Mohammed Hijab – The Moment Daniel Haqiqatjou Caught Out Anti-Muslim on PBD

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The conversation discusses the argument that Jesus stopped many things in the Old centers and lost political power in the Roman Empire. It also touches on the history of the church and its use of the Bible as a reference. The speakers explore the confusion surrounding the Bible and the use of "orthopedic" in the Bible, including the potential for "orthopedic" to be used in the future.

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			So we've got the second clip, where he's also making an argument. Let's actually look at what he's
saying. Okay, yeah. So Jesus stopped so many things in the Old Testament, you don't accept that.
That's, that's, that's your choice, for example, why his disciples never killed an apostate. Why His
disciples never wavered political power. As soon as Christians gain political power in the Roman
Empire, they started doing things you didn't have the jurisdiction to do. So they didn't care a
minority. They weren't empowered. As soon as Christians gained power within the Roman Empire. They
applied the Old Testament laws, the New Testament about truth is notified in the canon law. Do you
		
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			know Are you familiar with the Canon Law? Yeah, I want to talk about that. He's got he's got
literally yes, no response is no response. As you can see, he's making this argument. He's making
the argument. Why did Jesus and his disciples not do anything? Why Did nothing happen, etc, you're
forgetting the history is as if you don't know the history, Jesus, and we're not even in power
before we raised a good point before we get to the history is I always find it so interesting like
that when Christian people compare him Hamlet, Eliza Lampson was Jesus. Because Jesus for them is
God. Yes. Yeah. Muhammad for us is the final prophet. Yeah, yeah. So if you want to be fair, why
		
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			don't you compare Allah with Jesus? See, in their mind is almost as if they've humanized Jesus.
They've already it's like a tacit admission that Jesus is not actually a God, he must be compared
man for man. Yeah. Yeah. So it's a tacit admission, okay, hey, you got Jesus, the man versus
Muhammad demand this compare both careers. But if you guys believe as you do, that Jesus is God and
is part of the Trinity and so on, then surely, surely, he should be compared with Allah, because we
believe in Allah as I've got. That's the first thing. The second thing is, is the point that Daniel
made was actually a very powerful point. Because even if we do compare now, yes, Jesus, the
		
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			historical figure, the man with Mohammed, Salah Salem, Maha cylinder, the main difference
historically, between the two is that one of them was given political power. He has political power,
he's a statesman. And the other one, according to their narrative is that he was humiliated and
killed and across. So you can't say, well, actually, let's compare his behavior with his behavior.
Because then when I come back and say, well, in the book of Revelation, when he comes back, he's
going to take vengeance. Yeah, yeah. He's going to take vengeance. Yeah. So I mean, so they would
say no, but then what they will do is they do the shift, they say, but he was a goddess. So God can
		
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			take vengeance if he wants to. So becomes a god when he's taking vengeance. Yes. And he's a man when
he's being humiliated. Very convenient. It's all. So there's, there's no winning here. Yeah. So
that's one thing. And then the argument here, which is that Daniel is making and then they deny it,
how could they deny it? Because it's very, very clear and historical record. If you know, the early
history of Christianity, anyone has studied the early history of Christianity, okay, that there were
first a persecuted minority. And then, in 313, Christianity was made into it was allowed, it was it
was tolerated in the Roman Empire. Then when,
		
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			then when Constantine became a Christian himself, he constituted it as the religion of the empire.
And then after that, near the the fifth century, like the end of the fourth century, you had
Theodosian stuff, which by force, you know, he, he insisted on certain theological things. And if
any, forget about non pagan pagans, and some non Christians, if you didn't believe in Nicean,
		
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			Constantinople, Constantinople, type Christianity, then you could be persecuted physically for that.
And this is well known historical record. And then you have a * history of, of Christianity.
You have the Crusades, you have the Crusades, the Crusades, I mean, how can these people how can
Robert Spencer, okay and Rashid Hammami sit down and speak as if they are ignorant? They're not
ignorant by the way of the Crusades. He's not ignorant because I've seen what's his name? Robert
Spencer speak to Java.
		
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			I can't remember his Hashmi. Yes, I had a debate with him. Yeah. And in that debate, he he quoted or
he admitted that there have been people who have effectively have been inspired by Biblical verses
to do violence. He admitted that point. Yeah. So um, because you have something called a papal bulls
and the papal bulls, these they're authoritative,
		
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			you know, proclamations by the Pope's Yes. Okay. And, and they will papal bulls from Urban the
Second as you know, you know, in 1095, in the First Crusade, when when they came in, they were
requesting the cording to them. I mean, the whole initial concept of the Crusades are religiously
motivated, was justified religiously motivated other people bought by the race, not just because all
the things they mentioned in that thing. Yeah. Slavery, this that we're all that stuff, the machine
gun tactics. All of that you have people bought, like, for example, the papal bull of Nicolas
Nicolas the fifth. Yes. Now the papal bull of Nicolas, the fifth.
		
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			justified or gave the religious justification for slavery? Yeah, so all of these things having been
said, you can't actually make
		
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			Second argument and I was very frustrated. A lot of the Christians, some of them, yeah. And I'm
going to challenge this now, some of the Christians were saying, Well, Jake, and Daniel didn't
understand
		
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			the Old Testament and didn't understand resource. Actually, I think both of them understand
Christianity more than most of the Christians do. Yeah, they study that on an academic level. And
moreover, number two, there's a second point. If you really think about it, yeah, you've got
		
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			you've got Christianity that's been pushed here, which is that there's a new covenant and that
there's no there's no requirement for a law. Okay. That's what's being said. So that Jesus, as he
mentioned in the beginning, Rashidi said, he stopped, he means to say he abrogated, he don't want to
say the word. The abrogated all that was required. In the Old Testament, even though the exact
opposite is mentioned the Bible, yeah, but I'm not here to do away with the law of the prophets,
affirm them. But put that sort of side. If you if you look at it, and the secondary source scholarly
material, people like James Dunn, EP Sanders, others, like you can look at this in the scholarly
		
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			works. non Muslims have written about this, the idea that actually it was Paul himself, Paul, who,
in the early Christianity changed Christianity in a manner that would make it seem as if all you
need to do is believe in the crucifixion, the resurrection, this story, and you don't have to, you
can forego the Old Testament rules. This is not something which the early Christians do. And the
biggest tension that you can find in the Bible is between Paul and James and people know who James
is. James, according to the biblical narrative is meant to be the brother of Jesus Christ. Yes.
Okay, brother, how because they believe Joseph, the carpenter had another, you know, son, which is
		
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			not through marry. Obviously, a lot of them do believe in perpetual virginity and stuff, I'm not
gonna get into the doctrine. But the idea is that they believe in James, now James, you can see a
clear,
		
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			you can see a clear conflict between him and Paul. And in that conflict, Paul is effectively trying
to argue against the law, especially circumcision, the book of Acts, you can see, he's arguing
against these kinds of things. And Paul is saying, be with the Jew, be a Jew, with the Jew and the
Gentile with the Gentiles. Be pragmatic, but the point is that there's nothing definitively to show
in early Christianity, that this movement away from the Old Testament laws was definitive as they
want to be, make it out to be Paul seems to be spearheading this process. And that is clearly in
historical record. Clearly, it's been mentioned by scholars of Christianity, non Muslim scholars of
		
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			Christianity, even Martin Luther mentioned, and I can read quotations. I mean, maybe if since we're
doing this video, I can, I'll read a quotation from Martin Martin Luther, who, as you know, we're
talking about Martin Luther Martin Luther King, Martin Luther, the, the who he's named after Martin
Luther is the,
		
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			in many ways, the one who started the Protestant Reformation says the following. He says, though,
this epistle of James was rejected by the because sometimes some will say respondents will reject
it, because it wasn't made it and this is another question Who decides what books go into the Bible?
I don't even want to ask an atheist society it wasn't through a council as tenacious decided, and
what books go into New Testament This is channels one, however, this is this is what
		
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			this is what mine is, is he saying though, though, this epistle of James was rejected by the ancient
ancients, I praise and consider a good book, to state my own opinion about it without prejudice to
anyone, I do regard it as the writing of an apostle. And my reasons. Follow in the first place is
flatly against Paul, and all the rest of Scripture and ascribing justification to x. In a word, he
warned against those who relied on faith without works, but was unequal to task is spirit, though
inwards, thoughts, sorry, and words, therefore, I will not have him in my Bible to be numbered among
the true chief books, though I would not thereby prevent anyone from including or extolling him as
		
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			he pleases for the otherwise many good sayings in him. So basically, know that he understands this
idea of justification justification by faith Salafi day, which was promoted in Christianity, this
this idea is a poor line idea. Okay, and this is something which is clear. Why then would we throw
away the Old Testament and throw on the bus, even if we by the way, let's not throw away the Old
Testament by the bus? Let's just stick to the New Testament because they made it seem as if there's
nothing in the New Testament, there's nothing in the New Testament. So let me just read this imagine
if this this particular thing was in the in the Quran, okay. This is in the book of Luke. Yeah.
		
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			And this is something which is meant to have said, Jesus has said, Yeah, I have I have come to bring
fire on Earth, and how I wish it were already kindled by have a baptism to undergo and what I can
what constraint Am I under? It is completed. Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? This is
Jesus. No, I tell you about Division four. Now there will be five in one family divided against each
other three
		
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			against to and two against three, they will be divided father against son, son against father,
mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother in law against daughter in law and
daughter in law against mother in law. Now what we're talking about here, this is the New Testament,
don't make it as if the New Testament is a pacifist book.
		
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			So the thing is this is that they're coming across as if you've got violence, their whole argument
against Islam is you've got violence. You've got violence in your book. And this is your narrative.
By the way, this is the these are the things that we believe about Israeli cinema about Jesus. Yeah,
this is from your narrative, okay, of Jesus. But the point, the point they're making, which is that
Islam as far as effective, and I'll put it this way, but it's as crude as to say, look, the reason
why we're not Muslim is, well, the greatest challenge that we have against Islam is, as I mentioned,
Keishon of violence, and you mentioned violence. Okay, so what so what, so what you're saying,
		
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			You're Christina, throwing stones from glass houses, that's what it is. That's essentially what
you're doing. It's absolutely shocking. And that's why initially, in the beginning, I think it was a
very good point that Daniel made, who are we debating right now? What are we discussing? What are we
discussing with atheists? Yes. Because you're coming in and you're coming across as if you're none
the wiser to these verses in the Bible, you have no clue about these verses in the Bible. Okay. And
both of you who, you know, put yourselves across as, you know, a Christian representatives as
Christian, essentially, you know, speakers, okay. public speakers, representing the Christians. You
		
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			don't know what's in the Bible. You don't know that. And that was one of the main comments that
people had is that these guys could not defend the Bible. Yeah. But at what kind of You can't throw
the Bible under the bus? Just the Bible is they had an insufficient knowledge of Christianity. Yes,
yeah. Oh, Jake, and Daniel had more knowledge of Christianity. And this is evidence of the fact that
Jake was Quizzing. Robert Spencer, who is meant to be more knowledgeable in this matter. Yeah. Yeah.
About the Trinity. And he said that, namely, someone the first few 100 years, it's all about
trinity. Right? And by the obviously Jake means co equal and CO eternal. Yes. Three persons of the
		
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			Trinity. Yes. And this is and then he mentioned basil, who is one of the capitalization like we're
talking about what is the time of the compilation fathers is like the late three hundreds? Yeah,
that's not in the first round of Yeah, yeah, that's after the fact. So you've you've given them a
timeline of 300 years and then you give them someone 400 years later,
		
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			you're using him? Okay. You're using him in order to make the point that all three persons of the
Godhead are eco eco co channel, which is exactly the Nicene Constantinopolitan creed, which is not
which is not what happened. And then he mentioned I don't know if he's a gracious or one of the
children of all the church fathers that has mentioned all of them believed in subordination. All of
them believed in subordination ism, they believe that the father was more powerful than the son the
Holy Spirit. So when it came to the key matters when they did they can co equal them. Exactly.
		
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			Equal Yeah. So that when it came to the key tenants and the key credo implications, there's no doubt
in my mind, they tried to avoid that like a bargepole. They have to, they have to because they're
weakened. They don't want to they don't want to if it was a proper debate about Christian Islam, why
not debate it how hate Trinity divinity look, there's two things that really separate Muslims and
Christians number one, thank you. Yeah, Trinity the Trinity Yes. All right. So the idea of this
Jesus got this is why don't we start with that and then number two, the Prophet Mohammed Salah if
you resolve those areas, there's no difference between commonalities resolve those two areas.
		
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			There's no difference between Muslims and effectively we believe in the same thing. If we resolve
the issue, the Trinity and Prophet Muhammad Salah that's it they then learn how to complete the
point is is you guys are too scared to engage with that they as soon as JAXA is speaking about
trinity they want to engage because you cannot because your belief and the modern day Christian
belief that the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are co eternal. Yes. Okay, they've all been there
and they are co equal Yeah, okay. That they are equally God. Yes. Okay. This is nonsensical to the
idea of monotheism it isn't against monotheism Yes, absolutely. Okay. And you cannot be as
		
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			Christians claim you cannot claim to be a monotheistic Okay, and claim to believe in this idea of
the Trinity square circle I think what you've done here is right I think we've we've looked at some
of the things here this Rashid guy honestly he's he's ended his career before could even start Yeah,
why stars in the English speaking language against people like Daniel Pikachu and Jake Brancatelli
Why would you start with a Muslim with as your he's one of the top guys? Why would you start it's
like going in a boxing ring. And the first fight you want to have the issue is the issue is clearly
got knocked out from him. No one wants you to ever represent them again. You are finished. You are
		
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			finished. You're absolutely done. You can go back to speaking in the Arabic speaking world where a
few cops will clap for you. In Arabic speaker even they don't like you. But it's done. Now for you
in the English speaking world. You've been vomited out very, very quickly. We don't know we don't
like it. The Christians don't like anything
		
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			You don't like it the Americans don't like it even even the Moroccans don't like it. I mean, your
own people don't like it. You're humiliated just yourself and your nation as Allah, Allah says
Jamie, no, his nation is free from him. He goes, of course nation is free. Allah sent Jake. He this
guy he is this is an amazing point. Allah sent Jake Yeah to ship because Morocco is one of the best
for me is one of the most beautiful countries to go to. The people are fantastic, are excellent. The
culture is brilliant. You have a river, and they're very tolerant people you have it's amazing
because if you were to look at him Subhan Allah, someone who's got the Arabic language somebody can
		
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			attack him about what what do you call wearing the clothing? I mean, let's do a poll in Morocco. And
let's see what the Moroccans have to say about this. And the guys wearing a suit. Yeah, I mean, he's
wearing a suit. And he's talking about why is it Why is he wearing this Moroccan clothes? Why are
you wearing my clothes? like who are you? You're in his country rough. You are in his country? What
are you talking about? Man? Be quiet. You should be counting this size this and I think we should
end on this. Yeah, this reminds me of an ayah of the Quran. balcells Double will help kill a major
home for home family marriage. They denied they they turned away. they disbelieved in the truth when
		
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			it came to them. So they are in a confused state. They are confused. They're confused and confused.
Is that cool? Now sit on watching. We'll see you next time Slavonic Warahmatullah