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rubella humanization of regime. Elizabeth COVID hikma well known a bottle Hassan was added humility
here. In our Baccarat movie man, Bala and Sevilla, he was looked at him from a silly Emory wahoo
looked at him in the San Diego County. I mean, I mean, from what I was told about this gathering, I
first of all, I'd like to express how honored I feel, and what a great opportunity it is to be in
such noble company. What I was told about this gathering was that there are people in this audience
that have quite a bit of experience in the field of that one, they're very active in that field, in
various capacities. And this is that we're done not only to the Muslim community, but also to the
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non Muslim community. And of course, the ayah that I recited, for anybody who is involved in this
field is probably very, very familiar with this ayah. And they've heard it many, many times. What
I'd like to share with you today is that this ayah contains in it an incredible number of lessons.
It's it's a pretty remarkable brief statement in the Quran, but it contains in it volumes of wisdom.
And what I like to do in these 30 minutes is to highlight at these two dimensions of this is so
there's two, there's many ways of extrapolating or benefiting from this ayah. But there are two that
I'd like to highlight before you. In a rough translation Allah is saying, with the Arabic call to
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the path, or the way of your master, Bill hikma, you can translate that as using wisdom. What more
ever tell Hasina and to give and by using good counsel, good advice, which ideal humility here is
and and argue with them or debate with them, engage with them in a way that is better in Naropa, who
will be Mangala and severely your master, certainly, he is far more knowledgeable of who is misled
or who is lost straight away from his path, what will and will be moved in and he knows the people
that are committed to guidance. Now in that statement, when Allah says the word I'd like to start,
he says call to the path of your master. And the idea of calling or inviting someone. The first
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interesting thing is you don't invite someone to a path, you invite someone to a destination. If you
give someone an invitation, you give them an address, which is not the road, but what goes at the
end of that road. So it's really unique that in this ayah, instead of Allah saying, call them to the
destination, he said, Call them to the path. With Elizabeth Arabic, this is unique already. This has
many implications. Think about this. When you're calling some people to a road or a path. That means
not everybody has the same starting point. Not everybody is traveling at the same speed. Not
everybody is actually making the same kind of progress. Some people are far ahead in the journey,
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some people are far behind in the journey. And you have to assess Who are you calling, and maybe
what the person you're calling, they're far behind on the road. And that's okay, so long as they're
on the road. And some people are far ahead on the road. And that's okay, because they are, you know,
more capable to be farther ahead on the road. And some people when they get on this road, they're
going to travel very, very fast. And they're going to make progress very, very fast. And some people
who get on this road, you know, some people are on a, you can imagine they're in a car, or on a
motorcycle, and some people are on a on a cycle. And other people are walking, other people are
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running and other people are walking and there's some people that are crawling. But so long as
they're on the road and they're making progress, the job is being done. And what that does is it's
not one standard for
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when you're when you're giving downloads to someone, and they even accept as Dean or maybe you're
giving Dawa to someone in your family who's not very particularly practicing. You don't expect from
them the same level of progress and the same kind of change that you had, or their brother had or
their cousin had or somebody else you can't compare them to anybody else. So long as there is some
kind of progress. It's okay. So long as there's some kind of and by the way, there are sometimes
people that are on a road, and they're just standing there on the side. Have you ever seen that?
They're not even moving? And you think, why isn't he moving? Well, you know what, maybe they're
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changing the tire, maybe they're fixing something, and then they're gonna be on their way. There are
some people who have made
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Quite a bit of progress, but you don't see it. But you don't see that they're changing or evolving.
I don't see any differences. Because a lot of the differences, a lot of times the change that is
happening is on the inside, they're still thinking about things. They're pondering things, they're
reflecting things. You might give somebody advice, and you think nothing happened. I told him to
pray, and he still didn't pray. But he's thinking about it. And maybe three weeks from now from now,
they'll start praying, it takes him some time to process. And that's part of the beauty of it is
abelia. Robic. The other thing is the ibaka. You know, it could have been withdrawal, Elin Islam,
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called Islam. But he didn't say that he said the path of your master. So this, this phrase Alembic
is also important because now a live thing, this road, this path that we are inviting towards is
owned by Allah,
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from beginning to end, and is owned by Allah, which means we cannot act like we own this road. We
are also travelers on this road, the one who gives that law is not in any better position than the
one he is giving that law to. Though I'm speaking to you, I have a mic in front of me right now,
that does not necessarily make me a better traveler on this road than yourself. And it may be that
the people who receive this message are far better at traveling on this road than the one inviting
them that happens all the time. And so we have to the diary has to be humble to the fact that
they're not calling to something that they own. Even the knowledge that I have, I actually don't own
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that knowledge. It's a gift from Allah, it's his, and I'm calling to something that's his, you know,
and we have to separate ourselves from that because a lot of times, it's natural. When you're in the
business of giving advice. You start feeling like you're better than people,
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just naturally even subconsciously, subconsciously even if the way you the way you look at people
can change. You know, you can become condescending, without an arrogant without saying anything
arrogant, but you can feel it on the inside. That piece Rebecca keeps me and keeps you from going
down that road. With Earl Elizabeth. Now, there are three ways of calling. You can look at it one
way three, three ways of calling to Allah. He says will hikma will more than half an hour, this
won't be lengthy. Yes. And he says call them with wisdom, call them with good counsel and argue with
them debate with them in a way that is best. So I will have one way of looking at it, then I'll come
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back and I'll look at it yet another way. Okay. So the first way I'd like to look at it is there are
different groups in society, different categories in society. And according to this ayah it seems
that one of the ways you can categorize society, as you can think of it as the influential or
intellectual leaders of society, the professors, the thinkers, the people in the media, the people
that are heads of the major businesses in a society, the political leadership of a society, etc,
etc. Those are the intellectual and innocence elite of a society. Then there is the general
population, huge population, that's the majority of the people, right? This is all kinds of people,
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they work in all kinds of professions, or they don't have a profession. These are the men and the
women, the children, the general masses of a community, right. So the there's the intellectual kind
of elite innocence, and then there's the general masses. And then there's a third category. I'll
tell you about that in a second. The thing is, how simpleness Alessandra Houlihan, you talk to
people according to their level, if I'm sitting in a university, and I'm speaking to only
professors, the way I will speak is different.
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If I'm speaking to a group of teenagers, the way I have to speak is different. And what the IRS
seems to be suggesting is one of the implications is there is a group that you cannot give them
simple reminder. They need something intellectual. They need something profound and deep. You know,
they need something at the level of hikma, something heavier, then there are people that you know,
they come to the Juma prayer, you cannot give deep philosophy and heavy legal discussion at the Juma
prayer, these people just need a simple reminder. I'll know I love the lesson, I give them simple
reminder. So for each category of people, there's a different kind of dogma that we're after
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university could be a PhD thesis, that's also the power of the university, you know. And then on the
on the other hand, the language that you use the, the you know, the style that you use is going to
become different entirely when you're talking to the people at a different level. But then there's a
third group of people. And this third group of people is a small minority, but they're very loud.
These people don't just listen to what you have to say there's some people sometimes they listen,
sometimes they don't listen, sometimes they're interested sometimes they're not interested
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But then there are some times there are people that are aggressive.
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They want to fight with you. They want to argue with you. They want to insult what you're saying
refute you. They want to be they want to poke at you. They want to create controversy. Like in the
case of the prophets of Allah audio cylinder, the majority of people of Makkah, were quiet. Majority
was quiet, some people were very loud and would not have was very loud. And Mujahid was very loud.
You see, in Medina, there were some people that were very loud and aggressive against the Prophet
size on the vast majority of the people of Medina, even the non Muslims were quiet. They were among
the masses of people. Now those people that want to debate with you and argue with you and, you
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know, attack Islam, even nowadays, there are people that are on the attack against Islam. There's a
piece of Dawa about them, but it's not that we're really done with J Dilla. Home bility here, engage
them, debate with them. Don't run away from them, debate them, but don't use their tactics. Their
tactics will be they will, they will, their voice will get loud, they will use hateful speech, they
will use the crowd against you. They will use these kinds of dirty tricks. Allah says Java home when
the theisen delete them, but in a way that is better, with something better. Meaning not just we
have better arguments, but the way in which we argue is better. They're getting angry, yelling and
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screaming, we're calm. We don't get upset. We remain cool and collected. They go this way that way,
the other way but we stay on point we stay focused the Quran for those of you that are interested. A
great example of what jardel humility he acts and in the Quran is sort of Shara the 26th surah.
Towards the end is the debate between Musashi, salaam and film. That's a very good case study of
jasmine homebuilder. See here. How did Moosa handle around because film is a very loud, angry,
aggressive, arrogant politician who's attacking us constantly. And he's navigating it in the best
possible way. It's incredible. And he's got phenomenal Has everybody on his side, the only one on
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the side of musallam is the quiet Harun. You know, that's all he has, you know, and yet he's a if
you study those IOD, by the end of it, phenomenal stumped. Fernando is defeated in his own court, at
the hands of musasa. So that's Jasmine home Villa de hacer now, these three one way that I told you
is that in these three words, to call with wisdom, to call with good advice, and to debate in a
better way is three different populations, the intellectuals with wisdom, the common people with
good advice, and then debate with people that you want to be debate. And this is important, also for
another reason, I should not debate with everybody.
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Like if some non Muslim comes to you and asks you a question you should you shouldn't just Hey, what
about your Bible? What about this? You see your book has these mister Oh, wait, hold on. I didn't
come in for debate. I just wanted to eat some food isn't easy.
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This is why in the IR for those of you that are and many of you are very familiar with the Arabic
language you'll notice in the Oh, is that the old home in a semi layer of a call? Call.
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He didn't say call them he's just a call.
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Because it's open ended. But when it came to judaize ajavon bill it has been delayed them. In other
words, what that means is that why is for everyone, but argument is for a very specific group of
people. It's not for everyone. Do not confuse that with argument. That's a last resort and it's used
for only the people who are aggressive to begin with. Now let's go back. Another way of looking at
these three phrases, inshallah hotel, but I'd like to share with you
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the reliability of the cabin hikma will normally work in house and I can also mean that you have to
that it's out of band have a sense what that means in Simple English. Call people wisely.
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call people to Allah XPath wisely. Sometimes, for example, I meet a lot of mothers from around the
world. And they say my son doesn't pray. What should I keep telling him to pray? And he doesn't
pray. I even yelled at him today and he still didn't pray.
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And I tell the mother, you know why he doesn't pray? Because you're telling him to pray.
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And the more you tell him, the lessee will pray.
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Why? Because your call he sees but I'm giving Dawa. Yeah, but you're not using wisdom.
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That's not wisdom.
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A teenage boy, an 18 year old a 17 year old you have to be a little wise with the way you talk to
them. The way you want to convince them of something and you have to be very patient. It's
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Easier to come down a wild horse than to take care of a teenager and get them to do something. And
to two very different things. And so what we do a lot of times, and that was we don't use wisdom.
Some people, for example, in my own family, there are lots of people who listen to my lectures, but
there are some people in my family, I will never tell them to do anything. I will get my friend to
tell them.
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Because if I told them, they won't do it,
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they're allergic to my voice. Okay. So if even if somebody else said it, exactly the same thing, but
since it came from someone else, they'll listen.
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A lot of wives try to give Dawa to their husbands. Bad idea.
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Bad idea.
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He will listen to anyone in the world.
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But because the hood was coming from you, lady, not gonna happen. It's not going to happen. You have
to find other ways of reaching. And sometimes that way is not with words. Wisdom also means that
you're not only giving speeches and quoting and a lot of people a lot of bad wisdom, you know, or
lack of wisdom. A lot of times people say, Hey, watch this video. Watch it. Watch it. Please don't
make them watch it.
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Watch it.
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Sure. You know,
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we have to sometimes that was just Hey, let's come along. Let's go for a drive. Get some ice cream.
And hey, look, can I just stop over? I just have to pray and you just pull over and you pray at the
wash day then they just come in anyway. And they feel good coming into the machine. You don't say
anything. And as I see my shit, right, it's good. Right now you
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don't say anything.
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That's hikma.
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By means you have to use tactics. You know other ways of getting people closer to Allah that are
sometimes direct and sometimes not direct at all.
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There are people the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam dealt with that he did not preach to. He
just dealt with them. And the way he dealt with them, they came to Islam. This is the Messenger of
Allah, the recipient of the Quran, you will imagine anybody who walks in, he will start reciting
Quran to them. He didn't. He didn't do that. He dealt with different people differently. Because
that's hikma. This is how you call people. In other words, we have to become a little bit of a
psychologist. We have to study people understand people where they're coming from what they need to
hear, you know.
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So a lot of times, for instance, especially within families, I see these scenarios, you know, you
have, sometimes I I'll give a speech at a program and a lot of parents are very eager to make their
children listen. So they'll bring their, you know, their son or their daughter up to me and say,
Please give him some advice.
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You know, is the worst thing you can do? Because you just embarrass this young man or this young
woman, first of all, and for no reason at all. Now, they hate me for the rest of their life.
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Because they won't forget this. So I take I say to the mother, or the father, okay, I'll give them
advice. Don't worry. And I take them to the side and say I am so sorry.
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Just relax. Not going to give you advice. Take it easy.
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How's it going? What college do you go to just have some other conversation? Just some other
conversation. This is part of wisdom, especially within our family, friends. Some of you are at the
office. And some of you become so obsessed with Dell. You have a non Muslim at the office every day,
you see. And by the way, there's only one God.
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Easy, easy. You don't have to do that day in and day out. That's hikma. The second thing is okay,
when you are going to give a message. If you do get a chance to give a message. What is that good,
good message. And more
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and more Eli comes from the word wild. And what it actually means advice that reaches the heart.
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Please remember that advice that reaches the heart now. And on top of that Allah mentions beautiful
advice that reaches the heart.
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In other words, you don't make someone feel guilty, because that's not beautiful. You don't make
someone feel ashamed. You don't make someone feel dirty. You don't make someone feel less. You give
them what they what they need. And by the way, what reaches the heart, if somebody is going through
trouble, then they need advice about hope.
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When somebody is going through sadness, you know, you give them advice that will help them cope with
their sadness. In other words, the diary the seeker the one calling to Allah is not saying here's my
message, let me give it to you. That is understanding what's going on with this person. What do they
need? What advice do they need? What trouble are they having? You know, the Christian community is
much
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better at this than we are. And more often, they are much better than we are. I've seen it. I'll
give you an example. I was at a church some time ago. Yeah, I go to a church sometimes to understand
what they do.
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So I go to a church and the speech was 10 minutes. The hotma was 10 minutes. It was on a Wednesday
night.
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And after the 10 minutes, you know, what the the preacher did? There's an audience of about 100
people, he says, So who's having any trouble?
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And somebody, I just lost my job.
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It's pretty hard right now. What's your name? JOHN. Okay, everybody, let's pray for john.
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And they all started praying for him.
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And then people come and pat him on the shoulder, it's going to be okay. And somebody else comes to
him and says, hey, there's a new, there's an opening in my company, why don't you give me your
resume? And, okay, who else is having any trouble? I just got divorced.
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And then they have a whole conversation. And they pray for him. What are they doing, they're
actually trying to find out what's going on with people. If you want to be a die, if I want to be a
die, I first have to be a listener.
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I have to be a listener. We are so interested in being heard. We are not interested in hearing.
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In order to give a low level hustler, you have to spend time with people. You have to understand
what's going on with them so you can give them appropriate advice. That's part of wisdom. You know
what I'm saying when I'm saying that a really big part of our dialogue is building relationships
with people
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is understanding what they're going through. your intention is not to convert them. Allah did not
say here with whom Islam suddenly move home or something. No, no, no.
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That's not the point. Call them to a road. Maybe that road one day, we'll get them to take Shahada
Maybe, maybe not. That's okay. But they still need good advice. The good advice in the Quran is for
all human beings.
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You give it
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and then sometimes you're trying to give good advice and somebody doesn't want to take your advice.
You tried to help someone and they became aggressive anyway. And they started yelling at you. That's
what what is what applies then, was the ideal home builder to hear from you don't just walk away,
you can you can defend yourself, but be dignified in the way that you defend yourself. Now, having
said all these, this is not the conclusion of the ayah. The rest of the I'll briefly share with you.
In naramata, Kava and the movie Manuel De Anza De La Hoya and a movie move to the very profound
words. He says your master in fact, he is the one who knows the last ones. The ones lost from his
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path. In other words, I don't decide who is guided and who is misguided.
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Somebody looks like they are misguided for me from my eyes. Allah says you don't know anything.
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You don't know anything. You don't know if that'll be the next alum of the oma. You have no idea. He
is the only one who knows what's possible. You know, in Arabica, multiple time he is the one who
knows, you don't know. For a day, they have to assume that they don't know where the people's demand
is because Yvonne is inside the heart. I can only see the outside, I can't see the inside. So I will
never be able to judge what's going on. I don't know what's going on with people. I don't know where
the man is. Maybe the human is much better than I am. Maybe they just don't know any better yet. So
Allah says, You don't get to judge. Because a lot of times with the eyes, when they're giving Dawa,
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and people are not listening, they get angry. These people are so misguided, they don't even listen.
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You know, I gave so many speeches, and they're still the same way.
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Which Prophet did that? Did the Prophet ever advise people and then get angry if I just spoke to you
and you're still like this.
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That's not the way of profits in North America who Adam and Eve underlines.
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And then he says, well, who are the most and he's the one who knows people that are committed to
guidance. In other words, even ourselves, Allah knows better where we stand. So we need to be in a
very humble position when we give Dawa when we when we share the message of this thing. This is a
service to humanity. It's an act of a Baba. That was an act of a Baba. And it's it just like Salah
has a protocol will do as part of the protocol of Salah standing and then going into Coover and then
coming up and going in to do this part of the protocol salon. The same way this is the protocol of
Dawa. It's how do you do that? What are the policies that you follow? What are the principles that
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you follow? When you invite and in such a succinct, very brief one IRA allows the origin has really
captured everything a person needs to know about data and when you understand this, and then you
study the data of the prophets across the Quran. You'll see this idea come to life
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So this is the theory. And the stories of the prophets and how they spoke is the case studies.
That's the proof of concept. What are the different situations? And how do you give more anglica
center? How do you do that? What will hikma How do you do deductibility here. So all of its captured
there. So these are the few ideas that I wanted to remind myself of, and all of you of me allows me
to make are that were acceptable in any way shape or form that we give it and may allows origin you
know, accept all the efforts the good work that is being done here. I'm sure you guys don't have any
questions at all, or I hope you guys don't have any questions at all. But in case you do in shallow
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regard, I'm here does not come along from Morocco, Morocco, Morocco,
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Morocco, masala, thank you very much to him, and he is very, you know, observing the time, it will
feel his promise not to be more than 30 minutes. So much. A very good reminder, you know, a nice
many of our, I believe, from from just one single verse from the Quran, which I think really fit the
theme tonight when we have representatives from many NGOs who are actively involved in doing Dawa.
Not just calling people to Islam, but I believe, you know, actively involved in many social economy
activities, taking care of the welfare of the people education, healthy, so many things. So
Mashallah we really benefit from your short term tonight. So, as promised,
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if we have any questions, I would like to invite
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the questioner to Firstly, to introduce yourself your name. And if you come from any institution,
maybe you want to let us know from from which organization you are from? Please the question, please
short, you know, shorten your question to not more than three minutes. So we have the microphone on
your left hand side. So I will have to invite if there's any question, please come and you may
address your question.
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I'm Ali Kumar, I'm obrigado.
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Just a simple question, or hope get long answer. I think the most important thing to do in our is if
lesson is the karma.
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And the more difficult to do is, is the former in his last
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classes on college, give a few tips. How to maintain this is a
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good answer.
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So, for those of you that are not familiar with the Arabic terms as Lawson is the farmer, what are
the great question is the hardest thing to do in double work is to remain sincere, to keep your
intentions pure. And also remain constant. Meaning you can you can be doing this work and eventually
you get tired is and I'll take a vacation. I don't want to do this anymore, right? So. So that can
happen. Both of those things can happen. And of course, eventually you can you can do it so much
that you start thinking that it's just become almost like a performance. It's not even, you know,
genuine anymore if you're not genuinely concerned about people anymore. There are a couple of things
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that I can say about that. You know, my favorite example of Islam actually is Musan Islam.
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Because musala Islam when he asked us when I told him to speak to Fidel and he asked for heroin,
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and when he asked for her own, he first of all acknowledged his own shortcomings, who are upset who
mainly listen. He's more eloquent a speaker than I am. It's amazing to me because Moosa
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is the most quoted in the Quran.
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And he says how one speaks better.
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And Harun spoke barely in the Quran.
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But Musashi says he's a better speaker. So the first thing is that you have to acknowledge your
weaknesses. And you have to be complete. You don't see yourself in competition with other days.
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People come to me all the time. You know, I like Buffy make more.
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And I say me too.
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Is there competition? No, no. There are people that are providing a remarkable service. They're
doing some amazing things. And they're doing things that I cannot do.
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And the other people are doing things. I'm doing things that somebody else cannot do. And that's
okay. We do whatever best we can. But we acknowledge our shortcomings and we're not ashamed.
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To acknowledge our shortcomings that's number one. Number two part of your classes giving other
people credit.
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A lot Musashi standing in front of a lot. And the first one, he says, Harun is a good idea. Makes a
recommendation for someone else. You know,
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instead of just telling them my Yala, you can give anything you want, you can turn a stick into a
snake. You can fix my tongue.
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Why don't you just fix my tongue? Then I don't have that problem. And I don't know how to. I'll be
the superhero myself. No, he says, Give me how to. So giving other people position giving other
people credit bringing them up, that's part of your floss.
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Then the most beautiful thing came to some hacker coffee when
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he says, Give him to me. So we can do this. We have you together?
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What is this? We have to do with our they're not going to stand in front of finances of Allah
Subhana Allah Subhana, Allah subhanaw taala? They're not going to do that. Why is he saying we will
declare a last perfection together. You know what that is? When you say that a lie is perfect, then
you are reminding yourself that you are
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not perfect.
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We will together remind each other that only a lie is perfect. When I make a mistake, he will
correct me and I'll be okay. Because I know that the only one perfect is Allah. And when he makes a
mistake, I will correct him. And that will be our test. The
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RSP is not just an ally is perfect, but we remind each other we are imperfect. What does that mean
for the day, when a die is corrected?
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When a die is criticized, and a die, he gets angry?
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You're gonna correct me I'm on YouTube.
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You know?
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No, because that means you don't understand just via the spirit means perfection is only for a
month. And he asked, give me someone who can correct me. And I can correct them, we can help each
other. And that's the attitude of a diet that keeps what the class. And by the way, that also keeps
the sicoma who should be angry, give him give me my brother, and He will give me backup, when I'm
getting tired, when I'm slowing down, he's going to push me. And when he's backing up, I'm going to
push him you cannot do this work alone. You need people that support you, that carry you. Because if
you try to do this alone, you will burn out, you will not run out of energy. And those are just a
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quick example of how both karma and Islam are beautifully captured in the story of Masada?
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Sure.
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My name is Adam. I'm from Alice law in association called Alice law. So I'm a teacher by day and a
father by night. So you say something about becoming a psychologist to understand people? Right?
Okay. In my school, there are a lot of students and you know, their behavior, you know, distinct
with each other is different behavior, you know, not the same behavior, you know, I mean, so can you
tell me, how do I, you know, how do I like a general rule in anything in understanding people? How
do I do that?
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Oh, man, thank you.
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general rule and understanding people, Oh, my God.
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Well, the easiest thing that I can tell you is,
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in order to really, especially young people, if you want to understand young people, then you have
to get them to open up to you. And they don't open up to you in a group, like individually, if you
befriend young kids, and, you know, teenagers, etc. And they get them to a point where they speak to
you. Well, you're not speaking to them. A lot of times, we're just giving the speech. We're doing
the talking. If you really want to understand people, you know, you. What I used to do, for example,
when I used to work with you, is I did not give them juice. I didn't, I took them to go get
doughnuts, I took them to the beach, played basketball with them this I did other things with them,
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until they saw me as a friend. And then they would call me in the middle of the night and say, Hey,
I have a problem. There's this girl or something. And then I will talk to them, then I'm now ready
to give them advice because I until then I have no idea what's going on in his head. I have no clue.
So even if I give them advice, maybe it has no benefit for them because they're in a different
different frequency. So breaking that ice means you have to interact with young people. And the more
you do, the more you'll develop an understanding of them. It's simple, isn't it, your close friends,
you understand them while you understand them because you spend a lot of time with them. You deal
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with them, you interact with them, you see how they behave. So as a daddy especially in the teacher
capacity, you are in a diary capacity. So Bill
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That relationship with your students is very important in trauma.
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Okay, we have one more question. May I just want to
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see a clip of hands if you intend to ask any more questions after this or
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so we have
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one more there. Okay, so, yes. So So after this brother, there'll be one last question. And then
inshallah we're gonna end the session. So please go ahead.
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Salaam Alaikum.
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My name is Dr. Amit Shah, I am an oncologist by profession. And I am from ipsi. Penang, which is a
de Waal society. Now, I just want to share with you two things that we do so that we can learn more
from you. The problem we have today is, as you know, everybody has easy access to the technology and
internet.
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And it's not easy for us to speak about scientific miracles of Quran to everyone to be tried to find
the right people to speak to. And the non Muslims in Penang, they succeed because of the way they
penetrate. One of the ways healthcare, so they provide health care, because they know sick people
are desperate. And therefore when they portray their religion, people tend to get more interested,
which we lack a little bit. However, one of the problems we face is the misconceptions and
perceptions about Islam. Before we can even show a good example, they would come back and tell us
Islam is about terrorism. Islam is about this and that you do all these backwards things because of
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the information they read. As you know, there might be 100 good websites for Islam, that what people
websites about anti Islam, so they're confused. So how do we penetrate to these people to look
beyond the misconceptions of Islam? How do we tell them look at the beauty of Quran? Don't look at
Muslims, if that's the right thing to say, Don't look at Muslims today. But look at Islam. How would
we tell them that? Thank you?
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It's a very important and a very painful question. The first thing I'd like to share with you is
yes, Internet has a lot of propaganda against this some but then a lot of teach us how to handle
this problem, I would argue Yes. And I go back to my default position. The story of Mossad is that
I'm Why do I go back there is because when this Tao of Musa started, officially started with the
Pharaoh, Pharaoh and had the entire media of Egypt. And he was using every angle possible to this to
show not only that Messiah is a liar. But yes, hubba Vitara kumal Musleh he will Moosa and Harun are
going to destroy your lifestyle, they are a threat. They are basically terrorists. This is the this
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is the messaging around across Egypt. So the idea that Islam is dangerous, Islam is a threat, as far
as violent, and therefore stay away from it. This kind of messaging that you're finding online today
is not only something that we experienced, now, this has been there. This is this is actually an old
tactic. We also have to acknowledge Secondly, the difficult reality. There are Muslims who have done
horrible things and continue to do horrible things in the name of Islam. And they even if they are a
very, very small minority, they are still Muslims. And they their actions are so loud. And the media
uses their actions and makes them so loud, that our voices are no longer heard. That is a very
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serious problem.
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To me, the solution to that problem is a few things. We have to first of all acknowledge that no
matter how much we say don't look at the Muslims. That's never going to work.
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That is a horrible argument.
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The prophets I said I'm gonna say look at Quran Don't look at me.
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Look at look at the book of Allah don't look at us Ahava.
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The we the reason people came to Islam is because of the character of the believers. A lot of the
people that came to Islam in this part of the world in Southeast Asia, because of the way Muslims
carried themselves in business,
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a huge portion of people, they didn't say, hold on, but let me keep you in business.
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You know, we cannot use that as an excuse. So then what do we do? Because I cannot change how other
Muslims are behaving. At the very, very least the organization that you're a part of, or the efforts
that you're a part of, they should actually doesn't matter what people say you should be the best.
You know, social services organizations of all.
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I can tell you most people are not attracted to religion because of arguments.
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I said, the last video on becoming hikma
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hikma is high level. Most people are not high level. It's well known a button hustler, good counsel
and good counsel touches. What did I say? It touches the heart, you touch the heart when you
actually serve people, when you when you're helping people, when you're engaged with people when
they see you. And when they see you, there'll be a contradiction. You people are really nice, but
Assad is really bad. You said, That's okay. We're still nice. And you don't argue you just keep
serving, eventually, they say something is wrong, one of this is not correct.
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One of this is not correct. So they're gonna have to decide whether they're going to believe the
media, or they're going to believe what they see with their eyes with you what they experience with
you, you're going to have to create that contradiction. That's, that's what our responsibility has
become now. And we may not be able to do it at an international scale, but we have to start doing it
at least at a very local scale. You know, at least my neighbor is confused me, Muslims are bad and
why are you so nice? At least I confuse my neighbor. That's,
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you know, that's what we have to now become. inshallah Tada.
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Salam Alaikum, my name is sliding from hidayah Center.
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Are you giving a
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very simple formula called the protocol of Dawa from this ayah you mentioned at the very beginning
of the speech, focusing more on how to do the hour to non Muslim
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I'm trying to bring the perspective
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towards the workers of Islam
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which is very prominent proclivity.
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Now, even Indonesia, where one group claiming that they're on the right path and others
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not with them is on the wrong path and then we wasting time
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eating each other writing on the internet, so on so forth.
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So what is the advice to this group, as well as we are set coming from different NGOs, as a
reminder, so that we focus on the on the on the dour, but
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not focusing on
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on hitting each other?
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Which which causing a lot of problem and bad image to even on almost all of them? It's a it's a
fantastic question. I'm really grateful that you asked that question.
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As a student of Quran, I can tell you that the case study for Muslims becoming divisive, and undoing
the Dharma is actually the the study of when we saw the Israelites and how they broke apart, and how
they use the knowledge of the religion.
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How they use the knowledge of the religion to
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undermine each other.
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A large soldier will describe one metaphorical element by the magic formula. They didn't fall into
division until after knowledge had come to them.
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In other words, knowledge was used as a means of fighting against each other.
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Because for them for bluesoleil II, what happened was one scholar, one island, people come and
listen to him. Then there's some other island people come and listen to him. And this island says,
Why are we listening to him, I lost half my customers.
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So he starts giving speeches against that guy, and how wrong he is and how they shouldn't be
misguided by him. It became like market competition.
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Islam became an industry to them. The religion became an industry where they're all competing with
each other. That's all it became. It wasn't about the truth anymore.
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The same thing applies within the oma not just with scholars, but also with organizations we have
with our organization. They have the organization, but why are they Why are there more people out
there the organization?
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Why did they their convention was more successful than our convention? You know what, we will have
our convention on the same exact day.
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That's what we're gonna do. Yeah.
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That's when we saw in behavior.
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That's what that is, you know? And so we have to first acknowledge that this work, if you you know,
there are going to be multiple efforts. It's okay to have 100 different organizations, it's
completely fine.
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And it's okay that they Some people say why can't we just
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Have one organization. No, it's never going to happen. Just like we can't have one family.
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Every family works differently. So it's okay. Every organization works differently. Sometimes you
come together and do something together. And most of the time you do your own thing. It's completely
fine.
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So for some efforts, everybody unites for some causes everybody unite for some project, everybody
unites, and then they go their own way. That's complete. And that's actually the recommended course
of action. As far as Muslims hating each other, and you know, bashing each other and kind of that
kind of thing I tell you, that is the worst thing we could have done to the oma. Because when
Muslims are fighting each other, you know who's hurting the most. First of all, non Muslims are no
longer interested in Islam, because these people even hate each other. But the more important, the
more dangerous conclusion of that is, we lose our next generation.
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The next generation of Muslim says these old people, all they do is fight each other. I'm not
interested in Islam. We're in the Latina ui funkita, mommy and daddy him Leticia cumin humare, those
who got the book after them, they are doubtful about it altogether. They don't they're not even
interested in the religion. We're destroying our next generation because of this kind of argument. I
would suggest to you if there's a debate like that happening, and people come to you, there are lots
of debates happening in Malaysia, by the way, and people ask me, so what is your opinion aside?
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So I can be on one side or the other side? I don't have an opinion.
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And actually, I have a lot of opinions, but I'll never tell you.
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You know.
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And that should be the policy you develop, some conversations are worth killing.
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They don't deserve to be kept going. They deserve to be buried. So when they are brought up at a
party, or at a mustard or at a gathering, you say not interested.
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Just not interesting. Somebody brought it up this morning,
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which is what do you think about the Shias in the 70s? I don't think about that.
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I'm thinking about lunch, though I'm hungry.
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Though you don't have to get involved in these debates. You know, it's because we keep bringing
bringing them back to life, that the problem continues. We don't have to bring them back to life, we
can bring better things back to life. There are other priorities of the oma that are not being
addressed, that we can make into our priorities. So that's, that's, you know, a small bit of you
know, what I think about this problem there are there's lots to say about this issue of how Muslims
have now become divisive. I would finally like to add this ayah is not just about that word to non
Muslims. I would argue this ayah is about that word itself, which means Muslims or non Muslims, it
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doesn't matter. Even within Muslims. There are some circles where you need hekla other circles where
you need more I'd like Hashanah, other circles where you need the ability here. It actually applies
universally barakallahu li walakum wa salaamu Alaikum wa rahmatullah.
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Wa barakato. Thank you very much to all those who came forward and ask the questions. And thank you
very much again, to allow the gentleman alekhine I believe it has been a very amazing night, all up
to all of us, having the given the chance and opportunity to listen to such a very wonderful test
you're on. So hopefully all of us have managed to get at least you know, realize or make, refresh
the series and and the knowledge of doing that work to so that hopefully the Muslims and Malaysia in
general will be a better place for all of us.
