Shadee Elmasry – Muslims Don’t Care About the Palestine Movement
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fellow Muslims if you care about Palestine just because of an Aqsa
and distort our anti colonial struggle as religious, so you're
disturbed and not better than Zionists, you fantasize
Palestinians and are driven by your religious ideas. So I think
this is a nasty attack on the worldview of a Muslim, who
is he? He's
trying to go about this because of his religious belief, because
Allah subhanaw taala commanded us about right and wrong, number one,
and about the special place of AXA. Number two, so it's not
solely because of AXA, x is not in China, but we care about the
Uyghurs upstairs not in India, but we care about the Muslims in
winter production in other places. So it seems to me that it's a bit
excessive her thing she's like, so if you're not anti colonialists,
in your mindset, you're nothing like
you're just like a Zionist. What are your thoughts on that? I'll
actually, respectfully correct the sister by saying that Zionism in
and of itself, is Islamophobic. And so by you standing in front of
Zionism, you have to be pro Islam, whether you like it or not, and,
at the core of it, Zionist aim to destroy the land, the Holy Land of
Muslims. And that's what we see from this current administration
is that they are bombing our masajid, they are bombing our
places of worship, they are raising them on a weekly basis,
they're not letting our brothers and sisters pray a regular drum
masala. And we know especially especially throughout the year,
that when it comes to Ramadan, when it comes to our most holy
times during the year, Zionist escalate their attacks. And so
from an activist point of view, from anyone that is standing, so
called against colonization, you have to realize that you have to
do counter attacks to that by supporting it so so much more by
supporting our brothers and sisters in Palestine, and the
Muslim and Islamic movement, so much more in and of itself. And
then also, I want to say that the media and you mentioned this has
played this idea of what a Muslim is, to so many people, that even
people within the movement fall into that a that you can be anti
colonial, and you can't be religious at the same time, which
is, which isn't true at all you can be you must be anti colonial
and pro Islam and pro liberation at the same time. And that is how
we achieve success. But if you're willing to take out one over the
other, especially religion, you can take out colonialism you can
you can be pro colonialism. And I've seen this can be broken up
colonialism, but pro religion, but because religion is that your
court, eventually you'll be anti colonial, because religion is what
dictates your movements moving forward. Yes, so did you do you
ever talk to someone like her? Do you? Do you communicate with her
and try to like,
get it understand your prospects very often where, for example,
we're at a rally. And this is a very, there's a very regular chat
that we sometimes say we say La ilaha illallah wa Shaheed
Habibollah, for example. Yeah, and brothers and sisters would come up
to us after, and they ask us to something they shouldn't, when you
ask them why they're saying, you're making the movement to
religious, and you're, you're pushing away people from it. And
the reality is, a lot of these people that actually come up with
these remarks are Muslim as well. But I am certain that they are
missing a certain piece within their faith that requires religion
to be the foundation in anything that we do, regardless of any kind
of justice movement, if it is a justice movement that is grounded
in Islam, and you cannot remove the Islamic aspect, and still call
it a justice movement. And that is something that I try portraying.
To many people, a lot of them become very understanding. But
there's also a lot of them that were rooted and have the
foundation of on Islamic principles, and not really
theories them to a different direction. And let me ask
something I can understand when there's equal powers, that a
person doesn't think of Allah and realize as his own powers, right?
We say you're wrong, but I get it. It's human beings can do that.
Right. But when you are so weak in power, you have no country, no
state will support you, right?
The entire world. And you see here, Elon Musk, supposedly one of
the most powerful guys in the world Cohen and doing the
humiliation ritual
with Ben Shapiro in Auschwitz and then saying, I don't know I'm
aspirationally Jewish, I was Jewish. It's almost like my best
friend is black. Right? Right. You know, that whole trope? And I
think I my great grandmother was Jewish, what kind of like power
that are you facing? So when
you're the power distinction is that great? It makes
You think where is real power right? Now at that time you are
ripe to actually realize what the real power is with all the so what
I would like to ask is, what is the perception of who has power to
these to the secular
view of the resistance like, where are they getting their power from?
Do they actually think that their material power is going to stand
up against Israel in the United States and Western Europe? Right,
I think that that is that is such a core point, because they, a lot
of a lot of those people that have those certain views are coming
from a place that the people are the only ones that have the power,
and we are going to be the ones that are going to achieve
liberation and justice, and so on and stop the Zionist entity. But
who has true power is a missing conversation in and of itself.
Like, it's not even something that comes up, where if you ask someone
who has a true power, you're going to go in circles with them,
they're going to tell you, the colonizers, the people, and so on.
And the concept of there being a higher power is completely absent
from the conversation. And I think that is what is so missing. And I
always mentioned this is that this is so missing within the movement.
And it's what we need to show you and students of knowledge to talk
about more, it's like in our masajid, when we talk about
rallies, talk about the religious aspect within rallies, talk about
why it is so important for one extra Muslim for one extra share
for one extra student of knowledge to be there compared to 10 secular
people, for example, where even that one person can make huge
waves, because we know that it is it's like secularism versus like
the religious societies isn't something that is targeted, but
rather it is something that is almost combative against each
other, that as soon as Muslims take a vaccine, secularism will
take advantage of that, and we'll move forward. And that's something
that Muslims have to wake up to that if you choose to take the
backseat, you're okay, with secularization being the norm, and
vice versa, where Muslims are stepping up in a very active way,
will for secularization to take the backseat.
And I would go so far as to say without really sounding too
divisive, but IBLEES will love a secular pro Palestine movement,
right? Because you're impotent, right? And you're going to rely on
yourself, and you're probably going to make things worse, right?
And when nothing will scare, scare even your enemy,
then that you believe that something's greater than him.
Right? And when a person has that belief in Allah subhanaw taala.
That that's the real power. That's at a certain point, then it
triggers a lot of other things. So if this is the real power, then
why is this happening? Right? There must be a wisdom while it's
happening. Right? I think the triggering point that you
mentioned, is really important because I was thinking about this
and I saw posts by different one Mohamed, to which I'm not sure if
you've seen her graduation speech, she was posted on the front cover
of The New York Times and attack a lot for her pro Palestinian speech
on her CUNY law graduation. But she recently posted something as
she was applying for, for jobs to be a lawyer. She was saying a lot
of these Zinus threatened her that you're never going to find a job,
you're never going to find any means of feeding your family and
so called but she wrote this post and she was mentioning she was
like, do they not know that Iran zap is who is going to is the one
that has written might raise for them from before time. And it's
something that is so missing is because when you fear nothing but
Allah subhanaw taala and you know that at the core of your movement
is Allah subhanaw taala and he has the greatest power, then truly
nothing can come in front of you that will truly scare you. And
those are the triggering aspects that are missing within the
movement. Without that without that first step of recognizing
that at the core of it is Allah is the Allah is the Greatest when we
put up with a beautiful when we put that at the core and as the
foundation that Allah is the only one who has power. At that point.
Really, every trajectory we go on is going to be a little bit
different than than one who doesn't have that actually, it's
going to end up being a lot different