Sajid Ahmed Umar – Stories of Al Kahf #07 – When Giants Meet Part 3

			Assalamu alaykum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh dear respected viewers at home, I wish you all well
insha Allah Allah, and welcome to stories from our calf, where the set Sajid on hamdulillah we
previously left off on the story of Moses,
		

			titled when giants meet, and inshallah we'll be going to the last part of the story in the slammer
alikhan
		

			the heck out of like a fella Bless you. I mean, I mean, and you also share how
		

			you adjusted to Britain? I've been here for a while.
		

			Haven't been allies most kind hamdulillah hamdulillah? Seems like you're losing your accent, or
United States solid theories?
		

			Well, let's see how they show progress. I insha Allah last week, perhaps some of adopting your
accent, maybe you having an influence on me? Maybe, maybe, maybe so or vice versa. hamdulillah.
They, last week we were discussing the etiquettes of, of how to seek knowledge and how to receive it
and from both perspectives as a student and a teacher. inshallah, maybe we can talk a bit about that
before we move on to the actual core of this discard discussion. Yeah, so we just went through the
whole reason why Allah sent musataha Allah be pleased with him both, and the whole process of how
Musa found together and you know him on his journey with you shall be noon. And then how they
		

			approach together. And how can I spoke to Moosa and all the Atticus that we can, we can we can take
from the if I recall, correctly, we stopped at the point where by Heather made an excuse for moose
and he said, Look, you're not going to manage to be patient with what I do that you know, you're
going to learn from me by accompanying me and viewing and witnessing my actions, right. But you
won't be able to be patient with me. But he then qualified his statement that this is not an
accusation, I'm not trying to accuse you, or put you down. I'm not trying to belittle you, I'm
telling you, you won't be able to because how can you and I will be acting on a knowledge that you
		

			don't have? And how can you when you are so accustomed to being the one who knows everything, and
now you're in the company of someone who knows something that you don't. So he's not saying I'm
putting you down by the statement, he's making an excuse for him. And the last thing we said that we
should learn from this, that whenever we, you know,
		

			you know, address somebody, and if we address them in a way that they might take some negativity
from them, we should go ahead and find make an excuse, or meaning qualify, our state militia say
that you qualify our statements of the person we addressing, it doesn't take the wrong,
		

			the wrong end of the stick the wrong understanding, because we must know the shavon shavon is an
enemy, a common enemy, not a common enemy? And what does Allah say about him initially upon Allah
Khan had,
		

			that indeed shade on to you is an enemy, then Allah commands us to take him as an enemy.
		

			And today, sadly, we don't take him as an enemy. We know he's an enemy, but we don't take him as an
enemy. There's a difference. Allah didn't say, indeed, your party is an enemy to you. So now know,
you should know he's an enemy loss. So take him as an enemy. Right. So when we think this way, when
when we address somebody will be more sensitive, what we say and qualify what we say, because we
need to know never forget the shaitaan on the other side, who is going to try and spoil things?
Understand? Yeah, so this is basically where we act, but let us we'll carry on inshallah. So most of
then says, to actually, no, this is what Hitler says. He said, If you follow me, then do not
		

			question me about anything until I myself speak to you about it. Yeah. Yeah. So this is an
interesting part, again, in terms of the etiquettes because, you know, today, people fail to
differentiate between being harsh and being firm.
		

			And the teacher needs to be firm. Now, we have pedagogy and we have andragogy. This is obviously a
case of andragogy. andragogy relates to adults, teaching adults, or adult learning pedagogy is with
children, it's different.
		

			But here we have a teacher who knows that he has a student who is a is a prophet, and who is used to
you used to things being a certain way. And this is a different circumstance, a new circumstance for
for him, and his human nature is that he can be quick sometimes. So and the way I'm going to teach
him it's a way that needs patience. So what does the teacher do? The teacher is firm. That teacher
lays down the rules and regulations for studying at my Institute, that if you're going to study at
my Institute, you got to be punctual. For example, you got away your unit.
		

			For example, you got to be a diligent student, for example, right? If you're absent, and this is the
process of being absent, for example, the fees have to be paid in this way, for example, right? We
require you, for example, to enroll yourself into character development exercises during the
holidays and the weekends, for example, these are my rules. Yes, if you want to be my student, and
this is how it's going to be, this is not being harsh. This is being being firm. This is being from
that this is how it is, and you will be held accountable to these rules. It will go to the story of
use of it. He said, We traveled to the story of another prophet, which is also a story. When the
		

			brothers come in, and they plead with us have that look, please, please, please, can you just give
us the share? For our brother who's not here? We can't manage to bring him we can't manage this fee,
his father won't let him go. You says no, the rule is we see your head and we give you your quota.
We see you when you get your quota. So if you wanted for him bring him he said No, please, you know,
this is the situation that is the situation use of says, Look, you've seen that I am adjust person,
I'm honorable person, right? Bring him and I won't let you down, you won't be a wasted trip. If you
bring Him you will get his share. But if you don't bring him then you will not get a place to stand
		

			in front of me. You will not receive an opportunity to stand in front of me is this harsh? This is
fun. These are the rules saying his conditions. You know, this is this is the rule. Now today we
mistake this for being harsh. The teachers being harsh, no, the teachers following the rules. And
when people you know, they find that you know someone else is being harsh, then they need to stop
pointing fingers. And they need to start understanding that this three fingers pointing back at
them.
		

			You know, once I said this to a young person, it goes to show what if I point like this?
		

			Oh, my fingers.
		

			but you get the point. Yes, that you know we quick to blame. But let's take a step back. Hold on is
the problem with me here? I mean, did musashino accept complaining? No. I start saying Hey, why are
you being judgmental? And why are you telling me this? Why are you setting harsh rules? I traveled
all the way to see you I lost the fish I was hungry. I've come you don't know my situation. Why are
you telling me like this? are you setting rules by don't repeat? No, this is the situation I
shouldn't now hold somebody meaning in a lesser regard. Because he's telling me the situation in the
same breath creator teaches us how educational institute should be yes, that educational institution
		

			should be an educational institute series, not an industry. Yes. We shouldn't call education an
industry that I'm here to make money so that everything come and we'll all sing Kumbaya, Kumbaya and
that just everything be how it wants to be as long as everybody's happy now, if you they have a
vision, whether you sing I have a vision, when my students study with me, this is how it has to be.
You get what I'm saying? Right? So the education institution also said it and then what happens so
you move on to the next part where it's discussing the stories and all that happened on the boat.
Yeah, so I want to summarize basically, for the viewers so how the story goes is that after
		

			everybody was happy, Moosa heard what he needed to hear. He said what he needed to say. Moosa went
along with that now,
		

			this particular educational process, was a process of learning through observation, visual based
learning, visual based learning that I went to watch. And I'm going to absorb, and I'm going to
contemplate, and then I'll wait for the explanation. Yes, right. So this was the process. So what
happened, they went on a journey, they went, they came to water, when they came to the water. The
person who had the boat recognized, he said, This man is a noble man. So he says, look, you know,
		

			you can cross without any charge, you put him on the boat and loose and further went on the journey.
Now, interestingly, from the sadhana, in the narration that tells us about Moses journey to him. It
actually says that Hitler had a conversation with Musa and said, Look Moosa, you know, I know from
the knowledge that you don't know and you know, from the knowledge that I don't know. And once they
were having this conversation, Allah sent a bird that sat on the edge of the boat and dipped his
beak in the water and drank a little bit from the from the sea that they were in, and he tells Musa
Musa, how much do you how much water do you think this bird has taken from this old from the sea?
		

			And obviously, it's nothing. It's nothing negligible, nothing was mentioned, you can actually say,
took nothing. So then that tells Moosa that, you know, the knowledge Allah has given you and me that
the knowledge He's given us does not remove from his knowledge except the water him removed by this
bird from the sea. is teaching that this our vast knowledge of Allah is that you know, you said
there's no one more knowledgeable on earth than me. The fact of the matter is what you know, is
nothing compared to what Allah knows. And Allah teaches who he was. And these are the two most
intelligent
		

			people that people at the time, right I mean, what is this title of this episode when giants meet
this? These are giants meeting? Yes, amazing, right? Yeah. So now they cross the water when they
cross the water heater, just you know.
		

			You'd say out of character, he damages the boat. He removes peace of the boat, which would mean it's
become a defective boat, a boat that can sink. If you add weight to it, it's gonna sink. And he left
the boat so Mussa. What is most what happens directly after it says?
		

			So they went on their way until when they embarked on the boat. He made a hole in it. Most I said,
Have you made a hole in it to drown its inmates? Certainly I've done a unrighteous thing. Ah, yeah.
Now, isn't this being hasty? One could assume so yes.
		

			That Listen, you didn't ask, why did you do this? Right? This is this is passing judgment, that
you've done an evil thing. And I'm accusing you How can you do this? He was good to us. And even
being good to him. There was a level obviously not in the context of the context of us today. Yes.
Moosa saying that look, this is a you know, look at the
		

			camera, you've you've done, you've done a mighty thing. You know, this person was good to us. And
without charge, he gave us the boat. He didn't use I didn't ask, and listen, what's the wisdom here?
Look, I know you are biased toward me. You're a knowledgeable person. And I'm sure there's something
going on here. You don't you don't allow it in praise. If you will dislike schizophrenia,
schizophrenia, in one minute you'd like this next minute you're acting out of character.
		

			So now, Moosa just went in and said Hey, what are you doing right? And as a result, what did what
did what did he say? He said, either there or not say that you will not be able to have patience
with me? This is not being harsh. Yes, this is being you know,
		

			this is being remember that earlier lesson is being firm that shows you a teacher and student
relationship and hold on and you know this also being patient from Heather sometimes you'll say that
has no story you broke the rules one strike you out, right? No, listen, Did I not say and
Subhanallah How is the teaching Moosa? He's not East making him think Did I not say no, you think
about your actions Yes, yes. Not in the you know, the modern way and people just straight away come
with the with the pink finger pointing and you know, turning everyone off, so it's a different
approach Subhanallah So, it's amazing. With that note, inshallah We'll end this episode and carry on
		

			after the break. We hope to see all with us after the break in Charlotte Allah Jackson Walker chef,
		

			libre cat.
		

			salaam aleikum wa rahmatullah wa barakato. And welcome back. After the break, inshallah, we will
start with the second segment of the show, discussing when giants meet in Sharla. So she, as we've
discussed the first story here, of when Heather and mosa have embarked on the boat. What happens
next? Yes, so
		

			they have got off the boat Moosa has, you know,
		

			he's protested? or what have you done? And whether it's either his patient as a teacher could have
said, No, I did this because of this ABCD. He didn't say anything like that. He said, they don't
tell you, you won't be patient is not the time for you to know the answer to this question now.
		

			Now you think about your actions. And this teaches us from an educational perspective that we don't
have to meaning in, in education, there's certain knowledge that needs to be taught later.
		

			It can't be taught now. And we see this in terms of how modules are designed, right, you have a
hierarchy in terms of how you, you introduce the lesson to the student or the series of lessons to
the student, right? You might want to know that, but it's not time for you to know it. Now,
sometimes you might be in a classroom and a student might put up his hand or her hand. And he or she
might ask about a certain thing. And you know, it's coming. Instead of addressing it now and adding
further confusion to students who are not perplexed or confused by what's happened. You say, listen,
we received your question, but it's coming just be patient insha Allah, and if you wait, you will
		

			understand what happens now in a greater way. But if I explained it to you now, it will only open
another can of worms, it will become even more confusing. There is a mighty teacher.
		

			Then what happens is they you take us to your shop. So most identity says he said Musa blame me not
for what I forgot and do not constrain me to a difficult thing in my affair led to academics in
Amina moosari salam says do not please do not. Please forgive me. It's basically saying please
forgive me, please give me a chance because I forgot. Yes. It's just human nature. It wasn't it
wasn't it? There's a difference between me saying, I know I told I know you told me that I won't be
able to be patient. And I know I told you that you will see from me what pleases you. And despite
all that, I'm
		

			protesting, no moose. I didn't say that.
		

			Moosa is humble enough to know I made a mistake. And asked, this is the etiquette of learning that
when you when you don't know, and you know that you don't know, this is where you will start
learning. Because we have four types of people. We have people who know and know that they know
		

			those scholars that said that in this case, but then we have people who don't know, but they think
that they know. And these are ignorant, dangerous, people can't teach them anything. They think they
know everything. When you're going to teach them. You try and tell him something. He goes I know. I
know. I know. I know. He knows everything. But he doesn't know but he thinks that he knows this
disease. But then you have like musas case here. I don't know. And I know that I don't know. So
Moosa is seeking forgiveness. He is he said, I forgot. You are absolutely right. And because of
that, Musa could continue learning. So what happens in the next story is when they meet the young
		

			boy, yes. So then, the journey continues. Heather allows Moosa to be with him, everything is fine.
And then Heather,
		

			meets this young boy, and Heather takes his life. So what happens then takes his life and NASA says,
Have you slain an innocent person? Otherwise done for manslaughter? Certainly, you have done an evil
thing. And what what read read to me read the ayah for our viewers in Arabic, found thought acquire
is our old movie, he mean a shape on your Raji thumb, Paula or had either let the lemon katella who
call a cartel, an Epson key,
		

			a cartel and iveson key yet be high enough still called the Shea and no claw. Okay, the point that
we need to we need to know Jay set up cartel is asking a question, right. Compare that to the first,
the first time after the boat incident. How did musar protest? What did he say? He said,
		

			Have you made a hole in it to drown it in? Have you made a hole? This is not a question. This is a
statement. Right? He made a statement. But then he said you're not being patient. And he says, Okay,
please forgive me. So as musala and his length, because now in the second instance, what is WUSA
saying he's asking a question? Yes. That Have you done this? Right? Can you see it's changing? You
notice the nuance is a difference here? Yes. That Moosa is protesting Yes. But in the form of a
question that Okay, all right, the last time it was hasty. All right. But guys, have you done this?
You've taken an innocent library read first, the translation?
		

			Have you slain an innocent person, otherwise, for manslaughter for manslaughter? So he's saying,
Have you done this? And if it's so then, certainly you have done an evil thing? Certainly, I've done
an evil thing. So now it's in the form of a question. Is that a statement? Yes. All right. What
happens after that then says, Did I not say to you that you will not be able to have patience with
me? She This is a firm teacher. I want to I want you, I'm going to teach you. Right? And this is how
I'm going to go about it. Right? Did I not tell you this? What is this? I say? If I asked you about
anything after this keep me not in your company. Indeed. You should have then found an excuse for me
		

			to then yeah, so. So first was protest. Second was, let's say protest. Let's say it was it was a
question. Now, Moosa here is setting the precedents that look okay. All right. We've got to be
realistic here. Right? He's had two chances. I've had two chances. If I do it again, it's going to
be lost the departure is going to be the question that separates between so what happens the next
story is what so they went on until when they came to a people of a town. They asked them for food,
but all of them refused to entertain them as guests. Then they found a wall in which it was his
falling point. Yeah. So he then put a
		

			fixed it Yes. Yeah. For the most I then said, if you had please do you might certainly have taken
some recompense for it. So he could have taken away Yes. Now how is Moosa saying it here read? Just
read the part in Arabic only if you had pleased if you have pleased, Fie her Did you read a young
gamma? What'd he say? Low? Low shader? What is he says, Hey, now, this is Musa is saying it's your
decision, but I'm just giving you advice, it might be a good idea to ask them for money. Mm hmm. Can
you see how the how boosters interaction is changing? Right. Moosa is saying they refuse to feed us.
They refuse to honor us and then you fix the wall. You know, why don't you just move Don't you think
		

			it's a good Don't you think it's a good idea if we ask them for if we what he saying Don't you think
but it's not like he's not putting it across as a suggestion. What do you get across as advice that
what do you think you know, lets you know it's not a bad idea if we ask for compensation that we can
buy our food because we have helped them. Can you see this cake so can you see how mousse has led?
Yes, who says a good student The situation is changing.
		

			What happens,
		

			then says they shall be our separation between me and you. This is our separation This is from this
is from that, look, let's not waste each other's time now we've reached the end point, this speech
of yours is the speech that is going to separate between us as per your statement earlier. As for
us, and now it's three chances now. Right? So now we will nd and I will explain to you what
happened. And he goes on to explain later goes on to say that look, with regards to the boat, I did
what I did, because there was an oppressive King, who was usurping the wealth of people, the good
wealth of people, and this boat was the wife of a poor person. So if I left the boat as it was, this
		

			poor person doesn't know that that King is usurping wealth, he's going to lose his entire boat. So
I've damaged it. So the poor person can still have his boat, because the king will look at it and
say, No, I don't want this boat. And the poor person can fix it. And he still has his, his boat,
that, you know, apparently it looked like I was harming him. But in reality, I was being good to
him, because he was good to us. He gave us the boat for free. And I've done something on the
knowledge that I have to make sure he has his boat. And it's, it's not taken from him. He said that
amazing.
		

			So this is a point then he says, And as for the young boy, then he had righteous parents. And in
some narrations, or some of the scholars have commented that by parents here, it actually means
grandparents, great grandparents, that Subhan Allah when you righteous as a parent, then your
progeny generations down Allah would have mercy upon them because of your righteousness. That's
amazing, right? But even if you say it was his parents, that because of the righteousness of the
parents, the boy is receiving goodness, but somebody will say, but how is this goodness he was just
his life was taken. Some of the scholars have commented to say that his parents were righteous. And
		

			he had, he wasn't upon, meaning he the way he was carrying on, he wouldn't have ended up turning
into puberty as a believer. So Allah had mercy on his parents by causing him to pass away at a young
age. Because if you die before the age of puberty, then you get to do paradise, you get to paradise.
So the writers of the parents of the boy was saved so that in the hereafter the parents can be with
the child.
		

			And then, but obviously, this is not from God Almighty, this is not anybody dreaming things up. And
that's what the scholars say that he was a prophet. Yes. So you can act like this. Yeah. Then he
goes on to say, and as for the wall, then there was there was wealth underneath it that belongs to
202 orphans, and had the wolf oil and the wealth would have been exposed and the people of the
community would have usurped it and these orphans wouldn't have gotten gotten the rights, they
wouldn't have received the rights. So I fixed the wall, still a time when the orphans can extract
and get their money when they reach a stage whereby it can't be usurped from them. So I Oh,
		

			actually, it was only good. So and then he tells Moosa that this is the explanation to all the
burning questions you have regarding basically everything that I did. It's absolutely amazing. This
particular story just travels through, you know, one after the other one after the other, you
receive etiquette, etiquette, etiquette, etiquette, etiquette. And as we said, You know, I mean,
Moosa and Heather, this this story, I think should be they should be research paper. And perhaps
there is one item that dives deep into, you know, the theory and the practical of this interaction,
we must answer why? Because this should become the basis of education as an institute.
		

			It definitely, I mean, the relationship between Heather and mosa is something that majority of us in
teaching roles can definitely derive benefits from, you know, having the correct etiquettes in the
therapy of children in raising them in a way that they want to learn rather than being forced to
learn in that matter, like Hitler did say to masa, you know, he didn't say in a very harsh way in to
detail him.
		

			About discussion. Yes, and we've discussed in previous episodes this concept of haywire and
discussion in Surah Kahf. And earlier when we spoke about the people of the cave, the civil steep,
as we said, it was a time of weakness, and they chose to be in conspicuous and they chose here our
discussion the man of the man with the two gardens, it was a case of discussion taking place between
them. So you know, the surah as a whole is teaching us at a time of weakness how to be and is
teaching us how to build ourselves to a position of strength, how, via the story of moose and hidden
by seeking beneficial knowledge and putting that knowledge into practice in a beneficial way. This
		

			is what's going to take you out of weakness and put you into the strength into position of strength,
which is the position of carnitine which is our next episode in sha Allah Allah with that no
inshallah, we will end this segment episode of the show. hope you are well and benefited from this
part of the show in sha Allah to Allah and we hope to see you on our next episode bidding in the
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