Mohammed Hijab – Shocking Shia-Sunni Debate on Racism
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The conversation covers topics including racism and the use of race as symbols of racism. F hateful behavior from a recent video and a host's claims about a racist book, which they describe as fabricated and impossible to read. The host also discusses the use of race as a way to assert one's views and the need for history to be addressed.
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I know that even that is problematic did he know that there's even traditions that say
about learning black people say something along the lines are
they still and they yeah okay they're all of those traditions we reject them right
so many scriptures
and this is my claim to you right now and this is I'm doing nothing nothing is what I've taken me yeah and I'm giving it to you because I'm not someone who can do this is the color is a big thing
is when someone looks at all of the neurons in addition yeah makes a decision so I'm saying
who's well known yeah in some circles his his discussion of it and not just him but him particularly because I know he spoke about this issue Yeah, bro you know that
he said that anything in the Islamic literature
which refers to as the people from Sudan yeah which is at the time obviously below Egypt and stuff like movies etc and also any black people is a like that's what he said anyhow you lied meaning is not authentic now on the on the flip side to that one thing is from from the shy traditional perspective
we both agree and we've accepted that this had the * was known for Islam Kalkan. Mashallah that be aware of this tribe, the black tribe because they are deformed creature because they used to paste things in their faces. Well, I mean, they still do that now. I mean, can you go to Kenya gonna find tribes that people will put things in their faces and there was one say they don't have your books, but you know this word.
You know, it means in Arabic
abnormality, right? Yeah, yeah. Literally when you have something bro you know what you saying this? Is their normal, you saying this? Right. But then at the same time in Bukhari, you do have traditions where race is quite Yeah, it describes like it says, obey your leader, leader. Even if he's in his head like a razor.
That Okay, no,
that's fine. But
the idea is, look, the
bago leader, whatever color they are. And he said, even if his head is as black as a reason, it's like reason, Zack. Yeah, cuz the reason why that scene No, no, no, no, no, no, not by suggesting. Well,
let me tell you why. Let me let me give you
let me just No, no problem we were gonna talk about Yeah. But what I'm saying is that the reason? You know it's a lot. This is really interesting. There's a decent body and I'll come to the same one as Oh, yeah. of a woman. Yeah, she was a black woman. Yeah. Black woman. She came to us a hobby. I forget his name now. Maybe we can find the name. And he and his wife. He and his wife.
He and his wife were married.
This is
a wife and husband were married. Yes. Now
what happened was that this black woman, she said, Oh hold on. I gave this man breast milk. And I gave this woman breast milk and in Islam. We know that if you give a man and a woman breast milk they can't get married. You understand that? Yeah. Okay, yeah, you know the nourishes the profit for for rabina human body says for found rock avena Houma
means he divorced them. Now wait a minute, this is really interesting.
This means divorce. There was a divorce here. You know why?
Because he divorced between those two, because her testimony.
Now who was she was a black woman. The two groups or subgroups of people which would which you think are most ridiculous in society? Yeah, he accepts he accepted Salah Salem according to all Hadith literature.
narration of a black woman over animation of a man and his wife, both of them went against her and they said, No, this didn't happen. they protested. But the Prophet he accepted her narration over there.
There is another Hadith in Bukhari, which is Abdullah bass was one of his students, and then they saw a black woman. Then he said to the student, he said, You have to see someone from the people of gender. He said, Yes. He said, look at this black woman, she is one of the people in general. Yeah, she's one of the people that she is living on Earth at that time. And she is one of the people of paradise. Then he asked him why. Then he said, she came to the Prophet sallallahu sallam, and she had she she had kind of epilepsy used to think. And then she came to the Prophet sallallahu sallam, she asked him, Allah, I guess and asked him if God for me that Allah killed me from this disease.
Then our Prophet sallallahu Sallam said to him, will you be patient? And you'll get gentlemen. And she said, Yes, but just only ask Allah for me when I when I think that I'm not, it's for my own illness.
And then he said, do that. He made that for her. And, and he told her that she will be one of the people.
He said, If you want to look into the gym, look at this black.
thing is I don't disagree with this tradition. I have no problem accepting the traditional, traditional people because it demonstrates equality, how it represented equality. The reason why
the reason why we presented those on our channel was for a reason because a certain channel accused Our
understanding
is a video that I'm filming the reason the reason why we released that was because another channel accused us of racism and self
defense. So to promote some of the videos on
accused of racism
or racism.
We said you have them too, so he can play that game all day. So you don't have to defend yourself. accusing
them? Yes, they have no problem. Okay, that's why we don't have racism.
Very low blood.
racism. Racism almost exists in almost ethnic
racism from here in the UK. You could be a white guy from Scotland. Somebody from South London and you'd be like Scottish.
We have this. This is an interesting Heidi from the home mom. So we have this Anissa
for example,
who said about even the robot?
He said, he said
he hadn't saw that. Oh.
And he was very angry with him. And he reprimanded him and yes, yes, yes. Now I'm asking you a question. It's very important, because he was.
Wright was not a man. Right? He said to develop neuropathy.
So that whole son of a black woman, so Bill morava, he wanted
a complaint, and he complained. So he
got very angry. And he told him, yeah, Is this true? Is this true? What you've been saying? Yeah.
Yeah, and this is Jerry.
So he clearly got angry, condemned it and he called the ignorant jelly act is one of the worst criticisms you can get on the west coast.
So here's my question. So question.
Can you provide for me one Shiite Hadith, which condemns racism
against you like, wait, wait, wait one second.
Let me just specify exactly what I'm saying. I'm just
I just want one to criticize,
as the narration that we saw in our books, from a Shiite perspective, one killer Hadith, which says, and I'm not saying I know the answer.
I really wasn't I was
just thinking.
It wasn't like I was asking.
You asked for one duration. Yes. Okay. Yes.
Yes, of course. There's a whole chapter in our coffee volume on
that talks about racism. And it says if anybody, if anybody has a mustard seed in his home of racism
with respect, you know, obviously you got
to
listen.
Listen, I'm telling you now, the no coffee. I'll be willing to accept it. Yeah, I'll find a few. But then it's only fair every time you present something. I'll do exactly the same thing. No problem. I said.
I've just said it in Arabic. Exactly. That's what's been authenticated. To be honest. Your reference, that's what you asked for isn't
asking us what the Arabic
Arabic tells you find it? I'm saying.
I just want understand your agenda.
There's no agenda. I'm simply asking.
I just want to know why. Why? Because he's curious. He probably wants to say
I have.
I think because when you have
a strong one can a pro this act saying yes.
To the highest standard? Yeah. Which is Yeah. Be careful. Or the luminary of the of the black. The black suit? Yeah. Because the deformed people.
Problem. Yeah. Now we need another standard to clean them that in order for us.
We are asking when we are asking.
One second. Yeah. Firstly, distribution you brought up about racism. Okay. Which obviously, it's a you
know, it's fine. Yeah. What's the one you just mentioned about abuser? Yeah. rebuking who's again.
So the point is, and by the way, we have for example, Halloween, been 12 years she married
married a black man as well.
And we have intermixing within black community. By the way, you know, I was doing research. Sorry, I this is gonna sound a bit tangential. I'm broken. I just finished, just finished going to lighten the mood. Okay, go for it. I've done a DNA test. And basically, about one fifth of my body is Nigerian or something like
that?
I was like, 20% or 20 come up with like, a big number. Yeah. Yeah. So I was wondering, you know, why am I because if it was East African, you know, okay, East African because East Africa's close to North Africa, right. Because I'm originally from Egypt. So what was going on? Yeah, I I've done some research, you know, on the on the crises of Russia, and one realizes that we have a long standing tradition. I've got the sources for this. I'm gonna just I'm just giving it to you as an interesting point. Nothing Nothing academic here. But because black people have certain characteristics, that muscle muscular and wherever they do have even now To this day, obviously so let's go.
intermix with them, especially the crushes that's why because I was wondering why
you got
your DNA maybe you have some
ancestry bomb Pakistani by recently. No, I mean, like, like the whole the whole chain is interesting. You should we should try.
My mom is married into
it. That's all we take origin from my mom's
mom, what am I
okay, so
basically, if I was gonna come back to you, I was gonna show you the tradition for coffee algrebra so the point is look, I think they are not going to stand in like throw clothes because I can show you I'm not trying to ruin let me finish for
you. But look, I think they we have chapters dedicated our books that talk about racism, okay. And the amount of annotated lays down day to themselves. their mothers were from black descended
from slave women. Yeah, yeah. They're not signing wives. Some of these women will say women no out I'll ask you a question. Give me one. zingy woman, one black.
Sudan from the nubians from this NGOs that the Imams married
Well,
the mom was
asking a question not talking about the skin color. I'm talking about black from the subcontinent from the sub Saharan African region. So Sudan from the non Arab places.
Because I've asked you the same question. Could you answer it? One second?
Hello? Okay. She's an Arab woman. Okay. I mean,
I need to understand your angle, accusing us of racism, essentially. No, I'm not accusing you of racism.
Research you've
done research.
No, useless racism is a big thing. Yeah. And let me be frank with you in our countries and our countries in Pakistan. a black person comes to this country, sometimes they mistreated, speak Hebrew properly off, no problem, but demonstrate is how we have to address these things. As much as I'm not I'm not going to
stay here. I mean,
please listen to what I'm saying. I know, you might not find this important, but is not very important. I finally
explained to you before, so yes, as I explained before, yeah.
Our books heavily criticized and racist. Can we have the dystopian view? I'll see that?
Yeah. Okay. Good. But having said that,
the tradition you presented from which we spoke, we mentioned the tradition of Busan, sizing more than one book is mentioned.
Here, yeah. But this criteria was not accepted by all synthesizers. reason why I say that which part which person, for example, marrying black people.
Okay, yes. I,
I
take a fatwas. For example, say
the difference between Sunni and Shia is there is there is a cool thing between us. The cool thing that for us, if a school make mistake, we don't follow it as simple as that.
So
no, no, it's different.
An opinion
before we were talking about hobbies, and this is
for us, we do
disagree with that. I'm saying, look, if you want to be fair, just the same way you may disagree with the statement of some scholars who may have issued fatwas, like cu T. He wrote a whole book about racism, but I'm not going to discuss himself. He's black and
Okay. Do you know why it's called the CLT?
You know, why? Something to do with
time? We were
very upset. But the issue of racism is a real one, which is affecting communities. Now, well, I and that's why I appreciate his he says it's my choice. Anyway, coming back to
Lower Egypt, right, like,
doesn't mean he's back. No, he was black.
Right? I know, because my family are from the area. Yeah. Do you know the boys is Black has this money. My mom's?
My uncle is like this guy. Right? I'll show you a picture one day. Okay. The reason why my mom's that my mom's brother is like,
and the reason why is because I can do with
this guy is for a suit, which is the point I'm making to you is
what I want to say to you is noise isn't a choice. This is the important issue. Yeah, we've been as most of the time as Muslims, we need to be very introspective about it because people from the non Muslim to me are hammering us about the issue of racism, right? And we need to be very introspective. Now. What I'm essentially saying is that I'm not here to accuse the Shiite community of being
racist
I know many guys I've been around I've been you know they know me and I know them yeah i'm not saying that they're racist I don't know much about Iranian society for example, black Santa Claus whoever
I don't care I don't know what that means even yeah they have a black Santa Claus by the way
go big enough in the area My friend was telling me about it because there because the blacks were upset with the guy because he was black.
So it's a white guy he puts it puts a black skin on like black and then one day he did that some blacks saw him I saw you doing he tried to take you know, but they didn't realize that was part of Caribbean culture. What I don't know
the thing is
racism as a city before it's
everywhere. I know I know. Talking about who couldn't marry our sister because the father wanted her daughter to marry our son yeah example Yeah, that
fortunately exists. Okay. I think I appreciate your approach to this is it the other brothers approach? Today he's gone now
is more interested in political subjects? This is polemical this isn't social
it's totally important.
And inshallah next time Yes, because it would only be fair if I bring
you reject
you rejected specific issues? No, it was particular to a certain group from the people who
are not believers.
It's about black people being deformed
my bro I didn't interrupt you. Let me finish so if you look at the traditions like any traditions you put them all together you look at is referring to a certain group of people even though even though despite the fact that refers to a subgroup of blacks Yes, I'm asking you to accept this idea. Bro is same in your book says oh
why why are you Why are you trying to force your opinion on us to accept accepted no we're not saying to accept it was Pacific to a certain group of people why is that is acceptable in your eyes?
That's racist. racist because it's not talking about black people is talking about a certain price
I can say to you is you know racist to say well, Arabs cannot marry non Arabs.
as well. Arabs are not allowed to marry Tex. Oh by the way these are state
we say
we say this
let me
let me let me get someone who's not Muslim. gasps Can you come here please? Can you come a
real black man Yeah, fix it well, you
know
please let me just ask you a question if I said to you look I'm gonna say just dislike this you're not job my job. Yeah. We were of Nigerians.
racist.
Yeah.
What would you say about
Nigeria
Nigerians
racism.
All right.
Questions.
What do you think about
Our country.
By the way, by the way, by the way for you to know
someone called me they said some of the shots they want to
go now that's not
subject to
gameplay, but watching the games
isn't what you did.
What you did was wrong. It was wrong. Because I can go to every black person and say, What does your black brothers think about somebody called you a distorted creation or somebody who calls you your embryos, stay away from your embryos, away from your bellies and gentles.
Right now,
I'm talking about
the point.
The point, the point is, he's saying to you, we reject these things. We say we reject them. We condemn them. I say it's wrong and it's racism, regardless, whoever said yeah, now that's the point. Right as the province of asylum, he criticized a Buddha, which is a respected scholar in our eyes, he
and he told him that Shafi confirmed this
Shafi said when it comes to black people, and he said okay, this is this. He goes when they get hungry, they steal I when they pull the phone, okay, okay.
Listen,
listen.
We condemn if we say we, if he said that,
even though we said we say it's wrong, we said
he said,
I said yes, I was gonna say no, let's check. That's what you said.
We asked him when he asked you the question about, he said, Can you condemn this hadith?
He said, Oh,
he says,
Okay.
Let me finish. Because sometimes
four or five books.
When black people are hungry, they swear which What is that?
The book is called
page one, one.
So he says
it's not religion. It's not religion. I have no doubt.
No
doubt.
I don't doubt the sincerity of
the I would support racism but I'm not saying I have not said today.
That is
condemned racism. That's called in Arabic so I can see what we asked you. We asked you to bring us
back
to you
We
think this is invented.
By the way, hey,
listen to this, how do you call
the people who say all the time, he's condemning this, he's condemning.
And by the way, by the way, for you to know that as far as how, yeah, McConnell has said he said means D means the book all the people they will say for example, the people
here
How can you get you the PDF okay. So,
he is condemning criticizing,
criticizing the public say
such and such, you
know,
so this people they will say, he is condemning criticizing these people who fabricate.
So you brought, this is the problem before you brought the Hadith, that in the book, in the book, no, in the book condemning fabricated Hadith on the tongue of the people, and he said this or fabricating, saying, people claim that,
and you brought it
right, the people used to say it, and he's criticizing it.
You see,
that's the problem. That's the problem.
The point is, as far as sorry.
But the point is, is that what I'm trying to say is that I know, a chef, I wrote three or four books,
as far as I remember, wasn't one of them. No, no,
no, no.
It wasn't what
we said very clearly, what we want from you guys, there's two challenges. Very simple, very simple for the people, we've been able to provide evidences. And by the way, we've done the same thing with Christians. We've done the same thing with Jews. And the reason why we're doing this is because we're trying to put a thesis
on this wall, I'm gonna say this. If you can't find the Hadith, I'm gonna make this thesis very clear, open. Sunni Islam is the only racially
let me let me finish when you say Sunni Islam, do you represent the Sufi community to do?
Let me let me answer the question.
When I say Sunni, I'm not talking about anyone who identifies themselves as Sydney. That's what I'm saying. Which includes all of the aforementioned that you mentioned. Yeah. Anyone who identifies themselves okay. And I will even go further because, because that's a good question. What is a Sunday? He writes in his book, yeah. I mean, he just suddenly said, there's two kinds of Sunday. Yeah, I'm using, he says himself, there's two kinds of sneezes and suddenly, which even includes the martensitic, isn't that which we will say tala, which are like, deviant *, but they're basically not Yeah, their sources are not the same as ours.
Not even the same sources we do not.
The point is, what I'm saying is that Sunni Islam is the only religion, mainstream world religion in the face of the earth, which is racially inclusive, and includes black people, white people. That's why we find very clearly
been able to ascertain right now, is that the Hadith, the sources that describe anti racism in Satanism, why he's talking about we have a whole chapter?
I don't think
so sorry. You said there's a whole chapter dedicated to racism. Yes, the word racism. There was no Arabic equivalent. So it could be that it was against tribalism. Right. And that's why I suspect right believe it was against tribal tribalism, which is very clear, right. But we're talking about explicit Hadees. That condemn,
basically, targeting, say, for example, black people, I say that the only school of thought and the whole world, including Christianity and Judaism, etc, of the mainstream religions, including Hinduism, which I believe in the caste system, including, maybe see, by the way, see, because it might be another exception to be fair to them. Yeah, because they reject the caste system. I'm trying to be as academic as possible. So Sikhism might be another exception. But with that, I say that Satanism
completely rejects it. Would you call it racism and its most racially inclusive of all of the ancient world religions is number one. So I say to you now
Can you find me anything within the Shiite literature which explicitly condemns? Which explicitly condemned racism racism to black people in particular? I can find you that in it says Albion
Walla,
Walla,
Walla
that's what that's what it says no, there's no fuddle of a
more black overweight
but it's simple.
We have it. We have the inner books. Can you show it to us? Sure, shall we? Let's leave it
before the shake leaves, I just want him to read Arabic here. So he can read it from so can you read aloud please? Because since you're an expert in Arabic,
Arabic please read it.
It's the book you mentioned earlier which book selling lacasa doesn't
give me the book please. But I'm reading an OK.
Book apparently, apparently.
So he's not Shafi but he comments on it. Okay.
Here he said he is this book you know what this was the book. This book basically done by Allah and he is saying the people they will say fabricated things. Yeah. And then my cousin has an idea.
Okay, I remember
talking about this.
Okay. Yeah.
Okay. You know, what's the title of the book? Now please tell us the title of the book means MacArthur has a means means what is
objectives the objective
to expose the show Yeah, the Hadith which is which is the people that will say
he's not talking about these are authentic or not, he's saying people that will say
that he's bringing up he's reading and I want you to read it because it's a very important that you read this I'm gonna read this. Okay. Now here he says
that one No, Hadees he said he mentioned here actually get some time please.
Now he
said MLS what he said that
he mentioned about that
means that they have getting the truth for the kind of the
honest Yeah. For Barry.
Josie.
Josie fabricated one. Yeah. Yeah. Which he said. He said this engine
fabricated while OSHA has been hired.
And yet, okay.
So he mentioned that, he said, why the people have never seen it. They don't come to you. Yeah. Yeah. Then he said, Why did you come to you? Then the professor said and he said, he said there is no good in the in that person. And
if they did, yeah, and
he said that he
was a wonderful
animal. So he said Verily, the black man who will take for his
for his belly and for his as a private matter. Yeah, yeah. And then he said, the Sudan, his admission in Sudan and
South Sudan. He said they're gonna be called from Sudan. Cotton. So the black one for his, for his belly and for his private path.
Well, Senator Bazar has a better understanding of the bizarre he said they said bizarre is Hassan.
zinke either several, he mentioned that
for a winner, Monica will
come to my Shafi he said
this the reason why was it important? Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. So
he said, I was with the Shafi he said Phil Jackson.
He said there is a black member that he has problem is I gotta be for him to lay the way he said that I stand for him, to them, so called to call him come intercept a call.
He said, he said, What is my sleeve? He said, very important story, guys. By the way, by the way, by the way, do you know, do you know do you know a mission? And
that's what you need to know. The introduction here in the beginning is talking to you about
what he said.
That's the problem.
He mentioned that.
He said, kill us because you put us in a dilemma.
Three a geo in a Sudan Do not be he came to the black people without the white one.
Maybe he escaped for him as a black slave. What I do
is I'll use Rocco to the homeless. Maybe his problem is,
and
he didn't mention anything about.
Okay, so please tell us what's the story about the story here.
This book as follows this book is how he is bringing
the fabricated head on the tongue of the people. People have splitting things, say claiming
assets. Okay. Yeah. So he's bringing all these fabricated. This is the title of the book, The title of the book, is to bring all this fabricated.
Production if you know it, he said, he put it in.
One slide one. Yeah. And then he mentioned all his stories, all the stories about the black people and all these things.
So the problem is, and you brought this up, and he said, I was really shocked. It doesn't say that the seven statement is another thing. It didn't say that statement. And then they mentioned about
this, they said it was mission, this
mission, this
mission.
They said they said they said so called Muslim chef, and they said the soul is one in the front.
Why do you say so calling? Because in the beginning, you see the introduction? Did you say they see the introduction of
the problem? What do you do? You just took this bit? You didn't read the introduction?
You're referring to the beginning here. Do you see this one? Do you see this one too? To hear you said they mentioned it in front of Shafi yet silent. Yes, this is this is the beginning of it, but he didn't object to it and
this is the problem. The problem this, he's saying people are saying such and such people said for example, people said in my country there is a cave. There is used to be monsters live in that case, people they say oh yeah, I will say to people this in such a such cave, there is a monster
Okay, the problem is people don't say or they will be dragged in the thing that people say. Now here he is bringing he said on the tongue of the people is wildly splendid that Chafee one day was sitting with his students and he said to him this hadith and he kind of approved it, he is bringing before it that's introduction shame, saying that this is fabricated and it will Josie condemned it and before it before
Josie,
Josie said all of these narrations are fabricated he mentioned those alphabetically and he said one of the things is the story
he was mentioning now
is fabricated
see the dragon then you'll know
when you go to the cave in my village you won't see the dragon
dragon here he's saying to a fabricated
English, English
English
fabricated stories.
So how do you say shut up?
understand what I'm talking about.
Yes.
Call it
everyone.
Everyone.
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