Community Discussion: The Decay of the Muslim Mindset by Sh Navaid Aziz
Navaid Aziz – The Decay Of The Muslim Mindset
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The speakers emphasize the importance of women’s rights and boundaries in Islam, as it is a community discussion and a focus on empowering HIV women. They stress the need for guidance and privacy for all individuals and groups, particularly for a cultural and organizational level of acceptance. educating women on learning and finding a teacher to teach is crucial for all groups. They emphasize the need for acceptance and transparency in society, particularly for sexual orientation, and a cultural and organizational level of acceptance for all individuals and groups.
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Dr. Medina
wa shadow Mohammed Abu Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wa ala alihi wa sahbihi wa seldom at the Sleeman kathira
salaam aleikum wa rahmatullah wa barakato.
So I want to start off today's discussion just by giving a brief background, how it's going to function, I'm going to be speaking for about half an hour, 40 minutes max. And then the rest of the time, I want to have active discussion on your particular thoughts. Now, the way this topic came about, in the last couple of weeks, there's been a lot of big things that have happened online, that everyone and their uncle has been like talking about it. And the big one that everyone was talking about, was a Muslim sister being interviewed by * magazine. Like, in fact, if you look that up on Twitter, there's literally hundreds of 1000s of people that have commented on that issue. A
second thing that happened, but wasn't as popular as the issue is something which is probably even more alarming. But it didn't get too much attention just because this was picked up so much. And that was the issue of an MSA in the United States of America, that has 15 members that are a part of this like board of directors. And out of these 1514 of them were pushing to have a Muslim Career Day, meaning a Muslim homosexual day, the president of the MSA was against this and the other vote and the majority 114 against one, and the President of the MSA actually resigned. Now, for me, this was something very, very concerning. What makes it even more concerning is this step back even
further. I was in Medina a couple of weeks back, and I was meeting a friend of mine, Dr. Fahad white, or he's going to be a doctor soon. He's the only English speaking presenter in Michigan. And we're talking about, you know, where is the Muslim identity in America going? And he shared a very scary statistic with me, there is an organization that, you know, focuses on collecting data, they collect statistics, and they did a survey where they asked, you know, about 10,000 Muslims, do you believe that Christians and Jews are going to be going to paradise? Right, very simple question. And we should know, our faith stands on this 56% of the 20 10,000 people, that's 5600 people actually
said, yes, they believe that Christians and Jews were going to be going to paradise. So a couple of weeks back when we when I was thinking about the topics, I presented that I want to have community discussion, because I believe it's very important for this to be not a unilateral discussion, not just me speaking, and you guys listen. But I want to talk and I want you guys to critique what I have to say, as well as give your own feedback. Now, before we actually get into my case study of the whole sister interview with * magazine, I want to share one other thing with you. In May 2006, Google released statistics on which countries view the most amount of *. And I want
to share with you the top 10 countries.
Actually, here we go. So six of them were Muslim, Pakistan was on top and other Western countries were Egypt at number two, Iran at number four, Morocco at number five. And so the Libya at number seven, and Turkey at number eight, the non Muslim states were Vietnam at number three, India at number six, Philippines at number nine, and Poland at number 10. Now, they do even a more specific statistic on what were the words that these countries were searching? So the following words turned out to be number one in Pakistan. Pig *, donkey *, dog *, cat *, horse *, cow *, good *, animal *, Snake *, monkey *, before *, elephant * and Fox *. These are the number
one was related to sexuality that being searched on Google.
out of the top 10 countries in the world, six of them are Muslim.
This is in May 2006. So now when we talk about, you know, there'll be problems in the Muslim community. I definitely think we're not addressing those problems enough, are speaking to another individual this week. And we're talking about, you know, prison systems and people that get incarcerated. How many Muslims do you think are in the incarceration system? How many Muslims do you actually think get arrested? And we would think about that money, right? Muslims are good, law abiding citizens, but the reality is
The prison system and incarceration system is reflective of the population. So the more a population grows, the more reflective it becomes, right? If you take Toronto as a case study, this was something I was able to look up. In 1984. They said approximately 6% of incarcerated individuals in Canada's prison systems work. Muslim, that's 1984. Right? So you live for 20 some odd years, here we are in 2016. And that number has jumped up to 15%. That means more than one out of 10 in prison is actually Muslim. That's a scary reality, like something is definitely going wrong. And these aren't terrorism charges that we're talking about. But those can be trumped up. But we're talking about
actual theft, actual assaults, actual robbery, and a whole bunch of other crimes. There is a huge crisis in the Muslim community. And we're not discussing this enough. So what I'm hoping for is in the next couple of weeks with as I'm doing my hamacas. Each week, we'll want to choose a particular topic, and discuss that, and I'll present a case study, and then we can discuss it back and forth. So what I want to study for today was the issue of the sister interview with * magazine. And while I believe it was incorrect, why I believe it was incorrect. So the first point I want to start off by discussing is the issue of * magazine itself. * magazine went through a branding
restructuring a couple of years back, and a brand new restructuring consisted of that they were no going to no longer want to feature * in the magazine, they no longer have to feature * in the magazine. Now, why did they do this? That's the first question you want to ask. When you look at the viewing of *, statistics actually show that no one is actually actively buying * anymore, but rather people view it online for free. And therefore, it wasn't a conscious decision that they made that they no longer wanted to show full fledged *, but rather, it was a business decision. More and more people are buying lifestyle magazines, more and more people want to
know about fashion, more and more people want to know about trends that are happening. And that is the direction it's took. Now, the reason why I bring up this issue is because a lot of listeners will argue online, the table no longer features, *, so therefore it should be okay. But really, this is very naive. Because poda is not just a magazine, but in reality, it is a whole franchise that consists of multiple departments, they actually have an online channel, and they have a TV viewing channel, which is still full fledged *. So it's actual industry is based upon the exploitation of women. And this is something that as a Muslim, you can never stand for. And that's
why I found this argument that was made to be very, very naive. Number two, when we talk about this issue of even though took away the *, does this actually change anything in the greater scheme of things? Right? And even if it did, is it justified for Muslims to actually be a part of it? I want you to think of a more clear example. If I told you Hey, brothers Tonight, we're going to get together and we're going to go and give Dawa at a strip club, right? We're going for the sake of our would we accept that? No, we wouldn't. Because we understand the basics of a righteous intention is not enough to rectify a bad action of itself. So now we're an individual that claims all that we're
giving Dawa through a program magazine we're representing and empowering Muslim sisters through this article. that argument makes no sense whatsoever, because we have a simple principle in and near the Sanya leftist, manifested that a righteous intention will never rectify a bad action. So that is the first criticism that are the first defense rather that I am responding to. Number two, it is argued that this is empowering for HIV women. And in fact, when you look at the article itself, this is to speaks about her being wearing Hijab and her having ambitions to become a media representative and a spokesperson and a news anchor. And you know that she is one of the first women that was her job
that is going to be able to do this
we're going to discuss on this point is what is our understanding of hijab? And what do we need to have an honest discussion on? One of the things that kept being brought up again on social media is no man has a right to tell a woman how to dress. This statement looks like a pretty positive statement that as men, we should not be dictating what our sisters what what our female counterparts in the community where that's not a man's responsibility to do that. But is that the actual focus of this statement? Is that what they're actually trying to achieve? No, it's not only not only should be
not decide what women gets to wear, there is also that you have the right to wear whatever you want whenever you want islamically there's a problematic statement. Because when it comes to the way we dress, part of our part of our code of law, part of our ethics is that Allah subhanaw taala tells us what is our what are the parts that needs to be covered. Now one of the mistakes that we've made in this day and age is that the job has become a piece of cloth. If someone if a sister was something that covers her head, automatically, she is wearing hijab. And in fact, this is not the case. This is go back to the Quran. When I was speaks about women's clothing, I was fine with Allah uses two
terms, he use the term schema and use the term j dub. When I was using the term hedgehog, he actually uses it in terms of when you speak to the wives of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam speak to them while they're behind the hedgehog, meaning behind the barrier. So the term hedgehog does not come in the context of clothing, but rather it comes in the context of barrier. So now when you move forward, the concept of hijab as it developed, it encompasses not only the way sister dresses, but encompasses a lifestyle that both men and women are meant to have. And that is a lifestyle of modesty, that anything that is considered obscene, anything that is considered rude,
anything that will be disobedient to Allah subhanaw taala, or Muslim should not be a part of that. And that is what hijab consists of. Now, what really bothered me is that the individuals that defended this issue, they have no problem with the way they made the sister pose, they have no problem the way they made the sister pose. If you read like analysis of the magazine of this article, they actually show how the sisters went to pose. And it's a very provocative pose. He is not with me, she's just standing around her job, we actually measured polls in a very provocative way, which I found very, very empathetic. And the reason why I say that is because, again, tied back
to the history and culture of * magazine in exploiting women, there is a huge industry of fetish out there were people actually attracted to these sort of things. And the fact that one of our sisters pulled into this propaganda is not befitting at all. So when we say that this is empowering of hijab, what understand what we're talking about this obedience to Allah subhanaw taala and minimizing adjust to a cloth on the head is not when you're defending a Muslim to say, like hijab is a lifestyle. It's not just a cloth. And it is a lifestyle that both Muslims and women, both men and women have to abide by. Right women have the physical component of it, but we both have the
spiritual component of it. We're both men and women are commanded that when you speak to the opposite gender lower your gaze, right, when you are commanded that don't make your voices provocative, when you speak to the opposite gender, all those guidelines are given. So you have to keep in mind that when we talk about hijab, it's not just a cloth on your head. It is a religious identity symbol that people use to identify as Muslims to be more openly subservient, not to the creation to Allah subhanho wa Taala to Allah subhanho wa Taala. Number three, the issue of women's rights.
Now, this is always a sensitive topic. And I want to explain why I want to be one of the first people to confess and to talk about that a Muslim sisters are treated is very, very problematic. You go to the average must've. And those massages, sisters areas of them, at least are dungeons. They're not properly like they have no access to the email. The spaces are very small. They're given like a small corner, and there's no engagement with the sisters. You want to make things even worse. If a sister wants to get divorced from her husband due to valid reasons. She actually has very little discord or requests statute we do that the finding the man that were granted divorce is next to
impossible, right? Even when I look at our situation in Calgary is deplorable. Like, I don't understand why it's like that. That is a difficult situation she needs out of a marriage. Why is it that we as a community we crunch? granted that tour, when you want to look at access to education? How many halaqaat are there exclusively for Sr. Right? This will fuse halaqaat that are exclusively for sisters. You know, we tried something during the summer months this year at the ISC we had a holiday exclusively for sisters to see how the sisters will respond. like sisters always say that, hey, if you provide opportunities will come and learn. And teaching that halaqa I found that it was
an amazing experience that in fact, when we look at female students versus male students, female students are 1000 times better than male students, and actually makes me want to teach more females as males because you actually pay more attention. You take better notes, the more engaged they are more positive there is discussion, right? But the reality is, again, we haven't provided those resources and this is just you know, this
The service of the discussion. So as a community we are lacking in providing resources and catering to the needs and catering to the wants and providing facilities to them. While this shortcoming is there, what is the appropriate response? the appropriate response should not be that we start talking about how men and women are equal. That is not the appropriate response, that we now start wanting women to do the role of men, and we want men to do the role of women. No matter how hard a man tries, you will never be able to give birth to a baby. No matter how hard a man tries, he will never be as good of a caretaker as a woman, no matter how hard a man tries, in the realm of
teaching, there will never be as many good men teachers, as there are female teachers.
And students are the women, a natural compassion, a natural mercy and natural ability to teach, that we didn't install inside men. And this is one of the problems in our DNA is that we become so busy competing with one another, that we forget women to compliment one another.
did not create many women to do the same things. Man, what Allah created men to do the things that women can't, and created women to do things that men can't do. And that is how we're meant to live together. But social agendas have come, economic agendas have come and it created that divide that we want to make everyone equal.
tells us clearly in the Quran, when he says
that man is not like women that distinguish the distribution factor has to be there. This leads us into discussion of Islamic feminism, can that actually happen? Can they coexist? Now, when we talk about Islam, this is a defined term. This is submission to Allah subhanho wa Taala. By fulfilling the five pillars, that is the definition of Islam. But when we talk about feminism, this is something that is undefined. In fact, when we look throughout the ages, it actually becomes more, I guess, aggressive, as they goes on, to say becomes to a state where they literally become hateful of
feminist circles. So when we talk about our slamming feminism compatible, the discussion we want to have is what do we mean by feminism over here, certain elements of feminism will be compatible, great fighting for the rights of allies, given them, yes, we should fight for the rights that Allah has given them, and make sure that they have fair treatment, that they have good treatment. But once we go beyond those boundaries, that feminism actually becomes a form of oppression, right? There's a nice quote.
He says, Don't get so addicted to your freedom, that you become a slave of it. Right, don't vote for so much freedom, that you become a slave to freedom. And I believe that's what's happened in the feminist world right now, is that they're fighting so often for the rights, that we've forgotten what the ultimate goal is. Having ultimate liberation. And freedom is not a good thing. You leave mankind's devices, they destroy civilization, even with rules and regulations. Now, we found a way to destroy ourselves. Imagine if the rules and that is why as a Muslim, one of the things you should proud yourself in is that Allah subhanho wa Taala has given you a code of conduct. This is how you
live your life. This is your code of ethics. These are the boundaries that Ally's set, these are the parameters you have to stay within. And rather than feeling sad and apologetic and bad about these things, you should feel happy that your Creator has told you what to do. You don't have to figure it out for yourself.
devices to yourself, we will destroy mankind, which is what we actually seek. So now when we talk about how this woman was he started with a with this article is a step forward for women's rights. In fact, I believe it is a step backwards. Because again, we fold with the agenda of female exploitation through sexuality. And this goes back not only to choosing a specific Muslim sister, and making a pose a certain way, but in fact, using that avenue in the magazine, right? There's multiple online sources that can be used, where we can talk about a woman's rights and furthering the agenda of protecting women from harm. We didn't have to use this avenue so it was more of a step
backwards than a step forward.
The next point that was raised was that in 1968, the 1960s both Malcolm X and Mohammed Ali interviewed with * magazine. Why is it that we're not condemning them as equally? Well, the first thing we need to realize is that this magazine is an exploitation of women and an exploitation of men. Number two, is that hijab is a religious symbol, and therefore the person that wears this hijab becomes identifiable as Muslim right away. When Muhammad Ali and Malcolm X did the article in * magazine. They
We're still both a part of the Nation of Islam and not accepted Islam at that time. Number three, is I actually believe this is a moot point a point that has no value whatsoever, because our religion is not based upon the actions of Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali, but rather, it is based upon what Allah subhanaw taala and His Messenger sallallahu alayhi wa sallam said, right?
You believe
the Messenger of Allah and there is an authority amongst you. If you either differ in any matter, who should return it back to should return it back to Muhammad Ali, she will turn it back to Malcolm X clinic back to Allah subhanho wa Taala and His Messenger sallallahu alayhi wa sallam. So when you justify this action by saying previous predecessors have done this, and therefore it is okay. And you have to equally condemned and equally condemned with Sister, I believe that's not a valid point at all. Because while they are they died upon Islam, they are not, you know, at the level of Allah subhanho wa Taala and his messengers and the human at the end of the day, right? That's what my
crypto is about today. Every human being will make mistakes on every profit is identified by a mistake that I've made. Adam eating from the tree was unintentionally killing someone, Ibrahim deceived to the degree that he could have been like Uncle Sam abandoning his community. All of these things were there to show that human beings even at the level of profit, hoard, make mistakes. So therefore going back to those that are not even profits and using them as a proof is not sensical.
Now, the concluding remarks that I want to share with you,
number one, is on an individual level, how do we protect our own guidance? Right? It's very easy to say that the world is becoming misguided, the various our proactive approach to making sure that we ourselves remain guided, right, how do we do that? Number one, is that is focused on the verse in Surah Fatiha
there are no guides to the straight path. Allah subhanaw taala tells us this verse for multiple reasons. Number one, to show us the importance of asking guidance, even at the level of prophethood. Even at the level of Sahabi, they were asked to do this constantly asked for guidance. And that is why 17 times a day, you will be asking for guidance in your prayer, because it is the most valuable and sociable thing that you have part of making blog for guidance, or other blogs that the Prophet sallallahu Sallam meet from the most important of them, or to Yama,
gala, denecke, that terminal of the arts, turn my heart towards religion and keep it firm upon your religion. And the second of them is
a llama, I
was looking at the
bathroom, I was looking at the data that all are shown in the truth for what it is, and allow me to follow it and show me for sure for what it is and allow me to abstain from it. So asking for guidance consistently and making sure that you do this on a regular basis. Number two, understanding the circle of guidance. What do I mean by circle of guidance? Allah subhanho wa Taala he tells us in the Quran, that those that are guided, those that have Eman will increase them in guidance. What does this mean exactly? Each and every single day, Allah subhanho wa Taala gives us opportunities to increase our guidance. Waking up for failure is an opportunity for guidance. When you accept that
responsibility, and you wake up for fudger, you increase your guidance and open up the doors for guidance. When you wake up, and you hear the alarm go off. And you're like you know what, I'll pray later and you turn it off, you've closed the doors for guidance and guidance actually gets snatched away from you. And you need to give guidance almost as a pyramid almost as a building block. That the real opportunities that are presented to you to take guidance and you accept them, the more your guidance will increase. But the more opportunities that are given to him he calls them then snatches away that right that guidance cannot then run the mechanics upon but rather it is the darkness of
their hearts that is encompassed their hearts due to the deeds that they used to commit. And that is the ultimate reality. So when Allah gives you those opportunities of guidance, you have to accept them. Number three, understanding what your role as a Muslim is, in terms of discussing ethics and morality. As a Muslim, like I keep telling you, we can't keep going on to our own understanding of morality. Our understanding of morality and ethics is not something that evolves. It's something that is set in stone, right? The way we implement that morality is a different thing. But in terms of what is halal and what
Hassan, I know tell me that courage was when the final verse of the Quran, right? Well, it will not change after that. So therefore when we talk about these issues, it's always important that we understand our own reference points, we always understand what Allah subhanaw taala is messenger sallallahu Sallam want us to understand. And that will only be done by all of us seeking knowledge together. So just make your way today, make sure you constantly attend regular halaqaat It doesn't have to be at this machine. No one's telling you to do that. But even if it's online, even if said, other massages, when the books and you know, things being taught, after we pursue them, because it's
the second you disconnect from sources of Revelation, that is when this guidance begins. Ultimate guidance is the Quran and the Sunnah. That's what the positioning tells us that as long as you hold on to the Quran, and that which is similar to it, you will remain guided. So always keep going back to the Quran and Sunnah and keep learning. And those are three things I wanted to emphasize. Now in terms of where we headed,
in terms of the Muslim community, things that were dismal. And that's the the the honest reality of it
tells us that towards the end of time, the only thing that people remember about Islam is that when they hear that
they say this is something our forefathers used to say. And now when you look at what's happening on the ground, this is really where we're heading. So each individual has the opportunity, or rather, the obligation to protect themselves. And this obligation needs to be taken very, very seriously. Now we have a responsibility as a community, that when we become parents, will still Islamic values into our children. Right? That even if they end up going to public school, it's very important to discuss with them what are the boundaries of Islam? What are the things that Allah subhanaw taala has taught us to be halal, and Haram. And we can't shy away from that discussion, that we've seen
the effects of shying away from discussions with Muslims now believe that, you know, regardless of your faith, you're going to be entering into paradise. Every person has this mindset by the act of they want to pursue Islam, because they already believe that they're going to paradise. So Islamic values in Islamic laws, they need to be presented in its truest form, but with the utmost amount of wisdom, right, just because we believe in religious exclusivity in terms of salvation, it doesn't mean that we're condescending towards other individuals. Which leads me to my last point, please notice that throughout this whole time, I didn't mention the sister's name. And I did that
intentionally. Because I don't want this discussion to be about an individual from our community, from a sister, that is my sister in Islam, that I still love and respect for the sake of Allah subhanho wa Taala. I disagree with her. I don't like what she did. And I don't agree with her. But at the end of the day, she's still my sister in Islam, and I will die defending her if I have to. So this discussion is not about a sister, it is about the actual topic itself. And that is something that is so important to remember that in your journey of progression and of Islam, you will do things that people don't agree with. And you'll see people do things that you don't agree with
chicon wants to come and split the community by us attacking one another. The way a community grows, is that we understand and realize that we can still differ in our perspective, but will still love and respect one another. And that's what needs to be revived. Swami surrender of the system will not be tolerated and the main point of this system will not be tolerated. Right. So we have to understand those boundaries that we do not conquer one harm with another harm. In fact, the mistake of slang, jingle and backbiting is much, much worse than the mistake that I believe that she made me to understand that that biting in Islam is a major sin slander is much much worse. So shaming people
publicly online is not acceptable. It is absolutely not acceptable. And our discussion should always be about points and not about individuals. And at the end of the day, our love for the sake of Allah subhanho wa Taala is what should take precedence, right? Just because we disagree, it doesn't mean you have to hate each other and destroy the community. So those are just some of the points I wanted to share with you. And I want to hear what you guys have to say about this topic. Is there something that I left out that needs to be addressed? Or do you have a different point of view in fact I welcome are different points of view that everyone can learn and grow in this in Sharla. So we have
a portable mic over here, and particularly from the sisters, if there's anyone that wants to share, please, by all means do inshallah.
And it's always difficult to raise your hand for the first time. So someone bite the bullet and start sneaking in Sharla Here we go.
Let's pass the mic around. Sharma
so my question was not in concerns to the girl but just because you mentioned
That this Mom, you kind of have to have this barrier. That's what the job represents. So, now I've seen the visual who goes to school and I can't, you know, come across this every day. So even today, especially with the Muslim sister, because we have to work on projects and whatnot. Right, so what approach should I take when I discussed? Because you know, if you're a business student, it says, make eye contact when you talk, these are all
right, what approach should I take when I'm speaking to female or just Muslim sister in specific accent? Should I do that case? Excellent, good question. So now the topic of gender relations.
One of the goals is inshallah we want to present it to come and actually give our workshop on this topic, I have someone in mind for that already. So rather a detailed discussion on that much later on. But in terms of summary, that's understand the reality of where we live, we live in a in a non Muslim band, where they have a different lifestyle, as opposed to the Muslim lifestyle. So in an ideal world, even statistics show that men learn better in a male setting, and females learn better in a female setting. But now that both men and women are working together, this is the reality that we're forced to deal with, how do we work with that reality within Islamic framework in mind, so we
need to understand what the parameters are. Number one, in terms of speaking with the opposite gender, you should never be alone. So if you're alone in the library, that shouldn't be happening for a long costume, it shouldn't be happening, you should always be a third party, there is a third party, if you don't include someone physical, it's going to be shaped one. Number two is in terms of the way that we speak to each other, unless
he commands both men and women to know their gaze towards each other right to know, your gaze towards the opposite gender. So as a practicing Muslim, both men and women should respect that. So if a man knows his gaze towards a woman, a woman shouldn't be offended by that. And for one that goes against towards a man, the British shouldn't be offended by that. But in terms of dealing with a non Muslim world, they will be offended by it. So the way that we will treat a Muslim sister may have to be different. And that is understandable. Right? Number three, in terms of physical contact, I'll share a funny story with you.
So my friend Bonnie, he lives in California, and he was invited Western MSA in California, when he walks into the room, and there's a sister sitting on the lap of a brother. So he goes
to perform tonight, you know, can you tell me who the President of the MSA is, and the brother has a sister sitting down and you're like, I'm the president, always a marshal, it's really nice to meet you. And I'm like, he's like, is this your life? And he's like, no, this isn't my wife. And that's when things started getting awkward. Okay, this isn't your wife, who is this? Or she's the Vice President of MSA.
Right. This is the vice president of the NSA. So when we look at realities like that, again, this topic of gender interactions, like people have completely lost, you know, their their sense of grounding subpanel up. So physical contact is a definite No, no. Unless there's like an absolute need for it. Someone's dying. Yes, by all means, go and save, someone's gonna go and save them. But in terms of, if there's no need for that shouldn't be happening. And then number four, is just the concept of taqwa. Always remember that? Hey, how do you think your parents would react to this? And if you really want to paint see this, the more than that we
are seeing this right? So don't do something that you don't want to miss.
So always keep that together, which means no flooding. It means, you know, no constant text messaging, no WhatsApp in no Skyping. No, Snapchatting No, just because it deletes it doesn't mean that you're allowed to do it. Right? All those things should not be done. So these are just some of the parameters and boundaries that you know, Muslims in schools particularly needs to keep in mind, or multilotto. Good question.
Any comments questions?
From you can
even speak louder?
Yes, Muslim Student Association.
You're proving how old you are right now Mashallah.
elections, elections by Muslims, they are elected by Muslims.
Right.
But this is what I was trying to tell you that we had an MSA, we're 14 out of the 15 people, they said we should have a Muslim.
Right? These are elected members of an MSA. So over here the problem even if we get this individual replaced, and others one's going to come in and say the exact same thing or something similar. So what needs to decrease the whole process of therapy or needs to be changed? And that's what I'm trying to address is that we need to take this topic very, very seriously. Like, we don't want to live
Besides the video judgment today, we don't want to take pride in that. So that was the part of everything I was trying to get across. But yeah, the MSE, you know, it's supposed to be called Muslim Student Association. But it has like a whole other bunch of acronyms, like matrimonial service Association and all sorts of different things along Stan.
Comments, sisters, can we get the mic to our sister in the back, I'll come back to you in Sharla. Just pass it all the way back, you can just press it all the way back.
Pass it all the way back.
And an AMA if you can just get your center?
Just raise your hand. So you can see Thank you
find that. And maybe you can comment, of course.
So what I see a lot is each of your brothers or sisters.
But then after an MSA, you deal with a lot of students who perhaps don't come from a bad background, right, where they understand the advocate, or they know how to deal with the opposite gender and all that. So what that causes is that compassion is not there and how to treat others, right, just like you're talking about, we shouldn't be shaming the sister when she decided to go in the magazine. Right, of course. So the same also happens among I mean, I was a student once and I experienced that myself. Right. So I think that's perhaps a bigger problem, in my opinion, where you don't have a space where people can come and understand what they've learned may not be correcting and how to
kind of take them on a learning path. Of course, if he could help us
on that. So one of the points I was talking about in terms of seeing ourselves in guidance, is that you have to actually be pursuing knowledge so that when people pursue that knowledge, they avenues where it needs to be disseminated and shared with others. But it also needs to be kept in mind that one day, you're also ignorant and then Allah subhanaw taala guided you right? So there are other people in that situation as well that perhaps they don't know this matter. My responsibility is not towards judging people. We can't tell people are going to the Hellfire, or you're going to agenda has not given us that building. nor are we allowed to do that religiously. And what that means is
when it comes to people's paths to Allah subhanaw taala. Those of us who know Allah Spano, tala has given us knowledge to, we're meant to take people by the hand and make it
easy. And I'll make the final data difficult. Right? I'll give you a beautiful example of this tough luck, I thank you so much, is that
he had two scenarios, both were exactly the same. One man, he said, I'm going to go and care another individual and also one man came and said, What is the role of marketing of an individual? And another man came and said, What is the role of one communion individual? As for the first man?
He tells them, that the one who kills another individual when he has the curse of a love young governess, and with Allah, a prolonged period in the Hellfire and multiple other punishments, as for the second individual,
he tells them, that if this person were pench, to Allah subhanaw taala, Allah subhanaw taala will forgive him. His students were very perplexed to individuals asking the same question, Why two different responses. He says, As for the first night, I saw on his eyes that he is on a path of revenge, and he's on his way to killing someone. And they want you to detain him as a second individual, so in his eyes, remorse and regret, that we have made this mistake, and I wanted to make Toba easy for him. And this is what we need to understand that when dealing with individuals, you can shame them and humiliate them and speak to them in a condescending manner. It has to be very
loving, very merciful, very caring, like treat people the way you want to be treated, particularly in the journey to Allah subhanho wa Taala. So this is what is very, very valid, that a lot of the times non practicing people become deterred from interacting with practicing people, just because of the way that makes you feel. As if you know the comments aren't valid, or they're not welcome to the community, or they're not good enough to be a part of the MSA or the masjid. Islam is the deen of Allah subhanaw taala and of no man or woman, you come to Islam as you all with the intention of learning with the intention of progressing, and as long as you're willing to do that progress at
your own pace, but with the intention of continuing to progress, right, never key give up the key instinct of learning. You have to keep doing that, just like
any other comments.
Next, I'm so sorry.
Question about the job. So my accounting teacher, she's a female. So I have to like,
okay, but she's teaching. So I was wondering like, what were you?
Okay, so when you're saying that you have to stare at her when she's teaching, like she's,
like she's told you make eye contact with me, or it's just really weird if you don't like to learn to learn, so why can't you just look at the blackboard instead of looking at her? I think there's like, No, I'm being honest, I'm being honest. Like, I think when we want to find a window, there always is a way out. So when you're looking at the opposite gender, it has to be understand, understood properly. What else I know Tyler has completely made his living at the opposite gender with desire, as soon as you look at the opposite gender with desire is unrestrictedly. But if there's no element of desire that is involved, then over there, we'll take different rulings, right?
So in this situation, when you're in an atmosphere of learning, the better advocate is sticking
out or not, right. But in those situations where you don't have to live it out, you can just look at the Blackboard. I don't see any harm in that.
Shall
I have a question that, as we know that, in our community, females are the most important part of our family? Because as I said, that give me a good mother, I will give you a good nation, right? The same way. So do we have any plans or anything to tell? guidance for the sister, and especially sister as well as males, that how to dress up in New Generation, because very rarely, the job is not selling Islam?
They're wearing ties and skin, tight clothing and everything. And even some of them assumes
I seem that they are dressed like the whole European on wearing
hijab. So is there any special helicopter anything you guys having a plan in place or anything that we can tell them briefly in a guided way? Of course, we can.
All the new donation the same as we say that Muslims Association, right, why they're on that set, because they not been properly guide from their mothers, grandfathers, if parents played their best role might be they're not gonna be thinking like that, of course. So the basic things comes from the home. And for that reason, I request you that can we have a some special halaqa regarding this, so let me address this topic. Number one, in terms of guidance for the for the sisters, this is an avenue we're actively pursuing. At the ISC. Like I said, we did a trial phase in the summer, where we had a series of six humbuckers exclusively for sisters, men were not allowed at that halaqa. And
we spoke about issues that were pertaining to women, we want to see how it went with response was responsible and overwhelmingly well. And it's just about facilitating that now as well, finding people to teach and finding an avenue where sisters feel comfortable to come and learn. So that's something that is being looked into number two, in terms of Caracas, Caracas for the sisters over here, she caught him, I think twice a week at this location he has taught us for four sisters. And that's something they can come and learn. Now, the reason why I mentioned that it has nothing to do with the topic of hijab, but when you bring your daughters to an atmosphere of learning, they get to
interact with other sisters that are learning. So they will get to learn from the teacher as well as from other sisters as well. So you may not be directly with it. I think that is something that's very important. Number three, I know that shift was his wife.
She teaches seminars from time to time, I've never attended more than one has attended. But I know that she is trying actively to educate the sisters. So that is something that they can attend as well. But the most important thing, I think you hit the nail on the head, that As parents, we always want to outsource education. Right? I'll tell you a story. There's an uncle that came to my office. And he's like, you know, My son is really hitting puberty. Can you have the talk with him? And I didn't tell him that I spent two summers and then it was about Can I make better? This is a conversation you need to have as a dad, not me as the Imam. Right. This is a bonding opportunity for
father and son. So I think parents need to stop shying away from the problems that are out there. The more you run away from them, the worse the problems I want to get. Now in terms of the issue of hijab
away our sister dresses underneath her hijab and underneath her job is her priority and hope relative as long as she fulfills the requirements of Islam. She's free to dress any way that she wants. Right while she's living. Her parents are persecuted
Advice by her, she's married, her husband can give her advice. But at the end of the day, we want to know from inside that I want to do what is most pleasing to Allah subhanho wa Taala. So I think the more we focus on increasing Eman and increasing taqwa. And the more we present positive role models for our sisters, the more they want to do like them. But when you don't have positive role models, and you have this empty vacuum of when we learn fashion from a magazine, or from pop culture from media, then you're going to try to combine, hey, my parents first with a job, let me try to combine a job with this other lifestyle. And the two obviously aren't going to go hand in hand.
Any questions or comments from the sisters? I want someone to disagree with me, I must have said something that you did not agree with. On Can Can I get you the
brother sitting in the chair?
Thank you so much.
Just
telling the the current situation of flooding the new retreat and all that, in this year, I've seen that whenever I open Internet, adjust, I am searching a topic. So many new sites, they pop up.
And then you know, sometimes I'm so scared that this these are uninvited since I close by internet site. Right? And then you know, I think that I have those at my home and they can take care of themselves. Right? There are not adults, their kids or teens. That must be affecting their minds, of course without a shadow of a doubt. Yeah. So
I think if we are talking about the sisters and the brothers, and I must say as well, we should also take care of these teams has been they've been disclosed of somewhere we should have some links, of course. Yeah. So because we should start educating them from from that is right up to the level that they should know that this has to be watched. And this has not evolved. Right, excellent. So again, getting back to this issue, from the ictr mentoring group from 12 to 17, that my wife runs. And then we have another sister that runs from 17 and older. So that facility is there, it's just about bringing your kids to those events. So for the girls mentoring group, it's every second Sunday. So
every second Sunday, we have an education component. And then next Sunday after that is like a social component, where they'll go for like archery or for swimming or something like that, within, you know, Islamic boundaries. Now, in terms of the issue over here of what we view online, I think it's almost imperative in this day and age that we install something called a net nanny. And what a net nanny does, is that you get to choose a sensitivity rating. And if you put like pG 13, then anything that is provocative at all, whether violence related or or sexually related or anything else, it gets blocked off automatically, and your children will not have access to that. And I think
it's something very important that as parents that allow the children to use the internet. Number one, you should be supervising what your child is watching. And if you're not going to be supervising, then at the very least make sure you have this next. That's a very good point. I want to address a question that we received over here. It's a question from a sister. And she's asking why did we open up the barrier between the men and the women, particularly considering that when the mustard and the house of Allah subhana wa Tada. So for multiple reasons, number one is that we advertise this as a community discussion. And in a community discussion, both men and women need to
be able to partake. So when we have a barrier that is only one sided, and only the women can see the men, it creates a separation, that Islam is not required. It's good to have a barrier, please don't get me wrong, it's good to have a barrier. But in times of need, you also have to take at the time because I used to pray, they will physically separate the men and the woman, but the woman behind the men, and this was in the power of the former Secretary and the left earlier, the men back later. And this is how it functioned. so in this situation, we were having a committee discussion, in order to engage the sisters, I didn't see anything wrong with this. And it was not a committee discussion,
I believe we would have left the barrier closed as it was before. But without any being said we accommodate it to both sisters, the sisters that want to sit behind the barrier. We've got space that they can sit behind the barrier. And their sisters that want to be actively a part of this discussion are more than allowed to do that and we pass the mic back and forth, trying to show that as Muslims there is a way to function living with one another within the parameters of Islam without having to go to a physical separation. Physical separations are good when people already have the idea of
genotyping
via the physical barrier doesn't do much good. So that was sort of my thinking behind this. But I thank the sister for a comment and asking that question. Number two, we got a question. How do we explain this issue to high school students, or teenagers, about buying such magazines, when especially the majority of the people here are teenagers? First of all, I like to say, thank you so much for considering the teenager, and majority of the people who I'm sure we're all flattered that you think we're teenagers. But I don't think that is the case, we do have a lot of young people. And that's why I try to keep it as sensitive as possible. But what I've learned in my limited
experience, and please correct me if you if you disagree, we can't shy away from topics and discussions, right?
Whether you like it or not, your children are going to be getting this education one way or another. Either you can control the discussion and be the first one from somewhere else, that they thought things that you disagree with and that islamically aren't valid. So that's what I was hoping for in this discussion. And I'm hoping that over the next couple of weeks, we continue to have these fruitful discussions. And again, we can't shy away from puppies. This is the reality that we're living in. And I'm hoping that we'll continue to have honest and open discussion, and you shall no one gets offended. And like I said, I'm always open to a critique and to feedback. At the end of the
day. It is not me against you. Are you against me? It is all of us together in one community. And we're all working together. inshallah.
Can we get you the mic? Where's the mic? Wait, no.
Oh, you want to go first? And then I'll pass it to you. So I have a question regarding your point like, amen.
Correct. So now I'm working in a company data company. And sometimes I have to stop streamers.
And the customers can make out something there's one to one meeting. Yes. And the rule is
to make eye contact, and does the business rule up as somebody who's difficult to engage? Alright. So in this case, actually, so I answered that question over here. I said, when there's definite desire, then you're definitely not allowed to look at the opposite gender. But as long as no desire, you're allowed to engage for the sake of work purposes or for other purposes. So there's a more important thing going on, you're allowed to converse and talk to them. But the key thing is that there shouldn't be any desire towards the opposite gender at a given time, in terms of being alone with them, then this is something that you should try to avoid. Now I understand. They may not
understand where you're coming from. But this is something that you should try to avoid if you're able to, if you're not able to avoid it, then in small incision cases, unless panatela is willing to forgive that, as long as you have the top layer inside that you will understand that this is something that is not correct, right. So if your work is being alone with women, then I would say you need to change jobs. But it is only in one off cases, once every couple of weeks, your job is to highlight another problem. Keep the top line side, when you're able to bring someone else with you to your job, that's fine if you're not able to allow sparkling unforgiving Sharla. So
the question here, I
can move on to on here, because in terms of like,
normal people working in this environment, right? Most of the
classroom so people can see. Right? So does it help? Goswell helps clean the door open help? Sorry, public access all helps. We're sure. It all makes a difference. Can you pass the mic to me? And then we'll pass it to Sharon Sharma.
Microsoft, Microsoft Allah
for the sake of just for the sake of disagree.
Yes. So you mentioned that
the NSA was having a query. So that's actually a separate topic by itself one day, but please ask your question. In our summarize, the question I have is that we know the answer, but we know that you know, it is. But the one thing that popped in my head when you had said that is that the incident Orlando in Orlando. And so, as parents, I'm going to be looking at my children growing up here, and the LGBT thing is gonna become mainstream. And it's gonna be a very hard discussion, to say, Okay, well, this is what's considered normal. And I've grown up with this being normal, right? In the definition of current society, right. I mean, of course, that's a shifting norm. But as we go
to address this, as a parent, I don't have the tools and nor does my wife have the tools because we bring our generational and I was born here, so
Buying buying in general, General generation biases, right to my children's viewpoint. So my question is the answer that we gave that say, okay, not the queer day hot, right, these sort of things engaging
these questionable sort of, you know, publications and those sorts of things is a problem. But how do we sort of bring a closer is quick query? Is that the wrong answer? It was quite a, the, the ability to open up that discussion, right, as a source of counseling? Of course, that's kind of my question. It's not to say, my viewpoint. No, no, that's fine. That's perfectly fine. So by the way, that wasn't a disagreement. That was a question.
So in this discussion on a separate date, but what is the Muslim community's response towards dealing with homosexuality, as well as homosexual members of the Muslim community? That is a whole other discussion that we're going to be having at a later date. inshallah? To summarize my discussion? Number one, we need to be very clear as to what is actually made haraam? Did Allah subhanaw taala make homosexuality or on winning of itself. And I believe this is a question that needs to be understood, first and foremost. So if we're talking about the feelings that a person has, towards the same gender, then this is something that I believe a person has these feelings,
this is beyond your control, they do not have the ability to decide who they feel attraction to him who don't feel attraction to, just like a man cannot control his attraction towards a woman, he cannot control the attraction towards a man if it happens to be the case. So let's why not Allah is not made attraction Hold on, because that is beyond your control. What else
is acting upon that attraction, just like outside the scope of marriage, if you've had a physical relationship with a woman, that is how long even though you're allowed to have a physical relationship with women, if she is married to you, was with the same gender, there is no concept of marriage, and therefore it is haram in terms of a physical relationship? Number two, where do we stand as a Muslim community in terms of discrimination? If someone is of a different ethnicity, a different race, a different culture? Are we allowed discriminating against them? Right islamically, we're not allowed to do those things. So that same thing in terms of orientation, we have to
understand that if a person has a different sexual orientation, so
you're stretching, okay? If a person has a different sexual orientation, then Islam clearly not allowed to discriminate them against either we can't say you're not allowed come to the rescue, because like I say, It is not our house is the house of Allah subhanaw taala, we need an avenue to come and learn. So discrimination in our faith is based upon, you know, these sort of things is not allowed. So when we stand up for human rights is equal rights for all human beings, regardless of who they are, and and what they believe and all number three, in terms of having these discussions,
we have to understand that, let's look at the lobbying of the LGBT community. Let's look at how they've lobbied there's not a single popular TV show that you'll find in this day and age, except that they'll have someone that's overly from the LGBT community, and obviously, strategic and smart lobbying. Now, what this means is, you need to start having these discussions with your children at a very young age, that you're going to see this on TV, if you watch it, but understand that this is not right. Now in terms of counseling and talking about these issues, this is what I would call it.
That part of the community has to stand up and provide the service. And if we don't, then all of us are sinful. And that is why it's so important to have Muslims diversify their fields of education. Right? How many engineers? Do you have people with an engineering background? Raise your hands. Okay. How many accountants? Do we have accountants? A few accountants. What else? Do we have any doctors here?
One doctor from the law. Okay, now let's look at psychologists, how many psychologists here
most psychologists, let's look at something else, a counselor or therapist, we are one counselor. So I mean, these are these are the needs of the community. So when we talk about
as you're listening, to choose a field of study that the Muslim community desperately needs, that whole process of education becomes an act of a bother. And I'm sure that Allah subhanaw taala put so much barakah in your risk that you will not regret that decision whatsoever, because you're providing a service to the Muslim community. So I believe
that we need to provide these counseling services. inshallah, I'm hoping that on a separate day, we'll discuss this issue in detail.
have a son who's always
wonder what's the when's the earliest age that I introduced the concept of God to him talking about
Hello, tada, I taken
the time
to do that concept in a structured way, or, you know, kind of an ad hoc, organic way, you know, any advice on that? Excellent. So in terms of teaching, you're gonna have different philosophies. And I think you need to find the philosophy that works best for you. What I find that works best with children is just having a natural approach. So for example, when I eat and drink with my right hand, I'll pose a question to my daughter, do you know I'm eating drinking with my right hand? Because Allah subhanaw taala attempts to do so? Or, hey, you know, this is what happened. And I spoke the truth. Do you know why spoke the truth? Because even though no one else is watching me, I know that
Allah knows what's in my heart. So these sort of things you take life as an opportunity to teach and to engage. Right? I think what we've done wrong is as a community, we only have consumed education if you are educated, but you live life separately outside, as long as the word life and that is the way we should be teaching our children that you actively tell them, why are you doing these things. And that is why the most important part of being a parent is being a good role model. There's no such thing as having islamically Cognizant children, if you're not a good role, model yourself, the two can exist simultaneously. So I think as long as you're making an effort to explain to your
children why you're doing these things, right? Why do you pray five times a day, because this is what Allah wants us to do. As long as they start to realize and hear this name another quiz, Allah will understand that Allah is the Creator. And you'll be surprised that you know, even my, my with my daughters, they're six and eight. Now. They've never asked, you know, why can't we see God? Or why is God hiding? Or any of these complicated questions, we're afraid of? That we hide him his discussion, because we don't have answers to these. So when we just shy away from it, but it was natural,
that we accept God, they need to see God to understand who God is. And I think when we have these teaching opportunities throughout the day, that's when it becomes a lot more palatable than rather once a week. Okay, let's study Islam together as a family. That's just my opinion. But like I said, like we can do discuss this in Sharma question. Okay, this can lead you to making sure you check in with him to make and then we'll go to the sister after that inshallah.
Yes, is that like celebrating like, homosexuals or like, well,
that Muslims are trying to do is help Muslims that are in the closet come out of the closet. That's what it was about. So my question is,
I don't know how to word it. It's like, okay, so like, how? If like, so that there's one shift? I think, yes. Your friend, a friend of yours. He's saying that like, for like, the LGBT community, like we should work together, or we should like, I think he's like, pushing towards, like, in that direction? Yes. And like, some, like Muslim scholars are saying, you know, we can't work together because like, we're like, two different, two completely different lifestyles, right? Of course. So like, can we work together? Or like, should we like, if we like, lobby together for like, one cause? Or should we like push for their rights big yet? Because they get more rights. And we'll also as
like a minority will also get more rights, right? Of course. So can we like push for the rights be like, yeah, let them do what they want to do. But like, we're not going to take part in that kind of thing. Or we're not going to like,
support it. But I guess we're all kind of supporting it. So I don't I understand what you're where you're coming from? Can we start passing the mic backwards?
After I answer this question,
okay. So in terms of like the, there's two important principles that will need to be understood over here, number one is the command of Allah subhanaw taala.
Well, that's a funny one, right? cooperate with one another in righteousness, and goodness and drama, do not cooperate with one another in sin and invoice. Then the other is the statement.
That after the sin of disbelief, of sins, after that become many minute and petty. So now, when we talk about human rights and cooperating in business, like I said, after Cofer, there is no greater sin, right? So we want to cooperate with someone who is a disbeliever, in things that are mutually beneficial to both of you, while we separate, you know, separate that concept from someone that is from the LGBT community. So that's the first thing that needs to be understood. Number two, is that the cooperation that we're working towards, is equal rights for all that there should not be any discrimination towards anyone, right? So as a Muslim, or a non Muslim, as a white as a black as a,
an Arab, as a minor, whatever it is equal, that's, well, that's what we're pushing for. Now, what this needs to be understood is, we will not change our morality for this, right? Our morality cannot be compromised. If someone says, Hey, would you know, lobbying for equal rights for all nonperformance for two men or two women? I don't know that because my morality is drawn, that Allah has told me that Nika
can only take place between a man and a woman. However, if you choose to have a legal marriage and require the eyes of the court of Canadian law, by all means, go do so I will not stop you from doing that. But when it comes to the role of religion, go to the 30th Allah and His Messenger, and not any of us over here. So those boundaries and parameters need to be understood. We push for that though, like, like, yeah, you can go have your marriage or whatever, but it shouldn't be framed in that way. It shouldn't be framed in that way. It should be framed in equal rights for all lack of discrimination. That's how it should be framed up * thing like I was just gonna ask you like,
how much have they rebranded? Are they like, are they still wearing like bikinis? Are they just not naked? Or are they wearing like suits like, you know, a fashion kind of thing or like, how much has been rebranded because if it's been rebranded completely, then I don't think it's like that bad of a thing. Like I say * is not just a magazine, it's an entire industry. They have channels, they have other things that are all in their playbook, but the magazine itself has rebranded itself. Now in terms of actually getting to question I don't know, to what degree, but what I can tell you is one of the articles that I used to prepare this one is an article on Islam 21 c, 21. c, and you look
out for the article on display the incident, and actually talks about how they've rebranded and structured and they said they they play those big selling point was that they used to have a centerfold of a * woman, like the main middle articles about a * woman, they no longer have that, where she's fully *, but she just partially *. Right? So that's the restriction of binding. Like I said, as a Muslim, our understanding of morality is very different from a non Muslim, right. So can you use that? Like,
some people, I guess, people that argue for it, they're saying, Yeah, it's good publicity, right? But like I said, when we go to a strip club and give Dawa, Is that good? That's a very extreme example, this exact same thing. This is this is a physical manifestation of a strip club in your hand. Right? That's what it is.
Can you pass the mic back and just pass it back is going to the sister section. Let's get one of the kids to take it to the back inshallah.
Yes, my friend.
Sure.
What time is Aisha says that at age 40. So we'll be concluding in the next 10 minutes inshallah.
Salam Alikum walaikum salam alaikum. I just had a kind of a question in regards to what you were saying about the, like, say LGBT communities, say within our own community,
understand about us being tolerant to this and I won't say exactly because we know that it's wrong and it's wrong. But my thing is, is if we show so much tolerance, they might get the wrong message that, hey, we're accepted, even though it is goes against Islam. But hey, we're being so tolerant, we're being and I'm all about equal rights and everything. But if they see so much tolerance and equality, that it might send such a negative message that, you know, especially to maybe younger people, or say, some Muslims that are having these tendencies that, hey, while we're accepted, this is okay.
You know, so how do you, how do you define, I guess, not to find that or just kind of
find the balance in a move away from them thinking that, hey, there's still equality, we're going to be accepted no matter what, whether we're, we have these tendencies or not.
So I think, like I said, we're gonna have a much larger discussion on that topic on a separate day. But in summarizing my response, I will say that we cannot compromise on our faith. So when the parameters of halal and haram are approached, it always goes back to what Allah subhana wa tada and His Messenger sallallahu Sallam said, but at the same time, if someone has fallen into this, we can't see it, they're not allowed into the mustard, or we can't see where they'll go to engage in as a Muslim community. So I think it's important for us to have open and frank discussion in the wisest of ways, but particularly what we have to say, in the best possible fashion without compromising on
who we are. So this is going to be somewhat hard to navigate through as a community, but I definitely believe that it can be done. And in terms of giving them rights. I don't believe that if we give anyone rights, it will mean that we're all the same. Right? People understand that people are different. People aren't as
I don't want to. I don't know what word to use. But people aren't. Actually I should, I shouldn't say that. People aren't as
people are more sensical, or people make
more sense than we think or expected not to. So I think open and frank discussion, normal parameters, articulate route with wisdom, that would that would be the way forward. So like I said, we're gonna have a separate Holic on that topic. And Shall we discuss it more than
any other sisters with comments or questions?
Try try again.
Yes. Okay. Can you hear me? I can. Yes.
I just had two quick comments about the some of the discussion that was going on. Yes. So one was around, like, educating our women more, because I guess they're moms. And so they're educating the kids that are coming up, of course. And so from that perspective, I think it's also good to let the brothers know that we they need the support from their dads or husbands. When there are helicopters, for example, specifically to women, or wood, there are like women teachers that are coming out, we need to go out and support those initiatives. Right. So when we had the Holocaust, for example, like the one you held, it was like it was good. But it's so hard to get people to come out sometimes they
like at the different conferences that happen in Calgary. So just, I guess a plug in for the first tour is setting the brother straight support the sisters initiatives,
make sure that they're able to attend in Sharla. And the other one was also around the interaction that brothers have with with sisters or with other people. So in the same kind of situation where like, a lot of like our sisters are working at like Walmart or things like that, where you're like customer service or even at other places, right? I find this a very weird interaction when it comes with extremely good.
Brothers. It's like for everybody else, it's okay. But when they have like, we don't know how to interact, right? It makes it very weird and difficult in even professional settings like that. I found.
That is a wonderful point.
When you see another Muslim, why is it so awkward? Right? Why is the other side is so common, ask them how they're doing. There's nothing wrong with being equal, and how you're doing as a professional courtesy, like you were saying to everyone else, why is it we discriminate against other Muslims. So in this whole situation, I think we need to get over that awkwardness, that there is nothing wrong with things that are equal to the opposite gender, as long as your heart is clear, like don't do it for the sake of sparking up a conversation and trying to get married to her.
Sister, that's the way it should be, like Creative Artists of most importance. And it shouldn't be awkward anything, the system makes a very valid point. Now I want to get back to the first one that she's raising as men, what are we doing to help our sisters increase the money and increases Islamic education? Right. So as a responsibility in your household, that Islam is being propagated properly. And what that means is at the simplest level a couple of times a week, the man needs to take care of the children. So the woman can Islam to develop or she wants to attend the Holocaust. She wants to listen to a lecture online, wherever she wants you to increase your self esteem. You have to
facilitate that the boat the boat, take care of the children change some diapers, the chase after your kids, whatever it takes. And on top of that, even more than that is not just for Islamic education, sisters needs time off as well. You can't just expect them to live their whole entire lives day in and day out the household, they need time to socialize amongst themselves with the time to vent they need time to do fun and creative things. Others do. So from time to time, please take care of your children to show your wife that you love and care for her by giving her responsibility for those few hours. I don't say go because I know we can't handle a day.
Right? It's a nice weekend inshallah. We'll take one or two questions inshallah, when we break for some operation
costs will conclude with these two.
Yes.
See,
men and women who are the age of man can marry right However, when it
matters for marriage is this this
has to do with the system
and
the consequences that the sisters then sometimes your
parents, so what happens that
they get you know, I know I know a system
Having lationship with non Muslim young man, right? Because you know, she cannot address it in a proper way, of course.
Right. So this is probably one of the causes
of anywhere else.
Now, that is a problem. And what I would say to this is that over here support to, you know, increase our own education, and know that if a father or one is making ridiculous demands, then there are ways around that, that the center will accommodate to. So that is when you approach the man with the love of knowledge, and you find a way through. So this is a simple answer. If a man and a woman agree to the terms of the measure, say $100,000, and they want to get married to each other, but the man knows he can't afford it. And the woman knows that is. So they allowed to be to wherever they want before the marriage, and as soon as that was done,
that was completely permissible thing. So you know, the father may be extremely demanding, then as you monitor Plus, you know, to make things easy. So I think there are other ways around. And this is not an excuse that I understand. That's not what you're saying. But I'm saying the Sharia is very accommodating. And we need to find the way that the city accommodates to it. It is known as marriage become difficult, but look how easy it is to fall into Xena. Xena is so easy. So cheap spatola. So as a community, we need to wake up to that. And I also add to that the prince of education, I can't emphasize that enough, especially when it comes to gender interaction. We need to have more open and
frank discussion. And last question for the evening.
Actually, I don't know where the mic is anymore. Where is the mic? Okay, can we get some passive forward when the young kids go get it?
But I never said the pitch for homosexual rights. I never said that.
Yeah, so I understand that. But as a Muslim, our standpoint is equal rights for all. And no discrimination against anyone. Right? We don't specifically target a
specific target already discriminating.
What does that mean? Do whatever you want.
Again, it's very important to
but I don't know what that means. What good is that term mean?
to like, have your sexual orientation? Yeah, just like, Yeah. Do whatever you want. Like, yeah, just like be who you are. Okay. And it's like live life. Yeah. But what what do you what is the, I guess, positive effect or negative effect of that statement? But isn't that what we're saying? Anyways? Yeah, I'm saying, so what I was gonna say was, because she was, I think the sister was saying that, like, if you push for the right thing, we're gonna begin to like, get the wrong idea. And then you should know and tolerate them that they want to get the wrong idea if you tolerate that. Yeah. So
it's not like we'll start so like if we, let's say, what I'm saying is we're open and frank about what our stance is from the beginning, that this is what my Dean says, This is what my morality is. Yeah. And within those parameters, I'm still wanting to defend you in terms of any forms of discrimination. You have to you know, accept it as a package or rejected as that package. Right.
Okay, so like, the more conservative Islamic stance would be like, you can't even say something like that, right? Like, the more conservative stance means go back to Muslim countries and living in Islamic states. Something as a result of dislike supporting them beginning or saying something like that, like I said, I'm not supporting them.
Like, don't like misquote that not supporting them, but just what you what you said, Yeah, equal rights for all without discrimination. say, Yes, I have no problem. And islamically I don't believe there's a problem with that either. There's not a compromising about it. We're kind of like tolerating it right. So then once we tolerate it, I'm sitting like, eventually, we're gonna leave it in the people who are gonna start following them. And then they're gonna, like, get the wrong idea.
This is having a clear, explicit message in an articulated fashion with wisdom. Yeah, so we never compromise my principles, no, compromising. What we say, when we're talking about is that when you have something Islamic to say, displays it properly, right? So framing it properly, even if you phrase it properly. I'm just saying that eventually, it can lead it can lead to something like a Muslim, eventually, you know, rephrase the property and end up somewhere else. And then
and then there's going to be
making is the equivalent of a slippery slope argument that if I leave my house, I'm going to get hit by a car. There are chances that if you leave your house you might get hit by a car. The probability of happening is
is not very likely. And like I said, the key thing over here is not looking at this issue in isolation. Education of Islam in general needs to be increased. And any institute that is, is, you know, educating people about Islam support those Institute's to get the truth out there. We have enough organization Institute's that are promoting
a pacifist watered down version of Islam. And when authentic voices stays quiet, that is when those problems happen. But when implemented, voices are empowered, and is done in a proper way that I think is in the benefit of the Muslim community. Alongside for the sake of argument, well, that's good. I appreciate that. Does
that
make sense? Oh, sure. Right. It's like a small,
three minutes before the comma. Okay. So like, yeah, this, like the brother was saying What? You know, like, he's watching * and all that stuff on the rise, how can we like kind of like stop that, because like, people are getting married at like, 2526. And like, they need to fulfill their desire for
three minutes.
Alone knows best.
Marriage is not a solution to problems, right? marriages, when people are mature enough and ready enough to get married, they should get married. And marriage is not just about physical intimacy, it is about responsibility and accountability and building a pathway to gender together. So so people make marriage as a you know, focus on intimacy. But that's not really what it is. So I believe again, that needs to be a more holistic approach that starting off from a young age we have met nannies on our internet so that children don't have access to a number two monitoring where kids friends are that they shouldn't have bad influences on them. Number three having open and frank
discussions with them that hey, this world of * exists, this is why it's bad for you look at the statistics of what it does to the mind look at the statistics of how this depression out ruins people's marriages and use that approach. And as they get older instill in them that even though mom and Baba can't see, unless why not that is always watching you. But those are the beginning steps that we need to start with young children. And then as we get older, the issue of facilitating marriage, and regularly fasting and staying in good environments will all come into play. But Allah knows best and Allah protect us. That will conclude it
Allah