Shadee Elmasry – Bishop makes Blunders on the Prophet NBF 286
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Bismillah al Rahman al Rahim Al hamdu lillah wa Salatu was Salam
ala Rasulillah while he was talking to a woman Well, welcome
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don't know his face, he's from the madman, Luke's podcast. Okay.
And we're gonna first talk about this ad or curse. Alright, bring
our mana. There we go. I'm Ron, how are you? So Michael, how are
you? Very good. Very good. Thank you for having me. Sure. So did
you read what I posted yesterday on
about the ad or curse? The so called suppose it ad or curse?
Yeah. It's interesting that how that plays into the the Israeli
psyche, the so you want to get the intro? So for the listeners who
are not informed about it? Yeah. So let me introduce everybody
about this. Not a lot of people had heard about it, and probably
not a lot would have, except that recently, Israeli presidents
themselves have been invoking it, right. I mean, this is terrible. I
think the worst thing you want to do is talk about the last thing
that you want to happen, whether you're talking about it in a
positive or negative light, doesn't make a difference. So let
me read to you here. And by the way, I do have a critical approach
to this. So don't think I'm just parroting this and saying, oh,
there's a curse. And here we are epistemologically as a shadow. And
as we don't just take anything as a belief as certainty, right? Were
very much more critical than that. And definitely claims of curses is
one of the sources of knowledge that does not yield any certainty
whatsoever. But it's just an interesting thing to listen to, to
hear about. So listen to a hoot Barak, former President of Israel,
he said throughout history, Jews did not rule for more than 80
years.
And when they did their decision, their disintegration begin in the
eighth decade. So the final fit into that the final blow. Right
can be traced back to the fitna of
the 80th. Year, or that happened in not the 80th year but the
decade of the 70s. Right, the eighth decade, got Netanyahu said
that one of the reasons he wants to become prime minister is to
ensure Israel's continuity beyond at you know, there's a movie
was made. It was really clever. It was about a woman who
received a premonition that her husband would die.
Right. She received this premonition
that very day, she had a big blob, big fight with her husband. Okay,
then she had the premonition. She's like, Oh, I gotta fix
everything. Right. And she spent it premonition was that her cousin
would die in a week. So she spends the entire week fixing everything,
not realizing that he would only die with her.
So in thinking that she's gonna go around destiny, she actually
fulfilled the destiny.
Which makes me think, like, why would you care about 80 years?
Right? It's not a curse. But yet you're like, let me be the one but
maybe you're the one who's going to start it. Right. You cannot
play around with destiny. Firstly, we don't know if this is destiny
at all. I'm just saying that. It reminded me of that when he said
that. It reminded me of that movie. Next one. Neftali Bennett
The current
president, he said he rallied voters around the idea of breaking
the curse.
Listen,
where would Muslims stand on this? And let's firstly take the
evidence, Jay.
We Muslims do not believe in superstitions,
right, we believe in something that has a rational basis,
scientific basis, transmitted shutter, a textual basis. Alright.
And right before I continue, you take it away, give us your
opinion, while they eat this warm slice of pizza.
So it's funny, in the sense where they're drawing all kinds of
different inspiration from
their history of
being expelled from their what they consider is their homeland.
And, and using that as a battle cry that, hey, we can't allow this
to happen again. This is some kind of curse that repeats itself
throughout Jewish history. And what is in fact, the the V or the
reason why it's being brought up by politicians, such as Netanyahu
is that they want to demonstrate that through strength through pure
power and the ability, their ability to beat down the
Palestinians to a pulp to completely eradicate the this
problem. The only politician that is able to do that is Netanyahu
that at least that's what the way they're framing of it as because
Netanyahu is incredibly unpopular in the Israeli media in the wider
Israeli society. And so that they're using these images and the
CDC historical references to
show that hate through power through sheer wells, determination
and brutality. We will prevail over the Palestinians.
This is what what do you think of the evidence? There's only been
two kingdoms before this.
Okay, right.
The Davidic kingdom.
David and Solomon
did years.
Then the collapse?
They got so rich and 50. Yep, they got 1050 BC. Yeah. They got so
rich.
And their soldiers were traveling, conquering lands and meeting all
these other women and marrying these pagan women.
Not allowed for them. I don't think
they bring the pagan wives back. And the pagan wives said, Oh,
honey, can I have an idol? Can I keep my idol here? And they say
yes.
And they started allowing for this.
Even in some versions of the biblical story, Solomon himself
caves in to an East African beauty. Who wants her idol and he
says, Okay, you can have your idol. And then sometime later, she
says to him, come and go to the temple with me. And they start
having idle idolatry. This is why the Quran says well, maca Farah
Sulaiman Soloman never make Cofer,
explain to me, why would the Quran,
us give the attribute of a prophet? The most basic thing that
he didn't disbelieve, of course, he didn't believe he's a prophet.
How could he disbelieve? It's because people said he
disbelieved. They said he disbelieved and began becoming
like a Satan worshiper with black magic. And others said he caved
into the idolatry of his wives. So they became so gluttonous that
they had a civil war.
As Quran says, but so vain a home should eat. Their civil strife
amongst themselves is very bad. They hurt each other badly. Quran
says,
Okay, next one, the Hasmonean kingdom, the Hasmonean Kingdom
lasted 77 years.
Okay? If you ask me, something occurring twice, is not a pattern
yet.
If it occurs three times, I'm start wondering what's going on
here. If it occurs four times. We got to find out what's going on.
Right.
I think the answer is much simpler in this period of time.
Last right before, well, before October 7, we were chit chatting,
me and a couple of friends. And Ron, you may have remembered even
people around you might have been talking the same thing is that,
you know, Palestine shouldn't do anything.
The Israelis themselves are at each other's throats so badly that
they're gonna disintegrate on their own. Yeah, exactly. What and
just to interrupt you there. Their behavior is like a scorned woman.
You know what US
Of course scorned woman the behaviors, they use every
ammunition at their disposal to destroy the man.
Yeah, and ultimately to the detriment of themselves, where
they will
eventually use the the strategy of Mutually Assured Destruction,
where they'll destroy you and themselves. Yeah, in that process.
And it's a very feminine mindset that, that the Israelis have where
they feel that the world owes them this state because of this
perceived idea of them historically, being racist. and
stuff. So I'm sorry, you weren't you, you were saying something
before I cut you off? No, just saying grace is valued, raise your
volume. That's all of our guys gonna raise your fine. Okay,
perfect. Yeah. All right, go ahead.
No, no. So, ultimately, what what their their mentality is that
they're going to they're going all out to this extent, where they've
ultimately assured their own destruction by using a
disproportionate amount of violence, even if they found a
legitimate reason to a legal reason for their attack on Hamas,
which we know that it's just used as a cover story. And it's being
used as a way to commit genocide. We know that, but
the level of disproportionate violence where they've dropped the
equivalent of two nuclear bombs on Gaza.
It shows a
very scorned type of people who feel like they, they want to
eliminate any possibility of a forget about Palestinian state,
but any kind of opposition. And it demonstrates a incredibly weak
type of behavior, oftentimes, also shown in like prisons and stuff
where a new prisoner will come and beat up the smallest person there
to demonstrate how strong he is and prove his ability to, or at
least get perspective in the prison, right? Yeah. So so these
are, what the reason why it's so important to bring these
individual type of
analysis or breakdowns, because state actors project their way in,
in that same way, they, they still operate from the same human rules
and and truths that human beings operate from power, strength,
power, their own fears, and their desire to feel like they're
legitimate, legitimate power and their need to be respected. So all
these things play into these really psychology that is very
important to understand. I know, because right now, it just seems
like doom and gloom is going to be there's no end in sight for Kazaa.
And it appears that way, in all political levels, everyone is
doing their best to put a good spin on it. But ultimately, what
you're seeing is the last of foray, or the last push by them to
completely rid Raza and the West Bank of Palestinians and formed
their one state. And then these are all policies that are being
floated about by
Israeli officials with in coordination with the United
States officials in the White House. They are devising plans for
Palestinian populations to be absorbed by different Middle
Eastern countries, Egypt and Turkey, etc. And they're all going
to be receiving some sort of economic benefit for taking
refugees from from Palestine. And if you look at the what they're
they're selling,
they've sold off any
sympathy that they have ever had. All that was accrued from, from
the Holocaust, all that sympathy, empathy, whatever you want to call
it, the currency, that currency, they use it all up. And now
they're in debt. I mean, the anybody who's been bullied in
their life and all these nations that have been bombed in their
life, anybody who's poor,
is sympathizing with Palestinians. Right? They're very few only, like
the 1% who are financially intertwined
with banks and everything, and the lobby, doesn't even
it doesn't even require poverty. The The thing is, most of the
world forget about the Muslim world, most of the world has felt
the yoke of colonialism. Yeah. And that that memory is still very
much alive. That's all ended just barely 100 years ago. Yeah. And
many of these memories are still inherited all across Africa, and
Asia and everywhere where the British Empire went to. There's a
reason why Irish people still have such a deep affinity
towards the Palestinian Scottish people as well, these are
countries who felt the brutality that the British Empire
leveled against them. And it can't be understated how important it is
that we understand that the the people of Plaza are. It's almost
like a channel for all these people to understand or learn
about Islam and the resilience of Muslims in face of these types of
hardships. But that's a great demonstration. And Allah is the
best of planners that the demonstration of Muslims
resilience and Iman in the face of losing multiple daughter's
multiple son's a leg and arm, your son loses a leg. You ask any any
man, he say, I'll lose my leg. I lived already my son five years
old, he hasn't lived yet. Let him keep a leg. But you're seeing
these situations. And just when it comes to the colonial side of
things, no matter what story you tell the visual kills it all. You
see an area of land where all the countries are 10 people. All of a
sudden you got these Russian, Eastern European, you know, people
right in the middle. cite the Bible all you want. No one's
buying it. Right? Yeah, no one's mine. And Abraham didn't look like
this. He was from Iraq, what's now called Iraq. Right? Joseph didn't
look like this. He was born in the Holy Land settled in Egypt, right?
He didn't look like this. Just the visual aspect. The common man
looks at this and says, You don't belong there. Right? You came
there artificially. And now you're doing all this? Right? So all of
this, this imagery was probably not in people's face before this
battle. Before this crisis, and before this war, right, this
imagery wasn't in people's face. Now it people from all continents
are sort of glued, I mean, everyone I talked to is glued to
this right. Outside, we expect the community to but if I when I talk
to people outside the community, they're glued to this construction
workers, mechanics, cops, everyone who's outside the communities,
just that's all they do is watch what's going on. And Allah is the
best of planners, because these visuals are not good to them for
them in any way, shape and form. Now, let me bring up another
concept here. sociologically, anthropologically,
psychologically, what happens to a people in 40 years, okay? Because
the Quran mentions, being in the wilderness for 40 years,
mentions a punishment for worshipping the golden calf,
you're going to be in the wilderness for 40 years, the
automat say, 40 years is the age of a generation.
So the punishment is that you will not be the ones who opened up the
Holy Land, who entered the holy land, and live there and settle
there, the promised land. So all of the people who are skeptical
that that whole generation has to die off.
And that's going to happen in the span of 40 years.
So if there's anything anthropologically to think about
it, not saying this cursor has any true truth to it, but I'm saying
let's look at the 40 years is 80 years is two generations.
Essentially, it's two generations.
So the founders
add one generation to that. Ben Gurion is the first president add
40 years, right? Then add a generation now that never met the
founders.
That's the key. Because the founders transmit their story and
struggle to the next generation.
Now, the second generation that's born, never met, the founders
never met the people. And we're raised, we're not raised by the
people who who struggled and the people who never had Israel.
Okay, that second generation now is where the spoil
begins. But the ad a year now that second generation is over now is
the beginning of the third generation to take over that third
generation. Of course, it's not like a click of a button. So that
third generation will be start to be born within the time of the
second generation, but they start taking leadership
at the beginning of the next set of 80 years, okay, 40 years. So
4040. Now, the third generation has not even met those who met
those
who are with the founders, right? So the third generation is where
the rot really start, the mistakes start to be made. The rot is
already setting in. But the mistakes, the big blunders, and
they, the accumulation of the small mistakes really starts to
take effect. And and that's where in that generation, the blunder
start taking place.
What do you think about that?
No, absolutely. And what even Aluna has talked about in his
melodrama about how
The initial generations do the hard work and all the prosperity
happens within the the early generations of,
of any kind of civilization, whether it's Muslim or non Muslim.
And as the princes and different generations come forward, they
don't have to work as hard. And that this, this is self evident in
history. When you see
the Mongols, for example, the Mongols had incredible armies,
their ability to sack capitals all across the world was
unprecedented. And as they sat in these capitals, and they had new
children, and those children lived under the life of luxury, they got
fat, and they lost their desire to conquer and ultimately got
absorbed into their native population. So this is ultimately
what we are seeing in the west and why you're seeing such a cry from
white nationalist groups who are upset about this pattern of
sociological behavior, where they're seeing their children,
in effect, not caring are having very feminine qualities.
And their ability to work hard, and it has completely diminished.
And something this, it also talks about why they're, or x, this kind
of behavior explains why the thinkers in Washington and
European capitals are so desperately bringing in
illegal immigrants and immigrants in general, because they know
their native population won't be because these guys are an idiot,
they studied these patterns, these problems, the reason why the
United States was so open to bringing in populations from
different parts of the world is because they knew that as they got
wealthy, their native population wouldn't work as hard and they
tried to solve this generation problem, that generational problem
have declined by absorbing people who had the will to pursue the
freedom, the freedoms and the different rights to life, liberty,
and the pursuit of happiness. All these things are, were part of
their psychology. So
yeah, absolutely. Immigrants are the ones doing it here.
Whites are now realizing that, you know, the it's open season on
them. And you see more and more of a defensive posture from them.
And, and a lot of times, I have to say it's like, they're, they sound
very Miskin like there needs sympathy, because they're getting
it's totally P politically correct to spit on, you know, on their
legacy and on everything that's white. So it's almost like come
first full circle for them. I'm not I don't even support that.
Like it's not even writing the snap. But I remember I did my,
one of my masters papers at Georgetown. I did it with
Professor Scott was less than Redford believe. He was a great
professor. And he's the one who pointed me to inika, doing some
Kadima. He said, You need to read this book, I said, Oh, I got one,
I have one and read it. But he said, read the book and do a paper
on it. So I did a paper on how the Sharia puts in place, certain
things that if observed, should disrupt this four generation
pattern. So again, the four generation pattern is as follows.
The first generation is raised in a beat down the raise in a
situation where they're getting beat down badly.
And they end up rising out of that, to defeat their enemies. And
to start a new chapter for their people. The Next Generation
witnesses, some of the abuses, and here's directly from their parents
about what happened. And they carry some of that zeal without
caring a lot of the pain.
The third generation, now their grandparents were the ones tell
them the stories of all the pain and all the hardship, and they've
taken on as a habit. Now the society habitually is successful.
So they have the Habits of Successful people. Well, by the
end of the third generation,
by the end of the third generation, there's been so much
success, and so much distance from from the pain and the investments
put in by the first and second generation start to reap an
overflow.
The fourth generation is then born in gluttony. Yeah.
All right. So again, just to summarize, the first generation is
typically known as the pioneering generation there, it's the ones
who do all the hard work and the second one
is the administrative generation. And the third one is the decadent
generation. And the fourth one is called the generational change and
renewal. Yeah, they're the oppressors that they become
oppressors. But fourth generation, they're born in such gluttony
that they don't work as hard. When they don't work as hard, the
investment starts to go down, the money starts to go down. But
they're accustomed to a lifestyle that's here. So they must oppress
others. In order to maintain that lifestyle. They then become the
oppressors. They become what their parents are running away from.
Right? Well, it's according to this, if this, there's any truth
to the ad or theory, they, then then they they've, they shrunk it
up, or the generation has to be changed to 25 years. Right? So
that the ad is that fourth generation is the one that does
all the wrong. So but what I put in that paper was that the shitty
I puts in things acts of worship, if you practice it, okay, it
should disrupt this, this thing, it should disrupt it. Number one,
it will disrupt the speed of the growth of your wealth, by
disallowing usury. Now you think this is a bad thing, but it's a
good thing. If your wealth rises too quickly, the decadence rises
with it. But if your wealth rises slowly, right, a it's more secure
and be you avoid the decadence fasting,
right? Fasting?
Going out for war, if it was a thing, right, then one of the one
of the mistakes that nations made was that their youth are separated
from wars. Well, those youth become politicians, politicians
create more wars without ever having tasted war. I love the
Norwegian, you know, there's there's Scandinavian kings that
had a concept where there cannot ever be a king unless he had, he
was part of like a certain number of battles. So that he could think
twice before sending us out into war, because he's been there.
Right?
Let me read you.
Something else. Now, I said here.
It would make sense. There'll be more to warrant this ad or belief.
If there are more examples. And I think there probably are more
examples. There are probably examples where Jews live very well
under certain nations.
And then that collapsed, that goodwill died, I'd would like to
see if that if there. If there were any compilations of that, how
many years they lasted with those people? Like, at what point did
these nations sour on them?
Right? Like that Floridian politician, that Florida
politician who got up and said, we've been getting expelled for
2000 years, right? So if you're beginning about that many times,
like how many years decades would pass before the host nation would
sour on you? And why? Like, why wouldn't you start asking the
question, what happened here?
What did we do?
Imagine I say, hey, Imran, let me rent your studio out. Okay, good.
What's your what's your, your reference your background and
said, Oh, I've rented out about 10 Studios before they kick me out of
all of them.
You're going to rent to me, right?
How about you say, You know what, instead of renting you should do
some introspection. Right? Do some introspection.
If a friend of ours said, Hey, listen, I just got divorced. Oh,
terrible. cry on my shoulder.
Next year, I got married and they got divorced again, the year after
that married and divorced. Oh, guess what? You're the problem?
Yes, you may be a victim. You got victimized, but the source of the
problem is different from the victim. And that's where this
whole blame the victim claim. I'm Ron, I want you to talk about this
the blame the victim claim. It sort of presupposes a world where
there's good guys and bad guys. In most cases there isn't. Right.
There's blame to go on both sides. Yeah. What are your thoughts on
that? This this idea of blaming the victim
blaming the victim in what sense? Victim blaming is victim blaming,
you know, the claim that Oh, you're your victim blaming. It's
not victim blaming. It's looking at what is the source of the
problem? Right? Well, ultimately, it reflects a deeper sentiment in
society where people are generally not wanting to reflect at their
inherent problems, at their fundamental problems of thinking.
When you see anyone who goes to therapy, and you're you're seeing
people, a therapist telling a patient Oh, you shouldn't feel
guilt. That why do you feel and they're treating this idea of for
example, guilt as a problem that needs to be solved?
As a way that that can be compartmentalized and put away in
some dark recesses of your mind, rather than addressing the fact
that guilt is an act of action or a call to action in your body.
It's a, it's a, it's a response from your body telling you that,
hey, how about you move into action, rather than what what the
way that it's playing out in society right now is that
whichever irrational decisions you have, as your form of thinking,
just reinforce it with more ridiculous forms of thinking to
make more erroneous conclusion. So it's become a game in, in fields
like therapy and mental health, where you are constantly coming
back to the therapist, giving them money, and giving them all kinds
of different things, because they're not addressing any of the
inherent problems within your thinking, yeah, and trying to
solve those problems. So fundamentally, I don't believe in
even
the therapy game, the mental health game that's happening in
this country, I do believe in therapy in a general sense, but
not the way that it's being enacted in this country, where
you're effectively just saying, giving people have the license to
act and behave in the most childish way possible, and telling
them, Hey, there's no repercussions for how you do or
how you behave. You're not at fault for the circumstances that
you were born with, they get in general sense, you aren't at
fault. But you have to figure out how to navigate these difficult
situations that many people are faced with and how to put that
into perspective. But ultimately, you have in Western societies, a
fundamental problem where the notion of self correction,
reflection, looking at in the past and looking at it as a way of, of
learning from and realizing where you made mistakes, where you
should have zigged instead of zagged, and try to address the
truth of the matter, instead of just kind of putting a nice glossy
finish over something terribly ugly, and it's playing out on on a
sociological level and on state levels as well. So
I'm going to answer a question here from yaki baby, who was
talking about CMC, he's misunderstood something here. And
for all those who are waiting for Paul, William C, had a he has he
has an interview now that actually went over the time. So we had to,
we swapped spots with Imran and Paul Williams. But in any event,
what you're saying essentially is by
seemingly, it seems like the easy way out, to not take
responsibility and to place blame on somebody else. And to validate
all your feelings, okay? Whereas taking responses, what you what
you end up doing with that is also stripping a person of willpower.
So the more you put the blame on somebody else, the more you're
actually not the actor anymore. Whereas when you put blame on
yourself, right? Or, okay, when you put blame on yourself, you
actually give yourself
an hour. Look at the me to movement. Yeah. How many of those
women who were wrongfully treated by those men but how many of those
weren't put themselves in that position? Especially in Hollywood,
where anyone who is familiar with the Hollywood scene, even as a fan
of Hollywood, you know, that these actresses are oftentimes required
to do horrible things to get their get the position that they do? And
there are many of them who agreed to these things? I'm not saying
was right. There was there's some self reflection on that part on
their, on their part where they have to reflect and say, like,
Hey, I put myself in some terrible situations that I should not have.
And that that self reflection rarely ever happens.
And you see it play out.
Because it's going to be cyclical, and
it's going to repeat itself. Yeah, it's going to put it's going to
repeat itself because you haven't addressed that the the initial
problem where you're not being honest with how you have
relationships with the opposite gender in what society and did
they just gloss over that just same way as they gloss over the
the problems with alcohol in American society where so many
families and
neighborhoods have been completely decimated by the problem of
alcohol, but it's just something that you know what, oh, well, you
know, we all love it. So we're just gonna keep it around. And
these fundamental problems are the are a symptom of COFRA like just
The the one of the nature's of Cofer of disbelief in Allah
subhanaw taala. It's not just comfort in itself, but how it
manifests into different areas of society of wider society where it
makes society not willing to address truthful problems, things
that they just want to brush under the rug, instead of addressing and
say, hey, you know what, just based on forget about religion,
what the Bible or any other religious texts texts tells me,
this problem is in really bad in our society, and we need to fix it
and they refuse to engage with the truth. And this is ultimately, one
of the biggest symptoms of Western societies is that they're just
unwilling to look at deep problems within their society and want to
try to brush it under the rug or try to find some kind of patch. To
fix it. Let me give you a simple scene. In our society today. If a
guy if you see a black guy pummeling a guy give him a
complete * nose and black to black eyes.
Right. Immediately Who do you sympathize with? Blecher?
The guy who's the guy who got beaten up the guy who got
bloodied, right? The guy with the black guys in the * nose,
right. All right, let's now rewind the tape a little more. Right?
They're having an altercation with words.
Then
the victim, who's the victim later in the video
tells the guy he's having an altercation with and he calls him
the N word.
Oh, that explains it. Right? Yeah, there's like fighting words. I
don't even know fighting words is a fictional is a legal fiction or
if it's real, but you know what I mean by that? It's a word that
you're when you say it, you're inviting a fight? Okay. It's a
very charged word. And that person doesn't want to hear it. Now, do
you look at the person in the same light anymore? Not at all. So this
this this concept that anyone who appears to be a victim in your
eyes? Right? Would that we cannot rewind the tape and see Hold on a
second. Did you bring it upon yourself? It's a completely
illogical idea. And there are 1000s of examples. 1000s of exempt
anyone who has two kids.
Anyone who has two kids know that kids pick up patterns real quick.
And there's a hilarious video that went viral some while back. Have
two kids, one older toddler and a younger toddler. Okay. And they're
fighting over a toy. They're playing with toys. One fight one
takes a toy. Right? Then the other. It's amazing how quickly he
learned the younger kid jerks his head over and starts screaming and
falls over? Immediately the other kid gets in trouble.
Right?
How amazing is our kids capacity to learn how to get attention and
how to manipulate right? In this case, in that one case, it was a
complete lie. Because the kid didn't get he didn't get touched.
He literally jerked himself over as if he got punched, right? But
there could be genuine scenarios where one party completely gets
physical and beats up another party. But if you had rewound the
tape, you would have seen who instigated it with words with
other actions that you could do to make a person sort of, you know,
flip out on you.
And in fact, if anything, if people want to look at the
sinister you want to look at Hamas in a sinister light.
Right, like a clever light. They say like they knew that Israel
would have
you know, went ballistic on them. There are I've seen Jewish
commentators say this so that they knew Israel would go nuts on them.
And so they said let's change Israel's public the perception of
Israel by attacking them we know that they're going to overdo the
attack on the other side, right?
So the concept of blaming the victim to me is one of those that
just gets on my nerves because it's so it's completely illogical.
All right, let's yaki baby. What are you saying? yaqi is a he's an
Arab Jew here and he's saying why in the Quran does it say what is
he? He's not. Okay. So he says that the Quran says whites are in
paradise and blacks are in *. What are you talking about? No.
Yes, you owe me this. What do June what this is dates that on that
day of judgment, people who do good deeds, their faces will be
brightened. Okay. And the people who did bad deeds, their faces
will be darkened. Okay, blackened to the literal meaning is what but
we're all those people blacks on this earth and whites on this
earth. No has nothing to do with that. Right has nothing
to do with that the bodies that you have, on the Day of Judgment
have nothing to do with the body that you have here. Okay, so I
don't know what he's trying to get your moment. Okay. But it felt.
Let's now turn to our The other topic that we had today. All
right, are we ready to
put it up? Let's let's listen to what he has to say. And maybe
pause it every minute or two just to see what Bishop Mark Marmari
Emanuel
has to say who is more Mario Manuel he's an Australian based
Iraqi, Iraqi they call themselves us Syrians not serious but us
Syrians. A Syrians are essentially you can switch to the screen now.
A Syrians are essentially an ethnic people around Iraq, Iran,
Syria, Turkey. So they're similar to the Kurds in that
they had they were
the similar to the Kurds and that they were
an ethnic group without a nation essentially. But most of them
you'll find them in Iraq. And they their commonality is the church
there. They have an Assyrian church. They're essentially
Orthodox Christians. All right, they have a verse there isn't a
Syrian Orthodox Church in Paramus, New Jersey, nobody knew or cared
about the Assyrians until unless until Patrick, but David made it a
thing. Because people do like him and like his podcasts.
And apparently there was some other guy who was famous in his
world named George, on there. And he, he actually spoke pretty well.
I only listened to about 20 minutes of the podcast and the
clip
about this priest Bishop
talking about the Prophet and making mistakes, I would say, you
know about the Prophet peace be upon him. This is one of the most
popular priests because his comments on morality gays, and,
you know, we got to say he's got the brand down in terms of you
want to get a new brand you want to have again, Dollfie look, you
want to you got the hood, he's got the stitch hood, right, the thobes
the robes and the big beard. So he's got the he's got the the
dress up game down real well. Right not not to make fun of it.
I'm not making fun of it, because I like to use beard.
That's a nice beard. It's a good beard. I mean, Matt Akia would not
accept beyond the fifth fist length, but others would get he's
wavy. He's like elbow length at this point. But in any event,
yeah, a lot of Muslims have similar length, beards. But
let's let's get to it in sha Allah, the law of God, we are
nowhere near that perfection to do and abide by what God does. He
showed that in the Old Testament, the Israelite nations, they failed
him from the word go till the very end. But he is the never failing
God, His mercy that carries us, all of us as humans, regardless
whether we are Christians or not. So when those religions out there
with all love and respect, they talk about laws, I'll ask them,
Are you fulfilling that law? Of course not. You're falling very
short of that law. So don't tell me you have to do this, where you
are failing as a leader, your profit failed those loads. Your
own profit failed them who Mohammed and all the other
leaders, such a reporter move and and the very reason why Mohammed
failed because he's dead. Their book says that, but their book
also says about my Messiah, even though the Quran is not the Christ
of how did the Prophet feel?
The loss What are you talking about? Alright, give us an
instance in which the Prophet did something forbidden in his own
law. Right? That's number one. Number two, he failed because he
died. So dying is failure.
I don't understand what he's talking about. And if you believe
in Jesus being crucified, Moses died, Abraham died, Noah died so
that I didn't understand that point what he was trying to make.
I'm wrong. Did you understand what he's trying to say here? I could
not make heads or tails. I don't I think Patrick, but David doesn't
even understand what he's saying. Yeah, because he is like, he's
nonsensical. Yeah. Okay, let's keep going.
Of The Holy Bible, totally separate people with we cannot
claim something that is not truthful. I know, Truth hurts. I'm
not offending people. I'm speaking the truth. And if it offends you,
I'm really sorry, not okay. So I'm sorry for that. Alright, so
the Prophet, he's saying that there Jesus is not the same. We're
not talking about the same person as what Muslims called Jesus,
right?
He's not saying anything about our understanding of who Jesus is. And
frankly, I don't have much reason to care what he thinks
He thinks that they're two different people. He hasn't said
anything about Islam at this point. He's simply saying no, no
that Jesus is different. I'm not gonna go chase him around and say
no are Jesus is your Jesus, right? But
as as as we understand it, there is only one character in the
entire MIDI in ancient history called Jesus.
Right or wrong character meaning person in history.
There's only one person in history called Jesus. Right? That is worth
discussing that anyone ever discusses. And Ron, am I getting
something? Am I missing something? I think what that yeah, what
you're saying what he's saying is that because Jesus didn't die, he
is a superior version of, or at least their interpretation of
Jesus is the interpreters superior version. And that's why he is a
living example. So maybe he should say that our beliefs about Jesus
are so radically different that it would be as if it's a different
person. Like for example, when we talk about Jake Yaku, say now
cool.
In Islam and the Quran verses in the Torah,
the attributes are so different, that it would be as if it's a
different person, but we are talking about the same person. You
know, that they Jacob in the Torah is non stop lawyering and tricking
God. And God keeps favoring him and favoring him, it is the most
bizarre thing you can ever read. How is this someone supposed to
look up to he is nonstop in animosity with God, wrestling, God
trying to trick God? It's the worst thing when you read it and
you realize, hold on a second. This is the first thing that you
teach in your kids. That's why they turn out like this. Right?
What how are they going to turn out this way? This lawyering
around the law. All right. God said don't fish on Saturday, put
the nets on Friday, we got you. Right. No sense of God is
essentially saying sacrifice money for that day. That's what he's
saying. Right. Now. Let's try to trick God. Let's find another way.
Let's can't use technology. Well, let's let the elevators all stop
at every floor every because we didn't technically press the
button. Where's that? It originates with?
Jacob, the trickster, the lawyer against God, he has no there are
very few good attributes. So I don't know what he's saying here
that it's not the same person but anyway, he could believe that what
he wants my concern is, what is he going to say about Allah His
messenger and Islam? I believe salatu salam and the religion of
Islam that's not correct. So far, he made a claim but he didn't back
it up. Alright, and you know what? It's covered with the toughness.
It's covered with the costume. Oh, the truth is the truth. Okay,
well, that's just smoke and mirrors right. smoke and mirrors
it's it's it's
it's a defense lawyer that doesn't have much evidence. Right, but
he's got good oratory skills. He's is Johnnie Cochran. You remember
Johnnie Cochran? Yeah.
All right, keep playing.
But let me tell you one thing your book says that ASA Son of Mary
went up to heaven alive, and he will come back to judge the dead
and literally me. So I asked him Muslim who judges oh my gosh, what
do you say? All right, go.
They will say God, while you're telling me this prophet will
judge. So which is which, as the prophet taken the role of God, has
God gone on vacation and he's come and take his position? No. But ASA
is the living Messiah. Even their book says, I speak Arabic. I read
Arabic. I'm fluent in Arabic. When they say I'm not a sub No, Miriam
fower Colima Tula who Rohan Minho, but as a son of Mary Jesus, as the
word of God and the Spirit of God. Now let me ask you, my dear
Muslim, if you're claiming ASA as a prophet, then how come all the
other prophets which you believe in you believe in Moses, you
believe in if you believe in all the prophets of the Old Testament?
How come none of the Old Testament prophets will refer to as the word
of God except as a y star? How Imran you want to go first. Why
don't you go first this time? No, that's not my wheelhouse. Okay,
listen. Number one. What was the first thing that he said?
Okay, Jesus, number one comes down, he ascended and he comes
down again. No one said he's going to judge between the creation
you're going to have and you're going to * show me your good
deeds, your bad deeds. Okay.
Nobody said that.
Exact said anywhere in the Quran that he says this, okay? That he
does this. So we believe God descends.
Someone needs to clip this part out. We need we believe that God
descends.
Sorry, we believe that Jesus dissents
but
He, he doesn't, but God judges. He's not the judge of anybody. The
judgment doesn't even happen in this world. All right, the
judgment happens in the afterlife. That's number one. Number two.
God judges, human beings judge. Right? But they're different human
beings judged with what God gave them human being judged in a
limited capacity. Okay, so yes, we could say, Jesus will judge in the
sense that He will judge Christianity to be true or false.
Judaism to be true or false. What are the true stories versus the
false stories? Is the Prophet he judge meaning he will present to
you the truth? That's in that meaning? Not judge you to Heaven
and *, that's a position of God alone.
Number two, was Go ahead wrong. But that's something Yeah. You
know, also, I wonder what he thinks about like judges in the
court system. Yeah. Of what about a judge in a court when I go to a
traffic court? When I go to any criminal court, goat court, for
example. And the judge standing there, do I say that that's the
attribute of God? No. Humans can judge. By the way, this is an oft
repeated thing as the second crit Orthodox Christian I've seen do
this, right. So that's, that's the second what was the third thing he
just said?
He really he just said that
was the third.
Why is he called the word number one. The Quran admits we have
preferred we have given some virtuous, some miraculous some
amazing things to some prophets and not to others. Right? Moses
spoke to God directly, even more than Jesus. Anytime that Moses
want to speak to Allah, He speaks to Allah and Allah answers him
with no hardship, like the hardship of Revelation is not
there. Adam was chosen to be the first man Ibrahim Ali Salam was
chosen to be the first of the prophets, the father of all these
prophets after the flood. Okay, no prophet Noah was chosen to live
the longest of the prophets use of it Saddam was chosen to have the
most beautiful face
and body and hair and everything.
Prophet Dode at a Salam had the best worship. The Prophet peace be
upon him didn't fest every other day. Prophet David did the Prophet
peace be upon him did not spend as much time in the night presents
Prophet David. Right. So, prophet David had that he was a successful
king who dominated other nations. No other prophet was a king, who
dominated other nations the Prophet peace be upon him was the
leader of Arabia, but never never sent never conquered other nations
the Companions conquered other nations
Prophet I used to have in Medina, um, has such a unique place with
Allah subhanho wa taala, that he is the reminder for human history,
for the reminder for humanity of the power of Allah, to create
outside of the known so called causes and effects. It was like a
reminder, human history, half the time of human history has passed.
And you all need a reminder that Allah can create without the known
causes and effects. So what you're seeing Dr. Shadi is, he's referred
to as the word bee, and it is a bee. Yeah, that's
not because of him being the word that of his speech being anything
special, but because of a law speech being special. Yes, he is
the word of Allah of B. And it is just like Adam was created with no
mother and father, Prophet Isa was created with a mother without a
father. And Allah says, Be can, where did the male ingredients
come, was created, right there on the spot, it did not come through.
A series of males have series of fathers as the normal way, which
we understand to be normal. It's not normal with Allah means
nothing to Allah, Allah can create human being in a myriad of
different ways at what however he wants. If he wants to create a
human being out of a tree he could have, if he wanted to create a
human being from *, he could have good none of that is
difficult for Allah to odd or rationally contradictory. So he is
the word of Allah in the Quran, meaning that he is the word beat,
and it is he has no father. That's the meaning of it. Now, let me ask
you just out of logic for the bishop. Do you think that the
Quran is going to have such a very basic contradiction? And we're all
gonna miss it for all these years, and none of the companions picked
it up. And none of the Syrian Christians and Iraqi Christians
that the Muslims met in the first Treasury have picked it up. But
here you're going to come on the PBD podcast and give us a gotcha
moment. You figure it out. Think about this right
now
Next, also like with the judging thing, aren't you judging us right
now? You're seeing the Muslims a little. Yeah. So you're judging us
that's a judgment, period God and then also in the Quran, it says it
just like, on law, right? It's getting any medulla CONUS morfydd.
Yes, it's single it means good. Calam Allah like, yeah, he's not
the he's not the word of Allah meaning the speech of God which is
pre eternal, which
will be cut up is Kadima. Okay, keep going.
Now, Oh come, all the prophets, and every single human being on
the face of this planet, was born of an earthly father and an
earthly mother, yet Jesus son of Mary was born in a very gentle
birth, through a very gentle birth. He has an earthly mother,
but has no earthly father, for his father who art in heaven. Why this
raises question marks, how come this man is different, his birth
is different, his life is different. Even his end is
different. He went up alive. And he will come back to judge because
he is different. That's the whole story. He is different, my dear
friend, you need to come and seek the true God with an open mind
open heart. Don't be fanatic about your faith. And I say this even to
the Christians, the moment we become fanatics about our
Christian faith, we've lost Christ, we've lost a true
reflection of Christ. And you may say, Well, I'm a bishop, I'm
different maybe to some Christians that live in this blessed country
of America, who aren't from a Protestant branch. I come dressed
up like a ninja turtle. I say my I call myself a walking tent. But
how come people How come a Protestant How come other
Christians How come a Muslim How come a Buddhist How come an
atheist is listening to this good looking Bishop. Why? Because the
day you and I the or Patrick, and all of us that day, we give our
life to Christ, surrender to him and say, Lord, it is no longer I
but you. I know I'm weak. I'll fall short all drift away. But
please, Lord, even when I miss out, even when I walk away from
you, I'm asking you now before it happens. When it happens, Lord,
remember this moment when I called and I cried out to you, Lord, have
mercy on me, I the sinner, son of David, have mercy on me when I
pray when I beg him when I cry out to Him, even if I fall short, he
never fails, because he is the living God who was revealed in the
flesh. He is the Logos, the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and
the end. He is the WAY the TRUTH OF THE LIFE and there is no one
else when Jesus Christ engulfs Jonas is when you surrender to
Him, and He takes over. You have no fear because Jesus feels no
one. If they say Jesus was weak, excuse me, who said to to Herod,
go and tell that fox who stood who stood in front of authorities and
call them the sons of the snake who said that it was Jesus of
Nazareth? Is that weakness? No, that is mightiness. And power in
its core, why he was so powerful and blunt, because his father was
him. He gave His life I'm talking about Jesus the man was the Son of
God is god father was the son of men, the Son of God is just called
Gothic men. This man was serious. Because when this man gave his
entire life to God, you feel nothing if you no one, because
when God is with you, who can be against you? Let me finish it off
with this. Jesus Christ. I not only believe in him, dear Patrick,
I know him. Look, I'm a sinner. I'm the weakest ever believed you
mean? I'm talking with my head, placed under that sandals of the
Lord if He allows me because his sandals are more pure than me. But
I say this with absolute humility. The Lord Jesus revealed Himself to
this piece of rake. Well, I don't speak about Jesus just because I
believe I'm a Christian, or I dress up in this cloth, or I have
read the Bible which I have. No, I believe in the Lord. And I know
the Lord. He is six foot one. long face, tan skin, greenish eyes,
brown and crispy hair split in the middle all the way to the
shoulders with a very short bead. And after 2023 years, he is still
33 years of age and kicking baby. He is the King of kings and the
Lord of lords. Yesterday he is today he is and forevermore he is
he is the never changing God who was revealed in the flesh over
2000 years ago. And let me say this to the whole world. Yes, he
came over 2000 years through a virginal bread birth from our Holy
Mother Mary. And at the end he was crucified not he was sent up to
heaven. No, he was crucified. He died in the flesh on the cross.
And He was buried but rose from the dead on the third day ascended
to heaven, and he's been sitting there as the right hand of the
Father over 2000 You
as they go back again to judge the dead than the living, because he's
not just a prophet, for he is God revealed in the flesh. This is the
Jesus I talk about. That's why I feel no one, I feel nothing. I'm
not here for people to love me. I'm here for Jesus to be pleased
with this vessel that he uses for His glory and His glory only. He
has showed me Heaven and *. And let me say this with love and
humility. When you go to heaven, I can assure you, I can assure you
not because I'm a Christian, not because I'm a bishop, not because
I believe in Jesus Christ. But I can assure you And haven't you,
Muhammad, sermon will not greet you, Krishna will not greet you
because they will not. It was it will be only one who is the WAY
the TRUTH and the LIFE it will be Jesus Christ of Nazareth, who died
for you and me. I'm inviting you to accept Jesus as Lord and
Savior, God died because there is no other way. If we don't have
him, we are doomed forever. For in him. Eternal life lies. When you
go to heaven, and you meet Jesus face to face, Patrick, you come
back to Earth. Who cares about a president about Anthony Fauci,
Klaus Schwab, George Soros, and the likes, who cares with all love
and respect because when I meet Jesus, I see every one a piece of
dust, what can a man do to me? Oh, they can kill me.
Welcome death. I thank the Lord for death. Because the death
became that vehicle that took me to my sweetheart, Jesus Christ.
And then I can say, I can see him face to face normal through a
mirror, normal through amaze, normal through a dream, but I'm
seeing him really face to face. Thank you. Thank you, thank you,
Lord, for allow me to be killed for your sake. So if they want to
kill me, I'm here. This face once you see it, you can never miss it,
my dear. So I feel nothing for Jesus Christ is the only God, not
because I'm a Christian, because he's in sermon mode, and we can't
stop him. Right?
Listen, here, we got a guy to three years studying Islam and
figured it out. Number one, there's two things you are
experienced does not lend your experience or claim of experience
does not lend certainty outside yourself. Right? It is not a claim
of it's not a truth claim. This is a pistol Knology one on one, no
matter how wonderful your experience and how much you
believe it happened to you. It's not an evidence. It's not a piece
of evidence. Okay. So that's number one. Number two, there is
something called the law of non contradiction.
The law of non contradiction states that
a statement, right? As it is, cannot contradict another
statement in your passage in your speech, whatever you're saying. So
how is Jesus sitting next to the Father? That's two different
entities. Okay, how did he die? Then, therefore, God died? Can you
say the word God died?
No, God didn't die. But you just said Jesus died. Okay. You just
call claimed him that that his father is God. And he's the son of
God. Therefore, he's not God.
It's the same thing for 2000 years, whatever they did at the
Council of Nicaea. They sat there having meetings for a year and
they came up with this
clear non current law of non contradiction. Apply that to any
walk of life you'll feel apply the law of noncontradiction to any
walk of life.
Anything that you do, it will end up being a ball of yarn, like
pasta all mangled up together nothing will make sense. That's
all I have to say. His speech wonderful, great elocution, great
emotion wonderful stuff all that's great holding the cross having the
outfit. He's a great he's a great speaker. I give him all that. And
I can feel his conviction. But I have a brain
and Islam says have a brain
it's all experience. You're only talking I had this experience I
met Jesus Okay, so my faith is gonna rest upon your experience
now. And when you do quote talk theology and talk about God you're
contradicting yourself
not just him every person who speaks with the Trinity ends up in
the very same basic thing basic mistake right that no human being
can accept
continue tire talks as is not not transformative.
Yeah, put on high speed focus on Christ, just like Mahatma Gandhi,
When the British ruled and and enslave the Indians. Look at the
crucified the picture of the of the crucified Jesus. He said, You
know what, take away the Christians but give me the Christ
because Christ wouldn't have done what these Christians would have
done today. Christianity and Christians are
not reflecting the true Christ. But the moment any Christian
reflects the true Christ, you draw the whole world to you. Why don't
we look at that, as I mentioned, while going to the Lord, how come
this odd looking person in America with his outfit? How come people
are listening to him? Because stop praising yourself? No one's
listening to you. I mean, the first time listening to any mind
and right, no one's always the supreme authority. You know, I
would say, I think the only that was powerful. When you say Fauci
and they would probably want to know if everybody in heaven is
vaccinated. That's what they would have to do. Very important.
vaccinated by the blood of the Lamb of God, this is the bars on
you
know, if if you know everyone's vaccinated to make sure they're
safe, it would be very important for everyone to be wearing masks
in heaven. No, they will not shut this mouth with a mask. Let me
tell you, my dear friend, the only one who can shut this mouth is
Jesus Christ who gave this mouth the only one who gave me the Spank
is the one who's gonna take it away no one else so until the day
Jesus calls it the day for this piece of you are nothing I am
nothing. All of us are nothing Jesus, I'm inviting you classwork
to come back to the Lord. Because let me tell you one thing, all of
us we will die one day, no matter what you do, how rich you are. And
you may conquer the world later is Augustus Caesar. Where are the
pharaohs? Where are the Assyrian kings? Where are the roar of the
Macedonian Empire? Where is the Roman Empire? Where is the Persian
and the middle empire? Where are they gone with the wind? Never
seen, but where is Christ, sending out the right hander the father
and still conquering and still ruling and there are millions of
people coming to Christ as we speak, pause and smell your
thoughts? Yeah, no, I,
at least,
the guy, Christians in general haven't yet responded to the verse
from Matthew, my, my lord, my lord, why have you forsaken me?
They had no response to simple statements like that, where
Prophet Isa is clearly separating delineating himself from from
Allah subhanaw taala. And this is a basic, you know, problems within
Christianity in me and even in the eschatology about them. Talking
about Jesus coming down to from heaven and judging between us.
It's not it shows how disconnected their end times is their their
eschatology.
Oh, you got muted. You hit the mute button?
No, no, you hit the mute button.
Everyone muted it yourself. Yeah, there you go. You can hear me at
all or No, yeah, no, no, I hear you. I heard you basically saying,
the verses where Jesus talks to God. How does God talk to himself?
How are you God and the talking to God?
And and then the eschatology has is completed to disconnected as
well about Jesus coming down from heaven and judging between people.
And
in when you at least learn Islamic eschatology and us learn about how
things play out towards the end of time leading to the God of
judgment. There's so much chronology associated with it, we
understand a basic framework about how things are going to play out
the way they're supposed to. Yeah, surely, it's just like here and
there. There's, there's a time where people get pulled up and go
go to heaven. And
what's the bolster moment called? I can remember what, but anyway,
the rapture, the rapture, yeah, there was all these disconnected
events related to their times.
And somehow in between that people are going to be judges as well. So
it doesn't make sense to me. So the rap and also, you know, the
Protestant and Catholic versions of things are so different.
Yeah, I talked about that. Dr. Alioto. I talked about that the
other day that, you know, the rapture is something that is, I
don't think they have that in Catholicism. Right? They don't
have that Catholicism, they only have
God, they have God, Jesus coming back, and then ruling for No, no,
the he said that the great period of time of Jesus is now and it
means that we all have access to Christ. That's what they say, you
know, induction or the I don't know if you saw that one Joe Rogan
episode where he brought on this
apologist or some form of rational approach to Christianity. And this
guy, he was like, supposed to be the all end all, like, an expert
on how to get or refute atheists or people who are interested in,
in refuting Christianity. And ultimately, like, Rogan asks him
towards like, the middle of the interview, where he's keep going
on and on. Like, so. Tell me explain to me what, how you would
prove to me that there is Jesus and he's like, Oh, it's it's my
own personal like, experience, and, and boggled my mind, because
as a scientist, he's trying to explain all these proofs of
existence of God and this theory related to all the interconnected
nature of the universe.
Which, of course we all as Muslims believe in as well. But he's going
into all the stuff but he can't explain Jesus's existence or even
their foundational creed related to Christianity, except by going
to his own personal experience. Yeah. Which and Rogan's, like left
like speechless. Like how much of us respond to your own anecdotal
experiences? Yeah. So it's just a fascinating like, how even the
most intelligent people who will come onto major platforms like PBD
and Joe Rogan, they can't answer these fundamental questions
related to their belief. I think the whole issue is far simpler
than we imagined.
Whoever it was, Constantine said, we need to the Empire needs to be
Christian. There are too many different Christian groups, bring
them all in for the Council of Nicaea. Council Nicaea. They spent
a couple of months chit chat and talking having big meetings. I
used to think it was like one big meeting, but it was over the
course of a year. All these different priests and bishops come
together to finalize the creed. Right? I think that they argued so
much. And the time ran out, that they just had to put some together
and constantly got fed up said, I need the Creed right now. Right?
And then they just put it together and made no sense. I don't think
any of them were convinced of it. Right? Yeah. Until today, this is
the most basic thing you know why the, the Catholic Church has
survived the Protestant church, because there's some good things
that they believe in, believe in there, the whole family values,
and all that stuff is very nice, right? That's what will keep your
society going. Your family and moral values, no matter what you
believe about God and afterlife. If you in general, avoid
fornication, and you believe in respecting your parents and
marriage, you will have numbers, just basic math, right. And if you
tend not to get involved in usury, that's probably an added benefit,
because you need money to survive, right. And once you become a slave
to a US urea system, you eventually become poor and poor
and poor and poor. So that's why Catholicism survived, survived
because of the excellent moral, you know, I have to say, leaving
out the priests, but the regular people, right down in Italy, and
all those places. They had big families. They didn't go into
Zina, and all those things in general. And they believed in
those morals, that's why your society
flourished. Right? Not because it was true. Right? Because if it
were true, you would also succeed against the philosophers,
which they didn't write theologically with arguments and
back and forth. So that's what I actually think is the whole
history of Christianity in a nutshell. I mean, when it comes to
that the Trinity
I'd like I would wish I could have a debate with this with this man.
Because he, he's very good at the rhetoric, right? But that's it
after that the actual nuts and bolts of truth of metaphysics of
Kadem is a zero.
And never watched David Wood, but I heard his trash. And the guy who
was on Joe Rogan, his name is Stephen Meyer Ste pH. En, my I
encourage you guys to check it out, because it shows you how
incredibly blessed we as Muslims are with incredibly coherent,
connected arguments where you have a logical and rational world
worldview and the way to totally make Islam make sense to anyone.
And how much difficulty he has, as he stumbled through that
interview. And then there are some really intelligent stuff that he's
talks about, but you when he's challenged, and I'm impressed on
it, you realize how incredibly blessed we are as Muslims with
incredible people that comes as sources or Muhammad hijab and etc.
All the brothers all across the world who are studying this stuff,
Jacob, the Muslim metaphysician, just doing fantastic jobs all over
the place. We're so blessed. I could never imagine a Muslim
coming on that show and getting stumped like the way this guy did.
Listen Kanika t if aka T in the masjid in a mosque goes up on
Friday and ascends onto the pulpit or the member and he says that I
have something to tell you all Allah spoke to me last night. He
would not finish the football. We will pull him down from noclip bus
so fast. Okay. Okay. If he got up there and said, Listen, everybody,
I need you to do something the prophet spoke to me. We would pull
him off that member so quickly, not because we don't think it's
possible. It is very possible for the profit to come to a person in
a dream. It is very
Even even Muhammad said, I saw Allah and a dream. Allah spoke to
me in a dream. Fine. But this is not an argument and evidence. It's
for you only. It's not an evidence. Right, that you could.
And that case, everyone would be hoodwinking everybody else. Right.
All right. You don't have a proof? Yes, I do. God told me.
I need you to do this for me. What? Where's that in the book,
that I need to do this for you. You're my teacher and everything.
I love you. But who says I have to come and wash your car every
Saturday morning? God said, Right? Who said I have to get $5,000 in
the bin. In the charity box. God told me that you need to do it.
We'd have, we'd have charlatans everywhere. If the public was was
abused, with the leader saying God told me? No, the leader, the
public obeys their leadership or follows their leadership when the
leadership brings them objective evidence in a book that we could
all see. Okay, don't care about your dreams.
Right, with all due respect to everyone who has dreams, when we
sit and we talk about the law and the community, and what's right, a
true and false what's right and wrong to do and not to do. Give me
the law in a book that you can point to this verse, this verse,
this scholar, and that scholar interpreted this as the Arabic
language boom, that they I can relax. I believe it's the truth.
And I'm not being hoodwinked and following a personality.
And Ron, do you want to see the rest of what?
I'm okay. Let's get on this. I think you saw the whole thing. Is
there anything worthy? Is there any? Are there any other
timestamps where he talks about the profit?
can even talk about the profit? He said, Your profit didn't follow
your law. And he gives no examples. I'm maybe in his own
personal time. He could give examples. But let's debate that.
All right. I'd love to bring it up.
Maybe he had more dreams? Maybe we do. Maybe we should get him Rabbi
Mizrahi. Right. Who condemns all these dreams? Okay, here you go.
And he's an MS. Right. He was right. Right. And he said, they're
still having dreams still today. And he's right, right? visions and
dreams. That's the basis of your faith. How about logic? How about
reason, Revelation, something that I could look at with my own two
eyes and be convinced of
am Ron, talk to us? No, I fundamentally agree.
When you make any kind of argument or any kind of a
discussion point, when you're going off of anecdotal
experiences, dreams, or or whatever, you're, you're shooting
yourself in the foot. And I feel bad for Christians when they're
talking like this. It's so sad because you're you're feeling
embarrassed for them, because it's not just that they're hurting
themselves, but they're hurting all of theists, especially when
they talk like this to atheists. And you know, how the atheists do
they take that example. And they blast it all over and blame all
the theistic religions about with these nonsensical arguments that
the Christians use. So fundamentally, these guys are
doing such a disservice not just to their own religion, but just
the entire belief in God. That they're, they're the example
they're almost like the
how the, the woke left is kind of in this weird, extreme category of
left leftist people. Yeah, they always have to come in and say,
they're ruining our argument. So it's, it's similar in that
respect. So they, you know, small demons don't like Christians, the
small demons, they don't like the name God and Jesus in whatever
however, you put it in a sentence, they cannot stand the utterance of
the name God, Jesus, Michael Moses, David Gabriel, the name
itself drives them away. Yeah. Okay. However,
and this is totally talking within their sphere of Islam here,
there's not an interfaith dialogue anymore. Okay.
The, the larger demons, they love Christianity.
Why? Because it's a beautiful setup for atheism. Right? It's a
perfect setup. Faith is a fastball down the middle, it looks
impressive, right? When you see the ball go by once twice, I know
this, this thing. It's got so many inner contradictions on the
inside.
And ultimately, it will not succeed in a world where it's not
propped up by a government, where atheist philosophers can roam free
that decimate the Christian theology, and that will force the
Christian to lean more on emotion than anything else. Right because
they lost the battle of reason they have to forego on emotion,
the larger Satan's they love these false religions, because, as you
said, it's a terrible representation of theism. So
atheism then, is the next level of bliss.
Good. Atheists are the next level.
But guess what? Atheism is not the end goal of bliss. It is a
necessary pitstop. Okay, he needs them so much. Right to eliminate
all mention of God. But remember it bliss. The final plan of the
job and the bliss is not no God, it's him as God.
So you do need to have a belief. And what's the game plan? Keep
society atheist for long enough, they'll fill a void. We have
already discredited the theists. Okay.
Thanks for the Christians.
We've already discredited them. And then people lump Islam with
the Christians, at least in the Western world.
Once people have such a void inside of themselves, they're
going to need something, then we'll bring out our false messiah.
And then at least will be worshipped again, through through
the digit that the judge comes in, and he brings you what your mind
cannot interpret or, or understand or make any sense of it. That's
the end result of where we're headed here. We're not headed to
an atheist world. Atheism is the setup, just like I say, clean this
table, you haven't guests over, clear the table and polish it.
Right. So clear it of all, mention of God, Jesus, Moses, Abraham,
Mohammed, clear at all of any belief,
so that we could set it with our own beliefs. That's the end
result. And to further clarify that dark, shadowy, I think it's a
setup to worship your own desires, fundamentally, because man has to
inclinations. And fundamentally when you look at human beings and
what they're capable of,
or their decision making the ultimately you could become a
slave, just to your desires, and live your life according to the
whims that your desire is taking you without the restriction of any
kind of moral code. And they talk about moral code. But we see we
see how the moral interpretation in the West has become, there's a
reason why Nietzsche in them said God has done it. And because they
said that your moral code is basically it's, it's what you want
it to be. Ultimately, that's what and there's only a few societal
restrictions on a few things like maybe like * and
a few other things, but very few things that are preventing you
from acting behaving like an animal. I don't see that * is
far off. It's not it's not maybe 10 years.
be normalized, especially if it's between Well, right now, it's
allowed between consenting adults, right. I don't think there's any
law prohibit prohibiting consent. I think all we're waiting for now
is that speaking against it will become a
some kind of hate crime. Yeah, right. That it'll be popular.
That'll be something out there.
Like, what's to stop it? And I saw an argument, a debate, and someone
said, well, biology would stop it. Because
people with incestuous relationship. If it's a man and
have a brother and a sister, likely their child will have some
kind of birth defect. But the counter response was what happens
with a blind man falls in love with a blind woman. Should we
disallow that marriage too, because the genetic chances of
their child being blind is very high. Right? So what are we going
to do with that? And what happens if they choose not to have kids?
And what happens if they're of the same *? Right? Even more,
though, impossible to have kids? Right? So there's a lot they've
already done all the arguments. They've already been through it
all. It's just a matter of time. Okay.
Google Panda saying there's already a game about
*. It got positive for you. Do you hear about this? I have not
heard about this. We're we're it's just a video game.
Hey, Luca, tell us is this a video game or is this like one of these?
I don't even know.
By the way, don't search it up.
I saw a crazy article the other day about people whose digital
lives have been destroyed. Even their employment has been
destroyed. Okay.
The police showed up to a workplace and arrested a woman.
Why?
While that woman was
bathing her son.
You know what people do sending pictures back and forth. Right of
her son.
Her you know like taking a bath
probably sending it to her sister something totally innocent.
At some point that one of the other kids was playing around with
her phone, uploaded it to Facebook, right? Immediately,
Google, Facebook, all these algorithms kicked in. That's child
*.
And then the algorithm doesn't
differentiate doesn't know context. So it shut down all of
her Google accounts and her Facebook accounts. And then
authorities were notified and authority showed up at her
workplace. How insane is that? So be careful these you got to be
super careful anything with children?
All right.
They said the Sims four update accidentally enabled since us
insane, insane, insane. So yeah, the Sims is, what is that? It's a
simulation of
like, you can make a family from its basic unit. And I think you
can, it's kind of like, like a role playing game. It's no end to
it. It's you're just kind of building your family. And
by extension, the society, I think, again, through the whole
game, but I kind of know that just a brief overview of it. But it's a
very popular game that was out since the early days of the
computers, and or at least in modern computers in 1998, and
stuff. So all right, talk to me, tell me about your world in
Chicago, your your activity online, your reactions to
the forays that you got into debating Zionist and all that.
Well, one,
right now, we're not in debating Zionist in particular, but what
we've been doing, at least is
talking to Muslims in general about why we're in the situation
that we are, and fundamentally what design is, have identified
within each and every Muslim on whether on an individual level
level or on a state level or a societal level, how they've
entrenched themselves into controlling our actions. So why,
why do Muslim state actors not do anything for the defense of
Palestinians? Right, and designers have created a reward system,
essentially, for Muslim countries to not act on the behalf of
Palestinians, but also but to, furthermore, to, to behave in
their own self interest. And this is something that is a fundamental
characteristic of what neoliberal capitalism is in modern society is
that you act in though, in a manner that pursues your own self
interest. This is what the world order, at least among all the
countries in the world, and how they operate among each other is
that this is mutual understanding that, hey, we're going to act in
the interests of ourselves. So when we offer you something, we
know that you're not out to, further a different type of
ideological agenda, you're not out there to push communism, or Islam,
or any kind of other ideology, at least on the state level, they're
not interested in that. So they need people who they can negotiate
with who they can have agreements with and make geopolitical
treaties with so that they can further their economies and other
economies, or their trading partners economy as well. And so
the the Zinus have seen this as a way to kind of choke, any kind of
resistance in the Muslim world, and on the state level. But
furthermore, they've also taken the additional steps to control us
through our fear of losing our job on an individual level, where they
identify that, hey, these people are really attached to their money
like that, like fundamentally, human beings will naturally if you
know as put aside some but you're going to be attached to your
wealth and you want to survive. So they've identified that this
characteristic is a way where we can control people's ability to
speak. So that's why there's so many
Twitter accounts out there and all kinds of different Jewish
activists who are design sector was rather who are investigating
where people work and try to figure out how they can target
their peoples, those people's workplaces and make them shut up
so that they tone tone down the activism. So fundamentally, as
Muslims, we already have these tools to remove ourselves so that
we don't fear their oppression that we can say what we want, and
only requires us to remove our love of wealth that we surrender
our
Being in our future and every kind of false god that we've made in
our mind and related to wealth, money, status power, and we
relinquish that. And we say, eventually on one day when we
stand before Allah subhanaw taala, when he asks us about a situation
like this, where we, we say, Oh Allah, I left everything on the
table for you and your prostration. And you said, if you
look at my heart, and I was willing to throw every single
desire, everything, every ambition I had, in my personal life away
for for Huzzah. And this is this is how they've maintained the
choke on us, because we, as much as we want to, oh, hoping to admit
that. As much as we want to hope that Muslims are above the idea of
greed, wealth, status, power, these things have entrenched
ourselves in our
wider Muslim society. And we have to break free of those these
things. And ultimately, we have to be able to sacrifice because no
nation of Allah subhanaw taala was ever given victory before
sacrifice, this notion that that, oh, I'm going to sacrifice nothing
is something alien to the, the tradition of Muslims. So we have
to be willing to sacrifice something, even though it doesn't
mean that you go and put yourself in a situation where you're
hurting yourself? No. But you have to imagine yourself like, if this
push comes to shove, will I still stand by the Palestinians? Or will
I still stand by Jose, if I was confronted with the prospect of
losing my job, you have to be willing to say when you when I
blows my mind when you see a Muslim scholar who is has over 10
million followers, and you search his Twitter feed, and you can't
find Zionism or Israel even mentioned, that's not that's not
acceptable to me anymore. Dr. Shetty, I can't imagine someone
with that level of influence, who can change the movement and the
current of the Muslim climate? Not even mentioning?
Oh, you went mute again, you hit the mute button.
Last thing you talked about as
God, supposedly, or actually influential people who do know, in
car, yeah, there's, there's, there's a person out there, I'm
not gonna throw him under the bus on your show. But he's got over 10
million pilot followers on Twitter. And he's got he's got an
incredible level of influence that can change the direction of Muslim
sat sentiment, this is just on Twitter. So he's a Muslim,
obviously, he's a Muslim scholar. It's a very well known personality
within religious spaces. And he has this level of influence that
transcends the nation state borders that we have, every corner
of the world knows of this person. And he hasn't yet mentioned, who
is to blame for the criminality and the genocide that's been
committed on the people once you search his Twitter feed, there's
no mention of who it is. And it'd be one thing you know, dark
shadowy, that if this brother was in
a Muslim country, like Saudi Arabia, or some repressive country
where there is, you know, direct
consequences for his speech related to this, I would
understand, I would say, okay, you know, what, at least you're doing
your best he's in another country,
and wants the best of both worlds wants, was making dua for
Palestine, and Palestine and Gaza. And you know, saying, you know,
it's horrible what's happening
to me when these dwarves and prayers, and so these are the
default attitudes every Muslim should have, this is what my 10
year old son, or 12 year old son is making dua for because he has
no ability. This is the default thing that we all shouldn't be
doing this. And it's not it's not that it's not important or
anything, but it's something that's the basic thing. But when
you add a leader aren't able to go beyond that. It shows to me that
you're how much level of sacrifice you're willing to commit, because
you don't want to fall out of favor. Because we know we all know
the truth. Many of these brothers get invited to major into major
speeches and conferences in all kinds of different countries. And
they rationalize to themselves and they say, Oh, well, what benefit
am I going to do if I get banned from this country? Well, who am I
benefiting? If I if this happens to me, and that happens to me, and
this is what do they do? They start turning down the knobs and
become quiet and unwilling to talk about what what needs to be said
because right now we're at this critical moment in history where
every all hands on deck every
single child, whether it's a child or an adult, everyone who has an
ability to make to do something has to do something. And there's
no other way to go about it. Everyone in the studio is looking
who has 10 million followers now.
Now, it's pretty obvious listen up. I can say if you don't care.
No, no, I don't mind. You don't mind. Oh, it's public, right?
Yeah, this is public. This is none other than multibank. Okay, you
guys got it? Right. they've researched it. They got it right.
But listen,
message some of Jamaica tell you what the Syrian one of the Syrian
scholars I think he believes ship Mojito Humpty sent us a message
early on every one of you who was making dua for Philistine
and not making dua against those who are killing the kids of
Philistine, you are also part of the problem, because you're only
trying to play it, do a look at what is good in the world, making
dua for people all wonderful. But you refuse to stop the evil of the
world. So you're allowing the evil to continue, right? This there's
no concept of displacement here like a dirty tub of water, keep
putting pour good water in the dirty water comes out? No, no, you
must in Islam.
Make an in car of the monka, which is basically now when can you not
the examples that you said the examples you said I'm in a state
I'm in a country. We got treaties with this other country, you can't
talk against them. I can't rile up the Muslims against that country,
the ruler will cut my neck off. You know what I would say? Stay
silence better right than saying half truths. But
it isn't in an obligation to negate and just clarify to
everyone what's evil as well. Right? People tend not to like
that they think it's abrasive. But Allah knows best. Right? Allah
knows best when he says in the shahada that we say there is no
God, none worthy of worship,
except Allah. So negation before affirmation, you must actually
point out what's evil to even a claimant Josie, he has an amazing
thing on the
the tricks of shaytaan and one of the tricks or states on is that he
loves to mingle with the truth, a little bit of falsehood, right?
And silence is a saying some people attributed as a hadith
others saying,
you know, that it's not a hadith it's a saying of the wise people
of the OMA, etc. Namely, that ascetic it's one of the shades on
Occulus silence from the truth is a false who maybe does Mufti Menk
have some kind of deals with
Zionists of some sort or other Muslims that part of the deal is
listened to stay silent with that, then I would say listen, what's
your point as a preacher? Is it not to clarify the truth? Why
don't you make your money somewhere else? buy homes, sell
cars, right? Be a real estate guy. Okay.
Yeah, he graduated from Mufti schooling.
Can you guys hear me Salafi Mufti?
Go ahead. But, man, Ron, you make a great point. Where is the
negation of the wrong you cannot just say, Hey, this is the truth
is The truth is the truth. Where's the falsehood so I can avoid it?
Exactly. I mean, I despise this is the this fluffy attitude.
And again, I am recognizing that there may be a moment in time
where you're compromised, but certain things The compromise is
too much. Like if, let's say a little a masjid happened,
something bad happens in a mosque. Right? But my best friend is the
Imam of that mosque, hypothetically. Right.
What happens in that mosque is of this little small amount of
significance in the world. Right. But because it's the most
significant thing happened in the world today. A few compromises on
that. Then you're not a good deal maker then. Right.
dark shadowy, there's a bunch of people in the chat who are
confused I specifically said Mufti make made no mention of Israel
throughout his Twitter feed or Zionism. There's no yeah.
So yes, he is making dua for the Palestinians in Gaza and stuff
like that. But there is no mention if you you can actually search
through their feed. When you go on your phone and open up the app,
you find his account, do a search on that you will will find zero
results of that and I find that incredibly deplorable that a
leader with the status that he has a met or the following that he has
built and amassed over the years based on small simple parables and
examples and you know, simple things that he did. Okay.
You know what, there's many things you could have taken a stand on
back then, you know, forgiven. You know, you didn't you didn't say a
lot when we needed you to say a lot for many years. But this is
one moment where every single Muslim leader has to be speaking
about, directly about the Zionism, the Zionists and the Israelis
and entrenchment in the in wider Muslim world. I don't know how you
can be a leader.
If you cannot make a name, what is bad for us? What who is the who
was a wrongdoer? Who, like you got to name these things? And it can't
possibly,
it can't possibly be that you're compromised to the degree that you
can't even other than name. Right. So where are where are we?
Where's our sacrifice level? And okay.
Zimbabwe. That's where he's from.
What they got deals with Israel, I don't think Israel is worried
about Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe is very much connected with Mohammed bin
Salman and Mohammed bin Salman, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia
is very keen on distancing the Islamic or Muslim sentiment
towards Palestinian hazard because it impedes on them making deals
with Israel. And there have many kinds of many different ambitions
related to making normalization agreements with the Zionist
identity of Israel. And fundamentally, it speaks volumes
because you're seeing other people who are kind of mildly associated
with the kingdom.
Baby backing down and making sure that they don't say anything so
offensive that they won't be allowed into back into Saudi. So
its ties with Saudi that can disallows him from from talking so
much against the Zionists.
And that you see in this Twitter feed here, there is a picture of
the Zimbabwean President meeting with Mohammed bin Salman and he
retweets it for what I'm like, Okay, what did you need to do?
Like you need to give homage to this meeting that's happening
between the Zimbabwean president and, and Mohammed bin Salman, it
was just the most artists retweet that is happening. Yeah, almost
like as if he's saying that, hey, I am on board or at least
endorsing this relationship in some capacity. And it's a blessing
meeting or something of some sort. Because it's just seems so odd
that a Islamic preacher would be retweeting the vile,
vile meaning of that of that sort of someone who is an open enemy of
Islam, who has no problem inviting deplorable singers and performers
to the Holy Land. And it makes no sense why someone would do the
other than that he has some sort of agreement with, or some sort of
ability to make have some kind of benefit with Saudi Arabia. Maybe
Listen, I'll put it this way. Very briefly, your Mufti who's done so
much for the OMA, we all know that.
The fact that you can't speak against,
you know, the Zinus. It's shameful I would say it's wrong. But that's
that's the action as for your reason for taking that action are
going to give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe you got caught up
with some group of people that disallow you to talk about that
your family may be harmed. So there's one thing about pointing
out the action is terrible.
Why did you commit that action? Well, we'll give you the benefit
of the doubt, right to be on the safe side. Maybe there's some
situation there. And that's how we clarify acts versus judging the
person can't judge the person if I don't know his whole history. And
I don't know his whole situation, but I can judge the action. Okay,
we can judge we could definitely judge the action. So that's why
we're not turning against him. We're clarifying what's actually
incorrect that if possible, that he could fix got your it's the
actions your public actions can always be measured on a scale of
right and wrong, why you did them. That's a whole different story. If
Allah subhanaw taala himself said, Adam disobeyed his Lord, and then
another, okay. Yeah, he says,
he forgot.
So Allah give almost gave him an excuse, but he didn't
forego the action. Also add them with a bow. Adam, he disobeyed his
God, his Lord, he ate from the tree. But in another, he says
fantasy out and forgot. Okay, so the action is wrong. As for why
you did it, that I can't pass a judgment on you. But we can say
that if
You're a scholar, if you're an Imam, which of the OMA, we started
to expect you to be pretty clear on the issue of Gaza and the issue
of the Zionists.
10 million people look up to you probably more than any other
English speaking event that's just on Twitter. I mean, imagine it's
Facebook and Instagram and all these other you're you're
effectively talking about entire large populations of large
countries that
the amount of influence you have this in the lobby runs real deep.
How about this? $3.3 billion
in the year 2022.
Nine, that's $9 million a day.
taxpayers money
in an hour. We've been streaming here for an hour over an hour
$375,000 In this in a single hour, every single hour, every single
time. The big hand hits to 12 $375,000 $6,200. A minute.
$105 a second. Okay.
What's the defense? What's the reaction to this? The response to
this is that it's not going in cash, being wired over to Israel,
not all of it.
What is it being? How is that how's that money going over? It's
going over by the government contracting American weapons
producers and other producers of products, and then the product
going out. So they argue that you're just recycling American
money. It's gone from the taxpayer, to those companies, who
then go and get paid and, you know, buy things from Walmart and
stuff like that. So the money just gets recycled. That's the defense.
But this is why also some Republicans are fanatical Zionist,
because they know that the contract they have with the US
government
is only due to design this or Israel's request of that
government. So once you're so intertwined financially, it tells
me this lobby, and this government and this country are going to they
cannot be pulled apart very easily. Right, it's going to take
a lot of force to pull them apart. And who's going to be the force. I
think it's going to be America first. America First movement. And
right now.
It's led by common sensical people. But they're the leaders
are sort of far right wing guys. Right. But common sensical people
are waking up to this. It's like, hold up, we got some serious
problems here in this very country. So why are we actually
sending more and more money, and this is catching on. And it's a
big problem. For the lobby, the lobby has to shut down America
first personalities, they have to
totally agree, I think people like Candace Owens, and IK shields on
Twitter, who are part of this movement. And I think that it's
great that we're engaging with them. And we have to also be
careful because America first can also turn into some kind of a
tizzy. There are some undertones of white nationalism in there and
is a problem. Yep. 100%. So I'm worried about just the same
problem with as Muslims were aligning with the left, that we
have to be careful about our relationships with the right as
well. There are some fantastic things that the these individuals
are bringing about. And
what I'm heartened to see at least is that they are critical thinkers
that you can at least have a good discussion with them where you can
give them Dawa with without the fear or worry that they're going
to be upset about any kind of messaging that you give them. You
don't have to really hold back when you're talking to them.
They're very blunt speakers. And I really enjoyed that about their
dialogue. Yeah, that's why they they don't get triggered, they
don't have these trigger things where they make themselves victims
and go cry about you on Twitter and all that stuff. So they're, I
would say an adversary or an enemy some in some cases that I actually
find easy to deal with. It's like an old school bully an old school
enemy, rather than this new version of things where one little
word and they're gonna cry victim and then it posts all about you
and try to cancel you and Docs you and all this. It gets emotional
essentially it goes from logos.
From from reason I like to argue with someone through reason, and
not through pathos, which is just pure emotion. I can't I can't deal
with those people. So it's troubling the the the nationalist
sentiment that's happening throughout Europe and the United
States, because these these people have benefited the most from
taking the cream of Muslim societies. They've taken our time
Doctors engineers, of the most intelligent individuals, not
people who are just born in, in the West and study through their
programs, but people who are actually part of
prestigious institutions of the Muslim world, and they keep came
and practice, all kinds of different sciences all across
their countries have benefited greatly from our, our fruits, our
cream, and now they are talking about the crimes of isolated
individual, I think there was one in in Ireland. Last week, I think,
who killed a child or something. And they these are being used as a
way to drum up anti Semite or anti immigrant sentiment among their
native populations. I think Conor McGregor was one who had tweeted
out against it and was saying what's happening to our countries
and stuff? And then they go out those same people who are these
nationalists in Ireland, they go out and buy it and go haywire,
leveling or causing all kinds of destruction in their own cities
that they did they, traditionally they would say, Oh, look at those
savage immigrants,
destroying our cities and rioting and looting. And what do you see
now you saw before they could even get to that their own nationalist
hooligans came on the street upset about what happened in Ireland,
and they did the very same thing. They they argument was
under their feet before they could even make it. Yeah, it's funny in
that sense, they're got a question here from Jacob, Jacob the
learner.
What kind of
picture does you have them not even click on that? does the Quran
say that us Jews who come to Islam are special, the Prophet peace be
upon him said they have to rewards to have the reward of having been
Jews then practice or of being Jews, but then practicing it
correctly. And the correct practice of Judaism is to accept
Jesus, then accept the Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu.
So you have the reward of sincerely practicing the faith
that you were upon, not to say that that faith wasn't correct.
But you received the same same message, or the message of the
Prophet and accepted it. So that's why the Prophet said you have two
rewards. So the sincere and correct way of practicing Judaism
Christianity is to accept and traded away almost, that's not the
right expression, but
put a pause on that, stop that completely, and accept the new
message. And that's how you get the reward of both. Okay? That's,
that's the the answer to that. Surely those who believe in those
who are Jews and sapiens and Christians, and those are major
ones and who associate others with Allah, surely Allah will decide
between them on the last day. So a lot of those
verses that would make it seem that God is accepting of Judaism
is of the Jews in the time before Jesus, from Jacob all the way to
Jesus, right when Jesus comes, everybody has to believe in Him.
If you don't believe in Jesus as a Jew, then you're rejected by God.
And not acceptable, you must believe in this major, major
Prophet and Messenger. Now you accept Jesus, okay, Jesus came and
he kept the Moses as Moses as law than he brought the, the Gospels.
You follow that all the way until the Prophet Muhammad comes right
now you have to follow that. Why? Because humans change times
change, laws change. The truth about God and angels and afterlife
is always the same, but the laws change. And you have to follow
every next prophet. So Jacob, what you should do is, recognize Jesus
exists. If you're a Jew, if you're a Jew, recognize Jesus was a true
messenger of God born from the Virgin Mary.
And then Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa Salam is also is the
last and final messenger
and then you will have gotten the reward of your previous belief.
Okay, so that's what I recommend you do and how to someone okay,
how does someone convert? You say, I bear witness that there is none
worthy of worship but Allah, and that Muhammad is his last and
final messenger. That's it? Do I need witnesses witnesses is for
the worldly aspect of your Muslim life. Right? But between you and
God is sufficient in terms of your belief, right? For the worldly
aspects, for example, marriage laws, burial laws, things like
that. Then we need to know your Muslim
You just need to make two or three people know that you're a Muslim.
That's it
so Jacob is interested in Islam.
Okay, and we're gonna we're not gonna leave the stream until Jacob
is satisfied. And all his questions have been answered.
All right, he says I have iffy and uncomfortable versus I need
context. Can I post it? Yes, you can.
Yes, what does? Can you address?
This verse? The Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam said you should
listen and obey to your ruler, even if he's an Ethiopian with a
small head or a head that looks like a raisin.
The prophet is giving the example of the person who the Arabs would
hate to obey. Why would the Arabs hate to obey an Ethiopian? Because
only a short time before that an Ethiopian tried to destroy the
Kava?
Right. Abraha, which is Ebrahimian in Ethiopia in Amharic Abraha
tried to destroy the kava, that is the most sacred
thing today, to the Arabs. So that's why the Prophet gave them
the one you hate the most. If he's your ruler, no rebellions, no
anarchy. It's like saying to going to a guy in Texas, and one of
these Marines and one of these essay listen, you follow your
ruler, even if he's an Arab named Osama. This is the one he hates
the most right.
So the Arabs at that time hated the Ethiopians. Why? Because
Ethiopians conquered Yemen, colonized Yemen, and tried to
destroy the Kaabah. So in their psyche, this is the worst person
okay? That's the concept. Okay, Jacob says, narrated NSV medic,
you should listen to an OB Okay, we got that one. We answered that
what's next?
You know that if a if a person comes in says that he's Should I
take shahada should I enter some have questions before I'm about to
enter Islam? And you don't stay an answer? Your sinful
Nick even he keeps us till six o'clock. Right? As long as it's
sincere. And he's on the verge of entering Islam because that's the
right of Allah. Someone said I'm not pure enough to enter Islam.
The response we I don't know if you were there, but I told him, it
doesn't make a difference. It is a debt you owe to Allah to say I
believe in you and all of your messengers. That's a debt you owe
to God whether you're the
the most vile person or the most moral person
we have to bring the most bizarre exceptions Ryan.
Ryan says Oh, but we still have to stop for prayer. While you bring
in these seventh grade exceptions, you know like seventh graders, you
say the most general thing they bring you a far exception
Jacob asked for the verse 550 1k What is it though? Surah it's okay
let's look at
the number of the
now if you want to take your shot on live camera you could do that
too
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do and Masada because sorted metadata has
no you don't have to come on on the on the stream and do it if you
need to keep your anonymity no problem here
the reference seems wrong he said okay which were what is the
reference when When?
When you get it right no problem
ah oh you believe Yeah, you're letting me know let's attack a
doula who don't know Zara Elia battledome earlier about in what
is a disobedience to Allah do not prefer
to be
a lot to ally with Jews and Christians
in the disobedience of Allah or the abuse of another Muslim,
right. Do not go inside with the Jews and Christians to attack
Muslims. Or to say, you have an alliance with Jews and Christians
that would make you disobey God. That's the meaning of
and whoever takes them as allies to attack Muslims or in
disobedience to God, then you're one of them. You may be
resurrected with the Mother's Day of Judgment.
Okay, that's the meaning of that verse.
So if there is a Muslim who
was bad, and a Christian who's generally good.
And they have a conflict, what do I do? I don't support the
Christian. I condemn the Muslim and I set him right. But I still
do not join the Christian army against them. Let's say Saddam
Hussein was a really bad guy, which he was right. He wasn't some
great guy at the end of his life. Maybe he made tau, but they say
it and then the Americans who are not really good guys, but in the
eyes of the world, they were the most upright fair. And truth be
told, if you had a court case. And Ron, if you had a court case in
1989, a property
case? Would you rather be in the court of Baghdad or the court of
New Jersey or Chicago where you're gonna get more rights record of
Baghdad, of course. So
a Muslim
no matter what his status, you did not join the Christians over him.
Rather you correct him? He says, Listen, I'm not gonna pile on
another Muslim. That's forbidden for me to do, but I will also not
support you. I'm telling you fix your ways, correct your ways.
That's the meaning of the Prophet saying, help your brother
oppressor or oppressed.
This is a jay Haley. Incorrect. Concepts the Prophet quoted.
So the Sahaba like, oh, messenger, how? He said,
if he's wrong, you correct him. That's how you support your
brother, oppressor or oppressed because the Arabs used to say it's
just pure tribalism. I don't care what my brother did to you. I'm
with my brother. We say the Prophet said kept half of it and
left half of it. Yes, you are with him, but not fighting with him.
Correct him.
Is the Quran uncorrupted? Yes, it is uncorrupted. What are the two
Satanic Verses when he spoke to Satan through some falsehood into
speech but Allah abolished that which in which Satan spoke so we
hold that those narrations are not even sound. And the sutra you're
talking about is sudut and najem. The surah in which it is claimed
that
the Satanic Verses happened is suited to nudge and nudge him
meaning it means a star but a nudge him here meanings, the
revelation, like a shooting star falls down onto the heart of the
Prophet peace be upon. Listen to how Allah opens this chapter of
the Quran, as if knowing that in the future people will, will say
that there were some Satanic Verses in there. The Satanic
Verses for those who don't know mean, or what it refers to is, the
Prophet was reciting Quran receiving revelation from God.
Then Satan quickly threw in whispered a rhyming verse. In that
verse, it says, The idols are the beautiful birds of God, and they
will intercede for people on the Day of Judgment. Okay, that's what
the verses the verse is, we're in No, no, God Nikola, we're in NASA
to Hoonah literature. That's what the alleged Satanic Verse is. So
it's like a defensive idolatry, and that Satan stuck it stunk.
snuck it in there. Look what Allah says, to give you your heart
certainty that the Quran has been corrupted. This chapter of najem
opens with
by the star when it sets or Revelation when it comes down to
the Prophet, Your Your companion has never aired, nor has ever been
deceived. Regarding the revelation, the prophet has never
made a mistake, nor he was deceived, nor does he speak of his
own desire, it has nothing other than inspiration that wasn't he
was inspired. Okay.
So, as if saying, we know that this surah people will make false
claims about the revelation. Allah opens the sutra right?
negating any possibility of
corruption in the Quran.
Yeah, it was a narration that was not accepted at all all right
Bokhari. 2252 Did you put pull up pull it up Omar?
I think that's what Satanic Verses okay
cathedral cathedral that is simply a
no, even cathedra is just a scholar. He's just and someone who
is
a scholar. He's not a prophet or anything
where's that? Not? I have no clue what that is. No.
Adam, let's take one more. And Brian is we've been dragging him
right on in this.
But he's you're accustomed to these four or five hour podcasts?
Oh, yeah.
is we're going five hours No, no, we're gonna wrap up now. But tell
me something and Ron how what's the status of madmen Luke's? Well,
so far, we're doing good hamdulillah it's
we just had a
multi day event with a brother from the UK name Sammy Hamdi. And
you guys heard of him, but he's pretty going pretty.
Well you hit mute again.
Why does he keep hitting mute?
I don't know why it's keep going mute. But we have we've been doing
a little tour across Chicago across many different methods with
semi Hamdi and we did a live show on our channel as well. The madman
Luke's can we bring him here? Yeah, of course. He's, uh, let's
talk offline. Let me Well, first, we'll figure it out. Yeah, let's
figure it out. If we're leaving December 22 For ombre. But we'd
love to have him here. Oh, he's that's when he's coming.
Oh, you're organizing? I thought he's right here. Oh, he was
already here. And then he left but he's coming back again. And that's
when I was gonna think we're getting you. in touch with him.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's coming in for you know how we have that ignite
convention. That massive convention? Yeah. That's when he
was going to be in Chicago. Yeah. So anyway, we had a multi day
event. And it's amazing, Dr. Shadi because it's speaks volumes about
the direction that the Muslim world is headed, especially
specifically in the West had someone like him, who was very
well known for his
attacks on or if these verbal attacks, you know, on Mohammed bin
Salman and in many different
countries in the corrupt nature, that someone like him is being
given the member, the member all across the Muslim world, they're
getting the podium, he's being allowed to speak in the, on the
masala and that he's
effectively not getting any not being given any restriction in
what he says and how he says it. He's being invited to be the Juma
katiba everywhere and it's warmed my heart because it's about time
Muslims put something on the line for their brothers and sisters in
the hodza that they can no longer sit by and idly and hoping and
praying for the congressman to do something. It we all know the
truth of the matter. We know that it is the
the ineptness, the impotence of Muslim rulers, all across the
Muslim world who have failed Letsa in Palestine and all the Muslims
in every area, whether it's the Uyghurs in China, or the Burma or
the Burmese or in Sudan, we're happy where they've all been
massive, colossal, colossal failures, who don't operate from a
interest in Muslims or Islam. But rather they care about their
wallets and how fat they got.
They love the truth. And just speaking the truth. He's so strong
in what he's saying. And you worry for him, I worry for him to get a
car accident, you know, so called because Saudi they don't play
games MBS will chop you up? Yeah.
We talked about that. And, ultimately, this is exactly what
what I'm telling you ducks, are just our listeners in general, is
that we have to be able to sacrifice something, if we don't
wear it less. For every one of us that cares. And there's 1000 that
don't or just care on the periphery, it's then find that
they don't care enough. It's that there's a saying that human beings
have this inherent problem where they don't, it's not that they're
that they're not caring people that their care doesn't extend a
line of sight, that what's in front of them is what they care
about. And if there is a poor person in front of them, that or
person from a hazard that's in front of them then useful, of
course, okay, we're just not this, like leftist idea of you know,
humanity's evil. We know we understand that there is a balance
of human beings that we we tend to neglect, people suffering that is
not right in front of us. And we as Muslims have to make sure that
this idea this, the sacrifice the the suffering of huzzah is alive
in people's hearts and that everyone has some part some role
to play, even if it is just in a matter of your family, your
immediate family and making sure that your children are well
informed, and that there is a whole new generation of children
who are raised and are equipped to handle and fight back or at least
in terms of activism against the Zionist propaganda. This
dynasty. I have no idea what they've created in with this mess.
What they've effectively doing with the people of Gaza is that
they really raised a whole new generation of Muslims who and non
Muslims who have seen their atrocities and will fight back
against it. You saw Kamala Harris's daughter, right? Yeah,
yeah, there's definitely people if people want to wonder what's going
to disentangle the military industrial complex from the lobby.
It's people's kids. Yeah. When you're gonna be these people who
have multimillion dollar contracts. They're not machines.
They got families. Yeah. They have people who love them and they love
them right there. They have an emotional drive in them to
preserve those bonds. And when those other bonds are not with you
anymore, people will start to change and Kamla Harris, look at
some of her latest comments and you start wondering, right? If
she's being influenced clearly she's been and that's her
stepdaughter. It's not even her daughter. For those you don't
know. Kamala Harris is the Vice President's stepdaughter. She's
Jewish, and she's raised millions of dollars for children of Gaza.
She's unashamed
unabashedly in her support for the Palestinians. Right and Kamla
Harris is now clearly in a situation now in a bind. Hey,
Omar, let's take one of these the last few questions on Sahih
Bukhari if you could look that up. I'll just answer the question on
decorations, decorations for anything, whether it's your
yourself, your home, it's determined by something called The
Art of all it is the custom of the community and the customer the
community is determined by the pious Muslims. What would the what
would 10 pious Muslims consider to be excessive? Right? Like how much
is too much for us for a shoe? How much money is too much?
For a shoe that would be a waste of money that God will look down
upon and discouraged or even consider sinful. Well, how do we
know that it's relative? Okay. God in His the messenger peace be upon
him they didn't operate in the dollar and live the way we lived.
So we can't go there. For the answer the answer we we go to the
pious Muslims who fast and pray
and you just through their company, you will know what these
measures are. You say to somebody 50 years ago, or when I was a
child, and I'm Ron was a youth that you got a shoe for $120.
This was a Seraph excessive spending, and it was something
that you could say very easily is discouraged or sinful.
Today $120 for for a pair of sneakers. You got a bargain. All
right. You got to do
that. Even Dr. Shadi did they're saying now it's everything's being
used as, oh, Abu Hanifa used to dress nice. You can spend $500 on
shoes or shoes while your brothers and sisters are struggling in the
plaza. You can go on your multi country. Yeah. Loses and vacations
and stuff. So it's, it's about it's really troubling, how some
people's examples are being used. Yeah. And if they knew if those
individuals knew that there were being used as an example, to do a
Seraph and to hoard wealth. Yep. It would they would never have
done that in the first place. They wouldn't say would have been
mortified at the idea that they were they're being used as a a
it's an example to future Muslims. Yeah, they can spend ridiculous
amounts of wealth completely.
Jacob says, is the Quran just for Arabs? No, it is not.
The Quran and Islam is for all Muslims. I mean all people
from the time of the Prophet until the end of time,
all continents and all people
care fatten leanness, Allah says We have sent you to all people
Kapha tendinous
okay
is it for me to Yes, the Quran is for everybody is calling Jews,
Christians, to the Final Word of God, affirming all the past
prophets and their books, except that their books have been
altered. So we don't know what's true and what's false with the
Bible. what's true and what's false of the Torah. We don't know
it's true, it's been altered. And so Allah gave us the final word
I saw some verses where it says it was to the Arabs. Yes. Maybe
giving an example to those Arabs at that time. Some address to
those Arabs at that time. But not the message as a whole is not just
to the Arabs.
Maybe some verses speaking and addressing the tribes around the
prophet at that time doesn't mean the message is only for them.
Jacob, what are these? Citations? Could you put the link? Alright,
we're going to do 10 more minutes. And then Jay, is someone here
connect with Jacob, someone who has knowledge connect with Jacob
so that he can
have somebody to
Adams? No, no, no, you. Adam says it is difficult for audit today.
Since it's a globalized world. The audit is based on the people that
live with you, in your area in your town in your city. So
Americans, for example, right? And even the prices in New Jersey are
different than prices in Omaha, right, Nebraska.
So you just look at your local mosque and the local masajid
around you those pious people will help us determine the odd
There you go all mod dot I best Yes. If he decided.org. All mod
we'll be checking his email Jacob. We have to stay in touch with you.
We will stay in touch with you. All right. I don't want to give it
in the comments. Do you have an email there? Yeah, there you go.
Email. All metadata. Bass. Yeah. Safina cited.org. Okay. And there
you go. Hey, I'm Ron, thank you so much for this long episode that
you've been on with us. Yeah, absolutely. Whenever you need me,
Chef, I'm always there. Just shout at me and I'll, I'll come on. If
you if you need me there. I'll fly over there. Listen, I'll tell you
what, sometimes when we have a guest, I'd like to have a third
person to talk with. But I promise you, we won't keep you to three
hours like we did today.
Now it's my pleasure insha Allah and an incredible honor. Please
give my salaam to brother Moin and Alex and
everyone else over there. I will tell them just take a look at it.
Alright, take care of philosophy and thank you, everybody for
for hanging in with us and make dua for Jacob to come and give
Allah His hop, and purify himself and he's gonna feel so happy the
moment he enters Islam, because that's the nature of the truth.
When it settles in the heart, it expands it and gives you a sense
of relief that you accepted, but you don't have to worry about
every single little thing as you begin to sit here. You don't have
to worry about just two questions. Is Allah real? Is the Prophet
Muhammad true? That's it. Everything else you figure out
learn that later. All you need to worry about Allah and Muhammad
Sallallahu it was that's all you need to worry about. Just come
along and and everybody Subhana Allah humo behind it. I said the
Illa Illa antenna stopped going into a lake whereas in Santa Fe Of
course, Ill Alladhina amanu Minnesota had what to watch over
Hawk what was sub sub was salam o aleikum wa rahmatullah wa
barakato.
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