:19:36

from Saudi Arabia follow it Far Ramadan, Far

01:19:36 --> 01:19:38

Eid, and Far the Hajj.

01:19:38 --> 01:19:41

So such an important unity. And the prophet

01:19:41 --> 01:19:43

said, your fasting is the day you fast

01:19:43 --> 01:19:44

and

01:19:44 --> 01:19:46

your aid is the day you may kill.

01:19:46 --> 01:19:48

If people can do, if you want, this

01:19:48 --> 01:19:51

is one solution. Second solution could be, okay,

01:19:51 --> 01:19:52

people can say

01:19:53 --> 01:19:56

those countries which are east of Saudi Arabia,

01:19:57 --> 01:19:59

where Saudi Arabia saw the moon in a

01:19:59 --> 01:20:01

it was, you know,

01:20:01 --> 01:20:04

late, but, in Indonesia, when the sun was

01:20:04 --> 01:20:06

setting, it the age of the moon was

01:20:06 --> 01:20:08

very little. They could not sight.

01:20:08 --> 01:20:10

So it's a good valid point, but for

01:20:10 --> 01:20:11

the sake of fluency, we can actually,

01:20:12 --> 01:20:15

pass this. But anyway, if you want to

01:20:15 --> 01:20:17

keep that, then at least what I'll say

01:20:17 --> 01:20:19

really is all the countries

01:20:19 --> 01:20:20

which lie

01:20:20 --> 01:20:23

west of Saudi Arabia, they should follow Saudi

01:20:23 --> 01:20:23

Arabia.

01:20:24 --> 01:20:26

And those which are in the east, they

01:20:26 --> 01:20:29

should agree on something else. More likely, they

01:20:29 --> 01:20:31

will do one on same day because, you

01:20:31 --> 01:20:32

know, generally, it is same day or it

01:20:32 --> 01:20:34

could be 2 different days. That's all. Not

01:20:34 --> 01:20:36

more than 2. At the moment, it happens

01:20:36 --> 01:20:36

3 days

01:20:37 --> 01:20:39

difference in the world. So in the first

01:20:39 --> 01:20:40

of my choice

01:20:41 --> 01:20:43

is the whole world agrees on one moon

01:20:43 --> 01:20:46

sighting and that may be Makathar Mukharama. And

01:20:46 --> 01:20:48

we agree on Saudi Arabia in Hajj, let's

01:20:48 --> 01:20:51

agree in Ramadan either well. This is first.

01:20:51 --> 01:20:53

Second one is at least the people who

01:20:53 --> 01:20:56

are in in the west of Saudi Arabia,

01:20:56 --> 01:20:58

like, you know, UK, Europe, America,

01:20:59 --> 01:21:01

they rely on Saudi Arabia. And those in

01:21:01 --> 01:21:03

the east, they can have their own, you

01:21:03 --> 01:21:05

know, one day later, whatever they like. There

01:21:05 --> 01:21:06

can be a solution.

01:21:07 --> 01:21:09

We don't have, you know, one leader for

01:21:09 --> 01:21:11

the whole Ummah anymore, sir. We have imams

01:21:11 --> 01:21:13

and we have leaders, and most of the

01:21:13 --> 01:21:15

leaders not learn it. Should we just follow

01:21:15 --> 01:21:18

our own masjid and the imam of the

01:21:18 --> 01:21:18

masjid?

01:21:19 --> 01:21:20

And then the second,

01:21:20 --> 01:21:23

question is the fasting of Arafah because it's

01:21:23 --> 01:21:24

the 9th of the.

01:21:24 --> 01:21:27

And, of course, the night falls differently in

01:21:27 --> 01:21:29

the US versus this the Saudi

01:21:29 --> 01:21:31

and Saudi. And from what you're saying, we

01:21:31 --> 01:21:33

can follow Saudi for,

01:21:34 --> 01:21:37

Hara and Hajj, but also for Ramadan. But

01:21:37 --> 01:21:39

most of the time here in the US,

01:21:39 --> 01:21:41

we we follow our own calendar for for

01:21:41 --> 01:21:44

Ramadan. But then for Arafa, there's always a

01:21:44 --> 01:21:46

dispute that the night falls

01:21:46 --> 01:21:48

in in the US on a different day

01:21:48 --> 01:21:49

where the night, of

01:21:50 --> 01:21:52

Durhad will fall on a different day in

01:21:52 --> 01:21:54

in in Saudi. So but then people said

01:21:54 --> 01:21:55

the Arafah is only

01:21:56 --> 01:21:58

in in Saudi. There is no Arafah here,

01:21:58 --> 01:21:59

so we should follow,

01:22:00 --> 01:22:01

Saudi. We can't follow,

01:22:02 --> 01:22:04

the 9th here. It could be 8th in

01:22:04 --> 01:22:06

the US. So wanted to hear your thoughts.

01:22:06 --> 01:22:08

You know, as I mentioned, moon sighting is

01:22:08 --> 01:22:10

not a personal matter. It is actually a

01:22:10 --> 01:22:13

collective thing. You know, leaders are to wherever

01:22:13 --> 01:22:15

you live live, whatever they decide. If they

01:22:15 --> 01:22:18

decide to follow Saudi Arabia, that is fine.

01:22:18 --> 01:22:20

If they don't decide, then you have to

01:22:20 --> 01:22:22

you know, you can't differ from your local

01:22:22 --> 01:22:25

mosque where you pay. So Ramadan starts, maybe

01:22:25 --> 01:22:27

your opinion is to follow Saudi Arabia, but

01:22:27 --> 01:22:28

they choose differently.

01:22:28 --> 01:22:30

Don't differ from the mosque where you pray

01:22:30 --> 01:22:31

because that you go your people are going

01:22:31 --> 01:22:33

to celebrate with them. Your family is going

01:22:33 --> 01:22:36

to be with them. So it this my

01:22:36 --> 01:22:38

advice is for the older, you know, leaders.

01:22:38 --> 01:22:41

They should actually come together one opinion.

01:22:41 --> 01:22:44

But, if they they don't unite, they have

01:22:44 --> 01:22:46

their own opinion to at least, we common

01:22:46 --> 01:22:49

people follow the mosque that we pray. So

01:22:49 --> 01:22:51

in this matter, I'll say, you know, whenever

01:22:51 --> 01:22:53

your mosque announced beginning of Ramadan,

01:22:54 --> 01:22:55

follow that. Similarly,

01:22:55 --> 01:22:58

for the Dhul Hijjah as well. Whenever they

01:22:58 --> 01:23:00

announce Dhul Hijjah, you follow your local mosque

01:23:00 --> 01:23:02

because you're going to do eat with them.

01:23:03 --> 01:23:04

You can't follow the day of Haraf of

01:23:04 --> 01:23:07

Saudi Arabia because you're not going for Hajj.

01:23:07 --> 01:23:08

If you're going for Hajj, you are there,

01:23:08 --> 01:23:09

the different matter. But if you are at

01:23:09 --> 01:23:12

your place, then your 9th, Dhul Hajj will

01:23:12 --> 01:23:15

be, the day before your Eid. That your

01:23:15 --> 01:23:18

Eid, not Saudi Arabia Eid to whatever your

01:23:18 --> 01:23:19

people because

01:23:19 --> 01:23:21

you can't have, you know,

01:23:21 --> 01:23:23

same day anyway because sunset differently,

01:23:24 --> 01:23:24

sunrise

01:23:25 --> 01:23:28

differently. So you should follow your own. When

01:23:28 --> 01:23:31

I fast on 9th, I always fast 9th

01:23:31 --> 01:23:34

of the country where I live. Meaning one

01:23:34 --> 01:23:35

day before dulhaja.

01:23:35 --> 01:23:38

In your country, when you know your masjid,

01:23:38 --> 01:23:39

when they do dulhaja,

01:23:39 --> 01:23:41

just fast one day before that.

01:23:42 --> 01:23:43

Maybe Saudi Arabia that that that is we

01:23:43 --> 01:23:45

don't know really. Tell me,

01:23:46 --> 01:23:48

my advice is the people are the most

01:23:48 --> 01:23:50

they should follow Saudi Arabia, but if they're

01:23:50 --> 01:23:52

not doing that you know for the sake

01:23:52 --> 01:23:54

of community, they want to have their own

01:23:54 --> 01:23:54

opinion

01:23:54 --> 01:23:57

then common people they can't differ from their

01:23:57 --> 01:23:59

own local mosque. You have to follow that.

01:23:59 --> 01:24:01

Is it clear? To for the beginning of

01:24:01 --> 01:24:02

Ramadan, for the Eid,

01:24:04 --> 01:24:05

follow your local mosque.

01:24:06 --> 01:24:07

Following up on,

01:24:07 --> 01:24:09

something that you had mentioned, you know, like,

01:24:10 --> 01:24:12

in non Muslim countries that,

01:24:13 --> 01:24:15

now there's a trend for,

01:24:17 --> 01:24:20

kids in school, not in, you know, regular

01:24:20 --> 01:24:22

schools to try and get,

01:24:22 --> 01:24:24

each recognized as a holiday.

01:24:26 --> 01:24:28

And, I actually have a different example person

01:24:28 --> 01:24:29

that,

01:24:30 --> 01:24:33

my father used to volunteer at a prison

01:24:33 --> 01:24:33

to teach

01:24:34 --> 01:24:36

Islam to the Muslim inmates.

01:24:37 --> 01:24:38

And, you know, he

01:24:39 --> 01:24:41

had to give them the dates ahead of

01:24:41 --> 01:24:42

time,

01:24:43 --> 01:24:45

because, you know, they he couldn't just, like,

01:24:45 --> 01:24:47

for Ramadan or especially for Eid.

01:24:48 --> 01:24:51

He couldn't just say one day before. He

01:24:51 --> 01:24:52

had to give them the full schedule at

01:24:52 --> 01:24:55

a time. So in cases like this, especially

01:24:55 --> 01:24:56

like in

01:24:56 --> 01:24:58

non Muslim countries, I mean,

01:24:59 --> 01:25:01

if I understand correctly,

01:25:01 --> 01:25:04

it's more advisable to follow,

01:25:05 --> 01:25:08

the calendar calculation method so that, you know,

01:25:08 --> 01:25:08

you

01:25:08 --> 01:25:09

you can,

01:25:10 --> 01:25:12

with non Muslim, I guess, entity, you can

01:25:12 --> 01:25:14

let them know that, okay. You know, these

01:25:14 --> 01:25:16

are the dates ahead of time because

01:25:17 --> 01:25:19

even like the school districts, they here in

01:25:19 --> 01:25:21

the US at least,

01:25:21 --> 01:25:24

they plan their calendars out, like, multiple years

01:25:24 --> 01:25:27

in advance. Yeah. No. You're likely I that

01:25:27 --> 01:25:29

why I I really suggest that, you know,

01:25:29 --> 01:25:32

should be, if you follow the calendar, you

01:25:32 --> 01:25:33

know, in advance, it will be so easy

01:25:33 --> 01:25:36

for the schools for everywhere for a holiday.

01:25:36 --> 01:25:37

But the problem is not that me and

01:25:37 --> 01:25:38

you decide.

01:25:38 --> 01:25:41

Problem is really if we you give to

01:25:41 --> 01:25:43

the school the data according to calendar, but

01:25:43 --> 01:25:45

your local mosque and imam, they don't agree

01:25:45 --> 01:25:48

with that. The children children have to pray

01:25:48 --> 01:25:48

Eid in the masjid.

01:25:49 --> 01:25:51

So you make one day Eid in the

01:25:51 --> 01:25:53

school, but the school the actual Eid in

01:25:53 --> 01:25:56

the masjid is something different. The the problem

01:25:56 --> 01:25:57

really is not that what is the best

01:25:57 --> 01:25:58

way

01:25:58 --> 01:26:00

to determine the month. We can find any

01:26:00 --> 01:26:03

best color. The problem to convince local community

01:26:04 --> 01:26:06

that how to agree on the right opinion.

01:26:06 --> 01:26:08

So that that is the problem really easy.

01:26:09 --> 01:26:10

I I mentioned that there are to me

01:26:10 --> 01:26:13

really, there's no harm to follow, you know,

01:26:13 --> 01:26:15

in a scientific calculation

01:26:15 --> 01:26:17

or to do your own moon society. Any

01:26:17 --> 01:26:19

opinion, actually, has got,

01:26:19 --> 01:26:20

in its proper argument.

01:26:21 --> 01:26:23

But the moon society is not really that

01:26:23 --> 01:26:24

problem problem with the organization.

01:26:25 --> 01:26:27

How to make the same day for everybody?

01:26:28 --> 01:26:30

That what people need to learn really.

01:26:30 --> 01:26:32

Like in the UK, UK is a small

01:26:32 --> 01:26:35

country. For whole UK, easily you can accept

01:26:35 --> 01:26:37

one day. You know, all the mosque, they

01:26:37 --> 01:26:39

can agree, okay, there is this, you know,

01:26:39 --> 01:26:40

in London, there is,

01:26:41 --> 01:26:42

you know, this mosque,

01:26:43 --> 01:26:45

which is, you know, we accept it, then

01:26:45 --> 01:26:47

everybody accept the same mosque. There's no harm

01:26:47 --> 01:26:49

in that. They make one in mosque as

01:26:49 --> 01:26:52

your main mosque, and everybody follows that. Or

01:26:52 --> 01:26:53

maybe what happens is

01:26:54 --> 01:26:56

that 3, 4, 5, you know, main mosque,

01:26:56 --> 01:26:57

they make a body,

01:26:58 --> 01:26:59

and they announce

01:26:59 --> 01:27:03

every year, you know, either by, you know,

01:27:03 --> 01:27:05

Ijemaya consensus or by majority.

01:27:06 --> 01:27:08

They vote and they decide then everybody follows

01:27:08 --> 01:27:10

them. To for whole UK, they can make

01:27:10 --> 01:27:12

their own moon sighting committee

01:27:12 --> 01:27:14

for the whole UK. Ten people, twenty people,

01:27:14 --> 01:27:17

whatever. And this committee meets one day before

01:27:17 --> 01:27:18

Ramadan.

01:27:19 --> 01:27:22

And they decide either by, you know, agreeing

01:27:22 --> 01:27:25

on something or by a majority, and then

01:27:25 --> 01:27:27

everybody follows. So there are so many ways

01:27:27 --> 01:27:29

to solve you know, this country is a

01:27:29 --> 01:27:31

democratic country. You can see in the parliament,

01:27:31 --> 01:27:32

they disagree,

01:27:32 --> 01:27:34

but they have got a way how to,

01:27:34 --> 01:27:35

you know, come,

01:27:36 --> 01:27:38

on unity. Then they unite on one opinion.

01:27:38 --> 01:27:40

So why can not we Muslim do? When

01:27:40 --> 01:27:43

our religion unity, it is jamaah, it is

01:27:43 --> 01:27:46

unity, umara, so much actually, in a query

01:27:46 --> 01:27:47

by the prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam. So

01:27:47 --> 01:27:50

the problem really is until we become very

01:27:50 --> 01:27:52

clear that we know how to organize our

01:27:52 --> 01:27:55

matter, nobody can solve. I've seen it 33

01:27:55 --> 01:27:57

years now in this country in

01:27:58 --> 01:28:00

it's not solved. You cannot solve the

01:28:01 --> 01:28:03

problem by argument. You only can solve the

01:28:03 --> 01:28:07

argument when everybody accept to sacrifice their opinion

01:28:07 --> 01:28:09

for the sake of immunity. Everybody said, you

01:28:09 --> 01:28:12

know, bring a formula. We'll follow it. So

01:28:12 --> 01:28:13

I can give a formula. I can say,

01:28:13 --> 01:28:15

okay. Take 1 majeel, and everybody follows that.

01:28:16 --> 01:28:17

It's too easy. Oh, I can make really

01:28:17 --> 01:28:20

follow Saudi Arabia or follow Morocco.

01:28:20 --> 01:28:21

Anything.

01:28:21 --> 01:28:23

You know, you people can make anything, but

01:28:23 --> 01:28:24

you can't make 2 opinions at the same

01:28:24 --> 01:28:27

time. Some people follow Saudi Arabia. Some people

01:28:27 --> 01:28:29

follow Morocco. It is again the same problem.

01:28:29 --> 01:28:31

The unity cannot be achieved if we really

01:28:31 --> 01:28:34

want to unite. And it is so much

01:28:34 --> 01:28:36

ugly, really, in the schools everywhere

01:28:36 --> 01:28:37

that, you know, my children used to go

01:28:37 --> 01:28:40

and everybody that teachers ask. So half of

01:28:40 --> 01:28:42

children say, is it tomorrow? And half children

01:28:42 --> 01:28:44

say easy the day after tomorrow. It looks

01:28:44 --> 01:28:45

very ugly for

01:28:46 --> 01:28:48

us. Why can't we agree? So this is

01:28:48 --> 01:28:51

that what we need to encourage everybody that

01:28:51 --> 01:28:54

leave the argument. Let's agree on a way

01:28:54 --> 01:28:56

that which can unite us more. You know?

01:28:56 --> 01:28:59

And unity on a weak opinion is better

01:28:59 --> 01:29:01

than, you know, disagreement. Always.

01:29:02 --> 01:29:05

Sheikh, just wanted to ask your advice with

01:29:05 --> 01:29:06

regards to

01:29:06 --> 01:29:09

many people now, Sheikh, especially in cities like

01:29:09 --> 01:29:10

Bradford and

01:29:10 --> 01:29:12

others, we have multiple local mosques.

01:29:13 --> 01:29:15

So many people don't have one mosque which

01:29:15 --> 01:29:17

is their determined mustard.

01:29:18 --> 01:29:19

And secondly,

01:29:19 --> 01:29:22

we now have families who are

01:29:22 --> 01:29:24

dividing as well.

01:29:24 --> 01:29:26

So in a situation like that, would you

01:29:26 --> 01:29:27

say that people

01:29:28 --> 01:29:29

can go

01:29:29 --> 01:29:32

with who they think is the right masjid

01:29:32 --> 01:29:34

and part of their family, or would you

01:29:34 --> 01:29:35

say they should look at who's the majority

01:29:35 --> 01:29:36

of their family

01:29:37 --> 01:29:40

going with Fareed? Okay. That's a very good

01:29:40 --> 01:29:42

question, really. I remember once we in Oxford,

01:29:43 --> 01:29:45

we agreed on a date. So the Bengali

01:29:45 --> 01:29:48

community said to us, we can't do that.

01:29:48 --> 01:29:50

I said, why? He said, because we celebrate

01:29:50 --> 01:29:52

Eid with other Bengali people in London and

01:29:52 --> 01:29:54

they have different date. If you have a

01:29:54 --> 01:29:56

date different from London, we cannot do with

01:29:56 --> 01:29:58

you because we want the same day. That

01:29:58 --> 01:30:00

is a very good point, really. That people

01:30:00 --> 01:30:02

have got community, people have got relatives, they

01:30:02 --> 01:30:04

want to visit each other. So these are

01:30:04 --> 01:30:07

the other concern area. So in your case,

01:30:07 --> 01:30:09

you can't do much. But one thing I

01:30:09 --> 01:30:11

can say really, maybe best thing is to

01:30:11 --> 01:30:13

make a meeting among your own family.

01:30:13 --> 01:30:15

I said to your family, let's make one

01:30:15 --> 01:30:16

leader.

01:30:16 --> 01:30:19

And we agree with the tweet and then

01:30:19 --> 01:30:20

pray in the most that they they do

01:30:20 --> 01:30:22

that day to at least family can do

01:30:22 --> 01:30:23

same day.

01:30:24 --> 01:30:26

You know, this one solution, you can make

01:30:26 --> 01:30:29

all your family members, your relatives get together

01:30:30 --> 01:30:33

and let's make either one day, and then

01:30:33 --> 01:30:35

we choose the Moscow that does in that

01:30:35 --> 01:30:35

day.

01:30:35 --> 01:30:38

That could be one solution. But still, really,

01:30:38 --> 01:30:39

it's not going to solve because all your

01:30:39 --> 01:30:41

relatives, they have their own relatives. They have

01:30:41 --> 01:30:43

their own relatives. It's the things actually you're

01:30:43 --> 01:30:46

never going to solve. Solution only can come

01:30:46 --> 01:30:47

if the whole bread food not only the

01:30:47 --> 01:30:49

whole bread food, because bread food has also

01:30:49 --> 01:30:49

reacted

01:30:50 --> 01:30:53

in bottle, somewhere else. You can't make really

01:30:53 --> 01:30:54

in the whole country united.

01:30:55 --> 01:30:56

So anyway whatever

01:30:57 --> 01:30:59

you see good for your family, do that.

01:30:59 --> 01:31:02

Because any solution I bring, it will be

01:31:02 --> 01:31:04

a problem. The only solution can work is

01:31:04 --> 01:31:06

the unity of the whole country. If the

01:31:06 --> 01:31:08

whole country it is small country, tiny country,

01:31:08 --> 01:31:10

just unite. But people don't want to accept

01:31:10 --> 01:31:10

that.

01:31:11 --> 01:31:14

The people writing so much, differing. It is

01:31:14 --> 01:31:15

not a matter of argument. I said so

01:31:15 --> 01:31:17

many times really. Nothing to do with argument.

01:31:17 --> 01:31:20

Every opinion has got argument. It is a

01:31:20 --> 01:31:22

matter of the unity. We learn how to

01:31:22 --> 01:31:25

organize our matters. So unfortunately, I I don't

01:31:25 --> 01:31:27

think I have any solution in in in

01:31:27 --> 01:31:29

the current, you know, way things are going.

01:31:29 --> 01:31:30

We can't solve.

01:31:31 --> 01:31:33

Sheikh, there is a group in the UK

01:31:33 --> 01:31:36

trying to unite everyone on UK moon sighting.

01:31:37 --> 01:31:39

Should we not try to encourage everyone towards

01:31:39 --> 01:31:40

this for the sake of unity as we

01:31:40 --> 01:31:43

have many mosques following Saudi, some following Morocco,

01:31:43 --> 01:31:44

some following Pakistan.

01:31:44 --> 01:31:47

The community is already very divided. Unfortunately, we

01:31:47 --> 01:31:49

don't have the one Mufti for UK or

01:31:49 --> 01:31:51

even London. So in trying to be the

01:31:51 --> 01:31:54

change that we want to see, could we

01:31:54 --> 01:31:56

stick to UK moon sighting group and begin

01:31:56 --> 01:31:59

Ramadan with them even if it means not

01:31:59 --> 01:32:01

celebrating with our immediate community?

01:32:01 --> 01:32:04

Secondly, if we know, for example, that Saudi

01:32:04 --> 01:32:06

couldn't have seen the moon when they said

01:32:06 --> 01:32:08

they had, but followed them anyway,

01:32:09 --> 01:32:11

then how does this affect us trying to

01:32:11 --> 01:32:12

seek later

01:32:12 --> 01:32:14

as the last 10 days would be different?

01:32:14 --> 01:32:16

You know, similarly, if you make a new,

01:32:17 --> 01:32:20

committee or new people in UK UK moon

01:32:20 --> 01:32:23

sighting, there's no harm that. But before they

01:32:23 --> 01:32:25

come with anything, they should make everybody agree

01:32:25 --> 01:32:28

on them. So these people instead of announcing

01:32:28 --> 01:32:30

anything, what they need to do is approach

01:32:30 --> 01:32:32

all the mosque and then take members from

01:32:32 --> 01:32:35

every mosque, every committee, and then the whole

01:32:35 --> 01:32:36

UK agree. Otherwise, it will be new division.

01:32:37 --> 01:32:39

So there are already few divided. Some people

01:32:39 --> 01:32:41

follow Saudi Arabia, some people follow from Morocco,

01:32:41 --> 01:32:42

and now we have new committee.

01:32:43 --> 01:32:45

So this will be new. There's nothing no

01:32:45 --> 01:32:47

unity will come. So this thing really is

01:32:47 --> 01:32:49

a very very bad manner. The second part

01:32:49 --> 01:32:50

of the question I want to,

01:32:51 --> 01:32:52

answer very clearly.

01:32:52 --> 01:32:53

When you follow

01:32:54 --> 01:32:56

a committee or any moon sighting, then don't

01:32:56 --> 01:32:58

worry whether it's right or wrong.

01:32:58 --> 01:33:00

Whatever they decide, that is the right. To

01:33:00 --> 01:33:02

follow-up on people who decide to follow Saudi

01:33:02 --> 01:33:02

Arabia.

01:33:03 --> 01:33:05

Maybe Saudi Arab Arabia has done mistake. Still

01:33:05 --> 01:33:07

that mistake is fine. You know, they will

01:33:07 --> 01:33:09

accept it. Are you fa celebrate? You are

01:33:09 --> 01:33:10

led,

01:33:11 --> 01:33:12

kind to that. But anyway, people who think

01:33:12 --> 01:33:14

that is one single night, they are not

01:33:14 --> 01:33:17

right to lead. It could be any night

01:33:17 --> 01:33:19

among the last 10 nights.

01:33:20 --> 01:33:21

But anyway, people think it's just want to

01:33:21 --> 01:33:24

cement. So you can follow based on that,

01:33:25 --> 01:33:27

opinion. If you accept an opinion,

01:33:27 --> 01:33:29

then that opinion even if it's wrong, it

01:33:29 --> 01:33:32

becomes right. Once the people agree on some

01:33:32 --> 01:33:34

something because they know that how Allah has

01:33:34 --> 01:33:36

made us, you have to follow an opinion.

01:33:36 --> 01:33:38

So if people accept Saudi Arabia, even if

01:33:38 --> 01:33:40

they're wrong, it's too right because, you know,

01:33:40 --> 01:33:42

people can do mistake. And the prophet said,

01:33:42 --> 01:33:43

well, sometimes you had mistake happen. Later on,

01:33:43 --> 01:33:45

a mistake happened and if

01:33:46 --> 01:33:48

by mistake people do,

01:33:48 --> 01:33:51

Arafah on the 8th or 10th, it's still

01:33:51 --> 01:33:53

fine. Hajj is accepted. They don't need to

01:33:53 --> 01:33:55

do Hajj next year. So if Saudi Arabia

01:33:55 --> 01:33:58

moon sighting the one day before everybody, still

01:33:58 --> 01:33:59

fine if people accept.

01:34:00 --> 01:34:03

Mike, you know, only I will encourage people,

01:34:03 --> 01:34:05

you know, accept opinion which can make everybody

01:34:05 --> 01:34:06

to be united.

01:34:06 --> 01:34:09

If not, then at least secondly the opinion

01:34:09 --> 01:34:11

which can bring more people, majority of the

01:34:11 --> 01:34:12

people together.

01:34:12 --> 01:34:14

Any opinion which can make otherwise,

01:34:15 --> 01:34:17

third last thing, follow your own Masjid.

01:34:17 --> 01:34:18

That's all.

01:34:19 --> 01:34:22

Can we take, from the hadith, sunu'alayruyah

01:34:22 --> 01:34:23

tihi?

01:34:23 --> 01:34:24

Can we take,

01:34:26 --> 01:34:28

ruya to mean el in this case? Yeah.

01:34:28 --> 01:34:30

That one meaning because ruya is a mean.

01:34:31 --> 01:34:32

I usually in knowledge anyway because the prophet

01:34:32 --> 01:34:34

said, if it's cloudy,

01:34:34 --> 01:34:36

then complete 30 days.

01:34:37 --> 01:34:39

30th on the 30th also could be cloudy.

01:34:39 --> 01:34:41

Do you see? Don't see. But why you

01:34:41 --> 01:34:43

think the month has ended? Because of knowledge.

01:34:43 --> 01:34:45

You know really month never can be more

01:34:45 --> 01:34:46

than 30 days.

01:34:47 --> 01:34:49

To the reason we say moon sighting because

01:34:49 --> 01:34:52

it is means to knowledge. The knowledge is

01:34:52 --> 01:34:55

the end. Because on 30th, everybody said that

01:34:55 --> 01:34:56

now the month has entered. Not because they

01:34:56 --> 01:34:58

have seen the moon, month, because they

01:34:59 --> 01:35:02

know to what end is actually the knowledge.

01:35:02 --> 01:35:04

If any means which make you to know

01:35:04 --> 01:35:06

the month, that's fine. So like I said

01:35:06 --> 01:35:08

to you that, you know, people are there

01:35:08 --> 01:35:09

in a community, they have made somewhere in

01:35:09 --> 01:35:11

Morocco or the Arabia,

01:35:11 --> 01:35:13

you follow them. That's the knowledge. You follow

01:35:13 --> 01:35:15

them and they decide. They will be accountable

01:35:15 --> 01:35:16

in the day of judgement whether they do

01:35:16 --> 01:35:18

properly or not. If they do properly and

01:35:18 --> 01:35:20

they do mistake, still they get reward.

01:35:21 --> 01:35:23

What is your opinion on observing the new

01:35:23 --> 01:35:24

moon,

01:35:24 --> 01:35:27

through optical aids such as telescopes or binoculars?

01:35:28 --> 01:35:30

Yeah. That's fine. Really. People are always have

01:35:30 --> 01:35:31

been doing this. You know, any means is

01:35:31 --> 01:35:33

fine. What I'm trying to say really, what

01:35:33 --> 01:35:34

you like the believers.

01:35:35 --> 01:35:36

If something can

01:35:37 --> 01:35:37

enlighten the believer,

01:35:38 --> 01:35:39

that'll be fine. You you need to tell

01:35:39 --> 01:35:40

the believers.

01:35:41 --> 01:35:42

But if you see with the telescope

01:35:42 --> 01:35:45

and everybody another people don't like you, so

01:35:45 --> 01:35:47

what's the purpose? Just you make your own

01:35:47 --> 01:35:48

Eid, your own Ramadan.

01:35:49 --> 01:35:50

You know, you have to you have to

01:35:50 --> 01:35:53

make people to like, you know, this UK

01:35:53 --> 01:35:54

moonsighting group.

01:35:55 --> 01:35:58

They only are important if they make everybody

01:35:58 --> 01:35:58

to follow

01:35:59 --> 01:36:01

them, if they contact all the mosque. If

01:36:01 --> 01:36:03

they just make a new group, useless. Nothing

01:36:03 --> 01:36:05

will happen really. Just a a new division

01:36:05 --> 01:36:06

in the society.

01:36:06 --> 01:36:09

Has there ever been a scientific

01:36:09 --> 01:36:09

discrepancy

01:36:10 --> 01:36:12

that was citing the new moon? How can

01:36:12 --> 01:36:15

we that because this scientific calculation are so

01:36:15 --> 01:36:17

accurate. How can there be, like, something different?

01:36:17 --> 01:36:19

They're always same. I don't think there can

01:36:19 --> 01:36:22

be what they say is they can't say

01:36:22 --> 01:36:24

you saw the moon. They say visibility.

01:36:24 --> 01:36:26

It is possible to see the moon, See

01:36:26 --> 01:36:28

the curse. And that what this you can

01:36:28 --> 01:36:29

say, they will say that the, you know,

01:36:29 --> 01:36:32

6 moon was born on that time exactly,

01:36:33 --> 01:36:34

and it will be in this country on

01:36:34 --> 01:36:37

that day that night. So, you know, such

01:36:37 --> 01:36:39

age, they can decide to determine the age

01:36:39 --> 01:36:42

of the moon, but nobody knows really seeing

01:36:42 --> 01:36:42

the moon.

01:36:43 --> 01:36:45

Sheikh, how can we unite in India?

01:36:46 --> 01:36:47

Because in India, we have a lot of

01:36:47 --> 01:36:49

groups. Some said the moon doesn't sight and

01:36:49 --> 01:36:50

others said,

01:36:51 --> 01:36:53

said that they did sight here. How how

01:36:53 --> 01:36:54

will we manage,

01:36:55 --> 01:36:57

presuming lead, they're also adding that India is

01:36:57 --> 01:36:58

quite a big country as well. No. No.

01:36:58 --> 01:37:00

They can agree. They want to just make

01:37:00 --> 01:37:02

one moon sighting in Delhi or something, the

01:37:02 --> 01:37:04

whole committee. But in every India, in every

01:37:04 --> 01:37:06

city, there are moon sighting. And And Ramadan

01:37:06 --> 01:37:08

is coming, you'll see from every city of

01:37:08 --> 01:37:10

India, you'll get a a moon committee deciding.

01:37:10 --> 01:37:12

In Allahabad, there is a moon committee. There

01:37:12 --> 01:37:14

is a in Lucknow, there is a moon

01:37:14 --> 01:37:16

committee. In every city there, do we need

01:37:16 --> 01:37:19

really? No. It's just we need one moon

01:37:19 --> 01:37:21

committee for the whole country and they decide.

01:37:21 --> 01:37:23

But people don't want to follow really. They

01:37:23 --> 01:37:26

want to their own madras is more important.

01:37:26 --> 01:37:29

My madras announce, my school announce, but every

01:37:29 --> 01:37:31

people announce, these people announce, everybody has got

01:37:31 --> 01:37:34

their own group. In this matter they of

01:37:34 --> 01:37:37

the collective thing, they should unite on one

01:37:37 --> 01:37:39

thing. To Ilsa really, if in just a

01:37:39 --> 01:37:41

Muslim or not, for example, will follow,

01:37:42 --> 01:37:44

daily Jamil Masjid, for example, the mosque of

01:37:44 --> 01:37:47

Delhi. That's fine. Then everybody can agree. Or

01:37:47 --> 01:37:49

if you can follow Farangi Mahal, or we

01:37:49 --> 01:37:51

follow Diovan, or we follow Braly,

01:37:52 --> 01:37:54

one group, and then everybody follows that. But

01:37:54 --> 01:37:56

it's not going to happen really. In every

01:37:56 --> 01:37:58

single city in India, they've got their own

01:37:58 --> 01:37:59

moon sighting committee.

01:38:00 --> 01:38:02

What is the ruling on when the night

01:38:02 --> 01:38:05

begins? Some follow the rule after the Adhan

01:38:05 --> 01:38:07

or at the point of when the Adhan

01:38:07 --> 01:38:09

is called, which causes people to differ on

01:38:09 --> 01:38:11

when to start and break the first? No.

01:38:11 --> 01:38:13

Night is very clear, really. As soon as

01:38:13 --> 01:38:14

the sun starts at

01:38:15 --> 01:38:16

night, whether Adan is here or not, there's

01:38:16 --> 01:38:17

nothing to do with Adan.

01:38:18 --> 01:38:19

As soon as the sun sets

01:38:20 --> 01:38:22

you know, on sunset is very clearly known,

01:38:22 --> 01:38:25

then you just do start. That's all. Whether

01:38:25 --> 01:38:27

people say Adan, don't say Adan, it doesn't

01:38:27 --> 01:38:27

matter.

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