Can God Have A Son Part 2

			If you notice right here, it's talking about in the Old Testament, you see this word has this
reference to a bygone song. But it's not even talking about Jesus start with. Here's another
reference to some sons of God in the plural. We're looking at that. When we put this together with
this, and then we start loving it. Hold on, hold on one second sheet. Let's get the audience and the
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			On the deen show, where we try to bring you a new topic, first topic every week and a special guest.
And today, we're sitting with Chef use of estas, former Christian Christian minister, preacher and
we're talking about, Can God have a son? What does the scripture say about God having a son will
any, this is an excellent topic. And it's not one that you're going to just jump on real quick and
run away from because you're going to stir up a lot of Hornets on this one. And the reason for that
is because people have been told for many, many, many centuries, not just years, centuries, that
there is a son of God. This is a popular notion amongst the Christians. But it's also a notion among
		

			some other religions as well. Some of them talk about God having sons and daughters and gods that
are sons of Daughters of other gods. Of course, that's Greek and Roman mythology, you have a God
called mithras, which actually is in a lot of ways influencing the teachings of the early Catholic
Church. You have another god that comes to us from the early Egyptians, who also has this Mother,
Father, Son, God, triangle or Trinity relationship. But what we want to talk about specifically now
does scripture. Does scripture really offer this notion, the actual scriptures, and and it's going
to be my contention, that it's not, it's not true. First of all, and this is very important to know
		

			that those scriptures were not revealed in English language. So it's very unfair to have a dialogue
talking about translations of something that you know, good, and well, there's no way that was ever
in the English language. So you must immediately now go back to something that you translated from,
if you go back to the Latin, and you want to talk about the Latin translations or the translations
to English from Latin, you're going to immediately find serious problems, even if you go all the way
back to the time of Jerome, when he did the Latin vulgate. Because this as as an historical document
is a fabulous thing. But as far as being 100%, accurate, the Catholic Church themselves have said,
		

			we would never use this as the actual reference point for the Bible. But it is a historical document
and a great document it is there's no doubt about it. What we want to say here now is that the Bible
has it came in the original form, doesn't exist today. Now, that should not be evidence for somebody
to give up their faith and walk away, I don't want that. I I've seen it happen to some of the
scholars. In fact, most of the scholars, when they get to that point, they just give up and say,
Okay, I'll be a Bible scholar, but I'm not going to be a Christian anymore. And one of the case in
points that we've talked about in some of your other programs, for those who didn't know it, Bart
		

			Ehrman is his name was a real born again, I guess, Christian, believing in the Bible as the absolute
and positive word of God, and studied at the Moody Bible Institute here in Chicago. But then when he
goes off to Princeton and learns from the archeological finds the real manuscripts with a hands on
application, he says, none of this is the real deal anymore. We've been lied to. And this is not
just a matter of filling in the blanks. This is a man who went
		

			originals and copies of the copies that are highly respected even today in his field. Now what he
says in his books, and you can purchase these at Barnes and Noble borders, books or music amazon.com
is it called amazon.com? Where they have Yeah, you can go there and get these books and read them
for yourself and he's talking about lost Christianity's he's talking about misquoting Jesus. These
are the titles of his books, you can see for yourself, and he's saying we don't have a copy of a
copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of anything that came from an original source. But the bad news,
the really bad news is he became an atheist totally gave up on God. And this is what we don't want
		

			what Muslims but we don't want Christians to give up. We're Muslims, but we don't want the Jews to
give up. We don't want anybody to give up.
		

			Faith, we totally believe in God. But what we're offering here is not an apologetic view. We're not
apologists, what we are saying is we can show you some very important information from scripture
scriptures that are still authentic today. The scripture what I'm talking about now is the
recitation of God's words, recitation to the angel Gabriel, that same angel who brought recitation
to the prophets before brought that same type of
		

			recitation to Jesus peace be upon him, and then finally to Muhammad peace be upon and it's called
the recitation. Our core on means the recitation, it doesn't mean a book that you write down and you
know,
		

			fold up in your pocket. Although you can write down the Arabic of the Quran, the real Quran is
what's recited, memorized and taught, from generation to generation. Okay, and what's being recited
today, memorized today is exactly the same as it was 1400 years ago and is revealed. So I'm giving
first and foremost, some credit here to Scripture, saying that the Quran is still extent, and you
can go to it, and you can rely on it because we have 10 million human beings plus, who have totally
memorized it, and they're all ages from six to 96. And they have totally memorized it around the
world, different languages, still, they've all memorized the exact same way. It's not there's not
		

			two different neurons out there. Okay. The next thing is in the Quran itself.
		

			It says that it is a revelation from God. It says it is the recitation of God. And it says that the
previous revelations were also in the past tense, it says that this window is going to be preserved,
preserved, and we know that God's preserving it. And we know also from Islam, that he will preserve
this until the sun rises from its point of setting, meaning that the sun will rise up in the West
instead of the East. And until that happens, we still got the Quran. And by the way, this morning,
here in Chicago, where the deen show is being broadcast from we know that the sun came up from the
east hamdulillah Bella amin for that. I want to look now to what we have from the English of the
		

			Bible and help people understand something about what we can prove even though it's English, even
translation, you said your last resort, we can still prove some things because we do have something
that's authentic, which is the Quran. Okay, if we look to Psalms chapter two, verse seven, you have
a clear statement. This is in the Old Testament called the zoo in the Arabic language. It says,
Here's David, David is addressing the congregation. He's turning his face, he's blessing the
congregation. This is something he did other places above you see, did that. And he's stating
something to them about an amazing day that this is, this is the day that he and God are having this
		

			special relationship. He's saying,
		

			I will proclaim the decree of the Lord. He mean, the Lord said to me, You are my son, and this day I
have begun you.
		

			Clear? Now who's been gotten here,
		

			David, this is a relationship if you use it for Jesus, what needs to be first of all, hold on. If I
want to jump forward to the New Testament, and go to john 316. We have For God so loved the world
that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have
everlasting life. There's a lot of holes in this immediately, you seen that he sent his only
begotten Son, it doesn't say Jesus. And if it's only if you're saying only then it must be David.
Because clearly in the Old Testament long before Jesus was born, it already said that the Begotten
Son of God is who favorite
		

			of David's to be gotten son got a problem here? No, no problem at all. You're just saying that
you're worshipping the wrong guy. Now you need to shift and start worshipping David because it
doesn't say Jesus, his only begotten Son referring back then I guess did to seven. But no, hold on a
second. That's not the only place.
		

			If you thought it was this is another mistake.
		

			Go back and look in Genesis six to Genesis six two says, the sons of God.
		

			That's plural. Now this is way back. This is way, way, way back before Abraham before all of the
prophets. It's saying the sons of God. So the daughters of men.
		

			What does that mean? It says that you got to kind of creations here and found them to be fair and
took them to wed and went in unto them.
		

			maintain them to wet and have, you know, * with them. And from these are coming, the
mighty men of old etc, etc, and it goes on but the point we're trying to make here, what is this
sons of God?
		

			Now let's go to chapter two in the book of Job, the book of Job chapter two, and it says here that
the sons of God, were going to and fro from the earth up to heaven back and forth. Now some have
said, Well, those are angels.
		

			Well, why didn't say angels? And if you said, well, Son of God here means Angel, then how do you
apply that to David? was David an angel? And how do you apply to Jesus? Is Jesus an angel, and is an
angel, then he's not a man.
		

			So I'm trying to explain to you that the document that you're holding here and saying, This is the
absolute Word of God, that absolute Word of God you got doesn't say Jesus is the only begotten Son,
it says, the only begotten Son, but he didn't say, Jesus. And if it's only you get to go back to
chapter two, verse seven, or you can go all songs, you can go on and on quoting, different verses
that are referring to sons of God, Son of God, from any of the led by the Spirit, or the sons of
God, so many places, why do people take this exclusively for Jesus? Well,
		

			I think it's because it's what they're taught. This is I don't know, like, well, I grew up hearing
the same thing myself, I preach the same thing, because that's what I was taught. But you see, I
never completed seminary school I didn't go in, like my father is was ordained minister. And he told
us from the very early on, the Bible is the inspired Word of men. God has inspired men to write and
they've written that's how you justified it. And that makes a lot of sense. But if you said the
Bible is absolute Word of God, and it's got mistakes in it, wow, you get a problem. There are
contradictions in the English translation of the Bible that are very clear. However, if you go back
		

			to the older manuscripts you're going to find they didn't say that to start with. And then if you go
way back, if we could go way back and find the originals, which can't, you'd find it there was
probably no contradiction at all. Certainly not in the very original there wouldn't be. So
		

			let us talk about Jesus for a minute or two and think about this.
		

			It was a matter of decided, a matter that was voted on decided and confirmed by the Council of Nicea
in the year 325. Ad. This is when it was alleged that that
		

			Jesus is officially going to be called Son of God. Let's look at it. Let's go back a little bit, you
know, for the person that the layman, okay? Not the preacher or the person that really knows the
scriptures, the person like, who's just using his common sense, when you say that God had a son, now
you have God, and He has a son. Now you have two Gods Don't you know, you have a problem here for if
I'm using my rationale to think and I say, How can this be now you have two Gods because obviously
the son the baby is going to grow up to be like the Father. So how does? How do you deal with this?
Now? Were you contemplating thinking about this as being a former Christian minister? Would you get
		

			stuck like thinking I wouldn't allow my mind to go there? I would just stop, stop, stop, just full
stop. Another thing is, if you really want to think about it, and again, I wouldn't let my mind go
there. If God can have a son, a male who is
		

			anatomically correct his anatomy, his male anatomy, if you follow what I'm saying, Yeah, so why
can't he have a daughter? Why can't Why can't he have more? I mean, son, and why a son? Why not a
daughter, a daughter is, you know, has the capability of having more offspring. Does this mean God
is female? And some have alleged that God is female?
		

			And what I'm saying is that God is neither male nor female, because is what we know in in the word
Allah itself. God is not a man, and he's not a woman. That's what it actually comes down. That's a
good point. Because if you say he had a son also, now he's a male, and you've given him a gender,
possibly, okay? Well, you'll give him both of your own money. You're opening a door a whole door for
just confusion. You want to talk about what is some of the women livers today? My sister happens to
be one of them. She says the Bible needs to be rewritten and everywhere it says creation, God
created a ministry she created not he said, she said, Well, women are the ones who create not men.
		

			Men are pro creators. The women are the creators and coordinator. That's why when God Almighty says
in his last and final revelation to mankind the Quran, no, God does not have sons. He does not have
daughters. He has nothing like his Christian. This fits now for him so something I muted Well, I
will let you live. Let him you live will not be live. God is
		

			Not the son of anything. God is not the father of anything. And I'm using it that way. Because if
you go back now and look in numbers in the Old Testament numbers, 2319 2319 numbers, here's what it
says, God is not a man
		

			that he should sin. God is not the Son of man that he should repent. It makes total sense. Let's
take a break and we'll be right back on the show.
		

			Welcome back to the D show we left off, he does not be get Norris he begun which Oh my god, we're
talking about God and he doesn't get he doesn't he's not forgotten and simplified that he is not the
father anyone, nor does he have any children. And for him to will something he basically says Be and
it is. This is simple. It's simple to diagnose, diagnose, okay, let's go back to the early, early,
early times of the Christian church. Now, this is a matter of fact, that one of the early father's
Church Fathers areas, he had this idea that Jesus was created and not be gotten. Jesus was created
and not be gotten. We've already discussed the fact that the Bible didn't say it was Jesus when it
		

			talked about the garden anyway, it clearly states David is the Forgotten Son of God. Okay, so
whatever that means,
		

			okay. It's not talking about Jesus, because even in john 316, it doesn't say Jesus just says
Begotten Son, only begotten Son. And now we have areas saying that, no, God didn't bigot, and at
least not Jesus, because he says Jesus is created for this, he was considered a heretic. And he and
his followers were horribly persecuted by the church. And then 325 ad, the church, the Catholic
Church, which came into being at that time, officially, and totally confirmed that, in fact, Jesus
was begotten, and not created. So they went the other way. And that's on their website, you can go
to their website and see it for yourself.
		

			There's another statement we find in the Bible, too. And this is coming in john 1038, attributed to
Jesus says, but if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles that you may
learn and understand that the Father is in Me, and I am in the Father. But what does that mean?
another statement in john 410? Don't you know that I am in the Father and the father's in me the
words that I say to you are not my own. Rather, it is the father living in me who is doing this
work. But now watch, this will go down to same exact chapter, which is chapter 14, are you going to
do is go 10 more verses? This is 1420. It says, On that day, you will realize that I am in the
		

			Father, I am in my Father, and you are in me.
		

			And I mean, you are what does that mean? Those of you want to use boarded the Bible, but not the
rest of the Bible. What are you doing, you're not being rational anymore. If you want to have a
rational discussion, you have to be willing to look at all the evidences. And it's in the same
chapter in the same gospel, saying, and I'll repeat it on that day, you will realize that I am in
the Father in my father, and you are in me, and I am a new
		

			Hmm. So does this mean that the disciples are somehow living inside of Jesus? And if so, are they
also sons of Gods? Or are they God's was the strongest disciples? And what about them? The people
they preach to? Did they get to live in those people doing those people are living in them? And how
does that work? And why they exclusive activity? How come only some people get this living in deal?
You know, what kind of how do you rent out your body that somebody else can live in it? I don't
know. It means that obviously, you don't know because you're taking a translation of a language,
which is translated from another language. And in between, you have many, many copiers, and copyist
		

			as they're called, who have an maybe an old good intent still made a lot of mistakes. So you cannot
rely on this. And it doesn't even make sense if you tried to say it like that. Let's let's start to
give people because we're almost running out of time, the alternative now, we we we want to show
people that Islam came to clear all the confusions a lot of confusion over this. And Islam makes it
clear. You don't have to be confused anymore. Can we go into what Islam says about this whole thing?
A little deeper? Okay. The conclusion is even in the prayer of Jesus Himself, that we find even in
the Bible today, he says, The pray for God's will to be done. He didn't say pray for my will. He
		

			said, pray for God's will. He himself is praying to God, why? And how, how could you be praying to
God and asking, and even in the prayer itself, saying, even so, this is what I want, but even so, I
don't want the cup, you know, but even so your will be done. Your will he said that. For us? We know
in court
		

			On that Jesus is saying, peace be upon me the day I'm born. And the day that I die, and the day that
I'm raised up again, he's saying this, he is talking about he was born, he's talking about he's
gonna die. And God is not born and God doesn't die. So there's not a god. And he's not the Son of
God. And he's a prophet. He's a mighty Prophet, a miracle birth, yes. And he's telling us, worship
your God and my God, your Lord, and my Lord, that is from Koran, and go look, in the Bible, you find
he said the same thing. No, O Israel, the Lord your God is One Lord. And you have to love him with
all your mind, all your strength and all your heart. How am I going to do that? If I split part of
		

			that love for Jesus? In Part Four, it doesn't work.
		

			How and why didn't he say you love me and God? He said, No, oh, Israel, the Lord your God is One
Lord. Now someone's gonna say, where's the reference for that? It's in Mark chapter 12, verse 29,
Mark 1229. We've got all of this, this documentation is on our websites, you can go to our website,
you can see it for yourself. 911911 Bible Bible, that's your website. This is what we got. Okay,
thank you. Thank you again, for being with us on today's show. Always a pleasure. And I'd like to
thank everybody who's been watching us every week, a new show, on the deen show where we try to
bring you a new topic, tackle these very important issues, and I hope that you've gotten to benefit.
		

			Remember, you need a humble heart, an open mind. And like the sheriff said, The wise man who's here
with us today. Look at the evidence. Stop just filling in the blanks. Stop just going along with
with everybody's going along, stop. Use your brain. It's not that difficult.
		

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