Kamal El-Mekki – Giving Dawah In The West
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The speakers discuss the challenges of following up with Islam, including losing control and the loss of control over region. They stress the importance of following up with people to avoid becoming "willing" and the importance of showing the truth in guidance to avoid confusion and misunderstandings. They also emphasize the importance of creating an " urgency" to avoid becoming "willing" and the importance of avoiding dangerous behavior in public settings.
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Salam O Allah, tala
Rahim. hamdulillah Hello Rabbil alameen wa salatu salam Arusha, Colombia in mursaleen, my bad. So I was still to speak about Dawa. if that's okay with everybody, all right. All right. But for a few people that might be a little repetitive, or, you know, you may have heard the material before. But
for what it's worth will continue in Sharla.
The first thing is that it is from the the wisdom of Allah subhanaw taala is that he chose people of the caliber of the Sahaba of the Prophet sallallahu Sallam to spread Islam when spreading Islam was very difficult. And from his wisdom, he chose us to spread Islam at times that were relatively easy. I mean, there is difficulty involved in Dawa, and there's always a challenge involved in it no matter what day and age you live in. But at the same time, we don't, we don't suffer or encounter the same amount or degree of difficulty, that the companions of the Prophet sallallaahu Selim suffered. And he, no one tries to burn us when we, when we call them to Islam, no one tries to beat
us physically, things of that sort. And I'm assuming the the Australian public is also well mannered in that sense, right? That they don't insult you when you when you try to get down to them or anything. And typically also in the US, it's quite easy.
It was surprising to me to learn that in Canada, people can be a little aggressive when you're calling them to snap, I spoke to some of the out there and they would say that, that people would spit at them a lot of times, like 15 times a month, maybe, you know, one person was telling me my first day they spit at me and some people had spit up their face and things like that. But you know, beyond that, we really don't hear anything worse than that what Allah hunt, you don't hear of anyone you know, getting, you know, injured physically because they were calling people to Allah. So Allah Subhana Allah and His wisdom he gave us the the day and age where it's not really that difficult to
call people to Allah.
And one thing you will discover inshallah, is that the the challenge really, is to follow up with people and keep them upon Islam. As for getting the Shahada, it's not a difficult thing. And I know I say that a lot of times, and people think that I'm just exaggerating or making it sound very easy. But really, it's not very difficult for someone to take the Shahada, the real challenge is to follow up with that individual.
So as I always say, I mean, some of some, some friends of mine who are not, they're able to get about 70 orders in one day. 70 in one day. So if I got you a team of like that, and we put a goal of getting you about three to 500. She knew she had this every month who would like that?
Yeah, okay, great. But so then we're going to do this to your community, then we're going to bring you a team of experts, and they'll bring you like, let's, let's just be fair, let's say this 300 new shareholders every month. So now these 300 jobs every month, let's say 10% of them are going to be kicked out of their homes, and they're going to need a place to stay. So can you provide 30 homes, and some of them will be women? Can you provide every month and you have to do this every single month 30 a place for 30 people to stay. And then let's say half of them are women, they're gonna need hijabs and Jill bags and things of that sort, can you provide that, and then for the 300,
they're going to need massage. And they're probably going to need prayer rugs, and the boys will need a hat or something to make them feel comfortable. So and this will continue the entire year long. So 300 per month, and that's 12 months a year. So now we see how much more of a challenge it is. And the reality is that, you know, follow up and our it's if it's a community effort, it'd be the Dow becomes much more successful. And I always reference some incidents that took place about 1000 years ago in the region of Mauritania. And anyone listened to that yet. No. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Do you remember the name of the first tribe, the large tribe?
Now? Yes, so basically, this was about 1000 years ago in the southern part of Mauritania, where there were two large tribes there.
It was the tribe of vallentuna and sinharaja. And basically, one one in the tribe of sinharaja. Their leader, he
He was upon the fitrah. And he knew that his people what they were upon, it wasn't right. They call themselves Muslims. But there was alcohol consumption there was in people to the point where people were addicted to alcohol. And, you know, people need method and would, like illicit sexual relations were rampant. And no one would ever say anything against it, and so on and so forth. So their leader, the leader of this tribe, he, he knew this was wrong. But he didn't have the knowledge to rectify the condition. And so we see them the importance of knowledge when it comes to doubt. So he got an idea. He said, when it's time for Hajj, on the way back from Hajj, I'll bring with me,
someone who's knowledgeable who's going to call my people to Islam. So on he goes to Hajj. And on the way back, he stops in the city of Cairo one. And he speaks one of the Maliki scholars there. And he tells him that, you know, this is the situation with my tribe. So that scholar sends with him a man by the name of Abdullah even, yes, see, it's a great name, great man. Really, everybody should know of the Lebanese see. So he goes with him back to his tribe of sinharaja. And he starts to call people to Allah, he finds really a horrific situation. The people absolutely lost Islam, but they will just call themselves Muslims by name, but there was nothing, no, no attribute of a Muslim
whatsoever.
So the shift started to call them to Allah. And of course, they resisted him heavily. And they threatened him, you better stop this stop calling us to this religion, and forbidding what's what's evil and calling us towards good, they hated it. So he continued, and then they beat him as they promised, they physically beat him. And they threw him out of the village. And they told him if you come back, we'll kill you. So now, I'm the Lavinia Sandringham Allah, he was a big scholar in his area, so he could easily go back and start his halaqaat. And he has his students and everything, but he had him or him Allah, he felt this the weight of the responsibility. Now, if he goes back to the
village, go kill him, he will die for the sake of Allah, which is not a problem. But he actually wanted to fix these people. If he dies, then they still remain upon what they remain. And he hated that new Muslims will be born thinking this is Islam. So then, if he goes back home, then he still didn't achieve his goal. So he does the, the the unexpected. And he goes deeper into the desert. And he set a camp attempt by one of the rivers, but one of the banks of the rivers in Senegal, and he sends a letter to the tribe. He said, I'm in such and such a place, whoever wants to learn about Islam, you can come to me, there were five young men, these young men, they wanted to learn the
religion, they wanted to approach the chef, but they couldn't because of certain people will refer to them as hub, Al masala. There are certain people who benefit financially and otherwise, when from the corruption of society, they benefit from that added benefit. When there is alcohol being sold, they benefit and they remain in power. So these people didn't want anyone to sit with the share. So now that he moved to this tent near the banks of one of the rivers in Senegal, he sent the letter he said, Whoever is interested, you can come to me. So these five young men, they came to sit with the chef. And he taught them everything and he taught them their Aveda, their Deen their acts of
worship. Now beyond that, he taught them also how to fish and how to hunt and how to cook and how to fight with the sword. He really taught them how to become self sufficient. So now, when a man settled into their heart, this is the beautiful part about the story. When a man settled in their heart, he said, Everybody go back and bring one person. And this is the genius of the method, bring one person see now how would we have done it?
Everybody go back, who can bring me 1010 takbeer, Allahu Akbar, who can bring me 1516 of the
numbers, we love numbers. But he wanted to work with quality. So the five all of them went back and they brought a friend or a family member that the first felt would most accept the message. And so the five became 10. And they had to set up another tent next to it. And then after a while, the 10 would go and each of them would bring one. So the 10 became 20. So just you always know that when something multiplies at a good rate, it's better than big chunks of numbers. And you know, the old
kind of quiz question, they tell you, if I give you a job for 30 days, I'll give you $10,000 a data to payment plans $10,000 a day for 30 days, or I'll give you one cent, you have sensia that's the smaller increment. Okay, I give you one cent today. You work all day. I'll give you one
Next day, you work all day a double it two cents. After that, I double it to four. After that, double it to eight, and so on and so forth, who would accept the first payment plan?
Okay, you guys are all intelligent. So everybody would accept the second payment plan, right? Because with the first payment plan, you make $300,000. But with the second one, it comes up to millions of dollars, because it keeps doubling, he keeps multiplying, not just one charge, one excitement, then everything dies down. So the same thing here, really. So basically, the 10 became 20 to 20 became 40. And then they had to put new tents and new tents. And then he would split them up, each five people will be under one person who like will oversee them, and so on and so forth.
It's kind of also like when they need the people from Medina came to pledge to the profits or asylum he put, he broke them into groups, and he put people in charge. So basically, within now this man that was one and beaten and thrown out. After two years, when he comes back to his village, to the people who beat him and throw him out. After two years, he comes back with 1200 men in two years 1200.
So
if you look, you know, we, some people have been giving Dell for more than two years, but they don't have anything near to this number 1200 because he focused on the quality of the individuals quality. And so my friends that I told you about who gets 70 shots per day, they don't retain 1% of them, not 1% remain upon Islam.
So it becomes just we get you had this for numbers, and we show off our numbers to other people. And so, you know, and speakers always happy and you'll find people with phenomenal numbers that they claim that they'll go into, well, I have 250 This goes they have you know, you know 17,000 or discover have 9000.
You just give me your, your accounting heads? Or how am I what's the percentage of them that actually started to pray and got to the point where they memorize that fat and so on and so forth. But so the point is, to make the long story short, basically, when they became 1200, he said we won't be defeated because of numbers. So we can go and give down to this village now. So now when they enter the village, as 1200 men were to add, the people couldn't resist them. They couldn't just beat all of them, like they beat up the 11 year seen before. So they started to change, and the numbers start to increase, but it only increased to 1400. So 200 more.
So then what happens? The leader of the tribe, lamb tuna, they were the two tribes next to each other. They were basically Berber tribes. Yeah. So the leader of the tribe next to them, he saw what the changes and he loved what was happening here, the positive changes. So he went to his people. And he said that it's I will not speak to any of you unless we all enter into Islam. And kind of like any
historical is happened also, or some of the companions would go and say, speaking to your men and women is haram until you you enter the new religion. So he did the same thing. And overnight, the number became 7000 because his tribe entered and they all united. And shortly after he does that he brings all these people to Islam, the real Islam, he passes away, he does Rahim Allah, and his son abubaker, even armour alum Tony, he takes over, he becomes in charge. So after a while of delivering he is in Ramallah, he he dies, or he actually gets killed in battle. And so I will book Ragnar Merlin to me now he's in tribe in charge of the tribes and in charge of both groups. So he hears now
when he's in charge of this group, and we say the men now just the number is 7000, we're talking about the men only, not the woman and children, just the men, and the numbers doubled to become 14,000 within just a short period of time. So then he hears of the quarrel in another region that's not under their control between two Muslim groups. So he goes to make peace between these two groups, he takes half of the number of soldiers so he takes 7000. And he leaves someone his cousin in charge, as like the interim kind of President. And this man.
His name was
useless even tashfeen or us also pronounced Tisha feet. So usually even tashfeen.
Welcome the honorable lampooning he says, I'm going to go and fix this problem while I'm gone. I'll be back soon just sit here and be in charge. So imagine someone tells you just sit in my place. I'll be right back. He goes, and he fixes the problem between these two tribes and then he realizes that there are a lot of other tribes. Some of
Never heard of Allah. Some of them worship trees, some of them worship idols, some of them just totally astray. So he said, I can't go back. So he says to give him down. He says to call them to Allah.
So when does he come back? He said, just wait for me, I'll be right back. He keeps giving that over 15 years. 15 years is giving that we're calling these people to a lot. In the meantime, usually even touchscreens, have you know, I'm not just going to sit here and wait, he's gone. Going down to the south, I'm going to go up to the north. And so he goes northwards. He takes the other half, and he goes up to the north. And he brings a lot of areas into Islam and he and he brings with Solon, New Zealand, he
comes back, he finds that
he comes back and he finds now new cities that he'd never heard of, and he finds the city of Morocco. And all of Mauritania now is under Islam and Morocco in so many places now under his control. So what he does, he does something really unheard of historically, he says, you know, you, you're you run here, you'd be the president, you're not replacing me, you be in charge. As for me, I have found the sweetness of calling people to Allah. And he turns back down again to the south er, and he starts calling and bringing places into Islam. So he brings into Islam now under their control. And this is basically the story of moroccon non historically or an English almoravids. And
they bring, so now they are in control of all of Morocco, all of Mauritania, all of Senegal, all of Tunisia, Gabon,
Nigeria, they bring Islam to Nigeria for the second time, and so many other places to make a long story short, the number of people who are Muslims in this area where they did this work, where the Lavinia scene started, and who was beaten and thrown out one man. And then he taught our book Ragnar miralem, Tony, and he continued upon the same system, the number of people who were Muslim in those regions by let's say, the census for two years ago, is 170 million Muslims 170 million Muslims today, from the efforts that were started there, and it were started by one man, but the whole system focused on quality and not quantity. Because the truth is, quality will bring you quantity.
But
so with that being said, Now, we start to realize that it's a community effort. You see, in our story, the whole community, we're not the soldiers, the men were qualified to add, they had the knowledge, and everything else, but their families also understood it, and they supported them and the community work together. So now if I were to bring those 200 charges per month,
notice the dot, the three, the outer four, who bring them into Islam will find it very difficult to keep up with them. So then the community would have to take charge. And we'd have to work together in order to keep these people upon Islam, pull our resources together, it's a lot of work. So I put this introduction, so that now we're going to discuss some quick dial tactics. And while I'm talking to you, you will think that this guy, you know, came all the way from America just to trick us. And I don't believe anything, this guy is saying, that's fine. All you have to do is put it to the test. The idea is that, really, and for the past three or four years, I've been traveling every weekend,
I'm in a different state, sometimes a different country. And we're teaching this devil workshop of how to get people to enter into Islam. Quite, you know, in an efficient way. So within 10 minutes, you can speak to a total stranger and inshallah, within 10 minutes they can be Muslim. Now, of course, that's not a guarantee. So if it takes you 11 minutes, you come and ask me for your money back, right? So a lot of times, it takes you know, it sometimes it takes 15 minutes, sometimes seven or eight minutes, sometimes 30 minutes. I personally had a shot. It took me eight months, eight months, and we worked so hard with this person. We read it together, we argued Danny, we look at the
arguments that were logical, we read even biblical verses together, I'll tell him go ask your peace priest say what he tells you. Then he'll come back and say, Well, he said this and Tom will whose argument was stronger who say your argument, it took eight months for this person to become Muslim.
Then there is another Shahada that took me less than 10 seconds, really less than 10 seconds. I didn't do anything. I didn't even say anything. And as I say, it was a there was an event where we were passing out pamphlets. I gave a pamphlet to somebody. And he stopped and he started reading it. So the fact that he stopped to me, I read into that, you know, we've been passing out pamphlets all day. No one stops. Why did he stop? That means there's something so I went back to him before I could say anything.
Yet when I got him, he said, Alright, what do I do?
So it has nothing to do with me It has nothing to do with you. The reality is that this man was probably searching for the truth for so long. Maybe he read all of the Quran half ago Quran. He's been interested in Islam, maybe his uncle's been a Muslim calling him to become Muslim. So when I crossed his path, maybe that was the last sign that he needed. That was the last piece of encouragement. So I said, What do I do now? So the reality is, it's possible, and you can meet someone at a store. And they might ask you if you're Muslim, and you might explain to them in a few minutes, they might enter into Islam because of a couple of things.
The first is that there are two types of hedaya. Right? There's hidayatullah, shared and tofield.
Shared is when you direct someone to the truth, all you have to do is show them what the truth is. That's where Allah Subhana Allah says to the Prophet sallallahu Sallam were in nicoleta de la serata must attain, verily you go to the straight path. That means you can guide people by showing them the truth is, the second type of VEDA is Hidayat a trophy or Hideto philia. This is when Allah open someone's heart to Islam. And that's why you find a verse that would sound almost dead. It's contrary to the verse we just mentioned, where Allah Subhana Allah says in nikka Latta demon ABD we're lacking Allaha de Masha, you don't guide those whom you love, but Allah guides whomever he
pleases. And the other verse, you do go to the straight path. So you would think that there's some kind of contradiction, but the truth is, unless talking about different types of guidance, one
where you direct someone to the truth, the other one where Allah subhanaw taala opens their heart to Islam. So the distinction is absolutely necessary and crucial. Because when you realize that your job is just to direct people to the truth, nothing can stop you and nothing can stop you. All you have to do is show them what the truth is, opens their heart to Islam, hamdulillah. And you can tell them the truth more than one time, you can constantly call people to Allah. And that's why sometimes I'll see someone with purple hair and piercings and all sorts of crazy things and their appearance. And I'll say, let me go give that person down. The people with me will say no, he looks difficult.
What's difficult is two types of hedaya. My job is to talk to them. It's not difficult. And the part of Allah subhanaw taala. No one would dare say that's difficult. So who can really stop you then? And who can come in your way? Yes. But so with that being said, then the We Are your Dharma techniques, and a lot of Muslims unfortunately think good down is just to have the non Muslim ask you questions, and then you answer whatever the questions are. Or on the other side, that you just throw information at people. And that's what you find. If you ever hear especially in unexperienced to art, they're dour, they keep throwing bits and pieces of information at the person. Yes, Islam is
a religion of peace. Yes, in the Quran, Allah mentions plate tectonics and things like that. Yes, in the Quran, Allah mentions oceanography, and there's some other embryology and some other miracles. And then you throw another piece of infamy. Yeah, we have to fast and we have to pray, then you throw another piece of information. But you know what, you're just throwing information at the person, what you need to do, you need to get the person to move through a process, you need to channel their thoughts organized, and lead them to that you had has to be organized. And so as we say, the first step is what
if people took the course, the first step?
That's our foundation is what?
to hate. And then we want to build upon that right? The existence of Allah. So I meet someone in the street, I don't know. And by the way, for the purpose of our talk, we're talking only about calling non Muslims to Allah. We're not talking about calling Muslim because that's also that way. But I'm specifically talking about calling non Muslims to Allah. So here,
I meet a stranger in the street. I need to know if they believe in a creator or not, because that if they don't, I can't build upon that. So how do I find out if someone believes in a creator or not?
Ask them and how can you give me the wording?
Are you Muslim? possible? That's actually my technique in in the US, anyone I see someone, especially if they have the look, do you know what I mean? When when I say they have the look? Who knows what that means? Someone's got that look that they could be a Muslim. Yeah, okay. Sometimes they say that we will look at me like I'm crazy. What does that mean the look, but sometimes, you know, you see someone you know that they're close to becoming Muslim. They look like a Muslim. And sometimes I'll tell people, you know, ask someone like that. Are you Muslim? He'll say no. So why don't you Muslim
and
Then I'll say because you look like a Muslim. One time somebody asked me, What does a Muslim look like? So I don't know. But you have this calm look on your face. And I don't know why you're not a Muslim. Anyways. So now we need to, we need to find out who you're talking to, this is one of the first steps, don't assume anything, find out who you're talking to. So I want to know if this person believes in a creator or not, if they don't, I can't move forward, if they do what I'm doing. So one of the easy ways is to say, Do you believe in a creator? Is there a god? It's a yes or no question. Yeah, it's an it's a closed ended question. That's the best kind of question. Do you believe in a
creator? Yes or No, that's it saves you time, as opposed to one of our friends who used to actually ask, what's your view on God?
Which basically, it's saying here when we pull up a chair, and please, and then the person will start reminiscing? Yeah. Well, it started in, in 1963.
Long story. So is there a creator, he says, Yes, this is my first solid foundation. So remember, we were saying we're not just throwing information, we want to move in an organized way. So now from establishing the fact that there is a God, it's easy, and in the easy
transition into proving that there was that there that Allah sent prophets? Yeah. Why is it easy to go from the existence of Allah azza wa jal to prophets? Who can say?
There's no wrong answer, but who can say What? Why is there a nice link between the existence of Allah? And the fact that he sent prophets?
Anybody? Okay, those who took the course? Yeah. Don't make me look bad people. Those who took the course,
it makes sense, give us like one aspect of it.
Excellent. choccolocco, very simple. The brother said, Allah created human beings, he wants to show them the right path. So that means Allah has to have at some point announced his existence. subhanaw taala. To us, right? He didn't just create us and then nothing happened. So the the message of Allah has to come to the humanity, because Allah is fair, and he is just, it has to come through other human beings, because that's more realistic to send humans to humans. They're also the better role model humans to other human beings. So if Allah sent angels to tell mankind, and a lot of things would would be wrong with that. The first thing is there would be no test, right? And sometimes a
non Muslim will actually ask you a question like this, they'll say, Well, if God exists, what isn't? Come on television and speak to us?
You mean really go say something like that. And you know, you asked you tell them when where's the test? Ben?
Affleck, as your professor says, you have a big, big exam. And you come and sit down the answers on the board? Is that a test? No. And if everybody could see that, or could see the angels or something like that, there would be no test.
And that's why once you see the unseen, it's too late. And I guarantee you further on when he saw the Angel of Death coming to him, he said
musasa was right.
But it's too late. Once you see the unseen, it's too late. Once the sun comes up from the west, it's too late. You saw a huge sign now. So anyways, so then Allah azza wa jal out of his fairness, he announced his presence to us, he sends His messengers to teach us right from wrong, what is acceptable with a lower is not acceptable, and to warn us that there is a day of resurrection. So now there's a logical connection between Allah and the fact and out of his fairness that he sends prophets to let us know about things. And now that I established the profits. This was my second step, I want to talk about two in particular, Which ones?
Yes, somebody said, Hey, Sally, Sam and Mohammed Saracen. And that's how it becomes a sham, because they have an incorrect belief concerning him. Yeah.
So then,
like, without getting into biblical debates, and this verse, And here, Jesus never said that, and comparing the Trinity to eggs into all these kinds of things that they do, we can go, you can kind of bypass that in a very nice way. And just so it's not to be repetitive to the brothers who heard this, maybe, brother anon heard this maybe five times by now I'm sure he's sick of me.
So, the basically we tried this method on someone, when I asked him a simple question, I said, is it logically possible Jesus could have been one of the prophets of Allah? Is it logically possible? I didn't ask him, Do you believe that? Do you love that? Do you prefer that? Is it possible? And he said, Yes, it's possible because you can't say no, because we explained how Allah sent so many prophets before to mankind into humanity, and then he could have sent Jesus as a prophet and not as his son. It's possible if you wanted to, you could set Jesus as his prophet. So he said, Yes, it's possible. He didn't say I believe it at this
point two, then I said is it also possible that if a loved one and he could have sent another prophet after a salistre, Mohammed Salah Salem 600 years later or 1400 years ago, who also came with the same basic message as all the prophets of the hate and the message of you know, being good to your parents and your neighbor and not stealing in that line? So is it possible that Mohammed wa sallam could have been one of the prophets of Allah? And the man said, Yes, it's possible. He can say no, right? You almost never get a no here, because it's a low one. And he could have sent the Prophet can say, No. So then from this point, we went and explained the five pillars of Islam, we've
already explained one of them, and she had attained and now we've got four more to go. And you go over them very briefly takes you about 45 seconds. And he asked him, Do you understand each one? Yes. And anyone causing you a problem? friction doesn't make sense. No, everything's fine. Because logically, everyone understands the concept of being grateful to Allah and worshiping Allah. So he had no problem with that giving to the poor is just such a small percentage does occur. And you know, even the greedy person would would not admit that it's too much. So he would say, okay, that's fine. Ramadan, one month out of the year, you you put great effort, you don't use bad words, you,
you increase in your worship of Allah, you draw nearer to Allah, you treat the servants of Allah better. The problem with that? He said, No, no problem with that. And then had once a year, if you're physically financially incapable any problem said, No. So then these are the five pillars, we said, these are the five most important things in the religion. So now, you realize whoever we're talking to, in this hypothetical, we've agreed on the the basic things of Islam now. So the next step is to say, Well, this is basically the most important things in the religion. And you agreed with them, you actually right now have the ingredients to become a Muslim. You have the ingredients
of a Muslim right now. And that's actually what I told this person. I said, I mean, do you even know how you become Muslim? He said, No. And so the first thing you kind of, I made it look like it's not a big task, you make it very easy. So I said, well, you don't have to, like go on any 40 journey for 40 nights and 40 days or anything of that sort. All you have to do is say with your tongue, and believe in your heart, what you just said, you don't have a problem with that there is no god worthy of worship except Allah, and that Muhammad Sallallahu Sallam is his servant, and His Messenger.
So I say, this is exactly what I told him, I say you should become Muslim right now.
So the man actually said, Yes.
And this, the whole talk was like, just a few minutes. So sometimes people think, well, if you talk to someone for a few minutes, then they're not going to be a very strong Muslim. But if you talk to them for like, a year or two, Mashallah, they're gonna be like, yeah,
good Muslim. But there's no such thing. There's no such formula. He was actually very serious about Islam. And he would call me to do follow with me, he would call me and say, Look, when are you going to teach me to pray and, and I want to learn the Quran, he was very serious about it. So the point is now, in, in, in this kind of, in our story, basically, we establish that there is a creator. And we use that as the first foundation. From there, we made the logical next step, which is that the fact that if there is a God, then he has to have sent must have sent profits. And then of all the profits that he sent me wanted to talk about too, because they provide a vital importance. And then
once we got that away, we wanted to talk about the pillars. And there's a great benefit in explaining the five pillars of Islam.
Because you might encounter someone, and you might speak to them for seven or eight minutes, and they're convinced with everything that you say, we asked them to become Muslim. And they say no. Why? Well, I need to read more, because not very, I mean, I'm convinced with everything you said, but I need to make sure what I'm getting into, I need to read more. And make sure that there's nothing crazy in this religion. That will make me leave it later on. So maybe you explained some nice things to me. But then after I become Muslim, I discover you have to swallow a live frog every Wednesday after.
So nothing Well, I wish I knew about this first I wouldn't have become Muslim. So when you explain the five pillars, you're explaining the five most important things in the religion. And you're really saying, if the five most important things did not scare you away from the religion of Allah, then there is less of a chance, something of lesser importance, everything is important, but something of lesser importance will scare you away from becoming a Muslim.
So give you an example. True story.
And again, apologies to the brothers who have been hearing this for the past few days.
This was like about 10 years ago, I met this man. And
he was like, you know, he's like this old man, old Caucasian American man that has huge, huge white beard. He's got tattoos all over him like devil tattoos. He's got skull
rings and things of that sort. And as an old man, he said, basically, they told me he's interested in Islam works at a gas station. So I went to him. And I said, I hear you're interested in Islam. He said, yeah. I said, Well, what? Why haven't you become Muslim? He said, I have to read the whole Koran. Just to make sure there's nothing wrong with it. If I read the whole thing, and it's good, then I'll become Muslim.
So then, now I can just leave, right. But no, we'll let's see how much he is read so far. So I said, How much have you read? He said, I've read one third of the Quran. Okay. Have you find any problems so far? He said, So far, so good.
no problems at all. So now, what might you tell him? If he says one third is okay, what could you say?
None. Keep going.
jacala. I mean, he probably will keep going, but excellent. If one third up to this point is okay, then there's a good, fair, like, probability that the other two thirds will be okay. Also. So from just analyzing one third, if it's good, it's probably good to go ahead. Right. So that's what I suggested to him. And he got very upset. He had this complex, he didn't like people to suggest things to him. So he said, You're telling me what to do. Nobody tells me what to do. So okay, fine. So basically, we couldn't come to any conclusion. He had to read the whole quote, and then he'll become Muslim said, Okay. May Allah preserve him until he finishes reading the Quran. This was many
years ago, and I didn't see him again for perhaps nine years. It was two and a half or three years ago, when I bumped into him again. Remember what he said, if he reads the Quran, there's nothing wrong with it, he'll become Muslim. So I met him. I said, Did you finish reading the Quran? He said, Yes. As the first thing, right? Did you find anything wrong with it? He said, No. Did you become Muslim? He said no. He
said, why not? is well right now I'm reading Buhari.
said Yeah. Hey, Muslims haven't read Buhari, what do you think you're doing?
So
what do you think this man is trying to do? I already hinted to it earlier, what do you think he's trying to do?
Now?
Exactly. He wants to know everything about this religion, before he enters it. He wants to know everything about the religion before he enters it. And I'm trying to link this story to the importance or the benefit, you don't have to. But the benefit of mentioning the five pillars, because you're saying, look, if the five most important things, these pillars, hold up your near Islam, if the five most important things don't scare you, then there's less of a chance something of lesser importance will scare you away from the religion. It looks like someone who agrees with the five pillars and the fundamentals of Islam. But then you tell them enter the message with your
writings like
that, that's a little strange, and I don't want this religion isn't, there's less of a chance that will happen, because he agreed with the most important things.
So this man is trying to read everything about Islam before he enters Islam.
The problem is that this is not how anything works in this world. And a lot of times to get people to be logical about the religion, you ask them, or make an analogy to the dunya. And when something someone doesn't understand something, give them an analogy related to the dinner. So we're gonna do an exercise here. And I'll ask those who are familiar with it to to contain themselves slightly, and let everyone else get get a chance. So we came up with this analogy that has worked for us and hamdulillah tremendously well, tremendously. Well, if someone says, look, you spoke to me about the five pillars of Islam, every word you said, I agree with 100%. But I just can't enter your religion.
Now from a seven or eight minute speech, I need to read everything I read, read more about it, I need to flip through the pages and something like that. So
so in this case, you give a simple analogy. And like I said, it has worked for us tremendously, but there is no magic wand in dialogue. So you might try it and might not work and see what that brother was a liar. So you might try it again, another time, it might work well for you. Basically, we give them an analogy to an automobile. So you tell someone and this is what I'm going to offer you now, but just before we do it, I would like to tell you don't be suspicious.
The richest man in Australia took his Shahada this morning. And so he comes here isca and you know, he meets all of you and he's so happy here he comes to you after the Salah, gives you the keys to his car. He just became Muslim so it's not stolen. Okay, there are no drugs in the in the booth. As you guys say. There are no drugs in the
trunk or anything like that. He offers you the keys to his car. He says listen, brother, my car is outside. It's parked. It's what do we say was a good car here? Bentley? Okay. And I'm the shifter Jaguar. So holla we'll stick with Jaguar. So he says, I have a Jaguar outside, it's a 2008. If you like it, it's yours. You can go examine it. Alright, so now I would like someone to put their hand up and tell me, what would you examine if they made you this offer? Go examine the car. If you like it, you can keep it. Give me some things specific things you would examine in that car.
Somebody put your hand up and tell me
now. Okay, so the chef said he would check the engine. Somebody else?
What would you check?
Now
is
is it really? Okay, but tell me parts? What would you check to see if it's working?
interior? Okay, so good. So you check the engine? You check the interior? What else would you check? Yes, sir. Looks very good. You check the body. Right? Because maybe it's you know, it's a Bentley, but a train headed to No. Good. So these three things, what else? The wheels? What about them?
Okay, so if I give you a 2008 Jaguar just doesn't have wheels? You're not gonna take it? It's perfectly just consider. Okay. So what else would you check? These three things? Yes, sir.
The accelerator What?
Like, like the pedal itself.
If it's not there, you won't buy it. You won't take it. It's free. It's just a little piece of plastic like this. I'll cut my slippers and put it there.
What else?
Nan,
transmission. Thank you very much transmission. So in our examples, the things you called out were the most important things. The engine, the transmission, the body, the interior, when the most important thing is to make sense. You accept it? Yes. You don't come back and say how dare you offer me this car. It's missing the button for the radio, or the radio antennas is bent. These are minor things. And so this is the analogy. We actually tell people when we're telling them to come into Islam. Actually, the last time I use this with a person, we agreed on the basics. He said, I just I'm the kind of person I like to take my time.
What can you tell him? I said, Look, here are the keys to a Mercedes Benz outside. What will you check? And I got him to say all the important things. And then I said when the most important things in that car agreed with you. You accept it. Why didn't you accept Islam now when the most important things made sense to you? I felt ashamed a little bit. Yeah. How come I will take the car but I won't take accept this religion. The most important things you didn't. So nobody now compare our man who wants to read all of Buhari, what he's really trying to do if you compare it to offering him the car. He's trying to get take 100,000 kilometer I was gonna say mile test drive. So you offer someone
a car. He says, look, the car looks alright, but I won't take it until I drive it for 100,000 kilometers. Doesn't make sense. And nothing in life works like this. Nothing. Whenever we want to do you want to get a house, rent the house, buy a car, buy a suit. You never say well, let me keep it for seven months, or I'm gonna move my family and the children and my grandmother and everybody into the house. We're gonna live here for a few months. If we like it, then we might start renting from you, sir. It's not gonna work. Nothing works like that. So why is it with the religion people don't want to be logical. So
and, and what's like my countdown so I can organize thoughts with a timekeeper.
We have to keep it Danny, this is gonna be me, brother.
So
okay, so that's kind of let's let's, let's keep that enough for the basics. You explain the basics. And then from there, we go to the golden rule, which is
the golden rule.
Now, golden rules, you go for the gold, which means you make the sale, which means you ask for the Shahad. See,
this is the golden rule. I mean, in that hour, the rules, it's situational. You know, there are no hard and fast rules. Some people they try to make up rules for everything and everything but no, it's flexible. I mean, the way I talk to someone depends on many things, right? So right now if you if you introduce me to anyone in the street, when I talk to them, my talk is going to be based on the individual. Are they a man or a woman makes a big difference right? Not
The words that I use, or maybe in the words also, but like I want to be very close, if it's a woman, I won't maintain eye contact, I might put my hand on the man's shoulder, I won't do that with a woman. So it makes a difference the person older young, it makes a difference is the place quiet or not makes a difference? Do I have one hour or 15 minutes makes a big difference. So that was so flexible, the dye has to be flexible as well. But a lot of times people try to insist on rules.
I who I always say one famous speaker, he says that in order to give Tao you need to be African American, this is in the US. So if you're Pakistani, Arab or Indian, please get out.
It's not fair. And who makes up these rules. But the only rule I insist upon is that you ask for the Shahada. In the case where you talk to someone you agreed on all the basics, the fundamentals, what now that's like saying, you know, walk with me to my house, when you get to the house, you don't invite a man you slam the door in his face. Why did we agree on the toe hate and the profits of celebrating the final messenger and the pillars, then what he's there, he has all the ingredients of being a Muslim now. So then you offer him to enter into Islam. And this is how and I'm just because of time brevity of time, I'm not going to go into the many times where the pasilla, whenever he
would go call the people to Islam, he would call them to Islam. Even a sentence itself sounds ridiculous that he went to call a tribe to Islam. But when he got there, he didn't invite them to Islam doesn't even make sense. So that if you agree with someone tip two, on all the basics, then you invite them to enter into Islam. That's how it works. And if you compare it, let's just to make it more vivid. If you compare it to sales, they tell you that, you know, 97% of the time, a sale doesn't work it doesn't go through, it's that the salesman didn't ask for the sale 97% of the time, 3% of the time, it's the 1001 different reasons why they didn't accept cash, and I had the credit
card. And they might have they had this and they had that. And they had this color, and I wanted the other color. And it wasn't the right size. It wasn't the right time. I didn't get permission from my wife, all these other excuses. All these excuses are in the 3% 97% of the time, something won't happen, the salesman didn't ask for the sale. So then you as a die. If you don't ask someone to enter into Islam, they won't. And this is something I learned the hard way I used to go in front of the store, I belong to a Muslim every Saturday, I've got my bags, and I've got my hat on, got all the gear on, you know. So I go, I stopped people say, let me give you a five minute introduction to
Islam. I give them a pamphlet, I tell them about Islam. And then when I finished the introduction, we keep staring at each other was a very strange moment. I will just keep looking at him and he keeps looking back at me.
I didn't know what would happen, I thought he would begged me to let him become a Muslim. I really thought so. I discovered you know, people first they don't like to change, they're afraid of change. Even if they know there's something good, they're still afraid to change. And know people who smoke, they know there's good in that change. They can't change. People who want to die. People can't change or don't want to change or are lazy to change. So you have to motivate people. And you have to ask them to become your brother in Islam, you do it in a gentle way and everything. And you say, Well, look, you have the ingredients of a Muslim now. So when you become Muslim right now, so you
ask for the Shahada. I'm just gonna, for brevity of time not going to, like many more evidence is why you need to ask for the Shahada once you agree on everything. Otherwise, why are you even standing there and convincing everybody, you know, the convincing the person to come to all these common points with you if you're not going to do anything about it. So that's the first Golden Rule. The second golden rule is to create the urgency create the urgency, and a lot of times, people there that was basically, you know, here's the Koran. And you know, this is a brief introduction to Islam and take your time. And so people go, what do you think they do? Maybe they'll read a little, then
it goes up on the shelf, then it never comes down from the shelf. How many times have you met people who say, yeah, I've got a copy of the Quran I got a 10 years ago. Did you read it? And now because there is no urgency, shaytan is going to be working extra hard to make sure they don't have time for the Quran, with work with whatever else they have in life. So you have to create the urgency, and how many times in the seat of the profit sort of low so let me would say funan pull in Allah, how many times would he tell people to become Muslim? If you read in the suit of women, a sham, how Abu sufian became Muslim. You see the column called created urgency.
He took the Shahada, and it wasn't like what you would, for lack of a better term, describe as like a superb Shahada. He just did it because there aren't any the Army's entering and it's kind of a tough predicament, but he wasn't forced
Because he had the Jaguar he was under protection. If you read how awkward Navy Marines when he announced his Islam, he actually said the the kalama he became a Muslim really, when he went to his people, he said I became a Muslim. But then they pressured him, and he turned back. But it did work to preserve him created the urgency. So you have to create the urgency. And sometimes people think when I say create the urgency means force people. Now, first of all, we'll at least I can speak for the United States, you can't force anybody to do anything they don't want. They will tell you, you know, in French, also, how what they feel about you. And if you don't understand French don't use
sign language also. So you can force anyone to do anything. You can encourage, we don't pressure as a Dahlia, you have to feel these things. If you feel someone, you pushing someone too hard, then don't. If you feel that they're just saying this to get you out of their face, then you're doing something wrong. And it happens a lot.
With brothers don't read into that, because they want the headcount, they want to come at the end of the day. So how many shots did you get? I got 505 shala, your beginner.
I got nine.
Hello, we've seen that. So the point is, you create the urgency, I'm gonna give you one illustration. Basically, there was some kind of event we had to give a speech to non Muslims. At the end, they brought me this, this young woman, and they said she wants to become Muslim. But then I had to check everything with her right? belief in Allah subhanaw taala, the Prophet sallallahu sallam, the four pillars, meaning the other four, right? Everything was 100%. So I told her, Well, you have the ingredients of a Muslim, so I had to go for that. Gold says we want you to become Muslim right now. She said, No. I want to take my time. I said, Well, I mean, you have the
ingredients of a Muslim one is to it now. She said, I need more time. So now I have to now I'm negotiating. I said, Well, how much time do you need? She said, two months. So I said two months is too long. That's all I said. I didn't push. I just said two months too long. So then look what she said. Now, All I said was just two months too long. She said, okay, the end of the week, and it was a Wednesday. So that's two days. So she went from two months to two days by herself. So then I said, Well, actually, let me try one more time, no harm. It's Wednesday today. And what's gonna happen Thursday, Friday, let's do it now.
So she said, No, I'll come to your Islamic Center. I'll do it Friday, after the class in Sharla.
I said, Okay. I mean, if there's, there's nothing else I can say to convince you. And she said, No. One shall confirm Fridays when I'll do it. I said, Okay, that I'll tell you what, that's fine. We'll see you on Friday. We'll just do me a favor. From now until Friday. Please wear your seatbelt and drive very carefully, and don't die.
She said, Oh, you're scaring me. I said, Well, I'm sorry. But that's how it works. I mean, the Angel of Death doesn't say, Well, she has a Friday appointment. Saturday, we'll come to her in Sharla. That's not how it works. So I told her a lot of people, they're interested in Islam and they die. I mean, I'm just being Frank here, we're creating the urgency. So a lot of people die before they become.
So just be careful, drive carefully, don't die until Friday, and I walked away. So I get in my car, I'm driving home, they called my cell phone. They said the one of the sisters, he took his Shahada and hungry.
So the urgency doesn't mean you force anybody or pressure anybody. But a lot of times people say Oh, hold on, take the rest of your life. Have a nice life. No, say, Look, I'm going to give this to you. And I've been doing this for a while. I know you're going to probably take it put it somewhere at home, you're not going to read it you you're going to be diverted with so many other things. So make sure you read it. Make sure you don't procrastinate. And one time I took a ride with one person I told him Don't procrastinate so many times that at the end of the journey, he was convinced that he was going to be honest, he was sure. And he would tell me things like yeah, I'll become some right
after I read the forum.
Anyways.
I mean, I don't want to take up too much time. We just stop. Yeah.
15 minutes
or so then we'll stop. There's a lot more butter column hamadryas COVID main. We'll see if there any questions, preferably easy ones, concerning Tao and Shawn.
Action. All right. So the brothers saying what if the person doesn't believe in God? What do you do? Obviously you can't build you have to establish that there is a God before you can move forward.
There are many different ways to tackle the atheist. And just want to say right now that the atheist is not
Difficult to talk to a lot of people are so afraid of the atheist. And the atheist would have you believe that they're that they're scientific and rational. And you're irrational because you believe in a being that you have not seen or so on and so forth. But of course, not everything that you believe in is things that you have seen, or things that you have seen with your own eyes, because there's also mental seeing, right? How many of us right now in this room have seen their brain?
Nobody? Okay, we usually there's one or two who had a CT scan or some kind of scan, and they saw their brain, they're like, got hungry, lots there. Right.
But the rest of us who haven't seen our brain, we're very confident that we have one. How do we know it, we don't need to see it or touch it or hear it or anything we know for sure we have one. Because we know now logically that you we wouldn't be surviving without one, your heart wouldn't be you wouldn't be able to see or speak or anything or your lungs wouldn't move, you wouldn't be surviving. So I don't need to see my brain at all. Because it's like I can see it mentally. No pun intended. So
the atheist then, one of the things is to set the agreement with them that I'm not going to show you anything. A lot of times they'll ask me, are you going to show me something? Who would you expect that I now get a long pole and open a window and in the heavens or something and show you angels ism? No, I'm not going to show you anything I'm going to show I'm going to show you through mental seeing. Now. Just very quickly, to answer your question, if you don't have time with for the atheist, give him a copy of the Quran. Quran is unbelievably powerful, very, very powerful with the atheist, but I would suggest you give it to him with some directions on how to read the Quran. And
that, you know, you tell them, that they're not just going to go and start looking for flaws and trying to be you know, any dishonest in reading the Quran that you tell him, you read it. And you know, you will find that there are no flaws or discrepancies or contradictions in it. And you're not going to a discrepancy isn't something that disagrees with your However, that's not how you fault the Quran, and understand it within its context and so on and so forth. That's one way.
Another way is you can prove the obviously you can talk a little bit about the Quran
about how no human being could have written the Koran. Some of the things you could mention are, for example, grammatical style. What else? Yeah. Anything? What else could you use about copper? And that would show that no human being could have written it.
Okay, there's some of the science in the Quran is sir.
There is absolutely no contradiction, no Koran. What else? prophecies and things talking about the future in the Koran such as
whatever to Rome that the Romans will be defeated after an odd number of years.
Like the history, you know, there's history in the Koran. Alright, excellent. So then you can talk about it. And from that point of view, or you know, what, is something so powerful, you could just recite it. And there's so many people who have done this, but I would love maybe someone here could do that, you know, maybe your team should
bring a non Muslim in the room and just recite, let's say advocacy and then ask them what do you what do you think they felt there's a brother who did that he would bring non Muslim to sit them down and just recite it will lie and they don't know a word of Arabic. One of them said to him, You reciting the Word of God. And I think it's talking about the attributes of Allah.
Okay, let me say that one more time, you people who were not amazed, I'm going to say one more time pretend your image, okay. He's, this is my first time to say he said to him, I think you were reading the Word of God. And you it was saying something about the attributes of Allah.
Okay, I think it's a long night. So anyways, so so basically the atheist is not difficult to talk to sometimes for fun, I just love to enjoy my time with the atheist. I'll say well, how do they come into existence? And so what do they have to fall back on? They have to what is it
the Big Bang Theory they have to
so then he'll say the Big Bang Theory then I'll pretend like theory you know the theory is by the way it's not like fact it's not like proven or it can be tested with an experiment it's just you know, scientific guess its assumption you can base your whole life on assumption a lie they just look down out of shape. But it's sorry I need to make it long winded but
the bottom line is this don't reinvent the wheel there's so much that has been entered by Muslims on the internet on how to talk to the atheist just read it once and then and then go from there inshallah.
Allah tala Tanada.
So the sister also says that I didn't know how to start or bring up the topic of Islam. It's actually harder
To get started, then I thought how do you bring up the topic for the first time? You know, there are so many ways you can bring up the topic. Just from, from the weather, you can move straight if you wanted to, from the weather, you can move straight to Islam. From the name introduction, you can move straight to this now. And what's your name? Jonathan or Jonathan, come on. Come on. Let's learn. It's an Arabic name. So Muslim nim, originally from Sudan, anything about Islam.
Sudan is, you know, this percent Muslim and I think about a snap, boom, we were talking about the weather. It's very hot today. Yeah, it's very hot. But it's hotter, where I'm from. It's Sudan. It's a country that's 80%. Muslim, anything about Islam. I mean, there's so many ways, there's so many ways we could talk about a certain food, and it could just go from there. So you will find your own ways. I'm telling you, don't ever wait for any speaker in the world to tell you this is how you start a conversation, you will find when you want it, you will find your ways. Just like when you want to complain. So sister, if you're married, the same way, any topic, you can bring up the topic
you want to bring so you can get to your husband. You're very creative. Yeah. So what's the topic that she wants to bring up to the husband?
and everything and that he, he always leaves the house, right? So husband says why don't we buy this new car, from this new car, she can make it about you always leave the house? Well, that's not a bad idea. We could buy that car. And you know, something put on your shoes right now and go to the dealership to look at it because you're always leaving the house anyways. So go and leave now and go see. So 1,000,001 was just like you can bring up a topic that's bothering you, and find a way to bring it up. I'm sure my wife now I tell her you know, I love bananas. Yes. But from bananas, we go straight to something that I don't want to talk about. The same way you can be creative, when you
really want something, you can be creative, and bring your own ways of mentioning Islam without being too forceful and too like abrasive or anything like that sort.
And
take one more or
less we'll take the last question. There is a
type the question basically was how do you give Dawa to to the Muslims who left or people who left Islam and became Christian or became what have you know,
off the top of my head? Well, RLM, it seems like to some degree, I mean, you're going to approach them in a way that's similar that a Muslim who became a Christian, you in somewhat, it's going to be similar to how you approach a Christian except that now you have their background and whatever it is. Now, a couple of things their background, could be to your advantage could be, or their experience could be to your disadvantage. So they might have like some experience that has nothing to do with Islam, that make them hate Islam, or, you know, when we were in Muslim countries, the Muslims did this to us. A lot of people from Iran have this problem. We always meet a lot of people
from Iran in the US, and the other they become atheist, or they became Christian. Why? Because you know, in our country, this is how they shove it down our throat. So their experience could be working against you, or their background could be working for you. Because the strongest thing, the strongest thing we have is the concept of toe hate, because it's very strong. And it makes a lot of sense. It's so easy for any human being on the planet, to accept and to digest this concept, you know, and so any Muslim that moves from Islam to Christianity, I mean, for sure, he never really understood it. Or there's some other factors. And I'll reference this one time, this family called
me up and they said that
their daughter, their oldest daughter became a Christian. And so they want me to go and talk to her. And this is the on top of that. They said, this is the last time ever, she's going to talk to a Muslim. This is the last time she just we begged her, he's I'll talk to him, but I'm not talking to any Muslim after that. I'm a Christian. That's the end of the story. That's a lot of pressure on me, and I can't work magic and a lot of people expect magic. Oh, we'll get that foolish man who does the Shahada workshop he must know how to do No, it's not magic.
The problem is, on top of that, all this added pressure, she brings the head of her church to the gathering as well. So now I have to debate him and give her the hours work. So and it's hard because especially when there's a debate, people don't listen anymore. They take sides, she's going to be on his side against me. So I said the only way is I'm going to look at my strength, which is still hate, and their weakness, which is Trinity, which doesn't make sense. No one can understand it. So the first question when we sat down, I asked the man so how does Trinity work? He saved me a lot of time. He said,
Well, no one really knows how it works. He saved me time, because usually they try to explain it to you and then you coordinate them accordingly.
Until you look, we don't know, he saved a lot of time. He said, No one knows how it works. So okay, then why would Allah reveal something that doesn't make sense to you? And tell you, it's the only way to salvation? Does that sound fair?
This unfair at all is really, really unfair. And it's like someone telling you, and the only way for you to, you know, to leave this message is if you fly up in the air, that well, we can't fly. So how can you link this to that? So if you tell someone that the only way to salvation is to understand this concept that doesn't make sense to people? What kind of sense does that mean? So then ask them the second question. I said, which of the two is easier on your mind, and easier on your heart, the Islamic concept of one god that's indivisible, and so on, and so forth, or the Trinity, that's three gods in one. If they're physically separate, yet, there's still one, one of them dies for three
days, instead of being two, there's still one, which of these is easier. And in front of the girl, he said, I quote him, the one that is intellectually satisfying is the Muslim version. So in this was a case where the the nanny, I know what the I could use to my advantage, which is the concept of the head makes a whole lot of sense. I mean, but you're going to have to,
the wise thing would be to find out what caused them to move on. And that's why when I sat with this girl, I told her brothers just try to keep the man away from me for a few minutes, so I could try to talk to her. So the first question, I asked her on a scale of one to 10, how much do you want to find the truth?
I really didn't care what number she gave me. If she said one, or three, or 10. It's all the same, it means she wants to find the truth. And if she said, I already have the truth, I know what I'm dealing with. And she actually said, I have the truth. So now I know what I'm dealing with. But it would be very foolish to just go without finding out what was the breaking point? What made them move on to that. So I would suggest first, you gather some information from them, basically, by asking them, you know, what made you leave Islam, you know, first of all, where you were even practicing, did you know the Quran? So then you can say, Well, you know, you really didn't know
Islam. So I, you know, you don't criticize because this girl, can you believe had the audacity to mention Jihad to me. She had the audacity to say this, it will you know, in passing, she said, Oh, and this whole Jihad issue. Yes, Allah.
You've become a Christian. And now you want to sound like them. And you're telling me this Jihad issue? I told her Really? So don't use this tactic, but let her have a little bit. So I told her Listen, you telling me about Jihad and killing? What group of people have killed more human beings on earth than any other group? And what religion do they pertain to?
Okay, my apologies to the Australian Government.
But it's Christians who've been killing people more than any other group.
Look what they did to African Americans with the eradicated the Native Americans Look what they did to each other. They the Spanish Inquisition, the Protestants and the Catholics and Protestants butchering each other over the years and you have the audacity to mention Jihad to me
last year that brainwashed now So anyways, so find out investigate find out what caused them to leave how much they knew what it's done before and what convinced them of the other faith attack that only So for example, if she said it's just the fact that Jesus died for my sins then my whole focus would be the Hey nobody died for your sins. So whatever is the main thing that led them to the other faith that convinced them you attack that the main thing that made them leave Islam while people were rude? Explain that. And is there any there is no formula just go from there? We'll have tada Adam, I apologize for taking so long. But I would like to thank you for being an excellent
audience. And I'd like to thank the share and thank everybody for any for the for the great dinner and for the hospitality. And maybe I'm just a guest but so far, I'm loving Melbourne so much. I just want to find any excuse to move here, you know, and then after a few weeks, you guys will be looking to go back to America.
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