Tom Facchine – With Shaykh Usta Discuss i3 Institute

			Bismillah Alhamdulillah wa salatu salam ala salaam aleikum. Hello and welcome back to state of the
Dawa, where we gather local leaders and we try we talk about the American Dawa the Western Dawa the
English speaking Dawa. What are our challenges? Where's our progress? And how can we work better
together today we have a special guest Sheikh Memento Sta. Welcome to the program, a little better
figment of listening shows. So give us a little bit of background for those of you who don't know
you, what are the sort of institutions that you're associated with? What are your projects that
you're currently running Bismillah Allahu Allah him. So I'm the founder of the IT Institute is
		

			Institute's built here in Canada. The focus is really Islamic education but not on an academic level
on a transformational level. We believe in building a Muslim with a mission. We believe in helping
our youth realize really the basic idea of Islam so they can live for it. And insha Allah Subhana
Allah and they meet him and the you know, the struggle for the dean and help establish the deen of
Allah subhanaw taala Mashallah. And you also have several different programs that are like that spin
off of that correct. So you have like, also you have an academy that you're setting up, you have
different brands under that could you just you want to give a little bit of definitely so we haven't
		

			we have a systems focus organization or brand as it is, which is called the versatile Muslim. Okay,
she has a sister only organization they do or their activities locally and a national level, we have
brothers only organization called Muslim manhood. So it's focused on basically building the Muslim
man in all dimensions, five dimensions really the mind the muscles, of the relationship, we call it
marriage, and the money and the mission of Islam. We have also a teenagers organization called
Muslim youth X mix for short. We also have an organization that helps our youth and our young
professionals to basically, you know, get their careers refined and get better basically, at career
		

			building and entrepreneurship and building their businesses. And the latest and the greatest, it
really is the Islamic college that we've just, we're launching right now, next month, allies,
Islamic Academy, and we're offering Sharla bachelor degrees in Islamic studies in Arabic, Arabic
linguistics and in Quranic sciences, in short, nutshell, so that's about how many organizations like
seven, so that's five underneath the eye three Institute. We have few others, basically community
centers. We have a community center here in Brampton, which we are here at right now, which in the
Brampton Muslim community center, we have the watered down Muslim community center in Hamilton. And,
		

			and we have to lay the foundation, which is an Islamic schooling focused organization. Okay.
Mashallah. And how long has this taken you to accomplish? Because it's very ambitious? Like that's
the one thing we spend about a week together at this point. You know, how long has this taken you?
So I've got one more but reserves river river care, which is basically so that was that basically
took us say, this is our 10th here. Next April is our 10th anniversary as a team. Yeah, like the
teams basically built all these organizations, separately with different boards with different
basically missions and and so forth. Yeah. But the first few basically, under the umbrella of that,
		

			I think in situation. I mean, I think definitely spending a week together, I think that there's some
tremendous good that's going on one thing that I noticed, it seems a you have a background in
corporate, and there are several organizations you against, it's one of them, right. And three is
another where I think that people are starting to leverage the best that the corporate world has to
offer when it comes to institution building organization processes systems, and starting to apply
that to data. Because, you know, if you tell somebody, you know, I'm going to start seven
organizations within 10 years, they're gonna have multiple locations, right across the country, like
		

			we just went to Winnipeg, you know, others went to Saskatoon, like, you know, it's extremely
ambitious. But there's something both I think about the corporate corporate ambition, right, which,
obviously, if it's applied to the wrong thing, it's a liability but applied to data, it's actually
quite useful.
		

			And just the the, the mentality, the almost aggressiveness with which you're you believe in your
goals.
		

			I think that there's several, there's several organizations that are starting to leverage that for
the doubt. And that's a really, I see that as a strength on the whole. I also see the youth and the
mobilization that's like, you know, what we I think we tallied the numbers are over 5000 attendees
or around 5000, attendees, all told from every sort of thing that we've done in the in the past
week. So you know, and we've both had conversations offline about the big common complaint that met
masajid have, which is that the 14 to 30 page group is absent. And most of your programs target that
age group, and they actually have mobilized them quite successfully. So that's something that I
		

			think a lot of other organizations should take note of and to see what's working and to continue
down that path of engagement. And I think what you said is is also very true, I noticed that
		

			people, the people that you mobilize are very mission driven. And you give them a sense of mission.
And that is, that's a really important important part. It's not just about making them feel better.
It's not just about giving them what they want. It's not just about sort of, you know, patting them
on the back or, you know, operating at the level of feelings, though. That's okay. That's something
that also has to happen. But I think the most thing that you've gone through is to try to give them
a sense of mission. Correct. And that, that is proven. I think you've proven that that is proof of
concept. It's here.
		

			I want you to talk about what are the weaknesses of the organizations that you run? What are the
things that you need to improve on? What how are you going to fix them? Yeah, so we have many to be
honest.
		

			We had a retreat Leadership Retreat just a month ago, and we listed 25. So I'm just gonna give you
maybe the the main ones, the main ones, I would say, our marketing, and social media presence really
is super weak. Like, you know, even though mashallah, we're making lots of impacts on the ground, we
were very on the ground organization, and mindset, like I love to work with people to help people
transform their lives. And that takes, you know, person to person human to human interaction. Yeah.
If I'm just gonna, you know, put a video on YouTube or IG. Yeah, it might be stirred some thoughts
and so forth. But that person needs support, like, transformation does not happen without
		

			mentorship, right? Those wasila mentored the Sahaba, Yolanda and the Sahaba mentored the tabular in
the Tibetan mentored the Tibet, Debian that works. Yeah, now, just Islamically, I was just say,
basically, I was, I was in a training basically, for for management long time ago, at one of the big
corporations here in Canada. And within the leadership training, the professor or whoever basically
was in the video, gave the example of leadership development, like spilling water in a cup, right?
If you want to basically before up there and just put all the cups on the ground, every couple get a
little bit of water, you know, and, but if you want a great leader, he's like, you get the cup close
		

			to the bottle, and you fill it in, meaning the closeness between the bottle of the mentor and the
cup, the student needs to happen for leadership development or happen. And that's really our focus,
our focus is to develop leaders. Now. I think I believe basically, we cannot be very skewed to that
direction, we need to balance it out. And now we're trying to focus in sha Allah, with the help of
people like yourself and Pamela hijab and giving us lots of advice. Michelle, in the last six days,
we're going to reorient to basically focus on our marketing infrastructure. And the social media
presence number two, is financial. I think basically, Michelle, I think Institute's like your
		

			cleaning, and many others, have great financial strategies. And I believe basically financials,
we've been able to make some breakthroughs and last for years now last round to Allah, like, for
example, we helped the watered down Islamic school, just with your help and Hamilton job is helping
everybody else to fundraise and hamdulillah we've been able to the team been able to fundraise
enough money for for their school to run. So you know, we're trying to figure things out, but
definitely finances and and, you know, financial revenue streams, is is another weakness. What's
something that you feel like you personally can improve on three things basically, for next year? I
		

			need to start writing I think, basically, I've neglected writing because I was leading. I was on the
operational side, I did not really, you know, do much writing. And number two, I need to basically
be on social media myself, I think. I give lots of lectures, many things are recorded, not in the
best way. So again, that's part of our media strategy to perfect it. You know, I have some audios
here, bad audios here, bad, you know, some bad cell phone footage here, right? So I need to I need
to improve in having that presence. And number three is finishing my studies. I think I'm neglected
my studies and a lot to be honest. Basically, that's a common thing. I'm paying anybody in
		

			leadership. There's that responsibility and the weight of responsibility to do Dawa, to inspire
others to give even if we know our own shortcomings, but we want to give what we have. But then if
all you're doing is giving and institution building and you know, then you we put ourselves and our
own development on the backburner. 100 personnel spent a lot No, I think we all feel that. There's
an outside perception and and several people reached out to me before coming here. There's a
perception.
		

			There's a perception that that three is divisive. There's a perception that it's sort of staging
coos across mshs and things like that. There's a perception that i Three is really just a
continuation of his material or as a front some sort of front for his pizzeria or rebrand.
		

			How you respond to things like that? Yeah. So I responded to that in another podcast last month with
the three Muslims. I'd love to basically do it one more time here. So let's take it there's many
questions here. Number one, the divisiveness, the MSA issues and the husband of yours. Let's go with
it. First of all, as an ayah, three organization we have a belief system that we really believe in,
which is being able to see the positivity in everybody. Okay. Okay. So we start with that because he
divisiveness and sectarianism is is a heart issue. You have to hate the others. You have to look
down upon others for
		

			For you to be Secretary, you have to exclude others. So it goes from the heart and to be until you
get to the exclusion. Now we handed out a bill. And I mean, you know,
		

			we can see positivity in husband day, we can see also some of their gaps Speak, speak a little bit
just about so what are some of the gaps that you saw or see in the hospitality or movement? Because
because people are assuming that, you know, maybe you don't think that there's any they think that
it's a one to one here. So definitely, just speak to that just a little bit. So the three main gaps
I've seen has been to hear number one is the lack of Teskey. Framework. What does that mean? Lack, I
don't want to be misrepresented here, basically. But definitely, there's a lack on an organizational
level, meaning the organization does not oversee the task via development of the individuals, but
		

			does basically to unlock tasks. Importantly, go seek it out.
		

			Same thing, same thing with personal development, personal development important.
		

			Excuse me, they'll point it out. But they say look, you know, go and seek it on your own. Most
people cannot do it on their own. That's true. People need mentorship, people need programs, people
need curriculums, people need direction. Yeah. So they're very weak at that. Number two. So let's
get the person to Romans one. Number two is community service has been to Haiti, they see themselves
as a political movement, and therefore basically, they only do what political movements do from
their perspective. Okay, so there's 00 Community Development is our community engagement, community
service, we're all about that. Number three, is is the way basically kind of they think about, like
		

			changing societies, I think is one dimensional, they focus on the political side, let's say, right,
and they don't focus as much on like developing, you know, the influentials within society. So
really, the, these are the main three things where I believe they are gaps that has been to here,
and it will stifle their growth, right. And you used to be very, very involved, I think you said for
20 years. And you left essentially write five years ago, or five years or so, you know, that might
you know, for so from outsider's perspective, you know, you might be
		

			trained in a way in a language that for other people, they might be still seeing you in a certain
light, but at least you're you're saying that you've seen deficiencies, and you've you're trying to
move past those deficiencies and actually fix those deficiencies in the organizations that you're
doing. And the second thing that you're saying is like so that you're saying, Yes, we love selfies,
we love Sufis, we love deobandis, we love Valerie's we love you know, all these different groups.
		

			This is really, I think, important, you know, when it comes to the, you know, the state of the Dow
and trying to patch things together.
		

			There's a lot of talk, you know, we let me put it this way. We've just started talking about the
need for you, especially with Philistine everything's happening the Philistine I think things are
crystallizing for a lot of people how significant and the consequences of both being disunited and
being united? Sure. So how do we put our money where our mouth is? How do we walk the walk, because
it's good. Now, a lot of people are talking about unity. And yet, we don't see a lot of
collaboration, right. And when we were in a closed session, meeting with some of your students, that
was one of the things I challenged them with, right, I said, think about, I want to see an eye three
		

			event where both Sufis and Salah fees are present, and everybody has a good time. Nobody runs away
being, you know, tech feared or to be or anything like that. So how are if you haven't done it
already? Or if you have done it already? How are you going to walk the walk? How are you going to
put your money where your mouth is, and try to reach out to and collaborate with all these different
groups in mail. bless y'all, America. So first of all, we've done it before we've done many times,
we invited people from different, you know, segments of the community that's being done that, that
being said, let me start with like, maybe, let's say, you know, at least self, you know,
		

			humility, really like, you know, being able to humble ourselves.
		

			Like we, with the Salafi sector specifically, they see everybody else as Muqtada anybody who's
actually anybody who's mentally and that's literally like a big, huge chunk of the Ummah, definitely
way but more than majority that 50%. So, you know, to be honest, I criticize that attitude, right?
And maybe I over criticize it, let's say, or let's say you just criticize it. And I think today
basically, maybe criticism to either say a bad behavior might not lead to the outcome that I even
intended, which is trying to change that behavior, right? What happens basically, when I criticized
some of the some of them, not all of you, some of the stuff is good, not all services are the same.
		

			They criticize back and they got hurt and blah, blah. I'm like, This is what you're doing to others.
That's number one. Number two, right now, as we said, a few days ago, in front of all my students, I
look right now what we want to do is to give love to people. Yeah, it's fabulous. He asked for the
lady by Nicole Weiner, who I don't know, well, you and me. Choose the better path which is basically
send love to those who basically HATE YOU to this, some of the segment of the selfies will hate
everybody or will hate basically many other people and we're going to reciprocate with love until
inshallah one day they become very close to us and love the OMA. So this is something I've done
		

			wrong. Then here basically publicly maybe for the first time. I say this is something that we've
done wrong that we criticize, that even criticism of bad behavior, if it doesn't lead to the right
intended objective, then we should stop
		

			So I realized that and I'm stopping to Allah, we're gonna reciprocate hate with love. In terms of
basically like getting everybody we have insha Allah hopefully in April, we're gonna invite people
from all different segments. We don't have you know who Annie's selfies do when the Sufis Bray
Louise, you know, everybody in a conference where basically we can start putting our hands together,
right, and respecting the differences. Okay, that's great. Um, what about diversity within AI?
Three? Right. So one of the things that I reflect on, I'm thinking a lot about the the differences
or the similarities between different organizations? And
		

			is there an argument to be made that in order to sort of achieve some of this unity, we also have to
have that internally, right like that, you know, like I three maybe has a particular sort of flavor
or particular model, and you don't want to dilute your model or the things that you're leaving, but,
you know, accepting some internal diversity as well might be another avenue to explore. What do you
think about that? Oh, 100%, I think is has some truthfulness to it. I think basically, at the end of
the day, if you diversify everything, you don't get anything. So you do have to have some
homogeneous. The reason Islam allows having different movements and different action groups and
		

			different you know, motherhood is not for the Maliki's to bring some chef as an Hanafis n so that
they diversify their mother but want to be Maliki's anymore. So, but that being said, we have
students who basically that we have teachers or teachers, instructors who come in from different
backgrounds, that we align on certain things we agree upon, because this is this is like the this
thing with the framework that we're going to work together. Yeah. Because what is it? What is what
is obligation from Allah is its collaboration? Yes, not intellectual concepts.
		

			So definitely, you have some truth to that, but definitely not. It's a good point. I agree. I know,
there's a certain degree, you know, but obviously, you know, if if your mission is tailored to, you
know, some specific beliefs, then it has to have a certain uniformity of mission on the inside.
Okay, well, the one thing I think you didn't address was the MSA issue. That was something I heard
from several people. Yeah, definitely, definitely is unfortunate looks. When I was in the MSA. In
the late 90s, early 2000. I was elected to become one of the leaders of the MSA. In the Anaga
inauguration speech I told today from today, this MSA so everybody is for the believers, the Sufis
		

			the Salafi is the 20s. And the 30s. I wanted to serve in a way basically where I include everybody I
believe in including everybody. Yeah. Since then, until today, nothing changed. Unfortunately, what
happens basically, some MSA are still on this sectarian mindset. They went when people will say,
like Aquinas will basic, for example, will will will push away all the salaries, salaries definitely
will push out with all the Sufis 100% 100% rate service will push the service away from 100. So it
happened to our we have lots of students who live we have over a couple 1000 stood maybe even 3000
students in Canada alone. So they're all over campus. So when they want to basically like become
		

			engaged in the MSA, and MSA knows that these are three if they're, if they're their sectarian
organization, sectarian leadership, they'll push them away. So they always basically end up saying,
well, we need to, you know, again, choose me get to the position. So we can also basically have a
say, and so forth. And that creates tension. So this is a problem. I don't have a solution for I
think, basically, there's two solutions from my perspective, either every Jamar builds his own MSA
and clearly says, This is my Salafi MSA. This is a 20 MSA stopped trying to hijack everybody, stop
trying to be a tyrant on campus. Stop trying to basically oppress Muslims, just because you differ
		

			with their opinions outmaneuver each other. Yeah, it's become like, it's a waste of energy instead
of doing the hour, and serving the populace, and there's no continuity, either or basically, or just
basically be able to solve the disease, which I think is gonna take time. Yeah. So I believe right
now on public, I believe that no, I think we should be able to have different clubs with different
this is what's gonna at least this, this engaging from each other will at least relieve the
friction. But even then, when you do that, you're gonna get criticized. So Subhanallah Nia, May
Allah help us? Yeah, I mean, now, that's important. And, you know, I think that this is something
		

			that the college students are going through the same thing that the post college students are going
through exactly. Right. So it's kind of microcosms one or the other. But there have been a lot of, I
think, promising, I think there's been a lot of promise when it comes to starting to turn this
around. And, you know, I was very touched by your reflections on your own sort of mistakes that you
made that you you know, share those with the students in a very candid way. I think everybody needs
to be able to have those sorts of, you know, candid reflections and take criticism, I know, you've
taken a lot of criticism face to face this week.
		

			Some of us more than others,
		

			you know, but honestly, it's like, when it comes to approaching each other and having that channel
open, as opposed to what has been the norm up until now, which is avoidance hedge, you know, you
know, criticizing just, you know, shouting into the wind, basically, you know, staying in our silos,
it's very comfortable to stay in our silos are comfortable to stay with the people that already
agree with you, you know, are the people that are you know, it's challenging. community life is
challenging. Like actually being
		

			With people who actually disagree with you on fundamental things is very, very challenging. Yes, you
know, and some people, as I said, they even criticize me for even coming here in the first place.
But you know, I also disagree with that attitude. And one thing that, you know, I'll have to, you
know, circle back to some of the people who reached out to me, I think that you need to have face to
face, I think that sometimes we we live too much online. I think that, you know, when you watch
things from a distance, you tend to, there are certain narratives that you can tend to believe or
fall for more easily. When you get in person, you know, you talk in person behind closed doors, off
		

			camera and things like that, you get the sense for people's personalities, so you get the sense for
what their missions is, what their background is, you've shared your part of your life story, like
what this means to you. Right, so then we see each other, we can assess each other's strengths
separately, you know, be frank about each other's weaknesses, look for opportunities, right to help
each other. And the thing is, and this is something that Sheikh Abdullah and PT used to teach us in
Medina that I tried to take as my strategy is that it's better, it's better to take your brother by
the hand, and help them to be better than it is to just stay away from them and criticize them.
		

			Right. So you know, there's things that you know, whether it comes to Yaqeen Institute, or whether
it comes to AI three, when it comes to any of the institute's, you know, I really believe that this
is the way forward that we have to take each other by the hand and say, hey, you've got this going
on, or you've got this going on. And this is really like how you can improve just out of necessity,
right? And we throw this word around a lot, but this is something that is becoming a Hoja Elena what
a Selena this is something that is becoming something that is in an indictment on us that we give it
so much lip service, but we're so ineffectual, we're not practicing the actual what it looks like to
		

			have no see how towards each other. So I thank you for the opportunity for having me come here in
the first place and give me feedback. And, and I hope that everybody learns, you know, this is part
of an education and why we do these things in front of cameras, eventually, is to educate the people
who are watching, right, because it trickles down. You know, I you know, you can take a sports
analogy, I make a lot of sports analogies, that if you see behavior from the teammates, it means the
coach is allowing it. Yeah, right. The coach has set the tone for the team, whether it's mockery,
bad sportsmanship, you know, good sportsmanship, whatever. At the end of the day, it comes back to
		

			the coach, the coach has a responsibility to set the culture, right. And so as daddies as people who
are at the head of, of organizations, or people who are, you know, you know, high up in
organizations, we have a responsibility to set the tone and the culture for the data and educate
people and show people that this is what it looks like, you know, for me to go and do a tour and a
talk with people I don't 100% agree with or institutional 100% agree with is is an education for
people, for you to invite people that you have, you know, fundamental bitter disagreements with to
certain programs, there's an education for people. And if we have
		

			Zella, right, if we have shortcomings and gaps where we're not 100% applying this, then inshallah
we're trying and bear, you know, bear with us and be patient with us because we're also trying to
overcome our personal weaknesses in in doing that 100% So I asked last month out to make you
successful, to put vodka in your Dawa then in all of our data and to bring it to a live Pinnacle
Albina right to put our hearts together and so but to help us finally come together so that we can
move forward as one OMA inshallah. So, with that, I think we'll close out the thing.
		

			today.
		

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